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00:00:10 | nsauzede | but hear: if doing 1-pixel resolution graphics, pixels would sometime be 'swallowed' |
00:00:18 | merwin- | *ahem* as i was saying... 1.3 is just around the corner |
00:00:27 | nsauzede | anyway, it's worth to try :) |
00:00:37 | pimlottc | yeah but it's not liek you're losing resolution |
00:00:49 | nsauzede | right.. |
00:01:00 | pimlottc | and if you were doing animation it would only be swallowed for a moment so it wouldn't look too bad |
00:01:17 | nsauzede | the worst case now, for my fly simulation, for example, is when the cursor (fly) which is 2x2, |
00:01:39 | nsauzede | passes at the cross of 4 cells; |
00:01:52 | nsauzede | then, it becomes something like a bat... :) |
00:02:00 | pimlottc | right |
00:02:10 | nsauzede | not bad, indeed 8) |
00:02:35 | pimlottc | whereas with the gaps counted it would just be a single dot |
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00:02:43 | nsauzede | what I imagined, would be do render some rockbox logo rotating, at bootup :) |
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00:03:47 | nsauzede | zagor ? |
00:04:42 | pimlottc | anyway what I was originally thinking was to use it to do smooth horizontal scrolling |
00:04:55 | Zagor | nsauzede: what? |
00:05:01 | nsauzede | zagor: may I post the gamebox player-game or forget it ?? |
00:05:09 | pimlottc | in which case you _have_ to consider the gaps otherwise when you first shift them over the letters will be touching |
00:05:19 | Zagor | nsauzede: heck, post it. it's a free world! ;) |
00:05:20 | nsauzede | pim: that's right, I've to test that feature.. |
00:05:22 | Hadaka | do text-adventures on player ;) |
00:05:29 | Zagor | besides, I want to test it... |
00:05:46 | nsauzede | zagor: I don't wanna spoil rockbox attention/bandwidth/nerves ;) |
00:05:53 | pimlottc | hadaka - heh I was thinking that too... I was playing the java hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy game yesterday |
00:06:02 | nsauzede | (I know Linus, you and others are very busy now) |
00:06:03 | Hadaka | ooh, now that is a fine game indeed |
00:06:32 | Silly_Fly | zagor : did you look at my game? I really like it, and I'd hate changing the games menu every time a new firmware comes out..... |
00:06:38 | pimlottc | hadaka - we had it years ago when it was first out... but the disk went bad and we never got it fixed |
00:06:50 | pimlottc | (all we had to do was mail it to infocom with $5 heh) |
00:06:51 | Zagor | nsauzede: don't worry. there can never be too many patches! |
00:07:02 | Hadaka | I had it on the macintosh |
00:07:33 | Hadaka | it was made for MacOS 1.1g - and it still ran on 6.07 atleast |
00:07:37 | nsauzede | zagor: well, talking about patches, I wonder if I haven't introduced some bad regarding USB.. :/ |
00:07:54 | nsauzede | zagor: with my USB icon player patch |
00:08:11 | pimlottc | infocom was way ahead of its time with the zmachine |
00:08:29 | Zagor | nsauzede: did we apply it? |
00:08:49 | nsauzede | yes, jheiner IIRC |
00:08:58 | merwin- | what about jheiner IIRC? |
00:09:00 | merwin- | that's me |
00:09:13 | Zagor | nsauzede: what was bad about it? |
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00:09:21 | merwin- | nsauzede: it works fine |
00:09:27 | nsauzede | merwin; maybe you can |
00:09:37 | nsauzede | −−- restart. |
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00:09:45 | merwin- | nsauzede: ? |
00:09:49 | nsauzede | merwin,zagor: I made a pacth, |
00:10:01 | nsauzede | merwin,zagor: to display/sweep USB icon in Menu, |
00:10:20 | nsauzede | merwin,zagor: but to do that, I copy/pasted code from other source, |
00:10:35 | nsauzede | merwin,zagor: and I wonder if I didn't mess here.. |
00:10:36 | merwin- | nsauzede: i edited the source code and cleaned it up before i put it in |
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00:10:45 | merwin- | nsauzede: there were a few minor errors |
00:11:08 | nsauzede | merwin,zagor: not much more ? |
00:12:20 | nsauzede | especially these : |
00:12:25 | nsauzede | usb_acknowledge(SYS_USB_CONNECTED_ACK); |
00:12:25 | nsauzede | usb_wait_for_disconnect(&button_queue); |
00:12:37 | nsauzede | was it necessary ? |
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00:13:00 | | Nick merwin- is now known as merwin (merwin@1Cust148.tnt8.new-orleans.la.da.uu.net) |
00:13:47 | merwin | nsauzede: yeah, it was necessary |
00:14:25 | nsauzede | but look : |
00:14:56 | nsauzede | before my patch, menu was not accounted in USB-aware threads ? |
00:15:04 | merwin | nsauzede: you need to acknowledge the usb |
00:15:35 | nsauzede | and not only sneak detect it (to update icons ?) |
00:15:55 | merwin | nah, this way works |
00:16:37 | nsauzede | ok |
00:17:28 | nsauzede | well, I'm about to make a patch for gamebox (player game) and player bitmap-demo, for those interested ;) |
00:18:31 | nsauzede | BTW, does anyone know how to update all my cvs dirs in one time ?? (withoyt shellscripting :) |
00:18:53 | merwin | nsauzede: go into the rockbox dir and do cvs update -dP |
00:19:22 | merwin | it'll recursively update all of the rockbox folders that you have checked out |
00:19:43 | nsauzede | even if there isn't a CVS dir there ? (at rockbox root) |
00:19:53 | merwin | yeah... works for me at least |
00:19:55 | merwin | try it out |
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00:20:36 | nsauzede | ok.. |
00:21:19 | lohap-catchingup | h/nick lohap |
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00:21:30 | nsauzede | zagor : thx for ISDX00 dsheets ! |
00:21:57 | lohap | woo kernel has downloaded well ages ago it did how you extrect a gz.bz2 in bash tar -?? |
00:22:21 | lohap | sorry tar.bz2 |
00:22:26 | Zagor | nsauzede: no problem (i hope! ;) |
00:22:48 | Zagor | lohap: tar xjf (j instead of z) |
00:22:49 | lohap | i love linux so easy do everything when your a newbie |
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00:24:09 | lohap | lol so install the kernel do i do a ./configure then make then make install |
00:24:24 | nsauzede | watsup ?? spam ? |
00:24:47 | merwin | i think there's a make menuconfig somewhere |
00:24:48 | Zagor | lohap: no. run "make menuconfig" to configure. there's quite a lot of options... |
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00:24:59 | * | merwin hasn't compiled a kernel in about 3 years |
00:25:08 | lohap | herm sound fun and hard as well sorry about all the questions |
00:25:24 | lohap | do i need to be su |
00:25:27 | merwin | I wish there was a way to boot linux off of the archos |
00:25:33 | merwin | lohap: prolly |
00:26:26 | lohap | Unable to find the Ncurses libraries. |
00:26:29 | lohap | boll-x |
00:26:39 | lohap | find the package on the inet again lol |
00:26:50 | merwin | boll-x :-) |
00:26:51 | Silly_Fly | it's prolly not the place to ask this question, but I have linux, and the window manager (or xview, or whatever you call it's gui) won't load....... |
00:27:04 | Silly_Fly | it just stays in the console mode... |
00:27:29 | merwin | Silly_Fly: as long as there's no other rockbox conversation going on, i can't see why it isn't the right place to at least ask :) |
00:27:30 | lohap | lern to love the console lol |
00:27:40 | merwin | x-windows is a pain in the ass sometimes |
00:28:36 | Silly_Fly | merwin : but it's still easier to surf the net, or just plain multi-tasking, when you have a gui......... |
00:28:57 | Silly_Fly | so, any idea what's wrong with my linux? (or me..??) |
00:29:53 | nsauzede | BTW, could someone tell me what 'lol' stands for ? (I know what it means, though :) |
00:30:26 | nsauzede | lot of laughs ? |
00:30:30 | lohap | laughing out loud |
00:30:39 | nsauzede | thx :) |
00:31:04 | lohap | i love mandrake how it install all the lib you would ever need lol boll-x |
00:31:29 | Silly_Fly | boll-x????? |
00:31:54 | lohap | well replace the - with an o |
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00:32:25 | lohap | its an english swear word although in the usa or else wear it may not be used |
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00:33:53 | Zagor | hi hardeep |
00:33:56 | nsauzede | zagor: I wondered why in the apps/Makefile, TARGET is hardcoded.... ??? can't it be set at runtime via tools/configure ? |
00:34:00 | merwin | hey hardeep |
00:34:07 | hardeep | heya |
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00:34:27 | merwin | lohap: that's not really how you spell it though, is it? |
00:34:47 | Zagor | nsauzede: actually, it is. the statement in apps/Makefile has no effect |
00:34:48 | nsauzede | hi hardeep.. |
00:34:51 | merwin | lohap: it's only used in your country :) |
00:34:59 | hardeep | the id3 faq isn't quite correct... |
00:35:06 | merwin | we in the states find it kind of funny... |
00:35:19 | hardeep | even if the information we care about is in the first 300 bytes, the id3v2 is skipped if it's larger then 300 |
00:35:43 | lohap | merwin im lazy lol |
00:35:57 | merwin | lohap: One thing that I've found kind of funny is that the USA will allow a movie called "Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me" ... Even though the term isn't from the states, it's still pretty offensive :) |
00:37:26 | lohap | i love how in one usa program i forget which one it was there was an irish man and he said what a twat which is offensive in the uk but not in the usa and it aired in the usa lol |
00:38:25 | merwin | lohap: it seems that happens alot.. apparently we only care if it's offensive usa slang, not english slang |
00:39:57 | lohap | well in the uk owt can be shown i find it funny how the usa version of mtv dosnt alow t-shirt logo's like nike but the uk version of mtv allows them as well as people drinking beers |
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00:41:10 | merwin | yeah |
00:41:25 | Silly_Fly | do button clicks stored in a buffer (like for getch(), it'll return a char even if it was pressesd long ago, as long as the buffer isn't cleaned)? |
00:41:48 | merwin | Silly_Fly: yeah, but we're usually polling for buttons |
00:41:55 | lohap | jesus i got make menuconfig working now what the h-ll do i do |
00:42:07 | merwin | configure it? |
00:42:08 | merwin | :) |
00:42:14 | Silly_Fly | if there a procedure for clearing the buffer? |
00:42:40 | merwin | Silly_Fly: have a loop that reads the button buffer until it returns 0 |
00:42:44 | merwin | false |
00:42:46 | merwin | whatever :) |
00:43:01 | lohap | what should i add here cant i just add everything |
00:44:45 | merwin | lohap: add what you have |
00:44:56 | merwin | and if you don't know what it is, go with the recommended |
00:45:11 | lohap | right and that sdounds so easy isnt there a config file from my kernel at the mo |
00:46:25 | merwin | nope |
00:46:27 | merwin | not that i know of |
00:46:37 | nsauzede | anyone: when doing : cvs diff -ub, is it possible to manually edit the diff ?? (ie: stripping nonsense changes) without breaking linecount, etc.. ?? |
00:47:11 | merwin | not sure |
00:47:48 | Zagor | nsauzede: you can edit out complete sections but not single lines in a section |
00:48:12 | nsauzede | merwin: I want to produce a patch of the player-game, but don't want to distribute my personal garbage in menu.. :/ |
00:48:37 | merwin | nsauzede: that's a hard one to get around. what player game is it? |
00:48:46 | nsauzede | gamebox |
00:48:50 | merwin | what's that |
00:48:52 | nsauzede | by Psyco Dedman |
00:49:09 | nsauzede | sort of Diamond Mines |
00:49:16 | nsauzede | (player runs in a maze) |
00:49:16 | merwin | i don't remember that one |
00:49:19 | merwin | ahhh |
00:49:29 | nsauzede | simple, but rather cool to see |
00:49:42 | Zagor | well, i'm going to be. |
00:49:48 | Zagor | tomorrow is 1.3 day! |
00:49:52 | merwin | Zagor: really? woo! |
00:50:05 | merwin | Zagor: it's confirmed 100% now that the skip prob is fixed... |
00:50:11 | nsauzede | (especially for player users, who don't have the luck to play with recorder games) |
00:50:12 | Zagor | unless someone finds new and nasty bugs :) |
00:50:19 | nsauzede | heh |
00:50:20 | Zagor | merwin: goodie |
00:50:24 | Zagor | night! |
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00:50:25 | merwin | that makes me happy |
00:51:00 | merwin | Part of me wants to get a recorder... but then i know if i do that, I'll stop coding for the player, which really needs improvements :) |
00:51:21 | nsauzede | same for me :) |
00:51:29 | nsauzede | so what to do ?? :) |
00:51:54 | Silly_Fly | *snuff* i really really wanted my game to make it to rockbox... (plus I really think it deserves to) |
00:52:27 | Silly_Fly | but, I guess I would stay the only one to enjoy a classic snake on jbr....... |
00:52:47 | nsauzede | silly: what you mean ? |
00:52:57 | nsauzede | silly: want to port it to player ? |
00:53:10 | merwin | snake on the player? not possible :) |
00:53:14 | Silly_Fly | no.... for the recorder....... |
00:53:26 | nsauzede | merwin: yes, it's possible ! |
00:53:32 | lohap | crap how do i find which version of raid i am using |
00:53:34 | lohap | barr |
00:53:43 | merwin | are you using raid? |
00:53:48 | lohap | yea |
00:53:51 | merwin | damn :) |
00:53:58 | nsauzede | merwin: I've got a framework to get a 14x20 bitmap screen on player |
00:54:01 | Silly_Fly | though I'll try to make one, once you upload the demo (where are you going to upload it anyway?) |
00:54:04 | lohap | why you say that |
00:54:19 | merwin | nsauzede: really? expensive? |
00:54:30 | nsauzede | silly: I'm making the patch.. |
00:54:46 | nsauzede | merwin: nope, fluid; but restrictions apply.. |
00:55:03 | merwin | nsauzede: ? |
00:55:10 | merwin | lohap: http://www.winnetmag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=218 |
00:55:11 | nsauzede | merwin: we had a discussion about this, especially about the nasty inter-cell gap |
00:55:14 | merwin | lohap: definitions of raid |
00:55:17 | * | pimlottc grins |
00:55:34 | merwin | nsauzede: that'll add one more #define to the code, won't it? :) |
00:55:44 | nsauzede | heh ? |
00:56:16 | merwin | nsauzede: easy to insatll this new lcd you think? |
00:56:24 | pimlottc | nsauzede - so you are integrating it with rockbox? |
00:56:55 | Silly_Fly | merwin - he's using the original screen |
00:57:15 | Silly_Fly | merwin - just using the 8 charcells to simulate graphics... |
00:58:00 | nsauzede | silly: thk you to respond while I'm diffing ;-) |
00:58:25 | merwin | really??? simulating a bitmap screen? now THAT is nice, but there's only 4 configurable characters, right? |
00:58:55 | pimlottc | 4 or 8 depending on model (according to the site) |
00:59:36 | nsauzede | new screens have 8 |
00:59:54 | nsauzede | LCD specs talks about custom cells 0 to 7 |
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01:00:03 | lohap | right i have done the config no what do i do |
01:00:04 | nsauzede | .. and it works :) |
01:00:14 | merwin | lohap: dunno |
01:00:42 | lohap | thanks for http://www.winnetmag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=218 |
01:00:45 | merwin | nsauzede: but there's 22 characters on the screen, that doesn't add up |
01:01:06 | nsauzede | merwin : ?? |
01:01:11 | pimlottc | yeah you don't get the full screen to play with |
01:01:31 | lohap | i need the usb to ata bridge thing dont i |
01:01:38 | merwin | lohap: yup |
01:01:45 | pimlottc | although you could do 8x1 cells and use the double height |
01:01:46 | nsauzede | right, only 2x4 cells used for bitmap; the rest is used to display game scrore :) |
01:01:49 | pimlottc | that's the closest to full screen |
01:01:57 | merwin | you only get part of the screen for a bitmap.. of course, you could always have only the first line customizable |
01:02:05 | nsauzede | pim: nope, because double height divides Y res |
01:02:11 | pimlottc | I know |
01:02:17 | pimlottc | but for some things it would work |
01:02:23 | nsauzede | so pixels would be -UGLY_ :) |
01:02:28 | nsauzede | ie ? |
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01:03:04 | pimlottc | if you were making tetris or something blocky is not so much a problem :) |
01:03:08 | lohap | right now i have done make dep now what |
01:03:43 | pimlottc | make modules && make bzImage |
01:03:44 | nsauzede | pim: hey !! good idea !! I'll look into that ! |
01:04:16 | merwin | i NEED tetris on the player :) |
01:04:18 | merwin | heh |
01:04:22 | nsauzede | me too |
01:04:24 | pimlottc | of course for tetris 7 pixels of res isn't enough :/ |
01:04:26 | merwin | snake would be nice also |
01:04:28 | Silly_Fly | can you update only a part of the screen on the player? |
01:04:39 | nsauzede | yes |
01:04:48 | nsauzede | => fluid |
01:04:52 | merwin | you don't need double height for tetris, since it's a narrow shaft that the blocks fall down. you wouldn't need more than 8 cells |
01:05:14 | pimlottc | nod |
01:05:22 | nsauzede | 14x20 is really small for tetris |
01:05:30 | Silly_Fly | so can't you use those 8 chars over and over (each time on a different section of the screen) untill you cover the whole screen? |
01:05:34 | pimlottc | I just mean the double mode 'graphics' wouldn't work for tetris but for some games it might work |
01:05:52 | pimlottc | you could use pieces over but it would be tricky |
01:06:31 | merwin | i don't think it would be that tricky... divide the screen into a few sections, and if something needs to be updated in that section do the updating |
01:06:35 | pimlottc | you'd have to be very clever about your graphics to make it work well |
01:07:11 | nsauzede | wait: it's not possible ! |
01:07:14 | pimlottc | merwin - you mean paint one section, change the graphics and paint another? |
01:07:27 | merwin | pimlottc: yes |
01:07:32 | pimlottc | (sort of like a copper effect from the old demo days) |
01:07:37 | nsauzede | the 8 custom chars are global, u see ? |
01:07:42 | pimlottc | nod |
01:08:00 | pimlottc | I doubt it would work unless there is some sort of refresh you can check for |
01:08:01 | nsauzede | you can't paste into a section, change custom chars, then paste antoher one |
01:08:08 | merwin | nsauzede: you sure? |
01:08:13 | nsauzede | I tried :( |
01:08:14 | pimlottc | it would change the characters in the first section |
01:08:16 | merwin | nsauzede: i thought you just said that you could |
01:08:32 | nsauzede | look: it's the same as with VGA cards in 256 color mode |
01:08:39 | pimlottc | good analogy |
01:08:41 | nsauzede | palette is global for all pixels |
01:08:47 | nsauzede | thx :) |
01:08:49 | pimlottc | do you know what a copper effect is |
01:08:54 | merwin | pimlottc: nope |
01:09:06 | nsauzede | wait, indeed, in _theory_ it could be possible, |
01:09:09 | pimlottc | there was an old trick in the amiga/dos days |
01:09:13 | nsauzede | as in Amiga |
01:09:16 | pimlottc | right |
01:09:17 | nsauzede | YES ! |
01:09:19 | nsauzede | hahaha |
01:09:23 | pimlottc | you could make color gradiants in text mode |
01:09:24 | nsauzede | (bingo) |
01:09:32 | pimlottc | the way you do it is you set the character to one color |
01:09:41 | nsauzede | or even like the HAM (hold and modify) to get 4096 colors |
01:10:00 | pimlottc | then you wait for exactly the time it takes the CRT to draw one horizontal like (each character is 16 high) |
01:10:07 | pimlottc | then change it |
01:10:30 | nsauzede | pim: ready to design copper for player-LCD ;) |
01:10:33 | pimlottc | you have to be careful about timing but when it works you have multiple colors in a single character |
01:10:36 | pimlottc | well |
01:10:49 | pimlottc | it _might_ be possible |
01:10:56 | pimlottc | I don't know how lcds work |
01:11:03 | nsauzede | more seriously, I've done some tests with grayscale on my player, |
01:11:08 | pimlottc | and if they do work the same |
01:11:21 | nsauzede | and it nearly worked, but not as good as on my HP48 |
01:11:27 | pimlottc | you'd have to be able to find out when the refresh would occur |
01:11:56 | lohap | how long roughly does it take to build the kernal |
01:12:01 | lohap | kernel |
01:12:07 | nsauzede | all: does someone want to/can test the player game now ? |
01:12:14 | pimlottc | send it here |
01:12:15 | pimlottc | heh |
01:12:27 | pimlottc | so how do you do the greyscale |
01:12:37 | nsauzede | wait; look on the ML |
01:12:41 | merwin | nsauzede: dcc it to me or something :) |
01:12:52 | nsauzede | .. and tell me if it compiles fine |
01:13:02 | pimlottc | doh |
01:13:12 | pimlottc | I think I'm out of juice |
01:13:22 | merwin | nsauzede: you've tried grayscale? |
01:13:32 | nsauzede | greyscale: yes; easy : with my bitmap buffer framework, |
01:13:33 | pimlottc | I will have to finish setting up the cross compiler |
01:13:37 | pimlottc | haven't done that yet |
01:13:59 | nsauzede | greyscale: I use two arrays, then I display them alternatively, |
01:13:59 | merwin | nsauzede: nice... greyscale would be good for games |
01:14:28 | nsauzede | greyscale: then, two time-succesive black give black, |
01:14:36 | nsauzede | greyscale: then, two time-succesive white give white, |
01:14:42 | pimlottc | cool |
01:14:47 | nsauzede | greyscale: then, white black give gray |
01:14:51 | nsauzede | BUT, |
01:14:54 | merwin | oooh, does it actually display gray though? |
01:15:05 | nsauzede | it would be cooler on the recorder <gasp> |
01:15:11 | nsauzede | yes and no, |
01:15:20 | nsauzede | it's a contrast matter |
01:15:29 | pimlottc | nsauzede - once you add movement though... the grey might wash out |
01:15:41 | nsauzede | on HP48, you had to increase contrast a little.. |
01:15:58 | nsauzede | on archos, it's difficult to find compromise.. |
01:16:09 | nsauzede | But, I could get some pleasant result :) |
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01:16:26 | nsauzede | pim: u right, movement smoothens all :) |
01:16:59 | nsauzede | all: did u receive the player game on ML ? |
01:17:37 | nsauzede | I messed : |
01:17:47 | nsauzede | apps.zip should be : player.zip |
01:18:03 | * | pimlottc isn't subscribed yet |
01:18:20 | lohap | right the bzimage is created now what do i do |
01:18:40 | Silly_Fly | "there are no new messages on the server" |
01:18:57 | Silly_Fly | not that it matters..., I don't have a player anyway.... |
01:19:06 | nsauzede | ok |
01:19:22 | nsauzede | lucky you :) |
01:19:46 | Silly_Fly | I almost had... |
01:20:07 | nsauzede | all: who wanted to dcc get player-game ? |
01:20:17 | merwin | nsauzede: could you e-mail me a compiled mod of it? I want to try it out, but don't have time to patch it into mine jheiner@yahoo.com , new lcd |
01:20:25 | Silly_Fly | ordered one form funmp3players, but they said they're out of players, and don't intend to restock, as recorder is much better |
01:20:27 | merwin | nsauzede: i'd like a dcc of the mod file please :) |
01:21:01 | pimlottc | ditto |
01:21:26 | Silly_Fly | I want to look at the code..... |
01:21:36 | nsauzede | ok, ok don't rush :) |
01:21:42 | nsauzede | how do I do that ? |
01:22:02 | merwin | nsauzede: or an e-mail would work |
01:22:09 | pimlottc | /dcc send |
01:22:30 | nsauzede | broadcast ? |
01:22:40 | pimlottc | no you have to do it 1 by 1 |
01:22:55 | nsauzede | \/dcc send nick ? |
01:23:00 | nsauzede | right ? |
01:23:06 | pimlottc | ya it'll bring up a dialog box |
01:23:10 | pimlottc | to select the file |
01:24:13 | nsauzede | pim: start ? |
01:24:33 | nsauzede | cool |
01:24:36 | pimlottc | ah |
01:24:39 | nsauzede | irc rulez |
01:24:51 | * | pimlottc just switched irc clients a few days ago |
01:25:49 | nsauzede | BEWARE !!! |
01:25:55 | pimlottc | ? |
01:26:03 | nsauzede | my mod isn't a clean one to play with : |
01:26:19 | pimlottc | is it going to delete all my files? :P |
01:26:21 | nsauzede | don't use any other menu entry other than, |
01:26:26 | nsauzede | gamebox |
01:26:32 | nsauzede | and Gizz's demo |
01:26:33 | nsauzede | ok ? |
01:26:40 | pimlottc | ok on now |
01:26:41 | nsauzede | (especially USB stuff ;) |
01:27:01 | pimlottc | cool! |
01:27:02 | nsauzede | waiting for feedback.. |
01:27:06 | nsauzede | pim? |
01:27:32 | pimlottc | playing w/ the fly |
01:27:38 | nsauzede | noticed the bootup logo ?? I centered it a little (maybe Bjorn would like it) |
01:27:42 | Silly_Fly | nsauzed - I wanted the code (only for the game, if possible) I have no use of the .mod, as I have no player... |
01:27:52 | pimlottc | yes I noticed, nice |
01:27:55 | nsauzede | silly: u right, my fault.. |
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01:28:44 | Silly_Fly | got your mail, btw. is the code there too? |
01:29:02 | nsauzede | well, in the third attempt, yes ;o) |
01:29:03 | merwin | the gizz demo made it shut off |
01:29:12 | nsauzede | oh yeah... |
01:29:20 | nsauzede | don't repeat STOP :) |
01:29:26 | nsauzede | it's annoying, yes.. |
01:29:44 | pimlottc | is it just a maze |
01:29:46 | nsauzede | silly: I dcc send you the source |
01:29:52 | nsauzede | pim: yes |
01:29:53 | merwin | i won! yay! |
01:30:06 | nsauzede | made by someone else (the whole game) |
01:30:17 | nsauzede | yay ! you did it :) |
01:30:18 | pimlottc | menu goes down too |
01:30:24 | nsauzede | ? |
01:30:37 | pimlottc | hitting menu is the same as hitting down in the maze game |
01:30:51 | nsauzede | yes, side effect |
01:31:10 | pimlottc | yay! |
01:31:11 | pimlottc | heh |
01:31:21 | nsauzede | indeed, no, just to avoid shutting off with STOP, but you are clever |
01:31:22 | nsauzede | :) |
01:31:52 | nsauzede | I would like to add some options in the game, such as key/lock |
01:31:57 | nsauzede | easy nope ? |
01:32:02 | pimlottc | so do you have it completely abstracted |
01:32:04 | nsauzede | just array data feading |
01:32:09 | nsauzede | ? |
01:32:21 | pimlottc | the graphics |
01:32:29 | nsauzede | well, you mean API ? |
01:32:42 | pimlottc | can you just say 'putpixel(2,2)' or do you have to amange the characters yourself |
01:32:45 | nsauzede | sort of setpixel() cls() |
01:32:52 | nsauzede | first |
01:32:57 | nsauzede | hehe |
01:33:09 | nsauzede | silly has the source |
01:33:21 | nsauzede | oops silly_fly ;) |
01:33:33 | nsauzede | (too long nick for me) |
01:33:55 | nsauzede | source arrived on ML.. |
01:34:22 | pimlottc | not on the web page so faqr |
01:34:28 | pimlottc | -q |
01:35:01 | nsauzede | dcc you ? |
01:35:37 | pimlottc | sure |
01:35:41 | merwin | what does rolo now do? |
01:35:49 | nsauzede | hehe look: |
01:36:07 | nsauzede | I was tired un/plugging USB cable every 43 sec |
01:36:23 | nsauzede | so I managed USB to be manual, |
01:36:42 | nsauzede | and added a menu entry too rolo the fresh new mod |
01:36:48 | merwin | ahh |
01:36:49 | nsauzede | (I'm lazy) |
01:36:59 | pimlottc | nice |
01:37:58 | nsauzede | I can send you a sneak preview of my demo source if u xwant (going to sleep) |
01:38:01 | nsauzede | ?? |
01:38:21 | pimlottc | oh what did you send before |
01:38:30 | nsauzede | the game |
01:38:37 | nsauzede | not the demo with setpixel |
01:38:39 | PsycoXul | hmm |
01:38:40 | pimlottc | ya send :) |
01:39:30 | PsycoXul | heh |
01:39:45 | nsauzede | heya ! |
01:39:49 | PsycoXul | hi |
01:39:50 | nsauzede | psyco dedman ? |
01:39:52 | PsycoXul | yes |
01:39:57 | nsauzede | Wahow |
01:40:05 | nsauzede | were talking about gamebox ! |
01:40:06 | nsauzede | hehe |
01:40:16 | PsycoXul | heh |
01:40:31 | nsauzede | want to see my port of it ? |
01:40:32 | PsycoXul | i suppose i should do a better implimentation of that... |
01:40:37 | nsauzede | yes |
01:40:44 | nsauzede | but not bad anyway :) |
01:40:53 | PsycoXul | i meant to eventualy do one with level-loading support when we got disk reading |
01:40:57 | nsauzede | u can enhance my source, if u want |
01:40:58 | PsycoXul | and i haven't gotten around to it |
01:41:02 | pimlottc | oh did psycoxul make the game? |
01:41:09 | nsauzede | We _got_ disk readnig |
01:41:17 | nsauzede | (ie: MP3) |
01:41:23 | nsauzede | pim:yes |
01:41:23 | PsycoXul | yes i know... |
01:41:24 | PsycoXul | heh |
01:41:28 | nsauzede | haha |
01:41:39 | pimlottc | psyco - neat game :) |
01:41:45 | pimlottc | but it needs shooting |
01:41:51 | nsauzede | the same for sokoban, I suggest to the author he should load levels from disk |
01:42:03 | nsauzede | or even monsters :) |
01:42:22 | nsauzede | I also sugested adding key/lock block (to lock the exit) |
01:42:35 | nsauzede | should be easy to add new block type |
01:42:50 | PsycoXul | hmm |
01:42:52 | PsycoXul | yeah |
01:42:58 | nsauzede | easy nah ? |
01:43:01 | PsycoXul | something so that you can use all the keys in the game while you're playing... |
01:43:14 | PsycoXul | On can be the fire button heh |
01:43:28 | nsauzede | well, imagine ! |
01:43:30 | nsauzede | :) |
01:43:35 | nsauzede | want the demo ? |
01:43:43 | nsauzede | (going to sleep) |
01:43:50 | PsycoXul | you posted it to the list didn't you? i'll get it from there... |
01:43:55 | nsauzede | ok |
01:43:58 | nsauzede | bye all !! |
01:44:02 | PsycoXul | night |
01:44:02 | pimlottc | later |
01:44:38 | nsauzede | greyscales rulez !! |
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01:44:44 | pimlottc | hehe |
01:44:46 | PsycoXul | heh |
01:45:12 | PsycoXul | grayscales? we've only got 1 bit... heh |
01:45:19 | PsycoXul | oh well |
01:45:21 | pimlottc | he is flashing between black and white |
01:45:26 | PsycoXul | heh |
01:45:32 | pimlottc | twice the refresh time |
01:45:36 | pimlottc | but you get grey |
01:45:38 | PsycoXul | i see |
01:45:43 | PsycoXul | i thought about doing something like that |
01:45:45 | PsycoXul | hows it work? |
01:45:59 | pimlottc | you mean how does it look? |
01:46:04 | PsycoXul | yeah |
01:46:09 | pimlottc | dunno |
01:46:20 | PsycoXul | is he making something use it already? |
01:46:27 | pimlottc | the mod he sent was your game and his first pixel test |
01:46:37 | PsycoXul | i see |
01:48:25 | PsycoXul | hmm interesting how he's got it set up... |
01:48:50 | PsycoXul | i don't know that player-specific files need an apps/player dir... so far they've just gone in apps/ i think... heh |
01:49:35 | PsycoXul | haha |
01:49:35 | pimlottc | something is messed up though |
01:49:38 | PsycoXul | that old README |
01:49:47 | PsycoXul | pimlottc: ? |
01:49:59 | pimlottc | I was going thru the menus and the -> disappeared |
01:50:08 | pimlottc | and now the pixel test isn't working |
01:50:20 | pimlottc | had to power cycle |
01:50:25 | pimlottc | (rolo didn't fix it) |
01:50:27 | PsycoXul | hmm |
01:52:56 | PsycoXul | hmmm |
01:56:00 | PsycoXul | whats this gdemo.h thats not here |
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02:13:05 | merwin | PsycoXul: any luck on the experiment? |
02:13:15 | PsycoXul | which expiriment |
02:13:28 | merwin | the one you were explaining to me a couple days ago |
02:15:00 | PsycoXul | hmm |
02:16:08 | PsycoXul | oh that |
02:16:19 | PsycoXul | it did what i expected it to do - pretty much nothing |
02:16:51 | PsycoXul | but there's a variation on it that's much more likely to do something |
02:17:02 | PsycoXul | that i need to figure out how to make... it's somewhat more difficult |
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02:22:13 | PsycoXul | i think i need to do in 2 pieces somehow... |
02:22:51 | PsycoXul | the one piece is the most difficult part... |
02:23:48 | merwin | well, if it's going to change the world, expect it to take more than a week i guess :) |
02:30:58 | PsycoXul | it seems to just be alternating layers of paramagnetic and diamagnetic materials with an asymetrical electric charge [and thus no current should be able to go through it] |
02:31:07 | PsycoXul | and then a magnetic field |
02:31:16 | PsycoXul | all arranged in a specific manner |
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02:32:26 | PsycoXul | but its much easier to make it such that a current can get through [which is how the one i build is] |
02:33:04 | PsycoXul | with the diamagnetic material i'm using, i need to make its walls thinner so that it's not in contact with the diamagnetic material |
02:35:28 | merwin | see, that's over my head :) |
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02:35:53 | PsycoXul | nah its simple |
02:35:55 | alphawave | hey |
02:36:05 | PsycoXul | every material is magnetic... |
02:36:21 | PsycoXul | iron and some other elements are ferromagnetic, which is what most people know as magnetism |
02:37:00 | PsycoXul | aluminum, oxygen, and others are paramagnetic which means they line up with a magnetic field and are slightly attracted to either pole of a magnet |
02:37:51 | PsycoXul | while water, silicon, bismuth, carbon [graphite] and others are diamagnetic which means they line up opposite of a magnetic field and are slightly repelled by either pole of a magnet |
02:38:57 | PsycoXul | this effect is easily demonstrated with a small piece of some good graphite and some strong magnets by making the piece of graphite levitate over an arrangement of the magnets |
02:39:29 | PsycoXul | or also a small magnet placed over a bismuth or graphite plate and a larger magnet set a specific distance overhead will cause the smaller magnet to levitate over the plate |
02:39:57 | merwin | where did you graduate from? |
02:40:01 | pimlottc | heh |
02:40:02 | PsycoXul | with some extremely powerful electromagnet's, they've even levitated drops of water and even living frogs and crickets |
02:40:21 | PsycoXul | merwin: i have no college education |
02:40:41 | PsycoXul | i just research online and in books stuff that interests me, and i've always been interested in scientific stuff :p |
02:40:55 | merwin | heh |
02:41:05 | pimlottc | PsycoXul++ |
02:42:05 | PsycoXul | personaly i don't find established education centers to actualy be well designed to facilitate learning... |
02:42:50 | PsycoXul | but thats just my opinion :p |
02:43:50 | alphawave | hey merwin |
02:49:08 | merwin | heya alpha |
02:49:10 | merwin | sup |
02:50:33 | alphawave | nohing |
02:50:45 | PsycoXul | any of you know about molding low-temp-melting [i.e. 520F] metals in wood? |
02:50:52 | alphawave | did you get the mail on the game for the player? |
02:50:53 | merwin | PsycoXul: not a clue |
02:50:58 | merwin | alphawave: yup |
02:51:08 | PsycoXul | i guess its time for more research then :p |
02:51:09 | alphawave | can't wait! |
02:51:37 | merwin | :) |
02:51:44 | alphawave | >:) |
02:51:45 | merwin | it's a fun game, courtesy of PsycoXul i believe |
02:51:47 | alphawave | )))))) |
02:52:02 | alphawave | o youve tried it? |
02:52:55 | merwin | alphawave: yup |
02:53:06 | PsycoXul | i can't get it to compile... |
02:53:09 | PsycoXul | heh |
02:53:12 | PsycoXul | isn't that ironic? :p |
02:53:15 | merwin | PsycoXul: i had a mod sent to me |
02:53:18 | alphawave | cool do you have a mod with it in? |
02:53:24 | PsycoXul | i see |
02:53:27 | alphawave | can you send it to me? |
02:53:45 | alphawave | diddystar5@aol.com |
02:53:55 | PsycoXul | his patch to the list is missing files and stuff... |
02:54:11 | alphawave | o |
02:54:14 | PsycoXul | which i've probably got all the code laying around in my old original archive of that game to re-make for myself but heh |
02:54:36 | PsycoXul | i'll just rewrite it some time i think |
02:55:13 | PsycoXul | the collision detection doesn't use the best method... |
02:55:18 | PsycoXul | heh |
02:55:37 | pimlottc | I don't think collision detection was the point :) |
02:55:47 | alphawave | so how long will it be until it is in the daily's |
02:55:53 | PsycoXul | well no it wasn't .. heh |
02:56:05 | PsycoXul | the point was just to show that the player's perfectly game-capable |
02:56:28 | PsycoXul | the verticle/horizontal scrolling style was the main demonstration |
02:56:38 | pimlottc | that's the mod alpha |
02:56:53 | pimlottc | and the pixel demo too |
02:57:06 | PsycoXul | which pixel demo is that |
02:57:15 | PsycoXul | i haven't tried this new port yet |
02:57:20 | alphawave | thaks |
02:57:20 | pimlottc | nseuzarde or whatever his nick was |
02:57:28 | pimlottc | (don't remember heh) |
02:57:30 | PsycoXul | somebody send me this mod |
02:57:31 | pimlottc | here I'll dcc you |
02:57:53 | alphawave | thanks my mom is going online |
02:57:56 | pimlottc | btw he warned of doing anything besides the game demos with this mod |
02:58:03 | alphawave | i be on later |
02:58:03 | PsycoXul | heh |
02:58:05 | PsycoXul | ok |
02:58:08 | alphawave | bye!!!!! |
02:58:09 | pimlottc | later alpha |
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02:58:15 | * | merwin will be right back |
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02:59:34 | pimlottc | someone should change the topic :P |
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03:01:18 | PsycoXul | hah |
03:01:20 | PsycoXul | thats pretty cool |
03:08:42 | PsycoXul | blaaaah. |
03:08:48 | PsycoXul | usb lockup again... grrr |
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03:37:08 | PsycoXul | heh |
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03:39:26 | merwin|grr | damn shitty connection |
03:40:00 | PsycoXul | whats the matter, no cable/dsl in new orleans? |
03:40:13 | merwin|grr | not at this hotel |
03:40:17 | PsycoXul | oh :p |
03:40:18 | Jet8810 | heh |
03:40:24 | merwin|grr | just shitty dialup that dissconnects more often than not |
03:40:37 | Jet8810 | i was actually at a ritz ($75 a night haha...connections) and they had a network jack ! |
03:41:39 | merwin|grr | nice |
03:41:53 | Jet8810 | i know |
03:42:06 | Jet8810 | i dont have a laptop though, so of 0 use to me |
03:42:14 | Jet8810 | i want a laptop BAD though |
03:42:19 | Jet8810 | a fujitsu p1000 :) |
03:43:23 | * | Jet8810 issue is that if he gets a laptop, and then retires 3 year old desktop, hard drives, ram, ect are all overall more expensive and u;sing laptop every day can be aggravating (even yif you have a moniter, a small laptop like p1000 is awesome for carrying around, but not a full fledged computer) |
03:44:11 | PsycoXul | i want a pocket-sized device that can record and play streaming video and audio via wireless broadband [as well as local storage] etc |
03:44:15 | pimlottc | heh |
03:44:20 | pimlottc | why not the 2000 |
03:44:25 | Jet8810 | rofl |
03:44:32 | Jet8810 | i havent looked at 2000 |
03:44:38 | Jet8810 | 1000 caught my eye because of touch screen |
03:44:44 | Jet8810 | i could use that a lot in school to take notes |
03:44:49 | Jet8810 | only problem is LONG boot up time |
03:44:49 | pimlottc | true |
03:44:59 | merwin|grr | Jet8810: i love my laptop |
03:45:02 | Jet8810 | and teachers say, take out binders, copy this...give me 5 minutes...doesnt help |
03:45:05 | merwin|grr | Jet8810: it does everything |
03:45:36 | pimlottc | for a laptop shouldn't you just suspend to disk |
03:45:40 | pimlottc | or have you tried it |
03:45:44 | merwin|grr | i suspend to disk |
03:45:50 | Jet8810 | true |
03:45:52 | Jet8810 | that would work |
03:45:52 | merwin|grr | or hibernate rather |
03:45:56 | Jet8810 | and lastly, battery life |
03:46:03 | pimlottc | 2000 doesn't have the touch screen |
03:46:07 | Jet8810 | that is a pretty big issue if you really use it to take all your notes |
03:46:08 | Jet8810 | i konw |
03:46:16 | pimlottc | you said you hadn't looked heh |
03:46:22 | Jet8810 | hehe |
03:46:25 | Jet8810 | well i know it didnt |
03:46:28 | Jet8810 | which is why i looked at 1000 |
03:46:34 | pimlottc | now me I wanna see the 2000 |
03:46:40 | pimlottc | the 1000 is interesting though |
03:46:40 | Jet8810 | see, you can get small, then awesome to carry at school and around |
03:46:46 | Jet8810 | but not as good as a desktop replacement |
03:46:48 | Jet8810 | and a hassle |
03:46:52 | Jet8810 | or you can go vice versa |
03:46:58 | pimlottc | well |
03:47:04 | pimlottc | it's basically how you mean portable |
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03:47:47 | pimlottc | like the big ones it's easy to put in your briefcase or whatever and you can use it in your hotel room |
03:47:55 | * | PsycoXul is just waiting for the class of devices that things are just now starting to work towards |
03:48:10 | pimlottc | vs being really portable and you can quickly and easily use it any time any where |
03:48:15 | Jet8810 | like the A series is perfect computer and once in awhiel travel |
03:48:25 | Jet8810 | but if bringing it to school it is a whole different ball game |
03:48:38 | * | pimlottc nods |
03:48:56 | ddb | hi folks, I have a question about the configuration file for WPS... |
03:49:11 | pimlottc | the touchscreen is intriguing but I don't know how useful it really would be |
03:49:17 | merwin|grr | ddb: that would be my area |
03:49:25 | Jet8810 | then INTEGRATED LAN IS SLICK |
03:49:26 | Jet8810 | lol |
03:49:31 | PsycoXul | %pp/%pe %?%it/%ia%:%fn%? |
03:49:33 | pimlottc | one of those things you have to actually use for a while to figure it out |
03:49:34 | PsycoXul | thats mine! |
03:49:38 | Jet8810 | well for me pimlottc, NECCESSITY |
03:49:43 | Jet8810 | imagine writing notes in class |
03:49:46 | Jet8810 | need to draw a picture |
03:49:47 | ddb | hi, merwin, ya got a minute? |
03:49:50 | merwin|grr | PsycoXul: hehe |
03:49:51 | pimlottc | well |
03:49:57 | Jet8810 | there ya go, whole computer scheme taking notes in school is gone |
03:50:00 | pimlottc | what will you do it in, word? |
03:50:00 | merwin|grr | PsycoXul: I swear, it's worse than a perl script |
03:50:01 | Jet8810 | and i write pictures a lot |
03:50:04 | Jet8810 | yep |
03:50:09 | merwin|grr | ddb: yeah |
03:50:10 | Jet8810 | can draw right into word |
03:50:10 | PsycoXul | merwin|grr: nah... |
03:50:13 | * | pimlottc doesn't like word :| |
03:50:17 | Jet8810 | hehe |
03:50:20 | PsycoXul | merwin|grr: it's better than perl |
03:50:20 | PsycoXul | :p |
03:50:32 | pimlottc | directly or you mean you create a picture object and open it to edit... |
03:50:41 | ddb | ok, i created the wps.config file and put it in the root folder with the following entry>>> |
03:50:49 | Jet8810 | http://www.fujitsupc.com/www/products_notebooks.shtml?products/notebooks/photo_gal/gal_p1000_summer02 |
03:50:55 | Jet8810 | look at size difference of 1000 and 2000 |
03:50:58 | pimlottc | I've seen it |
03:51:07 | Jet8810 | well directly would be ideal |
03:51:09 | pimlottc | I've seen tons of pics of the 2000 and 1000 |
03:51:11 | Jet8810 | if not, paint would work |
03:51:12 | Jet8810 | not great though |
03:51:15 | pimlottc | (more the 2000) |
03:51:18 | Jet8810 | should work straight into word...right? |
03:51:25 | pimlottc | don't ask me, I don't use word |
03:51:31 | ddb | %pp/%pe: %fc - %fsKB |
03:51:46 | merwin|grr | ddb: that is correct format |
03:51:56 | ddb | it doesn't seem to recognize anything that I enter in that file...so what am I doing wrong? |
03:52:01 | Jet8810 | 2,000 probably a better idea though |
03:52:11 | pimlottc | anyway I agree mebbe if I use it I'll find all sorts of great ways to use the touchscreen and it'll be a great thing... but on the other hand mebbe it will just be kinda neat but not that useful |
03:52:15 | pimlottc | and you give up a lot vs the 2000 |
03:52:36 | pimlottc | if the 1000 were substantially cheaper than the 2000 I would consider it more seriously |
03:52:37 | merwin|grr | ddb: It's not yet a default feature, it has to be specified when it's compiled. What player do you have (old or new). I'll send you the firmware with it enabled |
03:52:40 | pimlottc | but they're basically the same price |
03:53:04 | Jet8810 | but the 1000 is much smaller too |
03:53:08 | pimlottc | heh |
03:53:16 | Jet8810 | hell, 2000 doesnt have built in floppy, but has built in cd rom lol |
03:53:18 | Jet8810 | thats pretty fun |
03:53:23 | Jet8810 | funny |
03:53:24 | ddb | I have the AJB6000 running with yesterday's daily build |
03:53:25 | pimlottc | built in dvd-rom/cd-rw |
03:53:32 | Jet8810 | yep |
03:53:34 | pimlottc | it has a higher resolution too |
03:53:46 | pimlottc | and more ram and is faster |
03:54:03 | merwin|grr | ddb: which daily build do you download? (player-old, or player) |
03:54:14 | ddb | player-old |
03:54:22 | merwin|grr | ok, just a sec. i'll compile it |
03:54:27 | Jet8810 | well 1000 is starting at $400 cheaper |
03:54:51 | merwin|grr | ddb: do you want me to dcc or e-mail it to you? |
03:55:09 | ddb | e-mail please...dbinder@optonline.net |
03:55:21 | * | pimlottc checks |
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03:55:44 | Jet8810 | S series kicks p2000s ass |
03:55:44 | Jet8810 | lol |
03:55:59 | pimlottc | s series is completely different :P |
03:56:04 | Jet8810 | hehe |
03:56:05 | Jet8810 | as thin |
03:56:08 | Jet8810 | same dimensions |
03:56:09 | pimlottc | guess you're right I thought they were only like #100 difference |
03:56:11 | Jet8810 | better hardware |
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03:56:23 | pimlottc | um |
03:56:26 | pimlottc | it's not the same dimensions |
03:56:35 | alphawave | hey merwin |
03:56:50 | Jet8810 | like an inch taller |
03:56:53 | Jet8810 | same thickness as 2000 |
03:56:54 | Jet8810 | lol |
03:56:55 | pimlottc | it's 11.5" x 9.3" |
03:57:08 | pimlottc | vs 9.1" x 6.3" |
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03:57:17 | pimlottc | that's almost twice as large :P |
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03:57:24 | pimlottc | (as the 1000) |
03:57:26 | alphawave | im impressed with the game |
03:57:46 | alphawave | its a bit awkward though |
03:57:49 | merwin | ddb: ok, it's sent |
03:58:03 | alphawave | can't wait for more levels! |
03:58:11 | merwin | ddb: it's in the general settings/wps settings/custom wps |
03:58:13 | Jet8810 | haa |
03:58:18 | Jet8810 | the warrantee stuff I want costs $500 |
03:58:18 | Jet8810 | ROFLMAO |
03:58:21 | merwin | ddb: then it'll display properly |
03:58:37 | alphawave | rotflmaoacs1 |
03:58:40 | alphawave | ! |
03:58:45 | merwin | acs? |
03:59:29 | alphawave | rotflmaoacs=rolling on the foor laughing my ass off and can't stop! |
03:59:30 | ddb | merwin, thanks, I'm checking my email right now... |
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04:00:02 | Jet8810 | thats the screen replacement thing though |
04:00:27 | alphawave | what screen replacment? |
04:01:08 | Jet8810 | screen repair twice in a one year period for three years (maybe two) no questions asked |
04:01:12 | Jet8810 | and two years warrantee |
04:01:17 | alphawave | damn |
04:01:19 | Jet8810 | yea |
04:01:26 | Jet8810 | 3 years warrantee, 3 year screen replacement |
04:01:28 | Jet8810 | come on, got to get that |
04:01:37 | Jet8810 | yea with all features, p2000 is $400 more |
04:01:41 | alphawave | i got a 4 year warrenty(even covers accsidents) at best buy! |
04:01:56 | Jet8810 | now to compare features |
04:01:56 | Jet8810 | heh |
04:02:46 | alphawave | compare features of what? |
04:03:12 | Jet8810 | god damnit |
04:03:16 | Jet8810 | p200 and p-1000 |
04:03:22 | Jet8810 | p1000 can get modem and ethernet |
04:03:27 | Jet8810 | or modem and lan |
04:03:36 | Jet8810 | not modem, lan and therenet, but p2000 can get all three |
04:03:37 | Jet8810 | hehehe |
04:03:40 | Jet8810 | this gets worse every minute :) |
04:03:52 | alphawave | my warrenty was only 40$ and guess what my standard warrntly expired one after my archos broke! thank god for best buy |
04:04:37 | Jet8810 | haha |
04:04:55 | Jet8810 | well see, if I want a laptop, I want it customized how I want it |
04:05:00 | Jet8810 | so i cant really do reatil |
04:05:01 | Jet8810 | retail |
04:05:07 | Jet8810 | yea p2000 definitely seems like the ticket |
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04:05:14 | alphawave | what about the apple power book? |
04:05:15 | Jet8810 | p1000 has less features, but is smaller and cheaper |
04:05:17 | ddb | merwin: got your email, thanks for all your help :-) |
04:05:21 | Jet8810 | im a windows man |
04:05:25 | alphawave | o |
04:05:29 | Jet8810 | ut i am going to look at dells and othe rlaptops now |
04:05:33 | alphawave | what brand? |
04:05:44 | Jet8810 | dell, umm |
04:05:45 | Jet8810 | who else? |
04:05:46 | Jet8810 | lol |
04:05:54 | alphawave | dell has the best brand repair history |
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04:06:30 | alphawave | compaq has good laptops |
04:06:46 | alphawave | i have had a hp and hated it |
04:07:25 | Jet8810 | dells are too expensive |
04:07:32 | Jet8810 | whats a good laptop site that sells laptops cheap? |
04:07:39 | Jet8810 | i remember one had a pretty good setup on jfujistu |
04:07:40 | alphawave | does vpr matrix make laptops? |
04:07:41 | Jet8810 | but lost url |
04:07:58 | merwin | Is def leppard 80's? |
04:08:07 | Jet8810 | huh? |
04:08:09 | alphawave | uhh |
04:08:11 | alphawave | ? |
04:08:17 | alphawave | i think so |
04:08:40 | merwin | alphawave: thanx |
04:09:11 | alphawave | btw: whats the rolo do? when i selected it i restarted my unit |
04:09:25 | Jet8810 | HAHA |
04:09:26 | Jet8810 | nice |
04:09:26 | merwin | alphawave: exactly :) It's meant to load alternate firmware |
04:09:32 | alphawave | ok |
04:09:32 | Jet8810 | laptopinc.com has cheap fujitsu |
04:09:37 | Jet8810 | only problem, NO SCREEN REPLACEMENT |
04:09:38 | alphawave | thats a good feature |
04:09:40 | merwin | alphawave: but in this case it's used to just load the same firmware, restart |
04:09:50 | alphawave | ok |
04:11:53 | alphawave | humm sometimes when i turn on my unit, it won't turn on, nothing happens are my batteries low on juice or what? |
04:12:22 | alphawave | and the green light comes on but thats all |
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04:13:44 | merwin | alphawave: no, usually i see that happen when i try to turn it on very quickly after turning it off |
04:13:50 | merwin | alphawave: it's not a battery thing |
04:14:06 | alphawave | ummk |
04:14:38 | merwin | it's easy mmmkay |
04:14:39 | merwin | :) |
04:15:23 | alphawave | :B |
04:17:15 | alphawave | o and what are the usb insert and usb extract in the games menu? |
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04:18:09 | merwin | alphawave: don't touch those :) |
04:18:32 | merwin | alphawave: it's for manually going to usb mode when inserting the usb cable |
04:18:59 | alphawave | oic |
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04:26:44 | alphawave | is the firmware loaded into the same chip as the song file? |
04:32:09 | merwin | ? |
04:32:12 | merwin | not sure |
04:33:59 | alphawave | reshearch that |
04:34:12 | merwin | look on the website :) |
04:34:16 | merwin | there's research there |
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04:37:46 | alphawave | humm getting close i think |
04:38:55 | * | merwin is going to slee[p |
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04:39:33 | alphawave | hey i found the max and min firware sizes! |
04:39:50 | merwin|SLEEP | alphawave: 50k and 200k (give or take a few k) |
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04:43:54 | alphawave | it appears on bjorn disecting the archos page, there is a 2mb flash rom and a 2mb fast page rom |
04:44:58 | alphawave | opps the fast page is dram |
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04:45:43 | alphawave | so i guess the rom is the built in firm |
04:45:58 | alphawave | and the fast page is the main firm and song |
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04:51:00 | hardeep | Hmmmm, I should try porting rogue to rockbox. It's all ascii so it should work on player as well. =) |
04:51:33 | pimlottc | heh you're nuts |
04:52:32 | pimlottc | but send me a build when you've got it working |
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06:34:00 | RedLeg | Greetings! |
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07:09:53 | LinusN | morning |
07:10:09 | mecraw | evening |
07:10:16 | LinusN | :-) |
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07:11:35 | mecraw | Linus: did you by any chance look at my shuffle/resume patch? |
07:12:17 | LinusN | i chased nasty ATA bugs all evening |
07:13:01 | mecraw | I just wasn't sure about finding the right place to put stuff in the rtc |
07:13:19 | LinusN | let me have a look, hang on... |
07:15:11 | LinusN | looks correct to me |
07:16:00 | mecraw | when i look at debug rtc, it looks like i could have put it a byte or 2 earlier |
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07:16:40 | LinusN | mecraw: hardly |
07:16:56 | LinusN | however, the comments are wrong |
07:17:09 | LinusN | offset 0x16 is not at 0x2b absolute |
07:17:15 | LinusN | it's at 28 |
07:17:28 | LinusN | sorry 2a |
07:17:36 | mecraw | maybe that's what threw me |
07:17:50 | mecraw | i'm far from being hex-literate |
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07:19:32 | mecraw | Wow! I made the IRC list. Woo hoo. |
07:19:38 | mecraw | I'm honored. |
07:19:50 | LinusN | finally, you _are_ someone! |
07:20:07 | mecraw | Now I just need to weasel my way into the credits :) |
07:20:15 | LinusN | last time that happened was when you saw your name in the phone book! |
07:21:19 | mecraw | What are your thoughts on resuming after the USB is unplugged? |
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07:21:40 | LinusN | my unit eats more power on ATA_SLEEP than ATA_STANDBY :-( |
07:21:51 | LinusN | mecraw: resuming playback? |
07:21:54 | mecraw | yes |
07:23:26 | LinusN | should be fairly easy, but why the heck would we want that? |
07:24:08 | mecraw | so, i can add a few files and then go back to listening to music without rebooting |
07:24:22 | mecraw | i like to listen to my whole drive shuffled |
07:24:36 | mecraw | so, resume has been a godsend |
07:25:35 | mecraw | resuming after USB mode is no different than resuming when booting, the drive could have changed in both cases |
07:27:47 | LinusN | mecraw: sure |
07:28:21 | mecraw | i'll take a look at it |
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07:40:06 | mecraw | plugging in USB froze my WinXP box ?! |
07:41:46 | LinusN | shame on XP! |
07:42:05 | mecraw | exactly |
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07:48:24 | Bagder | morning |
07:48:31 | hardeep | good morning Badger |
07:48:47 | mecraw | evenin' |
07:50:05 | LinusN | morning Bagder |
07:50:38 | hardeep | Hmmm, shouldn't LCD_PROPFONTS be enabled in apps/Makefile also? (looks like settings.c uses them) |
07:51:23 | Hes | Morning |
07:51:49 | LinusN | Hes: morning |
07:54:25 | LinusN | hardeep: that define is set in the target makefile, generated by configure |
07:54:39 | LinusN | and passed to apps/makefile via EXTRA_DEFINES |
07:54:45 | hardeep | LinusN: not anymore |
07:54:48 | LinusN | oh |
07:54:53 | hardeep | Zagor made it default |
07:54:58 | LinusN | i forgot |
07:55:18 | hardeep | am I the only one who prefers prop fonts off? |
07:55:34 | LinusN | i guess not |
07:56:25 | mecraw | hardeep: nope |
07:57:46 | LinusN | i think the plan is to get rid of the monospaced fonts |
07:58:01 | LinusN | the internal ones |
07:58:18 | hardeep | LinusN: they can still be loaded though right? |
07:58:31 | Bagder | yes |
07:58:33 | LinusN | yeah, you can still load monospaced fonts if you like |
07:58:52 | hardeep | i like. =) |
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08:03:27 | Hes | Seems we're going over 100k in firmware binary size |
08:04:10 | LinusN | the date/time setting is almost unreadable with propfonts |
08:04:26 | LinusN | the cursor needs a margin |
08:04:28 | Bagder | we need to fix all those font quirks |
08:05:06 | LinusN | yea, but i really wanted to release 1.3 today... |
08:05:17 | Bagder | oh |
08:05:20 | Bagder | then fix fast ;-) |
08:05:24 | * | Bagder giggles |
08:05:26 | LinusN | and now suddenly Zagor opens a new can of worms |
08:05:34 | LinusN | it's not like him |
08:05:39 | Bagder | we've agreed on this before |
08:05:48 | Bagder | this was not a whim of yesterday |
08:06:01 | Bagder | we've mentioned propfonts in 1.3 for a week |
08:06:25 | Bagder | the only way we can get it working properly is by forcing it in the face of people ;-) |
08:06:41 | LinusN | yes, in daily builds |
08:08:21 | LinusN | todays build is not a release candidate, for instance |
08:08:33 | Bagder | I realize that |
08:08:46 | Bagder | but I am still in favour of this move |
08:09:04 | * | Hes built from CVS and goes on a test ride |
08:09:04 | LinusN | me too, but it should have been done a few days ago |
08:09:14 | Bagder | I agree |
08:09:26 | Bagder | but this only postpones the release somewhat |
08:09:33 | Bagder | it doesn't matter much |
08:09:54 | LinusN | no, not that much |
08:20:36 | Bagder | from a mail I received tonight: |
08:20:42 | Bagder | "I'd like to join the rockbox developers team" |
08:20:48 | Bagder | :-) |
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08:24:49 | LinusN | the RTC starts with all ones in all time registers after a power loss |
08:25:10 | LinusN | we must set them to sensible values when we detect that |
08:25:27 | LinusN | should we do it at boot, or in the time/date menu? |
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08:26:10 | Bagder | sensible values? :-) |
08:26:20 | Bagder | should we estimate date/time ? |
08:26:39 | LinusN | whatever, that's not my point |
08:26:59 | Bagder | if we don't do it at boot, what does the time show? |
08:27:03 | LinusN | there are only 12 months in a year for example |
08:27:13 | LinusN | 315:03 |
08:27:14 | mecraw | how about make the user set it, like archos did on first boot |
08:27:30 | Bagder | oh |
08:27:38 | adi|home | well.. 12 months by the gregorian calendar.. yeah :) |
08:27:39 | LinusN | hence "sensible values" |
08:27:46 | Bagder | then I think it should be corrected "on boot" |
08:28:06 | Bagder | I don't think we should force the user to set it |
08:28:14 | LinusN | we can either send the user to the time/date screen, or set it to 2000-01-01 00:00:00 or something |
08:28:24 | LinusN | meybe 2002... |
08:28:39 | LinusN | we can set it to the build date :-) |
08:28:51 | Bagder | that's a neat idea ;-) |
08:29:12 | adi|home | i have a better idead |
08:29:14 | LinusN | i don't like being sent to the time/date menu |
08:29:23 | adi|home | we could set it to a random birthday ;) |
08:29:30 | Bagder | LinusN: me neither |
08:29:33 | adi|home | have like 6-10 in code.. of the dev's bdays ;) |
08:29:36 | * | adi|home smirks |
08:29:36 | Bagder | adi|home: yay! ;-) |
08:29:41 | LinusN | :-) |
08:29:44 | adi|home | i mean come on.. |
08:29:57 | Bagder | uh |
08:30:00 | adi|home | talk about confusing them : one boot: 08-04-1977 08:34 am |
08:30:06 | Bagder | I doubt the date can even be set that back far? ;-) |
08:30:10 | adi|home | second boot: 09-14-1904 |
08:30:11 | adi|home | lol |
08:30:22 | mecraw | you're old |
08:30:23 | Bagder | 1904? that you? B) |
08:30:34 | adi|home | hehe nope... august 4 babe... |
08:30:37 | adi|home | leo's rock! |
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08:33:37 | mecraw | is the status bar going to move to its own thread? |
08:33:42 | Zagor | yes |
08:33:56 | Zagor | hi all, btw ;) |
08:34:00 | Bagder | moo Z |
08:34:11 | Bagder | we have some font mess to fix ;-) |
08:34:27 | Zagor | ah, I guessed we would |
08:34:39 | Bagder | yeah, no surprises |
08:34:44 | Zagor | what's the problem? |
08:35:19 | Bagder | set time/date |
08:35:23 | Hes | My test drive was a failure - only one song played completely |
08:35:57 | Bagder | hm |
08:36:00 | Bagder | no |
08:36:11 | Bagder | set time/date works fine for me |
08:36:15 | Bagder | LinusN: ? |
08:36:30 | Zagor | works here too |
08:36:45 | mecraw | there's no way of telling which thread will get the SYS_USB_CONNECTED first, is there? |
08:36:50 | Bagder | <LinusN> the date/time setting is almost unreadable with propfonts |
08:37:09 | Zagor | bah, he's wrong :) |
08:37:33 | Hes | the readability of the propfonts is not very good indeed |
08:37:47 | LinusN | Hes: agreed |
08:38:31 | Zagor | Hes: you mean in time/date? |
08:38:37 | mecraw | the highlighting on the time/date screen on my recorder is all messed up |
08:38:44 | Hes | Zagor: generally |
08:38:54 | LinusN | mecraw: yes it is |
08:38:57 | Zagor | i think they're a lot better than the old font |
08:39:14 | Hes | Less readable than the current non-prop font |
08:39:27 | LinusN | Hes: i think so too |
08:39:31 | Zagor | i disagree |
08:39:38 | LinusN | but i still like being able to see a lot more text |
08:39:38 | Zagor | you're just conservatives ;) |
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08:41:28 | LinusN | Zagor: you didn't see the cursor garbling in the date/time setting? |
08:41:37 | Zagor | no |
08:41:41 | Bagder | me neither |
08:41:49 | LinusN | then you must have forgotten to reconfigure |
08:41:51 | Hes | < LinusN> my unit eats more power on ATA_SLEEP than ATA_STANDBY :-( |
08:41:55 | Bagder | I bet it is because the apps don't have the LCD_PROPFONTS properly |
08:41:56 | Zagor | LinusN: no |
08:41:57 | Hes | this is interesting |
08:42:07 | LinusN | Bagder: it is, i have committed a fix |
08:42:11 | Zagor | Bagder: ah, could be that. yes |
08:42:28 | Bagder | LinusN: weird, so why is this a problem for you? |
08:42:39 | LinusN | Bagder: you mean SLEEP? |
08:43:04 | Hes | I must try STANDBY if it'd produce less errors |
08:43:14 | LinusN | STANDBY has other problems |
08:43:17 | LinusN | for me |
08:43:31 | Bagder | LinusN: no, I wonder why you get date/time font problems when I and Zagor don't |
08:43:36 | LinusN | the disk doesn't spin down after the first time |
08:43:36 | Hes | LinusN: like what? |
08:43:42 | Hes | Humm |
08:43:48 | LinusN | Bagder: you haven't done a clean configure |
08:43:51 | Bagder | no |
08:43:55 | Bagder | but nevertheless |
08:43:57 | Bagder | why |
08:44:03 | LinusN | then your makefile sets EXTRA_DEFINES |
08:44:05 | Bagder | I use propfonts in that display |
08:44:09 | Bagder | it works |
08:44:12 | LinusN | then your makefile sets EXTRA_DEFINES |
08:44:21 | Bagder | but |
08:44:23 | LinusN | do a clean configure |
08:44:25 | Bagder | you said you fixed that |
08:44:34 | LinusN | yes, a few minutes ago |
08:44:40 | Bagder | and then it works, right? |
08:44:50 | LinusN | yes, but today's daily build doesn't |
08:45:03 | Zagor | it seems the set_time function needlessly tries to do "clever" things with the PROPFONTS define. apps shouldn't even have that define, IMHO |
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08:45:11 | LinusN | but maybe that one doesn't reconfigure either |
08:45:19 | bobTHC | good morning |
08:45:27 | LinusN | Zagor: needlessly? |
08:45:33 | Zagor | yes |
08:45:43 | Zagor | since it works best without those tricks... |
08:45:47 | LinusN | yes, maybe from today on |
08:45:53 | LinusN | tricks? |
08:46:31 | Zagor | ok,rebuilt again. no change, looks excellent. will try the daily build. |
08:46:49 | LinusN | yeah, since we don't have any monospaced fonts, the ifdef can probably be removed |
08:47:16 | LinusN | the daily build may also work if it doesn't reconfigure |
08:47:51 | Bagder | it doesn't |
08:47:56 | Zagor | linus. trust me. i did the fix. i'm running with good configure. |
08:48:02 | LinusN | ok, then it will look ok. phew |
08:48:53 | Zagor | daily build is bad |
08:48:56 | LinusN | Zagor: trust me, it didn't look ok without changing apps/makefile |
08:49:02 | Zagor | yes it did |
08:49:33 | Zagor | never mind |
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08:50:49 | Bagder | ff/rewind acceleration |
08:50:51 | Bagder | neat |
08:51:01 | Bagder | probably post-1.3 though |
08:51:07 | Zagor | yes |
08:51:18 | hardeep | yeah, I like it too |
08:51:32 | hardeep | but did we want to change the functionality for all repeat ? |
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08:54:03 | LinusN | hardeep: i don't understand your question? |
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08:54:10 | mecraw | good night |
08:54:16 | Bagder | night mecraw |
08:54:26 | hardeep | LinusN: speed up all repeat the longer button's held |
08:54:28 | LinusN | night mecraw |
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08:54:47 | LinusN | hardeep: globally? naaaah... |
08:55:10 | hardeep | hmmmm, okay |
08:55:11 | Zagor | we need that |
08:55:27 | Zagor | browsing is painful without it |
08:55:38 | LinusN | gaming will suck with it |
08:55:55 | Bagder | and it won't solve the 'fast forward' anyway |
08:55:57 | Zagor | how long do you hold down keys the games? |
08:56:09 | Zagor | Bagder: agreed. fast forward needs a different mode too |
08:56:25 | LinusN | Zagor: if a game uses repeat, it will not want acceleration |
08:56:49 | Zagor | maybe. but everything else wants it. |
08:57:09 | LinusN | so let everything else (the dir browser) solve it |
08:57:17 | hardeep | configruable repeat acceleration then? just like repeat is configurable in button |
08:57:25 | Zagor | duh? it can't |
08:57:51 | LinusN | it is, button_set_repeat() |
08:57:55 | Zagor | since when do the games dictate system design? |
08:58:24 | LinusN | the games is an example |
08:58:26 | Bagder | Zagor: why can't the dir browser deal with it? |
08:58:46 | Zagor | Bagder: how can the dir browser magically invent faster key repeat? |
08:59:07 | Zagor | and no, skipping several lines is not good enough |
08:59:37 | Bagder | then it could move two lines fast |
08:59:59 | Bagder | but I get your point |
09:00 |
09:00:10 | LinusN | Zagor: i object to the dir browser being "everything else" |
09:00:10 | Bagder | I still agree with Linus, that is mainly a dir browser problem |
09:00:39 | Zagor | maybe, but the dir browser can't solve it anyway |
09:00:57 | LinusN | not easily anyway |
09:00:57 | Zagor | and dir browser is about this -> <- much more important than the gamew |
09:00:59 | Zagor | games |
09:01:05 | LinusN | the games is an example |
09:01:11 | Bagder | well, the settings might not want accelleration either |
09:01:17 | Zagor | i want it there |
09:01:27 | LinusN | i'm not sure i want repeat acceleration in the date/time setter either |
09:02:02 | Bagder | it's a tricky question this |
09:02:27 | Bagder | and it boils down to personal preferences as usual ;-) |
09:02:58 | LinusN | yup |
09:04:20 | Bagder | "In the tradition of U.S. elections, the logo with the second-highest number of votes wins." |
09:04:37 | LinusN | :-) |
09:04:46 | Bagder | hehehe |
09:04:56 | LinusN | or project name elections, by the way :-) |
09:05:04 | Bagder | right! |
09:05:09 | Bagder | very suitable |
09:08:19 | LinusN | i like Xiph's thank-you letter |
09:09:32 | Bagder | huh? where? |
09:10:11 | Bagder | I mailed the guy with the mambo-x comparison page yday |
09:10:21 | Bagder | he replied |
09:10:38 | adi|home | i wouldn't deem "fuck off cock sucker" a reply would you? |
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09:11:19 | Bagder | "Thanks a lot. I will try to revise those info for Archos ASAP. BTW, did you do all that for Archos in that RockBox project? It is so amazing." |
09:11:30 | Bagder | :-) |
09:11:35 | hardeep | what's the site? |
09:11:43 | Bagder | http://www.angelfire.com/electronic2/mymamboxjb/ |
09:12:52 | LinusN | Bagder: http://www.xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/openletter.html |
09:13:58 | Bagder | hahaha |
09:14:19 | hardeep | laugh |
09:26:19 | LinusN | Hes: you still have lots of skips? |
09:32:12 | Bagder | <Hes> My test drive was a failure - only one song played completely |
09:32:31 | LinusN | how strange, i have no skips |
09:32:35 | Bagder | me neither |
09:32:49 | LinusN | Hes: what type of files do you have? |
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09:40:25 | mecraw | Zagor: i think there is a slight bug in resume |
09:40:37 | Zagor | ok? |
09:41:15 | mecraw | if i start a playlist with resume on... then turn resume off while it's playing... |
09:41:47 | mecraw | then start playing another playlist... |
09:41:50 | mecraw | and switch resume on... when i reboot, it will start the first playlist |
09:42:08 | Zagor | yes. that's how resume works. you must have it on when starting the playlist. |
09:42:26 | mecraw | the patch i submitted yesterday fixed this, but it was mixed in with an enhancement |
09:42:35 | Bagder | Zagor: well it could be fixed |
09:42:49 | Bagder | it should be considered a bug imho |
09:43:21 | adi|home | god damnit.. |
09:43:26 | adi|home | do i have to fix the faq to say |
09:43:35 | adi|home | we can't play OR write other formats then mp3? |
09:43:38 | Zagor | Bagder: yeah, maybe |
09:43:40 | adi|home | jesus h christ |
09:44:09 | Bagder | Zagor: because it'll confuse every use that does this, it is not what anyone would expect |
09:44:15 | Bagder | s/use/user |
09:45:03 | Bagder | I love the person at yahoo that didn't understand A1 in the faq ;-) |
09:45:12 | Zagor | yeah... |
09:45:14 | adi|home | you have a link to him? |
09:45:16 | Bagder | kind of a failure, hehe |
09:45:31 | Bagder | http://groups.yahoo.com/group/archosjukebox6000/message/12193 |
09:45:56 | Bagder | oh, its not A1 but a very major A |
09:46:11 | Zagor | A3 |
09:46:54 | adi|home | istill say A44 is my best yet :) |
09:47:02 | Zagor | :) |
09:47:12 | mecraw | Zag/Bag: should i clean the enhancement out of my patch and resubmit it, or just let you fix it as you see fit? |
09:47:24 | adi|home | lol |
09:47:25 | Bagder | I would love that |
09:47:31 | adi|home | i don't see the 'technical' part of answer3 |
09:47:48 | Bagder | adi|home: that's because you're technical ;-) |
09:47:56 | Zagor | mecraw: I didn't like the 'last_shuffle_index' |
09:48:28 | adi|home | yeah.. but god damn... |
09:48:34 | adi|home | all he has to do is google it |
09:48:38 | adi|home | or jeeves |
09:48:40 | adi|home | for fuck sake |
09:48:45 | mecraw | Zagor: you don't like the feature or just the variable? |
09:49:06 | adi|home | "im an illiterate fuck.. can you put all your explanations into 2 or less sylabul words please' |
09:49:20 | Zagor | i don't like that you add a persistent variable that doesn't need to be saved. you can find it without saving it. |
09:49:30 | mecraw | how? |
09:49:37 | Zagor | search the playlist index |
09:50:01 | Bagder | no, he still needs to remember the former song for that feature |
09:50:06 | Zagor | just like we do when turnin shuffle on/off during playback |
09:50:24 | Zagor | Bagder: why? maybe I misunderstood the feature, then? |
09:50:28 | Bagder | I think so |
09:50:50 | mecraw | i'm trying to start the shuffle from where i left off when i turned shuffle off |
09:50:53 | Bagder | he disable shuffle, plays "normally" for a while (several songs) and then enables shuffle againand then it plays where it stopped shuffling before |
09:51:26 | Bagder | personally, I don't think that information needs to survive a reboot |
09:51:35 | Zagor | me neither |
09:51:58 | mecraw | i wasn't sure if it should either, but i felt like trying my hand at the rtc :) |
09:52:06 | Bagder | :-) |
09:53:04 | adi|home | interesting.. i look at my poll on yahoo.. got one response saying that rockbox don't do all that he needs |
09:53:13 | Zagor | adi|home: recording |
09:53:20 | adi|home | nods |
09:53:21 | Zagor | many people complain about that |
09:53:22 | adi|home | thats what i figure |
09:53:44 | langhaarrocker | Let me guess: You dislike the idea to waste valuable rtc memory for something as useless as the highscore of games? |
09:53:48 | mecraw | feature request for 1.8: be able to specify the seed for a playlist |
09:54:07 | adi|home | langhaarrocker: i wouldn't worry about high scores yet |
09:54:12 | Zagor | i got an incoherent ramble yesterday about some guy complaining about the screen being too small for games. and we are supposed to do what? |
09:54:16 | adi|home | when we have disk write, we can just toss them in a file |
09:54:24 | Bagder | langhaarrocker: I do, yes ;-) |
09:54:26 | adi|home | lol@to small |
09:54:27 | Zagor | mecraw: why? |
09:54:38 | adi|home | mecraw: why? |
09:54:43 | adi|home | lol... damn you zag |
09:54:55 | mecraw | that way i can switch playlists and then go back to them in the same shuffled state |
09:55:04 | adi|home | oh.. i was giving some thought to the keyboard (text entry) issue... |
09:55:17 | mecraw | of course i would need to know what the original seed was |
09:55:32 | adi|home | i think just a layout of chars in a box, then arrowing to the char you want may be best on the recorder |
09:55:38 | Zagor | mecraw: the seed is a 32-bit number. lots of fun to enter on the player... :-) |
09:55:48 | adi|home | nods |
09:56:23 | mecraw | when we get .rockbox, save the seeds in a file: <m3u>.seed |
09:56:34 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: So we need a crc check for validating the seed. |
09:56:44 | Bagder | 48 bit crc |
09:56:50 | * | Bagder ducks |
09:57:33 | adi|home | Zagor: when i run txt2html.pl on a file, i don't lose carriage returns (double cr that is), but it seems to on the web.. any idea whats up with that? |
09:58:30 | Bagder | you need to replace empty lines with |
09:58:50 | adi|home | not withing a <pre> tag you don't |
09:58:56 | Bagder | I think the cpp is to blame for eating |
09:59:06 | adi|home | ahh... then thats a prob :) |
09:59:39 | Bagder | so putting the there is a bit lame but a fully working work-around ;-) |
09:59:45 | adi|home | cause having to put in   defeats the purpose of pre tags |
10:00 |
10:02:39 | Bagder | not completely, and if it is made with a script anyway there's no work involved |
10:03:37 | adi|home | okay.. fixed |
10:03:41 | adi|home | Zagor you around? |
10:03:58 | Zagor | yup |
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10:04:12 | adi|home | would you mind running txt2html.pl on the CONTRIBUTING file? |
10:04:22 | adi|home | i want to make sure that the fix works on your compiler side |
10:04:56 | Zagor | ok |
10:05:01 | adi|home | ty |
10:06:24 | Zagor | it becomes <pre>, the whole thing |
10:06:43 | adi|home | thats odd... |
10:06:50 | adi|home | works when i run it on a file on my side... |
10:07:17 | Zagor | i mean the text is there, but enclosed in a single big <pre> </pre> |
10:08:06 | adi|home | right |
10:08:08 | adi|home | thats correct |
10:08:16 | Zagor | ok |
10:08:19 | adi|home | :) |
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10:10:53 | LinusN | what should we do about the playlist hang bug? |
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10:11:08 | LinusN | i don't remember what we said about that |
10:11:23 | Zagor | has anyone been able to repeat it? |
10:11:43 | LinusN | i can repeat it easily |
10:11:51 | Bagder | you can? |
10:12:02 | Bagder | how? |
10:12:03 | Zagor | how? |
10:12:06 | LinusN | just play a playlist with non-existing mp3 files |
10:12:13 | Bagder | it hangs? |
10:12:15 | Bagder | where? |
10:12:23 | LinusN | the mpeg thread will loop forever trying to open the files |
10:12:35 | Bagder | but... |
10:12:36 | LinusN | i guess |
10:12:42 | Bagder | mp3info() returns BAD FILE |
10:12:46 | Bagder | it should not |
10:12:48 | LinusN | or is it the shuffle that hangs? |
10:12:54 | Zagor | ah, you mean a whole list with all non-existing files? |
10:12:59 | LinusN | yes |
10:13:05 | Zagor | right. |
10:13:19 | Bagder | but my playlist fixes a few days ago fixed that, didn't it? |
10:13:28 | LinusN | i tried a minute ago |
10:13:34 | Bagder | odd |
10:13:44 | LinusN | maybe i should start my gdb... |
10:13:52 | Bagder | yes, it would be really good |
10:14:13 | Bagder | how does it look when it hangs? |
10:14:20 | LinusN | these are the times that i would like ROLO |
10:14:33 | LinusN | it just says "playing X files" |
10:14:33 | Bagder | yeah |
10:14:47 | Bagder | and no key works? |
10:15:04 | LinusN | don't know |
10:15:10 | Bagder | because that's expected |
10:15:16 | Bagder | the wps doesn't update its screen |
10:15:18 | Bagder | when this happens |
10:15:27 | Bagder | the id3 mpeg_playing dilemma |
10:15:36 | Zagor | we should handle this more gracefully |
10:16:08 | Bagder | this is the same thing we've discussed already, the wps needs to know that there is a song being loaded |
10:16:21 | Bagder | or not |
10:16:27 | Zagor | yes, but even then this case with all bad files should be handled better |
10:16:32 | LinusN | I know what we can do! |
10:16:41 | Bagder | Zagor: how? |
10:16:47 | Bagder | LinusN: tell us! |
10:16:50 | LinusN | we can scan the disk and see if the files exist!!!!! :-) :-) |
10:16:59 | * | Bagder smacks LinusN |
10:17:04 | LinusN | ouch |
10:17:06 | Zagor | LinusN: we already do that. it's called open() |
10:17:13 | Bagder | right |
10:17:20 | Bagder | and mp3info() even does further checks |
10:17:28 | LinusN | i was making a joke about the way Archos loads playlists |
10:17:32 | Bagder | hehe |
10:17:34 | Zagor | i know :) |
10:18:18 | LinusN | yes, it is an mpeg open() loop |
10:18:27 | Bagder | boooo |
10:18:28 | Bagder | ;-) |
10:18:41 | Bagder | why does it open it? |
10:18:43 | LinusN | playing...couldn't open...playing... |
10:18:46 | Bagder | doesn't mp3info fail first? |
10:19:06 | LinusN | why would it? |
10:19:08 | Zagor | Bagder: it loops through the files. one fails, it tries the next, fails, tries next etc. |
10:19:15 | Bagder | no |
10:19:24 | Bagder | it asks playlist_next() for them |
10:19:28 | Bagder | that returns NULL eventually |
10:19:34 | Bagder | and then it should stop |
10:19:52 | Bagder | and mp3info() returns BADFILE for bad files |
10:19:58 | Bagder | which should make the mpeg thread not play them |
10:20:15 | Bagder | at least that's my tihnking |
10:20:16 | Zagor | LinusN: how big was the list you tested? did it ever run through the whole list? |
10:20:27 | LinusN | new_file() calls playlist_next() and then opens the file |
10:20:30 | Bagder | right, it could take a while... |
10:20:37 | LinusN | Zagor: 2 files |
10:20:54 | LinusN | gucka.mp3 and mongo.mp3 |
10:20:56 | Bagder | LinusN: but if playlist_next() returns NULL it doesn't open it |
10:20:57 | Zagor | hehe, ok |
10:21:01 | LinusN | bot non-existing... :-) |
10:21:19 | Bagder | hm |
10:21:21 | LinusN | why would playlist_next() return NULL? |
10:21:33 | Bagder | after a lap, it does |
10:21:40 | Bagder | read the top of the function |
10:22:02 | Bagder | besides |
10:22:11 | Bagder | the mpeg thread should use the info from mp3info() |
10:22:15 | Bagder | about the file being bad |
10:22:52 | Zagor | Bagder: if the open fails, mpeg.c always calls playlist_next() with step 1 |
10:23:02 | Zagor | so your check will fail, i think |
10:23:11 | Bagder | ah |
10:23:16 | LinusN | it never returns NULL for me |
10:23:21 | Zagor | see new_file() |
10:23:26 | Bagder | why does it ask for the same file again? |
10:23:40 | Zagor | it doesn't, it asks for next |
10:23:40 | LinusN | Bagder: no, it asks for the next |
10:23:53 | LinusN | index 0 is the same file |
10:24:06 | Bagder | but but but |
10:24:07 | Bagder | why? |
10:24:18 | LinusN | because it wants to try the next |
10:24:19 | Bagder | why not increase the index and ask for next? |
10:24:27 | Bagder | then the check would work |
10:24:38 | Bagder | I mean when open fails |
10:24:41 | LinusN | why increase the index? |
10:24:47 | Bagder | since then the check works |
10:24:51 | Zagor | increase what index? |
10:24:57 | Bagder | 'steps' |
10:25:01 | LinusN | yes, but it that mpeg.c:s concern? |
10:25:13 | Bagder | ok then, name your solution |
10:25:24 | Bagder | it is mpeg's concent |
10:25:26 | Bagder | concern |
10:25:28 | Bagder | it hangs |
10:26:06 | Bagder | it is only a matter how we define that mpeg asks for upcoming songs |
10:26:17 | Bagder | it isn't making mpeg dependent on playlist internals |
10:26:31 | LinusN | yes, 1 means 'next song' |
10:26:44 | Bagder | yes, and 2 means the song after that |
10:27:03 | LinusN | but playlist_next increases the index |
10:27:06 | Bagder | you could make a failed open not advanced the current song |
10:27:13 | Bagder | LinusN: no |
10:27:14 | adi|home | does the Player have an Off button? |
10:27:20 | Zagor | adi|home: no |
10:27:27 | LinusN | playlist.index = (playlist.index+steps) % playlist.amount; |
10:27:38 | adi|home | how do you shut the Player off? |
10:27:44 | Zagor | adi|home: hold down STOP |
10:27:47 | LinusN | adi|home: hols STOP |
10:27:52 | adi|home | okay |
10:31:33 | Bagder | ok, so figure out a different fix |
10:31:47 | Bagder | I still think my way is a fine way |
10:32:03 | LinusN | Bagder: is there a case when the "madness" fix works? |
10:32:20 | Bagder | in the simulator only |
10:32:27 | LinusN | Bagder: you mean to advance the playlist.index explicitly? |
10:32:30 | Bagder | becuase that works the way I thought mpeg does |
10:33:16 | LinusN | like the API was designed in the first place? :-) |
10:33:49 | Bagder | right :-) |
10:34:47 | Bagder | check the simulator stuff in the mpeg.c file |
10:35:03 | Bagder | and how it deals with bad mp3 files |
10:35:14 | Zagor | did we (rockbox) show up in some prominent web site or so lately? I've gotten a swarm of mails the last days. |
10:35:31 | Bagder | do some referer checking |
10:35:34 | LinusN | i don't know |
10:36:37 | Zagor | Bagder: good idea |
10:37:21 | Bagder | cut "-d " -f11 < /var/log/httpd/rockbox-access_log | egrep -v '(-|rockbox.haxx.se)' |
10:37:34 | Bagder | well, almost |
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10:43:18 | mbr | Hi |
10:43:35 | Bagder | hey mbr |
10:44:34 | LinusN | hi |
10:45:08 | mbr | LinusN: I have written the scrollbar |
10:45:22 | mbr | But it depends on a changed lcd_drawrect |
10:45:35 | Bagder | we need to get the 1.3 out the door |
10:45:39 | mbr | with upper left corner and height/width |
10:46:08 | mbr | Bagder: is there a planned release date? |
10:46:15 | Bagder | asap |
10:46:18 | Zagor | mbr: today, hopefully |
10:46:19 | mbr | :) |
10:46:58 | LinusN | mbr: coolness! |
10:47:12 | Zagor | "Other mod sites I have seen about modding items of effection usually don't put up such a quality site." |
10:47:27 | LinusN | "mod sites" :-) |
10:47:38 | Bagder | archos.mod sites ;-) |
10:47:53 | LinusN | i would call Rockbox a little more than a "mod" |
10:48:11 | Zagor | yeah |
10:48:18 | Bagder | nah, "how hard can it be?" :*) |
10:48:18 | Zagor | but this was early june |
10:48:24 | * | Bagder grins |
10:48:25 | LinusN | almost insulting :-) |
10:48:52 | mbr | Another question. What abut a time based MPEG_LOW_WATER? |
10:48:59 | LinusN | "i modded Linux by rewriting it from scratch" |
10:49:09 | LinusN | mbr: we have discussed that |
10:49:17 | Zagor | mbr: coming soon to a rockbox near you :-) |
10:49:21 | LinusN | seems like the way to go |
10:49:31 | mbr | but it is not implemented? |
10:49:35 | LinusN | not yet |
10:50:18 | mbr | what must be done to do this? scan all mpeg data in ram to know how many frames ar in ram? |
10:50:59 | LinusN | no, measure the time the disk takes to spin up |
10:51:02 | Bagder | now, tell me again how mpeg loops around the failed open(), I don't see how that happens |
10:51:30 | LinusN | Bagder: it calls playlist_next(1) repeatedly to get the next file |
10:51:43 | Bagder | where? |
10:51:48 | LinusN | new_file() |
10:52:02 | Bagder | and how does that loop? |
10:52:17 | Zagor | "Are there any open source firmware projects for iPod firmware like "Rockbox" for the Archos players?" |
10:52:21 | LinusN | do {} wile mpeg_file < 0 |
10:52:22 | mbr | LinusN: But you should know how many seconds mpeg data are in ram? and for vbr the data ust be scanned, or am I wrong? |
10:52:25 | Bagder | line 852? |
10:52:40 | Zagor | mbr: we can simply use the average bitrate |
10:52:47 | LinusN | line 649 in my file |
10:53:00 | mbr | Zagor: Ah! OK. |
10:53:02 | Bagder | yes but called from where? |
10:53:08 | LinusN | don't know |
10:53:13 | Bagder | hehe |
10:53:31 | LinusN | 744 |
10:53:38 | LinusN | 852 |
10:53:47 | LinusN | 1180 |
10:54:07 | LinusN | no, not 744 |
10:54:07 | Bagder | it hardly loops like this called from three places |
10:54:23 | LinusN | the loop is in new:file |
10:55:00 | Bagder | ah, I give up |
10:56:13 | Zagor | "P?i psan? Sklizn? nez??dka naraz?m na pom?rn? kuri?zn? projekty. Z m?ho pohledu je takovou perlou i Rockbox - otev?en? vyv?jen? alternativn? firmware pro MP3 p?ehr?va?e Archos Jukebox 6000, Studio a Recorder." |
10:56:26 | Zagor | gotta love those chechs :) |
10:57:35 | Bagder | we should go back to a playlist_peek(index) imho |
10:57:46 | Zagor | for what? |
10:57:57 | Bagder | for reading out playlist file names |
10:58:02 | Bagder | without moving the current index |
10:58:13 | Zagor | i disagree |
10:58:15 | Bagder | it would solve this issue in an instance |
10:58:19 | Bagder | uh |
10:58:21 | Bagder | in a second |
10:58:28 | Zagor | yeah, but both playlist and mpeg would have to be more complex |
10:58:40 | Bagder | only very very slightly |
10:58:48 | Zagor | i don't like it... |
10:58:59 | Bagder | so instead we do... = |
10:59:00 | Bagder | ? |
10:59:56 | Zagor | i don't know |
11:00 |
11:00:12 | Bagder | the moving of the index in playlist_next() is what makes this very tricky |
11:00:19 | Bagder | imho |
11:01:01 | Bagder | with this, the mpeg thread will need its own method to bail out |
11:01:10 | Bagder | like 10+ failed open() or something |
11:01:22 | Zagor | yes |
11:01:38 | Bagder | and I think it is a less fine solution |
11:01:42 | LinusN | me too |
11:02:08 | Zagor | less fine than making the whole playlist system more complex? i disagree vehmently. |
11:02:09 | Bagder | if we have a 100 song playlist and 90 songs are deleted from disk |
11:02:14 | Bagder | what do we want it to do? ;-) |
11:02:27 | Bagder | it is not more complex, I disagree |
11:02:51 | Zagor | in that case, I think it's better that mpeg.c calls playlist_getsize() and uses that for open limit |
11:03:15 | Bagder | in what way is that less complex? |
11:03:30 | Zagor | we don't keep two indices |
11:03:50 | Bagder | we wouldn't keep two anyway |
11:04:09 | Zagor | currently playing and currently loading |
11:04:26 | Bagder | no |
11:04:42 | Bagder | the playlist code with simple use (index + steps) like it does today |
11:04:47 | Bagder | without advancing index |
11:05:01 | Bagder | then there would be a second function that *only* advanced the index |
11:05:08 | Bagder | end of story |
11:05:14 | Zagor | ah, you just want mpeg.c to handle the index? |
11:05:45 | Bagder | mpeg would try playlist_next(1) first, and if that fails (2) etc yes |
11:05:56 | Zagor | until? |
11:06:00 | Bagder | until it returns NULL |
11:06:07 | LinusN | peek() until you can open, and advance_index() with as many steps that it took |
11:06:15 | Bagder | exactly |
11:06:32 | Zagor | so what about mpeg_prev? |
11:06:38 | Zagor | peek(-3) ? |
11:06:40 | Bagder | exactly the same procedure |
11:06:42 | Bagder | yes |
11:06:42 | LinusN | negative indices |
11:06:50 | Zagor | repeat? |
11:07:00 | LinusN | no change there |
11:07:02 | Bagder | it doesn't affect it |
11:07:22 | Zagor | so when does peek return NULL? |
11:07:34 | LinusN | when steps > size |
11:07:35 | Bagder | that's a playlist decision |
11:07:48 | Bagder | but steps > size is a safe bet for now |
11:07:52 | LinusN | NULL means "invalid index" |
11:08:06 | LinusN | or something |
11:09:42 | Zagor | hmm |
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11:11:35 | Zagor | ok, do it |
11:11:52 | Bagder | LinusN: you do the mpeg end? |
11:14:11 | Bagder | dwihno|gone: hoo hoo! |
11:14:27 | * | Bagder wants a proper N in the font |
11:14:46 | LinusN | i want proper descents too |
11:14:53 | Zagor | i don't |
11:15:05 | Zagor | so we'll get loadable together asap :-) |
11:15:10 | Bagder | yeah |
11:15:10 | LinusN | and adjust the heights of b,d, and h |
11:16:36 | LinusN | we need the font to look better to sell the propfonts |
11:16:39 | Bagder | I make a playlist_peek() and a playlist_next(), both accept 'steps' |
11:17:08 | Hadaka | too bad ogg can't be done on the archos :P |
11:17:13 | LinusN | Bagder: ok |
11:17:14 | Zagor | yup |
11:18:21 | LinusN | Bagder: playlist_next() just advances the index, right? |
11:18:28 | Bagder | yes |
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11:19:05 | LinusN | playlist_peek(steps, &index)? |
11:19:11 | Bagder | no &index |
11:19:16 | Bagder | only steps |
11:19:21 | LinusN | playlist_next(steps, &index)? |
11:19:36 | Bagder | does it need &index? I return it right now |
11:19:52 | LinusN | ok, explain the new API for me |
11:20:05 | Bagder | char *playlist_peek(int steps) |
11:20:09 | Bagder | returns the song |
11:20:16 | Bagder | int playlist_next(int steps) |
11:20:27 | Bagder | advances the index and returns the new current index |
11:20:27 | LinusN | ok |
11:21:16 | LinusN | ok, commit the playlist code and i'll do the rest |
11:22:47 | Bagder | done |
11:29:49 | adi|home | soooooo whens 1.3? |
11:29:51 | * | adi|home ducks |
11:29:57 | * | Bagder swings |
11:30:16 | adi|home | .ol |
11:30:20 | adi|home | lol you missed!!!! |
11:30:24 | adi|home | ha ha ha ha! |
11:30:25 | Bagder | darn |
11:30:47 | LinusN | how do we want the mpeg thread to tell wps that it failed? |
11:31:06 | adi|home | how do youmean? |
11:31:29 | LinusN | (the new playlist API) |
11:31:38 | Bagder | hm |
11:31:44 | Zagor | mpeg_error() ? |
11:31:57 | adi|home | ahh.. okay... |
11:32:02 | LinusN | is_playing = false ? |
11:32:07 | adi|home | http://rockbox.haxx.se/download.html does not exist? |
11:32:11 | adi|home | no... |
11:32:19 | Zagor | it's false during pause, isn't it? |
11:32:22 | Bagder | is_playing already is false before the mp3 is loaded |
11:32:31 | Zagor | right |
11:34:47 | LinusN | oh my god! |
11:34:47 | adi|home | you could have a private errno |
11:34:47 | adi|home | what? |
11:34:47 | LinusN | mpeg_thread() has a return statement |
11:34:47 | Bagder | hehehe |
11:34:47 | Bagder | nnnnnnnasty |
11:34:47 | Bagder | luckily it never reaches it |
11:34:47 | LinusN | what exactly is wps waiting for? id3 != NULL? |
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11:34:47 | LinusN | it does now |
11:34:47 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Bagder |
11:34:47 | Bagder | the wps awaits id3 != NULL, yes |
11:34:59 | Bagder | since the is_playing isn't very useful at the startup |
11:35:06 | Zagor | we could of course just set it to true before we start loading |
11:35:36 | Zagor | mpeg should set is_playing to true before starting to load the files |
11:35:57 | LinusN | no, mpeg_is_playing() should return true |
11:36:01 | Zagor | then that pesky "end of list" problem is gone too |
11:36:07 | Zagor | LinusN: that's what I meant |
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11:52:29 | Bagder | but that would make mpeg_is_playing() return true *always* unless the mp3 was broken, wouldn't it? |
11:52:41 | Bagder | return playing || play_pending || paused; |
11:52:55 | Zagor | hehe, yes |
11:53:57 | Bagder | so mpeg_ok() would be a better name ;-) |
11:55:11 | Bagder | and a user thing |
11:55:26 | Bagder | if you play like this, and it ends up in the wps with a bad mp3 |
11:55:40 | Bagder | you press ON to go the dir browser... |
11:55:49 | Bagder | ... should ON take you back? |
11:56:04 | Zagor | not if you only have that bad mp3 |
11:56:11 | Zagor | since then you're not playing anything |
11:56:23 | Bagder | right |
11:58:43 | Bagder | that must be a minor flaw today, that if during mpeg load would be able to press ON, you can't press ON again to get back until the mp3 starts to play |
11:58:59 | Zagor | yes |
11:59:09 | Bagder | not that I think anyway would be able to see this |
11:59:15 | Bagder | anyone |
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12:00:56 | Zagor | how's it going, linus? two minutes to red build... :-) |
12:01:06 | Bagder | it doesn't go red actually |
12:01:12 | Bagder | it already built |
12:01:20 | Bagder | mpeg.c has its own proto |
12:01:24 | Bagder | which now is wrong ;-) |
12:01:27 | Zagor | ah, of course |
12:01:44 | LinusN | should wps quit as soon as mpeg_is_playing returns false? |
12:01:56 | Bagder | no |
12:02:02 | Bagder | I think it should display some message |
12:02:05 | LinusN | why not? |
12:02:14 | Bagder | because people won't understand |
12:02:23 | Zagor | "bad playlist" |
12:02:24 | LinusN | that the music has stopped? |
12:02:35 | Bagder | stopped? it may never have started |
12:02:46 | LinusN | ok so if mpeg_is_playing returns false, wps should call mpeg_error()? |
12:02:48 | Zagor | "end of list" is fine, then we're safe for non-repeat too |
12:03:05 | Bagder | end of list is fine enough |
12:04:31 | LinusN | as it is now, mpeg_is_playing is set true by mpeg_play() regardless |
12:04:48 | LinusN | and set to false on STOP and on error |
12:04:54 | Zagor | good |
12:04:59 | LinusN | error being NULL from playlist_next() |
12:05:00 | Bagder | ah, right on stop |
12:05:55 | Bagder | yes, so if it doesn't return true, mpeg_error() is checked to see if it doesn't play due to error |
12:05:55 | LinusN | therefore, all conditional screen updates in WPS could (should) be removed |
12:06:34 | Zagor | we should still display "end of list" |
12:06:39 | Bagder | yes, this will help improving the wps code |
12:06:55 | LinusN | i don't like "end of list" in the normal case |
12:07:06 | Bagder | it won't be normal now |
12:21:42 | LinusN | ok, i have committed the fix |
12:21:49 | LinusN | testit, test it, test it |
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12:43:46 | LinusN | yo Zagor |
12:45:05 | Zagor | will you fix the sims? |
12:46:24 | LinusN | ah, the sims |
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12:59:43 | Zagor | still red build |
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13:00:18 | LinusN | you will have to wait until it builds again |
13:00:33 | Zagor | no, i mean there are still errors in your last checkin |
13:00:40 | Zagor | you use gcc3 right? |
13:00:51 | Zagor | it is much more forgiving... |
13:01:22 | LinusN | 3.0.3 |
13:01:32 | LinusN | what is wrong? |
13:01:45 | Zagor | in mpeg_play, you declare variables after code |
13:01:51 | LinusN | i do? |
13:02:03 | Zagor | is_playing = true; |
13:02:03 | Zagor | |
13:02:03 | Zagor | #ifdef SIMULATOR |
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13:02:03 | Zagor | char* trackname; |
13:02:03 | Zagor | int steps=0; |
13:02:28 | LinusN | ah |
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13:05:43 | LinusN | i wonder what Hes's skipping problem is? |
13:06:23 | Zagor | yes |
13:07:59 | Hes | It might be a bad disk |
13:08:05 | Hes | but erwin has a lot of it too |
13:08:12 | LinusN | yeah |
13:08:30 | Zagor | i thought erwin said yesterdays mutex fix removed his problems? |
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13:11:04 | Zagor | <merwin> Zagor: that ata problem that linus fixed also seemingly fixed the automatic track skipping "feature" :-) |
13:11:17 | Zagor | <merwin> Zagor: I just tested out with the latest build and it's working after 7 - 10 songs |
13:13:22 | Hes | 1>INFO:1024MB Bank 0 |
13:13:22 | Hes | 1>INFO:1024MB Bank 1 |
13:13:22 | Hes | 1>INFO:1024MB Bank 2 |
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13:13:22 | Hes | 1>INFO:1024MB Bank 3 |
13:13:27 | Hes | whoops... wrong window. |
13:13:32 | Zagor | what have I forgotten: http://rockbox.haxx.se/download/rockbox-1.3-notes.txt |
13:14:10 | Bagder | Zagor: while I remember, I'd like to be able to browse the older release notes too later on |
13:14:18 | Zagor | sure |
13:15:43 | Zagor | added bug reports and feature requests links to left-side menu |
13:15:55 | Bagder | goodie |
13:16:52 | Zagor | have we fixed bug 595550 "Wrong Title Listed When 1st File's Short"? |
13:17:05 | LinusN | don't know |
13:17:13 | Bagder | max file names isn't truly 400, is it? |
13:17:26 | Bagder | Zagor: he never returned with details |
13:17:26 | Zagor | it is, if they are short |
13:17:44 | LinusN | Zagor: if they are long you mean |
13:17:54 | LinusN | no, sorry |
13:18:17 | Bagder | I mean, 16KB for the buffer makes 1600 file names if they're all 10 bytes |
13:18:28 | Zagor | yes, but we still only have 400 entries |
13:18:34 | Zagor | static struct entry dircache[MAX_FILES_IN_DIR]; |
13:18:34 | Bagder | ah |
13:18:37 | Bagder | right |
13:18:50 | LinusN | we can raise that |
13:19:04 | LinusN | if we want |
13:19:08 | Zagor | of course, but we don't need to :-) |
13:19:13 | LinusN | :-) |
13:19:17 | Zagor | (let's discuss it again!) |
13:19:23 | Bagder | YES! |
13:19:28 | Bagder | ;-) |
13:19:36 | Bagder | "but why do you..." |
13:19:57 | Zagor | "I know you don't solicit feedback on the daily builds, but |
13:19:57 | Zagor | PLEASE −− don't go with proportional fonts on the recorder. The 20020828 build makes the display impossible to read |
13:19:57 | Zagor | without a magnifying glass." |
13:20:29 | Zagor | any seniors in the crowd? ;) |
13:20:30 | Bagder | I have a feeling this is gonna cause some heated debate |
13:20:42 | Zagor | maybe we should just hold it until loadable fonts are ready |
13:20:47 | LinusN | I have said so a long time |
13:20:58 | Bagder | yes, but you ARE a senior ;-P |
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13:21:04 | * | Bagder hides |
13:21:07 | LinusN | born in 1904 |
13:21:07 | Zagor | LinusN: no, you've just complained that it's ugly. not that it's small. |
13:21:13 | LinusN | true |
13:21:41 | Bagder | but the והצ-people should like it |
13:21:54 | Zagor | yes. hmm, what to do? |
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13:22:07 | Bagder | ... option? B) |
13:22:23 | Zagor | bleh, that'll take 14 bugs to sort out |
13:23:05 | * | Bagder reprots LinusN to the Code Police, C++ comment found in wps ;-) |
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13:23:52 | Zagor | i'm actually leaning towards removing it again. nobody complained about the old font, and us coders know how to get the new. and by 1.4 everybody will be happy. |
13:24:06 | Bagder | they did complain on the missing 8bit characters |
13:24:16 | Bagder | but I agree with that |
13:24:29 | Bagder | revert to monospace |
13:24:33 | Zagor | yes |
13:24:35 | Bagder | for peace |
13:25:11 | Bagder | did you guys try the hang-scenario again and see that it doesn't happen now? |
13:25:33 | Zagor | didn't you? :-) |
13:25:45 | Bagder | no usb at work you know |
13:25:54 | Zagor | linus? |
13:26:16 | LinusN | i have tried, but i'd like you guys to do the same |
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13:26:21 | Zagor | ok |
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13:26:35 | Bagder | make a dir with zero-byte mp3 files and press play on one of them |
13:26:45 | LinusN | i haven't tried that |
13:26:55 | LinusN | i have only tried with a bad playlist |
13:27:21 | Bagder | it is slightly different than a list with only non-existing files |
13:27:29 | Zagor | i'll test both |
13:27:30 | LinusN | yup |
13:28:25 | Bagder | Zagor: changes in 1.3: usb icon! |
13:28:31 | Zagor | ah |
13:29:58 | LinusN | we should brag more about the in-track resume |
13:30:07 | Bagder | yes |
13:30:19 | LinusN | in the top list, i mean |
13:30:20 | Bagder | fast forward/backward |
13:30:41 | Zagor | bad playlist works, empty-files doesn't! |
13:30:43 | Bagder | ballance setting! ;-) |
13:31:19 | Zagor | added |
13:32:01 | Zagor | a dir with 4 zero-byte mp3 files still hang |
13:32:02 | Bagder | "show hidden files" |
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13:32:58 | Bagder | LinusN: the mpeg thread must respect the mp3info return code |
13:33:07 | Bagder | not only open() failures |
13:33:32 | LinusN | i'm on it |
13:34:08 | Zagor | did 1.2 have the status bar? |
13:34:29 | Bagder | can't remember |
13:34:31 | Zagor | it did |
13:34:37 | Bagder | check the 1.2 release notes |
13:34:51 | Zagor | yeah, did that |
13:44:02 | LinusN | now it handles empty files too |
13:44:19 | Bagder | goodie |
13:44:57 | LinusN | how do you like the mp* patch? |
13:45:10 | Bagder | fine with me |
13:45:27 | LinusN | i like it |
13:45:43 | LinusN | Zagor? |
13:46:14 | Zagor | sure |
13:46:37 | Zagor | but... |
13:46:43 | Zagor | .mpg files are normally movies. |
13:47:12 | Zagor | wait until post 1.3 |
13:48:01 | * | Bagder nods |
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13:48:58 | Bagder | LinusN: move the index _after_ the mpeg is found to be good |
13:49:18 | LinusN | oops |
13:49:22 | Bagder | this works, but in a funny way ;-) |
13:50:51 | LinusN | funny? |
13:51:01 | Bagder | yes, as it does both next and increases steps |
13:51:16 | LinusN | hehe, try again |
13:51:59 | * | Bagder hands LinusN his diploma, "well done sir!" ;-) |
13:52:17 | * | LinusN bows |
13:52:29 | * | Zagor kills that silly bug report |
13:52:52 | Bagder | Bug Report Killer && Code Police! ;-) |
13:53:11 | Zagor | that's me |
13:54:16 | LinusN | Hes: you are on your own on that bug |
13:54:34 | LinusN | you are the only one that can reproduce it |
13:54:42 | LinusN | if it is a bug, that is |
13:54:48 | Hes | Okay |
13:55:02 | Hes | I'll dig into it myself |
13:55:04 | LinusN | nail that sucker! |
13:55:12 | Bagder | Hes: you tried the archos firmware lately with the new disk? |
13:55:19 | Hes | Nope |
13:55:24 | Hes | Didn't do much testing |
13:55:29 | Hes | had USB trouble at work |
13:58:40 | Zagor | fix works. goodie. |
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14:00:04 | LinusN | Bug 599764 may very well be this too |
14:00:30 | LinusN | his "large playlist" may have weird path names in it |
14:00:36 | Bagder | yes |
14:00:46 | LinusN | like the guy with the "C:\My Documents....." playlist |
14:00:47 | Bagder | when they have weird paths for example |
14:00:49 | Bagder | right |
14:02:08 | Bagder | let's assume this fixes that |
14:03:48 | Bagder | lets's also assume 599194 doesn't exist anymore |
14:04:29 | Bagder | and 593284 |
14:05:14 | Bagder | we should close all we think is corrected and we should run through and close feature-requests too |
14:07:50 | Zagor | not until release |
14:08:42 | Zagor | which is... soon :) |
14:08:45 | Zagor | i'm tagging cvs now |
14:08:50 | LinusN | wow |
14:09:00 | Bagder | kewlness |
14:09:09 | LinusN | have you tested the font revert properly? |
14:09:24 | Zagor | nope :-) but tags can be changed |
14:09:42 | Bagder | hahaha |
14:10:09 | Zagor | tested. works. |
14:13:06 | LinusN | the F2 and down-arrow bugs are probably fixed too |
14:13:13 | Zagor | most likely, yes |
14:13:30 | LinusN | and "still a little too loud" |
14:13:40 | Bagder | it is better to close all suspected fixed ones and make people open new reports instead of they should appear again |
14:13:55 | Zagor | yes |
14:13:55 | LinusN | did we get any more response from the ON key guy? |
14:13:56 | Bagder | s/of/if |
14:14:14 | Bagder | LinusN: the archos firmware has no function on the on key so he can't test it there |
14:14:24 | LinusN | it has |
14:14:32 | Bagder | hm the hold perhaps? |
14:14:35 | LinusN | key lock |
14:14:39 | Bagder | right |
14:14:54 | Bagder | I don't think he knew about that |
14:14:56 | LinusN | and ON from charging mode |
14:15:06 | LinusN | two seldom used functions |
14:15:25 | LinusN | i bet his ON key Port B is broken |
14:15:34 | Bagder | I think so too |
14:16:40 | Zagor | can anyone here make win32 sims? |
14:16:58 | LinusN | never tried |
14:17:05 | * | Bagder uses his telepatic skills to get in touch with edx |
14:17:49 | LinusN | telepathic? |
14:17:56 | LinusN | and a mind-reader too! |
14:18:16 | Bagder | some guys are code polices, others are just psycic ;-) |
14:18:48 | LinusN | psycho, if you ask me :-) |
14:19:15 | Mode | "#rockbox +o Zagor " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
14:19:24 | Topic | "1.3 is released. Go get it!" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) |
14:19:31 | Bagder | paaaarty |
14:19:50 | Bagder | freshmeat, sourceforge, bla bla... |
14:19:58 | Zagor | yup |
14:20:09 | Zagor | i'll be busy a while :-) |
14:21:03 | LinusN | woo, crash!!! |
14:21:10 | Zagor | Bagder: will you handle feature requests and bug reports? |
14:21:15 | LinusN | address error |
14:21:20 | Zagor | haha |
14:21:21 | Bagder | Zagor: sure |
14:21:55 | LinusN | i'll handle the partying |
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14:23:28 | manitee | hi folks |
14:23:32 | Zagor | hi manitee |
14:23:37 | Zagor | the party is on |
14:23:44 | manitee | party? |
14:23:55 | Bagder | topic man, topic! |
14:24:00 | Zagor | release party. can't you hear the music? ;) |
14:24:04 | manitee | oh yeah 1.3! great work heh |
14:24:09 | manitee | you guys celebrating? |
14:24:27 | Zagor | if you call running around the web filling in forms "partying", then yeah :) |
14:24:33 | manitee | heh |
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14:25:36 | pimlottc | woo new version |
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14:27:03 | LinusN | we are sooooooo cooooool!!! |
14:27:14 | manitee | eh? |
14:27:18 | pimlottc | omg i agree!!!! |
14:27:41 | * | LinusN opens another bottle of champagne |
14:28:01 | Bagder | lots of closed feature-requests now |
14:28:19 | Zagor | yeah, that's good |
14:28:19 | pimlottc | eh no need to close |
14:28:23 | LinusN | i see them.... |
14:28:24 | * | pimlottc shrugs |
14:28:29 | Bagder | hehe |
14:28:44 | manitee | installing 1.3 now |
14:28:53 | Bagder | What do we do with the insane ones? |
14:28:59 | LinusN | keep them |
14:29:01 | Bagder | "[ 598350 ] VBR bit rate display" |
14:29:03 | Bagder | ;-) |
14:29:34 | pimlottc | reading mpeg headers is not so hard |
14:29:38 | LinusN | that's a silly one, but it could still be cool to see the bitrate flicker sometimes |
14:29:44 | manitee | playing mpegs might be heh |
14:29:49 | LinusN | pimlottc: not hard |
14:29:52 | Zagor | pimlottc: the problem is that they change at 400 Hz |
14:29:56 | Bagder | not hard, just silly |
14:30:00 | LinusN | :-) |
14:30:13 | pimlottc | zagor - well of course we can skip a few |
14:30:25 | Bagder | "skip a bit brother" |
14:30:25 | pimlottc | it's not like xmms/winamp shows them at 400 hz |
14:30:28 | Bagder | aah |
14:30:32 | Zagor | then what's the point? it won't be even remotely accurate. |
14:30:33 | Bagder | monthy python time |
14:30:42 | pimlottc | we're humans |
14:30:56 | Bagder | then what's the point? |
14:31:01 | pimlottc | it can be plenty accurate if it's within a tenth of a second or so |
14:31:22 | pimlottc | it's not like you can tell 'omg that's a lie that happened 10ms earlier |
14:31:24 | Bagder | no, only if we show the average within that time |
14:31:57 | pimlottc | it doesn't have to be perfect to be useful |
14:32:11 | LinusN | how would it be useful? |
14:32:11 | Bagder | so how is it useful? |
14:32:13 | manitee | LinusN: remember our skipping discussion yesterday? |
14:32:17 | LinusN | manitee: yes |
14:32:24 | pimlottc | because it makes people happy :) |
14:32:33 | manitee | LinusN: with 0% fragmentation, it is still skipping in the same spot |
14:32:40 | Bagder | we can just fake the numbers then ;-) |
14:33:09 | LinusN | manitee: even with 1.3? |
14:33:42 | manitee | not sure - have tried yet - give me a moment |
14:34:02 | LinusN | i fixed a nasty ATA bug yesterday |
14:34:26 | manitee | ok checking now |
14:36:38 | manitee | LinusN: that seemed to have fixed it |
14:36:43 | Zagor | good |
14:36:51 | LinusN | greatness! |
14:36:58 | manitee | yeah great work: thanks so much |
14:37:57 | Zagor | someone have mercy on the manual, please? the wps at least needs updating. |
14:38:26 | manitee | uhh, how do I turn a studio20 off in 1.x? wont seem to shut down |
14:38:38 | Zagor | manitee: just hold down stop. |
14:38:52 | manitee | ah grand, thanks |
14:39:06 | manitee | was trying various voodoo combinations that had seemed to make it work |
14:39:10 | Zagor | haha |
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14:44:26 | LinusN | wow, the "changes" list really looks impressive |
14:44:41 | LinusN | did we really do all that? |
14:44:48 | Zagor | hehe, yeah |
14:44:59 | Bagder | in less than three weeks |
14:45:12 | Bagder | since 1.2 |
14:45:17 | LinusN | i like that |
14:45:20 | Zagor | i tested my split mp3 files with the archos firmware and it has a gap between them, so I added that feature |
14:45:31 | LinusN | k00000l |
14:45:43 | Bagder | heheh |
14:45:48 | Bagder | neneneneeeeatoooo |
14:49:31 | Zagor | Bagder: oh, you announced it on funmp3players too :-) |
14:50:32 | Zagor | "Archos 1.27 had refused to recognize a bunch of mp3's, the rockbox recognizes and plays all of them." |
14:52:04 | Bagder | Zagor: the more the merries! |
14:52:06 | Bagder | merrier |
14:53:04 | Zagor | the interesting thing about the split file is that it doesn't have any id3 info in the splits. so how did the archos guys manage to make a gap? |
14:55:38 | Bagder | they might think of it as a feature ;-) |
14:55:48 | LinusN | some mp3 players force a stream resync to avoid "noise" |
14:55:55 | LinusN | like slimp3 |
14:56:00 | LinusN | iirc |
14:56:13 | Zagor | ok |
14:56:38 | LinusN | i can't see why, though |
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15:00:28 | manitee | nick manitee|away |
15:00:31 | manitee | oops |
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15:09:22 | Zagor | LinusN: you should close the bugs that are fixed |
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15:10:30 | LinusN | i did, after realizing that |
15:10:38 | Zagor | ok |
15:10:51 | LinusN | "aligned" |
15:10:59 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
15:11:10 | LinusN | what _did_ you mean? |
15:11:11 | webbie | eya |
15:11:14 | webbie | hm |
15:12:59 | Zagor | mailed a response |
15:13:15 | Zagor | didn't find a good word for it |
15:13:19 | LinusN | hehe |
15:14:43 | Zagor | we should work out a good answer about why and how, i think many people will ask |
15:15:10 | Bagder | I know one: "you should ask Zagor, he'll explain" |
15:15:16 | * | Bagder ducks |
15:15:18 | manitee|away | ba ha |
15:15:31 | LinusN | aha! he wasn't away after all! |
15:15:33 | LinusN | :-) |
15:15:36 | * | manitee|away is back |
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15:15:42 | manitee | you caught me |
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15:16:43 | Bagder | the ff/rewind acceleration patch could go in now |
15:16:53 | Zagor | yes |
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15:21:25 | manitee | will that scale the speed of ff/rw the longer you hold the button down? |
15:21:31 | Bagder | yes |
15:21:35 | manitee | ah that will eb great |
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15:21:45 | Bagder | I agree |
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15:22:21 | Topic | "1.3 is released. Welcome to the party!" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) |
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15:24:45 | webbie | 1.3 eh |
15:25:13 | Bagder | only 25 releases left until we reach Archos' 1.28! ;-P |
15:25:31 | manitee | just jump right to 6.0 a la netscape |
15:25:34 | webbie | heh |
15:25:39 | webbie | ieuw no. |
15:25:44 | LinusN | Maybe we can have file writes by then :-) (Zagooooor!) |
15:25:52 | webbie | so how is the usability atm ? |
15:25:53 | Bagder | hhihihi |
15:26:02 | LinusN | webbie: it's useless |
15:26:09 | LinusN | totally |
15:26:13 | LinusN | sucks |
15:26:15 | webbie | LinusN, ? |
15:26:18 | webbie | hows that? |
15:26:20 | LinusN | :-) |
15:26:33 | LinusN | why wouldn't it be useful? |
15:26:56 | Bagder | it isn't only useful, it rocks! |
15:26:57 | LinusN | i have used it since before 1.0 |
15:27:15 | LinusN | haven't used Archos firmware since then |
15:27:18 | webbie | LinusN, just wondering on how it's features are compared to the 5.08 |
15:27:23 | webbie | archos that is |
15:27:30 | LinusN | is that a measure of usefulness? |
15:27:51 | webbie | no.. usability |
15:28:02 | Bagder | so define usability |
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15:28:38 | alphawave | cool 1.3 realeased? |
15:28:47 | LinusN | yup |
15:28:56 | Bagder | cool as ice |
15:29:12 | LinusN | webbie: my point is that we don't compare with the stock firmware to determine how usable our firmware is |
15:29:18 | alphawave | wow do we have mid-song resume? |
15:29:27 | LinusN | we use it, or we don't |
15:29:28 | Bagder | we do |
15:29:35 | alphawave | and is gamebox included in player? |
15:29:45 | Bagder | mid-song, mid-playlist, full shuffle |
15:30:15 | webbie | LinusN, hm k. was just wondering |
15:30:22 | LinusN | hehe, no offense |
15:30:27 | alphawave | cool! |
15:30:30 | Bagder | webbie: you should just try it |
15:30:43 | alphawave | i don't see it on download page |
15:30:51 | bobTHC | ohhhhhh! |
15:30:52 | LinusN | if you don't like it, go back to the original |
15:30:56 | webbie | Bagder, uhm yes.. if i was able to upload it to my jukebox |
15:31:03 | LinusN | webbie: no usb port? |
15:31:05 | webbie | dont have inet where i have usb :( |
15:31:11 | LinusN | :-( |
15:31:18 | alphawave | >:( |
15:31:29 | LinusN | floppy |
15:31:45 | webbie | no floppy |
15:31:50 | webbie | library computers |
15:31:51 | notch | are you? |
15:31:52 | Bagder | make a CD |
15:31:58 | Bagder | ;-) |
15:32:09 | notch | or email attach |
15:32:14 | webbie | notch, lol |
15:32:18 | webbie | hmm 5min left.. |
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15:33:05 | alphawave | someone sent me a build with a game in it for the player quite impressive! |
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15:33:29 | Bagder | right, how is that game? |
15:33:31 | alphawave | i love libary puters! my local libary has t3 |
15:33:46 | alphawave | itfun but a bit awkward |
15:34:55 | webbie | cya ppl |
15:34:59 | LinusN | cu! |
15:35:25 | Bagder | bye LinusN |
15:35:32 | Bagder | don't party too hard now ;-) |
15:35:39 | Bagder | oh |
15:35:46 | Bagder | hm |
15:35:49 | * | Bagder needs coffee |
15:35:56 | * | Bagder ducks and runs |
15:36:10 | LinusN | Bagder: i said bye to webbie! :-) |
15:36:41 | Zagor | ah, lunch, finally |
15:36:47 | LinusN | :-) |
15:36:57 | LinusN | already! |
15:37:01 | LinusN | i haven't had mine yet |
15:37:03 | alphawave | yuck cant stank any coffe except those fucappicino from starbucks! |
15:37:42 | Zagor | alphawave: heh, well the nearest starbucks is about, oh, 6000km away so I'll have to live with the local stuff ;) |
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15:37:52 | alphawave | lol |
15:38:21 | bobTHC | starbuck wireless inet acess is a good stuff.. |
15:38:44 | alphawave | heh |
15:39:07 | bobTHC | for war driving.. |
15:39:15 | bobTHC | ;) |
15:42:06 | alphawave | i just triedthe first little realease from a long time ago just to see how for thee project has gone! |
15:42:15 | alphawave | sooooooooo far! |
15:43:07 | LinusN | hehe |
15:43:11 | hardeep | so, when's 1.4 coming out? =) |
15:43:17 | alphawave | the ittle ed flasher! |
15:43:20 | Zagor | haha |
15:43:24 | alphawave | *led |
15:43:44 | pimlottc | fixed your l key?? |
15:43:52 | Zagor | I expect 1.4 could take longer than 1.3 did |
15:44:21 | alphawave | it get tough then |
15:44:48 | * | Bagder chants fat write fat write fat write |
15:45:23 | * | alphawave chants whooo huuuooooo |
15:45:27 | pimlottc | I'm waiting to see someone write a ext2 or ntfs driver for it |
15:45:28 | pimlottc | heh |
15:45:37 | Bagder | ntfs? *shrug* |
15:45:47 | manitee | rieserFS! |
15:45:54 | alphawave | yeah just waiting untill we can use ntfs and no more errors1 |
15:45:59 | manitee | ok im out for now - see you folks later ) |
15:46:03 | * | manitee waves |
15:46:06 | alphawave | bye! |
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15:46:19 | pimlottc | bagder - well I figure the windows userbase would like that more than ext2 :) |
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15:46:36 | Bagder | I doubt many windows users use ntfs anyway |
15:46:47 | Bagder | besides |
15:46:48 | * | Zagor starts writing the fat write code |
15:46:53 | alphawave | im using it now on win xp |
15:47:00 | Bagder | the archos ROM firmware uses fat |
15:47:11 | alphawave | o so no it wont happen |
15:47:20 | alphawave | *g* |
15:47:21 | pimlottc | it could just would need more partitions |
15:47:26 | Zagor | there's little point to using ntfs or any other fs on the archos |
15:47:27 | Bagder | yes |
15:47:34 | Bagder | pimlottc: and a good reason |
15:47:42 | alphawave | it cause much less errors on ntfs |
15:48:00 | alphawave | nota one so far! |
15:48:01 | pimlottc | zagor - I'm not saying it would be _useful_... just would be neat |
15:48:25 | Bagder | alphawave: what, on your archos with ntfs compare with the one with fat? |
15:48:55 | pimlottc | and I wouldn't be surprised to see someone do it |
15:48:56 | alphawave | no i dont have ntfson my archos i do on my laptop |
15:48:57 | Zagor | less than 0 errors? yay, that's good! ;) |
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15:49:23 | pimlottc | less than 0 must mean it fixes errors on other people's drives |
15:49:28 | Zagor | hehe |
15:49:56 | alphawave | humm i should reshearch ntfs then |
15:50:02 | Bagder | disk doctor! ;-) |
15:50:08 | pimlottc | maybe microsoft could run a huge ntfs fs to keeps its customer's fat drives working |
15:50:19 | Zagor | lol |
15:50:44 | alphawave | i wanna try a linux i never have |
15:50:58 | Bagder | wow |
15:51:05 | Bagder | you should |
15:51:07 | Bagder | its fun |
15:51:25 | quelsaruk | jejeje |
15:51:45 | alphawave | i've used win 3.1, 95, 98, me, xp mac, 9.1, 9.2, x |
15:52:24 | alphawave | have to say i liked mac x best |
15:52:57 | pimlottc | it looks interesting I must say |
15:53:15 | pimlottc | if only TiBooks weren't so expensive |
15:53:17 | notch | whoa! check out that new USB connector! |
15:53:22 | notch | I like it! |
15:53:29 | alphawave | i know so damn expensive |
15:53:42 | Bagder | notch: artwork of dwihno |
15:53:55 | notch | thanks dwihno |
15:54:41 | alphawave | be back in a few mins |
15:54:59 | | Nick Zagor is now known as Zagor|laundry (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) |
15:54:59 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Zagor|laundry |
15:55:36 | alphawave | bye |
15:56:01 | | Nick alphawave is now known as alphawave|away (alphawave@208-149-64-84.ppp.nexband.com) |
15:59:21 | LinusN | ok, gotta go now! |
15:59:24 | LinusN | bye all! |
15:59:31 | Bagder | bye again LinusN :-) |
15:59:35 | LinusN | :-) |
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16:00:22 | linuxstb | Many apologies - I've checked in code that doesn't compile. fixing now...... |
16:00:55 | Bagder | no worries |
16:00:59 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
16:00:59 | * | mecraw|sleep stirs |
16:01:04 | | Nick mecraw|sleep is now known as mecraw (~mecraw@67.41.113.92) |
16:02:06 | Bagder | been a while since we got a straight red line ;-) |
16:03:26 | hardeep | oh, hey, that reminds me... a friend asked for a simple feature... |
16:03:50 | hardeep | ... change the MP3/M3U filter options to: Off, MP3 only, M3U only, MP3 & M3U |
16:04:25 | Bagder | sounds fair and easy |
16:04:32 | hardeep | He has a whole bunch of playlists and didn't like having to scroll past mp3's to get to them 'cause that's all he uses |
16:04:45 | linuxstb | OK. I've done what I should have done in the first place - compiled and tested it :-) CVS should be OK again. |
16:04:57 | Bagder | goodie |
16:05:34 | hardeep | Badger: cool. i'll add it then |
16:05:59 | Bagder | the source is yours ;-) |
16:08:32 | notch | Has anyone noticed the shuffle bug? you have to stop playing/restart when you change the shuffle mode... |
16:09:20 | Bagder | you mean to switch it off or on? |
16:09:38 | notch | no just stop playing and then play again |
16:10:36 | notch | I implemented a small change for shuffle on F2 which is how I came across it... |
16:10:40 | Bagder | to do what? I'm not following here |
16:11:02 | mecraw | it won't take effect until the next song plays |
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16:11:17 | Bagder | ah right |
16:11:25 | Bagder | it only affects song changing |
16:11:42 | diddystar | im back |
16:11:42 | diddystar | i had pizza 4 breakfast! |
16:11:48 | notch | Mecraw: no, not untill you stop/play/ again |
16:12:00 | hardeep | the champion's breakfast! |
16:12:38 | diddystar | lol |
16:13:01 | mecraw | notch: let me check again, but that's how it's worked for me |
16:13:14 | diddystar | we are the champions of the world! me and my friends |
16:14:08 | diddystar | opps im on the wrong name brb |
16:14:15 | notch | say youre listening to robbie williams and shuffle mode is on. You then decide you would like to listen to more robbie (god knows why) so you turn shuffle off. Unledd you stop/play then shuffle mode is still on. |
16:14:23 | notch | (unless) |
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16:14:41 | diddystar | ahh on e sec |
16:14:46 | hardeep | notch: on 1.3? |
16:14:46 | | Quit diddystar (Client Quit) |
16:14:52 | notch | yep |
16:14:53 | hardeep | notch: i fixed that a couple of days ago |
16:14:55 | notch | on recorder |
16:15:22 | notch | just did a cvs update... maybie it stuffed up... will check! |
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16:16:14 | notch | Hardeep - where did you change it? |
16:16:30 | hardeep | notch: playlist.c |
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16:18:12 | | Quit alphawave|away (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
16:18:57 | | Quit alphawave (lerouge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) |
16:18:57 | NSplit | lerouge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net |
16:18:57 | | Quit quelsaruk (lerouge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) |
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16:19:08 | mbr | s it ok when I commit the changed lcd_drawrect(). Hopefully all depending code is fixed :) |
16:19:43 | Bagder | sure |
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16:22:07 | alphawave | there im back |
16:22:35 | alphawave | what is a netsplit? |
16:22:55 | >>> | "explain netsplit" by Zagor|laundry (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) |
16:23:04 | Bagder | when two servers disconnect |
16:23:13 | Bagder | thus splitting the IRC network in two halves |
16:23:14 | | Part elinenbe |
16:23:31 | alphawave | oic |
16:24:11 | bobTHC | when the "Relay" of IRC don't work ;) it's IC @ this moment (when server split) |
16:24:11 | NHeal | lerouge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net |
16:24:11 | NJoin | quelsaruk [0] (~zaknafein@faerun.ugr.es) |
16:24:37 | hardeep | notch: there's a bug... if the next song is loaded in the buffer before you change shuffle mode the shuffle mode doesn't come into affect until that song |
16:27:03 | alphawave | on the player when wsp is set to 2 line, the artist dosen't scroll |
16:27:17 | alphawave | *wps |
16:27:29 | | Quit quelsaruk (lerouge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) |
16:27:35 | Bagder | right |
16:27:43 | Bagder | we still only have single-line scrollt |
16:27:44 | NJoin | quelsaruk [0] (~zaknafein@faerun.ugr.es) |
16:27:53 | alphawave | k |
16:30:45 | alphawave | whats mpa files? |
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16:32:45 | pimlottc | it's mpeg audio |
16:33:01 | pimlottc | mpv = mpeg video (no audio) |
16:33:02 | alphawave | never heard of that |
16:33:12 | pimlottc | mp3 is mpeg audio :) |
16:33:18 | alphawave | is it in layer 1? |
16:33:31 | pimlottc | normally if you see a mpa and mpv it is from someone demuxing an mpeg |
16:33:44 | alphawave | mp3: motion picture experts group 1 audio layer 3! |
16:33:45 | pimlottc | probably |
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16:35:46 | alphawave | i need a tivo |
16:36:22 | alphawave | and then put 2 of thise 200 gig hd's realeased by maxtor! |
16:37:58 | | Join Snorlax [0] (lamamba_@h135n1fls34o883.telia.com) |
16:40:08 | Snorlax | I just started taking programming last week! |
16:40:27 | Snorlax | soon I'll be tha masta of rockbox!!! =) |
16:40:30 | Bagder | yay! |
16:40:33 | pimlottc | grats |
16:40:50 | * | Snorlax is gonna rule u all! |
16:40:52 | Snorlax | =) |
16:41:04 | Bagder | we'll enjoy that moment |
16:41:23 | Bagder | when we can sit back and let Snorlax do the hard work |
16:41:27 | Bagder | :-) |
16:41:48 | Snorlax | my teatcher sucks though, he is like 1 or 2 exersices before us in the book! |
16:41:56 | Snorlax | =) |
16:42:19 | Snorlax | I managed to make a window red! |
16:42:25 | Snorlax | and green! |
16:42:40 | Bagder | woooo |
16:42:49 | Snorlax | that may come in handy, yeah it probably will! |
16:43:01 | Bagder | ask him you teach you more rockbox coding details ;-) |
16:43:23 | Snorlax | in (promise to not laugh) Visual Basic |
16:43:27 | Snorlax | =) |
16:44:38 | alphawave | check this out http://www.pillowpillow.com/ipodfirstaid/ |
16:45:04 | alphawave | lol this guy spilt coke on his pod |
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16:47:23 | Snorlax | haha, what a looz0rz |
16:48:27 | Snorlax | pillowpillow.com what kind of page is that, it's got a picture from a great movie named Kids on the front page! |
16:48:44 | alphawave | i dunno! |
16:49:00 | Snorlax | OK! |
16:49:17 | bobTHC | ;) how luck mirror owner it is!! |
16:49:19 | Snorlax | alphawave, u done the sound mod? |
16:49:48 | alphawave | no i just know i will screw it up! |
16:50:09 | alphawave | but i dont know if it's worth it with rockbox :) |
16:50:10 | Snorlax | =) I think I'm gonna |
16:50:26 | alphawave | take pictures if you can :) |
16:50:44 | Snorlax | well I haven't got a digi cam, sorry! |
16:50:56 | alphawave | o well |
16:51:30 | alphawave | tell me if it work and i might try since i do have a 4 year warrently that covers ever purposy done stuff |
16:51:31 | Snorlax | Ithink I'm gonna do both the cap(bass and treble) and the resistor(volume) mod |
16:51:39 | alphawave | cool |
16:51:51 | Snorlax | 4 years?!?! |
16:51:53 | Snorlax | how? |
16:52:07 | alphawave | yep got it at best buy >:) |
16:52:19 | alphawave | most likly they ask you if you want it |
16:52:26 | alphawave | only 40$ more |
16:52:42 | alphawave | and i had to return it 2! |
16:52:43 | Snorlax | oh well I got 1 year, here in Sweden, on the other side of the pond.. =) |
16:52:49 | alphawave | thank god for best buy |
16:52:58 | Snorlax | =) |
16:53:45 | Snorlax | do u know much about caps and resistors and that stuff cuz I got a question |
16:54:36 | alphawave | i know very little |
16:54:59 | alphawave | have you been http://www.mctubster.com ? |
16:55:26 | Snorlax | jupp of corse and on the other mod site |
16:56:36 | alphawave | good |
16:57:33 | alphawave | the only tool i need is a damn star bit driver |
16:57:58 | bobTHC | trox |
16:58:52 | Snorlax | I got that |
16:58:59 | alphawave | trox? |
16:59:24 | _seb_ | torx |
16:59:32 | bobTHC | yes seb |
16:59:34 | alphawave | and my warrenty stil works if the little sticker is off :) |
16:59:40 | alphawave | o |
16:59:42 | | Nick _seb_ is now known as seb-away (user@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) |
16:59:45 | Snorlax | what does trox mean?!!? |
16:59:53 | seb-away | lol |
16:59:57 | bobTHC | torx sorry |
16:59:58 | alphawave | *torx |
17:00 |
17:00:22 | alphawave | i call it a star bit |
17:00:34 | Snorlax | trox=star bit |
17:00:41 | bobTHC | yes ! |
17:00:45 | * | Snorlax understand, finally... |
17:03:55 | Snorlax | what happened to everybody?!?! |
17:04:05 | alphawave | wheres badger? |
17:04:11 | quelsaruk | nothing, just working |
17:04:19 | * | Bagder is around |
17:04:26 | alphawave | good get the game in the build! |
17:04:29 | Snorlax | yeah keep working |
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17:04:44 | Snorlax | bagder stop fooling around, GET TO WORK!! =) |
17:04:48 | alphawave | merwin sent me a mod with the game in it! |
17:04:56 | Snorlax | for the player! |
17:04:57 | * | Bagder actually works! |
17:04:58 | Snorlax | ? |
17:04:59 | alphawave | yep! |
17:05:05 | alphawave | you want it? |
17:05:07 | Snorlax | what kind of game?! |
17:05:11 | alphawave | maze |
17:05:13 | Snorlax | yeah |
17:05:16 | alphawave | quite good |
17:05:18 | Snorlax | gimme gimme gimme |
17:05:23 | alphawave | only one level so far |
17:05:31 | alphawave | one sec |
17:05:47 | alphawave | turn on me archo |
17:05:58 | langhaarrocker | apropos game: Who was it that released V1.3 before I could fix a few bugs in wormlet? |
17:06:11 | Snorlax | wasn't me! |
17:06:26 | Bagder | you write buggy software? B) |
17:06:44 | langhaarrocker | No, I write software bugs. |
17:07:36 | alphawave | where do you want me to sendthe od snorelax? |
17:07:41 | alphawave | *mod |
17:08:05 | Snorlax | papptallrik@hotmail.com |
17:08:08 | alphawave | k |
17:09:07 | | Nick Zagor|laundry is now known as Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) |
17:09:07 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Zagor |
17:09:26 | Bagder | clean-clothes-Zagor! |
17:09:43 | Zagor | black on white, USB2.0 is faster than firewire: http://www6.tomshardware.com/mobile/02q3/020827/mobile_data-05.html#benchmark_results |
17:10:27 | alphawave | well for transferring mp3's firewire is faster |
17:10:40 | alphawave | t sent |
17:10:41 | Zagor | alphawave: why would you say that? |
17:10:54 | Zagor | how is 18 MB/s faster than 30? |
17:11:00 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
17:11:01 | alphawave | one sec |
17:15:25 | alphawave | http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/supergeek/story/0,24330,3393571,00.html |
17:15:33 | alphawave | there |
17:15:57 | Zagor | interesting |
17:16:39 | Zagor | they get VERY low numbers, though. how did they end up maxing out at 6 MB/s !?!? |
17:17:41 | alphawave | dunno |
17:18:24 | Zagor | heck, my slow archos drive is faster than that |
17:19:09 | Snorlax | gonna restart brb |
17:19:11 | | Quit Snorlax ("gittar ny!") |
17:21:04 | | Join elinenbe_ [0] (trilluser@user-0cceh8k.cable.mindspring.com) |
17:21:14 | alphawave | im gonna be back |
17:21:17 | alphawave | bye! |
17:21:20 | | Quit alphawave ("Leaving") |
17:21:30 | | Quit elinenbe_ (Client Quit) |
17:21:39 | | Join elinenbe [0] (trilluser@user-0cceh8k.cable.mindspring.com) |
17:27:59 | | Join Snorlax [0] (lamamba_@h135n1fls34o883.telia.com) |
17:28:06 | linuxstb | Can anyone suggest where I start looking for the "playback corruption every 12 seconds" bug that I reported this afternoon? |
17:28:17 | Snorlax | isn't alphawave here?! |
17:28:51 | | Join hardeep [0] (hardeeps@sdf.lonestar.org) |
17:28:55 | Bagder | linuxstb: it sounds like mpeg thread stuff |
17:28:56 | | Quit RipnetUK () |
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17:29:11 | Bagder | linus is the man, possibly hardeep or Zagor |
17:29:16 | Zagor | Snorlax: <alphawave> im gonna be back |
17:29:43 | Zagor | linuxstb: can you upload one of those files somewhere, so we can test? |
17:29:47 | linuxstb | Can someone confirm that high bitrate MP3 files play OK? |
17:29:52 | linuxstb | Yes - I'll do that now. |
17:29:52 | Zagor | confirmed |
17:29:56 | Bagder | confirmed |
17:30:03 | Zagor | i play 320kbit 48kHz no problemo |
17:30:15 | linuxstb | What about 48KHz MP3 files? |
17:30:21 | linuxstb | Oops... |
17:30:21 | Zagor | i play 320kbit 48kHz no problemo |
17:30:23 | Zagor | ;) |
17:30:39 | linuxstb | So it looks like a layer 2 problem. |
17:31:08 | Zagor | i've played layer 2 files too, i think. many low-bitrate files are layer 2. |
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17:31:19 | Zagor | anyway, upload a file and we'll have a look |
17:31:41 | Bagder | party-linus! |
17:31:42 | LinusN | talking about the 12 second bug? |
17:31:47 | Bagder | yes |
17:31:47 | Zagor | yes |
17:32:08 | LinusN | any ideas? |
17:32:15 | Zagor | not yet |
17:32:19 | LinusN | fastest bug report ever :-) |
17:32:19 | linuxstb | I'm uploading a 6MB example file at the moment. Does anyone need a smaller file? |
17:32:26 | Zagor | no, that's fine |
17:33:47 | Bagder | I'm off, see ya |
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17:35:13 | | Part langhaarrocker |
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17:45:09 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
17:45:09 | * | diddystar5 alphawave is now know as diddystar5 |
17:45:25 | diddystar5 | hey snorelax did you get it to work? |
17:46:53 | Snorlax | no, u got the new display, right? |
17:46:58 | Snorlax | I got the old! |
17:46:59 | diddystar5 | huh? |
17:47:10 | diddystar5 | new display? |
17:47:12 | Snorlax | what base firmware u got? |
17:47:18 | diddystar5 | 5.08 |
17:47:26 | Snorlax | ok, then u got the new display |
17:47:36 | diddystar5 | how was the game? |
17:47:41 | Snorlax | that's why it doesn't work on mine! |
17:47:47 | diddystar5 | oooo |
17:48:12 | diddystar5 | humm i would talk with some of the other people for the mod |
17:50:10 | Snorlax | guess I'll wait for tha release |
17:52:17 | diddystar5 | the game isn't quite ready for realease yet, but soon |
17:52:49 | linuxstb | Example Layer 2 file (6,199,488 bytes) at linuxstb.org/Lager_Frenzy.mp2">http://www.linuxstb.org/Lager_Frenzy.mp2 Let me know when I can delete it. |
17:53:43 | LinusN | downloading... |
17:54:10 | | Part bobTHC |
17:54:20 | LinusN | linuxstb: has this worked on earlier rockbox versions? |
17:55:35 | diddystar5 | i have to do a few chores |
17:55:43 | | Quit diddystar5 () |
17:56:04 | linuxstb | LinuxN - I don't know - I only got my jukebox this morning. Which version would you suggest I try first? |
17:59:52 | Snorlax | you got youre first jukebox this morning?! |
18:00 |
18:00:43 | linuxstb | Yes - but I've been involved with Rockbox a little since before the first sounds happened. |
18:01:24 | linuxstb | LinusN - I can confirm that 1.2 has the same "12 second" problem. About to try 1.1 |
18:03:15 | LinusN | no need |
18:03:52 | linuxstb | Too late :-) 1.1 sounds exactly the same as 1.2 and 1.3 |
18:05:53 | LinusN | linuxstb: i hear the glitches in the track |
18:06:11 | LinusN | not on 12-second intervals, slightly more seldom |
18:07:38 | | Nick LinusN is now known as LinusN|bathtub (~linus@labb.contactor.se) |
18:19:36 | | Quit notch () |
18:20:05 | Snorlax | I found a bug in 1.3 |
18:20:38 | Snorlax | uin the resume-menu the screen is scrambled |
18:21:46 | Snorlax | it doesn't say if it should be on or off or ask like it did before, you can choose but the screen is scrambled, |
18:22:07 | Snorlax | but just underneath, you see that you're in the resume menu |
18:22:13 | Snorlax | I've got a player-old |
18:22:22 | Snorlax | ok, anyone herre? |
18:23:29 | linuxstb | Yes - the resume-menu seems fine on my AJBR20. |
18:24:35 | Snorlax | ok... |
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18:26:57 | diddystar5 | back againe |
18:27:45 | pimlottc | well hello there, pilgrim |
18:28:00 | diddystar5 | arggg i hate my name |
18:29:12 | pimlottc | heh |
18:29:35 | Snorlax | diddy, can u pleez check your resume menu |
18:29:39 | Snorlax | mine is scrambled |
18:29:47 | pimlottc | sorry |
18:29:55 | Snorlax | with the 1.3 |
18:30:14 | diddystar5 | i can't get it to work |
18:30:23 | Snorlax | ? |
18:30:33 | diddystar5 | resume |
18:30:44 | diddystar5 | o gimmme a sec |
18:32:39 | diddystar5 | where is 1.3 on the site? |
18:33:04 | diddystar5 | i click the link on home page but all there is, is 1.2 |
18:33:47 | Snorlax | well, try the neest build then.. |
18:33:51 | Snorlax | newest |
18:34:25 | diddystar5 | k |
18:35:19 | hardeep | reload the page |
18:36:03 | diddystar5 | i did |
18:36:29 | diddystar5 | appeas to work here |
18:36:37 | diddystar5 | *the resume |
18:39:57 | Snorlax | ok, mine resume works, but the resume-menu is scrambled, how about u? |
18:40:17 | diddystar5 | no everyting works here |
18:40:23 | diddystar5 | menu and all |
18:41:04 | Snorlax | ok |
18:41:10 | Snorlax | what headphones u got? |
18:41:27 | diddystar5 | i have jensen(dunno the model) you? |
18:41:39 | Snorlax | sony ex70lp |
18:42:01 | diddystar5 | i had some sony earbuds but doggie found them... |
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18:43:13 | merwin|sleep | yo |
18:43:18 | | Nick merwin|sleep is now known as MeRWiN (merwin@1Cust97.tnt4.new-orleans.la.da.uu.net) |
18:43:26 | Snorlax | jensen, have u got jensen HEADPHONES?! |
18:43:28 | diddystar5 | hey mer |
18:43:32 | Snorlax | not speakers? |
18:43:36 | diddystar5 | yep |
18:43:41 | diddystar5 | jensen heapfones |
18:43:58 | diddystar5 | they are a little uncomfortable, but sound ok |
18:44:20 | diddystar5 | i have a aiwa stereo i sometimes plug into though |
18:44:54 | Snorlax | I'm at www.jensen.com is that rigt? |
18:44:57 | Snorlax | right |
18:45:14 | diddystar5 | yep |
18:48:33 | diddystar5 | http://www.jensen.com/jensen_headphones/products.asp?catID=3 i have the jf25 |
18:48:42 | * | MeRWiN doesn't much care for jensen :) |
18:49:34 | * | diddystar5 says the only problem is that the are a tad uncomfortable |
18:50:18 | Snorlax | how many ohms are they?! |
18:50:42 | quelsaruk | i use B&O earphones :) |
18:50:47 | diddystar5 | hmm |
18:50:59 | diddystar5 | b&o? |
18:51:24 | MeRWiN | I just stick to sony |
18:51:43 | Snorlax | what phones merwin? |
18:51:49 | Snorlax | I got ex70lp |
18:51:49 | diddystar5 | i really liked my earbuds from sony :( |
18:52:00 | MeRWiN | dunno the model number... they're the little earbuds that i picked up from BestBuy |
18:52:02 | diddystar5 | i gonna get a new pair |
18:52:14 | diddystar5 | i hate koss |
18:52:20 | MeRWiN | koss bites |
18:52:21 | Snorlax | WHY?!?! |
18:52:29 | Snorlax | do u hate koss?! |
18:52:39 | diddystar5 | i bought some of there buds and in 6 months they began to have bad quality sound |
18:52:41 | Snorlax | I think I'm gonna get the porta pros |
18:52:52 | MeRWiN | Koss/Jensen is not really... all that high quality :) |
18:52:58 | elinenbe | nick elinenbe|out |
18:53:02 | | Nick elinenbe is now known as elinenbe|out (trilluser@user-0cceh8k.cable.mindspring.com) |
18:53:18 | linuxstb | While we are on the subject, can anyone recommend headphones that "keep the noise in"? i.e. ones I can turn up loud on the bus without getting annoyed looks from my fellow passengers? |
18:53:37 | diddystar5 | lol have that problem heh |
18:53:38 | MeRWiN | linuxstb: Those sony earbuds are very good for that |
18:54:01 | diddystar5 | yeah but if you turn them up to far they are very loud on the outside |
18:54:04 | Snorlax | yupp, the ex70lp are angry looks free |
18:54:05 | | Part elinenbe|out |
18:54:13 | MeRWiN | diddystar5: not really... I use them on the airplane all the time |
18:54:18 | pimlottc | you want closed headphones |
18:54:31 | MeRWiN | diddystar5: i've got my rockbox turned up to 80 or so with no complaints |
18:54:45 | diddystar5 | they are good for airplane but in open it can get loud |
18:55:03 | Snorlax | merwin: u got a player?!?! |
18:55:04 | pimlottc | if you want to really get into headphones sometime go to www.headwize.com or www.head-fi.org |
18:55:21 | diddystar5 | lots ofpeople say the grados are good |
18:55:31 | pimlottc | yes but they leak like crazy |
18:55:34 | MeRWiN | Snorlax: yup |
18:55:36 | diddystar5 | but they are 70 damn $ |
18:55:38 | pimlottc | they are the opposite of what you want |
18:55:40 | pimlottc | heh |
18:55:50 | pimlottc | diddy, that's cheap for good headphones |
18:55:56 | Snorlax | what bass treble settings u got when u got the volume at 80?! |
18:56:05 | MeRWiN | Snorlax: 13bass 14treb |
18:56:22 | diddystar5 | i use 13 bass 13 trebil |
18:56:35 | Snorlax | WHAT!??!? |
18:56:41 | linuxstb | Does anyone know any European (preferably UK) websites for headphones? Everything seems to be US-oriented. |
18:56:45 | Snorlax | what kind of music? |
18:56:50 | MeRWiN | Snorlax: techno, rock, rap |
18:56:54 | diddystar5 | dunno |
18:57:00 | pimlottc | linuxstb - you mean to buy headphones? |
18:57:01 | Snorlax | what bittrate |
18:57:03 | MeRWiN | Snorlax: that's at 70... at 80 i usually keep the bass at 12 |
18:57:05 | diddystar5 | i listen to lots of electronic |
18:57:07 | MeRWiN | Snorlax: 192kbps |
18:57:14 | diddystar5 | about 128- 160 for me |
18:57:32 | MeRWiN | Snorlax: those sony earbuds handle alot of bass :) |
18:57:52 | Snorlax | what mine distortes itself to parts at 76 and 12 bass and 11 treble |
18:58:00 | diddystar5 | yep my earbuds were good quality sound 2 |
18:58:02 | Snorlax | yupp they do |
18:58:31 | pimlottc | linuxstb - those two sites talk about headphones from all over |
18:59:14 | * | MeRWiN hasn't left his hotel room in 2 days :P |
18:59:22 | diddystar5 | whats style are the haedfone syou have snorlax? fullsize? |
19:00 |
19:00:11 | Snorlax | in ear(like the koss "the plug") earbuds |
19:00:19 | diddystar5 | o |
19:00:57 | Snorlax | they're GREEEEEEEAT! |
19:01:15 | MeRWiN | http://www.bestbuy.com/Detail.asp?m=1&cat=793&scat=&e=11101039 |
19:01:18 | MeRWiN | Those are the earbuds that i have |
19:01:18 | MeRWiN | sony |
19:02:23 | diddystar5 | i love best buy! |
19:02:32 | MeRWiN | and those headphones are only $10 :) |
19:02:34 | pimlottc | the koss earbuds are good for cheap headphones |
19:02:36 | Snorlax | i hate best buy! =) |
19:02:46 | diddystar5 | o those were the same ones i had! |
19:02:47 | Snorlax | cuz they're only in us! |
19:02:47 | * | MeRWiN has $1000 debt with best buy :-) |
19:03:04 | pimlottc | most sony headphones are pretty poorly reviewed |
19:03:05 | * | Snorlax is eating dinner |
19:03:14 | * | diddystar5 just wishes he had 1000$ to spend at best buy |
19:03:42 | MeRWiN | diddystar5: that's weird that your sony's did that to you. I've had mine as long as i've had my jukebox (around 9 months). They've been perfect to me |
19:03:52 | MeRWiN | diddystar5: I got a credit card with them :( |
19:04:27 | quelsaruk | don't you know b&o? |
19:04:27 | diddystar5 | ;| |
19:04:31 | diddystar5 | no |
19:04:48 | * | MeRWiN is going to shower... I've got BAD BO :) |
19:04:55 | | Nick MeRWiN is now known as merwin|shower (merwin@1Cust97.tnt4.new-orleans.la.da.uu.net) |
19:05:13 | diddystar5 | lol |
19:05:24 | diddystar5 | ahh i hate damn pop up ads |
19:05:25 | quelsaruk | bang&olufsen? |
19:05:34 | diddystar5 | swedish? |
19:05:40 | merwin|shower | There's a B&O store in the mall down the street from me |
19:05:41 | quelsaruk | http://www.bang-olufsen.com/ |
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19:05:42 | merwin|shower | now that's expensive shit |
19:05:46 | merwin|shower | hey gizz |
19:05:54 | quelsaruk | i know merwin |
19:06:10 | merwin|shower | ok, showertime |
19:06:12 | quelsaruk | but i went to a B&O shop, tested some earphones.. |
19:06:24 | diddystar5 | were they good? |
19:06:27 | quelsaruk | and i had to buy them, because they where great! |
19:06:34 | pimlottc | huh |
19:06:38 | gizz | heya Merwin |
19:06:42 | pimlottc | they are b&o brand? |
19:06:45 | quelsaruk | they were 120₪ |
19:06:57 | diddystar5 | *g* |
19:07:18 | pimlottc | huh |
19:07:28 | pimlottc | I have not heard anything about b&o headphones |
19:08:06 | gizz | zagor: when will you close tshirt submissions ? |
19:08:12 | diddystar5 | those earbuds from b&o looksweeeeeeeeeeeet |
19:08:22 | diddystar5 | 31'st |
19:08:31 | quelsaruk | ¿? |
19:08:47 | quelsaruk | i don't understand that |
19:08:59 | diddystar5 | august 31 |
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19:10:21 | quelsaruk | pimlottc: get into http://www.bang-olufsen.com/ and choose nothamerica |
19:10:27 | diddystar5 | opps accsidentally press x |
19:10:37 | quelsaruk | you can see there my earphones |
19:10:38 | quelsaruk | :) |
19:10:54 | diddystar5 | damn those buds there look so good just can't afford them like everything else! |
19:10:55 | pimlottc | beosound 2? |
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19:11:37 | quelsaruk | no.. just hte earphones |
19:12:11 | linuxstb | pimlottc - to answer your questions about US websites - the problem I have found is that a lot of the phones mentioned are either hard to find in the UK, or the price is a lot different. Hence the request for a local site. I'll do some googling. |
19:13:24 | pimlottc | linuxstb - I'd still hit those sites. alot of good headphones are european like sennheisers and are actually cheaper in the uk than in us |
19:14:03 | diddystar5 | i'm jealous of the ipods |
19:14:15 | diddystar5 | uahhh so sexy looking |
19:14:16 | pimlottc | quelsaruk - what is the name of just the headphones |
19:14:26 | quelsaruk | just earphones |
19:14:38 | quelsaruk | nothing else |
19:15:00 | pimlottc | there is no model # or soemthing |
19:15:06 | linuxstb | pimlottc - yes, I'll still look at those sites. Thanks. |
19:15:14 | diddystar5 | hey snorlax ya gonna do the sound mod? |
19:15:44 | * | Snorlax is gonna do the sound mod |
19:15:59 | pimlottc | quelsaruk - I think the model is A8 |
19:16:13 | quelsaruk | i don't know the model name |
19:16:35 | quelsaruk | they just have one kind of earphones.. at least in spain |
19:16:35 | * | diddystar5 needs to get the parts and do it when mom isn't around so she don't get map |
19:16:50 | diddystar5 | *mad |
19:17:15 | * | Snorlax guesses that diddystars mom paid for his jukebox |
19:17:29 | diddystar5 | she paid for some of it |
19:17:53 | diddystar5 | no she gets ad any time i do mods although most of them work |
19:18:36 | Snorlax | what more mods have u done?! |
19:18:45 | pimlottc | the reviews I see about the B&O is they are really sharp looking but the sound is not that great |
19:18:51 | diddystar5 | just puter mods and simpler mods |
19:19:11 | Snorlax | puter mod? what does that mean? |
19:19:21 | diddystar5 | and she realy got mad when i put a new laser in my playstation |
19:19:23 | pimlottc | they do look pretty cool tho |
19:19:34 | diddystar5 | puter: omputer |
19:19:36 | pimlottc | computer = 'puter |
19:19:37 | diddystar5 | *c |
19:19:52 | quelsaruk | pimlottc: they sound quite good |
19:19:53 | Snorlax | ok, how old are u? |
19:20:03 | Zagor | linuxstb: I recommend the Sony EX70. They close out sound really good, and sound better than almost everything else. |
19:20:04 | diddystar5 | 12 *g* |
19:20:29 | Snorlax | whaqt does *g* mean!? |
19:20:36 | diddystar5 | ike gee |
19:20:40 | diddystar5 | *like |
19:20:43 | Zagor | don't know a european web shop, though. bought mine retail here in stockholm |
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19:21:21 | Snorlax | me too! |
19:21:28 | quelsaruk | or the Sennheiser MX500 for only 18₪ |
19:21:42 | diddystar5 | ahh i mleavin back to reogn tomarrow |
19:21:51 | * | merwin- is going to dallas today |
19:21:55 | diddystar5 | damn laptop |
19:21:58 | | Nick merwin- is now known as merwin (merwin@1Cust97.tnt7.new-orleans.la.da.uu.net) |
19:22:11 | * | diddystar5 will be in dallas tomarrow |
19:22:18 | merwin | heh |
19:22:30 | Snorlax | where are u, cuz you're in a hotelroom, right? |
19:22:41 | diddystar5 | so damn hard to type on a laptop |
19:22:43 | merwin | I'm in new orleans right now... i travel for a living |
19:22:55 | diddystar5 | no i with my gran parents |
19:23:00 | merwin | diddystar5: I've got a compaq armada laptop... not the best for being stable, but great laptops indeed |
19:23:14 | diddystar5 | yeah |
19:23:24 | diddystar5 | keyboard socramped |
19:23:36 | diddystar5 | i have a natural keyboard at home |
19:25:17 | diddystar5 | ahh which the archos could harge to 80% in a hour like the ipod |
19:26:34 | Snorlax | I charge my batteries 100% in an hour with my GP charger |
19:27:16 | diddystar5 | gp charger? |
19:27:42 | Snorlax | gp is the brand of the charger |
19:27:58 | diddystar5 | cool volts? mAH? |
19:28:48 | Snorlax | http://www.gpina.com/consumer/batterychargers/index.htm |
19:28:54 | Snorlax | I got the 1 hour charger |
19:29:38 | Zagor | then again, we have longer playback than the ipod. so who's crying :-) |
19:29:38 | diddystar5 | have you found any of the 1900 mA batts from panasonic yet? |
19:30:13 | Snorlax | we do? what is the playback time on ipod? |
19:30:25 | diddystar5 | 10 hours |
19:30:30 | Zagor | "iPod's rechargeable lithium polymer battery gives you 10 hours of continuous playback." |
19:30:43 | diddystar5 | but the ipod user can't easily putin new battery |
19:30:44 | Snorlax | ok so I got less.. |
19:30:51 | merwin | Zagor: if we used lithium polymer, we'd be getting about 15 hours of playback :) |
19:30:58 | merwin | Zagor: when should we undefine the customizable wps? |
19:31:06 | diddystar5 | can that be putin the archos? |
19:31:09 | Zagor | merwin: not really. we'd just get a lighter (and more expensive) archos |
19:31:25 | Zagor | merwin: when it works for recorder too. get busy! ;) |
19:31:34 | merwin | Zagor: If it's anything like cell phones, the time shoots up :) |
19:31:42 | merwin | Zagor: it does work for the recorder, it's just not implemented |
19:31:59 | merwin | Zagor: and i have no way of testing it, since i cant compile the simulators |
19:32:09 | Zagor | do you have multiline support now, then? |
19:32:19 | Zagor | can't compile simulators? why not? |
19:32:21 | merwin | Zagor: yeah, it allows you to specify an x and a y |
19:32:28 | merwin | Zagor: i'm using cygwin... it doesn't like compiling the sims |
19:32:41 | Zagor | ok |
19:33:00 | Zagor | x and y? did you document that anywhere? |
19:33:03 | merwin | Zagor: the only reason that the player isn't multiline configurable is because of the time display. I'll have to rewrite how the wps handles time updating before we can do multiline configurable |
19:33:31 | merwin | Zagor: it's not really documented yet |
19:33:38 | merwin | Zagor: but pretty self explainatory if you look at it |
19:33:45 | pimlottc | ya I was going to ask about that |
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19:34:09 | pimlottc | I prefered the player wps in 1.2 w/o the time |
19:34:24 | merwin | pimlottc: it's still there... 2 line id3 |
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19:34:50 | diddystar5 | .me is playing Rolling Stones - Little red Riding Hood on a archos jukebox 5000 running rockbox |
19:34:55 | pimlottc | not in the last cvs |
19:34:58 | pimlottc | at least not by default |
19:35:14 | merwin | pimlottc: it's in the wps settings |
19:35:28 | merwin | pimlottc: you have 1 line id3, 2 line id3, filename, parsing, and custom wps (if enabled) |
19:35:35 | pimlottc | ah |
19:35:51 | pimlottc | I'll look at that when I get home |
19:36:04 | merwin | :) |
19:36:21 | pimlottc | just barely started on this |
19:36:22 | Snorlax | diddystar what volume/bass/treble settings u use when out with people(on the bus,subway etc.) |
19:36:26 | merwin | Zagor: i could implement it into the recorder, but I don't know what the results would be :) |
19:36:28 | pimlottc | was adding a wps format |
19:36:33 | diddystar5 | can you please make the id3 lines like this: "song title" by artist ? |
19:36:38 | Zagor | merwin: :-) |
19:36:57 | merwin | diddystar5: that's the custom wps :) |
19:37:00 | diddystar5 | i keep it at 12/12 all the time |
19:37:00 | Zagor | diddystar5: no. we'll have configurable wps soon, and then you can make it whatever you want |
19:37:07 | diddystar5 | good! |
19:37:24 | diddystar5 | sry i mean 13/13/ |
19:37:31 | merwin | diddystar5: what volume? |
19:37:33 | pimlottc | so have you thought more about making the wps more flexible |
19:37:47 | pimlottc | like aligning fields at different positions |
19:37:52 | Zagor | pimlottc: "configurable" means "flexible" |
19:38:01 | merwin | pimlottc: recorder or player? |
19:38:01 | Zagor | or at least implies |
19:38:03 | pimlottc | player |
19:38:13 | merwin | pimlottc: again, custom wps :) |
19:38:17 | pimlottc | and more flexible means more flexible |
19:38:23 | pimlottc | I know merwin |
19:38:26 | pimlottc | I'm talking about expanding wps |
19:38:35 | merwin | Zagor: WPS really needs to be re-written a bit |
19:38:39 | diddystar5 | 76% u sally soe song i have are soft so then i turn it up |
19:38:51 | pimlottc | wps lts you configure the string but the stirng is always placed at the start of the line and scrolls through the entire line if needed |
19:38:52 | merwin | diddystar5: cool, but don't call me sally |
19:38:53 | merwin | :) |
19:39:06 | pimlottc | is that not correct? |
19:39:10 | merwin | pimlottc: correct |
19:39:15 | Zagor | merwin: yes, it will be rewritten soon |
19:39:16 | * | diddystar5 laughs im typing on a damn laptop |
19:39:22 | merwin | Zagor: can we have it only scroll through part of a line? |
19:39:25 | pimlottc | I'm talking about beyond like |
19:39:30 | pimlottc | right like scroll only part |
19:39:44 | pimlottc | or having a field be right-aligned |
19:39:44 | Zagor | merwin: yes. you can scroll part of a line |
19:40:02 | pimlottc | as the format is outlined that's not possible so far |
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19:40:33 | merwin | pimlottc: well, as the format is outlined it's not possible. as the function is outlined, it is. I just have to make a couple additions to the format |
19:40:40 | pimlottc | right |
19:40:45 | pimlottc | that's what I am thinking about |
19:40:49 | merwin | Zagor: multiline scrolling would be nice too |
19:40:50 | merwin | :) |
19:40:52 | pimlottc | how to set up the format for such things |
19:41:00 | pimlottc | and what such things to add |
19:41:53 | merwin | Zagor: in a case statemt, how do i check for CR or LF in a character? |
19:42:07 | diddystar5 | o zagor the firmware is loaded into the same chip as song file right? |
19:42:12 | Zagor | case 13: case 11: |
19:42:21 | merwin | Zagor: great, thanks |
19:42:22 | Zagor | case '\r': case '\n': |
19:42:27 | Zagor | is better |
19:42:38 | Zagor | diddystar5: yes |
19:47:09 | diddystar5 | is it possible to oull the isd 200 out and solder in a isd 300? |
19:47:14 | diddystar5 | *pull |
19:47:44 | diddystar5 | or would you just have to replace the whole board |
19:48:17 | Zagor | diddystar5: you can't |
19:48:36 | merwin | diddystar5: ouch, you're really having problems with that keyboard :) |
19:48:47 | diddystar5 | i know |
19:48:55 | diddystar5 | i hate this damn laptop |
19:49:21 | pimlottc | I'll take it |
19:49:24 | merwin | diddystar5: what kind of laptop? |
19:49:41 | diddystar5 | this is a hp ze1110 |
19:49:59 | merwin | diddystar5: hmm...haven't seen those before |
19:50:45 | diddystar5 | has a amd duron p at 1ghz 20 gig hd 16xdvd |
19:51:05 | merwin | mmm... like the amd athlon/duron |
19:51:13 | merwin | i've only got a p3-700 |
19:51:25 | diddystar5 | no ifference then the pentium |
19:52:07 | merwin | diddystar5: except half the price :) |
19:52:38 | diddystar5 | at home i have a compaq (dunno model) 1 ghz 8x4x32 cd-rw 12xdvd 40 gig hd |
19:53:07 | diddystar5 | and a old compaq 7222at 100mhz 1 gig hd 4xcd |
19:53:40 | diddystar5 | and the 1 ghx is a p-3 |
19:54:47 | diddystar5 | the old compaq is very stable though |
19:55:03 | diddystar5 | rarly has a problem |
19:55:39 | merwin | Zagor: mind if i center the starting Rockbox! logo on the player? it was brought up by someone else, and actually makes it look better |
19:56:05 | diddystar5 | i like it centered |
19:56:20 | Zagor | merwin: go ahead |
19:57:01 | merwin | hmm... what file is it in? |
19:57:05 | diddystar5 | when you gonna post up the next build? |
19:57:26 | Zagor | diddystar5: look at daily builds. there's a new build every 20 minutes |
19:57:38 | merwin | diddystar5: i'm going to throw up a cvs update in a few minutes for handling \r\n in the custom wps, and the centered logo |
19:57:40 | diddystar5 | oooo |
19:58:04 | diddystar5 | cool |
19:58:27 | merwin | diddystar5: the handling of the \r\n is basically ignoring it right now, but hey :) |
19:59:46 | diddystar5 | o well |
20:00 |
20:00:13 | merwin | multiline custom wps will be in a day or two |
20:00:23 | merwin | probably friday night, since that's my next long flight :) |
20:00:24 | diddystar5 | are you going to throw in gamebox? |
20:00:44 | merwin | diddystar5: i'm not |
20:00:47 | merwin | diddystar5: not sure who is |
20:01:15 | merwin | diddystar5: let someone more experienced handle that one :) |
20:02:06 | diddystar5 | ahh im going to list for et on seti@home for a while >:) |
20:02:12 | diddystar5 | *isten |
20:02:29 | diddystar5 | geez i just cant type |
20:03:00 | merwin | diddystar5: I have no problem with my compaq armada laptop... and i've got a natural at home. |
20:03:11 | merwin | diddystar5: i've also been using this laptop for 2 years now :) |
20:03:27 | diddystar5 | sry i never use laptop |
20:03:27 | diddystar5 | big chang for me |
20:03:36 | quelsaruk | bye! |
20:03:40 | merwin | bye! |
20:03:43 | | Quit quelsaruk ("Aplicaciףn Saliendo") |
20:03:43 | diddystar5 | bye! |
20:04:06 | merwin | Zagor: on the main webpage, click on widgets.c ... you get a python error |
20:04:18 | merwin | Zagor: or any of them rather |
20:04:48 | Zagor | that's sourceforge. nothing I can do. |
20:05:25 | Zagor | looks like they're working on it |
20:07:59 | merwin | k |
20:09:24 | * | merwin needs to haul ass if he's going to get ready and get to his flight |
20:10:11 | merwin | 2 years, over 300 flights, and I haven't missed a single one |
20:11:07 | | Part LinusN|bathtub |
20:11:50 | merwin | Linus's computer must be very wet if he's using it in the bathtub |
20:12:15 | diddystar5 | huh? |
20:12:22 | diddystar5 | lol |
20:13:00 | diddystar5 | well go houl ass then! |
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20:13:44 | merwin | sometime i'm going to add up all the flights i've taken. i've never really thought about it too much. It's probably more like 400 |
20:13:56 | merwin | this week i'm on 6 :P |
20:14:20 | * | merwin is like that "can you hear me now?" guy... except with a brain |
20:14:32 | diddystar5 | can you make the red led light u when being used on usb? |
20:14:43 | merwin | diddystar5: of course you could |
20:14:48 | merwin | diddystar5: it would use battery though |
20:15:05 | Zagor | we can't use it as drive light in usb mode. we don't control the disk then. |
20:15:05 | diddystar5 | dont care dont us usb to much |
20:15:17 | diddystar5 | ok |
20:15:23 | merwin | Zagor: but you could have the red light on though |
20:15:46 | diddystar5 | i dont want that |
20:16:00 | diddystar5 | just a ide indicator |
20:16:02 | merwin | diddystar5: oh, i thought that is what you meant :) |
20:17:36 | merwin | what's the web address for that yahoo poll of the rockbox popularity? |
20:18:04 | diddystar5 | dunno |
20:18:13 | diddystar5 | quite popuar im sure |
20:18:47 | merwin | Zagor: hats off to you and your project manager skills btw :) |
20:19:34 | pimlottc | aah zagor = bjorn |
20:19:38 | pimlottc | you the man zagor |
20:19:48 | Zagor | merwin: heh, thanks. what brought this on? |
20:20:17 | merwin | Zagor: I just realized that rockbox has in fact surpassed every feature of the archos firmware |
20:20:30 | diddystar5 | yep! |
20:20:37 | diddystar5 | and quite better now |
20:20:43 | merwin | and for less money than archos :) |
20:20:55 | diddystar5 | yep |
20:20:56 | merwin | it probably cost them a good $30,000 to make theirs |
20:21:00 | Zagor | not quite. we still don't a) record b) create playlists. but we're close. |
20:21:12 | Zagor | gotta go make food. see you later. |
20:21:15 | merwin | ttyl |
20:21:17 | | Nick Zagor is now known as Zagor|food (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) |
20:21:17 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Zagor|food |
20:21:29 | diddystar5 | and just because rockbox is nice enough to make it free i m gonna donate some if i can |
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20:21:41 | * | merwin is going to shut down and haul ass :) |
20:21:52 | | Quit merwin () |
20:21:53 | diddystar5 | be merwin |
20:21:58 | diddystar5 | bye |
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20:33:00 | | Join Silly_Fly [0] (luk@192.117.3.244) |
20:33:42 | Silly_Fly | is there a procedure for getting a random number? |
20:35:04 | Zagor|food | Silly_Fly: rand() |
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20:35:40 | Silly_Fly | Zagor : 10x. |
20:36:01 | Silly_Fly | lcd coords (for recorder) starts from 0 right? |
20:36:36 | Silly_Fly | and about rand, is it int rand (range) ? |
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20:43:51 | Silly_Fly | "warning: implicit declaration of function `rand'" |
20:44:01 | Silly_Fly | where is rand defined? |
20:47:50 | Silly_Fly | anyone here?????? |
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20:51:31 | diddystar5 | lunch is over |
20:53:04 | pimlottc | #include <stdlib.h> // rand(); |
20:57:11 | Silly_Fly | oh, rand returns a float between 0-1...... (right?) |
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21:02:06 | diddystar5 | the mid-track resume works good |
21:02:24 | | Quit diddystar5 ("bye!") |
21:03:30 | Silly_Fly | I dowloaded the latest CVS version, and I can't see the top bar. why is that? (there is a clear line at the top, and F3 toggles it...) |
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21:27:14 | diddystar5 | i have a few small scratches on my archos does anyone know a good paint or someting? |
21:31:32 | | Nick Zagor|food is now known as Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) |
21:31:32 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Zagor |
21:31:45 | Zagor | Silly_Fly: no rand() returns an int |
21:32:12 | Zagor | declared in firmware/include/stdlib.h |
21:33:11 | diddystar5 | hey zagor? a good paint or someting for scratches on the archos? |
21:33:39 | Zagor | i don't know. I've heard some people use clear nail polish to avoid rubbing the paint off they keys, but that's all |
21:34:06 | diddystar5 | hum ill look around |
21:35:03 | Snorlax | every swede in here check this out:http://svcd.dvdrip.nu/alaget.htm |
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21:36:03 | | Nick money is now known as Silly_Fly (luk@192.117.3.86) |
21:37:19 | Silly_Fly | any replies about my missing top bar (while I was gone?)? |
21:48:14 | Zagor | missing top bar? |
21:49:33 | Silly_Fly | yep. |
21:49:52 | Silly_Fly | it's clear. and pressing F3 toggles the clear line...... |
21:51:45 | Zagor | heh, nice ;) |
21:52:45 | Silly_Fly | but, I kinda want to be able to see volume, battery etc............. |
21:53:05 | Zagor | don't you ever get it? not even in wps? |
21:53:23 | Silly_Fly | no. just checked. wps missing it too..... |
21:53:49 | Zagor | did you build yourself or 1.3? |
21:54:31 | Silly_Fly | downloaded latest CVS (about 30 minutes ago) and built.... |
21:54:53 | Zagor | ok |
21:57:04 | diddystar5 | are more sound setting going/can be added in the future? |
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22:00:17 | Silly_Fly | downloaded 1.3, and I get the top bar..... |
22:00:27 | diddystar5 | good |
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22:00:52 | Silly_Fly | any ideas why I won't get it on my build? |
22:01:10 | diddystar5 | what rom firm do you have? |
22:01:23 | Silly_Fly | 1.24 |
22:01:37 | Zagor | run "cvs -q status | grep Status | grep -v Up-to" and you'll see what files are changed |
22:01:57 | diddystar5 | dang you have the OLD stuff |
22:02:49 | Silly_Fly | it's recorder, not player, so not that old I guess... (or is it?) |
22:03:00 | diddystar5 | ooooo |
22:03:10 | diddystar5 | not really |
22:04:10 | Silly_Fly | cvs [update aborted]: connect to cvs.rockbox.sourceforge.net(usw-pr-cvs.sourceforge.net):2401 failed: A connection attempt failed because the connected party did not properly respond after a period of time, or established connection failed because connected host has failed to respond. |
22:04:34 | Silly_Fly | (I use tortiseCVS) |
22:04:42 | Zagor | works for me |
22:04:42 | diddystar5 | it's sourceforge maybe? |
22:05:25 | diddystar5 | i think sourceforge has been doing something |
22:06:38 | diddystar5 | bye |
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22:07:00 | langhaarrocker | again int vs short: do you expect any performance differences? |
22:07:36 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: possibly. depends on what you are doing. |
22:08:01 | langhaarrocker | say I was iterating through an array of ints instead of an array of shorts. |
22:09:32 | Zagor | hmm, i can't remember how the sh-1 treats shorts... |
22:10:13 | langhaarrocker | I'm ashamed to admit that I don't even know what the 7032 is: a 16 bit processor? |
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22:12:07 | Silly_Fly | well, I deleted status.o and librockbox.a and built again. now I get the top bar, but menus don't start with first chice as default (ie. no arrow) |
22:13:18 | Silly_Fly | plus, when trying to move up at the first item, the arrow jumps to the battery indicator.... (that's quite funny..) |
22:15:04 | Zagor | well what code did you change? |
22:15:14 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: no, it's a 32-bit processor |
22:16:01 | Silly_Fly | nm. deleted all .o's and all .a's and rebuilt. now it's all fine..... |
22:16:09 | Zagor | the thing is some 32-bit processors (such as the PowerPC) are much faster handling 32-bit ints than 16-bit. but I don't know if that's true for the sh-1 too. |
22:16:26 | Zagor | Silly_Fly: "make clean" is a good command :-) |
22:16:43 | langhaarrocker | Silly_Fly: What's your topic? Building the simulator? |
22:18:00 | | Nick Silly_Fly is now known as Silly_away (luk@192.117.3.86) |
22:18:07 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: Thanx for info. That's what I'd have assumed, too |
22:24:58 | langhaarrocker | I still can't get the uisimulator running. Someone mentioned that in combination with cygwin you should use the cross compiler from merwin.bespin.org/sh1cygwin">http://merwin.bespin.org/sh1cygwin . Is that really necessary? I have a working gnush installed which I build the ajbrec.ajz with. I just can't build the uisimulator. |
22:25:49 | Zagor | the simulators don't need cross compilers. |
22:27:22 | langhaarrocker | That's what I assumed. But when I run the makefile generatend by tools/configure it will tell me |
22:27:22 | langhaarrocker | sh-elf-gcc -W -Wall -O -m1 -nostdlib -ffreestanding -Wstrict-prototypes -Iinclud |
22:27:22 | langhaarrocker | e -I. -Icommon -Idrivers -DARCHOS_RECORDER -fomit-frame-pointer -fschedule-insn |
22:27:22 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK langhaarrocker |
22:27:22 | langhaarrocker | s -c drivers/adc.c -o /home/perterm/cvshome/build/drivers/adc.o |
22:27:22 | langhaarrocker | Assembler messages: |
22:27:23 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
22:27:23 | langhaarrocker | FATAL: can't create /home/perterm/cvshome/build/drivers/adc.o: No such file or d |
22:27:25 | langhaarrocker | irectory |
22:27:27 | langhaarrocker | make[1]: *** [/home/perterm/cvshome/build/drivers/adc.o] Error 1 |
22:27:29 | langhaarrocker | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/perterm/cvshome/firmware' |
22:27:31 | langhaarrocker | make: *** [firmware] Error 2 |
22:28:07 | langhaarrocker | Ah, sorry, mixed up my own questions. |
22:28:20 | langhaarrocker | thats not about building the uisimulator. |
22:28:40 | langhaarrocker | (but still a phenomenon) |
22:30:57 | langhaarrocker | Oh, just found something helpful: the Makefile.vc6 seems to work |
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22:40:07 | Silly_Fly | does contrast affect power usage? |
22:41:31 | langhaarrocker | I don't really know but judging how long my digital watch lasts with one battery I'd consider it as neglectible. |
22:43:37 | Silly_Fly | about the 'buffer size' in info. what does it mean??? |
22:43:53 | Silly_Fly | caus'e it's been rising since 1.2.... |
22:43:56 | langhaarrocker | Hm. Shouldn't the simulated RockBox have similarities with the real one? Has anybody compiled a uisimulator for windows? |
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22:44:51 | Silly_Fly | oh, it's 'Buffer' not 'buffer size' ;) |
22:45:23 | langhaarrocker | Silly_Fly: Isn't that the amount of ram that's free for bufferint mp3 files? |
22:45:32 | langhaarrocker | buffering |
22:45:33 | Zagor | yes it is |
22:45:53 | Silly_Fly | so why in 1.2 it was 1.46 and now it's 1.74?? |
22:46:09 | Zagor | because we use less ram for the program now |
22:46:24 | Silly_Fly | oh. cool. |
22:46:40 | Zagor | we skipped malloc() (128 KB) and the 16-bit bitswap (128KB), to name a few |
22:47:37 | langhaarrocker | what does skip mean here? No malloc no more? |
22:47:56 | Zagor | no malloc |
22:48:04 | Silly_Fly | well, another question (as long as there is no other discussion in here :) : how correct is the battery level %? |
22:48:32 | Zagor | it's fairly correct. but it's a voltage level, not "battery time" level |
22:48:53 | Zagor | so it will decrease slow in the beginning and then faster. sort of a ketchup effect ;) |
22:50:31 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: seems docs\API need an update |
22:50:32 | langhaarrocker | are realloc and calloc still available? |
22:50:54 | Zagor | no they are not. and yes, docs/API needs updates. all docs always does :) |
22:51:02 | Zagor | no dynamic memory |
22:52:15 | dwihno|gone | An idea for the charger before I go to bed. Perhaps it's possible to tweak the charging to make it possible to charge 1800 mAh batteries with rockbox ... ? |
22:52:36 | Zagor | dwihno|gone: it is already possible. what made you think otherwise? |
22:52:49 | langhaarrocker | And I thought that dynamic memory was all the fun that was programming in c about. |
22:53:21 | langhaarrocker | Now it becomes difficult to program memory holes. |
22:53:25 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: hehe. no, dynamic memory is 90% of all the bugs programming in C give you :) |
22:53:41 | dwihno|gone | Zagor: I once recalled somebody saying the batteries won't get enough voltage to keep a high load |
22:54:01 | Zagor | dwihno|gone: somebody was wrong. I charge my 1800mAh all the time. |
22:54:37 | langhaarrocker | You charge them all the time and they're still not full? ;) |
22:54:43 | Zagor | :) |
22:57:00 | dwihno|gone | hahahahahahaha |
22:57:07 | dwihno|gone | you rule, haarrocker :) |
22:57:50 | dwihno|gone | you too Zagor |
22:57:56 | dwihno|gone | Even if you are the Code Police (tm) :) |
22:58:08 | Zagor | that's why I rule! :) |
22:58:19 | dwihno|gone | :) |
22:58:45 | langhaarrocker | seems zagor ruled a bug in my code... |
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22:59:10 | * | dwihno|gone hands Zagor and langhaarrocker some nice kalvsylta |
22:59:43 | dwihno|gone | Time to read some mail before /dev/bed |
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23:00:28 | langhaarrocker | Is there anybody around who can lend me a hand building the uisimulator for windows? |
23:00:53 | langhaarrocker | Still I don't believe it works correctly. |
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23:01:10 | pimlottc | I had weirdness building the simulator for linux too |
23:01:21 | dwihno|gone | Bagder: what's wrong with the 'N' ? |
23:01:29 | Zagor | I have never built for windows, so I don't know |
23:01:33 | pimlottc | just skipped right to downloading it to the player |
23:01:52 | Bagder | dwihno|gone: I want it to look more like N and not like an oversized n ;-) |
23:01:53 | langhaarrocker | I get some uisw32.exe but that doesn't do anything similar to the real thing. |
23:02:31 | dwihno|gone | Bagder: Stop living in the 80's for crying out loud! :) |
23:02:47 | Bagder | 80s? |
23:02:58 | dwihno|gone | Well, 90s then :) |
23:03:10 | Bagder | you ever seen an alphabet? B) |
23:03:22 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: you don't have a Visual C compiler to try with? |
23:03:29 | dwihno|gone | erhm, I say like my friend Kilterr. He says "arr brrr crr drrr error" |
23:03:35 | langhaarrocker | vc6 |
23:03:47 | Zagor | should work with that. i think edx uses that. |
23:04:15 | langhaarrocker | I tried the Makefile.v6. That build something. |
23:04:44 | langhaarrocker | But the simulator seems to have a completely broken rockbox in it. |
23:04:45 | dwihno|gone | Bagder: seriousley though, I'll get the font ready for the loadable font part... I'm having a job interview the upcoming week, so I got some catching up to do with some of my skills :) |
23:05:30 | Bagder | dwihno|gone: it'll be very fine to get it loadable indeed |
23:06:30 | dwihno|gone | Bagder: How come loadable fonts aren't enabled by default btw? |
23:06:52 | Bagder | dwihno|gone: they will be in 1.4, they were too late for 1.3 |
23:07:03 | Bagder | it doesn't work 100% |
23:07:06 | Bagder | afaik |
23:07:22 | dwihno|gone | mkay |
23:07:33 | dwihno|gone | As long as nothing is rushed, I'm ok :) |
23:07:52 | dwihno|gone | I got והצ + propfonts, so I've been satisfied with rockbox for months ;) |
23:08:25 | Zagor | the main thing loadable fonts lack is support for propfonts |
23:08:45 | dwihno|gone | which part? |
23:08:54 | dwihno|gone | the loading or the displaying or the memory storing? |
23:09:08 | Zagor | all of it |
23:09:17 | Bagder | ? |
23:09:23 | Bagder | the loading should support it |
23:09:28 | Bagder | the format supports |
23:09:34 | Zagor | does it? ajf? |
23:09:39 | Bagder | and even the code seems to have measures to support it |
23:09:49 | Bagder | yes |
23:10:08 | Zagor | should be simple to make it work, then |
23:10:45 | Bagder | I'll have a look soon, once I get a prop loadable font to test with |
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23:11:08 | Zagor | i have a few. you want one? |
23:11:18 | Bagder | sure |
23:13:32 | Bagder | thanks |
23:13:53 | Zagor | that font also has some chars beyond iso-8859-1 |
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23:17:14 | diddystar5 | hey badger |
23:17:23 | Bagder | hey ho |
23:18:43 | diddystar5 | will custom wps be up on friday? |
23:19:11 | langhaarrocker | does anybody use wincvs? |
23:19:27 | adi|home | Zagor.. i got the snow.c submission working.. |
23:19:32 | adi|home | any prob if i add it to cvs? |
23:19:41 | Bagder | we should ask merwin to make the custom wps default in the builds |
23:19:48 | diddystar5 | whats the snow.c? |
23:20:07 | diddystar5 | o so hes the on on it |
23:20:48 | Bagder | merwin is the author of custom wps stuff |
23:20:58 | diddystar5 | ok |
23:21:10 | diddystar5 | hey badgerhe sayed in a couple days |
23:21:24 | diddystar5 | he will have it |
23:22:06 | Zagor | adi|home: i'm sceptical. it's just nonsense, i'm not sure we should include every little thing people do. |
23:22:35 | diddystar5 | i think anything useful and fun should be included |
23:22:48 | Zagor | how is a snow simulation useful? |
23:23:09 | diddystar5 | but if the mod file starts getting to big, some should be put on the hdand used when selected |
23:23:50 | diddystar5 | can that be done? |
23:24:11 | adi|home | hehe no less useful then boxes or bounce ;) |
23:24:18 | adi|home | besides.. ive been giving it thought |
23:24:19 | pimlottc | zagor - well, some people are from tropical climates |
23:24:29 | diddystar5 | lol |
23:24:35 | * | Bagder giggles |
23:24:35 | langhaarrocker | :) |
23:24:36 | adi|home | have we decided how we are giving users a choice on builds? |
23:24:48 | Bagder | not really |
23:24:50 | adi|home | ie: not with games/ss/ stuff like that? |
23:25:03 | Bagder | we need to make a 'config' system |
23:25:07 | adi|home | might i toss out an idea about it? |
23:25:08 | adi|home | nods |
23:25:12 | adi|home | thats what i was thinking |
23:25:28 | pimlottc | let's port dpkg! |
23:25:29 | diddystar5 | but couldn't all the games just be stored seperatly on the hd and be opened by the rockbox? |
23:25:42 | adi|home | we could do something along the lines of : Tetris = 1 |
23:25:43 | Zagor | I just discovered Slimp3 has an id3 search function. we should look at their database and how they do things. |
23:25:58 | adi|home | and if it's 1, then we have it as a menu option, else its not there.. |
23:26:06 | langhaarrocker | Just wished the Makefile configure produced worked in my environment... |
23:26:21 | Bagder | langhaarrocker: you run windows? |
23:26:21 | Zagor | diddystar5: then you'd have to choose "music *or* games". most people want both. |
23:26:31 | langhaarrocker | bagder: yepp |
23:26:39 | langhaarrocker | with cygwin. |
23:26:47 | diddystar5 | well the game ouldn't take up all the ram would it? |
23:26:56 | Bagder | langhaarrocker: then adjust it so it works and submit the patches ;-) |
23:27:04 | diddystar5 | so coulbn't they both be on the same chip |
23:27:20 | hardeep | the makefile configure produces works with cygwin |
23:27:25 | hardeep | that's what i use for all my builds |
23:27:36 | diddystar5 | merwin also does |
23:28:32 | langhaarrocker | mine says: |
23:28:32 | langhaarrocker | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/perterm/cvshome/firmware' |
23:28:32 | langhaarrocker | sh-elf-gcc -W -Wall -O -m1 -nostdlib -ffreestanding -Wstrict-prototypes -Iinclud |
23:28:32 | langhaarrocker | e -I. -Icommon -Idrivers -DARCHOS_RECORDER -fomit-frame-pointer -fschedule-insn |
23:28:32 | langhaarrocker | s -c drivers/adc.c -o /home/perterm/cvshome/build/drivers/adc.o |
23:28:33 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
23:28:33 | langhaarrocker | Assembler messages: |
23:28:35 | langhaarrocker | FATAL: can't create /home/perterm/cvshome/build/drivers/adc.o: No such file or d |
23:28:37 | langhaarrocker | irectory |
23:28:39 | langhaarrocker | make[1]: *** [/home/perterm/cvshome/build/drivers/adc.o] Error 1 |
23:28:41 | langhaarrocker | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/perterm/cvshome/firmware' |
23:28:43 | langhaarrocker | make: *** [firmware] Error 2 |
23:28:44 | hardeep | make sure you use the sh1 compiler generated for cygwin by merwin |
23:28:56 | hardeep | it understands the cygwin pathnames |
23:29:06 | langhaarrocker | forgot do download it at workl |
23:29:06 | hardeep | merwin.bespin.org/sh1cygwin/">http://merwin.bespin.org/sh1cygwin/ |
23:30:21 | langhaarrocker | Thanx for the link again. I just thought that when I have a working gnush installed and the paths too it should'nt matter. But it seems that I'm wrong. |
23:30:55 | hardeep | gnush doesn't know how cygwin paths work, it's expecting the standard win32 paths |
23:31:14 | hardeep | if you want to use gnush, change the path in the Makefile to windows format |
23:31:38 | langhaarrocker | Ah, that sheds some light on my stupidity! |
23:33:29 | Bagder | Zagor: you run loadable fonts in the sim? |
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23:33:53 | Bagder | oh |
23:33:54 | Bagder | I do |
23:33:57 | Bagder | hehe |
23:34:16 | Zagor | Bagder: yes |
23:34:20 | Bagder | now I notice the letters are bigger than usual ;-) |
23:34:24 | Zagor | hehe |
23:34:34 | Bagder | silly me |
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23:37:38 | diddystar5 | humm i tried the archos frimware awhile ago so used to rockbox i fergot how to use the darn thing |
23:37:51 | diddystar5 | hehe |
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23:39:26 | langhaarrocker | In the Makefile produced by configure - how do I get a \ into my pathes. They all seem to be swallowed, even if I try with \\. |
23:40:09 | hardeep | langhaarrocker: use / |
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23:41:06 | langhaarrocker | wouldn't work due to wrong gnush configuration and my laziness to download from merwin.bespin.org/sh1cygwin/">http://merwin.bespin.org/sh1cygwin/ |
23:41:53 | langhaarrocker | Just hoped there was some kind of escape sequence that produces a \ |
23:43:08 | hardeep | \\ usually works, wonder what's wrong on cygwin |
23:45:31 | Zagor | I saw a crazy thing on the slimp3 just now. we *need* it |
23:45:51 | Zagor | figlet-style big-text for two-row display... |
23:46:21 | adi|home | huh? |
23:46:37 | Bagder | we need figlet ;-) |
23:46:45 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: Strange. In the makefile I have |
23:46:45 | langhaarrocker | THISDIR="\\home\\perterm\\cvshome\\build" |
23:46:45 | langhaarrocker | but it produces |
23:46:45 | langhaarrocker | mkdir: cannot create directory `homepertermcvshomebuild/.deps/common' |
23:46:56 | Zagor | |_| | |
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23:47:00 | Zagor | | | | |
23:47:05 | Zagor | buh |
23:47:10 | hardeep | laf |
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23:47:17 | hardeep | so one BIG line of text |
23:47:28 | Zagor | yeah. looks absolutely wacko. |
23:47:37 | Zagor | so we need it B-) |
23:48:23 | diddystar5 | for some reason about 3 weeks ago, i quickly turned off my player and turned it back on and there was on giant lie of text in stead of two |
23:48:42 | langhaarrocker | really a lie? |
23:48:46 | diddystar5 | no |
23:48:50 | adi|home | Zagor.. bagder and i were talking about the config files/options idea |
23:48:53 | diddystar5 | one line |
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23:49:04 | adi|home | mind if i snag your attention for a few? |
23:49:05 | diddystar5 | realy starnge |
23:50:09 | langhaarrocker | I vote for the config files idea |
23:50:25 | adi|home | you don't even know what it is yet ;) |
23:50:47 | Zagor | adi|home: fire at will |
23:51:06 | Zagor | diddystar5: like the boot logo, you mean? |
23:51:09 | langhaarrocker | I assumed is was something like the tools/configure? |
23:51:17 | diddystar5 | no the dir |
23:51:26 | adi|home | http://phobos.ramapo.edu/~rhak/misc/menu_example.cfg |
23:51:28 | diddystar5 | ire booted came up normal |
23:51:38 | adi|home | okay.. assume for this discussion only runtime config |
23:51:50 | Zagor | adi|home: looks good |
23:52:11 | adi|home | okay... would you have any prob if i tackle working on it for the games/ss as a start? |
23:52:17 | adi|home | sort guini pig it |
23:52:26 | Zagor | i don't quite see how you'd make that runtime though |
23:52:42 | langhaarrocker | like kernel modules? |
23:53:02 | Zagor | too much overhead |
23:53:29 | diddystar5 | not sure |
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23:54:37 | adi|home | well.. what i figure is that we do a read on boot and on usb exit |
23:54:40 | adi|home | and thats the only time |
23:54:54 | adi|home | then knowing if we are to display a menu item isnt an expensive check |
23:55:30 | Zagor | but is there really much of a point just hiding the menus but keeping the code? |
23:55:57 | adi|home | there is if we make the assumption that you want ppl to use the firmware w/o having to recompile |
23:56:00 | langhaarrocker | The aim is to free valuable ram by removing superfluous gadget code, isn't it? |
23:56:37 | adi|home | as a side note, this would only be the first step... |
23:56:47 | Zagor | but the people that want to do away with the games want the code gone, not just the menu... |
23:57:00 | adi|home | the other part that goes with this is having the config file read at compile time, and then not having those things compiled in. |
23:57:09 | adi|home | not nec. true |
23:57:13 | adi|home | take me fore example |
23:57:21 | adi|home | i don't _ever_ play with the bass or treble ext |
23:57:33 | adi|home | so wtf do i want a menu option taking up real estate? |
23:57:51 | diddystar5 | there should maybe be a option under general? |
23:57:58 | Zagor | do you pull the tone buttons off of your amplifier too? |
23:58:22 | adi|home | i may as well |
23:58:28 | adi|home | im tone deaf ;) |
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23:58:31 | diddystar5 | i like the bass/tre where they are i use them alot |
23:58:42 | adi|home | right.. an dyou can have them |
23:58:54 | adi|home | but why should i have to have the same settings for menu display that you have? |