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05:17:55 | wallie | anyone know if rockbox supports recording? |
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05:24:31 | freshmaker | anyone awake? |
05:24:53 | wallie | <yawnn...> |
05:26:51 | wallie | did the support for recording option made to the v1.4 freeze list? |
05:28:59 | freshmaker | wallie: as you see on the roadmap, recording is left for post 1.4 (read: 2.0) |
05:29:12 | wallie | arrrrr.... |
05:30:13 | wallie | can't wait....the current archos OS freezes up after about 20 min of recording |
05:31:05 | wallie | thx for pointing that out fresh... |
05:31:11 | freshmaker | let's hope that the rockbox FAT writing code will never mess up the file system... |
05:35:42 | wallie | never say never |
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08:41:31 | LinusN | yo Zagor! |
08:41:34 | Zagor | hi |
08:42:03 | LinusN | hehe, i forgot that i had merged mbr's USb patch when i committed yesterday :-) |
08:42:11 | Zagor | i noticed :-) |
08:42:31 | LinusN | i added a frequency detection to the hw info menu |
08:43:12 | LinusN | 1.17 seems to be a really messy version |
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08:44:35 | LinusN | and the version output at boot time seems to have little to do with the version info in ROM |
08:44:39 | LinusN | for 1.17 |
08:44:48 | LinusN | was that the very first version? |
08:45:01 | Zagor | it might be |
08:47:09 | LinusN | elinenbe said his boot screen said "1.17ia" |
08:47:18 | LinusN | and ROM version 1.15 |
08:48:06 | LinusN | and first he said it was 1.09, then changed to 1.17ia |
08:48:23 | LinusN | did it say 1.09 and changed to 1.17ia...? |
08:49:08 | LinusN | pre-1.24 seems to be a real mess |
08:56:38 | Schnueff | moin |
08:57:33 | LinusN | Schnueff: moin |
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08:58:20 | bobTHC | good morning all! |
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08:59:19 | LinusN | bobTHC: hi |
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09:02:44 | LinusN | bobTHC: when you boot your recorder, does it only say "1.17i" or does it say something else before that? |
09:03:00 | Schnueff | LinusN: i got my unit now. what should i measure? |
09:03:26 | LinusN | Schnueff: first of all, download the latest bleeding edge build |
09:03:47 | bobTHC | it display archos boot screen |
09:04:16 | LinusN | bobTHC: yes, but does the version number change? |
09:04:38 | bobTHC | no 1.17i is my rom version |
09:04:47 | Schnueff | LinusN: have |
09:04:56 | LinusN | bobTHC: ok, good |
09:05:27 | LinusN | bobTHC: i have seen indications of units displaying two version numbers even for the ROM version |
09:05:52 | LinusN | Schnueff: ok, first, go to meny->debug->view hw info |
09:05:59 | bobTHC | i only see one |
09:06:58 | Schnueff | [Hardware info]\nROM: 1.28\nMask: 0x0302\nUSB: positive\nATA: 0x200\nPR:positive\nFreq: 11.0592MHz |
09:08:06 | LinusN | Schnueff: great, now go to menu->debug->View I/O ports |
09:08:10 | Schnueff | yes |
09:08:25 | LinusN | then push all buttons except ON and OFF and report the AN4/AN5 readings to me |
09:08:47 | LinusN | bobTHC: canb you try the latest bleeding edge too? |
09:09:59 | Schnueff | F1: 191/0; F2: 265/0; F3: 3FF/0; UP: 333/0; RIGHT: 0/192; DOWN: 0/3FF; 0/265; PLAY: 0/333 |
09:10:20 | bobTHC | nope, sorry my unit is@home |
09:10:41 | mbr | morn all |
09:10:42 | Schnueff | have i won? |
09:10:44 | LinusN | bobTHC: did you know that the Archos is portable :-) |
09:10:53 | bobTHC | :) |
09:10:53 | LinusN | mbr: hi |
09:11:03 | bobTHC | no it's possible? |
09:12:58 | bobTHC | i just forgot it in an other bag... |
09:13:06 | LinusN | Schnueff: yes, you have the winning sequence! |
09:13:14 | Schnueff | gr8t! |
09:13:35 | Schnueff | btw, what about the t-shirts |
09:13:53 | Schnueff | :) |
09:17:06 | bobTHC | yes, what about the t-shirt |
09:17:09 | bobTHC | ;) |
09:17:14 | LinusN | Schnueff: waiting for the final desing from the artist |
09:21:27 | Schnueff | oki |
09:21:32 | LinusN | adi|home: do you have your recorder at hand? |
09:21:46 | adi|home | sure do.. |
09:21:48 | adi|home | what do you need? |
09:22:02 | LinusN | download the latest bleeding edge |
09:22:35 | adi|home | going |
09:22:43 | adi|home | okay.. ill _never_ understand this |
09:22:50 | adi|home | just got back from a call |
09:22:56 | adi|home | guy has chest pains for 3 days |
09:23:02 | adi|home | when does he call for an ambulanace? |
09:23:11 | adi|home | 2 am on a tuesday night |
09:23:13 | adi|home | moron |
09:23:26 | LinusN | :-) |
09:23:55 | adi|home | "have you eaten anything that didn't agree with you in that last few days?" initial answer: no |
09:23:58 | adi|home | anser 5 mins later |
09:24:09 | adi|home | "yeah.. so i had food poisoning on friday..." |
09:24:16 | adi|home | i damn near belted him |
09:24:16 | Zagor | haha |
09:24:36 | adi|home | "have you done anything physically strenuous lately?" answer: no |
09:24:39 | adi|home | 5 mins later |
09:24:48 | adi|home | "so i was moving furniture on sat..." |
09:24:50 | * | adi|home sighs |
09:24:57 | * | adi|home appologizes for venting |
09:26:32 | LinusN | adi|home: not much different from tech support either... |
09:26:35 | Zagor | sounds like normal pc diagnosing |
09:26:44 | Zagor | "what happened? It just stopped working!" |
09:26:51 | Zagor | "what did you do? Nothing!" |
09:27:01 | LinusN | I didn't install anything" |
09:27:03 | adi|home | heheh so what am i looking for with this new build? |
09:27:07 | LinusN | ...but my kids did... |
09:27:10 | Zagor | "what's that icon there? Oh, it's the new Kazaa I downloaded just now." |
09:27:27 | LinusN | adi|home: go to menu->debug->view hw info |
09:27:50 | adi|home | okay |
09:28:16 | Zagor | i'm removing /.rockbox/default.* loading |
09:28:30 | LinusN | Zagor: ok |
09:28:40 | adi|home | btw.. do we have any docs on the new .cfg files? |
09:28:52 | LinusN | adi|home: docs? who needs them? |
09:28:55 | Zagor | adi|home: yes, the custom_eq_format docs |
09:29:29 | adi|home | linus.. what am i looking for in that debug menu? |
09:29:55 | LinusN | everything |
09:32:37 | adi|home | rom: 1.24 mask: 0x0102 usb: positive ata: 0x200 pr: positive freq: 11.0592MHz |
09:33:26 | LinusN | adi|home: gtear, thx |
09:33:29 | LinusN | hfaklhggf |
09:33:30 | LinusN | dkfgvjds |
09:33:38 | LinusN | damn, my fingers are thick |
09:36:49 | LinusN | i see some patterns now, regarding the Mask |
09:37:37 | LinusN | there is an extra bit set in Mask, starting from 1.24 |
09:37:53 | LinusN | but my HW info shows no other differences |
09:38:15 | LinusN | not from 1,24, i mean 1.25 |
09:38:41 | LinusN | i wonder if that can have something to do with the ATA sleep problem... |
09:39:30 | LinusN | the USb and PR are positive from 1.24 and up |
09:40:10 | LinusN | and the 0x100 bit is set from 1.24 and up |
09:40:30 | LinusN | so i guess 0x100 is the "inverter" bit |
09:42:05 | LinusN | Zagor: who is Phil (who took the Recorder photos)? |
09:43:02 | LinusN | ok, all you guys, i have another question for you |
09:43:18 | LinusN | do you have USB1.1 or USB2.0 in your recorder? |
09:43:32 | LinusN | i.e ISD200 or ISD300? |
09:43:39 | Zagor | LinusN: someone on the yahoo forum |
09:44:11 | LinusN | (i want to detect that) |
09:44:32 | Zagor | usb2 here, as you know |
09:45:39 | LinusN | Zagor: do you know anything more about Phil? mail address, last name... |
09:47:34 | Zagor | LinusN: it's actually langhaarrocker |
09:47:44 | LinusN | it is??? |
09:47:47 | Zagor | yup |
09:47:49 | Schnueff | hehe |
09:47:52 | LinusN | ok, then |
09:47:57 | LinusN | he has a 12MHz unit |
09:47:58 | Zagor | i didn't know that either :-) |
09:52:10 | LinusN | i really want his HW info... |
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09:53:01 | Schnueff | what do you think about an option for WPS lines for double height and/or width and some font drawing routine to support this? worth a try? |
09:53:28 | LinusN | Schnueff: for only some lines? |
09:54:12 | Schnueff | yes |
09:54:43 | Schnueff | for the important info |
09:55:09 | LinusN | i think having two fonts would be a better solution |
09:55:12 | Zagor | no. use another font instead |
09:55:21 | Schnueff | ah ok, thought you wouldnt like to spend the RAM |
09:55:35 | LinusN | Zagor: but he wants two fonts _simultaneously_ |
09:55:43 | Zagor | why? |
09:56:45 | Schnueff | often-used info can be large |
09:56:46 | LinusN | Zagor: regarding bug #619028, is it ok for you to filter out LEFT/RIGHT when UP is pressed? |
09:56:58 | LinusN | i see no prob with that |
09:57:13 | LinusN | for now |
09:57:16 | Zagor | LinusN: me neither |
09:57:37 | LinusN | i think we'll stay out of UP-LEFT and UP_right combos |
09:58:32 | LinusN | but i'm not happy with doing code changes to handle broken hardware |
09:59:03 | Zagor | i agree |
09:59:16 | Zagor | we have problems with up-f2 and up-f1 too |
09:59:26 | mbr | btw. does the F1 - UP combination work for someone to mute in wps? |
09:59:31 | Zagor | mechanical bugs in some units |
09:59:33 | LinusN | Zagor: but that is more easily explained |
09:59:43 | mbr | Can this work, as the are connectet to the same port? |
09:59:44 | Zagor | mbr: it's F1-play |
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10:00:09 | LinusN | mbr: f1-f2-f3-up combinations are not possible |
10:01:24 | mbr | Zagor: But in the code is "case BUTTON_F1 | BUTTON_UP:" wps.c at line 551 |
10:01:57 | mbr | LinusN: Thats why I ask .. |
10:02:08 | Zagor | mbr: yikes! buuuug |
10:02:21 | Zagor | seems not many people use mute :-) |
10:02:42 | mbr | At last at recorders .. |
10:03:25 | Zagor | i'll fix |
10:05:01 | LinusN | mbr: good catch |
10:06:14 | PsycoXul | ok if default.*'s no longer used as before, and the persistent files need to be in /.rockbox, then /.rockbox needs to be easier to get to than mucking with the file filter setting |
10:06:22 | PsycoXul | imo |
10:07:07 | LinusN | PsycoXul: agreed |
10:07:22 | LinusN | maybe it should be something other than .rockbox |
10:07:25 | Schnueff | some menu entry to select wps / eq / .. from menu would do |
10:07:33 | LinusN | maybe just Rockbox |
10:07:34 | Schnueff | from .rockbox |
10:08:09 | Schnueff | since it's also annoying to have to change dir, when changing wps / eq / .., one should avoid that too |
10:08:58 | Zagor | LinusN: having it Rockbox would mean it's always visible: bad |
10:08:59 | Schnueff | then, keeping .rockbox hidden is ok most of the time, imo |
10:09:33 | PsycoXul | yeah a menu interface that lets you select the files from /.rockbox as options for their appropriate submenu sorta deal would be nice |
10:09:57 | Zagor | PsycoXul: start coding :-) |
10:09:59 | LinusN | PsycoXul: agree |
10:10:06 | LinusN | Show me the code! |
10:10:09 | PsycoXul | heh |
10:10:37 | Schnueff | u could put it on http://rockbox.haxx.se/TODO :) |
10:11:18 | PsycoXul | later tonight i'm seeing about making a key combo to put the LCD into powersave mode |
10:11:29 | PsycoXul | some people i know like to bitch about not needing the screen when it's in their pocket... |
10:11:43 | Zagor | PsycoXul: you should measure first, to see if you actually do save anything |
10:11:56 | Schnueff | measure before implement :) |
10:12:50 | PsycoXul | well even if it don't save any battery, i'd still like it and somebody else would too |
10:13:02 | PsycoXul | just cause we're weird people like that :p |
10:13:26 | LinusN | same for LCD invert |
10:13:50 | Zagor | lcd invert is heaps more useful than a screensaver that doesn't actually save. |
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10:13:59 | LinusN | Zagor: agreed :-) |
10:14:11 | LinusN | pyvasene: hi! |
10:14:13 | adi|home | what exactly is the purpose of lcd invert? |
10:14:29 | LinusN | pyvasene: do you have your recorder at hand? |
10:14:32 | pyvasene | Hi all |
10:14:37 | LinusN | adi|home: invert all pixels |
10:14:40 | pyvasene | LinusN : Yep |
10:14:41 | Zagor | adi|home: purpose? :) |
10:14:44 | adi|home | i realize that.. |
10:14:47 | adi|home | what i mean is... |
10:14:51 | LinusN | pyvasene: download the latest bleeding edge |
10:14:54 | Schnueff | it may look nice |
10:14:57 | adi|home | are we talking a full screen thing? |
10:15:00 | PsycoXul | well anyways i think it'll only be a handfull of lines of code |
10:15:06 | * | adi|home used the invert for his keyboard |
10:15:14 | PsycoXul | it would be harder for me to measure than to code it, i think heh |
10:15:15 | LinusN | adi|home: it may be nice in a dark room |
10:15:20 | Zagor | PsycoXul: code is cheap, but buttons are very expensive |
10:15:30 | pyvasene | LinusN : I can't. I don't have a USB cable |
10:15:38 | PsycoXul | yes, well, nobody has to commit it heh |
10:15:42 | Schnueff | adi|home: yes, full-screen |
10:15:43 | adi|home | a full screen invert setting shouldn't be too tough should it? |
10:15:55 | adi|home | just need to have the check done in all low level stuff.. |
10:16:03 | Schnueff | adi|home: lcd controller supports invert |
10:16:39 | LinusN | pyvasene: too bad |
10:16:47 | LinusN | pyvasene: what rom version? |
10:20:15 | pyvasene | 1.26 |
10:20:24 | * | Schnueff .. work |
10:21:57 | adi|home | button_set_repeat(~0); |
10:22:02 | adi|home | whatexactly is that doing? |
10:22:12 | LinusN | sets all buttons in repeat mode |
10:22:17 | LinusN | ~0 == 0xffffffff |
10:23:36 | adi|home | got ya |
10:24:34 | adi|home | could you explain how we intend to get rid of button_set_repeat/release |
10:24:42 | adi|home | by merging into button_get |
10:24:47 | adi|home | button_get takes a bool |
10:24:55 | adi|home | do you want it to take multiple arguements? |
10:26:10 | LinusN | yes |
10:26:29 | adi|home | okay.. so we talking 3 args |
10:26:47 | adi|home | bool, int mask, int mask? |
10:26:56 | Zagor | actually, i want to do away with the masks completely |
10:27:18 | LinusN | the masks are there to save the queue from lots of events |
10:27:23 | LinusN | but we can handle that |
10:27:26 | adi|home | nods |
10:27:51 | adi|home | but i guess what im looking for is what exactly are we trying to achieve by removing button_set_repeat/release |
10:27:53 | LinusN | does the remote repeat? |
10:28:01 | Zagor | adi|home: simpler code |
10:28:11 | Zagor | LinusN: yes, about 1/sec |
10:28:19 | LinusN | lame |
10:28:22 | Zagor | but it only sends press events |
10:28:27 | Zagor | of course |
10:28:28 | LinusN | even lamer |
10:29:52 | adi|home | okay.. what is the release mask doing now? |
10:30:05 | adi|home | telling us what buttons to watch for release on? |
10:31:13 | LinusN | it allows key-up events |
10:31:51 | * | adi|home just isn't getting it.. |
10:31:53 | * | adi|home sighs |
10:32:13 | * | adi|home feels like a 3 year-old looking for someone to hold his hand so he can cross the street :) |
10:32:21 | LinusN | lcd_invert_mode() works perfectly |
10:33:15 | LinusN | the release bit is set in the mask for a certain key, it generates button events both when the key is pressed and when it is released |
10:33:27 | adi|home | ah |
10:33:35 | adi|home | and any not in the map are ignored i assume? |
10:33:41 | LinusN | if the bit is 0, it onbly generates button events when the key is pressed |
10:34:04 | adi|home | and if its 1? |
10:34:12 | LinusN | the release bit is set in the mask for a certain key, it generates button events both when the key is pressed and when it is released |
10:34:23 | LinusN | 0 -> key-down events |
10:34:33 | LinusN | 1 -> key-down and key-up events |
10:35:58 | LinusN | Zagor: Couldn't find ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ.wps in /.rockbox/ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ.wps |
10:36:11 | LinusN | :-) |
10:36:24 | Zagor | that's correct |
10:36:29 | LinusN | i know |
10:36:44 | LinusN | just looks funny |
10:36:48 | Zagor | yeah |
10:37:02 | Zagor | we could add a !=0xff check in settings_apply |
10:37:10 | Zagor | but it doesn't really matter |
10:37:15 | adi|home | Zagor if we remove the release masks.. how are you going to assign what keys are/aren't to be release events? |
10:37:16 | LinusN | it doesn't matter |
10:37:19 | adi|home | or do we not care? |
10:37:30 | LinusN | we want both events, always |
10:37:34 | adi|home | okay |
10:37:36 | Zagor | adi|home: removing the mask just means we will always get release events |
10:37:41 | adi|home | so basically a button_get at all times |
10:37:53 | adi|home | and then the actual app does the check |
10:37:58 | adi|home | ? |
10:37:59 | Zagor | yes |
10:38:13 | Zagor | we already do it that way |
10:38:23 | adi|home | okay, so if we are wanting to do that, i don't get why we had the button_set_release to begin with |
10:38:23 | Zagor | it's just that some release events are filtered out |
10:38:54 | adi|home | so basically just say "screw it, give me all the release events"? |
10:39:58 | Zagor | yes |
10:40:04 | adi|home | nods |
10:40:30 | adi|home | okay.. just check that im not nuts then... |
10:40:33 | Zagor | the filter was introduced to avoid handling buttons we don't care about |
10:40:45 | adi|home | so in tree.c:707/708 |
10:40:53 | Zagor | but that's not a big problem, so it has become more a hassle than a benefit |
10:40:59 | adi|home | we could just comment out those calls to button_set_... because we dont care anymore... |
10:41:02 | adi|home | nods |
10:41:13 | adi|home | okay.. so basicaly its a feature removal/code cleanup |
10:41:19 | LinusN | yup |
10:41:19 | Zagor | yes |
10:41:27 | * | adi|home finally gets it |
10:41:30 | * | adi|home tackles that |
10:41:33 | Zagor | congrats :-) |
10:41:40 | LinusN | we need to look over the wps key handling after 1.4 |
10:41:50 | adi|home | nods |
10:41:53 | LinusN | for the remote control |
10:42:06 | adi|home | is it worth me fixing this issue in the wps then? |
10:42:19 | LinusN | locking the remote when keylocking is really lame |
10:42:55 | LinusN | funny that so few people have noticed |
10:43:05 | adi|home | heheh |
10:43:07 | Zagor | yeah |
10:43:10 | adi|home | i thnk not to many have a remote |
10:43:15 | adi|home | or are keylocking |
10:43:18 | adi|home | i don't |
10:43:25 | adi|home | most the time i use the player is on long drives |
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10:45:37 | adi|home | just a logic check |
10:45:43 | adi|home | if we are not using the masks now |
10:45:58 | adi|home | and we want to ensure not breaking existing code |
10:46:25 | LinusN | we want to break existing code |
10:46:29 | adi|home | any switch statements that adapt/handle button events with button_set.. should have a default case added |
10:46:40 | adi|home | okay.. so _dont_ add a default case then |
10:46:42 | adi|home | got ya |
10:47:00 | Zagor | adi|home: not really. if they don't care about the key, what would the default case do? |
10:47:17 | adi|home | *shrugs* |
10:47:20 | adi|home | thats why i asked ;)9 |
10:47:24 | Zagor | ah |
10:47:26 | adi|home | wanted to make sure i wans't missing anything |
10:47:31 | adi|home | :) |
10:49:10 | Zagor | LinusN: i'm adding a 0xff check anyway. it's stupid parsing the dir and doing a lot of work if no file is selected. |
10:50:00 | LinusN | ok |
10:50:43 | LinusN | i'm working on the mpeg skipping underrun handling |
10:51:14 | LinusN | it's not that easy to see the difference between having played the last song and a buffer underrun |
10:51:49 | adi|home | well.. its a buffer that we are reading data into yes? |
10:52:04 | LinusN | yes |
10:52:07 | adi|home | and what do you mean by last song? |
10:52:12 | adi|home | ie: last in a playlist/dir? |
10:52:16 | adi|home | or reached the end of a song? |
10:52:28 | LinusN | last in list |
10:52:45 | adi|home | do we know what causes the underruns? |
10:52:56 | LinusN | HD read errors |
10:52:58 | adi|home | or more to the point, what exactly the underruns are? |
10:53:11 | adi|home | is it we expect there to be more data and there is nothing there? |
10:53:15 | LinusN | the HD retries taking too long |
10:53:57 | LinusN | so the DMA interrupt has no more data to send to the MAS |
10:54:05 | adi|home | nod |
10:54:12 | adi|home | and if its the end of the last song, thats right |
10:54:14 | LinusN | and it thinks that the last block of the last song has been fed to the MAS |
10:54:17 | adi|home | if its not, then its an error |
10:54:54 | LinusN | Zagor: the HD retries are transparent, right? |
10:55:04 | LinusN | so the read() call just takes longer? |
10:55:05 | adi|home | well.. my outside newbie suggestion would be this... |
10:55:08 | Zagor | LinusN: yes |
10:55:15 | LinusN | ok, then i have the solution |
10:55:20 | * | adi|home perks up |
10:55:25 | adi|home | what are you going to do? |
10:55:37 | LinusN | the 'filling' variable is true during the read() |
10:55:53 | adi|home | nod |
10:56:04 | adi|home | so if filling is true, and we time out |
10:56:06 | adi|home | its an underrun |
10:56:10 | LinusN | yup |
10:56:12 | adi|home | if filling is false, end of song |
10:56:13 | adi|home | nods |
10:56:39 | LinusN | so instead of a TRACK_CHANGE, the DMA sends UNDERRUN |
10:56:47 | adi|home | nods |
10:56:51 | adi|home | makes sense |
10:56:56 | adi|home | btw.. |
10:57:02 | adi|home | just commenting out all the button_sets |
10:57:13 | adi|home | doesn't seem to have any ill effects (yet) |
10:57:18 | adi|home | want me to commit that? |
10:57:21 | Zagor | adi|home: tetris will probably go a bit faster |
10:57:23 | Zagor | adi|home: no! |
10:57:32 | adi|home | hehe thats why i asked... |
10:57:32 | Zagor | that will wait until post-1.4 |
10:57:36 | adi|home | okay... |
10:57:51 | adi|home | well.. take it as noted that it's potentially an easy fix |
10:57:57 | Zagor | yup |
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11:05:07 | adi|home | just thinking.. |
11:05:16 | adi|home | um.. how do you "unload" a loaded font? |
11:05:20 | adi|home | ie: go to default |
11:05:23 | adi|home | w/o rebooting? |
11:05:55 | Zagor | you load another |
11:06:09 | Zagor | there is no way to just clear the font |
11:06:10 | adi|home | right.. but to go back to system default.. i don't think we have a way... |
11:06:16 | adi|home | be nice if there was... |
11:06:20 | * | adi|home hmmms... |
11:06:29 | Zagor | yeah, could be a menu option |
11:07:03 | adi|home | okay.. umm.. fastforward is not sticking |
11:07:20 | adi|home | i scroll say 30 seconds a head and it jumps me back to where i started the fastforward |
11:07:32 | adi|home | hmmm intermiten |
11:07:41 | Zagor | adi|home: the sound, or just the display? |
11:07:49 | adi|home | display... |
11:07:54 | adi|home | hold on.. ill listen to it |
11:09:03 | adi|home | odd.. seems intermitten on doing it |
11:10:11 | LinusN | Zagor: what is 0xff in 8859-1? |
11:10:24 | Zagor | ÿ |
11:10:25 | LinusN | ÿ, right? |
11:10:37 | Zagor | right. so a font is not allowed to start with that :-) |
11:10:56 | LinusN | let's hope that noone creates ÿngve.cfg then |
11:11:16 | bobTHC | ÿ is escape in unix, not? |
11:11:21 | Zagor | no |
11:11:44 | Zagor | escape is an ascii control char |
11:12:22 | bobTHC | it's a special car @ all, when u use on unix ftp, that block the folder |
11:12:41 | adi|home | hmm can someone test something for me? |
11:12:50 | adi|home | set your repeat for one |
11:12:53 | adi|home | play a playlist |
11:13:07 | adi|home | try and skip to the next song (right arrow once) |
11:13:10 | adi|home | tell me what happens |
11:13:16 | Zagor | bobTHC: how do you mean? |
11:14:21 | bobTHC | when u use ÿ caracter in a folder name on unix ftp, u can access to this folder |
11:14:36 | bobTHC | dir blocking scheme |
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11:15:13 | Zagor | bobTHC: that sounds like something specific for a particular ftp server |
11:15:18 | Zagor | adi|home: it starts over |
11:15:24 | adi|home | right |
11:15:30 | adi|home | that seems a bit odd don't it? |
11:15:33 | adi|home | shouldn't 'one' |
11:15:37 | adi|home | mean play the playlist once |
11:15:45 | adi|home | not the one song |
11:16:00 | Zagor | ah, no. repeat one is always the song |
11:16:02 | LinusN | Zagor: mpeg buffer underrun handling committed |
11:16:07 | Zagor | LinusN: goodie |
11:16:16 | adi|home | ahh.. just seems odd to me |
11:16:23 | adi|home | so repeat all would be for playlists? |
11:16:31 | LinusN | adi|home: what should repeat=no do then? |
11:16:45 | Zagor | adi|home: repeat one means "repeat one track". repeat all is "repeat all tracks" |
11:16:51 | adi|home | nods |
11:16:59 | * | adi|home never said he thought clearly |
11:17:06 | adi|home | comeon folks |
11:17:12 | adi|home | its 0500 here ;) |
11:17:15 | LinusN | adi|home: we never though so either :-) |
11:17:30 | adi|home | hehehe |
11:17:36 | LinusN | Zagor: showstoppers? |
11:18:13 | adi|home | a woman with 36 D's |
11:18:39 | Zagor | we have a bunch of bugs that people don't update |
11:18:58 | adi|home | ? |
11:19:01 | adi|home | how do you mean Zagor |
11:19:24 | Zagor | i'd like that that CPUAdrEr fix confirmed before release |
11:19:37 | Zagor | adi|home: bugs we think we have fixed, but need confirmation of |
11:20:12 | LinusN | i'll fix the up-left-right button filter |
11:21:04 | LinusN | i'll skip the AN5 check if UP is pressed, ok? |
11:21:33 | LinusN | so UP can never be combined with an AN5 key |
11:22:12 | Zagor | right |
11:22:23 | LinusN | ok |
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13:16:12 | freshmaker | Zagor: Hej. ideas, always coming to me on feature freezes... |
13:18:43 | LinusN | freshmaker: yes? |
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13:19:31 | freshmaker | you really want a progress meter instead of the peak meter while performing ff/rw |
13:20:37 | freshmaker | and please, delete patch 620581, i messed up the diff upload |
13:22:19 | LinusN | freshmaker: why do we want that? |
13:22:31 | LinusN | i have a progress meter and a peak meter |
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13:23:10 | freshmaker | the peak meter is useless while ffrw. the patch simply replaces it with the progress meter while you press << or >> |
13:23:54 | freshmaker | not all people have both. when you have both, the peak meter is _not_ replaced, of course ;-) |
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13:24:33 | calpefrosch | hi |
13:24:42 | LinusN | hi froggy |
13:24:50 | LinusN | freshmaker: why the peak meter? |
13:24:55 | calpefrosch | can we just discuss some remote things ? |
13:25:02 | calpefrosch | sorry, remote control things |
13:25:06 | LinusN | why not the time display? |
13:25:17 | LinusN | calpefrosch: shoot |
13:25:38 | freshmaker | because it doesn't display anything useful while doing ffrw. it's off anyway. |
13:26:00 | calpefrosch | ok, I me really interrested in the remote control for my sony car radio |
13:26:08 | LinusN | freshmaker: it is certainly nothing we will add to 1.4 |
13:26:16 | calpefrosch | so I can connect the jukebox to the changer control :-) |
13:26:28 | freshmaker | but maybe post 1.4 |
13:26:38 | calpefrosch | have you allready done some code for the remote ? |
13:26:59 | LinusN | calpefrosch: "the remote"? |
13:27:21 | Zagor | calpefrosch: there is no hardware, how could we have made software |
13:27:25 | calpefrosch | I ment the remote control interface |
13:27:33 | LinusN | it is there, woiring |
13:27:33 | calpefrosch | in the rockbox firmware |
13:27:36 | LinusN | working |
13:27:50 | Zagor | remote control has worked since 1.3 |
13:27:57 | calpefrosch | cool, so I can do the hardware on the other side |
13:28:00 | Zagor | yup |
13:28:43 | calpefrosch | do you have some place to put the files ? I think it belongs to rockbox |
13:29:07 | Zagor | i can put it up on the "hardware mods" page |
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13:33:18 | LinusN | Zagor: the resume info is only saved if you are in wps |
13:33:44 | calpefrosch | is there some documentation of the remote control interface ? |
13:33:44 | Zagor | which resume info? |
13:33:56 | LinusN | you know, file name, file position |
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13:34:18 | Zagor | tree.c saves it too |
13:35:21 | LinusN | but not the menus and the games |
13:35:34 | Zagor | why would they? |
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13:35:43 | Zagor | yo, baggie! |
13:35:48 | Bagder | hey |
13:35:56 | LinusN | because you play a game while listening to music, and then decide to turn off the unit |
13:36:54 | Zagor | LinusN: ah, now I understand what you mean. right, that should be handled better. |
13:39:33 | LinusN | it should probably be handled by the mpeg thread |
13:39:43 | LinusN | but the settings are an apps/ thing... |
13:39:48 | Zagor | a callback |
13:39:53 | LinusN | perhaps |
13:40:07 | LinusN | callbacks are not always nice |
13:40:20 | LinusN | thread context |
13:40:44 | Bagder | but they're easy to add ;-) |
13:40:51 | Zagor | it's up to the callback to be responsible |
13:41:06 | Zagor | adding settings saving to mpeg.c is a lot worse... |
13:43:39 | LinusN | indeed |
13:46:04 | calpefrosch | please, do you have any documentation, or can you tell me where to find the code ( which file) for the remote control ? |
13:46:34 | LinusN | firmware/drivers/serial.c |
13:46:40 | calpefrosch | tnx |
13:46:42 | LinusN | http://rockbox.haxx.se/notes.html |
13:47:14 | LinusN | calpefrosch: player or recorder? |
13:48:19 | calpefrosch | recorder |
13:48:38 | LinusN | calpefrosch: please download the latest bleeding edge build |
13:49:03 | calpefrosch | I got the source from cvs |
13:49:18 | LinusN | ok, go to menu->debug->view hw info |
13:50:04 | calpefrosch | one moment please |
13:51:22 | calpefrosch | hmm, I did not find this entry. |
13:51:52 | LinusN | how old is you CVS then? |
13:52:20 | calpefrosch | I just downloaded the last daily build 20021009 |
13:53:14 | LinusN | but you had a fresh CVS??? |
13:53:23 | LinusN | you just told me |
13:53:56 | calpefrosch | is there a build in the cvs ? |
13:54:08 | LinusN | ? |
13:54:11 | calpefrosch | i have no compiler running here... |
13:54:49 | calpefrosch | ok, now I find the bleeding edge build at the end of the page. can I download it for my archos ? |
13:56:10 | LinusN | yes |
13:57:16 | calpefrosch | know I have it. I'm a little bit slow ;-) |
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13:59:32 | calpefrosch | ok, I see the hw info |
13:59:46 | LinusN | gimme |
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14:01:32 | calpefrosch | Rom: 1.25 |
14:01:39 | calpefrosch | Mask 0x0302 |
14:01:44 | calpefrosch | USB: positive |
14:01:49 | calpefrosch | ATA: 0x200 |
14:02:00 | calpefrosch | PR: positive |
14:02:09 | calpefrosch | Freq: 11.0592 |
14:02:12 | calpefrosch | all |
14:02:22 | LinusN | thanks |
14:02:28 | calpefrosch | and know ? |
14:02:36 | LinusN | go to sleep |
14:02:38 | LinusN | :-) |
14:02:53 | calpefrosch | good night ;-) |
14:03:51 | LinusN | i wish langhaarrocker could join |
14:04:05 | calpefrosch | why ? |
14:07:00 | LinusN | he has a very old recorder |
14:11:02 | elinenbe | I have an old recorder too |
14:11:22 | LinusN | elinenbe: i didn't know you were awake |
14:11:30 | elinenbe | just got here. |
14:11:31 | LinusN | you keep connecting and disconnecting all night |
14:11:54 | elinenbe | yeah, I don't know what the deal is with this "new behavior" |
14:12:08 | LinusN | so we never know if it is you or your IRC client |
14:12:26 | elinenbe | 1:30am, 3:50am, 7:30am (EVERY NIGHT!!) |
14:12:47 | LinusN | anyway, run the latest bleeding edge and go to menu->debug->view hw info |
14:12:53 | elinenbe | ok |
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14:21:22 | elinenbe | what do you want to know? |
14:21:33 | LinusN | all info on that screen |
14:21:41 | elinenbe | rom 1.1.5 |
14:21:43 | elinenbe | sorry |
14:21:47 | elinenbe | ROM 1.15 |
14:22:02 | elinenbe | MasK 0x0002 |
14:22:09 | elinenbe | USB: negative |
14:22:18 | elinenbe | ATA: 0x300 |
14:22:22 | elinenbe | PR: negative |
14:22:35 | elinenbe | Freq: 16.795MHz |
14:22:52 | LinusN | what? |
14:22:55 | elinenbe | oh wait... :) Freq: 11.0592MHz |
14:23:03 | LinusN | hahaha |
14:23:33 | LinusN | what exactly does your ROM firmware say when you boot it? |
14:23:42 | Bagder | hahah |
14:24:03 | elinenbe | 1.17ia |
14:24:14 | LinusN | so weird |
14:24:23 | elinenbe | what is so weird? |
14:24:31 | LinusN | 1.17ia |
14:24:53 | elinenbe | well, I also get the reverse display every 5th time I boot (mirrored and shifted display!) |
14:24:54 | LinusN | the 1.17 releases are so many |
14:26:00 | LinusN | cool |
14:26:04 | elinenbe | that makes each one extra special. |
14:26:19 | elinenbe | well, it is more annoying then anything. |
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15:01:56 | elinenbe | . |
15:30:53 | Bagder | LinusN: if I add a playlist_amount(), will you do the mpeg changes to stop insane looping? |
15:31:44 | * | norm_ wonders why latest build is not loading his .rockbox/default.wps |
15:31:57 | Bagder | norm_: that functionality is removed |
15:32:03 | norm_ | That'd do it |
15:32:07 | LinusN | Bagder: sure |
15:32:22 | Bagder | norm_: browse/play the one you wanna use |
15:32:34 | Bagder | norm_: that selection is then saved and used from then on |
15:32:34 | norm_ | Bagder: is it coming back? |
15:32:44 | Bagder | if it is stored in .rockbox |
15:32:45 | norm_ | Bagder: ah, saved persistently |
15:32:46 | LinusN | norm_: no, default.wps is history |
15:32:55 | LinusN | but the wps file must be in .rockbox |
15:33:15 | Bagder | is this written anywhere? |
15:34:01 | LinusN | Bagder: will playlist_peek() ever return NULL then? |
15:34:18 | Bagder | yes, on errors |
15:34:22 | LinusN | oh, when repeat==off |
15:34:35 | Bagder | and if the actual playlist fails to load or something |
15:35:14 | Bagder | int playlist_amount(void) |
15:35:31 | norm_ | Hrm, I load my .rockbox/default.wps through browse/play, and now I get a blank WPS |
15:35:57 | norm_ | OK, intermittent |
15:36:29 | norm_ | Bagder, LinusN: Thanks for your help |
15:36:51 | LinusN | Bagder: what does playlist_amount(9 return when repeat=off? |
15:36:52 | Bagder | LinusN: committed |
15:37:25 | Bagder | you want it to do different depending on that? |
15:38:05 | LinusN | just wondered |
15:38:22 | Bagder | int playlist_amount(void) |
15:38:22 | Bagder | { |
15:38:22 | Bagder | return playlist.amount; |
15:38:22 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Bagder |
15:38:22 | Bagder | } |
15:38:30 | Bagder | very advanced code |
15:38:34 | LinusN | complex :-) |
15:38:45 | LinusN | not for everyone |
15:40:02 | LinusN | Bagder: please add it to playlist.h |
15:40:36 | Bagder | why? does mpeg include that? |
15:40:48 | LinusN | ah, sorry |
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15:42:14 | Bagder | I'll add it anyway, for other reasons |
15:42:20 | LinusN | Bagder: ok |
15:43:29 | LinusN | testing... |
15:44:39 | LinusN | bad playlist "worked" |
15:44:57 | Bagder | you have a dir with only a few tiny songs? |
15:44:58 | LinusN | now testing a good all-songs-in-memory list |
15:45:02 | Bagder | ok |
15:45:35 | LinusN | worked too |
15:45:43 | Bagder | coolio |
15:45:53 | LinusN | now lets toss this stupid "Press ON" text out the window!!! |
15:46:32 | LinusN | dfg: have a recorder? |
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15:51:31 | Bagder | http://www.phonebutler.com/ |
15:51:59 | Bagder | those americans are fun ;-) |
15:54:02 | LinusN | americans don't have butlers, englishmen do :-) |
15:54:08 | Bagder | true |
15:54:23 | Bagder | I wouldn't turn one down either ;-) |
15:56:25 | Bagder | that "Press ON" text still pops up when the playlist ends without repeat, right? |
15:56:37 | LinusN | i repeat: |
15:56:40 | LinusN | now lets toss this stupid "Press ON" text out the window!!! |
15:56:54 | LinusN | :-) |
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15:57:05 | Bagder | :-P |
15:57:17 | Bagder | my question was more about when it happens |
15:57:25 | Bagder | can it appear in any other situation? |
15:58:21 | LinusN | bad playlist and end-of-playlist |
15:58:49 | Bagder | ok, so we could show "end of playlist" for 1 sec and then return back to the dir browsre |
15:59:02 | Bagder | or something |
15:59:16 | LinusN | yup |
15:59:24 | LinusN | gotta go home. bye! |
15:59:29 | Bagder | bye |
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16:11:57 | norm_ | Is LinusN asking everybody about what's in their Debug->H/W info? |
16:12:04 | Bagder | yes |
16:12:13 | Bagder | all recorder owners at least |
16:12:36 | norm_ | M'kay. I'll pass mine along next time he joins |
16:13:12 | Bagder | you do that, it'll help |
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16:22:44 | Bagder | time to go |
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16:24:02 | Zagor | gotta go |
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16:58:02 | quelsaruk | hi |
16:58:13 | bobTHC | hi! |
16:58:35 | quelsaruk | it's been a long time since my last conection :) |
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17:01:36 | elinenbe | hello |
17:11:15 | panthar | olleh |
17:12:04 | norm_ | ih! |
17:12:15 | norm_ | "We are the knights who say "ih!"" |
17:12:16 | norm_ | d:) |
17:13:53 | norm_ | No Monty Python fans here, I guess d:) |
17:14:16 | | Part bobTHC |
17:17:45 | | Quit elinenbe () |
17:21:15 | panthar | thats not right |
17:21:19 | panthar | it is "Ni!" |
17:21:47 | panthar | if you say it incorrectly once more, i shall force you to cut down the largest tree in the forest with a HERRING |
17:22:34 | panthar | you silly english pig-dog |
17:22:38 | panthar | your mother was a hamster |
17:22:46 | panthar | and your father smelt of elderberries |
17:22:53 | panthar | so go away or I shall tauht you a second time |
17:22:58 | panthar | pbbbbbtttttttt |
17:23:29 | quelsaruk | cu |
17:23:33 | | Quit quelsaruk ("KVIrc 3.0.0-beta1 "Eve's Avatar"") |
17:24:28 | panthar | a cool feature in rockbox would be to detect whether the jukebox is charging, and if so, allow the backlight to remain lit indefinitely |
17:24:33 | panthar | e.g. for car use |
17:24:57 | Schnueff | u mean if it is plugged to external power or if it is actually charging? |
17:25:13 | panthar | plugged it actually |
17:25:21 | Schnueff | thats implemented in CVS |
17:25:25 | panthar | ah ;) |
17:25:32 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
17:25:32 | * | panthar whips out a cross-compiler |
17:27:07 | panthar | or will that be in the daily build? |
17:27:12 | Schnueff | should be |
17:27:13 | panthar | if it is in the main branch... |
17:28:57 | | Join hardeep [0] (hardeeps@sdf.lonestar.org) |
17:29:29 | panthar | worth a shot instead of setting up the build environment to look at this 1 little feature :) |
17:33:10 | norm_ | panthar: that's in the latest builds |
17:33:50 | norm_ | panthar: Yeah, I used "ih" because you had used "olleh" earlier d:) |
17:34:08 | norm_ | Silly English k-nig-ht |
17:38:42 | panthar | ih? |
17:39:00 | panthar | heh |
17:39:01 | panthar | hm |
17:39:17 | panthar | the latest build makes the song name disappear during play |
17:39:31 | panthar | but the light can stay on |
17:39:33 | panthar | doh |
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17:41:43 | norm_ | Song name disappears during play? |
17:42:02 | panthar | it does not show |
17:42:20 | panthar | ajb 6000 |
17:42:26 | norm_ | In the WPS screen? Does everything else show? Like the filename, album, artist, etc.? |
17:42:28 | panthar | the text area is blank |
17:42:31 | norm_ | Ah |
17:42:36 | norm_ | Try restarting |
17:42:46 | norm_ | This might be the "blank wps issue" |
17:42:50 | panthar | power off then power on? |
17:42:56 | norm_ | Yeah |
17:43:01 | norm_ | Are you using custom .wps file? |
17:43:18 | panthar | not using anything |
17:43:23 | panthar | just the latest mod |
17:43:28 | panthar | is a .wps file required now? |
17:44:01 | panthar | i had 1.3 running and now i am trying the daily build .mod |
17:44:11 | norm_ | I don't think so. But I have seen an issue where the first time it loads the .wps, you get a blank screen the first time it displays, then after that it works |
17:44:22 | norm_ | Maybe that's true for the default WPS as well, I dunno |
17:44:34 | panthar | I shut off then on |
17:44:39 | panthar | still nothing during play |
17:44:43 | panthar | navigation is fine |
17:44:46 | panthar | options are fine |
17:44:52 | panthar | just nothing during play |
17:45:02 | norm_ | Hrm. Try a custom .wps file, maybe? |
17:45:30 | norm_ | (at this point, I don't know what's wrong... maybe send a mail about it to the list??) |
17:46:33 | panthar | player does .wps? |
17:46:36 | panthar | custom ones? |
17:47:06 | norm_ | Yep |
17:47:12 | norm_ | Both player and recorder |
17:47:21 | norm_ | docs/CUSTOM_WPS_FORMAT explains the format |
17:47:34 | norm_ | (if you have a local copy, otherwise check the FAQ online) |
17:48:36 | norm_ | Also, currently the .wps file must be in /.rockbox (or so I'm told) |
17:48:36 | panthar | hm |
17:48:43 | panthar | i dont even have a default one |
17:49:43 | norm_ | Yeah, I don't think you need to have one, but since you're seeing this problem, I'm just suggesting you try making one to see if it helps |
17:51:15 | panthar | hardcoded one must be gone/dead |
17:51:26 | panthar | i wrote one called default.wps and now i have display :) |
17:52:38 | panthar | the doc says if there are none you get the hardcoded wps |
17:52:49 | panthar | but tat must have changed in the code at least |
17:52:49 | Schnueff | i think there was some issue fixed this day |
17:53:04 | panthar | so tomorrow's build will have it? |
17:53:07 | Schnueff | try the tomorrow build or compile for yourself perhaps |
17:53:15 | Schnueff | i should think so |
17:53:25 | panthar | it was easy to make default.wps though |
17:53:28 | Schnueff | or the bleeding edge build |
17:53:35 | panthar | so i can still use it |
17:53:48 | Schnueff | (bleeding edge build at bottom of daily build page) |
17:53:57 | panthar | right |
17:54:08 | panthar | the "Every hour" builds |
17:54:09 | panthar | whee |
17:54:16 | Schnueff | yes, did u try this already? |
17:54:30 | panthar | i didnt try the bleeding one |
17:54:41 | panthar | i tried today's daily and wrote a default.wps by hand |
17:54:45 | Schnueff | ok |
17:54:47 | panthar | and that works |
17:55:17 | panthar | i cant wait till i find a good deal/save the money for the recorder 20 |
17:55:27 | panthar | much nicer display to work with and customize |
17:55:36 | panthar | this 2-line jb 6000 is boring :) |
17:55:36 | panthar | heh |
17:55:57 | panthar | i am getting dizzy from the scroll |
17:57:20 | panthar | hm |
17:57:24 | panthar | need about $200 |
17:57:46 | | Quit hardeep ("Leaving") |
17:59:36 | panthar | hm |
17:59:40 | panthar | $228 new at buy.com |
18:00 |
18:00:14 | panthar | is that decent? |
18:02:36 | panthar | grr |
18:02:43 | Schnueff | dunno |
18:02:47 | panthar | anyone have the URL to archos.com support area? |
18:02:55 | panthar | the links do not work on the site |
18:06:19 | | Quit pyvasene ("[x]chat") |
18:06:23 | panthar | hm |
18:06:27 | panthar | seems their site is just hosed |
18:06:29 | panthar | oh well |
18:12:13 | | Join wallie [0] (~wallie@h-66-134-208-140.lsanca54.covad.net) |
18:13:33 | | Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) |
18:13:45 | Schnueff | wb LinusN |
18:13:51 | LinusN | thx |
18:14:22 | LinusN | looking for recorder owners on the list as usual |
18:14:29 | LinusN | any recorder users here? |
18:14:32 | Schnueff | me |
18:14:41 | Schnueff | by u got my stats already |
18:14:42 | wallie | me |
18:14:54 | Schnueff | by=but |
18:15:00 | wallie | would love to see the recording option implemented soon :) |
18:15:03 | LinusN | wallie: can you download and run the latest bleeding edge build? |
18:15:11 | LinusN | wallie: i have the drivers ready |
18:15:16 | wallie | sure ...give me s sec. |
18:15:22 | wallie | really!!!!! |
18:15:33 | LinusN | yup, just waiting for the file write support |
18:16:07 | wallie | do u know what's causing the current archos firmware to lockup after about 20 minutes of recording? |
18:16:08 | LinusN | file writes and recording will have top prio after 1.4 is released |
18:16:28 | LinusN | wallie: no, i have only used it once, for 25 seconds |
18:16:36 | wallie | :D |
18:16:52 | wallie | I hope it's not a hardware limitation... |
18:17:03 | LinusN | wallie: what ROM firmware version do you have? |
18:17:15 | wallie | 1.28 |
18:17:32 | LinusN | fairly new then |
18:17:36 | wallie | ok ..the latest build is 20021009 on the site |
18:17:47 | LinusN | no, use the latest bleeding edge |
18:17:48 | wallie | is that the one u want me to download? |
18:18:01 | wallie | url? |
18:18:04 | LinusN | below the large table |
18:18:30 | wallie | ok |
18:22:25 | wallie | ok i just loaded it |
18:22:48 | wallie | ver. 021009-1603 |
18:23:39 | LinusN | ok, go to menu->debug->view hw info |
18:24:00 | wallie | ok |
18:24:13 | wallie | rom =1.28 |
18:24:18 | LinusN | then tell me everything that it says |
18:24:19 | wallie | mask =0x0302 |
18:24:28 | wallie | usb=positive |
18:24:35 | wallie | ata=0x200 |
18:24:40 | wallie | pr=positive |
18:24:52 | wallie | freq=11.0592MHz |
18:25:01 | wallie | that's it |
18:25:04 | LinusN | thx |
18:25:10 | LinusN | and you have USB2.0 right? |
18:25:25 | wallie | I don't think so... |
18:25:32 | wallie | on my pc |
18:25:49 | LinusN | no, the archos |
18:25:58 | wallie | yes it's usb 2 |
18:26:05 | LinusN | gr8 |
18:26:25 | LinusN | what i really need is some old boxes to test |
18:27:36 | wallie | archos should just give u one :) |
18:29:45 | LinusN | hehe |
18:34:33 | | Join TotMacher [0] (tot@p508D8C11.dip.t-dialin.net) |
18:36:45 | LinusN | TotMacher: got your recorder? |
18:36:55 | TotMacher | jo |
18:37:04 | LinusN | d/l the latest bleeding edge |
18:37:12 | wallie | let me help u with testing the recording option when it's ready, Linus...I'm a musician and I do extensive recording...I'm hoping to use archos to record live sets i.e. over 3 hours of continues recording |
18:37:36 | LinusN | wallie: just stay tuned on the IRC channel |
18:37:43 | wallie | cool |
18:37:49 | LinusN | i'll let you know when i need help |
18:37:59 | wallie | ;) |
18:37:59 | TotMacher | my recorder is in my car :) |
18:43:22 | LinusN | too bad |
18:43:43 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
18:53:48 | | Join prv_ [0] (~prv@209.166.235.91) |
18:57:15 | LinusN | prv_: player or recorder? |
18:59:57 | norm_ | LinusN: Odd. I go to debug menu and select HW info. My screen flickers once, then nothing |
19:00 |
19:00:18 | LinusN | wow |
19:00:24 | LinusN | bleeding edge build? |
19:00:32 | norm_ | Yep |
19:00:34 | norm_ | Well |
19:00:42 | norm_ | 200210091440 |
19:00:47 | LinusN | have you set the clock? |
19:00:56 | norm_ | Yep |
19:01:01 | LinusN | hmmm |
19:01:18 | LinusN | is the screen blank? |
19:01:53 | norm_ | No. From the debug menu, I select HW info. It flickers (as though it were showing the HW info) but then drops immediately to the debug menu again |
19:02:08 | norm_ | The flicker is too fast to see if it actually drew the HW data on the screen |
19:02:09 | | Quit dfg (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
19:02:24 | norm_ | LinusN: With this build, I was able to access HW info earlier |
19:02:40 | LinusN | really? |
19:02:49 | norm_ | Yep |
19:03:10 | norm_ | In fact, I just got back in |
19:03:12 | norm_ | After rebooting |
19:03:19 | LinusN | spooky |
19:03:39 | norm_ | One sec, I'll give you the data |
19:04:37 | norm_ | ROM: 1.26 |
19:04:37 | norm_ | Mask: 0x0302 |
19:04:37 | norm_ | USB: positive |
19:04:37 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK norm_ |
19:04:37 | norm_ | ATA: 0x200 |
19:04:37 | norm_ | prv_: positive |
19:04:38 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
19:04:38 | norm_ | Freq: 11.0592MHz |
19:05:14 | LinusN | thanks |
19:05:27 | norm_ | np |
19:05:58 | norm_ | Heh, xchat went and subbed prv_'s nick for "PR" |
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19:12:21 | LinusN | langhaarrocker: !!!!!!! |
19:12:21 | LinusN | finally! |
19:12:21 | langhaarrocker | That's me! |
19:12:21 | langhaarrocker | What do you need? |
19:12:21 | LinusN | i've been waiting for you |
19:12:21 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK LinusN |
19:12:21 | LinusN | d/l the latest bleeding edge |
19:12:24 | LinusN | or sync CVS and rebuild |
19:12:50 | langhaarrocker | nah, to much changed in my workspace. |
19:12:51 | LinusN | go to menu->debug->view hw info |
19:13:17 | langhaarrocker | cool thing btw. |
19:13:23 | | Join prv__ [0] (~prv@209.166.235.91) |
19:13:37 | langhaarrocker | you want my key values? |
19:13:41 | LinusN | yup |
19:14:39 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
19:14:47 | langhaarrocker | rom 1.18 |
19:14:47 | langhaarrocker | mask 0x0002 |
19:14:47 | langhaarrocker | usb: negative |
19:14:47 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK langhaarrocker |
19:14:47 | langhaarrocker | ata: 0x300 |
19:14:47 | langhaarrocker | Pr: negative |
19:16:04 | langhaarrocker | Will some bad men in black now be able to identify me by these numbers? |
19:16:15 | Ctcp | Ignored 4 channel CTCP requests in 10 minutes and 10 seconds at the last flood |
19:16:15 | * | langhaarrocker is shivering |
19:17:18 | LinusN | langhaarrocker: no frequency? |
19:18:36 | LinusN | did you really d/l the bleeding edge? |
19:19:07 | LinusN | and what ROM version does your boot screen say? |
19:19:13 | * | norm_ found that he had to clear his cache in Mozilla to *really* get the latest version |
19:19:44 | langhaarrocker | I rolo'd the wrong file... |
19:19:44 | langhaarrocker | FReq: 11.0592 MHz |
19:19:57 | LinusN | langhaarrocker: really????? |
19:20:14 | langhaarrocker | is it broken? |
19:20:21 | LinusN | You are not the Phil whose pictures we have on the site? |
19:20:37 | langhaarrocker | That's my recorder's guts. Yes. |
19:20:48 | LinusN | i am really puzzled |
19:21:03 | langhaarrocker | why? |
19:21:03 | LinusN | your pictures reveal a 12MHz oscillator |
19:22:02 | langhaarrocker | F&ck! That's why my jukebox is so slow! |
19:23:09 | langhaarrocker | Do you measure the frequency or read out some magic values from the rom? |
19:23:59 | LinusN | ok, i see now |
19:23:59 | LinusN | you have a 12MHz oscillator for the ISD200 |
19:24:00 | LinusN | i measure |
19:24:00 | LinusN | sort of |
19:24:01 | LinusN | i count the ticks during 1 second |
19:24:01 | | Join semaphore [0] (~wallie@h-66-167-7-58.lsanca54.covad.net) |
19:24:08 | LinusN | if i get 100, it's 11.0562MHz, if it's more, i guess it's 12MHz |
19:24:15 | LinusN | semaphore: player or recorder? |
19:25:12 | LinusN | langhaarrocker: what ROM version does your boot screen say? |
19:25:36 | langhaarrocker | As long as you don't ask catholic or protestant... |
19:25:36 | langhaarrocker | 1.17i |
19:25:42 | LinusN | thx |
19:26:49 | semaphore | recorder |
19:27:04 | semaphore | rom 1.28 |
19:27:23 | langhaarrocker | Btw: Last time I unscrewed the thing I forgot to resolder the mic. Not that I need it but now I of course have forgotten where to solder it to. Somewhen I'll have to do a beeping session with the multimeter. |
19:28:36 | langhaarrocker | Where has all loading of default files gone? |
19:28:56 | | Quit Hadaka (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
19:28:57 | | Join Hadaka_ [0] (naked@aka.pp.htv.fi) |
19:29:06 | | Nick Hadaka_ is now known as Hadaka (naked@aka.pp.htv.fi) |
19:30:55 | langhaarrocker | Don't we want to load default files any more? |
19:31:03 | langhaarrocker | why? |
19:34:14 | LinusN | we remember the loaded files |
19:34:24 | LinusN | just put them in .rockbox and play them |
19:34:28 | | Quit prv_ (Connection timed out) |
19:35:02 | LinusN | keep the filenames short (<16 chars i think, excluding extension) |
19:35:22 | langhaarrocker | So I must search in settings.c for where to put my default key scheme file? |
19:35:26 | LinusN | semaphore: d/l the latest bleeding edge build |
19:35:34 | LinusN | langhaarrocker: ? |
19:36:34 | langhaarrocker | I have a file with my default key bindings. That must be loaded at boot up. I have to use the same technique as for default.wps or whatever. |
19:37:37 | langhaarrocker | found it. |
19:38:34 | | Join Django [0] (kirufc@pd9e58da2.dip.t-dialin.net) |
19:38:57 | semaphore | i just did |
19:38:59 | langhaarrocker | I hate messing simultaniously with others at the same things. I don't want to have to solve cvs conflicts |
19:39:35 | | Quit wallie (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
19:39:50 | semaphore | rom:1.28 |
19:39:58 | semaphore | mask:0X0302 |
19:40:02 | semaphore | usb:pos |
19:40:11 | semaphore | usb: positive |
19:40:18 | semaphore | ata: 0X200 |
19:40:23 | semaphore | pr: positive |
19:40:34 | LinusN | thanks |
19:40:37 | semaphore | freq: 12MHz |
19:40:52 | LinusN | i don't believe you |
19:40:59 | semaphore | ? |
19:41:06 | LinusN | do that again |
19:41:40 | langhaarrocker | maybe semaphores wormlets creep faster than mine. |
19:42:13 | | Join Zagor [0] (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) |
19:42:21 | LinusN | semaphore: the frequency seems wrong |
19:42:29 | semaphore | hmmm. this time freq: 11.0592 |
19:42:30 | LinusN | hi Zagor |
19:42:34 | Zagor | hi |
19:42:37 | LinusN | semaphore: good |
19:43:18 | LinusN | collecting hardware info like crazy here |
19:43:31 | Zagor | seeing any patterns? |
19:43:43 | * | Zagor spots langhaarrocker |
19:43:48 | LinusN | the 12MHz oscillator on langhaarrockers recorder was a false alarm |
19:43:48 | langhaarrocker | that's me |
19:43:51 | semaphore | just reboot again and got freq: 11.0592 again |
19:43:57 | Zagor | ah |
19:44:00 | Django | Hi! |
19:44:06 | Zagor | hi Django |
19:44:12 | LinusN | semaphore: just a false measurement |
19:44:21 | semaphore | what about on mine? |
19:44:27 | LinusN | Zagor: i see patterns |
19:44:27 | semaphore | ok |
19:44:54 | LinusN | i'm still puzzled by the 0x200 bit |
19:45:30 | langhaarrocker | Is that some adress for adressing the hd? |
19:45:33 | LinusN | my theory is that recorders with 1.25 and up have shorter battery time than the others (with rockbox) |
19:45:49 | LinusN | langhaarrocker: no, the bit mask |
19:45:57 | LinusN | 0x302 |
19:46:04 | Zagor | we should get someone to do more measurements |
19:46:18 | Django | Linus,Zagor: my patched rockbox has button relases enabled. This make some menu functions return immediately. What about making them "release-proof"? |
19:46:38 | LinusN | a guy on funmp3players promised to do some measurements, but i haven't heard from him |
19:46:59 | * | langhaarrocker feels guilty for not having finished bindable keys, yet |
19:47:01 | Zagor | Django: they will be. why did you patch the release mask? |
19:47:17 | LinusN | langhaarrocker: we forgive you |
19:47:21 | LinusN | this time |
19:47:45 | * | langhaarrocker feels guilty for still holding back this fabulous peak meter patch |
19:47:46 | LinusN | three strikes |
19:47:51 | Django | Zagor: because I had to tell button press from button hold and button release. |
19:47:52 | * | LinusN is getting statistics from funmp3players too |
19:52:21 | Django | Linus: what kind of statistics is this? Number of Rockbox users? |
19:52:22 | langhaarrocker | Didn't you know that rockbox is just a trojan horse that posts to funmp3players for LinusNs statistic researches? |
19:52:22 | langhaarrocker | :) |
19:52:41 | LinusN | Django: i'm collecting hardware information |
19:52:49 | LinusN | Django: player or recorder? |
19:52:56 | Django | Recorder |
19:53:02 | Django | Two weeks old. |
19:53:23 | LinusN | Django: d/l the latest bleeding edge (not daily) build |
19:53:39 | Django | ok |
19:55:52 | Django | Linus: Running "Bleeding edge" now. |
19:56:13 | LinusN | go to menu->debug->view hw info |
19:56:24 | LinusN | and give me the info |
19:58:14 | Django | ROM 1.28 |
19:58:30 | Django | Mask: 0x0302 |
19:58:36 | Django | USB: positive |
19:58:44 | Django | ATA: 0x200 |
19:58:54 | Django | PR: positive |
19:59:08 | Django | Freq: 11.0592MHz |
19:59:12 | Django | done |
19:59:20 | LinusN | thanks |
19:59:56 | Django | Linus: are you hunting hardware-related problems? |
20:00 |
20:00:43 | LinusN | i am hunting hardware differences |
20:00:59 | LinusN | we do plug & play now, but i hope to use the hardware info instead |
20:01:43 | Django | what does "plug and play" refer to? |
20:02:57 | | Part semaphore |
20:03:39 | | Join elinenbe [0] (~elin@user-0cces0l.cable.mindspring.com) |
20:04:00 | elinenbe | LinusN: AN4: anywhere from 370-390 |
20:04:20 | elinenbe | LinusN: AN4: mostly 37C-383 |
20:04:57 | elinenbe | LinusN: AN4: with (just F3) 3FC or 3FF |
20:06:39 | Zagor | Django: it means we try to detect various hardware differences by magic tricks |
20:07:22 | elinenbe | the channel is pretty busy for this time of the day |
20:07:50 | LinusN | elinenbe: we have no margins for moving the F3 detection threshold |
20:08:21 | elinenbe | LinusN: what is F3 on most recorders? |
20:08:31 | LinusN | your top reading with F1+UP is 912 decimal |
20:08:37 | Zagor | F1 and UP is the same channel, we can't read that |
20:08:43 | LinusN | Björns F3 button gives 917 |
20:08:55 | LinusN | Zagor: we are not trying to do combos |
20:09:01 | Zagor | elinenbe is |
20:09:05 | | Nick Django is now known as Django|away (kirufc@pd9e58da2.dip.t-dialin.net) |
20:09:08 | LinusN | by mistake |
20:09:13 | Zagor | ? |
20:09:27 | LinusN | he accidentally presses F1+UP |
20:09:32 | elinenbe | I keep hitting F1+UP |
20:09:35 | LinusN | and it triggers F3 |
20:09:42 | elinenbe | and then the F3 quick menu pops up. |
20:09:58 | Zagor | how can you accidentally press F1+UP ?? |
20:10:07 | LinusN | using two hands |
20:10:23 | elinenbe | i go to the menu and hit up real fast, whil I am playing a song. |
20:10:37 | elinenbe | I end up overlapping the presses and then I have to hit F3 to get out of the menu. |
20:10:59 | Zagor | still, it's definitely no prio 8 bug |
20:11:26 | elinenbe | hehe... I know that :) |
20:11:30 | elinenbe | I was just playing. |
20:11:58 | Zagor | please don't. we actually use the prio field. |
20:12:36 | elinenbe | oh.. okay. Why does Sourceforge send out so many copies of bug reports? |
20:12:41 | LinusN | ...to mod down silly bug reports :-) |
20:12:51 | Zagor | elinenbe: it sends one copy for each change |
20:13:00 | elinenbe | ah.... |
20:14:41 | elinenbe | I think you should use the [Hardware Info] screen information to make a lookup table to adjust to the different versions of the recorder at bootup. |
20:15:36 | Zagor | elinenbe: that's the idea |
20:17:49 | elinenbe | then hopefully there will not have to be any little hacks for certain versions, etc. |
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20:18:36 | Django | Could it be that the bleeding edge build ignores my default.fnt ? |
20:19:09 | LinusN | Django: yes |
20:19:48 | langhaarrocker | people: duck! I'll try again to post a patch. Last time I ended up posting thrice by accident. |
20:20:44 | Django | Well, then I asume there is now a different way to select a default font. Any hint ? |
20:20:53 | LinusN | langhaarrocker: the trick is not to use Back in your browser |
20:21:08 | LinusN | Django: put your fonts in .rockbox/ |
20:21:13 | LinusN | and play them |
20:21:20 | langhaarrocker | LinusN: I won't doulbe check that :) |
20:21:22 | LinusN | rockbox remembers which font you loaded |
20:23:38 | Django | where is the font selection stored? |
20:23:49 | LinusN | on disk |
20:23:53 | LinusN | in sector 61 |
20:24:21 | elinenbe | it does not remember it here. |
20:24:39 | elinenbe | if I load a font and then shut off, then turn back on, it is the built in font. |
20:24:45 | Django | I see. So if I use some older version in between that info is lost ? |
20:24:48 | LinusN | it only remembers fonts that are loaded from .rockbox/ |
20:25:01 | LinusN | and if their names are short |
20:25:12 | elinenbe | oh.. |
20:25:24 | elinenbe | I have my fonts in .rockbox/fonts/ |
20:25:34 | elinenbe | I think that will be causing some problems :) |
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20:27:20 | Zagor | no problems, it just will not remember them :-) |
20:27:52 | Django | Has default.wps also been killed? |
20:28:15 | Zagor | yes |
20:28:37 | Zagor | just "play" it once to get back the old behaviour |
20:29:03 | elinenbe | how do you get back to the default (built in wps and font)? |
20:29:22 | Zagor | elinenbe: you don't, yet |
20:29:30 | Zagor | i'll add that |
20:29:38 | langhaarrocker | Generalsettings->reset? |
20:29:46 | elinenbe | see, I just loaded a wps, that has nothing in it. :) |
20:30:02 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: that does not reset already loaded font and wps |
20:30:11 | Zagor | yet... |
20:30:20 | langhaarrocker | :) |
20:30:50 | langhaarrocker | neither does it reset loadable key schemes. Yet. |
20:30:55 | Zagor | haha |
20:30:58 | norm_ | elinenbe: Some of us have seen that bug before |
20:31:06 | norm_ | The first time you load the .wps you get a blank screen |
20:31:13 | norm_ | If you restart, it will work |
20:31:22 | elinenbe | my wps was blank though! |
20:31:24 | norm_ | For me, even going to browse mode and back to WPS made it work |
20:31:28 | elinenbe | it was supposed to be like that! |
20:31:33 | norm_ | elinenbe: Oh |
20:31:37 | norm_ | It was supposed to be blank? |
20:31:50 | elinenbe | I like the "blank screen look" |
20:31:57 | LinusN|tea | langhaarrocker: the RTC block can not be larger than 44 bytes |
20:32:09 | langhaarrocker | :( |
20:32:31 | langhaarrocker | Honestly I didn't really understand that thing. |
20:32:49 | LinusN|tea | you don't need to change RTC_BLOCK_SIZE |
20:32:49 | Django | Can't we get it both ways please? Use the stored font/wps but make them overridable by default.* files. |
20:33:12 | LinusN|tea | Django: why? |
20:33:56 | LinusN|tea | langhaarrocker: you did everything else (almost) right |
20:34:14 | langhaarrocker | Strange. That's not my style. |
20:34:21 | Django | Some people (e.g. me) would like rockbox to come always with the same look, no matter what I did to it during the last session. |
20:35:12 | LinusN|tea | langhaarrocker: what's the max value for release? |
20:35:26 | langhaarrocker | lcd_width |
20:36:22 | Zagor | Django: the whole idea is for it to stay as you selected last time, and *not* go back to a hardcoded default |
20:37:57 | Django | Linus: what if I make a font consisting entirely of blanks, put it on the web and anounce it? If you load that your display goes blank. Could be shocling for a 'normal' user. |
20:38:41 | langhaarrocker | LinusN: do you think about combining releas value with something else in the rtc? We can reduce its max range to say 32 without noticable effects. |
20:39:05 | Zagor | "I also intend to put together a User Requirements document and Design Document." −− JBMMFirmware project guy. (They haven't yet figured out how the firmware is even loaded) |
20:39:45 | Zagor | talk about brainwashed guy |
20:39:56 | langhaarrocker | Apropos design: anything happened with the t-shirt design? |
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20:44:41 | Zagor | i don't know |
20:44:42 | elinenbe | Zagor: hehe |
20:44:58 | Zagor | he wants to make a "Cost Benefit Analysis"! |
20:45:12 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
20:45:12 | * | Zagor responds |
20:45:33 | elinenbe | items to be put in the safe and never looked at again "queue playing, hard drive writing, t-shirts" |
20:45:45 | Zagor | haha |
20:45:57 | langhaarrocker | :) |
20:46:10 | Zagor | bagder is the tshirt guy. i know noooothing |
20:46:36 | elinenbe | what about disk writing... I will gladly test it! :) |
20:47:00 | langhaarrocker | Whenever Zagor writes about the t-shirt contest he makes me feel as if some middle sized catastrophe happened. |
20:47:24 | elinenbe | I know what you mean... |
20:48:01 | elinenbe | umm... tshirts... we'll get to it when possible! Things are happening... Gotta go. NOW!!! Bye! |
20:49:08 | langhaarrocker | Normally it ends with something that could be a joke on bagder, but I never get the point. |
20:49:15 | Zagor | hehe |
20:49:40 | Zagor | elinenbe: i'll resume work on disk writing as soon as 1.4 is released. |
20:49:54 | Zagor | i only have so many hours per day... |
20:50:08 | langhaarrocker | I know what you mean. |
20:50:09 | elinenbe | I have already worked on writing on my recorder. Now it has a neat tattoo on the back! |
20:50:19 | Zagor | :-) |
20:50:20 | langhaarrocker | :) |
20:50:24 | elinenbe | some of us have free time all day! |
20:50:30 | elinenbe | later. |
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20:51:27 | langhaarrocker | I only applied some cool scratches that makes the thing look really vintage. |
20:53:16 | langhaarrocker | I have found a bug. It still happens with the bleeding edge rockbox. |
20:54:19 | langhaarrocker | Pressing my down or right button I don't hear any click any more. Please solve! |
20:54:19 | langhaarrocker | hm. |
20:54:19 | langhaarrocker | Where do I get replacement buttons? :) |
20:54:44 | Zagor | hehe |
20:54:58 | Zagor | you might be able to replace the microswitches, actually |
20:55:13 | langhaarrocker | You can bet that I will do that. |
20:55:29 | langhaarrocker | Maybe I have some spare ones lying around. |
20:56:22 | langhaarrocker | There are a couple of dead md portables bouncing around here somewhere... |
20:59:48 | langhaarrocker | The subscribers count of the rockbox list doesn't count subscribers using news.gmande.org, does it? |
20:59:54 | Zagor | no |
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21:08:01 | LinusN|tea | xam: player or recorder? |
21:08:12 | xam | recorder 20 |
21:08:21 | LinusN|tea | can you do me a favour? |
21:08:23 | langhaarrocker | LinusN: do you have macros in your irc client? |
21:08:34 | LinusN|tea | langhaarrocker: no, unfortunately not |
21:08:35 | LinusN|tea | :-) |
21:09:34 | LinusN|tea | xam: can you d/l the latest bleeding edge (not daily) build? |
21:10:09 | xam | yes, of course ... I can download it. But my player is at home right now (and I'm at work) |
21:10:24 | LinusN|tea | ah, ok then. never mind |
21:10:33 | LinusN|tea | what ROM version is it, btw? |
21:10:38 | xam | LinusN you mean CVS, allright? |
21:11:11 | LinusN|tea | the latest bleeding edge build is on the daily build page, below the large table |
21:11:41 | xam | okay .. |
21:11:41 | langhaarrocker | Did you know: The rockbox source is already more text than Tolkiens Lord of the Rings. |
21:12:04 | Zagor | haha |
21:12:05 | LinusN|tea | bloat |
21:12:17 | xam | langhaarrocker I hope you're not going to make a film about it ... |
21:12:28 | langhaarrocker | not without t-shirt. |
21:14:50 | langhaarrocker | And I thing a film wouldn't suit the topic. I'd prefer an audio book. |
21:17:16 | Zagor | a dramatic reading! :-) |
21:24:08 | langhaarrocker | apropos drama: I forgot to mention the peak meter patch includes a feature that shows a slidebar for those settings that use set_int... |
21:24:42 | Zagor | you should split stuff like that into a separarate patch |
21:25:04 | langhaarrocker | I'd have done that if I remembered it early enough. |
21:26:29 | * | langhaarrocker never get's things right |
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21:27:12 | xam | langhaarrocker: you mean "never gets things right", not "get's" |
21:27:24 | langhaarrocker | that's what I mean |
21:27:35 | langhaarrocker | :) |
21:27:40 | xam | langhaarrocker so you even didn't got this right ;) |
21:27:50 | langhaarrocker | point taken |
21:29:35 | langhaarrocker | I don't even get the size of ajbrec.ajz right. Mine is 14 kb bigger than the bleeding edge. |
21:32:55 | xam | langhaarrocker but the same crosscompilers? |
21:33:27 | langhaarrocker | It's bigger due to my additional sources for investigating bindable key schemes. |
21:33:48 | langhaarrocker | And I have the star game, too |
21:35:18 | langhaarrocker | And a peak meter patch and the start of a game I will probably never finish and a split editor... Things sum up. |
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21:35:45 | LinusN|tea | Jet8810: player or recorder? |
21:36:08 | langhaarrocker | lol |
21:36:11 | Zagor | linus is on the hunt :-) |
21:36:17 | * | LinusN|tea is busy today |
21:36:31 | LinusN|tea | look! no macros! |
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21:37:00 | langhaarrocker | Watch out for your keys: my up and my right key are already broken:) |
21:37:20 | Zagor | macros? |
21:37:21 | Jet8810 | studio player |
21:37:38 | LinusN | Jet8810: can you d/l the latest bleeding edge build? |
21:41:06 | LinusN | Zagor: no keyboard macro for "<nick>: player or recorder?" |
21:41:14 | Zagor | ah |
21:41:19 | LinusN | :-) |
21:46:16 | Jet8810 | LInusN, sure |
21:46:18 | Jet8810 | why: |
21:46:18 | Jet8810 | ? |
21:47:50 | langhaarrocker | I want to make a uisim for windows using cygwin. The makefile generated with configure complains it doesn't find i386-mingw32msvc-gcc. I just reinstalled the mingw package with the cygwin installer and it didn't help. Do I need any kind of external mingw stuff? Bad config? |
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21:48:54 | Topic | "We are doing a Recorder hardware survey. Please download the latest bleeding edge build, go to Menu->Debug->HW Info and report the values to LinusN." by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) |
21:49:08 | Zagor | how's that? :-) |
21:49:23 | LinusN | Jet8810: i want you to run a test for me |
21:49:31 | langhaarrocker | Zagor: better than 'In Linus we trust' |
21:49:36 | Zagor | hehe |
21:49:47 | Jet8810 | i have the PLAYER though linus |
21:49:50 | LinusN | Zagor: not only Recorder |
21:49:53 | Zagor | oh |
21:49:54 | Jet8810 | aint it recorder you want? hehe ;) |
21:49:59 | Jet8810 | oh ok |
21:50:00 | Topic | "We are doing a hardware survey. Please download the latest bleeding edge build, go to Menu->Debug->HW Info and report the values to LinusN." by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) |
21:50:11 | langhaarrocker | (I trust in Linus anyway) |
21:50:17 | Zagor | fool |
21:50:24 | Zagor | ;) |
21:50:24 | LinusN | :-) |
21:51:12 | LinusN | oops, i have forgotten a test... :-) |
21:51:22 | LinusN | the MAS reset pin |
21:51:27 | LinusN | never mind |
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21:56:36 | langhaarrocker | Did some dirty code, gonna have a bath. cu later. |
21:56:43 | LinusN | l8r |
21:57:02 | langhaarrocker | I'll never get things right... |
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21:58:07 | Jet8810 | alright |
21:58:20 | Jet8810 | viewing HW info on studio 20 shows rom: 5.06 |
21:59:11 | LinusN | use + to move to the next screen |
21:59:24 | Jet8810 | k |
21:59:43 | Jet8810 | usb: neg |
21:59:48 | Jet8810 | ata 0x300 |
21:59:56 | Jet8810 | mask: 0000 |
22:00 |
22:00:18 | LinusN | thanks |
22:00:31 | LinusN | what ROM version does the firmware say on boot |
22:00:35 | LinusN | ? |
22:01:03 | Jet8810 | 5.08 |
22:01:49 | LinusN | how about that... |
22:03:12 | LinusN | Jet8810: thanks a lot |
22:03:49 | LinusN | ok, the players don't seem to use the mask |
22:07:55 | PsycoXul | my studio20 says 5.03 on boot and in the hw info, otherwise the same as jet's |
22:12:16 | LinusN | i'll include the MAS reset tomorrow |
22:14:53 | LinusN | or maybe later tonight |
22:16:15 | elinenbe|skating | what is the MAS reset for? |
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22:18:17 | LinusN | elinenbe: resetting the MAS, of course :-) |
22:19:37 | elinenbe | LinusN: yeah, well why is that needed? |
22:21:57 | LinusN | to reset the MAS as initialization time, at startup |
22:22:48 | elinenbe | LinusN: has this been a problem... |
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22:29:07 | elinenbe | radhard: the protocol man. |
22:35:06 | LinusN | elinenbe: no, it hasn't been a problem. we don't use it today |
22:35:23 | LinusN | but since we're doing a survey, it might be nice to have that info too |
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22:48:24 | Okidoki | Hi, |
22:48:53 | Okidoki | how can i get ri of the : Saving failed, is the battery empty message? |
22:51:07 | LinusN | Okidoki: you have to format the drive with a partition table |
22:52:37 | Okidoki | Hi Linus, I have a parition table on the disk as far as I know... the partition is active it says |
22:52:41 | Okidoki | with partition magic |
22:53:54 | LinusN | ok, on which sector does that partition begin? |
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23:04:18 | Okidoki | hm...I have no iedea..any idea how I can see that? |
23:09:02 | LinusN | partition magic |
23:09:24 | Okidoki | Okidoki: |
23:13:38 | Okidoki | hmmm...very strange disk errors to me..Info: End C,H,S values were large drive placeholders. Actual values are: 0 0 80 0 0 1 04 2431 254 63 0 39070080 |
23:13:48 | Okidoki | Error #120: Logical Drive chain extends toward start of drive. |
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23:16:17 | LinusN | Okidoki: very strange, did you use PM to partition the disk? |
23:16:26 | Okidoki | nope...with xp.. |
23:16:48 | Okidoki | partition magic wanted me to reboot when I tried, but then I got an error |
23:17:03 | Okidoki | so I didn't succeed, I can reformat with xp thoug |
23:19:48 | LinusN | that's funny |
23:20:15 | LinusN | of all the guys that come to us with strange disk problems, 9 out of 10 use XP or w2k |
23:20:22 | Okidoki | yeah....vewwwy funny |
23:20:29 | Okidoki | sorry, I don'tknow much about xp |
23:20:37 | LinusN | so PM chokes on the disk? |
23:21:07 | Okidoki | yep, seems so, but I don't get why xp should be completely rebooted for an extern disk format |
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23:26:51 | LinusN | well, if PM chokes on the disk I have no idea. XP isn't my expert field... |
23:27:19 | Okidoki | what if I format it with Me or so? |
23:27:39 | LinusN | that should be ok. Use fdisk to partition it |
23:27:46 | LinusN | is fdisk in Xp too? |
23:28:04 | Okidoki | nope...that is the problem...I can't fdisk it.. |
23:28:15 | LinusN | silly "operating system" |
23:28:20 | Okidoki | I can see the partitions with partition magic though |
23:28:23 | Okidoki | hehe... |
23:28:41 | Okidoki | I need one big primary partition or? how should itbe partitioned? |
23:29:24 | Zagor | i think "repeat off" should not show any repeat icon at all. the arrow is not intuitive. |
23:30:27 | LinusN | Zagor: agreed |
23:30:47 | LinusN | Okidoki: it must have a partition table, that's all |
23:31:05 | LinusN | at least one primary partition with FAT32 |
23:31:27 | LinusN | not a logícal partition |
23:31:35 | Okidoki | hmm...strange...it has that all the time..well ,will try it again. |
23:31:48 | LinusN | Okidoki: maybe it's a geometry problem |
23:32:16 | Zagor | LinusN: have you checked the last code with Farbror Frej? WPS doesn't work right for me. |
23:32:30 | Zagor | it keeps displaying the song after last track has ended |
23:32:31 | LinusN | Zagor: what happens? |
23:32:37 | Okidoki | what is a geometry problm? I read that in PM |
23:32:43 | LinusN | end of track detection? |
23:32:51 | Zagor | LinusN: yeah |
23:32:59 | LinusN | Okidoki: sectors per track and stuff like that |
23:33:22 | LinusN | Zagor: we may have a problem with that |
23:33:34 | Okidoki | ahh... can I fix those? or is that hardware related? |
23:33:37 | LinusN | but i can't see what it might be |
23:34:06 | LinusN | Okidoki: does PM say thing about LBA and CHS? |
23:36:29 | Okidoki | strange...PM says in Partition Info that the disk is fat 16...doesn't mention the others |
23:39:23 | LinusN | weirdo |
23:39:31 | LinusN | old version of PM? |
23:40:06 | Okidoki | version 8 |
23:40:15 | Okidoki | I can format in fat 32..will try now |
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23:42:51 | radhard | Does this hardware survey reveal imortant information? If yes I can reassemble my recorder for that. |
23:42:52 | BoD[] | youhouuuuuuuuu |
23:42:59 | LinusN | BoD[]: yo |
23:43:10 | BoD[] | :) |
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23:43:52 | LinusN | radhard: what ROM version? |
23:43:53 | BoD[] | what does this value (for the survey) mean ? |
23:44:12 | LinusN | it gives some information about the hardware |
23:44:22 | LinusN | differences between versions |
23:44:55 | BoD[] | the version of ... what exactly ? :) i'm just curious |
23:46:25 | LinusN | BoD[]: the ATA_EN signal to the ISDx00, for instance, is routed through an inverter on some boards |
23:46:44 | LinusN | and straight to the ISD on others |
23:47:08 | LinusN | same goes for the PR signal for the recording DMA interface |
23:47:19 | Okidoki | weird, I can format it with xp, but not with PM |
23:47:19 | LinusN | and the MAS reset signal |
23:47:21 | BoD[] | strange ! |
23:47:30 | LinusN | BoD[]: yes and no |
23:47:46 | LinusN | they probably try to save components |
23:48:09 | BoD[] | save ? |
23:48:14 | LinusN | BoD[]: have you reported your hardware config? |
23:48:22 | LinusN | save, as in costs |
23:48:37 | LinusN | they can save some cents on removing the inverters |
23:48:43 | BoD[] | so the new versions have less components, to be cheaper ? :)) |
23:48:54 | BoD[] | that's fun |
23:49:15 | BoD[] | well i did not report it yet, i'll do it tomorrow at work |
23:49:15 | LinusN | so far we have autodetected all those "features" |
23:49:24 | LinusN | BoD[]: great |
23:49:29 | BoD[] | :) |
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23:49:50 | BoD[] | that's the less the users can do, to contribute to rockbox |
23:50:32 | LinusN | Zagor: i know what the problem is |
23:51:17 | LinusN | hmmm...on second thought, no i don't :-) |
23:51:35 | Zagor | i'm debugging it |
23:52:04 | radhard | LinusN: 1.17 i think, but not sure 'cause disassembled :) |
23:52:53 | LinusN | radhard: that's the most interesting version |
23:53:16 | radhard | Ok, i'm on it... |
23:56:35 | LinusN | Zagor: so no TRACK_CHANGE on the last track? |
23:56:47 | Zagor | LinusN: it's not that. i'm on it... |
23:57:45 | radhard | Ok, it's 1.17. Info ROM:1.18 (boot says 1.17) Mask:0x0002 USB:negative ATA:0x300 PR:negative |
23:58:27 | LinusN | does it say plain 1.17 on boot, not 1.17i or 1.17ia? |
23:58:30 | radhard | Sorry, boot says 1.17i |