#rockbox 2002-10-30

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#rockbox log for 2002-10-30

00:00:00	LinusN	what gcc problems?
00:00:23	Gissehel	I think I've solved them :)
00:00:44	Gissehel	well, sh-elf-gcc
00:00:47	Gissehel	was not found
00:00:56	Gissehel	while I have sh-linux-gcc
00:01:13	Gissehel	changing elf by linux in the makefile was the wrong solution :)
00:01:37	Gissehel	the right one was to source the shell script I left in the compile dir with the path with the right gcc...
00:02:38	Gissehel	well, it seems to work
00:02:55	Gissehel	now, I'll have to wait about 3 or 4 hours to wait for binaries :)))
00:06:36	Gissehel	is there a file "fonts/clR6x8.bdf" in firmaware ?
00:07:06	Gissehel	ok
00:07:11	Gissehel	that was cvs
00:07:30	Gissehel	he didn't bring me the newly created font folder
00:07:57	LinusN	cvs update -dP
00:08:25	Gissehel	yes yes now I did it :)
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00:14:24	LinusN	Gissehel: slow computer?
00:14:46	Gissehel	cyrix P200+ :)
00:15:04	LinusN	speed monster!
00:15:08	Gissehel	yes :)
00:15:25	Gissehel	that due to the + :)))
00:18:18	Gissehel	seems sooo slow to loas
00:18:19	Gissehel	seems sooo slow to load
00:18:29	Gissehel	is it normal ?
00:18:42	Gissehel	the archos os boot
00:19:07	Gissehel	and when he's usually loading the ajbrec.ajz
00:19:13	Gissehel	he's like freezed :)
00:19:20	Gissehel	I thing that's not normal :)))
00:19:50	LinusN	Gissehel: are all files in your CVS tree up to date?
00:20:04	Gissehel	well yes
00:20:16	LinusN	did you do "make clean"?
00:20:16	Gissehel	I did a "cvs up -dP"
00:20:49	Gissehel	no, but I think there was no obj at all in the dir I used...
00:20:53	LinusN	ok
00:20:58	Gissehel	I'll re-checkout...
00:21:12	LinusN	i have to go to bed soon. can you d/l the latest daily instead?
00:21:34	Gissehel	I have to go to bed too
00:23:05	langhaarrocker	LinusN: you're right - there is a performance problem with the peak meter at high bit rates.
00:23:14	Gissehel	ok
00:23:18	langhaarrocker	:(
00:23:26	Gissehel	it works
00:23:48	LinusN	langhaarrocker: i don't have problems...
00:24:06	LinusN	Gissehel: go to menu->debug->hw info
00:24:09	langhaarrocker	with 256 kbit and 320 kbit I get skips
00:24:34	Gissehel	ROM: 1.24
00:24:43	Gissehel	Mask : 2
00:24:49	Gissehel	USB : Neg.
00:24:54	Gissehel	ATA: 0x300
00:25:02	Gissehel	PR: neg
00:25:11	Gissehel	Freq: 11.0592
00:26:04	LinusN	Gissehel: what version is reported at boot?
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00:28:43	langhaarrocker	Seems the peak meter problems don't occur at linear scale.
00:29:55	LinusN	Gissehel: you have an unusual unit
00:30:12	LinusN	langhaarrocker: i haven't looked at the dB functions
00:32:34	LinusN	langhaarrocker: when is db_to_sample() called?
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00:36:59	LinusN	never mind. i'm going to bed
00:37:02	LinusN	bye all!
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00:42:27	Gissehel	bye
00:42:27	Gissehel	boku mo
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08:58:52	henrysunset	bored? i revided my rockbox ui doc to make more sense; enjoy. http://ghettohardware.com/rockbox/ −−- still open to ideas though. Many of the ideas were refined thanks to people scrutinizing my initial ideas.
08:58:58	henrysunset	*revised
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09:15:08	henrysunset	heya
09:15:29	Zagor	hi
09:26:11	mem	Zagor: Do you know when Bagder plans to show up here?
09:26:24	Zagor	no, i guess he'll pop in soon
09:27:21	mem	Okay, I have to wait then. We tried to sort out some language problems yesterday, but with todays build there are some other language problems
09:28:16	dwihno	What is the dB peak meter patch?
09:28:23	dwihno	"Phil Pertermann's dB peak meter patch"
09:28:35	dwihno	^ = ?
09:28:44	Zagor	logarithmic dB
09:28:54	dwihno	ah
09:29:02	dwihno	Must test that.
09:30:48	henrysunset	anyhow...
09:30:57	Zagor	have you guys looked at henrysunset's new key mapping suggestion?
09:31:24	henrysunset	P.S. it's different than what i posted a few days ago
09:31:36	Zagor	i'd like some 2nd, 3rd, 4th opinions
09:31:52	Zagor	http://ghettohardware.com/rockbox/
09:32:01	henrysunset	i posted the older version in here three days ago and lang/artine i think it was had some comments.
09:32:15	Zagor	ok
09:32:27	henrysunset	zagor: one perk of my design... where would the playlist fit onto the current design once it's ready?
09:33:02	Zagor	somewhere in the neigborhood of where recording fits in your design ;)
09:33:17	henrysunset	everythign fits into mine though.. through the main menu
09:33:37	Zagor	yeah, well everything can always be in the menu. that has nothing to do with the key mappings.
09:34:03	henrysunset	i agree.
09:34:35	henrysunset	well; if each view has an associated preferences overlay; we could make f1-f3 user selectable
09:35:15	henrysunset	so if we get recording working, then you could use f2 for it instead of the playlist... thus, the f2 overlay menu would now be recording prefs.
09:35:31	henrysunset	instead of playlist prefs; right?
09:35:38	Zagor	yeah, we could.
09:36:18	Zagor	my bottom line is I that while your design may be slightly better don't feel the difference is big enough to warrant changing it
09:36:23	henrysunset	that would slove that problem right?
09:36:51	Zagor	I don't
09:37:16	henrysunset	hrm.
09:37:23	Zagor	langaarrocker is working on totally custom key mapping, so we could test it then
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09:37:41	henrysunset	yes he has been. he had some comments as such.
09:37:55	henrysunset	i dunno how totally customizable it will really be though
09:38:07	henrysunset	if they get it really customizable we can do it with that.
09:38:33	henrysunset	UI aesthetics are just imprtant to me i guess.
09:38:50	henrysunset	i get lost in the UI sometimes, not kinwing quite which key will do what I want.
09:39:22	henrysunset	and as the project grows more features we need a stronger framework to keep things consistent.
09:39:41	Zagor	we have a few "blind spots" (such as the F1+xxx combo keys) but overall I think we've done a good job
09:39:58	henrysunset	(i am by no means saying it is bad)
09:40:10	henrysunset	i just think there is room for improvement
09:40:29	Zagor	you're right, we need to keep the UI strict. i'm just not sure the pain of change is worth it right now.
09:40:38	henrysunset	ok
09:40:59	henrysunset	you can post the link to the mailinglist if u like
09:41:06	Zagor	I do appreciate your suggestions
09:41:15	henrysunset	i read it thru the web interface so i'm not on the list.
09:41:39	Zagor	ok. but i think it would be better if you posted it, so you could answer people's questions
09:41:41	henrysunset	thanks... just tryign to do my part to make it better.
09:42:03	henrysunset	can i post w/out getting on the list?
09:42:29	henrysunset	i guess that would make it a bit hard to reply
09:42:34	henrysunset	i'll just join for awhile
09:42:34	Zagor	yes you can
09:42:57	Zagor	you can also use a news interface if you prefer that
09:43:02	henrysunset	k
09:43:20	henrysunset	if i post over the news interface it will get posted tot he whole mailinglist?
09:43:26	Zagor	yes
09:43:32	Zagor	news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.systems.archos.rockbox.general
09:43:47	henrysunset	oh ok
09:43:51	henrysunset	i'm on it
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10:06:02	henrysunset	night
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10:25:11	Mode	"#rockbox +t " by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se)
10:26:12	Topic	"Rockbox - Twice the caffeine! http://rockbox.haxx.se/TODO" by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se)
10:39:55	Schnueff_	http://rockbox.haxx.se/TODO
10:39:58	Schnueff_	uh sorry
10:40:02	Schnueff_	moin!
10:40:14	Zagor	heh, morn!
10:40:17	Schnueff_	always the problem with win focus :)
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10:44:02	Schnufef	uh its a bad day
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10:44:32	Zagor	:)
10:44:50	merwin	anyone here know anything about PHP by any chace? :P I'm racking my brain over something probably really stupid
10:45:34	merwin	:P
10:48:58	Zagor	not much, what's your problem?=
10:49:44	dwihno	echo "hello";
10:49:44	dwihno	:-)
10:49:49	dwihno	did it solve your problem?
10:50:08	merwin	heh
10:51:42	merwin	Basically, I'm creating a binary string (somewhat similar to a MIDI file), and having PHP add header()'s to set it to download as an attachment. When I use a hex editor, it added a 0x0a to the end of it. I didn't put that there.. I've tried the trim() and getting rid of the last character, but it seems to be added automatically
10:52:59	Zagor	http?
10:53:09	merwin	yeah
10:53:38	Zagor	sounds odd
10:53:41	Zagor	windows or unix?
10:53:51	merwin	unix
10:53:55	merwin	downloading via IE though
10:55:59	merwin	This is kind of fun though... I took C code, converted it into VB, then converted it from VB into PHP. And it actually works :P
10:57:12	Zagor	uhhh, i bet it looks just peachy...
10:57:57	merwin	Actually, the PHP code is the most streamlined of the 3...
10:58:03	merwin	VB lets you be sloppy
10:58:11	merwin	the C code I didn't write, and it started out sloppy
10:59:21	PsycoXul	0x0A is \n isn't it?
10:59:25	Zagor	yup
10:59:51	PsycoXul	so it's just treating it as text or something
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11:00:18	merwin	yeah
11:00:28	merwin	PHP probably adds \n to their strings at the end
11:00:35	merwin	but I can't get rid of it
11:01:12	PsycoXul	mabye there's something else you can do to keep it from treating it as text?
11:02:36	merwin	I can't seem to find anything in the docs
11:02:55	Zagor	which function are you using to "print" it?
11:03:16	merwin	print... hmm... wonder what happens if I use echo
11:03:24	merwin	that may be the problem :P
11:03:32	Zagor	doesn't print() simply add a newline?
11:03:37	merwin	I dunno
11:03:41	PsycoXul	doesn't php have a printf?
11:04:24	merwin	echo does the same thing
11:04:29	PsycoXul	heh i haven't used it since php3, and that was just a little part of a web chat i just wrote for the hell of it
11:04:51	merwin	I love php
11:05:02	PsycoXul	well i did the webchat in perl first
11:05:22	PsycoXul	and so then i decided to try php and it was a lot nicer than perl
11:05:22	PsycoXul	heh
11:05:59	merwin	yeah
11:06:23	PsycoXul	i'm not sure, but i do seem to remember it having a printf()
11:06:34	merwin	it does
11:07:02	merwin	how would I do it correctly with printf?
11:07:07	PsycoXul	so that usualy doesn't add anything
11:07:19	merwin	I'll try that
11:07:30	PsycoXul	i forget whatever php's syntax might be for printf...
11:07:30	PsycoXul	heh
11:09:12	merwin	printf(%s,create_kws($MyRow["rtttl"]));
11:09:15	merwin	same thing
11:09:56	Zagor	are you sure you're doing the http thing right?
11:10:30	merwin	any clue what the content type of an unknown attachment is?
11:10:41	Zagor	application/binary
11:11:52	Zagor	Content-type:application/binary\r\n
11:11:58	Zagor	Content-length: 2894894\r\n
11:12:04	Zagor	\r\n
11:12:06	Zagor	<data>
11:12:08	Zagor	<disconnect>
11:12:32	merwin	content-length = strlen($mystring)
11:12:33	merwin	?
11:12:43	Zagor	yup
11:13:30	Zagor	uh, wait. that was gnutella, not http :)
11:13:35	dwihno	:-)
11:13:54	dwihno	Zagor - the man of a thousand protocols :)
11:14:02	dwihno	Protocol Police ;)
11:14:04	Zagor	application/octet-stream is the correct type for http
11:15:05	merwin	it ignores the content-length
11:15:23	Zagor	"it"?
11:15:33	merwin	php...
11:15:38	merwin	you set the header using header()
11:15:43	Zagor	ah
11:15:50	merwin	ie: header("Content-type: audio/x-midi");
11:19:00	merwin	dunno :P
11:20:08	merwin	damn php, or damn IE... heh
11:24:01	merwin	wow, lynx has really progressed from the old days
11:24:58	merwin	it's definitely php, tried downloading with lynx, and the same result
11:35:13	*	dwihno starts to think about string termination or such
11:36:55	merwin	?
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11:39:05	dwihno	adding a \0 to terminate data or such
11:41:36	merwin	\0 is just 0x00, right?
11:41:44	dwihno	ya
11:41:51	merwin	won't do anything
11:42:04	merwin	I add a lot of 0x00's to the string during the assembly of the ringtone
11:49:33	merwin	what's the difference between low nibble first and high nibble first?
11:53:39	dwihno	The upper and lower parts of a byte
11:53:58	dwihno	11110000 <−−> 00001111
11:54:14	merwin	ahh
11:54:38	dwihno	or whatever :)
11:54:40	*	dwihno is no master
11:54:47	merwin	would pack/unpack help?
11:54:47	dwihno	Just young grasshopper
11:55:09	dwihno	dunno
11:55:19	merwin	heh
11:55:21	*	merwin is ignorantr
11:55:24	merwin	s/ignorantr/ignorant
11:55:45	dwihno	a single binary stream should work
11:57:18	merwin	I'm thinking that the cell phone should ignore the last character, since the file has a header that specifies the file length :)
11:57:54	dwihno	you can't rely on that :)
11:58:06	merwin	apparently can't rely on PHP either:)
11:58:11	dwihno	first rule of computing: NEVER assume anything ;)
11:58:43	merwin	and I don't have a kyocera cell phone to test it out on... I'm relying on other people's input on what works
11:58:52	*	merwin is a ringtone freak. http://tone.cc (my website)
12:00
12:00:15	merwin	3 years of development on one webpage :)
12:00:57	Zagor	what software are you using to transfer the tones?
12:01:47	dwihno	logomanager?
12:01:57	Zagor	ok
12:02:11	merwin	for kyocera its proprietary... they use a nifty encoding scheme on their ringtones that took a while to crack for me
12:02:16	merwin	I use logomanager for the nokia tones
12:02:38	merwin	and some ringtone conversion software that I wrote to go between different formats (ericsson, motorola, nokia, kyocera)
12:02:40	merwin	etc
12:03:12	Zagor	i'm asking since I've been meaning to add binary (ringtone, logo) etc support to Smash for a long time
12:03:26	merwin	coding is the only thing that keeps me sane on these absurdly long trips
12:03:58	Zagor	what's the best laptop for coding?
12:04:32	merwin	Zagor: I use a compaq armada
12:04:39	dwihno	com<barf>paq! ;D
12:04:41	merwin	well, compaq evo now
12:04:58	merwin	dwihno: compaq's corporate models are made of good hardware.. it's their regular retail models that are crap
12:05:03	dwihno	merwin: cool stuff, I was considering doing something similar a year ago...
12:06:07	merwin	zagor: http://nakentone.naken.cc ... software written in C that converts rtttl and bmp into binary format for nokia
12:06:17	merwin	Zagor: http://ringtonetools.mikekohn.net/ rather
12:07:17	Zagor	yeah well the actual format isn't the problem. the SMSC protocol is.
12:07:56	merwin	Zagor: once you get it into this binary format, you just send it over SMS as a text message
12:10:10	Zagor	yeah, but binary messages are different from text messages to the SMSC.
12:11:14	merwin	Nokia smart messaging protocol is good, but confusing as all hell :)
12:12:44	adi\|home	stupid slashdot
12:12:52	adi\|home	i sent in a link to our 1.4 release...
12:12:59	adi\|home	as an update to the original post
12:13:02	adi\|home	no luck...
12:13:13	adi\|home	but yet, EVERY new release of Phoenix gets up..
12:15:06	Zagor	the slashdot submission system is royally fucked. just look at how often articles are poster twice or more, or months after someone submitted it the first time.
12:16:16	dwihno	Hey, you used the F-word! :O
12:17:37	adi\|home	first?
12:17:43	adi\|home	whats wrong with that word?
12:17:51	adi\|home	unless its used in 'first post!'
12:18:31	merwin	ok, bedtime for me... it's starting to get light out :P
12:18:32	merwin	heh
12:18:40	adi\|home	hehe
12:18:51	adi\|home	i was sound asleep till the tones went off at 5 am :)
12:18:52	merwin	I gotta get up in 5 hours
12:19:07	merwin	the tones?
12:20:06	adi\|home	sorry..
12:20:09	adi\|home	i ride for my ambulance corp
12:20:23	merwin	ahh
12:20:24	adi\|home	'tones' = WAKE UP!!! someone needs an ambulance!!!
12:20:45	merwin	I could never do that... I'd hit the snooze button :)
12:20:57	adi\|home	or: [T]oness [O]ffer [NM
12:21:01	adi\|home	damn keyboard
12:21:07	adi\|home	tones offer no extra sleep
12:21:12	adi\|home	t.o.n.e.s
12:21:13	adi\|home	nods
12:21:23	merwin	heh
12:21:54	merwin	So are we ever going to try to create support for the multimedia?
12:21:58	adi\|home	invariably. the 3-6 am calls are ppl who have been sick/ill for 2+ days and JUST now decide they want help..
12:22:05	adi\|home	i say fuck no
12:22:09	adi\|home	but thats just me
12:22:33	merwin	:)
12:22:44	adi\|home	and i quote
12:23:13	adi\|home	<adi\|home> if one more mother fucker 'begs' for archos multimedia support im going to find out where they live and leave a dead cat on their porch.
12:23:40	merwin	hehe
12:23:48	*	adi\|home is well stocked up on dead cats too.. so watch it
12:23:51	*	adi\|home heads to bed
12:23:52	adi\|home	nithe
12:24:01	merwin	we will need to support it eventually, since the new recorder w/radio is on it now I think
12:24:20	Zagor	we won't support it. ever.
12:24:27	Zagor	Archos made sure we wouldn't
12:24:32	merwin	really?
12:24:32	merwin	why?
12:24:50	Zagor	it doesn't firmware files from disk. you have to flash it.
12:25:08	Zagor	doesn't load
12:25:30	merwin	that's really stupid of them
12:25:33	merwin	REALLY stupid
12:25:37	Zagor	which means the very first attempt you make must have a working GUI, filesytem and flash code in it
12:25:51	Zagor	i can't disagree with you there...
12:26:25	merwin	personally, I think ALL devices should have as easily upgradable firmware as the jukebox
12:27:05	Zagor	yup. i'm dying to hack my phone.
12:27:09	merwin	virtually impossible to fuck things up :) unlike flashing, where you can ruin a device easily
12:27:58	merwin	Now Sony Ericsson.... they went a step further with paranoia... they only allow authorized service centers to flash their devices. Not even us in the Engineering dept at T-Mobile are allowed to flash our own test phones
12:28:29	Zagor	cute
12:28:58	merwin	well, bedtime for me
12:28:59	merwin	ttyl
12:29:02	Zagor	bye
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12:33:19	Zagor	tunnels are fun
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15:22:30	Zagor	ooh, brazil!
15:23:16	Decayer	:)
15:23:39	Zagor	what's the temperature like down there?
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15:24:24	Decayer	no, here is hot!
15:24:46	Decayer	where .se is ?
15:25:08	Zagor	Sweden. 1.4 C this morning...
15:25:42	Decayer	Sweden...course...
15:25:57	Decayer	Sao Paulo - Brasil - 30 C now
15:28:04	Zagor	i didn't see that... ;)
15:29:02	Decayer	sorry, 21�C
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15:31:06	Decayer	What you have made with this cold?
15:31:48	Zagor	we code a lot :-)
15:33:30	Decayer	I would like to live in Sweden...sounds cool
15:34:01	Zagor	hehe, yeah it's cool (cold) alright.
15:34:09	Zagor	learn to love snow
15:34:21	Decayer	hehe I like cold...
15:35:01	Zagor	that's what everybody thinks, until they live through a Real Winter :)
15:35:55	Decayer	The winter also is strong here
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15:38:31	Zagor	are there many archos owners in brazil?
15:39:06	Decayer	archos ?
15:39:36	Zagor	hehe, yeah you know the little thing that Rockbox runs on
15:40:15	Decayer	none :)
15:40:36	Decayer	I entered for curiosity. :)
15:40:42	Zagor	haha
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16:10:29	Zagor	wtf? how can exit(1) not give an exit code to the parent shell??
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16:14:30	kargatron	i've been noticing that 'pause' sometimes takes a second or so, which i never really noticed before.
16:14:38	kargatron	is that a new thing, or did i just never notice previously?
16:15:24	Zagor	it's old. it happens sometimes during bitswap.
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17:15:07	Norrin	Good day, anyone got time to maybe help me with a problem I have with my Archos Studio 20 Player?
17:15:29	Zagor	i'm afraid I have to leave very soon. what is your problem?
17:15:30	Decayer	I'm back
17:15:52	Norrin	After turning the player off, it has a life of it's own.
17:16:15	Norrin	Green light slowly comes back on and the LCD screen gets some power. It reads Power off.
17:16:36	Norrin	Tried everything. Replaced batteries, Rockbox firmware, Archos firmware, etc.
17:16:46	Norrin	No change, continues to do the same thing.
17:17:02	Zagor	strange. sounds like dodgy hardware.
17:17:42	Norrin	Does Rockbox keep older firmware available for download? I would be curious to try version 1.2.
17:18:25	Norrin	Does the firmware make any memory changes to the onboard chips? Loads into ROM?
17:18:34	Zagor	the files are there, but they are not linked. trust me, it will not make a differnce to your problem
17:20:19	Norrin	If I were to open the player up, can you tell me where I should look? Does your website show detail of what could be causing it?
17:20:54	Zagor	no. this is not a documented problem.
17:21:15	Norrin	Bummer, hate to be the first sometimes.
17:21:51	Norrin	Just tried it again, powers down fine then the LCD slowly powers back up.
17:22:02	Norrin	Player works fine, just drains the batteries.
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17:22:33	Zagor	very odd. you should talk to archos, and maybe ask on the yahoo forum
17:23:20	Norrin	Talked to Archos, they said it was the batteries. Tried three sets, still the same problem.
17:23:31	Norrin	Asked on Yahoo, still waiting on replies.
17:23:40	Norrin	Thanks for your time, sorry to bother ya.
17:23:50	Norrin	Excellent job on the Rockbox Firmware by the way.
17:23:58	Zagor	talk to archos again. bad batteries make a device go OFF too soon, not ON...
17:24:04	Zagor	thanks
17:24:20	Zagor	gotta run
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22:37:16	langhaarrocker	Is here anybody who knows whether it is possible to profile rockbox with the serial adapter?
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23:49:54	merwin	yay!
23:51:51	LinusN	yo
23:52:18	merwin	heya linus!
23:52:26	merwin	how's the new addition? Getting any sleep yet? (probably not)
23:53:57	LinusN	she sleeps quite a lot, so that's really not a problem
23:54:38	LinusN	my wife, however, will have to spend the next 5-6 months in a wheelchair
23:54:45	merwin	ack! why?
23:55:32	LinusN	i don't know the english name for it, but it has to do with the joints
23:55:52	LinusN	enormous pain, unable to sit or stand
23:56:55	merwin	ah. Well that's no good. At least the baby isn't awake all the time though... that combined with your wife's problem would really be horrible.
23:57:15	merwin	My brother and his wife had a kid recently and they didn't get more than 2 hours of sleep per night for almost a month
23:57:25	LinusN	i read somewhere that babies tend to sleep a lot if the mother is sick
23:58:12	merwin	that's kind of them

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