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#rockbox log for 2002-10-30

00:00:00LinusNwhat gcc problems?
00:00:23GissehelI think I've solved them :)
00:00:44Gissehelwell, sh-elf-gcc
00:00:47Gissehelwas not found
00:00:56Gissehelwhile I have sh-linux-gcc
00:01:13Gissehelchanging elf by linux in the makefile was the wrong solution :)
00:01:37Gissehelthe right one was to source the shell script I left in the compile dir with the path with the right gcc...
00:02:38Gissehelwell, it seems to work
00:02:55Gissehelnow, I'll have to wait about 3 or 4 hours to wait for binaries :)))
00:06:36Gissehelis there a file "fonts/clR6x8.bdf" in firmaware ?
00:07:06Gissehelok
00:07:11Gissehelthat was cvs
00:07:30Gissehelhe didn't bring me the newly created font folder
00:07:57LinusNcvs update -dP
00:08:25Gissehelyes yes now I did it :)
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00:14:24LinusNGissehel: slow computer?
00:14:46Gissehelcyrix P200+ :)
00:15:04LinusNspeed monster!
00:15:08Gissehelyes :)
00:15:25Gissehelthat due to the + :)))
00:18:18Gissehelseems sooo slow to loas
00:18:19Gissehelseems sooo slow to load
00:18:29Gissehelis it normal ?
00:18:42Gissehelthe archos os boot
00:19:07Gisseheland when he's usually loading the ajbrec.ajz
00:19:13Gissehelhe's like freezed :)
00:19:20GissehelI thing that's not normal :)))
00:19:50LinusNGissehel: are all files in your CVS tree up to date?
00:20:04Gissehelwell yes
00:20:16LinusNdid you do "make clean"?
00:20:16GissehelI did a "cvs up -dP"
00:20:49Gissehelno, but I think there was no obj at all in the dir I used...
00:20:53LinusNok
00:20:58GissehelI'll re-checkout...
00:21:12LinusNi have to go to bed soon. can you d/l the latest daily instead?
00:21:34GissehelI have to go to bed too
00:23:05langhaarrockerLinusN: you're right - there is a performance problem with the peak meter at high bit rates.
00:23:14Gissehelok
00:23:18langhaarrocker:(
00:23:26Gissehelit works
00:23:48LinusNlanghaarrocker: i don't have problems...
00:24:06LinusNGissehel: go to menu->debug->hw info
00:24:09langhaarrockerwith 256 kbit and 320 kbit I get skips
00:24:34GissehelROM: 1.24
00:24:43GissehelMask : 2
00:24:49GissehelUSB : Neg.
00:24:54GissehelATA: 0x300
00:25:02GissehelPR: neg
00:25:11GissehelFreq: 11.0592
00:26:04LinusNGissehel: what version is reported at boot?
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00:28:43langhaarrockerSeems the peak meter problems don't occur at linear scale.
00:29:55LinusNGissehel: you have an unusual unit
00:30:12LinusNlanghaarrocker: i haven't looked at the dB functions
00:32:34LinusNlanghaarrocker: when is db_to_sample() called?
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00:36:59LinusNnever mind. i'm going to bed
00:37:02LinusNbye all!
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00:42:27Gissehelbye
00:42:27Gissehelboku mo
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08:58:52henrysunsetbored? i revided my rockbox ui doc to make more sense; enjoy. http://ghettohardware.com/rockbox/ −−- still open to ideas though. Many of the ideas were refined thanks to people scrutinizing my initial ideas.
08:58:58henrysunset*revised
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09:15:08henrysunsetheya
09:15:29Zagorhi
09:26:11memZagor: Do you know when Bagder plans to show up here?
09:26:24Zagorno, i guess he'll pop in soon
09:27:21memOkay, I have to wait then. We tried to sort out some language problems yesterday, but with todays build there are some other language problems
09:28:16dwihnoWhat is the dB peak meter patch?
09:28:23dwihno"Phil Pertermann's dB peak meter patch"
09:28:35dwihno^ = ?
09:28:44Zagorlogarithmic dB
09:28:54dwihnoah
09:29:02dwihnoMust test that.
09:30:48henrysunsetanyhow...
09:30:57Zagorhave you guys looked at henrysunset's new key mapping suggestion?
09:31:24henrysunsetP.S. it's different than what i posted a few days ago
09:31:36Zagori'd like some 2nd, 3rd, 4th opinions
09:31:52Zagorhttp://ghettohardware.com/rockbox/
09:32:01henrysunseti posted the older version in here three days ago and lang/artine i think it was had some comments.
09:32:15Zagorok
09:32:27henrysunsetzagor: one perk of my design... where would the playlist fit onto the current design once it's ready?
09:33:02Zagorsomewhere in the neigborhood of where recording fits in your design ;)
09:33:17henrysunseteverythign fits into mine though.. through the main menu
09:33:37Zagoryeah, well everything can always be in the menu. that has nothing to do with the key mappings.
09:34:03henrysunseti agree.
09:34:35henrysunsetwell; if each view has an associated preferences overlay; we could make f1-f3 user selectable
09:35:15henrysunsetso if we get recording working, then you could use f2 for it instead of the playlist... thus, the f2 overlay menu would now be recording prefs.
09:35:31henrysunsetinstead of playlist prefs; right?
09:35:38Zagoryeah, we could.
09:36:18Zagormy bottom line is I that while your design may be slightly better don't feel the difference is big enough to warrant changing it
09:36:23henrysunsetthat would slove that problem right?
09:36:51Zagor*I don't*
09:37:16henrysunsethrm.
09:37:23Zagorlangaarrocker is working on totally custom key mapping, so we could test it then
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09:37:41henrysunsetyes he has been. he had some comments as such.
09:37:55henrysunseti dunno how totally customizable it will really be though
09:38:07henrysunsetif they get it really customizable we can do it with that.
09:38:33henrysunsetUI aesthetics are just imprtant to me i guess.
09:38:50henrysunseti get lost in the UI sometimes, not kinwing quite which key will do what I want.
09:39:22henrysunsetand as the project grows more features we need a stronger framework to keep things consistent.
09:39:41Zagorwe have a few "blind spots" (such as the F1+xxx combo keys) but overall I think we've done a good job
09:39:58henrysunset(i am by no means saying it is bad)
09:40:10henrysunseti just think there is room for improvement
09:40:29Zagoryou're right, we need to keep the UI strict. i'm just not sure the pain of change is worth it right now.
09:40:38henrysunsetok
09:40:59henrysunsetyou can post the link to the mailinglist if u like
09:41:06ZagorI do appreciate your suggestions
09:41:15henrysunseti read it thru the web interface so i'm not on the list.
09:41:39Zagorok. but i think it would be better if you posted it, so you could answer people's questions
09:41:41henrysunsetthanks... just tryign to do my part to make it better.
09:42:03henrysunsetcan i post w/out getting on the list?
09:42:29henrysunseti guess that would make it a bit hard to reply
09:42:34henrysunseti'll just join for awhile
09:42:34Zagoryes you can
09:42:57Zagoryou can also use a news interface if you prefer that
09:43:02henrysunsetk
09:43:20henrysunsetif i post over the news interface it will get posted tot he whole mailinglist?
09:43:26Zagoryes
09:43:32Zagornews://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.systems.archos.rockbox.general
09:43:47henrysunsetoh ok
09:43:51henrysunseti'm on it
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10:25:02Mode"#rockbox +o Zagor " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
10:25:09Mode"#rockbox -t " by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se)
10:25:11Mode"#rockbox +t " by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se)
10:26:12Topic"Rockbox - Twice the caffeine! http://rockbox.haxx.se/TODO" by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se)
10:39:55Schnueff_http://rockbox.haxx.se/TODO
10:39:58Schnueff_uh sorry
10:40:02Schnueff_moin!
10:40:14Zagorheh, morn!
10:40:17Schnueff_always the problem with win focus :)
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10:44:02Schnufefuh its a bad day
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10:44:32Zagor:)
10:44:50merwinanyone here know anything about PHP by any chace? :P I'm racking my brain over something probably really stupid
10:45:34merwin:P
10:48:58Zagornot much, what's your problem?=
10:49:44dwihnoecho "hello";
10:49:44dwihno:-)
10:49:49dwihnodid it solve your problem?
10:50:08merwinheh
10:51:42merwinBasically, I'm creating a binary string (somewhat similar to a MIDI file), and having PHP add header()'s to set it to download as an attachment. When I use a hex editor, it added a 0x0a to the end of it. *I* didn't put that there.. I've tried the trim() and getting rid of the last character, but it seems to be added automatically
10:52:59Zagorhttp?
10:53:09merwinyeah
10:53:38Zagorsounds odd
10:53:41Zagorwindows or unix?
10:53:51merwinunix
10:53:55merwindownloading via IE though
10:55:59merwinThis is kind of fun though... I took C code, converted it into VB, then converted it from VB into PHP. And it actually works :P
10:57:12Zagoruhhh, i bet it looks just peachy...
10:57:57merwinActually, the PHP code is the most streamlined of the 3...
10:58:03merwinVB lets you be sloppy
10:58:11merwinthe C code I didn't write, and it started out sloppy
10:59:21PsycoXul0x0A is \n isn't it?
10:59:25Zagoryup
10:59:51PsycoXulso it's just treating it as text or something
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11:00:18merwinyeah
11:00:28merwinPHP probably adds \n to their strings at the end
11:00:35merwinbut I can't get rid of it
11:01:12PsycoXulmabye there's something else you can do to keep it from treating it as text?
11:02:36merwinI can't seem to find anything in the docs
11:02:55Zagorwhich function are you using to "print" it?
11:03:16merwinprint... hmm... wonder what happens if I use echo
11:03:24merwinthat may be the problem :P
11:03:32Zagordoesn't print() simply add a newline?
11:03:37merwinI dunno
11:03:41PsycoXuldoesn't php have a printf?
11:04:24merwinecho does the same thing
11:04:29PsycoXulheh i haven't used it since php3, and that was just a little part of a web chat i just wrote for the hell of it
11:04:51merwinI love php
11:05:02PsycoXulwell i did the webchat in perl first
11:05:22PsycoXuland so then i decided to try php and it was a lot nicer than perl
11:05:22PsycoXulheh
11:05:59merwinyeah
11:06:23PsycoXuli'm not sure, but i do seem to remember it having a printf()
11:06:34merwinit does
11:07:02merwinhow would I do it correctly with printf?
11:07:07PsycoXulso that usualy doesn't add anything
11:07:19merwinI'll try that
11:07:30PsycoXuli forget whatever php's syntax might be for printf...
11:07:30PsycoXulheh
11:09:12merwin printf(%s,create_kws($MyRow["rtttl"]));
11:09:15merwinsame thing
11:09:56Zagorare you sure you're doing the http thing right?
11:10:30merwinany clue what the content type of an unknown attachment is?
11:10:41Zagorapplication/binary
11:11:52ZagorContent-type:application/binary\r\n
11:11:58ZagorContent-length: 2894894\r\n
11:12:04Zagor\r\n
11:12:06Zagor<data>
11:12:08Zagor<disconnect>
11:12:32merwincontent-length = strlen($mystring)
11:12:33merwin?
11:12:43Zagoryup
11:13:30Zagoruh, wait. that was gnutella, not http :)
11:13:35dwihno:-)
11:13:54dwihnoZagor - the man of a thousand protocols :)
11:14:02dwihnoProtocol Police ;)
11:14:04Zagorapplication/octet-stream is the correct type for http
11:15:05merwinit ignores the content-length
11:15:23Zagor"it"?
11:15:33merwinphp...
11:15:38merwinyou set the header using header()
11:15:43Zagorah
11:15:50merwinie: header("Content-type: audio/x-midi");
11:19:00merwindunno :P
11:20:08merwindamn php, or damn IE... heh
11:24:01merwinwow, lynx has really progressed from the old days
11:24:58merwinit's definitely php, tried downloading with lynx, and the same result
11:35:13*dwihno starts to think about string termination or such
11:36:55merwin?
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11:39:05dwihnoadding a \0 to terminate data or such
11:41:36merwin\0 is just 0x00, right?
11:41:44dwihnoya
11:41:51merwinwon't do anything
11:42:04merwinI add a lot of 0x00's to the string during the assembly of the ringtone
11:49:33merwinwhat's the difference between low nibble first and high nibble first?
11:53:39dwihnoThe upper and lower parts of a byte
11:53:58dwihno11110000 <−−> 00001111
11:54:14merwinahh
11:54:38dwihnoor whatever :)
11:54:40*dwihno is no master
11:54:47merwinwould pack/unpack help?
11:54:47dwihnoJust young grasshopper
11:55:09dwihnodunno
11:55:19merwinheh
11:55:21*merwin is ignorantr
11:55:24merwins/ignorantr/ignorant
11:55:45dwihnoa single binary stream should work
11:57:18merwinI'm thinking that the cell phone should ignore the last character, since the file has a header that specifies the file length :)
11:57:54dwihnoyou can't rely on that :)
11:58:06merwinapparently can't rely on PHP either:)
11:58:11dwihnofirst rule of computing: NEVER assume anything ;)
11:58:43merwinand I don't have a kyocera cell phone to test it out on... I'm relying on other people's input on what works
11:58:52*merwin is a ringtone freak. http://tone.cc (my website)
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12:00:15merwin3 years of development on one webpage :)
12:00:57Zagorwhat software are you using to transfer the tones?
12:01:47dwihnologomanager?
12:01:57Zagorok
12:02:11merwinfor kyocera its proprietary... they use a nifty encoding scheme on their ringtones that took a while to crack for me
12:02:16merwinI use logomanager for the nokia tones
12:02:38merwinand some ringtone conversion software that I wrote to go between different formats (ericsson, motorola, nokia, kyocera)
12:02:40merwinetc
12:03:12Zagori'm asking since I've been meaning to add binary (ringtone, logo) etc support to Smash for a long time
12:03:26merwincoding is the only thing that keeps me sane on these absurdly long trips
12:03:58Zagorwhat's the best laptop for coding?
12:04:32merwinZagor: I use a compaq armada
12:04:39dwihnocom<barf>paq! ;D
12:04:41merwinwell, compaq evo now
12:04:58merwindwihno: compaq's corporate models are made of good hardware.. it's their regular retail models that are crap
12:05:03dwihnomerwin: cool stuff, I was considering doing something similar a year ago...
12:06:07merwinzagor: http://nakentone.naken.cc ... software written in C that converts rtttl and bmp into binary format for nokia
12:06:17merwinZagor: http://ringtonetools.mikekohn.net/ rather
12:07:17Zagoryeah well the actual format isn't the problem. the SMSC protocol is.
12:07:56merwinZagor: once you get it into this binary format, you just send it over SMS as a text message
12:10:10Zagoryeah, but binary messages are different from text messages to the SMSC.
12:11:14merwinNokia smart messaging protocol is good, but confusing as all hell :)
12:12:44adi|homestupid slashdot
12:12:52adi|homei sent in a link to our 1.4 release...
12:12:59adi|homeas an update to the original post
12:13:02adi|homeno luck...
12:13:13adi|homebut yet, EVERY new release of Phoenix gets up..
12:15:06Zagorthe slashdot submission system is royally fucked. just look at how often articles are poster twice or more, or months after someone submitted it the first time.
12:16:16dwihnoHey, you used the F-word! :O
12:17:37adi|homefirst?
12:17:43adi|homewhats wrong with that word?
12:17:51adi|homeunless its used in 'first post!'
12:18:31merwinok, bedtime for me... it's starting to get light out :P
12:18:32merwinheh
12:18:40adi|homehehe
12:18:51adi|homei was sound asleep till the tones went off at 5 am :)
12:18:52merwinI gotta get up in 5 hours
12:19:07merwinthe tones?
12:20:06adi|homesorry..
12:20:09adi|homei ride for my ambulance corp
12:20:23merwinahh
12:20:24adi|home'tones' = WAKE UP!!! someone needs an ambulance!!!
12:20:45merwinI could never do that... I'd hit the snooze button :)
12:20:57adi|homeor: [T]oness [O]ffer [NM
12:21:01adi|homedamn keyboard
12:21:07adi|hometones offer no extra sleep
12:21:12adi|homet.o.n.e.s
12:21:13adi|homenods
12:21:23merwinheh
12:21:54merwinSo are we ever going to try to create support for the multimedia?
12:21:58adi|homeinvariably. the 3-6 am calls are ppl who have been sick/ill for 2+ days and JUST now decide they want help..
12:22:05adi|homei say fuck no
12:22:09adi|homebut thats just me
12:22:33merwin:)
12:22:44adi|homeand i quote
12:23:13adi|home<adi|home> if one more mother fucker 'begs' for archos multimedia support im going to find out where they live and leave a dead cat on their porch.
12:23:40merwinhehe
12:23:48*adi|home is well stocked up on dead cats too.. so watch it
12:23:51*adi|home heads to bed
12:23:52adi|homenithe
12:24:01merwinwe will need to support it eventually, since the new recorder w/radio is on it now I think
12:24:20Zagorwe won't support it. ever.
12:24:27ZagorArchos made sure we wouldn't
12:24:32merwinreally?
12:24:32merwinwhy?
12:24:50Zagorit doesn't firmware files from disk. you have to flash it.
12:25:08Zagordoesn't load
12:25:30merwinthat's really stupid of them
12:25:33merwinREALLY stupid
12:25:37Zagorwhich means the very first attempt you make must have a working GUI, filesytem and flash code in it
12:25:51Zagori can't disagree with you there...
12:26:25merwinpersonally, I think ALL devices should have as easily upgradable firmware as the jukebox
12:27:05Zagoryup. i'm dying to hack my phone.
12:27:09merwinvirtually impossible to fuck things up :) unlike flashing, where you can ruin a device easily
12:27:58merwinNow Sony Ericsson.... they went a step further with paranoia... they only allow authorized service centers to flash their devices. Not even us in the Engineering dept at T-Mobile are allowed to flash our own test phones
12:28:29Zagorcute
12:28:58merwinwell, bedtime for me
12:28:59merwinttyl
12:29:02Zagorbye
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12:33:19Zagortunnels are fun
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15:22:30Zagorooh, brazil!
15:23:16Decayer:)
15:23:39Zagorwhat's the temperature like down there?
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15:24:24Decayerno, here is hot!
15:24:46Decayerwhere .se is ?
15:25:08ZagorSweden. 1.4 C this morning...
15:25:42DecayerSweden...course...
15:25:57DecayerSao Paulo - Brasil - 30 C now
15:28:04Zagori didn't see that... ;)
15:29:02Decayersorry, 21ºC
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15:31:06DecayerWhat you have made with this cold?
15:31:48Zagorwe code a lot :-)
15:33:30DecayerI would like to live in Sweden...sounds cool
15:34:01Zagorhehe, yeah it's cool (cold) alright.
15:34:09Zagorlearn to love snow
15:34:21Decayerhehe I like cold...
15:35:01Zagorthat's what everybody thinks, until they live through a Real Winter :)
15:35:55DecayerThe winter also is strong here
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15:38:31Zagorare there many archos owners in brazil?
15:39:06Decayerarchos ?
15:39:36Zagorhehe, yeah you know the little thing that Rockbox runs on
15:40:15Decayernone :)
15:40:36DecayerI entered for curiosity. :)
15:40:42Zagorhaha
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16:14:30kargatroni've been noticing that 'pause' sometimes takes a second or so, which i never really noticed before.
16:14:38kargatronis that a new thing, or did i just never notice previously?
16:15:24Zagorit's old. it happens sometimes during bitswap.
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17:15:07NorrinGood day, anyone got time to maybe help me with a problem I have with my Archos Studio 20 Player?
17:15:29Zagori'm afraid I have to leave very soon. what is your problem?
17:15:30DecayerI'm back
17:15:52NorrinAfter turning the player off, it has a life of it's own.
17:16:15NorrinGreen light slowly comes back on and the LCD screen gets some power. It reads Power off.
17:16:36NorrinTried everything. Replaced batteries, Rockbox firmware, Archos firmware, etc.
17:16:46NorrinNo change, continues to do the same thing.
17:17:02Zagorstrange. sounds like dodgy hardware.
17:17:42NorrinDoes Rockbox keep older firmware available for download? I would be curious to try version 1.2.
17:18:25NorrinDoes the firmware make any memory changes to the onboard chips? Loads into ROM?
17:18:34Zagorthe files are there, but they are not linked. trust me, it will not make a differnce to your problem
17:20:19NorrinIf I were to open the player up, can you tell me where I should look? Does your website show detail of what could be causing it?
17:20:54Zagorno. this is not a documented problem.
17:21:15NorrinBummer, hate to be the first sometimes.
17:21:51NorrinJust tried it again, powers down fine then the LCD slowly powers back up.
17:22:02NorrinPlayer works fine, just drains the batteries.
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17:22:33Zagorvery odd. you should talk to archos, and maybe ask on the yahoo forum
17:23:20NorrinTalked to Archos, they said it was the batteries. Tried three sets, still the same problem.
17:23:31NorrinAsked on Yahoo, still waiting on replies.
17:23:40NorrinThanks for your time, sorry to bother ya.
17:23:50NorrinExcellent job on the Rockbox Firmware by the way.
17:23:58Zagortalk to archos again. bad batteries make a device go OFF too soon, not ON...
17:24:04Zagorthanks
17:24:20Zagorgotta run
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22:37:16langhaarrockerIs here anybody who knows whether it is possible to profile rockbox with the serial adapter?
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23:49:54merwinyay!
23:51:51LinusNyo
23:52:18merwinheya linus!
23:52:26merwinhow's the new addition? Getting any sleep yet? (probably not)
23:53:57LinusNshe sleeps quite a lot, so that's really not a problem
23:54:38LinusNmy wife, however, will have to spend the next 5-6 months in a wheelchair
23:54:45merwinack! why?
23:55:32LinusNi don't know the english name for it, but it has to do with the joints
23:55:52LinusNenormous pain, unable to sit or stand
23:56:55merwinah. Well that's no good. At least the baby isn't awake all the time though... that combined with your wife's problem would really be horrible.
23:57:15merwinMy brother and his wife had a kid recently and they didn't get more than 2 hours of sleep per night for almost a month
23:57:25LinusNi read somewhere that babies tend to sleep a lot if the mother is sick
23:58:12merwinthat's kind of them

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