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| 06:29:21 | henrysunset | 'ello |
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| 06:47:48 | CoA-JelloEater | oh man i am gonna kill myself |
| 06:47:56 | henrysunset | please don't |
| 06:47:58 | CoA-JelloEater | my archos keeps saying " HD ERROR " |
| 06:48:07 | CoA-JelloEater | i swear i am gonna throw this thing at the wall.... |
| 06:48:15 | henrysunset | uhhoh |
| 06:48:24 | henrysunset | remember the Hd is a replaceable component |
| 06:48:29 | henrysunset | dont break it all for one part |
| 06:48:39 | CoA-JelloEater | it's been sitting on my desk |
| 06:48:41 | CoA-JelloEater | can't be broken |
| 06:48:54 | CoA-JelloEater | worked then i turned it on this morning and it didn't work! just some fucking error |
| 06:49:21 | henrysunset | hd might be loose? |
| 06:49:44 | CoA-JelloEater | how do i unscrew the beast doesn't look like a screwdriver |
| 06:49:46 | CoA-JelloEater | :-/ |
| 06:50:04 | CoA-JelloEater | but i can access it through usb |
| 06:50:09 | CoA-JelloEater | and put files on |
| 06:50:12 | CoA-JelloEater | and take them off |
| 06:50:24 | CoA-JelloEater | i tried re-formatting and putting on new firmware |
| 06:50:35 | CoA-JelloEater | then i tried the opensource firmware from this site |
| 06:50:37 | CoA-JelloEater | still nothing |
| 06:50:38 | CoA-JelloEater | :-/ |
| 06:50:42 | CoA-JelloEater | i might be doing it wrong |
| 06:50:53 | henrysunset | it is infact a special screwdriver |
| 06:50:56 | henrysunset | called torx |
| 06:51:10 | henrysunset | if its still warrantied |
| 06:51:12 | henrysunset | send back |
| 06:51:17 | CoA-JelloEater | nope not anymorew |
| 06:51:22 | CoA-JelloEater | i bought it in july |
| 06:51:27 | henrysunset | this year? |
| 06:51:29 | CoA-JelloEater | i have to return "within 30 days" |
| 06:51:31 | CoA-JelloEater | yes |
| 06:51:42 | henrysunset | it diddnt have a year warranty from archos? |
| 06:51:48 | CoA-JelloEater | nope |
| 06:51:56 | CoA-JelloEater | i called them up too |
| 06:51:57 | henrysunset | why not? |
| 06:52:02 | CoA-JelloEater | hell if i know |
| 06:52:04 | CoA-JelloEater | :-/ |
| 06:52:07 | henrysunset | i see |
| 06:52:17 | CoA-JelloEater | i'm gonna cry |
| 06:53:07 | CoA-JelloEater | ok it'll goto the first screen it says "Jukebox ver: 5.08" then shoots to the HD ERROR |
| 06:53:26 | henrysunset | ask more ppl in here before u go to crazy |
| 06:53:34 | henrysunset | but its prolly loose or a dead HDD |
| 06:54:46 | CoA-JelloEater | do you know if i put in the right dir F:/rockbox |
| 06:54:59 | CoA-JelloEater | i have the archos.mod and the english file in there |
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| 07:10:48 | CoA-JelloEater | FINE FINE |
| 07:10:50 | CoA-JelloEater | that's fine! |
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| 08:32:47 | merwin | hey zagor |
| 08:34:04 | Zagor | hi |
| 08:34:14 | Zagor | Schnueff: are you here? |
| 08:35:36 | merwin | found a great ericsson money scheme :) Licensed downloadable games... the only way to get new games on the T300 is to pay your service provider to get them, at about 2-5 euros per game. Even if you make your own game, it won't work unless it is "Certified" by Mophun (the engine developer) |
| 08:36:11 | Zagor | why am I not surprised... |
| 08:36:29 | Zagor | result: a gramd total of 6 games will be written. |
| 08:37:35 | Zagor | who wants to download their silly games when you can play Doom on your nokia right now :-) |
| 08:38:55 | dwihno | What OS? |
| 08:51:10 | Zagor | it uses symbian, afaik |
| 08:51:28 | Zagor | the screenshots look cool: http://www.wildpalm.co.uk/Doom7650.html |
| 08:54:05 | dwihno | herre jösses vad tufft :) |
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| 08:59:26 | Zagor | yo bro |
| 08:59:29 | Bagder | morning |
| 08:59:40 | dwihno | Hello hello Bagder! |
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| 09:02:34 | Bagder | so, no luck on the FM recorder |
| 09:02:45 | Zagor | nope |
| 09:03:07 | Bagder | it needs to be posted and put in the FAQ once we have it solidly confirmed |
| 09:04:34 | dwihno | Bagder: which what doing what? |
| 09:04:50 | Bagder | dwihno: Rockbox does not work on the new Archos FM recorder |
| 09:05:10 | Bagder | pretty much as we suspected |
| 09:05:13 | dwihno | Bagder: who tested it? |
| 09:05:25 | dwihno | Bagder: same scrambling etc.? |
| 09:05:36 | Bagder | http://groups.yahoo.com/group/archosjukebox6000/message/13901 |
| 09:08:06 | Zagor | dwihno: i'm pretty sure the FM recorder is a multimedia with a cheaper display |
| 09:08:25 | dwihno | Zagor: ah, that is possible indeed. |
| 09:08:35 | Bagder | it looks like one |
| 09:09:37 | Zagor | he came in here a day or two ago, talking about this. |
| 09:09:58 | Zagor | one interesting thing is he couldn't find an "upgrade firmare" option in the menu |
| 09:10:10 | Zagor | multimedia has that |
| 09:10:25 | Bagder | odd |
| 09:10:47 | dwihno | Zagor: it has? so the "store the firmware on the disk" idea has been deprecated on the mmedia? |
| 09:10:56 | Bagder | yes |
| 09:11:06 | Zagor | indeed |
| 09:14:57 | dwihno | So how do you update it? |
| 09:15:08 | dwihno | Like in the old days with "special" software? |
| 09:16:50 | Zagor | there's a menu entry "update firmware". i expect you need to have the file names something specific, so the updater can find it. |
| 09:18:27 | dwihno | ah |
| 09:18:36 | dwihno | to quote the message board: |
| 09:18:36 | dwihno | "The OS on the Archos Jukebox FM Recorder has most of the features |
| 09:18:36 | dwihno | Rockbox OS has. Makes you wonder if they used the Rockbox firmware |
| 09:18:36 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK dwihno |
| 09:18:36 | dwihno | to model their own. |
| 09:18:37 | dwihno | " |
| 09:19:09 | dwihno | Isn't it illegal to steal code from an open source project due to the GPL license? |
| 09:19:20 | Bagder | yes it would be |
| 09:19:46 | Hadaka | well, incorporating code in a commercial product would be |
| 09:19:49 | Hes | unless you release the source... it's not illegal to reuse ideas though (without reusing the actual code) |
| 09:20:36 | dwihno | yea |
| 09:20:41 | Hes | you can always incorporate GPLed code in a commercial product, but you need to release the source code as well, and you can not forbid anyone from reusing/redistributing yours. |
| 09:20:57 | dwihno | Hes: that's what I thought the GPL was all about... :) |
| 09:21:07 | Hes | right. |
| 09:21:19 | Hes | Good morning, anyway 8-) |
| 09:21:22 | Bagder | and we don't see any sources released from Archos ;-) |
| 09:21:39 | dwihno | I'd love to see the UI from the FM-recorder |
| 09:21:43 | Hes | I doubt they used any rockbox code. Using ideas is completely fine. |
| 09:22:05 | Bagder | I agree, I find it highly unlikely that they would use rockbox source code |
| 09:22:33 | dwihno | well, the rockbox code IS certified by the C.P :) |
| 09:22:40 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 09:24:54 | dwihno | I recall some flash kinda thing being available on the archos' site to test the unit out |
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| 09:54:05 | Bagder | hey Linus |
| 09:54:23 | LinusN | yo |
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| 10:15:45 | kargatron | Zagor or Bagder, on 'rules for feature requests', can a reminder to pick a relevant categoy be included? Might slightly reduce the 'None' cat entries |
| 10:16:00 | Zagor | good point, I'll add that |
| 10:16:55 | kargatron | nice to have sourceforge remember logins now |
| 10:17:03 | kargatron | always hated having to relogin every time... |
| 10:17:12 | Zagor | yeah |
| 10:17:26 | Bagder | I agree with that |
| 10:19:49 | kargatron | just refreshed my jb contents last night - altho it was plugged into power, the 40 minutes of spinning disc/usb hookup ate up half the mostly charged batteries. |
| 10:19:52 | kargatron | didn't expect that |
| 10:20:03 | kargatron | thought it would grab most of what it needed from power |
| 10:21:34 | LinusN | i've heard that some people had problems like that |
| 10:22:09 | LinusN | that the archos shut down during USB transfer even when the charger was attached |
| 10:22:19 | LinusN | never happened to me though |
| 10:22:24 | kargatron | only the 2nd time i've done it - can't remmeber the first, but i probably wasn't paying attention |
| 10:22:32 | kargatron | i guess it was a risk, if my batteries had been lower |
| 10:22:39 | kargatron | and if i was using 1.1 |
| 10:22:59 | kargatron | actually, the first time i used 1.1, so dunno if something's "changed" internally |
| 10:26:14 | Schnueff | Zagor: i am now |
| 10:26:27 | Zagor | Schnueff: who makes the new 80gig disks? |
| 10:27:24 | Schnueff | ibm (german news: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/lab-06.11.02-000/) |
| 10:28:55 | Bagder | but there's no 80GB on IBM's site |
| 10:29:11 | Zagor | I guess it's only "announced" |
| 10:29:15 | Bagder | yeah |
| 10:29:20 | Schnueff | hm maybe |
| 10:29:28 | Bagder | http://www.storage.ibm.com/hdd/support/table.htm#Travelstar |
| 10:29:42 | Zagor | they say they'll make 7200rpm 9.5mm disks! |
| 10:29:56 | Zagor | 2.5" i mean |
| 10:30:16 | Schnueff | first sentence says 'ibm has presented 2.5" 80G discs' |
| 10:30:21 | Zagor | that'll suck your archos dry in under an hour :-) |
| 10:30:24 | Schnueff | havent yet looked at the page though |
| 10:30:35 | Zagor | http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heise.de%2Fnewsticker%2Fdata%2Flab-06.11.02-000%2F&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&prev=%2Flanguage_tools |
| 10:30:36 | Zagor | :-) |
| 10:30:41 | Schnueff | hehe |
| 10:31:00 | Bagder | " IBM today introduced the world's highest capacity mobile hard disk drive at 80 GB" |
| 10:31:06 | Bagder | http://www.storage.ibm.com/hdd/press/20021106.htm |
| 10:31:08 | Schnueff | but actually you know some bits of german, dont you? |
| 10:31:11 | Schnueff | :) |
| 10:31:28 | Zagor | Schnueff: a little. i never studied german though. only french and spanish. |
| 10:31:41 | Bagder | "IBM has begun to ship sample Travelstar 80GN drives to customers, with volume shipment scheduled for January 2003." |
| 10:32:05 | Schnueff | k, some months then |
| 10:32:48 | Schnueff | "pixie dust" technology , nice name |
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| 10:45:45 | Zagor | kargatron: I don't think 2auto boot+resume on external power" is an application. i would rather file it under operating system. |
| 10:49:40 | kargatron | np |
| 10:49:59 | kargatron | i was mentally conflating 'applications' and 'functionality' |
| 10:50:31 | Zagor | ok. i consider "applications" more in the vein of potential .rock plugins |
| 10:51:51 | kargatron | ok. and i thought that OS/drivers was limited to server issues, rather than jb issues. will make mental note |
| 10:52:43 | kargatron | pesonally, a 'misc. functionality' cat stil makes sense to me, for these reasons, but i can deal. though with the occasional burp like the above. :) |
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| 11:00:33 | kargatron | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=611062 |
| 11:00:55 | kargatron | as with the submitter, i'm not sure whether that's a request or bug. opinions?/ |
| 11:01:31 | kargatron | resume behavior after USB |
| 11:03:49 | Zagor | that's a feature |
| 11:04:05 | Zagor | bugs are when things don't work as we intend them to |
| 11:04:50 | kargatron | the current intention was what was unclear (to me) :) |
| 11:05:07 | Zagor | ok |
| 11:05:20 | kargatron | there is oddness, iirc, in the wps display after you unhook USB in pause mode |
| 11:05:35 | Zagor | after USB, we intend reread the root dir and go into dir browser there |
| 11:06:35 | kargatron | right. It is a bit confusing, because at first glance it looks like your place is lost, though it's not |
| 11:08:12 | Zagor | place? |
| 11:08:36 | kargatron | say i want to update ajbrec.ajz |
| 11:09:03 | kargatron | i turn it on, resume starts, i pause, hook USB, unhook, and now looks like my play info is gone |
| 11:09:14 | kargatron | doesn't return to the screen i left it at |
| 11:09:26 | Zagor | that's right. after USB it goes to root dir |
| 11:09:27 | kargatron | is silently enters dir browser |
| 11:09:32 | kargatron | it |
| 11:09:38 | Zagor | yes |
| 11:09:47 | kargatron | hence the 'confusing' |
| 11:11:16 | kargatron | i know better now, but the first time i did that, i panicked, since i hate to lose my resume place :) |
| 11:11:52 | Schnueff | don't panic |
| 11:11:55 | Schnueff | :) |
| 11:13:12 | Zagor | I forgot USB in the manual. |
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| 11:39:24 | LinusN | do you think it will be interesting to commit a recording-to-RAM-and-playback for people to test? |
| 11:41:06 | LinusN | it's takes quite an effort to do the RAM playback, but maybe it's worth it? |
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| 11:44:47 | henrysunset | 'ello |
| 11:44:54 | henrysunset | me=mad |
| 11:45:05 | LinusN | hi |
| 11:45:14 | henrysunset | western digital is selling 40gb harddrives inside a box labelled 120gb |
| 11:45:29 | LinusN | how nice! :-) |
| 11:45:37 | henrysunset | so i have to prove that I am not tryign to cheat the store tomoroow |
| 11:45:39 | henrysunset | ugh |
| 11:45:41 | henrysunset | bastards |
| 11:45:45 | henrysunset | so hows it going |
| 11:46:20 | LinusN | so so |
| 11:46:28 | henrysunset | oh? |
| 11:46:44 | henrysunset | working on the rockbox hackery or just lurking |
| 11:46:52 | LinusN | still at the hospital, hacking recording drivers |
| 11:47:06 | henrysunset | you doing better i hope? |
| 11:47:26 | LinusN | i'm fine, it's my wife |
| 11:47:35 | LinusN | and she's unfortunately not better |
| 11:47:48 | LinusN | but we're going home next week |
| 11:47:48 | henrysunset | oh ok; i thought that was the case but i wasnt sure |
| 11:48:07 | henrysunset | well i hope she indeed improves |
| 11:48:32 | LinusN | that will probably take some months |
| 11:48:47 | LinusN | but i am making progress on the recording features |
| 11:48:53 | henrysunset | but there is hope with time |
| 11:48:56 | henrysunset | :-) |
| 11:48:59 | henrysunset | oh goody |
| 11:49:15 | henrysunset | leveraging the progress on disk writing i guess? |
| 11:49:30 | LinusN | haven't tried disk writing yet |
| 11:49:38 | henrysunset | ah |
| 11:49:52 | henrysunset | it supposedly pretty stable from what I understood |
| 11:50:12 | LinusN | nobody has tried to write to an actual disk yet |
| 11:50:18 | henrysunset | so to record u feed the line in into the mp3 enc/dec chip and it spits out a mp3 stream? |
| 11:50:18 | LinusN | only simulation |
| 11:50:26 | LinusN | yup |
| 11:50:34 | henrysunset | what bitrate comes out? |
| 11:50:42 | LinusN | VBR |
| 11:50:46 | LinusN | 32-192kbit/s |
| 11:50:47 | henrysunset | i clearly never tried it :-) |
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| 11:50:56 | henrysunset | so good enough to bootleg a concert? |
| 11:51:08 | LinusN | yes, if you have a good mic |
| 11:51:13 | henrysunset | wow |
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| 11:51:22 | LinusN | the internal mic picks up the harddrive noise |
| 11:51:27 | henrysunset | that makes life easier for people |
| 11:51:34 | henrysunset | i have a stereo external mic |
| 11:51:42 | henrysunset | i wish i cad it backi the olden days |
| 11:51:51 | henrysunset | throw it in a friends purse |
| 11:51:54 | henrysunset | call ti a walkman |
| 11:52:01 | henrysunset | merely hide the mic |
| 11:52:24 | LinusN | hehe |
| 11:52:27 | henrysunset | well good lucke |
| 11:52:34 | henrysunset | i have some sleep to enjoy |
| 11:52:37 | henrysunset | then work |
| 11:52:44 | LinusN | sleep tight |
| 11:52:52 | henrysunset | and yelling at circuit city or the hd company |
| 11:52:58 | henrysunset | indeed |
| 11:53:06 | LinusN | good luck with that |
| 11:53:15 | henrysunset | oh; do u have both a recorder and a player? |
| 11:53:23 | LinusN | yes |
| 11:53:28 | henrysunset | hrm |
| 11:54:05 | henrysunset | what were yer thoughts on the player button redesign i accidentally stumbled upon trying to improve the recorder? |
| 11:54:35 | LinusN | haven't had the time to study it, too much going on right now |
| 11:54:42 | henrysunset | fair enough |
| 11:54:48 | LinusN | i have to go now |
| 11:54:52 | LinusN | cu l8r |
| 11:54:52 | henrysunset | ok |
| 11:54:53 | henrysunset | ttyl |
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| 12:10:40 | kargatron | how is/will be encoding handled on record (in archos firmware and in future rockbox)? |
| 12:11:00 | kargatron | Is it some hard-coded encoder, or can LAME be used? |
| 12:11:18 | dwihno | heh |
| 12:11:18 | kargatron | never messed with recording myself, just curious |
| 12:11:30 | dwihno | It's the on-board chip which does the encoding |
| 12:11:41 | dwihno | although lame would be pretty neat ;) |
| 12:11:45 | kargatron | guess that makes sense - no room for LAME, is there, probably. :) |
| 12:17:18 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 12:17:18 | * | Schnueff smells FAQs :) |
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| 12:26:37 | kargatron | well, the floor's pretty low in chatrooms. :) |
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| 12:48:36 | Bagder | bbl |
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| 13:06:54 | kargatron | i've never looked at jbsynch before, because my collection is much bigger than my jb, but i presume it's as useful for synching a backup HD (that is big enough)? |
| 13:07:31 | Zagor | i should think so |
| 13:24:46 | kargatron | curious, what's the status of that queue patch (there was one, wasn't there)? |
| 13:25:13 | kargatron | wouldn't really use it myself, but it is a popular desire |
| 13:25:45 | Zagor | it works, but it's a hack. we want a better design for queues. |
| 13:25:56 | kargatron | ah |
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| 13:53:24 | kargatron | Zagor, you're quick on rejecting those requests! |
| 13:53:30 | kargatron | or my mail delivery is slow... |
| 13:53:52 | Zagor | hehe |
| 13:55:17 | kargatron | are the 'canned response's customizable? |
| 13:55:22 | Zagor | yes |
| 13:55:34 | Zagor | i'll add this... |
| 13:55:34 | kargatron | might accept faq urls unless they're too long. :) |
| 13:57:12 | Zagor | added |
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| 15:22:10 | LinusN | hi Bagder |
| 15:22:44 | Bagder | hey ho |
| 15:23:08 | Bagder | LinusN: no bandy? ;-) |
| 15:23:13 | Bagder | ah |
| 15:23:20 | LinusN | hey Zagor! Do you think i dare to try writing to my disk? |
| 15:23:33 | LinusN | Bagder: check the web page |
| 15:23:45 | Bagder | I noticed, about 2ms after my message |
| 15:23:51 | Zagor | LinusN: i'd appreciate if you try it. i might have a SWAB32 too little (or too many) |
| 15:24:05 | LinusN | ok |
| 15:24:14 | LinusN | any caveats? |
| 15:24:33 | Zagor | LinusN: only short names work. no mkdir/rmdir yet. |
| 15:24:41 | Zagor | that's all, i think |
| 15:24:44 | LinusN | ok |
| 15:25:08 | LinusN | open(FD_WRITE) or? |
| 15:25:17 | Zagor | O_WRONLY |
| 15:25:29 | LinusN | ok |
| 15:25:30 | Zagor | or creat() |
| 15:25:49 | LinusN | creat() as in "touch"? |
| 15:26:03 | Zagor | creat() and open(x,O_WRONLY) is exactly the same thing |
| 15:26:13 | LinusN | ok |
| 15:26:32 | LinusN | i think i |
| 15:26:36 | Zagor | back up your disk ;) |
| 15:26:41 | LinusN | 'll try on my Player first |
| 15:26:46 | Bagder | nah, don't be a chicken ;-) |
| 15:26:53 | LinusN | with the empty hard disk |
| 15:27:21 | LinusN | i don't want to lose my music while i am at the hospital, my backup is at home |
| 15:32:41 | Bagder | ok then, you're excused |
| 15:32:45 | Bagder | :-) |
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| 15:41:55 | LinusN | shaky GPRS connection today |
| 15:43:55 | LinusN | Zagor: can you think of a "safe" way of testing, like in a separate dir? |
| 15:49:38 | Zagor | no. the safest would be creating a new partition, but that's a bit tricky without losing the files |
| 15:49:43 | Zagor | especially over usb... |
| 15:55:18 | * | Bagder reads that hungarian notation page |
| 15:55:26 | * | Bagder is scared |
| 15:55:26 | Zagor | i love it |
| 15:56:08 | Zagor | it proves my point exactly, but it's meant to encourage use of it! |
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| 16:00:48 | Zagor | Hungry Notation: long juicySteak; short sweetPecanPie; |
| 16:01:06 | LinusN | haha |
| 16:03:47 | LinusN | open() returned -5 |
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| 16:04:09 | n3tw0rk3r | hi all |
| 16:04:14 | Zagor | that means fat_create_file() failed. |
| 16:04:17 | Zagor | bring out gdb |
| 16:04:22 | Bagder | hey n3tw0rk3r |
| 16:04:23 | Zagor | hi n3tw0rk3r |
| 16:04:37 | n3tw0rk3r | can i ask a stupid question ? |
| 16:04:40 | n3tw0rk3r | ;) |
| 16:04:48 | Zagor | sure |
| 16:04:52 | Bagder | yes, but we may laugh ;-) |
| 16:04:53 | LinusN | no :-) |
| 16:04:59 | kargatron | wait, let me quote HEATHERS: |
| 16:05:05 | kargatron | there are no stupid questions. |
| 16:05:09 | * | LinusN holds his breath |
| 16:05:17 | * | Bagder buckles up |
| 16:05:19 | n3tw0rk3r | how can i compile a language file (.lang) ? |
| 16:05:26 | Zagor | kargatron: quote headers? stdio.h or what? ;) |
| 16:05:29 | kargatron | wow, that's the stupidest question i've ever heard |
| 16:05:37 | kargatron | </quote> |
| 16:05:48 | n3tw0rk3r | sorry :-$ |
| 16:05:51 | Bagder | n3tw0rk3r: 'binlang' is the tool, a perl script |
| 16:06:05 | Zagor | n3tw0rk3r: ignore kargatron, he's just the janitor ;) |
| 16:06:09 | n3tw0rk3r | LOL |
| 16:06:25 | n3tw0rk3r | is this script included with the sources ? |
| 16:06:34 | Bagder | n3tw0rk3r: yes, in the tools dir |
| 16:07:13 | kargatron | (i hope none of those comments mean people haven't seen HEATHERS. one of the best black comedies of all time) |
| 16:07:27 | Bagder | I've seen it |
| 16:07:28 | n3tw0rk3r | I've downloaded them and there is a tool called "genlang" |
| 16:07:42 | n3tw0rk3r | is this the same ? |
| 16:07:46 | Bagder | uh |
| 16:07:51 | Bagder | binlang is missing |
| 16:07:55 | n3tw0rk3r | yep |
| 16:07:56 | Bagder | oops |
| 16:08:00 | n3tw0rk3r | ;) |
| 16:08:19 | LinusN | Zagor: the file was created (had to use uppercase file name) but it was empty |
| 16:08:56 | Bagder | n3tw0rk3r: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/rockbox/tools/binlang |
| 16:08:59 | Zagor | LinusN: weird. you shouldn't need uppercase either. |
| 16:09:07 | n3tw0rk3r | thank you very much! |
| 16:09:17 | Zagor | LinusN: ah, right you have no serial port. booo... :-( |
| 16:10:00 | Zagor | "Hungarian Notation is the tactical nuclear weapon of source code obfuscation techniques. Due to the sheer volume of source code contaminated by this idiom nothing can kill a maintenance engineer than a well planned Hungarian Notation Attack." |
| 16:10:28 | Bagder | wise words |
| 16:10:53 | n3tw0rk3r | ah, i've got the jukebox 6000 and what the heck is that line in connector for ? |
| 16:11:55 | Bagder | iirc, nothing |
| 16:11:55 | n3tw0rk3r | *don't-hit-me-don't-hit-me* |
| 16:12:15 | Zagor | actually, you can use it to mix another sound source with the mp3 audio |
| 16:12:25 | n3tw0rk3r | ok |
| 16:12:30 | Bagder | karaoeke! |
| 16:12:38 | Zagor | lol |
| 16:12:38 | n3tw0rk3r | *rofl* |
| 16:13:12 | LinusN | well, i gotta go now |
| 16:13:19 | LinusN | Zagor: don't forget my stick |
| 16:13:22 | Bagder | see ya in a while |
| 16:13:37 | n3tw0rk3r | thank you very much for helping me. Keep on codin' guys! |
| 16:13:40 | n3tw0rk3r | cu |
| 16:13:47 | Bagder | bye n3tw0rk3r |
| 16:13:54 | n3tw0rk3r | bye |
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| 16:23:34 | Zagor | xscale vs strongarm article: http://www6.tomshardware.com/mobile/02q4/021107/index.html |
| 16:23:44 | Bagder | neato |
| 16:23:50 | Zagor | interesting graph on second page |
| 16:24:11 | Zagor | xscale @400MHz runs on 1.0V !?! |
| 16:31:49 | Bagder | the article is a bit too much comparison of the PDAs based on those CPUs rather than the CPUs alone |
| 16:31:57 | Zagor | yeah |
| 16:32:32 | Zagor | but i thought that power graph was enlightening. now I know what the difference btwn the two is :) |
| 16:32:40 | Bagder | hehe, yes |
| 16:50:25 | * | Bagder is off |
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| 18:19:31 | vinchu | hello everyone |
| 18:20:06 | vinchu | i just known about your firmaware and it seems usefull |
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| 18:45:36 | Indio | hi |
| 18:46:34 | kargatron | do people who say hi think it's rude if people don't respond? :) Never known that about chatroom etiquette |
| 18:50:31 | Indio | i'm from spain, hello is the correct |
| 18:50:34 | Indio | ?? |
| 18:52:23 | kargatron | :) |
| 18:52:47 | kargatron | no, it's about whether someone entering a chatroom feels bad if they don't get a response after a greeting |
| 18:53:01 | kargatron | i.e. are we obligated to respond? |
| 18:53:36 | Indio | no |
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| 18:58:00 | kargatron | flash poll: single most awaited rockbox feature |
| 18:58:18 | kargatron | me: playlist bookmarks |
| 18:58:54 | Thrill | tach |
| 18:59:08 | kargatron | tach? a tachometer? :) |
| 18:59:19 | Thrill | nein... |
| 18:59:21 | Thrill | nich ganz |
| 18:59:38 | Thrill | eher tageszeit... |
| 18:59:40 | Thrill | so wie |
| 18:59:45 | Thrill | n'abend |
| 18:59:48 | Thrill | oda so |
| 18:59:50 | kargatron | nich spriech deutsch. (sp?) |
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| 19:00:12 | Thrill | sp? |
| 19:00:35 | kargatron | (spelling? - i.e. unsure spelled right) |
| 19:00:50 | Thrill | ok...english? |
| 19:00:58 | kargatron | :) surprise |
| 19:01:06 | Thrill | yeah |
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| 19:03:19 | kargatron | i declare the flash poll a failure. :) |
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| 19:54:29 | Hadaka | taking apart my archos right now |
| 19:54:53 | Hadaka | (for the first time) |
| 19:57:36 | Zagor | ooh, a virgin! ;) |
| 19:57:56 | Hadaka | argh! apparently my torx is too big! |
| 19:57:57 | Hadaka | ;) |
| 19:58:22 | Zagor | oooh, hadaka! your torx is so... big! |
| 19:58:40 | Hadaka | exactly :) |
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| 19:59:15 | Hadaka | is it... torx 10 what's needed? or torx 15? |
| 19:59:40 | Zagor | i don't know what it's called |
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| 20:00:32 | Hadaka | okay |
| 20:00:41 | Hadaka | either one anyway, I think torx 10 |
| 20:04:10 | Hadaka | hmh, apparently I have no way of getting this thing open today then |
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| 20:04:12 | Hadaka | sucks |
| 20:04:25 | Hadaka | have to go fetch a better torx tomorrow morning |
| 20:12:08 | Zagor | LinusN: making a 312 bytes file works fine in the simulator |
| 20:13:01 | Zagor | so it seems like a target problem. probably an endian bug. |
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| 20:16:30 | LinusN | ok |
| 20:17:41 | LinusN | what exactly is -5 from open()? |
| 20:23:15 | Zagor | if means fat_create_file() failed |
| 20:24:54 | LinusN | i removed the file and tried again: open() returned -5 |
| 20:25:04 | LinusN | no file was created |
| 20:25:12 | LinusN | i tried again, no error |
| 20:25:32 | LinusN | and an empty file was created |
| 20:26:12 | Zagor | a lot is actually working if the dir entry is created |
| 20:27:02 | LinusN | i guess so, but why does it only work the second time? |
| 20:28:18 | Zagor | good question |
| 20:32:38 | LinusN | my code: |
| 20:32:44 | LinusN | { |
| 20:32:46 | LinusN | int fh; |
| 20:32:46 | LinusN | int rc; |
| 20:32:46 | LinusN | char data[] = "Linus rular fett\n"; |
| 20:32:46 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK LinusN |
| 20:32:46 | LinusN | fh = open("/NEWFILE.TXT", O_WRONLY); |
| 20:32:46 | LinusN | if(fh < 0) |
| 20:32:48 | LinusN | panicf("Open: %d", fh); |
| 20:32:50 | LinusN | rc = write(fh, data, sizeof(data)); |
| 20:32:52 | LinusN | if(rc < 0) |
| 20:32:54 | LinusN | panicf("Write: %d", rc); |
| 20:32:56 | LinusN | close(fh); |
| 20:32:59 | LinusN | } |
| 20:33:10 | Zagor | looks good |
| 20:41:47 | Zagor | i'll test it with gdb a bit later |
| 20:42:47 | Ctcp | Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 3 hours and 26 minutes at the last flood |
| 20:42:47 | * | Zagor goes hunting for food |
| 20:44:43 | LinusN | add_dir_entry() returns -3 |
| 20:46:15 | Zagor | that means ata_write_sectors() return an error |
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| 20:53:16 | LinusN | Zagor|out: ata_write_sectors() returns the number of sectors written |
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| 20:55:16 | LinusN | but not your simulated ata_write_sectors() in ata-sim.c |
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| 21:11:12 | LinusN | i changed ata_write_sectors() so it returns 0 on success, and the file was successfully created! |
| 21:13:07 | LinusN | way to go Zagor|out! |
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| 21:20:41 | LinusN | this is damn cool! we just created our first file on target! |
| 21:20:55 | Schnueff | grats! |
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| 22:37:10 | neur0 | Hey anybody here? |
| 22:37:21 | LinusN | i'm here |
| 22:37:30 | neur0 | I have a prob with rockbox |
| 22:37:42 | LinusN | i don't believe you :-) |
| 22:37:51 | neur0 | :) |
| 22:38:00 | neur0 | welll it's very nice |
| 22:38:31 | neur0 | but since i put ver 1.4 on my jukebox 6000 i can't connect it to my computer |
| 22:38:47 | neur0 | the computer gets an io error |
| 22:39:02 | neur0 | but the jukebox works fine |
| 22:39:10 | LinusN | does the unit play music? |
| 22:39:22 | neur0 | yeah works fine |
| 22:39:47 | LinusN | then i can't see how rockbox can be at fault |
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| 22:40:16 | neur0 | i don't know if it is i just wanted to check if any1 has had the same prob. |
| 22:40:26 | LinusN | when you connect, do you insert the USB plug before or after you turn on the unit? |
| 22:40:32 | neur0 | before |
| 22:41:11 | LinusN | then rockbox isn't even running when you connect |
| 22:41:29 | neur0 | ok so it has to be a prob with the harddisk!? |
| 22:41:32 | LinusN | what OS is on your computer? |
| 22:41:36 | neur0 | 2k |
| 22:42:00 | LinusN | windows, that is |
| 22:42:04 | neur0 | yeah |
| 22:42:19 | LinusN | and the i/o error, when does it come? |
| 22:42:23 | neur0 | btw, thanks for asking these couple of questions |
| 22:43:17 | neur0 | when i power on the jukebox, the explorer (windows) freezes and after 2-3 minutes an error window opens with the io error |
| 22:44:10 | LinusN | that sounds like you didn't do "safely remove" when you last transferred files to your jukebox |
| 22:44:41 | neur0 | i think i did....but what to do if i didnt? can u tell me? |
| 22:45:12 | LinusN | it sounds like windows has problems reading the FAT |
| 22:45:17 | neur0 | ok |
| 22:45:32 | LinusN | maybe you could try to connect it to a Linux box |
| 22:45:49 | neur0 | i only have a unix box (freebsd) |
| 22:46:10 | neur0 | without usb:( |
| 22:46:35 | neur0 | but i could try it at a friends |
| 22:46:38 | LinusN | :-( |
| 22:47:30 | neur0 | btw rockbox is plain good compared to the archos firmware |
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| 22:49:06 | neur0 | so if i have the USB ACTIVE screen on the jukebox it's just hardware, no firmware |
| 22:49:18 | LinusN | sorry, bad GPRS connection |
| 22:49:34 | LinusN | it's the Archos firmware |
| 22:49:35 | neur0 | gprs? u live in sweden?:) |
| 22:49:45 | LinusN | yes |
| 22:49:51 | neur0 | very cheap there |
| 22:49:53 | LinusN | i'm in a hospital at the moment |
| 22:50:07 | neur0 | r u hurt? |
| 22:50:21 | LinusN | my wife, not me |
| 22:50:49 | neur0 | wish her well from me... |
| 22:51:03 | LinusN | i will, thank you |
| 22:51:17 | neur0 | ok so the hard way for my prob will be formatting the drive |
| 22:52:05 | neur0 | thanks for the quick and good info |
| 22:52:08 | LinusN | yes |
| 22:52:14 | LinusN | bp |
| 22:52:16 | LinusN | np |
| 22:56:38 | neur0 | If i get to know the exact problem i will tell you how i fixed it... |
| 22:56:53 | LinusN | great |
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| 23:06:53 | neur0 | so let's see if linux can help...(made a boot disk) |
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| 23:11:53 | | Join CoA-JelloEater [0] (jello_eate@12-224-202-70.client.attbi.com) |
| 23:11:57 | CoA-JelloEater | hey hey |
| 23:12:01 | CoA-JelloEater | i need help with my jb |
| 23:12:13 | | Nick Zagor|out is now known as Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) |
| 23:12:20 | Zagor | LinusN: it works? |
| 23:12:29 | CoA-JelloEater | usb does :-p |
| 23:12:33 | CoA-JelloEater | when i boot it |
| 23:12:47 | CoA-JelloEater | it says jukebox ver 5.08 and then shoots to the HD ERROR |
| 23:13:35 | CoA-JelloEater | come on anyone |
| 23:13:40 | * | CoA-JelloEater cries |
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| 23:14:05 | Zagor | HD error is usually just bad batteries. have you left them charging overnight? |
| 23:14:08 | LinusN | Zagor: yes it does, after i changed the return code from ata_write_sectors() |
| 23:14:19 | Zagor | LinusN: awesome! wooohooo |
| 23:14:30 | * | Zagor does a little dance |
| 23:15:05 | LinusN | does write() truncate the file? |
| 23:15:15 | Zagor | currently, yes. i will fix that. |
| 23:15:47 | LinusN | i think open() should do that |
| 23:16:35 | Zagor | actually, it's close() that does the actual truncating. i thought you meant more abstractly, that we should be able to write in the middle of a file. |
| 23:17:11 | LinusN | i want that, with O_RDWR |
| 23:17:11 | Zagor | it's better that close() does it than open(). it gives us an existing cluster chain to use during write. |
| 23:17:19 | Zagor | yeah, it's coming |
| 23:17:22 | LinusN | i see |
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| 23:21:42 | LinusN | Zagor: how do we want ata_write_sectors() to do regarding the return code? |
| 23:22:08 | * | CoA-JelloEater cries |
| 23:22:30 | Zagor | LinusN: the same as read_sectors, i.e. 0 == Success |
| 23:22:55 | LinusN | ok |
| 23:23:05 | LinusN | can you fix and commit? |
| 23:23:09 | Zagor | sure |
| 23:23:16 | LinusN | takes forever over gprs |
| 23:23:16 | CoA-JelloEater | why why do i get this error |
| 23:23:21 | CoA-JelloEater | is a box supposed to come up |
| 23:23:27 | CoA-JelloEater | after i install rockbox? |
| 23:23:28 | Zagor | CoA-JelloEater: did you read my message about batteries? |
| 23:23:38 | Zagor | a box? |
| 23:23:39 | CoA-JelloEater | nope |
| 23:23:45 | CoA-JelloEater | i'll do that |
| 23:23:59 | Zagor | HD error is usually just bad batteries. have you left them charging overnight? |
| 23:24:16 | | Quit tot|away () |
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| 23:25:00 | CoA-JelloEater | have you ever gotten that error? |
| 23:25:12 | CoA-JelloEater | yeah it shuts off after it says hd error |
| 23:25:14 | | Nick seb-away is now known as _seb (trilluser@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 23:25:17 | Zagor | yeah, and it always went away with charged batteries |
| 23:25:17 | | Nick _seb is now known as _seb_ (trilluser@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 23:25:19 | CoA-JelloEater | i am guessing batteries dying |
| 23:25:32 | CoA-JelloEater | fuck and i re-formatted |
| 23:25:33 | CoA-JelloEater | :-/ |
| 23:26:00 | | Nick Giss|XC is now known as Gissehel (gissehel@AFontenayssB-105-1-4-22.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 23:40:36 | Zagor | LinusN: committed |
| 23:40:46 | LinusN | gr8 |
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