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| 01:35:18 | adi|sleep | hey linus |
| 01:35:25 | adi|sleep | i understand.. my keyboard design wasn't good enough |
| 01:35:27 | * | adi|sleep sniffles |
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| 01:47:49 | LinusN | adi|sleep: no it's just that we don't like you :-) |
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| 03:44:43 | games | hey, has anyone ever heard of that gut, "Blueloop"? |
| 03:45:28 | games | or, does anyone know how to put on a patch? |
| 03:46:20 | games | rockbox sucks because thier isn't enough games |
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| 08:13:21 | dwihno | Hej gojs |
| 08:15:38 | Zagor | hola |
| 08:16:13 | dwihno | Hola seņor, une cerveza grande, porrfarbror :) |
| 08:16:53 | Zagor | :) |
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| 09:03:21 | bobTHC | yo! |
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| 09:04:56 | bobTHC | good morning! |
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| 09:07:28 | Schnueff | moin |
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| 09:29:14 | bobTHC | hi pyva! |
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| 09:44:49 | adi|dads | Zagor you around? |
| 09:49:13 | Zagor | yup |
| 09:50:45 | adi|dads | just looking for info... |
| 09:51:00 | adi|dads | what would have made my version of the keyboard better/more optimal? |
| 09:51:37 | adi|dads | oh.. and have you played with the rockboxui sim lately? |
| 09:51:51 | Zagor | i don't know. i looked at both versions, and just picked one. I felt Johns was a bit simpler. |
| 09:51:57 | adi|dads | it seems to not fully flush the boot screen when it gets to the dir listing. |
| 09:52:06 | Zagor | yeah, i did the keyboard exclusively in the sims |
| 09:52:06 | adi|dads | np |
| 09:52:47 | adi|dads | i have a completely empty archos dir in my sim directory |
| 09:53:02 | adi|dads | when i start the sim i don't get a full screen flush.. not sure why |
| 09:54:07 | adi|dads | and not that im trying to be a pain ;) |
| 09:54:13 | adi|dads | on the buglist page |
| 09:54:25 | Zagor | ok. i'll look at that |
| 09:54:29 | adi|dads | any chance we could get 'won't fix' and 'fixed' to be diff table colors? |
| 09:54:34 | adi|dads | just so they stand out a bit more |
| 09:54:52 | adi|dads | background wise |
| 09:55:14 | Zagor | uh? won't fix is red and fixed is green |
| 09:55:38 | adi|dads | the backgrounds are? |
| 09:56:17 | Zagor | yes |
| 09:56:21 | Zagor | http://rockbox.haxx.se/bugs.shtml |
| 09:56:36 | adi|dads | yeah.. |
| 09:56:43 | adi|dads | not on my version of netscape they aren't/ |
| 09:56:46 | adi|dads | chekcing in opera right now |
| 09:57:09 | adi|dads | ill be damned |
| 09:57:14 | adi|dads | in opera they are |
| 09:57:19 | adi|dads | my version of netscape they aren't |
| 09:57:31 | adi|dads | communicator 4.7 |
| 09:57:34 | adi|dads | how odd |
| 09:57:34 | Zagor | which version? |
| 09:58:26 | Zagor | the colors are done in CSS. i guess NS4.7 didn't support it that well |
| 09:58:50 | adi|dads | hmmm... possibly |
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| 10:00:38 | Zagor | hi LinusN |
| 10:00:43 | LinusN | hi |
| 10:00:45 | adi|dads | oh damn he's back |
| 10:00:53 | LinusN | :-) |
| 10:00:57 | Zagor | everybody quiet now |
| 10:01:16 | LinusN | remember that i can read the log :-) |
| 10:02:22 | adi|dads | thats what you think |
| 10:02:22 | Zagor | not if I censor it :) |
| 10:03:56 | bobTHC | <<<<updated francais.lang commited!>>>> |
| 10:05:50 | dwihno | :O |
| 10:05:54 | dwihno | C'est parfait! |
| 10:06:22 | dwihno | Tre's bien |
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| 10:09:11 | adi|dads | So, what do you call an American with common sense and a good education? |
| 10:09:21 | Zagor | rare? ;) |
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| 10:09:27 | adi|dads | An immigrant :) |
| 10:09:32 | Zagor | lol |
| 10:09:39 | adi|dads | figured you'd like that :) |
| 10:09:59 | adi|dads | Whats the one thing Canada has that America doesn't? |
| 10:10:07 | adi|dads | sorry.. reverst that. |
| 10:10:13 | Mine78 | Hi guys... do you remember the yesterday battery problem ? Well 1 of the 4 batteries was destroyed... with a tester it give oute 0.1 Volt... and I bought 4 new cells :( |
| 10:10:20 | adi|dads | Whats the one thing America has that Canada doesn't? |
| 10:10:42 | LinusN | i dunno |
| 10:10:44 | adi|dads | Nice neighbors |
| 10:10:49 | LinusN | haha |
| 10:11:03 | LinusN | Mine78: that's funny |
| 10:11:15 | LinusN | you must have fried them good |
| 10:11:27 | Zagor | Mine78: actually it's best to always use them in sets of 4. don't mix brands/models |
| 10:11:47 | Zagor | different brands have different charging characteristics |
| 10:12:06 | adi|dads | So what do you call and old britsh woman with inbreed kids that doesn't page taxes? |
| 10:12:09 | Mine78 | new cell are 1600milliampere... can I use them with 1500 ? |
| 10:12:32 | Zagor | don't mix |
| 10:12:56 | LinusN | don't even mix older with newer, even if they are the same kind |
| 10:13:07 | Mine78 | but now I have 3 originale 1500 milliampere... almost new |
| 10:13:33 | LinusN | adi|dads: ? |
| 10:13:58 | adi|dads | Her majesty |
| 10:14:00 | adi|dads | :) |
| 10:14:03 | LinusN | :-) |
| 10:14:17 | Zagor | Mine78: use them for your TV remote control, bicycle lights or whatever. don't use them in your archos |
| 10:14:29 | Mine78 | I risk to damage the archos ? |
| 10:14:42 | Zagor | Mine78: if you mix batteries, you will damage the batteries again |
| 10:15:08 | Mine78 | ok thank you... I am boring I know... really thanx |
| 10:15:13 | Zagor | no problem |
| 10:15:30 | LinusN | Mine78: how do you charge them? |
| 10:15:41 | LinusN | i mean your charging habits |
| 10:15:44 | adi|dads | easy... |
| 10:15:50 | adi|dads | catch them doing something illegal |
| 10:15:53 | * | adi|dads smirks |
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| 10:16:22 | LinusN | adi|dads: what was the question? |
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| 10:16:29 | bobTHC | french ppl : I want your suggestions for better translation in francais.lang |
| 10:16:40 | Mine78 | Well in the 1st month I drain them each 24 hours uploading and playing mp3 |
| 10:17:38 | Mine78 | And i noticed that rockbox charging is more precise than archos charging... archos never says "charged", rockbox yes, after almost 4 hours |
| 10:18:05 | Mine78 | Then at the beginning of 2nd moth they broke down |
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| 10:23:06 | Zagor | Uwe's new charging code charges the batteries more (higher top voltage, plus some other changes). can anyone come up with a good way of testing the various charging algorithms? |
| 10:23:31 | LinusN | we still need trickle charge imho |
| 10:24:02 | Zagor | I agree. We wouldn't need it if we could turn off the archos, but since we can't... |
| 10:24:15 | Zagor | also I guess trickle is a good way to "top off" the charge |
| 10:24:25 | LinusN | i have read that too |
| 10:25:20 | Zagor | LinusN: are you planning to do some tests with dynamic watermark? |
| 10:30:59 | LinusN | no, at least not yet |
| 10:31:23 | LinusN | well, i plan to, but not in the nearest future |
| 10:31:25 | Zagor | ok |
| 10:31:45 | Zagor | it seems hadaka was right and I was wrong. poweroff adds almost a second to my spinup time. |
| 10:31:59 | LinusN | ok |
| 10:32:06 | LinusN | does the mesurement work now? |
| 10:32:15 | LinusN | the spinup time measurement |
| 10:32:16 | Zagor | yes, with my upcoming commit |
| 10:32:27 | LinusN | ok, what time does it measure? |
| 10:32:36 | LinusN | from where to where? |
| 10:32:52 | Zagor | from poweron/soft-reset to completion of first read/write command (before buffer copy). |
| 10:33:17 | LinusN | ok, from poweron to DRQ? |
| 10:33:31 | Zagor | yes |
| 10:33:57 | LinusN | do you see any fluctuations in the timing? |
| 10:34:05 | Zagor | haven't done many tests yet |
| 10:35:35 | dwihno | Is there some easy way to split a byte into two parts (5, 3) ? |
| 10:35:47 | LinusN | in c? no. |
| 10:35:49 | Zagor | very little fluctuation so far. 20 ms difference. |
| 10:36:26 | LinusN | a = x & 7; |
| 10:36:35 | LinusN | b = (x >> 3) & 0x1f; |
| 10:36:50 | Zagor | dwihno: part1 = byte >> 3; part2 = byte & 7; |
| 10:37:03 | dwihno | ah |
| 10:37:16 | dwihno | bits and bones may break my bones, but pointers will never harm me :) |
| 10:37:28 | LinusN | :-) |
| 10:37:42 | Zagor | LinusN: 100ms diff this time |
| 10:37:59 | LinusN | Zagor: time for a histogram |
| 10:38:49 | dwihno | LinusN: why do you & the shifted x? |
| 10:38:56 | Zagor | LinusN: could be an idea |
| 10:39:07 | Zagor | dwihno: in case the input is larger than 8 bits |
| 10:39:33 | dwihno | hm |
| 10:40:20 | LinusN | dwihno: if x is unsigned char, it is not necessary |
| 10:40:35 | dwihno | You are like an educational centre :) |
| 10:42:03 | LinusN | actually, signed or unsigned does not matter |
| 10:42:11 | LinusN | as long as it is char |
| 10:45:06 | LinusN | Zagor: do you have a rename function in fat.c? |
| 10:45:14 | Zagor | yes |
| 10:45:37 | LinusN | ok, so a rename feature would be peanuts to implement? |
| 10:45:52 | Zagor | yes. I was thinking of making ON+PLAY in the browser bring up a quick-menu for file operations. |
| 10:46:11 | LinusN | good idea |
| 10:46:23 | LinusN | can you do mv? |
| 10:46:35 | Zagor | not yet |
| 10:47:03 | Zagor | also the player keyboard is rather buggy still :-) |
| 10:47:16 | LinusN | oh, in what way? |
| 10:47:42 | Zagor | it simply needs more work |
| 10:47:44 | LinusN | btw, 2.4.20 didn't solve my problems |
| 10:47:47 | Zagor | ok |
| 10:48:53 | adi|dads | define buggy on the keyboard? |
| 10:49:16 | Zagor | the left-right scroll is not limited properly, so you can scroll into the next page :-) |
| 10:49:35 | Zagor | ...and, ultimately, scroll into all kinds of weird memory where you really shouldn't be :) |
| 10:49:41 | * | adi|dads wistles innocently |
| 10:49:41 | LinusN | Zagor: have you removed logs from CVS? |
| 10:49:50 | * | adi|dads points Zagor at his version of the keyboard |
| 10:49:53 | * | adi|dads smirks |
| 10:50:08 | Zagor | yes, the old irc .logs. they are replaced by .txt logs |
| 10:50:14 | LinusN | aha |
| 10:51:05 | Zagor | adi|dads: uh, the only version I saw only works for recorder!? |
| 10:51:41 | adi|dads | right, and? |
| 10:52:14 | adi|dads | i didn't port to the player because i was told at the time it would be a while before we needed a keyboard and not to commit it because we didn't know where it would go :) |
| 10:52:33 | adi|dads | the keyboard you commited does not have a player version does it? |
| 10:52:52 | Zagor | yes it does. it is that version which bugs. the recorder version works fine. |
| 10:54:06 | adi|dads | see.. you didn't say that ;) |
| 10:55:25 | Zagor | <Zagor> also the player keyboard is rather buggy still :-) |
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| 10:56:47 | * | adi|dads yells at his monitor for increasing his blind spots |
| 10:56:50 | adi|dads | see.. my dad was right |
| 10:56:55 | adi|dads | it _is_ making me go blind |
| 10:56:58 | Zagor | hehe |
| 10:56:59 | adi|dads | im sorry. (' |
| 10:57:01 | adi|dads | :( |
| 10:57:45 | kargatron | i occasionally get what's termed an 'optical migraine' - painless, but i get this temporary huge blind spot. annoying. |
| 10:57:57 | Zagor | yikes |
| 10:58:04 | adi|dads | btw.. 4.8 doesn't fix the css problem either |
| 10:58:10 | adi|dads | going to try 6.* tomorrow |
| 10:58:14 | adi|dads | i refuse to go to 7 |
| 10:58:15 | LinusN | sara gets that too in some rare occasions |
| 10:58:43 | Zagor | there's a 7? |
| 10:58:46 | adi|dads | i get that to... generally.. when Ive been on the machine for hours.. |
| 10:58:51 | kargatron | Feature req 646978 vs 645901 on char scrolling - are those dupes? they seem to ask for different implementations |
| 10:59:02 | adi|dads | but then again.. comes sunday night, and she leaves to go back home again. |
| 10:59:05 | * | adi|dads smirks |
| 10:59:23 | kargatron | one is for "bitmapped graphic demo" type, and one is for char-by-char |
| 10:59:41 | adi|dads | nods |
| 10:59:46 | adi|dads | they are similar i think |
| 10:59:55 | adi|dads | btw.. what do we think of that char-by-char idea? |
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| 11:00:05 | kargatron | should i mark one dupe and just transfer a note then? |
| 11:00:11 | adi|dads | nods |
| 11:00:14 | adi|dads | i think thats good |
| 11:00:18 | Zagor | he's approaching it all wrong. char-by-char is not the solution. lower update frequency is. |
| 11:00:22 | adi|dads | transfer the 'bitmap' one... |
| 11:00:26 | adi|dads | ahh.. okay... |
| 11:00:54 | adi|dads | but with a lower update frequecy we get a slower scroll no? |
| 11:00:55 | Zagor | i think we can reject the smooth request. we can't do fast smooth scrolls. they get unreadable. |
| 11:00:56 | kargatron | lower update freq - that different from scroll speed? |
| 11:01:19 | Zagor | kargatron: yes, we actually have two parameters: pixels to move the text per update, and updates per second |
| 11:01:31 | kargatron | well, the point the earlier one makes is that he finds the archos scrolling easier to read. pure preference? or what? |
| 11:01:43 | Zagor | currently we can only change the pixel parameter, but we might want to add update frequency too |
| 11:01:58 | Zagor | it's easier to read because it's slower |
| 11:02:03 | adi|dads | how is the bounce text demo diff from scolling in how it moves the chars? |
| 11:02:15 | adi|dads | because i find that easy to read.. but file names scrolling tough |
| 11:02:57 | Zagor | completely different. also, it's easier because the font is bold |
| 11:03:19 | adi|dads | dunno about that... i use a bold font while driving for file names... |
| 11:03:26 | adi|dads | that don't seem to help all that much |
| 11:03:35 | adi|dads | but i see what you're saying |
| 11:04:05 | adi|dads | 621115 feature |
| 11:04:09 | kargatron | i myself am not crazy about the scrolling, but i don't know enough to think it's a legit complaint. I use uwe_prop, which is quite small anyway |
| 11:04:19 | adi|dads | is that possible? |
| 11:04:29 | adi|dads | Would it be possible to have the battery full percentage |
| 11:04:29 | adi|dads | shown during charging while off? Make it possilbe to |
| 11:04:29 | adi|dads | know when it is safe to take it for a full days use. thanks |
| 11:04:35 | adi|dads | sorry to spam |
| 11:04:47 | adi|dads | we don't have control of the screen at that point do we? |
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| 11:05:22 | adi|dads | i scared him off |
| 11:05:24 | adi|dads | lol |
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| 11:07:40 | kargatron | Zagor, http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=645901, if you want to make any comments on the scrolling thing. |
| 11:07:51 | Zagor | yeah, I saw. thanks |
| 11:08:23 | adi|dads | zagor we don't have control of the screen when the unit is off and charging right? |
| 11:09:03 | Zagor | right |
| 11:09:04 | kargatron | aha, just figured out why i sometimes appear to get sf mail dupes. |
| 11:09:29 | adi|dads | whys that? |
| 11:09:30 | kargatron | sf emails separately, then i also get list email of same thing. |
| 11:09:38 | adi|dads | hehehe |
| 11:10:05 | kargatron | shouldn't anyone logged into sf see that? |
| 11:10:55 | Zagor | I guess maybe I get that too, but I have dupe elimination in my mail filter :-) |
| 11:11:00 | kargatron | reminder (not that it matters much), I will be offline dec 8-28, vacation |
| 11:11:01 | kargatron | ah |
| 11:11:33 | Zagor | Thailand, was it? |
| 11:11:38 | kargatron | right |
| 11:11:55 | * | Zagor is not envious at all :) |
| 11:12:22 | kargatron | i'll letcha know how not envious you should remain when i return. :) |
| 11:12:34 | * | adi|dads is an American and as such has been warned to _not_ visit that nation :) |
| 11:13:01 | * | kargatron is also, but thinks the warning is paranoid |
| 11:13:21 | adi|dads | hehe i agree... |
| 11:13:33 | adi|dads | but finances are what dictate my level of paranoia ;) |
| 11:13:37 | kargatron | or if not paranoid, overblown in interpreted severity |
| 11:14:25 | dwihno | Zagor: Good idea (on+play = file operations) |
| 11:14:32 | adi|dads | but we HAVE to go to war with Iraq... i mean.. they are letting in the inspectors and everything... |
| 11:14:39 | adi|dads | what i mean is.. um.. yeah...! |
| 11:16:00 | adi|dads | "Bush, the second. Half the votes and double the incompetence." |
| 11:16:04 | bobTHC | american always thing they are world cops... |
| 11:16:21 | bobTHC | s/thing/think |
| 11:16:23 | adi|dads | true, but generally there is a good reasoon for that |
| 11:16:40 | kargatron | a very debatable statement. :) |
| 11:16:52 | adi|dads | which, his or mine :) |
| 11:17:00 | kargatron | yours |
| 11:17:40 | bobTHC | ouch i'm not really agree with you, for me the only reason is business |
| 11:17:51 | adi|dads | nah.. the reason is simple... it is (generally mind you) america that the UN and other nations (and their corporations) look to for monetary, humanitarian or military aide. |
| 11:17:56 | * | kargatron abstains from any further OT discussion :) |
| 11:18:24 | Zagor | monetary? uh, right. when did the US last pay their UN dues? 1970? |
| 11:18:36 | * | Zagor loves a good flame war :) |
| 11:18:42 | bobTHC | business and world supremacy are the only two goal of USA |
| 11:19:12 | adi|dads | Zagor good point.. but what nations came to the aide of the Red Cross when it nearly went bankrupt in the 80's while helping other nations? |
| 11:19:27 | adi|dads | it was canada and the us government that bailed out a US aide organization |
| 11:20:01 | adi|dads | or how about those 'small' loans that were 'paid' back to help rebuild europe? |
| 11:20:03 | adi|dads | twice ;) |
| 11:20:07 | Zagor | i think you will find it difficult to convince the rest of the world that the US has a good foreign policy :-) |
| 11:20:20 | adi|dads | im not arguing with you there |
| 11:21:16 | adi|dads | but you will have a tough time finding a country that doesn't want us aide when they are starving, broke, or being invaded. |
| 11:21:17 | bobTHC | what the only country who dont sign any ecological agreement ? |
| 11:21:22 | bobTHC | USA |
| 11:21:26 | adi|dads | (well, a democratic country at least) |
| 11:21:36 | bobTHC | of course |
| 11:21:46 | Zagor | adi|dads: you're confusing US with NATO, imho. |
| 11:21:57 | bobTHC | i dont talk about liberia or afgani |
| 11:22:02 | adi|dads | why doyou say that Zagor? |
| 11:22:33 | adi|dads | bobTHC I never said the country was perfect... |
| 11:22:53 | bobTHC | when ppl starving, usa send transgenic corn without any test on the health before |
| 11:23:03 | Zagor | because NATO is who helps UN when places need protection (bosnia etc). and NATO is a lot more than just the US |
| 11:23:06 | adi|dads | my personal opinion is.. frankly.. screw the rest of the world.. time we took care of our own first/only |
| 11:23:07 | bobTHC | starving ppl are beta tester |
| 11:23:12 | * | kargatron is going to start sneaking in his fave unimplemented feature requests in this conversation. :) |
| 11:23:17 | adi|dads | bobTHC thats crap and you know it... |
| 11:23:27 | Zagor | kargatron: hehe |
| 11:23:27 | adi|dads | oh, i agree with you Zagor |
| 11:23:46 | * | dwihno is going to sneak in configurable scroll speed |
| 11:23:46 | adi|dads | lol@kargatron |
| 11:23:53 | kargatron | usa sux ID3 YEAR usa sux |
| 11:23:58 | adi|dads | hehehe |
| 11:24:04 | kargatron | go usa BOOKMARKING yea us |
| 11:24:06 | kargatron | :) |
| 11:24:09 | adi|dads | bobTHC where are you from? |
| 11:24:32 | LinusN | he's from CHIP8 France |
| 11:24:36 | adi|dads | lol |
| 11:24:49 | adi|dads | see.. he's got a prob from the start... |
| 11:24:51 | kargatron | dwihno, scroll speed is configurable. are you referring to something else? |
| 11:24:55 | bobTHC | adi: not, read more about the congo food help , congo take it but dont distribute it to his ppl only @ refugees |
| 11:25:00 | adi|dads | he's from a country that can't even build a complete wall ;) |
| 11:25:09 | bobTHC | ;) |
| 11:25:20 | dwihno | kargatron: scroll speed isn't configurable, only the amounts of pixels being scrolled |
| 11:25:25 | bobTHC | i'm not glad of my country @ all |
| 11:25:30 | adi|dads | bobTHC read more about America helping Mexico after their 10 major earthquakes |
| 11:25:37 | adi|dads | or helping in S. America |
| 11:25:47 | kargatron | well, it's *called* scroll speed! :) |
| 11:26:00 | bobTHC | dont talk with me about S america US politic |
| 11:26:11 | LinusN | come on guys |
| 11:26:11 | adi|dads | your right.. lets go back to europe.. |
| 11:26:26 | bobTHC | because it's the best exeample of imperialism |
| 11:26:27 | dwihno | kargatron: that's false advertising :) I tried to convince Linus to make it configurable too yesterday, and Hadaka agreed :D |
| 11:26:32 | Zagor | id3v2 is really stupid. no genre and no year tags. |
| 11:26:32 | adi|dads | did you guys ever finish paying us back for those small loans to help you guys out? (france i mean)? |
| 11:26:40 | adi|dads | imperialism? |
| 11:26:53 | kargatron | no year? what do you mean? |
| 11:26:58 | LinusN | the genre tags are stupid imho |
| 11:27:02 | Zagor | kargatron: http://www.id3.org/id3v2.4.0-frames.txt |
| 11:27:03 | adi|dads | england held the world by the point of a gun for 300 years and your going to bitch to me aobut imperialism? |
| 11:27:13 | Zagor | adi|dads: drop it, ok? |
| 11:27:22 | adi|dads | hehehehe but this is fun ;) |
| 11:27:27 | adi|dads | i like picking on frogs :) |
| 11:28:08 | Zagor | LinusN: yeah, I can agree about genre. but a year tag would be useful. |
| 11:28:24 | LinusN | i can't read id3.org |
| 11:28:26 | kargatron | page not coming up |
| 11:28:30 | LinusN | reach |
| 11:28:31 | adi|dads | Zagor why would you feel a year tag to be useful? |
| 11:28:32 | Zagor | now there are two tags instead: TCOP and TPRO |
| 11:28:34 | bobTHC | during 40years USA give money to gerilleros and to military goverment to be sure of having the partnership without attempt to make the region sure |
| 11:28:44 | Zagor | both free-form text tags... |
| 11:28:45 | kargatron | how cn a year tag not be useful? |
| 11:28:57 | * | bobTHC stop the USA troll |
| 11:29:12 | LinusN | year is interesting imho |
| 11:29:12 | Zagor | adi|dads: i like to know what year the song was recorded/written |
| 11:29:15 | adi|dads | bobTHC at Zagor's request im dropping it :) (you surrendering wussy frog you ;) ) |
| 11:29:25 | adi|dads | nods |
| 11:29:37 | adi|dads | but in the same vein, genre could be important to someone |
| 11:29:41 | kargatron | hm, can't get to id3.org, darnit |
| 11:29:46 | Zagor | adi|dads: i agree |
| 11:29:46 | LinusN | me neither |
| 11:29:48 | * | adi|dads doesn't care for either, but thats another story |
| 11:29:57 | Zagor | time to mirror it, i'd say |
| 11:29:57 | bobTHC | hehe |
| 11:30:14 | LinusN | id3.org is down very frequently |
| 11:30:19 | bobTHC | sir,yes sir |
| 11:30:24 | kargatron | not caring about year clearly labels you as a musical dabbler, adi|dads |
| 11:30:25 | kargatron | :) |
| 11:30:32 | Zagor | yes. i'll upload it to rockbox.haxx.se |
| 11:30:42 | kargatron | year = history = context! |
| 11:30:42 | adi|dads | damnit.. for 2 weeks my dad bitched.. 'the cdrom isn't working' i tell him.. did you check the power cable going to it. "Yes im not stupid." |
| 11:30:45 | adi|dads | so i check it... |
| 11:30:56 | adi|dads | guess what was _not_ hooked up? |
| 11:31:04 | LinusN | the floppy? |
| 11:31:09 | LinusN | the hard disk? |
| 11:31:12 | LinusN | the toaster? |
| 11:31:14 | kargatron | his brain? |
| 11:31:15 | adi|dads | lol |
| 11:31:23 | adi|dads | bing bing bing |
| 11:31:27 | bobTHC | the TV? |
| 11:31:27 | adi|dads | give kargatron a cigar |
| 11:31:42 | LinusN | oh, so it wasn't the cdrom after all |
| 11:31:46 | LinusN | :-) |
| 11:31:52 | adi|dads | hehehe |
| 11:31:57 | adi|dads | i blame it on NATO |
| 11:31:59 | * | adi|dads ducks |
| 11:32:31 | kargatron | so i have mostly v2.3 tags - there's year there - 2.4 changes it? or is this an internal invisible thing? |
| 11:32:35 | Zagor | oh, this just gets better. id3v2.3.0 has TORY (Original release year). id3v2.4.0 doesn't! |
| 11:32:46 | Zagor | exactly |
| 11:32:48 | LinusN | it's sooo silly |
| 11:32:54 | adi|dads | hehehe |
| 11:33:03 | kargatron | and tcop/tpro are what? |
| 11:33:06 | adi|dads | wtf decides how the id3v2 is set up? |
| 11:33:13 | kargatron | (since i can't get to id3.org atm) |
| 11:33:13 | LinusN | id3.org |
| 11:33:22 | Zagor | *and* it has TYER, which is "The 'Year' frame is a numeric string with a year of the recording." |
| 11:33:53 | LinusN | so TYER is it? |
| 11:34:55 | Zagor | tcop and tpro are Copyright and Producer free-format text strings |
| 11:35:52 | Zagor | for 2.3 yes |
| 11:38:29 | kargatron | i encode with v1 and v2.3. i think all my mp3s have v1, and the newer both. |
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| 11:44:20 | Zagor | id3 specs added to our documentation page |
| 11:44:30 | LinusN | gr8 |
| 11:45:26 | adi|dads | nice |
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| 11:48:45 | LinusN | ho Bagder |
| 11:48:50 | Bagder | hey |
| 11:54:11 | adi|dads | hmmm.. a hanging bug was reported |
| 11:54:19 | adi|dads | ive had it too recently, but i thought it was just me |
| 11:54:24 | adi|dads | i get it when im in the quick menus |
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| 11:56:58 | Zagor | i love this proxy :( |
| 11:57:12 | LinusN | Zagor: how come you don't use muh? |
| 11:57:18 | Zagor | I do |
| 11:57:26 | Bagder | he does, check his host |
| 11:57:34 | LinusN | then why change nick? |
| 11:57:45 | Zagor | because I don't use muh from home |
| 11:57:59 | LinusN | w2hy not? |
| 11:58:07 | Zagor | no reason |
| 11:58:49 | Bagder | you can have muh try different nicks anyway |
| 11:59:22 | adi|dads | karg|fud you said sourceforge is sending you emails.. how did you turn that off? |
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| 12:00:09 | Zagor | Bagder: yes, but I don't want muh to hog 'Zagor', that's all |
| 12:01:43 | LinusN | Zagor: i thought that was the point |
| 12:02:21 | adi|dads | okay.. bed time.. night all. |
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| 12:03:26 | Zagor | LinusN: no, the only point for me is to access irc through a proxy. |
| 12:05:46 | LinusN | ok |
| 12:06:00 | LinusN | i use muh wherever i go |
| 12:06:25 | Zagor | yeah, I guess that would be simpler for me too |
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| 12:10:35 | LinusN | i need a suggestion for a good dynamic watermark algo |
| 12:10:52 | LinusN | use the bitrate infor from the header? |
| 12:11:00 | LinusN | tune in as the song plays? |
| 12:11:21 | Zagor | bitrate info is usually correct |
| 12:11:50 | Zagor | that plus spinup time should be good enough. with a 50-100% margin |
| 12:12:14 | LinusN | but when do we know that the spinup time info is correct? |
| 12:12:31 | LinusN | in case of resume |
| 12:12:34 | Zagor | when it is != 0 |
| 12:12:40 | Zagor | ? |
| 12:12:56 | LinusN | resume -> song starts playing immediately |
| 12:13:03 | LinusN | with no spindown in between |
| 12:14:04 | Zagor | the spindown timer only changes the value if the disk was sleeping |
| 12:14:04 | Zagor | so if no spinup, no spinup time |
| 12:14:15 | LinusN | ok, use the max watermark until a measurement is made |
| 12:14:28 | Zagor | yes |
| 12:14:55 | Zagor | also I guess we could fancy up the timing a bit and use average times |
| 12:15:20 | LinusN | yeah, a floating average |
| 12:15:29 | LinusN | or whatever it's called |
| 12:15:40 | Zagor | yup |
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| 12:18:36 | | Nick karg|fud is now known as kargatron (~Vincent@ppp-isdn-557.ath.forthnet.gr) |
| 12:25:03 | bobTHC | bye all |
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| 12:30:21 | * | Bagder is away: I'm busy |
| 12:35:03 | * | dwihno ate weird lunch: pasta con carne :) |
| 12:49:06 | dwihno | LinusN: Wanna know something funny? The kebab-sång works flawlessly with the archos firmware :) |
| 12:54:07 | LinusN | dwihno: give it to me |
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| 12:59:21 | * | Bagder is back (gone 00:29:00) |
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| 13:03:50 | LinusN | dynamic bitrate coming up rsn |
| 13:04:08 | Bagder | rockers |
| 13:04:16 | LinusN | s/bitrate/watermark/ |
| 13:04:24 | Zagor | great! |
| 13:04:55 | dwihno | Yay! :D |
| 13:04:58 | dwihno | Yay for L |
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| 13:05:12 | quelsaruk | hi |
| 13:05:20 | dwihno | Linus: You got file |
| 13:05:31 | LinusN | dwihno: i can't do dcc |
| 13:05:58 | quelsaruk | LinusN: if you want use my ftp |
| 13:05:58 | Zagor | ah, now there's a reason for not always using muh :-) |
| 13:06:37 | Bagder | not really |
| 13:06:42 | Bagder | muh deals with dcc |
| 13:06:46 | Zagor | it does? |
| 13:07:02 | Zagor | so why can't linus use it? |
| 13:07:10 | Bagder | I don't know |
| 13:07:18 | Bagder | his dlink perhaps |
| 13:07:19 | dwihno | only cowards use muh ;D |
| 13:07:21 | LinusN | no |
| 13:07:28 | dwihno | hehu, muh |
| 13:07:30 | LinusN | Bagder: i couldn't do it before dlink either |
| 13:07:45 | Bagder | then it's because Linus is incompetent ;-) |
| 13:07:50 | * | Bagder hides |
| 13:08:28 | LinusN | *slap* |
| 13:08:47 | dwihno | LinusN: You got /msg |
| 13:09:04 | dwihno | Or perhaps muh re-routed them to /dev/null ;) |
| 13:09:19 | Hadaka | ho hum |
| 13:10:51 | dwihno | Hello Hadaka |
| 13:10:58 | dwihno | Hadaka: Did you implement variable scroll speed? :) |
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| 13:11:56 | LinusN | Hadaka: what watermark settings worked for you? |
| 13:13:00 | Zagor | dwihno: it's already implemented. we just need to add a setting |
| 13:13:25 | dwihno | :O |
| 13:13:30 | * | dwihno gasps |
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| 13:16:12 | Hadaka | dwihno: no :) |
| 13:16:38 | Hadaka | LinusN: nothing solved the spin-up-while-moving problem |
| 13:16:51 | Hadaka | LinusN: but 60000/40000 was the best setting |
| 13:17:05 | dwihno | I read the posts about battery in the mailing list. |
| 13:17:25 | dwihno | Will a change make a notable difference? |
| 13:17:26 | Hadaka | but I think the low watermark needs to be increased even more to take into account the 5 second spin up |
| 13:17:28 | LinusN | hmmm, maybe the firmware in the drive performs some tests while powering up, and those fail when the drive is shaking? |
| 13:18:43 | dwihno | I note no spin up speed difference with my IBM drive |
| 13:19:11 | kargatron | Hadaka, summarize - poweroff=ON gives you poor results when moving? better when it's OFF? |
| 13:19:29 | Hadaka | kargatron: yes. |
| 13:19:41 | Hadaka | LinusN: could be |
| 13:19:43 | Zagor | dwihno: really? |
| 13:20:08 | Hadaka | and the delay between the spinup and reading was weird |
| 13:20:09 | dwihno | Zagor: I'll test rightaway, just to double-check |
| 13:20:13 | Zagor | dwihno: use the spinup timer. Debug->Disk info |
| 13:20:19 | LinusN | dwihno: wow! |
| 13:20:35 | LinusN | the kebab song sounds really funky! |
| 13:20:39 | Hadaka | oh btw - how is the spinup initiated? just by reading from the disk or is it told to spin up? |
| 13:20:54 | dwihno | LinusN: it sure does... fishy, huh? it sounds good in the archos firmware (*eww*) |
| 13:20:56 | Zagor | Hadaka: it's explicit |
| 13:21:10 | Hadaka | ok |
| 13:22:53 | dwihno | With power-off: 2340, without 2510 |
| 13:22:54 | dwihno | Erhm |
| 13:23:00 | dwihno | Isn't that funky? :O |
| 13:23:21 | Zagor | that's suspiciously funky |
| 13:23:53 | dwihno | Got 2180 now |
| 13:23:56 | Hadaka | I think my 20ms is a little more funky ;) |
| 13:24:26 | Hadaka | now if only gmane would liven up so i could read the mailing list again |
| 13:25:59 | Zagor | dwihno: that could be the reason IBM drives use more power on spinup. they simply do it faster. |
| 13:26:33 | Hadaka | there's no way to measure power expenditure inside rockbox is there? |
| 13:26:50 | Zagor | no |
| 13:26:53 | Hadaka | nods |
| 13:26:56 | Zagor | that would be great |
| 13:27:04 | Hadaka | indeed |
| 13:28:15 | Zagor | LinusN: I'm not sure I want my watermark at 320kbit level for my 96 kbit vbr tracks :-) |
| 13:28:32 | LinusN | Zagor: and how would you like it then? |
| 13:28:44 | LinusN | there may still be 320kbit frames in it |
| 13:28:45 | Zagor | i'm not sure. how about avg.bitrate * 1.5 ? |
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| 13:29:06 | Zagor | yes, but average rate is pretty accurate when you're talking about one meg chunks |
| 13:29:12 | LinusN | and if not? |
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| 13:29:28 | LinusN | Zagor: better safe than sorry |
| 13:29:34 | dwihno | Zagor: Might be... |
| 13:29:38 | Zagor | the point is, this is no good |
| 13:29:52 | Zagor | 75% of my tracks are vbr. now rockbox uses *more |
| 13:29:55 | Zagor | * power than before |
| 13:29:57 | Hadaka | but if safe means that the buffer will not be used as fully, it means spinups more often which means more battery |
| 13:30:04 | Zagor | exactly |
| 13:30:16 | LinusN | ok |
| 13:31:03 | Hadaka | make it dynamic - and allow for a 'safety zone' setting that can be big or small, depending on one's preferences |
| 13:31:15 | Hadaka | and automatically big when running with the charger |
| 13:31:44 | Zagor | not a bad idea, actually. that would be like the adjustable mode some people have asked for. |
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| 13:32:07 | Zagor | normally "safe level" should be at 0, but if you are out running a lot or otherwise have problems, bump it to 2-4 seconds |
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| 13:32:23 | LinusN | we have only one problem left: headerless VBR's |
| 13:32:41 | Zagor | those i'm fine with running as 320 kbit |
| 13:32:50 | LinusN | Zagor: we can't detect them |
| 13:32:51 | Zagor | those are bastard type files anyway |
| 13:32:56 | Zagor | ah, right |
| 13:33:12 | LinusN | well, actually we can, but it would be a mess |
| 13:33:36 | Zagor | what do they show up as today? |
| 13:34:06 | LinusN | CBR, with the bitrate of the first frame |
| 13:35:25 | Zagor | ugh |
| 13:35:41 | kargatron | wow, i'm totally lost. what is watermarking, and what is it for? It impacts battery usage? can reduce jolt-skipping? sorry for the ignorance |
| 13:36:10 | Zagor | the low watermark is how empty the buffer gets before new data is loaded from disk |
| 13:36:16 | LinusN | kargatron: the amount of bytes left in the buffer when we should start reading in data again |
| 13:36:22 | kargatron | ohh |
| 13:36:46 | kargatron | thought it was some kind of digital signature in the file or something - no wonder i was so confused :) |
| 13:36:51 | LinusN | i'll create a buffer margin setting |
| 13:37:22 | LinusN | but we're out of RTC space :-( |
| 13:37:33 | Zagor | ugh, right |
| 13:37:42 | Bagder | we need RTC compression! ;-) |
| 13:37:56 | LinusN | i am tempted to toss out some of the peak meter settings |
| 13:38:13 | kargatron | presumably, some settings are accessed much less often, and can be moved to real files? |
| 13:38:28 | Zagor | or at least moved to the non-rtc are of the settings |
| 13:38:40 | Zagor | such as peack meter... |
| 13:40:13 | Zagor | LinusN: don |
| 13:40:14 | LinusN | Zagor: why on earth do you use little endian for the runtime meters? |
| 13:40:40 | Zagor | it wasn't on purpose. I just split into bytes. |
| 13:41:04 | Zagor | LinusN: what kind of margin do you have for CBR data? I can't see from the patch |
| 13:41:14 | Zagor | i.e error margin, if the spinup takes too long etc |
| 13:41:47 | LinusN | i multiply the spinup time by 3, where 2 is adequate |
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| 13:42:18 | Zagor | so, basically, the disk powers up 10 seconds before data runs out? |
| 13:42:21 | LinusN | later to be transformed into the buffer margin setting |
| 13:42:30 | Zagor | ok |
| 13:42:35 | Zagor | sounds good |
| 13:42:47 | LinusN | 10 secs if the spinup time is 3.33 secs |
| 13:43:11 | Zagor | i'll pull and test instead of askin a lot :-) |
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| 13:43:55 | LinusN | i found some room in RTC |
| 13:44:19 | Zagor | if you only need a few bits, there's some space available |
| 13:44:22 | LinusN | 0x25 0x39 <disk_spindown flag> |
| 13:44:25 | Zagor | right |
| 13:44:30 | LinusN | 6 bits free |
| 13:45:29 | Zagor | 7 even. spindown is just one bit. (and it's wrong. poweroff is at 0x25. spindown is @ 0x1a) |
| 13:45:45 | Zagor | I wrote the comment wrong |
| 13:46:09 | LinusN | Zagor: must leave one bit free, so the byte value doesn't accidentally become 0xff |
| 13:46:28 | Zagor | ok |
| 13:46:57 | Zagor | still buffer margin should only be like 3 bits right? |
| 13:47:06 | LinusN | 0x25 0x39 <disk poweroff flag, MP3 buffer margin> |
| 13:47:41 | LinusN | 0-7 seconds? |
| 13:47:57 | Zagor | yeah, isn't that good? |
| 13:48:00 | LinusN | or indices in a list of values? |
| 13:48:29 | Zagor | 0-7 is a good start. we can always make a list later if we want |
| 13:48:32 | LinusN | let's start with 0-7 secs |
| 13:48:35 | LinusN | :-) |
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| 14:10:44 | Zagor | yikes. 'lowest' during a 128kbit CBR is ~110 KB |
| 14:11:21 | Zagor | testing 320 |
| 14:11:57 | LinusN | remember, "lowest" doesn't tell the entire truth |
| 14:12:02 | Zagor | no? |
| 14:12:23 | LinusN | it seems like it never goes below C000 or something |
| 14:12:27 | Zagor | 240 KB during 320 kbit |
| 14:12:47 | Zagor | meseems it's being a bit over-conservative :-) |
| 14:13:11 | LinusN | Zagor: i tested with *2 and it wasn't enough |
| 14:13:18 | Zagor | i have test files @ http://rockbox.haxx.se/mp3/ |
| 14:13:29 | LinusN | well, it was exactly on the margin |
| 14:13:49 | Zagor | i'll test some too |
| 14:13:52 | LinusN | Zagor: you mean the giana files? i use them for testing. |
| 14:13:58 | Zagor | ok. good. |
| 14:19:43 | LinusN | when we have fine-tuned this function, we really can claim optimal battery usage :-) |
| 14:20:02 | Zagor | yup |
| 14:20:35 | Zagor | can you look into the latest value, if it is incorrect. it's a good value to look at |
| 14:20:51 | LinusN | sure |
| 14:22:37 | Zagor | oh crapola. the id3v1 loader lseek()s to every little piece of info. that hurts! |
| 14:23:22 | Zagor | fixing |
| 14:23:34 | LinusN | "lowest" should be correct now |
| 14:23:41 | Zagor | you found somehting? |
| 14:24:04 | LinusN | it wasn't updated when it became 0 |
| 14:24:12 | LinusN | so it never reached 0 |
| 14:24:17 | Zagor | ok |
| 14:24:30 | LinusN | otherwise it is correct |
| 14:25:59 | LinusN | we may want to account for the read() time as well |
| 14:26:09 | LinusN | and swap() |
| 14:26:53 | LinusN | the most sensitive part is when data has been read, and the swapping hasn't begun yet |
| 14:27:23 | Zagor | yes |
| 14:27:28 | LinusN | ah, i have an idea |
| 14:27:38 | Zagor | we need a margin, for sure. i just want to make it as optimal as we can |
| 14:27:39 | Zagor | ok? |
| 14:28:04 | Zagor | the swapping time should be pretty linear with the length of the read data, no? |
| 14:28:39 | LinusN | yes it is, but there is no swapping taking place when the disk is reading data |
| 14:29:29 | Zagor | right. what I mean is the swap time could be easily included in the watermark calculation |
| 14:30:01 | LinusN | ah, true |
| 14:30:10 | LinusN | but the swap time is transparent |
| 14:30:22 | LinusN | it can play and swap simultaneously |
| 14:30:43 | Zagor | except for the first chunk |
| 14:30:45 | LinusN | it just need to be ahead of the playback |
| 14:30:55 | LinusN | wait for my fix... |
| 14:30:58 | Zagor | ok :-) |
| 14:31:03 | LinusN | thing is: |
| 14:31:25 | LinusN | when the buffer wraps, it needs to do 2 read() calls |
| 14:31:29 | Zagor | what's the emacs command for setting a particular line's indentation? |
| 14:31:35 | LinusN | it will swap between the calls |
| 14:31:44 | LinusN | but only 8Kbytes |
| 14:31:48 | Zagor | ah, ok |
| 14:32:11 | LinusN | so i'll add a check for "playable space" |
| 14:32:27 | LinusN | if there isn't enough playable space, it will swap in larger chunks |
| 14:32:38 | Zagor | sounds good |
| 14:33:24 | Bagder | Zagor: control-x . |
| 14:33:51 | Bagder | fill-prefix |
| 14:34:05 | Bagder | or did you mean a c indent level? |
| 14:34:08 | Zagor | yes |
| 14:34:35 | Bagder | control-c control-o on that particular line |
| 14:34:53 | Zagor | ahhh... |
| 14:36:15 | LinusN | or TAB |
| 14:36:38 | LinusN | or am i missing something? |
| 14:37:06 | Bagder | if you wanna change the level |
| 14:37:12 | Bagder | tab uses the level |
| 14:37:13 | Zagor | LinusN: i wanted to change the indentation rule for a specific line ('case' in this...case) |
| 14:37:46 | LinusN | ah |
| 14:39:04 | LinusN | can you guys repeat the "skips 2 songs" bug reported in the mailing list? |
| 14:39:07 | LinusN | i can't |
| 14:40:06 | LinusN | improved swap committed |
| 14:40:16 | Zagor | i haven't tried :) |
| 14:44:05 | LinusN | hehe, the watermark gets lower when i disable disk poweroff |
| 14:44:31 | LinusN | i wonder if we should call the buffer margin something else? |
| 14:44:37 | LinusN | in the settings |
| 14:44:50 | LinusN | like "skip buffer" or the like |
| 14:44:59 | LinusN | what is it called in cd players? |
| 14:45:40 | Zagor | hmm |
| 14:46:26 | Zagor | I think they usually call it "Skip protection" |
| 14:46:59 | Zagor | Anti-skip even :-) |
| 14:47:26 | Zagor | nah, differs. "Skip protection" is good IMHO |
| 14:48:43 | LinusN | but 0 seconds makes it sound like we have none at all... |
| 14:49:04 | LinusN | well, maybe it's true |
| 14:49:07 | Zagor | Call it "Extra anti-skip" then :-) |
| 14:49:27 | LinusN | "Anti-skip buffer" |
| 14:49:43 | LinusN | a tough one to translate :-) |
| 14:50:10 | Zagor | hehe |
| 14:50:19 | LinusN | is "Anti-skip buffer" ok? |
| 14:51:00 | Zagor | yes, I think so |
| 14:51:11 | LinusN | ok |
| 14:51:17 | Bagder | An tisk IP ? |
| 14:51:22 | Bagder | :-P |
| 14:51:57 | LinusN | go back to sleep, Bagder |
| 14:52:11 | Bagder | me not sleep |
| 14:52:14 | Bagder | me debug |
| 14:52:25 | LinusN | go back to debugging, Bagder |
| 14:52:42 | * | Bagder goes back to debugging |
| 14:52:57 | LinusN | ...and stay there! :-) |
| 14:53:32 | * | Bagder watches the thick doors close and hears the lock click behind him |
| 14:54:44 | Bagder | SKIP = Sick Kids need Involved People, Inc. |
| 14:54:55 | Bagder | acronymfinder.com is nice ;-) |
| 14:55:48 | Bagder | so, anti-skip must be people who are not involved |
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| 15:11:15 | Zagor | Bagder: did you add the "min frame size" check to setid3v2title()? the TYER frame is 4 bytes (8 with header) |
| 15:12:16 | Bagder | I don't see it matters who did it, but I don't think it was me |
| 15:12:35 | Zagor | it doesn't matter, I just wondered if you knew something I don't :-) |
| 15:12:41 | Bagder | ok |
| 15:12:54 | Bagder | but I don't ;-) |
| 15:13:04 | Zagor | I noticed ;-P |
| 15:14:35 | Zagor | the id3v2 header is supposed to be 10 bytes. I just found a file saying just "ID3" and then start stacking frames... |
| 15:15:04 | Zagor | it's nice having the spec. too bad people don't give a rats about it... :-) |
| 15:15:23 | Bagder | that's the nice part with specs |
| 15:15:33 | Bagder | they're fine to read but people don't care about them ;-) |
| 15:15:45 | Zagor | up |
| 15:15:46 | Zagor | yup |
| 15:15:59 | Bagder | been there a few times with the http spec |
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| 15:30:42 | Bagder | time to run home |
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| 16:05:26 | LinusN | that's what i call running |
| 16:05:32 | Bagder | :-) |
| 16:05:52 | Bagder | I run fast |
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| 16:21:29 | Zagor | boom. 1KB text added :) |
| 16:22:02 | Bagder | oooo |
| 16:22:24 | Bagder | I can't understand people who want that |
| 16:22:33 | Bagder | can't they hear the music? |
| 16:22:49 | Zagor | :-) |
| 16:22:52 | Bagder | or are they thinking like this "oh, what's this genre of music called?" |
| 16:23:06 | Zagor | also it's always wrong on stuff you download |
| 16:23:12 | Bagder | indeed |
| 16:23:37 | Zagor | still, a complete id3v1 implementation has it, so... |
| 16:23:43 | Bagder | I agree |
| 16:23:49 | Bagder | I just won't use it |
| 16:24:02 | LinusN | and it's also a matter of taste |
| 16:24:17 | LinusN | is it trance or is it dance? |
| 16:24:20 | Bagder | I don't know anyone with taste ;-) |
| 16:24:52 | LinusN | "Techno-Industrial" |
| 16:25:13 | Bagder | right, I can never find a fitting genre when I've tried to fine one |
| 16:25:14 | Bagder | find |
| 16:25:22 | LinusN | and what's the difference between Ballad and Power Ballad? |
| 16:25:40 | LinusN | and who dares to tag it Porn Groove? |
| 16:25:50 | Bagder | Ballad and Power Ballad are overly stupid |
| 16:26:42 | LinusN | and Humour vs Satire |
| 16:26:53 | LinusN | i can go on for ages |
| 16:27:13 | LinusN | the whole genre thing is pretty silly imho |
| 16:27:27 | Zagor | I think we've established that, yes :-) |
| 16:28:12 | LinusN | Zagor: try the newest dynamic buffer handling |
| 16:28:31 | Zagor | soon |
| 16:48:10 | Zagor | LinusN: it seems playback start is delayed longer now |
| 16:49:26 | LinusN | yes, the default watermark is higher now |
| 16:49:54 | LinusN | wait until the HD has stopped and see if that makes any difference |
| 16:50:21 | Zagor | it does. no sound until disk reading is completed. |
| 16:51:09 | Zagor | gotta go now. see you later! |
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| 18:41:42 | kargatron | how was genre implemented - a read-only file of a number-name table? |
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| 19:22:53 | Mode | "#rockbox +o Bagder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 19:23:08 | Topic | "Zagor appeared on swedish TV - http://rockbox.haxx.se/TODO" by Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) |
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| 19:28:49 | Triple-z | zagor on tv? nice, when? |
| 19:28:56 | Bagder | just 10 minutes ago |
| 19:29:16 | Bagder | they taped it yesterday |
| 19:29:42 | Bagder | it was regarding his "swap appartment" site |
| 19:30:14 | LinusN | and they gave the wrong URL! :-) |
| 19:30:17 | Bagder | yes |
| 19:30:26 | Triple-z | whats the site? |
| 19:30:28 | Bagder | I've mailed Arne about it to set one up |
| 19:30:46 | Bagder | Triple-z: its in swedish: bjorn.haxx.se/byta/ |
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| 19:47:44 | Bagder | the tv-star arrives! |
| 19:47:58 | * | Bagder bows |
| 19:47:58 | Triple-z | heh |
| 19:48:05 | * | Triple-z too |
| 19:48:13 | Zagor | hey. too bad my vcr didn't record anything, so I haven't seen it myself :-) |
| 19:48:30 | Bagder | I recorded it |
| 19:48:34 | Zagor | you did? cool! |
| 19:48:41 | Bagder | I got home 2 minutes before it started ;-) |
| 19:48:47 | Zagor | excellent |
| 19:49:02 | Bagder | as you saw, they showed a bad url |
| 19:49:25 | Zagor | they did? |
| 19:49:28 | Bagder | yeah |
| 19:49:34 | LinusN | www.bjorn.haxx.se |
| 19:49:38 | LinusN | silly people |
| 19:49:58 | LinusN | why do they always assume that all addressesm begin with www? |
| 19:50:01 | Bagder | Zagor: see my mail I mailed you |
| 19:50:26 | LinusN | i recorded it too |
| 19:50:29 | Zagor | argh |
| 19:50:43 | Zagor | Bagder: can we fix a CNAME for www.bjorn ? |
| 19:50:43 | LinusN | and they displayed the url in all capitals :-) |
| 19:50:55 | Bagder | Zagor: but the URL of your browser was also seen on TV, with the correct url |
| 19:50:57 | LinusN | we have mailed the admin already |
| 19:51:05 | Bagder | Zagor: read my mail ;-) |
| 19:51:13 | * | Zagor goes reading his mail |
| 19:54:43 | Zagor | LinusN: can you divx-encode the video and put it somewhere for me? |
| 19:57:33 | LinusN | maybe |
| 19:58:01 | LinusN | you'll have to give me some time for that |
| 19:58:11 | Zagor | ok |
| 19:58:43 | Zagor | if you could just digitize it, I could do the conversion of course. but I guess the conversion is not what takes time :-) |
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| 20:02:13 | LinusN | no, it's booting into w2k and firing up the matrox card |
| 20:03:48 | Bagder | would be neat to get docs on how to run on the fm |
| 20:03:53 | Zagor | http://svt.se/svt/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=857 |
| 20:04:21 | Bagder | correct address there |
| 20:04:46 | Zagor | yup. i think the reporter had it right, but the graphics people screwed up |
| 20:07:31 | Bagder | they showed it around 6 too |
| 20:08:27 | Zagor | wow, in the 5-minute news? maybe it will air in the 21.40-news too then. |
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| 20:09:25 | LinusN | can you guys try the latest BE and see if it skips, and if the start-of-playback speed has improved? |
| 20:09:52 | Zagor | will do. the one I fetched just before I left skipped a lot :-) |
| 20:11:31 | LinusN | try with and without poweroff |
| 20:11:52 | Zagor | ok |
| 20:12:12 | LinusN | and experiment with the anti-skip setting |
| 20:20:13 | Zagor | i'm getting a lot of mail from people who saw me on TV :-) apparently it aired nation-wide, not just in Stockholm |
| 20:21:13 | Bagder | c00l |
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| 20:22:12 | johnny | hello |
| 20:28:52 | Bagder | hey |
| 20:29:27 | edx | Zagor: you've been on TV? for what reason? :) |
| 20:29:38 | Zagor | my apartment swapping site |
| 20:30:05 | edx | nice :) - a well known channel? |
| 20:30:37 | Zagor | yeah, SVT2, on of the two main state channel. on their regional news show. |
| 20:30:47 | edx | cool |
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| 20:33:28 | johnny | hmmm.... |
| 20:33:45 | johnny | i just installed rockbox on my ipod. now there's smoke coming out of it |
| 20:34:03 | Bagder | that's our self-destruct mechanism ;-) |
| 20:34:12 | Zagor | lol |
| 20:34:16 | johnny | ;-) |
| 20:34:31 | Bagder | "this disk will self-destruct in 5 seconds" |
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| 20:47:20 | Zagor | there's constantly 6-8 searches running. nice having with dual Athlons :) |
| 20:47:57 | Bagder | :-) |
| 20:48:38 | Zagor | about 200 new ads the last hour |
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| 21:00:29 | LinusN | tried the dynamic watermarking yet, Zagor? |
| 21:00:35 | LinusN | Bagder? |
| 21:00:42 | LinusN | anyone? |
| 21:00:49 | Zagor | testing now |
| 21:01:26 | Bagder | ok, time to test |
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| 21:01:57 | LinusN | especially the playback start time |
| 21:02:54 | Zagor | what's the new wm: values? |
| 21:03:05 | Mine78 | Linus I am able to partially reproduce the bug I told you some days ago... about the blank screen exiting and re-entering a song |
| 21:03:45 | Mine78 | It happens when you play a song than exit and go around in direcotries |
| 21:04:03 | Mine78 | when the song change and you re-press on to see which one it is, sometime the screen is blank |
| 21:04:20 | LinusN | ok |
| 21:04:34 | LinusN | Zagor: WaterMark |
| 21:04:37 | Mine78 | It doesn't happen always. It often happens if I use the 5x7 font... dunno if it's related |
| 21:04:41 | LinusN | calculated - lowest |
| 21:05:01 | LinusN | Mine78: interesting |
| 21:05:02 | Zagor | ok. got lowest A2FE now. that's a nice low margin. |
| 21:05:18 | LinusN | antiskip = 0? |
| 21:05:36 | Zagor | yes |
| 21:06:03 | Bagder | uff |
| 21:06:12 | Bagder | skip at first attempt |
| 21:06:25 | Bagder | 128kbit cbr |
| 21:06:29 | Zagor | startup is much quicker now |
| 21:06:45 | Bagder | 3e80 - 0 |
| 21:06:59 | LinusN | 3e80???? |
| 21:07:05 | kargatron | is that bug recently noted on the list still undiagnosed (audio dropouts during disk read)? |
| 21:07:06 | Bagder | yessir |
| 21:07:07 | LinusN | wow! |
| 21:07:23 | Bagder | but its crap |
| 21:07:28 | LinusN | kargatron: it is being worked on |
| 21:07:46 | LinusN | kargatron: it's only been a few hours since we introduced it, be patient :-) |
| 21:07:46 | Zagor | kargatron: it's the new dynamic watermark code. being tuned right now. |
| 21:07:51 | Bagder | and another skip |
| 21:08:02 | Bagder | 5dc0 - 0 |
| 21:08:03 | LinusN | Bagder: poweroff = yes? |
| 21:08:16 | Zagor | Bagder: what is your spinup time? |
| 21:08:27 | kargatron | just asking to judge if i should grab latest, is all. i've never deliberately rushed developement. :) |
| 21:08:38 | Bagder | poweroff = yes |
| 21:08:49 | LinusN | kargatron: please use the latest, to test |
| 21:09:06 | LinusN | Bagder: the spinup measurement gives very short times |
| 21:09:09 | LinusN | for you |
| 21:09:19 | Bagder | 5210ms! |
| 21:09:37 | LinusN | that is loooong |
| 21:09:42 | Zagor | very very strange |
| 21:09:42 | Bagder | and 600ms now |
| 21:09:50 | Zagor | that's the bug |
| 21:09:55 | Zagor | how the heck can it be 600? |
| 21:10:39 | LinusN | Bagder: do you use a playlist? |
| 21:10:44 | Zagor | LinusN: until that is fixed, I suggest you treat any spinup time < 2500 as 2500 |
| 21:10:52 | Bagder | LinusN: playlist, yes |
| 21:10:56 | LinusN | try without |
| 21:10:59 | Bagder | ok |
| 21:11:00 | LinusN | dir play |
| 21:11:11 | LinusN | Zagor: can you put that in the ata code? |
| 21:11:27 | Zagor | that makes it much harder to debug |
| 21:11:41 | LinusN | Zagor: i don't get it, but ok |
| 21:12:11 | Bagder | found another 128kbit now, but this time it says bb80 - |
| 21:12:23 | LinusN | bb80 is way low |
| 21:12:28 | Zagor | I mean if I change it in ata.c, the bug will be invisible and we can't get third party reports about it |
| 21:12:44 | Zagor | since Disk info will also report 2500 as lowest |
| 21:12:44 | Bagder | spinup now says 1910 ms |
| 21:12:49 | LinusN | third party will not know if i fix it either |
| 21:13:00 | LinusN | Zagor: aha, now i get it |
| 21:13:04 | Zagor | they will when we ask then to check disk info |
| 21:13:34 | Bagder | skips just as bad |
| 21:13:36 | Zagor | Bagder: what disk do you have? |
| 21:13:38 | Bagder | on every load |
| 21:13:51 | Zagor | yes, with those buggy spinup times it will skip |
| 21:14:01 | Bagder | fujitsu MHN2200AT |
| 21:14:32 | Zagor | ouch, I have lowest 0 now. didn't notice the skip though |
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| 21:15:07 | Bagder | gah |
| 21:15:10 | Bagder | it not only skips |
| 21:15:16 | Bagder | it plays a part of the previous song |
| 21:15:24 | Bagder | when it had moved on |
| 21:15:33 | LinusN | ouch |
| 21:16:14 | Bagder | what's the write and swap valueS? |
| 21:16:32 | LinusN | indexes in the ring buffer |
| 21:16:37 | LinusN | write = disk write |
| 21:16:38 | Bagder | ok |
| 21:16:41 | LinusN | swap = swap |
| 21:16:43 | LinusN | :-) |
| 21:16:49 | Zagor | really? ;) |
| 21:16:58 | Bagder | hehe |
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| 21:17:31 | Zagor | sound start is nice and fast |
| 21:17:54 | LinusN | i have spinup=1630ms |
| 21:18:07 | Zagor | wth? |
| 21:18:22 | Zagor | any ideas how that can happen? |
| 21:18:26 | Bagder | I try a 192kbit now |
| 21:18:36 | Zagor | internal disk prefetch or something? |
| 21:18:43 | Bagder | but still a bad spinup at 620 |
| 21:18:54 | Zagor | but then it should be like 20ms, not those odd half-low values |
| 21:19:19 | Bagder | oooh |
| 21:19:22 | Bagder | no skip! |
| 21:19:24 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 21:19:28 | Zagor | got a skip now too, at 128 kbit. spinup 3550ms |
| 21:19:39 | Zagor | wm: 1B580 - 0 |
| 21:20:15 | Zagor | adding spinup time to the mpeg debug screen might be an idea |
| 21:20:22 | Bagder | yeah |
| 21:20:24 | Bagder | all in one |
| 21:21:10 | Zagor | skip again. 3650 ms |
| 21:21:18 | Zagor | strange |
| 21:21:46 | Zagor | 1B580 should be plenty of time @128kbit |
| 21:21:48 | Bagder | my 192kbit seems to do fine now |
| 21:25:18 | Bagder | any theories on the spinup time bug? |
| 21:25:45 | Bagder | uuuuh |
| 21:25:48 | Zagor | no |
| 21:25:50 | Bagder | no sound |
| 21:25:54 | Bagder | but it runs |
| 21:26:02 | Bagder | the playable moves |
| 21:26:12 | Bagder | that's what I call a skip |
| 21:26:25 | Zagor | it's very strange. how can it spin up, and not calculate the time correctly? |
| 21:26:28 | Bagder | waaa |
| 21:26:45 | Bagder | and it came back when the whole buffer was through one extra lap |
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| 21:27:07 | LinusN | Bagder: that may be a double swap |
| 21:27:19 | Bagder | would it be silent then? |
| 21:28:09 | Bagder | btw |
| 21:28:19 | Bagder | if a skip occurs, shouldn't the wm value change? |
| 21:28:23 | Zagor | 160 kbit seems to work too |
| 21:28:33 | LinusN | Bagder: if it swaps, and then swaps back, yes |
| 21:28:54 | LinusN | Bagder: no it shouldn't change |
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| 21:29:11 | elinenbe | hi there :) |
| 21:29:14 | elinenbe | long time no see! |
| 21:29:15 | LinusN | hi |
| 21:29:19 | Bagder | why not? shouldn't it compensate somehow? |
| 21:29:22 | Bagder | hey elinenbe |
| 21:29:27 | elinenbe | Zagor appeared on TV??? |
| 21:29:28 | elinenbe | for what? |
| 21:29:39 | elinenbe | you have been making some awesome progress! |
| 21:29:41 | elinenbe | way to go! |
| 21:29:53 | Zagor | it was not about rockbox :-) |
| 21:30:17 | LinusN | Bagder: the whole idea is that we should never skip |
| 21:30:22 | elinenbe | Zagor: what was it for? |
| 21:30:28 | Bagder | true |
| 21:30:45 | Zagor | elinenbe: i run an apartment swapping web site, and it made the news |
| 21:30:46 | elinenbe | LinusN: I don't know what you are talking about, but I would rather have 100 hour batterlife with random skips every 5 seconds. |
| 21:30:48 | Triple-z | the new keyboard will be used for search also? |
| 21:30:52 | elinenbe | Zagor: nice :) |
| 21:31:00 | LinusN | Triple-z: for all text input |
| 21:31:15 | Triple-z | cant wait |
| 21:31:37 | Bagder | funny enough my 192kbit ones run fine |
| 21:31:53 | Zagor | Bagder: are you getting any mail? i haven't gotten one the last 30 minutes |
| 21:31:58 | LinusN | Bagder: it compensates for high bitrate |
| 21:32:06 | Triple-z | 3 thing i really lookin for: 1. quque 2. search 3. bidi scroll |
| 21:32:19 | LinusN | Zagor: labb os down due to byta-overload |
| 21:32:25 | LinusN | :-) |
| 21:32:26 | Bagder | Zagor: I'm zero mails since 30 mins too |
| 21:32:50 | Zagor | LinusN: could be, if the mail passed through it :-) |
| 21:33:22 | LinusN | i thought the rockbox mailing list did that |
| 21:33:37 | Zagor | yes it does. but I get *no* mail. |
| 21:34:33 | Zagor | nice. a 56kbit song gets a very low watermark |
| 21:34:37 | Bagder | no, there's a prob somewhere |
| 21:35:01 | Zagor | sendmail is responding, at least |
| 21:35:33 | Zagor | uh, no it doesn't. not on mail.haxx.se :-( |
| 21:35:39 | LinusN | oh |
| 21:35:48 | elinenbe | what is bidi scroll? |
| 21:35:56 | LinusN | bidirectional |
| 21:36:27 | | Nick LinusN is now known as LinusN|fairytale (~linus@labb.contactor.se) |
| 21:37:09 | Bagder | Zagor: right, its a haxx.se problem |
| 21:37:27 | Bagder | I could mail myself to contactor.se from home |
| 21:37:52 | Bagder | "Domain of sender address daniel@haxx.se does not resolve" |
| 21:38:14 | Zagor | boo. bad night for a breakdown :-( |
| 21:38:47 | Zagor | 25 sendmail processes running |
| 21:38:51 | Bagder | but its weird since the dns seems to work fine |
| 21:39:00 | Zagor | but no cpu load |
| 21:40:04 | Zagor | elit dns is busted |
| 21:43:03 | elinenbe | you guys ROCK the BOX!!! |
| 21:44:40 | elinenbe | I think that you should add .ogg playing. |
| 21:44:46 | elinenbe | either that or .divx playing. |
| 21:44:56 | elinenbe | I would love to watch divx movies on my recorder |
| 21:45:06 | elinenbe | hehe −− I love giving you a hard time :) |
| 21:45:30 | Triple-z | does ipod used special software to transfer files? or is it like the ABJR? |
| 21:45:54 | elinenbe | Triple-z: special software |
| 21:46:03 | Triple-z | shitty |
| 21:46:09 | Triple-z | u sure? |
| 21:46:15 | elinenbe | Triple-z: the ipod wishes it was as cool as the Archos Recorder (with rockbox) |
| 21:46:20 | elinenbe | Triple-z: yup, I have one! |
| 21:46:31 | Triple-z | you can put only mp3 on it? |
| 21:46:33 | elinenbe | Triple-z: I NEVER use it... I really only use my Archos Recorder. |
| 21:47:00 | elinenbe | Triple-z: no, you can mount is as a hard drive, but when it is a hard drive you can not see the music files on it. |
| 21:47:04 | Triple-z | you got the windows version of ipod? |
| 21:48:00 | Triple-z | dude you should mail you your ipod if you dont need it.. |
| 21:48:25 | elinenbe | mail it where? China? |
| 21:48:40 | elinenbe | I have the mac version, but I converted it to the windows version. |
| 21:48:57 | Triple-z | where you live? |
| 21:49:18 | Triple-z | where do you live that is |
| 21:49:36 | | Quit jh101 () |
| 21:50:46 | Triple-z | anyway hows the ipod frimware? with the jog and all that, is it good? |
| 21:51:42 | Zagor | i'd also like to know if it really does no caching during playback |
| 21:53:07 | elinenbe | IT is okay. |
| 21:53:27 | elinenbe | the new version is way worse (non moving jog dial!) |
| 21:53:34 | elinenbe | I hate the way it works/feels |
| 21:54:57 | elinenbe | it is like a touchpad on a laptop! |
| 21:55:17 | elinenbe | Zagor: I am unsure about that... |
| 21:55:54 | Triple-z | hows the screen? design? size? |
| 21:56:39 | | Join BoD[] [0] (~BoD@m131.net81-67-41.noos.fr) |
| 21:56:53 | BoD[] | hi ! |
| 21:57:30 | elinenbe | hi there. |
| 21:57:37 | elinenbe | are you an archos jukebox user? |
| 21:58:17 | johnny | i'm using an ipod ;-) |
| 21:58:34 | johnny | just in case you someone wanted to know *g* |
| 21:59:08 | Triple-z | yeah i wanna know |
| 21:59:17 | johnny | hehe |
| 21:59:26 | Triple-z | its smaller than archos? |
| 21:59:31 | y0m | hi there |
| 21:59:46 | johnny | i think so |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:07 | johnny | it's like a card game |
| 22:00:19 | y0m | it looks smaller |
| 22:00:21 | Bagder | how's the playback time with it on fully charged batteries? |
| 22:00:34 | Triple-z | well it dosent got open source code frimware right? |
| 22:00:39 | johnny | 10 hours |
| 22:00:42 | BoD[] | does it have tetris ? ;)) |
| 22:00:47 | y0m | (: |
| 22:00:53 | Triple-z | or sokoban? |
| 22:00:54 | johnny | BoD[]: only break-out ;) |
| 22:01:08 | Bagder | we need breakout |
| 22:01:11 | BoD[] | .. really ?? |
| 22:01:12 | johnny | hihi |
| 22:01:14 | Schnueff | heh |
| 22:01:15 | y0m | hahaha |
| 22:01:16 | johnny | yepp |
| 22:01:18 | BoD[] | I thought it had no game |
| 22:01:23 | Triple-z | you like it generally? |
| 22:01:32 | johnny | i'm in love with it |
| 22:01:46 | Triple-z | u got also archos? |
| 22:01:57 | johnny | nope |
| 22:02:03 | BoD[] | how many ms between 2 tracks when clicking "next" |
| 22:02:11 | Triple-z | so what are you doin here dude? |
| 22:02:28 | johnny | Triple-z: i'm finding your project quite intresting |
| 22:02:30 | Zagor | 10+ concurrent byta-processes now. the cstrike server is starting to see increased pings... |
| 22:02:52 | Bagder | hehe |
| 22:03:01 | BoD[] | hein? |
| 22:03:28 | Triple-z | well it not mine buy it is quite intresting |
| 22:03:31 | johnny | Triple-z: and i found the rockbox-website already, when i was still unsure, which player to buy |
| 22:03:33 | Triple-z | :P |
| 22:03:38 | johnny | ok ;) |
| 22:04:01 | Triple-z | ipod does look cool |
| 22:04:22 | Triple-z | but i got my archos before the windows ver of ipod |
| 22:04:27 | Bagder | 32 MB ram makes the programmers spoiled ;-) |
| 22:04:35 | johnny | *g* |
| 22:04:52 | Triple-z | yeah that this is da bomb, 32mb jeez |
| 22:05:02 | johnny | but there aren't a lot of ipod-programmers, i'm afraid |
| 22:05:18 | Bagder | still, it has gaps in the playback they say |
| 22:05:24 | Triple-z | www.ipodhacks.com is any good? |
| 22:05:33 | johnny | Triple-z: no, too high level ;) |
| 22:05:46 | Triple-z | too high? |
| 22:05:57 | johnny | Triple-z: this is more intresting: http://members.lycos.co.uk/busonerd/ipod.php |
| 22:06:30 | BoD[] | you can modify the firmware in an ipod ?? |
| 22:06:39 | johnny | not yet, i think |
| 22:07:04 | Triple-z | anyone ever saw rioriot? |
| 22:07:18 | BoD[] | nop? |
| 22:07:19 | | Nick LinusN|fairytale is now known as LinusN (~linus@labb.contactor.se) |
| 22:07:20 | johnny | only pictures of it ;) |
| 22:07:27 | Triple-z | or used even better |
| 22:07:29 | BoD[] | what is it |
| 22:07:29 | elinenbe | I think the rioriot is a piece of shiz... |
| 22:07:32 | Bagder | LinusN: any good tails tonight? ;-) |
| 22:07:36 | Triple-z | pics i also saw |
| 22:07:45 | elinenbe | did anyone ever hear back from the company that is making an "open source" player? |
| 22:08:13 | Triple-z | i wanna see some good pic of ipod near archos to see the size diffrence |
| 22:08:14 | Triple-z | or |
| 22:08:21 | Triple-z | ipod on your plam |
| 22:08:24 | LinusN | Mamma Mu bygger en koja |
| 22:08:28 | Triple-z | something like it |
| 22:08:38 | | Quit elinenbe () |
| 22:08:56 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 22:08:56 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 22:09:15 | Triple-z | anyone got that kinda pics? |
| 22:09:25 | johnny | Triple-z: www.ipodlounge.com |
| 22:09:33 | johnny | there are lots of pics with hands |
| 22:10:02 | Triple-z | thanks |
| 22:10:11 | Triple-z | got more good sites? |
| 22:10:23 | johnny | yes, but not ipod-related ;-) |
| 22:10:37 | Triple-z | so..? |
| 22:10:48 | johnny | that was a joke (sort of) |
| 22:10:51 | BoD[] | :))))) |
| 22:10:57 | Triple-z | guessed that |
| 22:11:02 | johnny | ;-) |
| 22:11:42 | Triple-z | www.ipodhardcore.com <=- blonds doin it with ipods on them :D |
| 22:12:07 | BoD[] | i actually clicked on that |
| 22:12:12 | Triple-z | heh |
| 22:12:25 | Triple-z | its working? |
| 22:12:32 | BoD[] | :))))) |
| 22:12:40 | BoD[] | how sad am i :) |
| 22:12:42 | johnny | hihi |
| 22:14:05 | Zagor | oh god. 30 processes now... this is worse than slashdot :-) |
| 22:14:36 | Bagder | ~600 new ones since this afternoon ;-) |
| 22:14:47 | BoD[] | by the way.. any idea about the HITACHI_DK23CA-20 problems I experience? |
| 22:15:03 | johnny | sooo. i'm going to a pub now ... |
| 22:15:04 | Bagder | BoD[]: we have heaps of new problems right now |
| 22:15:09 | Zagor | BoD[]: can't say I do |
| 22:15:21 | BoD[] | ok :) |
| 22:15:50 | BoD[] | i'll stay with the 2002 11 30 version |
| 22:15:55 | | Join ]ack[ [0] (~a@216.248.231.88) |
| 22:16:01 | BoD[] | and try new ones as they come |
| 22:16:33 | Triple-z | jo: you got the 10gb windows version? |
| 22:16:56 | Bagder | ah, right those ipods have tiny disks |
| 22:17:05 | Bagder | :-) |
| 22:17:21 | Triple-z | they got 20ver i think |
| 22:17:43 | Bagder | for an arm and a leg if so |
| 22:17:45 | Triple-z | how fast USB 2.0 actually works? |
| 22:17:48 | johnny | Triple-z: exactly. 10 gig, win |
| 22:17:53 | BoD[] | i'd buy one if they'd come in 40G .... and cheaper;)) |
| 22:18:06 | johnny | and it's a 1.8-inch-disk |
| 22:18:36 | Bagder | Triple-z: the 2.0 is MUCH faster than the slowmo 1.1 |
| 22:18:38 | | Join ken0 [0] (marklar2@80.178.34.193) |
| 22:18:38 | johnny | usb 2.0 is a little bit slower than firewire i think |
| 22:18:48 | Bagder | nope |
| 22:18:51 | Zagor | USB2 is actually a little bit faster than firewire |
| 22:18:51 | johnny | no? |
| 22:19:07 | Zagor | but the disks are always the limiting factor, so it doesn't differ |
| 22:19:09 | johnny | but i was right with the "little bit"-part |
| 22:19:14 | Zagor | hehe |
| 22:19:22 | Triple-z | bagder: but how fast its working with archos? |
| 22:19:45 | Bagder | Triple-z: I don't remember exactly, but I think I copied over my first 15GB in just a little over an hour |
| 22:20:05 | Bagder | it was a while ago |
| 22:20:28 | johnny | hmmmm |
| 22:21:15 | ]ack[ | sorry to bother, does anyone here have a 0.7a drive working in their archos? I know the old hitachi drives were 0.5a... |
| 22:21:37 | Bagder | a as in ampere? |
| 22:21:44 | ]ack[ | yep |
| 22:22:01 | ]ack[ | all the drives I see in stores are 0.7a |
| 22:23:06 | Bagder | Zagor: did ya watch the late abc? |
| 22:24:14 | ]ack[ | is there a difference I should be worried about? |
| 22:24:35 | * | Bagder still runs with the original 20GB |
| 22:24:42 | Zagor | no, naturally I missed that... but they have it published on svt.se. I'm installing realplayer now... |
| 22:25:06 | Bagder | aha, neat. Put a link on the site |
| 22:25:21 | Zagor | ah, good idea |
| 22:25:23 | ]ack[ | hmmm....anyone else here have a non-factory drive installed in their JB? |
| 22:25:34 | Bagder | btw, should we point to the archos user forums from the rockbox site? |
| 22:26:39 | BoD[] | abc? |
| 22:28:10 | Bagder | abc is the news show Zagor appeared in |
| 22:28:42 | BoD[] | oh :) what what is about |
| 22:28:47 | BoD[] | hem |
| 22:28:48 | BoD[] | i mean |
| 22:29:01 | BoD[] | what was it about |
| 22:29:03 | BoD[] | ? |
| 22:29:04 | Bagder | haxx.se mails coming through |
| 22:29:12 | Bagder | BoD[]: about his apartment site |
| 22:29:21 | LinusN | BoD[]: he has made a site for swapping appartments |
| 22:29:30 | BoD[] | oh really :) |
| 22:29:48 | BoD[] | what's the url |
| 22:29:50 | Zagor | Bagder: i noticed :-) |
| 22:31:13 | Bagder | with exponential back-off times, you never know ;-) |
| 22:32:54 | Zagor | BoD[]: http://bjorn.haxx.se/byta/ (it's all in swedish) |
| 22:35:21 | BoD[] | perl :) youhouu |
| 22:35:48 | BoD[] | ah ahha :) I like the simcity logo :)) |
| 22:36:20 | | Quit [keno] (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 22:42:45 | BoD[] | going to watch tv |
| 22:42:51 | | Nick BoD[] is now known as BoD[tv] (~BoD@m131.net81-67-41.noos.fr) |
| 22:45:34 | LinusN | ok, the current watermark calculations are a bit optimistic |
| 22:48:02 | | Join ken0_ [0] (marklar2@80.178.33.170) |
| 22:50:06 | LinusN | Zagor: finally, you can put "as seen on TV" on anything you've made :-) |
| 22:50:25 | Bagder | YES! ;-) |
| 22:50:48 | Bagder | but I didn't see any rockbox |
| 22:51:10 | Zagor | haha |
| 22:51:47 | Zagor | we actually touched on that during the interview, but of course it didn't make it to the final cut |
| 22:53:17 | | Quit ken0 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 22:57:01 | LinusN | new mpeg.c committed |
| 22:57:56 | Bagder | ah, and a safety check for really bad spinup times ;-) |
| 22:58:58 | LinusN | now it wastes space, but is safer |
| 22:59:24 | Triple-z | anyone got avatar of abjr? |
| 22:59:28 | LinusN | i'd like you giys to try it |
| 22:59:40 | Bagder | I'm about to |
| 22:59:51 | Triple-z | like this one for ipod http://www.ipoding.com/images/topics/ipod.gif |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:20 | Bagder | what's avatar? |
| 23:00:54 | Triple-z | mall pic |
| 23:01:07 | Triple-z | check that one of ipod |
| 23:01:12 | Triple-z | small |
| 23:02:52 | Bagder | LinusN: does playlist or dir matter? |
| 23:03:41 | Bagder | kicking off with a 192 |
| 23:04:00 | Bagder | 2bf20 seems big enough |
| 23:04:17 | Zagor | gosh! I just looked at their 5-minute news spot from 18.55. A whole minute was spent about my site! |
| 23:05:06 | Bagder | 128kbit now |
| 23:05:18 | LinusN | 2bf20 may be close to the margin for a 192kbit/s file |
| 23:05:39 | Bagder | did fine |
| 23:06:18 | Bagder | dang |
| 23:06:21 | Bagder | skipped |
| 23:06:29 | Bagder | 1d4c0 on 128kbit |
| 23:07:05 | LinusN | 1d4c0? |
| 23:07:46 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:08:37 | Bagder | skips multiple times too |
| 23:09:01 | LinusN | ok, that means that the 2.5s safety margin isn't enough |
| 23:09:47 | Bagder | crap |
| 23:09:49 | LinusN | ok, as long as the spinup measurement fails like this, this isn't gonna work |
| 23:09:50 | Bagder | 192kbit skipped too |
| 23:10:10 | Bagder | 2bf20 |
| 23:10:19 | LinusN | that is way low |
| 23:10:58 | LinusN | what is the shortest real life spinup time we've seen? |
| 23:12:07 | Bagder | I dunno |
| 23:12:31 | LinusN | i see a potential measurement problem |
| 23:13:49 | LinusN | oh, false alarm |
| 23:20:27 | LinusN | Zagor: have you tried? |
| 23:20:59 | Zagor | no, i've been a bit busy :) |
| 23:21:13 | Zagor | anyone know a way to rip realplayer streams? |
| 23:21:27 | LinusN | no i don't |
| 23:22:23 | LinusN | it seems like we have real problems measuring Bagder's spinup times |
| 23:24:35 | Zagor | yeah. i can't figure out how that happens :-( |
| 23:24:50 | LinusN | Bagder: what spinup times seem realistic to you? |
| 23:25:39 | LinusN | Zagor: is there a chance that the sleeping flag can be set without the drive being asleep? |
| 23:26:20 | LinusN | i guess not |
| 23:26:37 | Zagor | i can't see how, anyway |
| 23:27:00 | LinusN | it works 100% for me |
| 23:27:24 | Zagor | yeah, me too |
| 23:27:46 | LinusN | i guess the toshiba is nice to us |
| 23:31:23 | Bagder | I find it really hard to estimate the spinup times |
| 23:31:52 | Zagor | yes it is |
| 23:32:03 | Triple-z | anyone got a good case for the jukebox? |
| 23:35:43 | Bagder | time to hit it |
| 23:35:49 | Bagder | night guys |
| 23:35:51 | | Quit Bagder ("http://daniel.haxx.se") |
| 23:44:26 | Zagor | same here |
| 23:44:27 | | Quit Zagor ("Client Exiting") |
| 23:49:16 | | Quit TotMacher () |
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