00:00:43 | ricII | because playlist_get_resume_info() is only called from wps.c |
00:02:19 | ricII | I explicite save settings when I change used lenght the patches file (which is never truncated for fragemention) |
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00:07:12 | ricII|pub | getting a beer :) |
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00:11:30 | sansa | Hi all. |
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00:13:23 | sansa | Anybody have problems with the buttons on their jukebox wearing out? |
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00:17:11 | kargatron | i suppose i expect to have that problem at some point in the future, but not yet, so far. |
00:17:20 | kargatron | you mean the contacts? |
00:17:22 | sansa | K |
00:17:45 | sansa | Yeah, I think so... wevery once and awhile I've got to push kind of hard to get the + button to work. |
00:18:02 | kargatron | the buttons are simple plastic overlays - if you lift the faceplate off, you might be able to see exactly where the problem is |
00:18:24 | kargatron | (eg. the real button underneath, vs misaligned plastic above) |
00:19:09 | sansa | Cool... it worked fantastic when I first got it, about nine months ago.. the silver has worn off the plastic.. |
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00:37:47 | Darsh | can anyone here help me out? |
00:37:56 | kargatron | dunno |
00:39:26 | sansa | That depends on what you need help with. |
00:39:47 | Darsh | ok... i'm trying to get Rolo working |
00:40:03 | Darsh | the problem is, I can't see the .mod file from the archos |
00:40:34 | kargatron | hm, nnot sure about player stuff |
00:40:41 | kargatron | but make sure file-view is set to 'all' |
00:40:49 | Darsh | wheres that option? |
00:40:51 | kargatron | and the .mod files should then be visible, if there |
00:40:54 | kargatron | on the player, dunno |
00:40:56 | kargatron | sorry |
00:41:02 | Darsh | ok tahnks... let me see if i can find it |
00:41:06 | kargatron | somewhere in the menu |
00:41:12 | kargatron | under general settings |
00:41:35 | Darsh | oh wow |
00:41:36 | Darsh | haha |
00:41:38 | Darsh | that worked |
00:41:46 | Darsh | i can see it now |
00:41:47 | Darsh | thanks |
00:41:53 | Darsh | let me see if it'll work |
00:44:10 | Darsh | I got an error.... to get it to work, i just need a blank .mod file, right? |
00:45:19 | kargatron | hm, i only ever rolo'ed to an archos update, never tried a blank to go to the ROM version |
00:45:25 | kargatron | dunno that either :) |
00:45:44 | Darsh | the archos update will create a .mod file for me? |
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00:47:22 | kargatron | an archos update *is* a .mod file, which you would name like archos_blah.mod, and then play that. |
00:47:40 | kargatron | but to get to original firmware that's on the ROM, i just don't happen to know |
00:47:50 | Darsh | hmm... i just downloaded th latest, and its not a .mod... its a .ajz |
00:49:00 | kargatron | you have player or recorder? |
00:49:10 | Darsh | player... but nm, i just read i can rename it |
00:49:13 | Darsh | let me test this out |
00:49:14 | Darsh | tahnks |
00:49:44 | Darsh | i need to have archos.mod (the rockbox one) in the root of the player, right? |
00:49:52 | Darsh | but the other(s) can be elsewhere? |
00:51:56 | kargatron | hm, i think so. clear in the docs, no? (i'm not looking atm) |
00:52:17 | Darsh | i couldnt find much documentation on Rolo anywhere |
00:52:24 | Darsh | just one part of that FAQ |
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00:54:44 | Darsh | got another question... how stable are the daily builds? |
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00:57:23 | kargatron | very, typically |
00:57:30 | kargatron | most here use them |
00:57:32 | Darsh | hmm |
00:57:53 | Darsh | how often about do 1.#'s get released? is it relatively fast? |
00:58:23 | kargatron | no |
00:58:25 | kargatron | months |
00:58:28 | Darsh | ah |
00:58:28 | Darsh | ok |
00:58:49 | Darsh | is it worth it to upgrade the daily builds every day? or should i just chill, and grab them every week or so? |
00:59:18 | kargatron | the latter |
00:59:20 | kargatron | ime |
00:59:33 | kargatron | just keep eye out for features you like |
00:59:52 | kargatron | no harm in sticking with a nice working daily, if more recent builds have nothing big added |
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01:00:02 | Darsh | true true |
01:00:04 | kargatron | e.g. i was on 12/28 for a long time, then just recently upgraded |
01:00:38 | Darsh | have you had or heard of any major problems using rockbox? i read about that thing with the drive being passworded.... is stuff like that common? |
01:00:50 | Darsh | esp with daily builds? |
01:01:13 | kargatron | no |
01:01:24 | Darsh | thats good |
01:01:32 | kargatron | those were probably special cases/situations. |
01:01:39 | Darsh | i figured as much |
01:03:08 | Darsh | your not one of the devs, are you? |
01:05:07 | kargatron | no |
01:05:11 | Darsh | ok |
01:05:20 | kargatron | part-time feature request janitor, and full-time user :) |
01:05:23 | Darsh | heh |
01:05:55 | Darsh | the 1.4 zip contained a folder with a bunhch of languages, and system.wps.... the dail build doesnt |
01:06:02 | Darsh | do i need any of those |
01:06:11 | Darsh | (english language one i mean) |
01:06:29 | kargatron | no |
01:06:45 | kargatron | you're using rockbox now, right? |
01:06:53 | Darsh | yeah |
01:06:57 | Darsh | 1.4 |
01:07:23 | kargatron | you should definitely go to a daily, i think, lots of new features |
01:07:30 | Darsh | allright |
01:07:41 | kargatron | tho i have a recorder, and don't keep track of player features |
01:07:42 | Darsh | yesterday's allright? or is there a oldfer one youd recommend? |
01:07:46 | Darsh | ah |
01:07:48 | Darsh | haha ok |
01:07:49 | Darsh | tahnks |
01:08:36 | Darsh | i dont need english.lng? it will automatically be english? |
01:08:57 | kargatron | yeah |
01:09:02 | Darsh | ok |
01:09:14 | Darsh | and the system.wps, thats something for the display, right? |
01:09:40 | kargatron | the default one - perhaps the file is for an example |
01:09:52 | Darsh | ok... is it hard to make your own? |
01:10:18 | kargatron | text editor |
01:10:37 | kargatron | there's a page on it on the site, under docs |
01:11:01 | Darsh | right, but is it complicated to make one? |
01:11:38 | kargatron | to get exactly what you want, maybe. |
01:11:44 | kargatron | depends on your preference |
01:11:50 | Darsh | ok |
01:12:03 | kargatron | mines kinda complicated, but gives me what i want. but i have many lines to play with on recorder - player's only two |
01:12:49 | Darsh | yeah true |
01:12:57 | Darsh | i kinda wish i had known abot that before hand |
01:12:58 | Darsh | oh well |
01:13:19 | Darsh | i also kinda wish i had gotten the mpeg player one ;) |
01:15:43 | kargatron | no rockbox for that one |
01:16:13 | Darsh | true, but video and color ;) |
01:16:53 | Darsh | hmm it looks simpler then i thought |
01:18:55 | Darsh | tahnks for all your help man, i gotta go, might be back later if i need more help :) |
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01:25:01 | adi|work | Is Jason Clark here |
01:25:02 | adi|work | ? |
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02:14:10 | PsycoXul | and then there's ton's of molds and jellies in the room they're coming from |
02:14:12 | PsycoXul | er |
02:14:13 | PsycoXul | doh |
02:19:01 | _seb_ | intriguing... |
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02:36:18 | Simeon | Hello. I purchased a FM Recorder tonight, and so far have been unsuccessful in getting any of your builds to boot .... does it boot yet? :) |
02:36:54 | Nibbler | think so, but im not sure |
02:36:54 | Simeon | with the newest build, i see the Rockbox logo flash, and then the device immediately shuts down. |
02:37:03 | Nibbler | :| |
02:37:49 | Nibbler | i think i heard ppl talking bout them using rockbox on FM, but as i am a n00b myself.... |
02:38:00 | Simeon | hm... heh :) |
02:38:06 | Jet8810 | hmm |
02:38:33 | Jet8810 | is there any difference between the Music Match that comes with Archos MP3s and the Music Match that is free on their website? |
02:39:10 | Nibbler | what is music match used for? |
02:39:46 | Jet8810 | play mp3s/rip/make playlists |
02:39:46 | Jet8810 | ect |
02:41:32 | Nibbler | ill install it too tehn, maybe its better than the old audio catalyst i use... |
02:42:30 | Jet8810 | heh |
02:42:32 | Jet8810 | its awesome |
02:42:39 | Nibbler | is it? |
02:42:44 | Jet8810 | I think so |
02:42:46 | Jet8810 | default mp3 player now |
02:42:49 | Jet8810 | bye bye winamp |
02:42:55 | Nibbler | seriously??? |
02:42:57 | Nibbler | hrml |
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02:47:27 | Jet8810 | yea |
02:50:00 | Jet8810 | hmm |
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02:50:16 | Darsh | hi |
02:50:17 | Jet8810 | I wonder if a music match liscnese allows for unlimited installations on pcs in one home legally |
02:50:20 | Darsh | i have another question |
02:50:23 | Jet8810 | software allows it but dont want to steal |
02:50:46 | Darsh | when i upgrade to a new daily build, my settings get reset? |
02:51:01 | Nibbler | Darsh: maybe, depends on the changes in the build |
02:51:12 | Darsh | ok |
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02:51:16 | Darsh | thank you |
02:52:10 | Jet8810 | heh yea |
02:52:15 | Jet8810 | thats why I dont get new daily builds anymore |
02:52:19 | Jet8810 | I change every few weeks |
02:59:03 | Darsh | it says if i make a custom .wps, and then run it, it will continue to be used |
02:59:14 | Darsh | it also says i have to put it in .rockbox to have it load when i start |
02:59:22 | Nibbler | where do i find the key for my musicmatch? :| |
02:59:29 | Darsh | that's kinda contradictory |
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03:03:34 | Darsh | is there a bug with yesterdayd build? itr says my HD is completely empty |
03:03:39 | Darsh | whcih is false |
03:03:43 | Darsh | its like 4 gigs full |
03:07:19 | Darsh | hmm nevermind i found a bug report about it |
03:11:23 | Nibbler | where on the CD/recorder/box/manual is the key for musicmatch? |
03:14:59 | Jet8810 | lol Nibbler |
03:15:01 | Jet8810 | see that paper case thing? |
03:15:03 | Jet8810 | look on the back |
03:15:07 | Jet8810 | the case thing the cd is in |
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03:15:28 | Simeon | damn ... just made my first recording |
03:15:43 | Simeon | sounds ... horrible. i hope i just chose something bad to record. |
03:15:44 | Jet8810 | heh |
03:15:55 | Jet8810 | you need a mic to record though right? |
03:15:59 | Jet8810 | or is there a mic on the recorder |
03:16:01 | Jet8810 | ? |
03:16:04 | Simeon | no, i have my own mic |
03:16:06 | Nibbler | there is build in mic |
03:16:09 | Simeon | sounds great on my MD recorder |
03:16:15 | Simeon | sounded like crap on what i just recorded |
03:32:00 | Simeon | wow ... what a terrible disappointment |
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03:32:33 | Simeon | not only does the unit itself produce a TON of noise when monitoring, but it's analog line seems to be horrendously bad ... |
03:32:43 | Simeon | I hope they take this thing back tommorow... |
03:33:14 | ricII | lol |
03:33:28 | Simeon | :( |
03:33:43 | Simeon | i was hoping i had finally found something that'd allow me to make good digital recordings |
03:33:57 | Simeon | and not be limited by minidiscs suckage |
03:33:58 | ricII | a MD recorder? |
03:34:33 | Simeon | yeah, Sony MZ-R700 |
03:35:01 | ricII | Oh you mean the archos record capabilities... |
03:35:06 | Simeon | right |
03:35:16 | Simeon | with a nice microphone |
03:35:28 | Simeon | side-by-side comparison with my md recorder |
03:35:34 | Simeon | it gets blown away |
03:35:56 | ricII | well what did you expect... |
03:36:03 | Simeon | uhm |
03:36:23 | Simeon | it to make good recordings? ... is that too much to expect? |
03:36:44 | ricII | 160kb mp3 ??? |
03:37:18 | Simeon | i don't think that's the issue. |
03:37:42 | Simeon | just side by side monitoring before i actually record, there's a huge difference |
03:39:11 | ricII | to me is the archos is a great toy, a protable hd which happens to play mp3... |
03:40:25 | Simeon | unfortunately, that's not what i was looking for |
03:40:35 | Simeon | i'm a professional who makes field recordings |
03:40:46 | ricII | nothing serious compared to e.g. class A tube amp.. |
03:41:31 | ricII | portable DAT recorder is what you need.. |
03:42:02 | Simeon | heh ... well ... professional-minded hobbyist :) |
03:42:17 | ricII | a/d converters are much better.. |
03:42:38 | Simeon | 160k VBR + 20 Gig Drive would be great .... |
03:43:24 | ricII | using digital in is probly much better... |
03:43:36 | Simeon | heh |
03:43:43 | Simeon | unfortunately i don't have a digital mic :) |
03:44:15 | ricII | for rockbox is the fun part.. |
03:44:33 | ricII | insert "me: ... |
03:46:20 | ricII | could you image having a g4@667mhz laptop and not be able to play dvd smootly. |
03:47:01 | ricII | been reality to me for more than a year... (just because I refuse to use crapos) |
03:49:29 | ricII | because of the archos I had to recode all my ogg's to mp3 :( |
03:49:37 | PsycoXul | heh |
03:49:44 | PsycoXul | ricII: yeah i hate that |
03:50:01 | PsycoXul | i wish it played ogg or that i could hook it up as storage for my pda |
03:50:32 | ricII | ogg won't be posible :( |
03:51:52 | ricII | PsycoXul: the archos has a serial port... |
03:52:07 | PsycoXul | yeah |
03:52:25 | PsycoXul | well 20G doesn't do you much good accessing it through 9600bps |
03:52:54 | PsycoXul | my pda can play ogg, divx, mpeg, etc |
03:53:04 | ricII | lucky you.. |
03:53:06 | PsycoXul | but serial port's too slow for that |
03:54:16 | ricII | well my lap can do lot of things (out preforming most) but it not as protable as the archos :( |
03:54:26 | PsycoXul | yeah |
03:54:27 | PsycoXul | heh |
03:55:22 | ricII | it even has a bigger screen then my TV :( (14" tv) |
03:55:29 | PsycoXul | hehe |
03:56:32 | ricII | but I laid my eye on a 22" digital screen :) tv-cards are cheap.. |
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04:01:28 | ricII | my pda still works for me mc218 (formaly known as psion mx5) |
04:01:39 | PsycoXul | heh |
04:02:08 | PsycoXul | mine's a cassiopeia be-300 |
04:02:17 | ricII | 128mb cfcard.. |
04:03:06 | PsycoXul | i've got an 8mb heh |
04:03:13 | PsycoXul | the one that came with my parents' digital camera |
04:03:39 | PsycoXul | i'll probably get a 256mb |
04:03:44 | PsycoXul | or bigger if i get a good deal |
04:04:16 | ricII | stole it from my gf (she has 1g cfdrive for her nikon) |
04:04:25 | PsycoXul | hehe |
04:05:03 | PsycoXul | being able to play divx's, i don't really wanna spend so much money on something <1G |
04:05:28 | PsycoXul | but i gotta remember i only got it for taking notes and having a dictionary and such type of stuff anyway |
04:05:42 | ricII | :) |
04:06:16 | ricII | I use it as timetracking tool / agenda |
04:06:36 | PsycoXul | oh yeah |
04:06:43 | PsycoXul | i use it to remind me of stuff too |
04:06:48 | PsycoXul | heh |
04:06:51 | ricII | i sould be able to email use ir phone etc.. |
04:07:09 | PsycoXul | mine doesn't have ir |
04:07:58 | ricII | superseeded by bluetooth anyways now.. |
04:08:40 | ricII | but I could use it to control the tv (if it had a remote) |
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06:09:58 | Darsh | are there any other programs like Rockbox |
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06:09:59 | Darsh | ? |
06:10:09 | Darsh | (just outtta curisty, very happy with it as is) |
06:11:05 | adi|work | in what sense? |
06:11:18 | adi|work | firmware replacements 4 the archos? |
06:13:18 | Darsh | yeah |
06:15:01 | elinenbe|sleep | adi|work: you know how to use patch? |
06:15:22 | adi|work | a little.. whats up? |
06:15:26 | adi|work | Darsh: not that i know of |
06:15:32 | elinenbe|sleep | adi|work: I know how to use it, but that latest patch on the mailing list, I can not get to use. |
06:15:45 | Darsh | ok thats what i figured |
06:15:45 | elinenbe|sleep | usually it is "patch -p0 -i patch_file" |
06:15:46 | adi|work | ahh.. i don't play with mailing list patches :) |
06:15:47 | Darsh | thanks |
06:15:50 | adi|work | nods |
06:15:54 | adi|work | your welcome darsh |
06:15:54 | elinenbe|sleep | oh... okay |
06:17:15 | elinenbe|sleep | well, I think my retartedness is on. |
06:22:34 | adi|work | of course it is.. your hanging out here :) |
06:22:38 | adi|work | okay.. time to head home |
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06:23:23 | Darsh | adi|work: your a dev? |
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06:29:38 | Guest | Hi I broke my LCD display on a 5000 archos I was wondering if anyone knows a source for a replacment? |
06:30:04 | adi|work | yeah darsh |
06:30:12 | adi|work | im a bit behind on doing anything, but yuppers |
06:30:16 | adi|work | i maintain the FAQ |
06:30:35 | adi|work | and um.. was one of the ppl that made tetris playable |
06:30:42 | adi|work | and several of the icons are mine |
06:30:47 | adi|work | and other minor fixes |
06:30:51 | adi|work | thats about it right now :) |
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06:32:14 | adi|work | hmm |
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06:32:45 | adi|work | fuck it |
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07:09:43 | tantus | hey y'all. anyone awake? |
07:11:53 | adi|home | i am |
07:12:45 | tantus | I think I just answered my question. I couldnt find how to record using rockbox.. but I think I need to download a newer set of files |
07:13:19 | adi|home | what version are you running |
07:13:47 | tantus | 1.4 |
07:14:36 | adi|home | thats why |
07:14:38 | tantus | I was all excited to use the thing at a music session I play in and I couldnt find 'record' heh. |
07:14:50 | adi|home | if you read the release notes on 1.4 you will not see recording listed |
07:14:51 | tantus | will a daily build be safe? |
07:15:03 | adi|home | define 'safe' :) |
07:15:27 | tantus | 'safe enough' |
07:16:00 | adi|home | well.. it shouldn't crash your unit |
07:16:08 | adi|home | but expect some features to be buggy |
07:16:15 | adi|home | rename/delete/record |
07:16:18 | tantus | hm |
07:16:21 | adi|home | namely anything that was/isnt' in 1.4 |
07:16:28 | adi|home | but i use the daily build everyday |
07:16:34 | adi|home | well.. bleeding edge actually |
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07:16:41 | adi|home | <- is a developer :) |
07:17:01 | tantus | hey, you guys have a nice piece of software going, I'm impressed |
07:17:14 | adi|home | thank you |
07:17:19 | adi|home | but there are _alot_ of ppl |
07:17:24 | adi|home | just look at the credits list :) |
07:17:25 | tantus | I saw |
07:17:32 | adi|home | so you saw rockbox on someone else's unit huh? |
07:17:34 | tantus | thats why I said you guys |
07:17:42 | adi|home | :) |
07:17:53 | adi|home | and praise is always accepted btw ;) |
07:17:54 | tantus | adi|home: nope, just ran across the website when I was looking for the linux driver |
07:18:00 | adi|home | lol |
07:18:08 | adi|home | yeah.. that how i got involved at the very starrt |
07:18:19 | adi|home | first month i was dieing to help, but it was all low level device stuff... |
07:18:31 | adi|home | i couldn't do anything till the simulator was working :) |
07:18:54 | adi|home | i take it your on linux? |
07:18:56 | tantus | I would be dying to help, but all I know is hello world in C |
07:18:59 | adi|home | doh.. nm |
07:19:02 | adi|home | tired.. missread |
07:19:11 | adi|home | bah.. thats okay |
07:19:16 | adi|home | you can help with documentation |
07:19:23 | adi|home | or keeping the feature list/bug list clean |
07:19:27 | adi|home | stuff like that |
07:19:34 | adi|home | or just hang here and answer questions |
07:19:40 | adi|home | or submit bug reports |
07:19:48 | adi|home | or send me a beautiful naked blond |
07:19:51 | adi|home | woman that is |
07:19:52 | tantus | I'm going to mess around with it more first, but I'm falling in love with the thing. |
07:20:25 | tantus | heh, the internet is full of porn |
07:21:47 | adi|home | lol |
07:22:04 | adi|home | but there is plenty for non coders to do :)O |
07:22:18 | tantus | I might take you up on that in the future |
07:22:27 | adi|home | just public relations to get more converts is huge :) |
07:23:09 | tantus | a quick question, what brand of laptop harddrive is best for swapping, in terms of shock resistance and so forth? |
07:23:33 | adi|home | that i have no idea about |
07:23:39 | tantus | ahh |
07:23:44 | adi|home | if you want, post it to the maillist that you are looking for suggestions |
07:23:47 | tantus | I want to put a 40 gigger in there :) |
07:23:48 | adi|home | someone is bound to answer |
07:23:51 | adi|home | hehehe |
07:25:46 | tantus | I'll probably be dropping in here from time to time though |
07:28:34 | tantus | another quick question, can you tell battery status when it is plugged into usb? also, does it charge via usb at all? |
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07:47:15 | tantus | hmm, daily builds dont seem to work |
07:48:05 | dwihno | tantus: what target? |
07:48:20 | tantus | ajbrec.ajz |
07:49:09 | tantus | it justs boots to the normal os |
07:50:02 | tantus | 1.4 works though |
07:50:58 | tantus | using the last two daily builds... |
07:51:24 | dwihno | I got a copy of the bleeding edge last night which worked flawlessly, and there has been no changes since. |
07:52:44 | tantus | I think its working now, for some reason. |
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07:53:17 | tantus | or not... |
07:53:28 | tantus | still booting 1.4 |
07:53:43 | tantus | doh |
07:56:07 | dwihno | Make sure the filenames are correct |
07:56:25 | dwihno | Which _must_ be ajbrec.ajz |
07:57:29 | tantus | I did, it's not loading |
07:57:33 | tantus | 1.4 loads fine though |
07:58:01 | tantus | I turned it off, unplugged usb, turned it back on and it boots the original os |
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08:00:24 | dwihno | Try the bleeding edge |
08:00:40 | tantus | ok |
08:01:14 | dwihno | What OS do you use? |
08:01:25 | dwihno | Remember to use the "safe removal of device" thing, if you use Wintendo |
08:02:06 | tantus | I'm a linux user.. |
08:02:33 | dwihno | okay |
08:02:45 | tantus | the file shows as there, but doesnt boot.. |
08:03:25 | dwihno | How did you download the file? |
08:03:34 | tantus | browser |
08:05:55 | dwihno | Did you "save link as" ? |
08:06:07 | tantus | ok, I got it to work for some reason |
08:06:55 | tantus | I was copying as root the first time, other time I copied as a normal user |
08:13:20 | tantus | thanks for the suggestions though |
08:13:35 | dwihno | Whoa. |
08:13:46 | dwihno | How did you mount it? |
08:14:32 | tantus | mounted it as root and copied the file as a normal user |
08:14:52 | tantus | I have it set up in fstab so that any user can access the mount point |
08:19:28 | dwihno | ah, okay. |
08:19:37 | dwihno | Including overwriting? |
08:20:00 | tantus | it should. |
08:20:20 | dwihno | ah |
08:23:00 | adi|home | tantus.. to anwer you questions: no we don't charge via usb |
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08:23:23 | adi|home | and i beleive there that there was recently a status bar added to the usb screen so you can see the battery when on usb |
08:23:42 | tantus | adi|home: I just saw :) got bleeding edge to finally work |
08:24:01 | adi|home | wooo hoo |
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09:11:07 | adi|home | yeah? like what? |
09:21:55 | dwihno | My WPS is bugging |
09:22:09 | dwihno | Moving around makes .mp3 files show the extension after "unselecting" them |
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09:53:33 | quelsaruk | cold morning to all |
09:57:26 | adi|home | morning |
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09:57:57 | quel|out | time to work |
09:58:00 | quel|out | cu! |
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10:11:36 | Bagder | hey |
10:23:08 | matsl | ho |
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10:23:20 | adi|home | bagder did you follow that key lock buisness feature request? |
10:23:36 | Bagder | only slightly |
10:24:13 | adi|home | okay... long and short of it was that it sounded _alot_ like the password protect feature someone wanted long ago, so i rejected it, but didn't close it |
10:25:13 | Zagor | adi|home: on the other hand, people who don't know about the usb access |
10:25:30 | Zagor | might actually be stopped by a Rockbox pin lock |
10:25:44 | adi|home | right, but its a completely useless function |
10:25:56 | adi|home | the argument of 'so i can leave my unit unattended' doesn't stand up |
10:26:06 | adi|home | its not like having to shutdown a laptop and carry it around |
10:26:11 | Zagor | I agree |
10:26:44 | adi|home | i agree with you that they may not know about the usb buisness (or even have the correct cable) |
10:27:06 | Zagor | Bagder: have you made a page about the build status web page yet? I get requests about it every now and then. |
10:27:21 | adi|home | build status? |
10:27:36 | Zagor | yeah, the red/green table |
10:27:48 | Bagder | no, only for the recent-changes-on-cvs stuff |
10:27:55 | adi|home | ahh.. okay... |
10:28:01 | * | adi|home is away: sleep |
10:28:41 | Bagder | Zagor: you may direct them to me, the scripts are really very specific for rockbox and not very general-purpose |
10:28:52 | Zagor | Bagder: ok, i'll forward the mails I get |
10:33:05 | Bagder | btw, I'm voting for a feature-freeze soonish |
10:33:14 | Bagder | we need a 2.0 |
10:33:39 | Zagor | yes |
10:33:52 | Zagor | MT, are you there? |
10:34:26 | Zagor | Bagder: we should just polish the recording GUI a bit. will you have any time for that today? |
10:34:34 | matsl | Zagor: the pin lock you talked about. Is that considered useless? |
10:34:43 | * | dwihno nags about the bugging scroll ;-) |
10:34:53 | Bagder | Zagor: not today, I'll focus on getting some new graphics bugs corrected |
10:35:05 | Bagder | dwihno: you tried the very latest? |
10:35:09 | Bagder | and it still bugs? |
10:35:32 | dwihno | Bagder: I will test, but the CVS changes does not indicate anything that might have fixed the bugginess. |
10:35:36 | dwihno | I'll test however. |
10:35:46 | Bagder | you just don't read the comments good enough ;-) |
10:35:56 | Zagor | dwihno: much is fixed |
10:35:58 | Bagder | and my mail explained reasons |
10:38:11 | Bagder | although some new bugs appeared ;-/ |
10:39:16 | Zagor | dwihno: the twiching was probably a double-scroll. and those are fixed. |
10:39:16 | Zagor | hehe |
10:39:28 | adi|home | matsl no i did |
10:39:45 | adi|home | zagor didn't say what he thought about it ;) |
10:40:15 | Bagder | Zagor: I believe that the fact that lcd_stop_scroll() previously refreshed the screen and now it doesn't, make some errors appear that was hidden before |
10:40:46 | Zagor | Bagder: do you plan to fix the frequent status/clock update? |
10:41:06 | Bagder | yes, but first I'll correct the normal browsing bugs |
10:41:31 | Bagder | just walking up and down in the dir browser bugs |
10:41:42 | Zagor | ouch |
10:43:06 | matsl | adi|home: Just by describing it as a pin lock indicated to me that it might infact not be considered useless. |
10:43:32 | adi|home | right.. but how do you 'lock |
10:43:40 | adi|home | a unti that can 'walk away' easily?> |
10:43:48 | adi|home | i just don't get the point of it |
10:44:23 | adi|home | hmmm make for bleeding edge |
10:44:27 | dwihno | Zagor: First bug. I choose show files: music in F2. After "unselecting" a file, the old selection will also show file extension |
10:44:38 | adi|home | we really need to stop it from running through the dependancies when you run make clean |
10:44:41 | adi|home | seems pointless |
10:45:29 | Bagder | I agree ;-) |
10:45:49 | adi|home | im just not sure how to prevent it from being called |
10:47:14 | matsl | adi|home: a pin lock wouldn't protect agains theft but it would protect you from your 5 year old that just seen how to turn the unit on from doing bad things to it. That sort of protection. |
10:47:53 | Schnueff | failed to enter pin resulting in 'read-only mode' could also be nice |
10:48:14 | Schnueff | so you can take the thing to a party and avoid people deleting something |
10:48:26 | adi|home | id be more worried about a 5 year old dropping or breaking the unit then deleting files |
10:48:39 | adi|home | but... ill fall back on the old 'show me the code' |
10:48:39 | adi|home | :) |
10:49:44 | dwihno | Zagor: acknowlegde, s'il vous plait |
10:50:19 | matsl | adi|home: I was more thinking in terms of rejecting it not because is is "useless" but "not that usefull" ;-) |
10:50:29 | adi|home | hehehe |
10:50:53 | adi|home | i refuse to be a packrat |
10:51:08 | adi|home | anything not of immediate use or importance is best ignored ;) |
10:51:31 | adi|home | which would explain why my gf is always mad at me when its kernel compile time |
10:51:47 | Schnueff | never touch a rocking system :) |
10:53:41 | Zagor | dwihno: ACK |
10:54:02 | Zagor | looks pretty funny :-) |
10:54:41 | Zagor | btw, on returning from the filter selection the cursor should stay on the same file. as it does when renaming/deleting |
10:55:08 | dwihno | Zagor: My WPS also looks funny, I'll try checking some more |
10:55:24 | Zagor | it does? my wps looks good |
10:57:24 | Bagder | that dir browser thing is my fault |
10:57:25 | dwihno | It glitches (well, it glitched last night) |
10:57:38 | dwihno | whoa! |
10:57:41 | dwihno | Blinking scroll! :D |
10:58:04 | dwihno | it should display (root) |
10:58:42 | dwihno | Instead, it scrolls the current pwd (blinking) |
10:58:48 | dwihno | It's a conditional WPS |
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11:00:02 | dwihno | Want a copy |
11:00:03 | dwihno | ? |
11:00:30 | dwihno | It used to work perfectly earler (but with the twitching) |
11:02:28 | Zagor | talk to bagder, he's fixing the display code |
11:03:25 | Bagder | and I say hold your horses, fixes are pending |
11:03:35 | * | Zagor is holding his horse |
11:04:48 | Bagder | I vote for removal of that newline-on-semicolon stuff from rockbox-style.el |
11:04:58 | Bagder | it annoys me a lot |
11:05:12 | Zagor | whoa, me too. even though I've never even tried it. :-) |
11:05:41 | Schnueff | good for for(;;) ? :) |
11:06:20 | dwihno | Hold your horses tonight (E-type) :-) |
11:06:31 | Bagder | matsl: what is it that makes that behavior? |
11:06:35 | dwihno | Zagor: E-type will go to Skellefteå in february! |
11:06:45 | Zagor | dwihno: fun for him :-) |
11:07:16 | dwihno | :-) |
11:07:26 | matsl | Bagder: whops. Don't you like Emacs editing for you ;-) |
11:07:35 | Bagder | nopes ;-) |
11:08:14 | matsl | Bagder: I guess you don't like the auto-hungry and clean-up things then. |
11:08:46 | Bagder | what do they do? |
11:08:52 | matsl | Bagder: I kept them just to see what you'd think of it. |
11:09:00 | matsl | Bagder: auto hungry? |
11:09:19 | Bagder | ah, is that the newline thingie? |
11:10:33 | matsl | Bagder: well there are many things that I have activated. I'm not completely sure about the names. I'll have too check some Emacs docs use the right terms. |
11:10:50 | matsl | 'to use' |
11:11:27 | dwihno | auto hungry :) |
11:11:31 | * | dwihno is auto hungry |
11:12:15 | Bagder | gah |
11:12:19 | Bagder | now I know what you mean |
11:12:22 | Bagder | its terrible |
11:12:42 | Bagder | when I write 'else {' on a line below the '}', it MOVES the else to the previous line |
11:12:49 | Bagder | uuuuuuh |
11:13:02 | * | Bagder is a whiner |
11:13:27 | matsl | ok. there are two things. auto and hungry. auto does things automatic. hungry deletes a little bit more than the next space. (Intelligently ;-) |
11:14:34 | matsl | Bagder: see the comment " We like auto-newline and hungry-delete" in rockbox-style.el |
11:14:35 | dwihno | Haha |
11:14:41 | dwihno | Hungry delete! :-) |
11:14:52 | dwihno | Emacs will do the editing for you :) |
11:15:33 | matsl | Bagder: the cleanups do things like line up "} else {" if on multiple lines. |
11:15:46 | Bagder | and dislike that style ;-) |
11:15:55 | Zagor | matsl: "} else { " is just plain wrong |
11:16:26 | Zagor | or at least I don't like it ;-) |
11:17:05 | Zagor | it tends to suggest the use of "} else if (x) {" which *is* plain wrong |
11:17:10 | matsl | Bagder: I's easy to fix. Just comment out a few lines if that is what you feel like. (I just wanted to show you what I like ;-) |
11:17:38 | Bagder | I tried to c-toggle-auto-hungry-state in my buffer but I couldn't see any change ? |
11:17:43 | Zagor | dwihno: now I see the blinking scroll too |
11:17:52 | Bagder | I'll test around |
11:17:59 | matsl | Zagor: Not always but don't start a formating war. |
11:18:23 | Zagor | matsl: else and if on the same line *is* wrong. it corrupts indentation |
11:18:27 | matsl | Bagder: Are you sure. |
11:18:48 | Zagor | makes consecutive ifs look like a switch |
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11:19:07 | matsl | Zagor: I can show you a case when I like it. But should we take it here? |
11:19:11 | Zagor | it should be "} else { if (x) {" |
11:19:23 | Zagor | in which case you can see why it shouldn't be on the same line |
11:19:45 | matsl | Zagor: OK. You asked for it. Not if it is case switch. |
11:19:56 | Zagor | "this parrot is dead. Noooo, he's pining!" |
11:20:16 | * | Zagor reached a Python scetch in The Big Shuffle |
11:20:32 | dwihno | Zagor: Funky, huh? :-) |
11:20:47 | dwihno | Yay for blinking scrollers :D |
11:20:52 | Zagor | matsl case != else |
11:21:51 | Zagor | matsl: that's my point exactly. cases should be right under each other precisely to indicate they are separated. if/else should indent progressively to indicate you are actually executing all of them to reach a certain segment of code |
11:21:54 | matsl | sometimes you would like to use a case but you can't because ot the expression involved. Then else if is good. |
11:22:16 | Zagor | but wrong. it hides the true nature of the code |
11:23:00 | * | matsl stryck by a "true nature" argument |
11:23:14 | * | matsl struck by a "true nature" argument |
11:23:21 | Zagor | don't suppress the code's free will! ;) |
11:23:39 | matsl | YMMW, ha! |
11:23:39 | Zagor | s/true nature/actual call sequence/ |
11:25:01 | matsl | Zagor: too much C coding. Never have side effects in a test! |
11:25:31 | Zagor | ? |
11:26:29 | matsl | Zagor: Shall we get back to business? I'll check in a new rockbox-style.el with the fancy auto stuff removed. ok? |
11:26:46 | Bagder | yes please |
11:26:50 | Bagder | it makes things much better! |
11:27:04 | Zagor | go go go :-) |
11:27:39 | matsl | Bagder: I'll even remove it completely so that no one ever will by mistake learn that the features are there! |
11:27:55 | Bagder | hehehe |
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11:29:40 | matsl | Bagder: rockbox-style.el updated. Try it. |
11:30:14 | matsl | Zagor: I would like to remove all use of rockbox-mode.el in firmware. ok? |
11:30:50 | Bagder | go go go ;-) |
11:32:19 | matsl | It will cause a lot of files to be edited. |
11:32:41 | matsl | But it would probably not create many conflicts. |
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11:58:58 | Bagder | dir browser fixed now |
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12:05:05 | matsl | Bagder: Any policy about deleteing files. (I'm about to delete rockbox-mode.el from CVS) |
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12:05:55 | matsl | Zagor: Any policy about deleteing files. (I'm about to delete rockbox-mode.el from CVS) |
12:05:59 | Bagder | not really, just delete it |
12:06:07 | Zagor | kill kill kill :) |
12:06:12 | matsl | just as I thought! |
12:06:20 | Bagder | isn't chanserv really weird today |
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12:33:14 | adi|home | hehe i got my snow hack to work :) |
12:33:26 | adi|home | we can now increase and decrease the amount of snow falling :) |
12:35:20 | Zagor | oooh, i've really been waiting for that :*) |
12:35:30 | adi|home | don't make me hit you :) |
12:35:43 | adi|home | im just happy to have my usb and cross compiler and box in general working :) |
12:35:50 | adi|home | i need to get back into the swing of things |
12:37:04 | adi|home | hehehe funny to see 2 flakes on the screen |
12:37:12 | adi|home | cause god knows this room is full of them |
12:37:19 | * | adi|home grins and heads off to bed |
12:38:15 | * | Bagder throws a pillow after adi|home |
12:39:38 | * | Bagder runs for lunch |
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13:22:24 | Zagor | yup |
13:22:29 | holger | lol |
13:23:02 | holger | i just tried a little bit to implement "remote works if keyboard is locked" |
13:23:21 | holger | but its a mess in the sources.... :-) |
13:23:33 | langhaarrocker | something strange happened: I left home without my jukebox. |
13:24:02 | kargatron | that's just twisted |
13:24:17 | Zagor | holger: yes, we need to make a redesign in wps.c. that's why it hasn't been done yet. |
13:24:28 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: are you nuts!? ;) |
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13:24:46 | kargatron | game over, man - just kill yourself, langhaarrocker |
13:24:50 | langhaarrocker | nuts. I actually do have nuts in my pocket! |
13:25:31 | kargatron | crazies like langhaarrocker can't hear the jb over the voices in their head anyway |
13:26:07 | langhaarrocker | Here you see an advantage of irc -> no inteference with internal voices :) |
13:27:03 | holger | hmmm. Zagor, my simple idea was to add a flag into the queue-pushing that indicates, where the key comes from.. |
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13:28:55 | internal_voice | langhaarrocker: whoaohahaha |
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13:31:05 | Zagor | holger: that is the easy part |
13:32:16 | langhaarrocker | I hope there's nothing going on about reprogramming all the switch(button) thingies? |
13:32:26 | Zagor | no |
13:33:53 | langhaarrocker | Just because that would become a hell of a job which would become necessary when going user definable key schemes... |
13:35:05 | tantus | filling this thing up at usb1.1 speed is an arduous task, especially when half the collection is on CD |
13:35:07 | Zagor | yeah, but key schemes means a lot more work than just the button switches |
13:35:47 | kargatron | can we skip key schemes and go right to mind-jacks? |
13:35:50 | langhaarrocker | The rest of the work I have done by 85,4% already. Just need some time and some help with makefiles... |
13:36:37 | kargatron | langhaarrocker, is that percentage verified by an objective external source? :) |
13:36:53 | langhaarrocker | no, only by my internal voices |
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13:38:02 | langhaarrocker | see? :) |
13:38:57 | Zagor | langhaarrocker: how do you deal with 3 players in wormlet? |
13:39:40 | langhaarrocker | two players have two buttons on the jukebox and the third one has the remote. I don't have a remote -> its untested. |
13:40:18 | Zagor | ah, right you only need two buttons. |
13:41:06 | langhaarrocker | yes |
13:41:25 | kargatron | seems a bit crowded |
13:42:15 | langhaarrocker | Tell that my internal voices. It's them who crowd me. Probably because I am a 'Kraut'... |
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14:50:22 | Peter99 | Hi there |
14:50:40 | Peter99 | Is it possible to delete files with rockbox? |
14:50:46 | Bagder | yes |
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14:53:02 | Peter99 | Damned netscape crashed |
14:53:39 | Peter99 | So how do I delete files? |
14:54:08 | Bagder | what model do you have? |
14:54:15 | Peter99 | recorder |
14:54:23 | Bagder | on+play |
14:54:26 | Bagder | in the dir browser |
14:54:43 | Peter99 | cool. Is renaming also possible? |
14:54:47 | Bagder | yes |
14:54:59 | Peter99 | How does that work ;-) |
14:55:02 | Bagder | but don't try to delete or rename a directory just yet ;-) |
14:55:18 | Peter99 | ok |
14:55:29 | Bagder | people report bugs on those functions |
14:56:14 | Peter99 | Could you tell me how I rename files? |
14:56:39 | Bagder | try it and you'll learn |
14:57:53 | dwihno | Haha |
14:57:57 | dwihno | Rename all your dirs. |
14:58:02 | dwihno | Then blame Zagor ;) |
14:58:17 | Peter99 | Cool it works just fine! |
14:58:25 | Peter99 | Thanks for your help! |
14:58:50 | Bagder | you're welcome |
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14:59:44 | dwihno | Bagder: renaming/deleting dirs should be disabled for now, imho. |
14:59:57 | dwihno | Bagder: how about using really long file names? |
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15:00:06 | dwihno | Bagder: no risk of any winkyness? |
15:00:25 | Bagder | try it and tell us :-) |
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15:01:22 | adi|home | hey Bagder... why did we change the keycode to accepted, but the request of a password from a few months back was reject. seems kinda, um.. arbitrary don't it? |
15:01:48 | Bagder | blame it on zagor |
15:04:29 | adi|home | will do :) |
15:05:31 | dwihno | :-) |
15:06:15 | dwihno | Bagder: any idea what causes the scroll flickering? |
15:06:24 | Bagder | not anymore, no |
15:06:38 | Bagder | but the wps code needs an audit and cleanup |
15:06:57 | adi|home | my guesss would be a quick turning on and off of pixels |
15:07:04 | adi|home | but thats just a guess |
15:07:05 | * | adi|home ducks |
15:07:09 | * | adi|home heads back to bed |
15:07:58 | dwihno | Bagder: For that, we need: 2 nuns, a tube of toothpaste and a screwdriver! |
15:09:04 | Bagder | I'll probably have a go at it next week |
15:09:12 | adi|home | personnally.. i think bloody mary would have been more appropriate then a screwdrive ;) |
15:15:30 | dwihno | adi|home: hehe, bloody mary jane :D |
15:15:40 | dwihno | A little question. Do you guys think the flash-mod will be possible? |
15:15:46 | * | dwihno is not much of a hardware junkie |
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15:24:12 | dwihno | Welcome, xam! |
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15:24:39 | Zagor | flash-mod? |
15:25:40 | void | does archos play wma files? |
15:26:46 | Bagder | void: no |
15:27:05 | xam | hi |
15:28:02 | dwihno | Zagor: Yeah, attaching some kind of ata-flash thing and use it as a buffer. |
15:28:21 | dwihno | Although reading 128 megs of mpeg data might be inoptimal :-) |
15:29:04 | Zagor | ah. sure, it could work. i don't think you'll gain very much though. |
15:29:37 | dwihno | Zagor: how about Uwe's experience with the 8meg mod? |
15:30:39 | xam | finally got the 2100mAh batteries this week |
15:31:57 | Zagor | dwihno: well it's pretty much what was expected. 4x the RAM only makes 1.3 times the run time. so 2MB was a good balance. |
15:34:34 | adi|home | void.. please read the FAQ |
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15:37:29 | xam | strange enough it seems that the 2100 recharge faster than the standard 1500mAh my Archos Recorder 20 came with |
15:41:33 | dwihno | Zagor: 1.3 times is not "only", imho :-) Higher mA rated batteries + 8m mod = lots of playing time! :) |
15:43:11 | xam | it's says (when fully charged) I have 14h30m running time ... but I haven't tried using it until the batteries are empty |
15:44:23 | xam | what are the average kBit/s you are using for the calulaction? |
15:44:34 | xam | calculation ;) |
15:44:35 | Schnueff | 192 i think |
15:45:06 | Schnueff | uwe wrote it in one mail |
15:45:24 | dwihno | Ya, I think it's 192. |
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15:47:34 | xam | oh, yes, I found the email. I'm not substribed to the mailing list, so I had to search the archive. I finally found it ... |
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15:47:59 | Schnueff | glad u didnt search for your whole life |
15:48:03 | Schnueff | :) |
15:48:21 | Zagor | dwihno: you want long run time? route the MAS demand and the buttons irq to nmi input and put the CPU in STANDBY mode. 20uA lasts a long time... |
15:48:49 | xam | Zagor is that feasable? |
15:49:03 | Zagor | xam: something like it could be done, yes |
15:49:14 | Zagor | maybe not exactly those pins |
15:49:23 | dwihno | Zagor: I can do that while listening to "E-type - Africa" under water ;) |
15:49:28 | xam | Zagor I mean, why didn't Archos try that? |
15:49:50 | Zagor | xam: afaik they don't use sleep mode either |
15:49:59 | xam | sorry - AFK - coffee break |
15:50:11 | xam | Zagor that's a little bit stupid from them :-/ |
15:50:19 | xam | okay, see you in 20mins |
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16:00:39 | ricII | howmuch does sh1 cpu use anyways ? |
16:01:02 | Bagder | 60mA at 12MHz average use |
16:02:16 | ricII | thats a lot, a mod would make sence.. |
16:04:12 | ricII | quick caculation (1500/1500-10h*60ma) 1/3 off the power goes to the cpu. |
16:05:32 | Zagor | at least |
16:08:11 | ricII | room for improvement :) |
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16:13:57 | elinenbe | quick question: maybe someone here can help me. how come no matter what I do, I am unable to apply this patch? https://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=44306&atid=439120&file_id=40505&aid=625487 |
16:15:30 | ricII | howmuch does the (idle) ram use, maybe just go standby instead of powerdown? |
16:16:17 | Zagor | ricII: i don't know. check the data sheets |
16:19:50 | Nibbler | elinenbe: i was able to patch this one by "patch -p0 < thispatch" but had to do it in the apps/ folder |
16:20:52 | elinenbe | hmmm.... I tried that, but I will try it again. |
16:21:02 | elinenbe | I am pathing it over lat night's CVS. |
16:22:01 | elinenbe | Nibbler: worked fine. I must be retarted :) |
16:22:02 | Nibbler | i just got latest CVS for testing this... |
16:22:04 | Nibbler | :) |
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16:23:55 | elinenbe | Nibbler: I get errors while compiling screens.c −− I will have to go through the whole thing. |
16:24:33 | ricII | howmuch does the (idle) ram use, maybe just go standby instead of powerdown?qq |
16:24:35 | Nibbler | did not try to compile yet, just appied the patch :) |
16:24:44 | ricII | ehh sorry work term.. |
16:25:05 | Nibbler | get screens.c:467: parse error at end of input when i try to build it |
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16:27:25 | electrona | hello... |
16:28:15 | electrona | I got my player a week ago and now I'm trying to play around with the firmware |
16:28:37 | electrona | I already compiled one and did some tests |
16:29:15 | electrona | but I can't get the UI-simulator compiled |
16:29:58 | Bagder | on windows? |
16:30:01 | electrona | since I did this stuff at work and haven't got VC++ on my home-pc - can someone send me the compiled exe (win32) |
16:30:04 | electrona | yes |
16:30:15 | Bagder | it is in a sorry state on windows |
16:30:26 | electrona | sorry state? |
16:30:39 | Bagder | yeah, there aren't any windows coders who make sure it compiles and runs fine |
16:30:57 | Bagder | so as time passes by, it grows worse and worse |
16:30:58 | electrona | I have found a link to a compiled exe but it was dead :( |
16:31:16 | Bagder | that's so old anyway |
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16:33:21 | electrona | ok maybe I try to do some research... |
16:33:41 | electrona | thought it would be the easiest was if someone got it compiled already... |
16:33:49 | electrona | thanks anyway... |
16:35:21 | Bagder | I only know of one person who compiles it on windows |
16:35:41 | dwihno | edx ? |
16:35:44 | Bagder | yes |
16:36:53 | electrona | do you have an email-address or can give him mine? |
16:37:12 | Nibbler | the windows-simulator does load the firmware as a file also? |
16:37:16 | Bagder | no |
16:37:21 | Nibbler | thought so :( |
16:37:31 | dwihno | electrona: he's on the mailing list, look for Felix Arends |
16:37:36 | electrona | thanks |
16:37:43 | Bagder | the simulator is a program that acts like rockbox when it runs |
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16:38:00 | Nibbler | but cant load .ajb files eh? |
16:38:02 | Bagder | by simulating most of the lowlevel APIs |
16:38:11 | Bagder | no, its not an Archos simulator |
16:38:29 | Nibbler | ah ok, i get it |
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16:43:35 | quelsaruk | hi |
16:43:44 | langhaarrocker | the 'recent cvs activity' on the rockbox page seems to blink. Is that still due to cvs problems? |
16:44:07 | langhaarrocker | (blink = sometimes it's there, sometimes not) |
16:47:08 | Bagder | yes, that's why |
16:49:14 | langhaarrocker | :( |
16:49:56 | dwihno | :~~( |
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16:57:35 | xam | one question: is the sleep patch already in the CVS and - more importantly - it's in the automatically generated CVS build (bleeding edge builds)? |
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16:59:07 | electrona | do you mean sleep-timer? |
16:59:09 | dwihno | xam: good question. check the changelogs from the latest daily builds. |
16:59:18 | dwihno | electrona: nah, sleep patch. CPU sleep mode |
16:59:28 | electrona | oh |
16:59:41 | dwihno | Unless I misinterpreted. |
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17:01:04 | quelsaruk | dwihno: i interpreted the same as u |
17:01:16 | electrona | I have a question on the lcd in the player |
17:01:26 | quelsaruk | but don't know the answer |
17:01:28 | Bagder | its not in CVS yet |
17:01:37 | electrona | how did you know that? |
17:01:41 | xam | dwihno I don't see it in the changelog, but I saw a message of UWE talking about the current CVS version ... ah here it is ... sorry I misinterpreted UWE's mail |
17:01:43 | Bagder | I read the commit mails |
17:01:56 | dwihno | Bagder: any special reasons? |
17:02:09 | xam | dwihno it seems it's really not yet in the CVS |
17:02:16 | Bagder | both yes and no |
17:02:23 | dwihno | Bagder: I'm all ears :-) |
17:02:28 | dwihno | Ears and nose |
17:02:35 | Bagder | yes, because this method was turned down months ago when I suggested it |
17:03:10 | dwihno | So what kind of power saving things are ment to be included? |
17:03:20 | electrona | the character for the progress-bar is set in the get_tag-function as "\x01" - is this interpeted by the lcd_puts-procedure or is this a special c-syntax for a single character? |
17:03:24 | Bagder | no, it does save power so its a good thing |
17:03:38 | elinenbe | Bagder: how come the new cpu sleep is not in the CVS yet? I measured a savings of about 15mA here. |
17:04:08 | Bagder | basicly because no one has read through his patch and given it OK |
17:04:18 | xam | Bagder I vote for including it into CVS APAS ;) |
17:04:21 | xam | ASAP |
17:04:26 | Bagder | have you read the code? |
17:04:40 | xam | badger ... after it is cleaned up of course ;) |
17:04:50 | Bagder | hehe |
17:04:54 | xam | bagder lol |
17:05:00 | Bagder | that's basicly what I think as well |
17:05:20 | dwihno | How much will 15mA give in, let's say - one charge? |
17:05:41 | Bagder | possibly ~10% longer playtime |
17:06:00 | dwihno | Whoa. |
17:06:21 | dwihno | What is left to be done to decrease the power usage? |
17:06:36 | Bagder | doing it better |
17:06:38 | quelsaruk | thats great |
17:08:55 | xam | bagder well, the patch looks simple enough (with the led crap removed) |
17:09:27 | Bagder | how does it look on a multi-line scrolling wps? |
17:10:41 | xam | bagder don't have set up a cross compiling environment here. I could test the compiled file on my recorder20 though ... |
17:12:24 | dwihno | I'm gone for the weekend. Have a good one guys. |
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17:12:46 | xam | slan |
17:12:50 | xam | mhh, too late |
17:17:06 | Bagder | I'm off as well |
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17:24:44 | elinenbe | me too! |
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17:58:40 | quelsaruk | yupiii |
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18:35:58 | quelsaruk | umm |
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18:36:46 | quelsaruk | hardeep: do u have a recorder rockbox with the *SLEEP* patch? |
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18:37:11 | quelsaruk | i can't patch it here, and seems to be interesting enough |
18:37:13 | quelsaruk | :) |
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18:46:55 | hardeep | quelsaruk: i haven't tried that patch |
18:47:17 | quel|out | seems to save nearly a 10% of batteries |
18:47:58 | quel|out | :) |
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20:02:32 | quel|out | has anyone a compiled recorder firmware with the "SLEEP" patch? |
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21:29:29 | quel|out | time to go! |
21:29:34 | quel|out | have a good weekend |
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21:30:18 | elinenbe | hello everyone |
21:30:22 | elinenbe | ricII: you here? |
21:30:40 | ricII | yep |
21:30:48 | ricII | trouble ? |
21:31:12 | elinenbe | ricII: I have been playing with it all day today commuting and at work, and everything seems great so far. |
21:31:23 | elinenbe | ricII: any new improvments? |
21:31:44 | ricII | no, just started 'task rockbox' |
21:31:59 | elinenbe | ricII: the delay of loading a large directory hardly bothers me because of the great features. |
21:32:50 | elinenbe | however there seems to be some feature problems with rockbox the way it currently stands. |
21:33:00 | ricII | for the moment I keep the savesettings() there to be on the save side |
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21:33:27 | elinenbe | some great new features are being added (along with your's) but there seems to be a need to reorganize all the options. |
21:33:37 | elinenbe | the quick menus, file editing, etc. |
21:33:53 | ricII | anything related to playlist code ? |
21:33:58 | elinenbe | no :) |
21:35:00 | ricII | so, if I fix the shuffle modes it ready for production |
21:35:43 | elinenbe | well, it would be nice to load the current stuff into ram before writing to disk. |
21:36:29 | ricII | there are a lot of other optimizations posible aswell. |
21:36:56 | elinenbe | that is something that may concern the average user. |
21:37:34 | ricII | you try the resume function ? |
21:37:52 | elinenbe | no, I did not. |
21:37:57 | elinenbe | I can now though |
21:41:15 | ricII | if you get 'corrupted patchfile, offset: xxxxx' something changed rtc, or I do something wrong (or you fiddled with .playlist_patches) |
21:43:20 | elinenbe | ricII: so are you just finishing up shuffle? |
21:44:03 | ricII | yes, but I'm having some problems there, |
21:45:31 | ricII | specificly with midplay list shuffle & unshuffle (sorting) in combination with resume.. |
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21:46:26 | nazeman | hello |
21:46:41 | elinenbe | hardeep is the person who couldhelp you the best with that |
21:47:23 | ricII | it's also a matter of concept... |
21:47:30 | elinenbe | yeah. |
21:47:35 | elinenbe | It gets confusing. :) |
21:47:39 | ricII | append is easy.. |
21:48:01 | nazeman | I have the build for FM, work great, very thanks but only with power (adaptor) |
21:48:19 | elinenbe | nazeman: sounds good. |
21:49:23 | ricII | confusing gets insert while shuffled, where sould the inserted file endup after sort (unshuffle) |
21:51:06 | nazeman | is the problem with power know ? or is a bug fix release asap ? (sorry my english is poor) |
21:51:40 | ricII | power problem? fm specific? |
21:53:32 | nazeman | only with battery, i have the rockbox logo and power off. |
21:53:47 | ricII | souldn't unshuffle (sort) restore what shuffle did.. (and how could I do that in every situation..) |
21:54:18 | elinenbe | ricII: yeah −− I think it should |
21:54:20 | ricII | nazeman: I don't have a FM, so can't help you here.. |
21:56:00 | nazeman | ri have read in the mailling list that it know (many user the same problem) |
21:56:10 | ricII | so where does one insert when in shuffle mode (at the begining, end before appends ....) |
21:59:41 | ricII | nazeman: probely a little to low-level for me (now) |
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22:00:19 | elinenbe | ricII: I think an insert in shuffle should inster right after what you are listening to. |
22:00:29 | elinenbe | for instance you have songs 1,2,3,4,5 |
22:00:31 | elinenbe | you shuffle |
22:00:37 | elinenbe | now you have 2,4,5,3,1 |
22:00:42 | elinenbe | you are listening to 5 |
22:00:48 | elinenbe | and insert 6,7 |
22:00:57 | elinenbe | then you have 2,4,5,6,7,3,1 |
22:01:13 | elinenbe | ah!!! now what to do if you unshuffle? |
22:01:46 | ricII | so the "sorting" sould see following inserts as 1 block.. |
22:03:54 | elinenbe | if you unshuffle, I think the sorting should see 5,6,7 as a block |
22:04:07 | elinenbe | after you listened to 5, you wanted to listen to 6 and then 7 |
22:04:13 | elinenbe | they should stay together |
22:07:08 | ricII | can do that (I think) |
22:09:40 | ricII | maybe I sould redefine shuffling... |
22:09:52 | elinenbe | maybe... |
22:11:08 | ricII | now shuffle realy messesup the indices order on which I depend with my patchfile & resume.. |
22:16:04 | ricII | but since it not real random (given the seed) .... |
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22:25:33 | ricII | but what if say 1,2,3,4,5 insert 6,7 after 3 (giving 1,2,3,6,7,4,5) shuffle on 7 producing 5,2,4,3,6,1,7 and start inserting 8,9 after now 4 .. |
22:26:36 | ricII | producing 5,2,4,8,9,3,1,7 ... try unshufling that... |
22:27:02 | ricII | ops forgot our 6 |
22:27:49 | ricII | 5,2,4,8,9,3,6,1,7 hmm |
22:31:14 | ricII | remember this is still desired behavoir, implementing it sucsesfuly is a differnt piece of cake.. |
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