#rockbox 2003-03-06

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#rockbox log for 2003-03-06

00:00:08	Bagder	hi
00:00:18	Bagder	you boxrocker
00:00:32	*	TBoy giggles
00:00:55	TBoy	just tryin out the irc client on trillie
00:01:41	TBoy	anything new or cool happened
00:02:28	*	Bagder knows nothing new
00:02:46	TBoy	well
00:03:19	TBoy	will we be seeing some inside pictures of the FM
00:03:58	TBoy	from Linus that is
00:04:13	Bagder	he said he'd take photos of it
00:04:33	TBoy	was that a question or a statement
00:04:47	*	TBoy is curious
00:04:52	Bagder	that's a statement, he told me he'd do it
00:04:57	TBoy	ok good
00:05:35	TBoy	so how far is v2.0
00:06:12	Bagder	beyond the corner
00:07:26	TBoy	how fast are you traveling, how long will it take you guys,approximatly, to get around the corner
00:07:40	Bagder	I won't guess
00:08:42	TBoy	ok well
00:08:50	MT	2.0 is sort of here in the cvs builds ..
00:08:57	MT	enjoy that for the time being
00:09:02	TBoy	I know
00:09:34	TBoy	I was about to say that
00:10:17	Bagder	and even the very day we release 2.0, the daily will have more features and work better :-)
00:11:03	TBoy	so has joaquim, cut his build in peaces for you/us
00:11:17	Bagder	nope
00:11:39	Bagder	uh
00:11:50	Bagder	my status bar is gone in my recorder sim build...
00:12:18	*	TBoy is gettin tired
00:12:29	*	Bagder is a sorry person and withdraws his last statement
00:12:55	TBoy	so I think I'll hit the stables
00:13:00	TBoy	see ya tomorrow
00:13:17	Bagder	see ya
00:13:23	TBoy	and hopefully I will finally recieve my first archos
00:13:27	TBoy	yeah
00:13:41	bronson	Thanks for the help, Badger. Gotta run...
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00:13:55	TBoy	bye
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00:18:11	adi\|work	FAQ updated to be a little more stupid ppl correct
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00:24:27	Bagder	I ran a spell check on it ;-)
00:26:10	Bagder	see ya
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01:27:59	tracktheripper	Hello
01:28:00	tracktheripper	all
01:28:06	LinusN	yo
01:28:11	tracktheripper	hey Linus
01:28:14	tracktheripper	how are ya?
01:28:25	LinusN	tired
01:28:30	tracktheripper	awwwwww
01:28:44	tracktheripper	go to bed then
01:28:46	tracktheripper	!
01:29:15	LinusN	don't feel like it
01:29:21	tracktheripper	heehee
01:29:51	tracktheripper	well get version 2.0 out soon :-)
01:30:10	LinusN	working on it
01:30:25	tracktheripper	:)
01:30:42	tracktheripper	<−−−− wonderes if there will be a version 3 in the future after version 2
01:31:05	LinusN	version 3 usually comes after version 2
01:31:13	tracktheripper	:)
01:31:44	tracktheripper	Couldnt the character cells on the Player be Inverted like the entire screen on the Recorder?
01:32:01	LinusN	as fas as i know, no
01:32:18	tracktheripper	well they are dot-matrix, character cells
01:34:00	*	LinusN reads the data sheets
01:39:19	LinusN	i can't find anything about lcd invert in those sheets
01:40:58	tracktheripper	lol just wondered
01:43:40	tracktheripper	It must be hard navigating your way round on the Player with that crap LCD
01:45:17	LinusN	indeed
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01:48:09	tracktheripper	Its just that all there is, is 2 x lines of 11 character cells that are huge, How the hell do they show ID3 tags?
01:48:28	LinusN	scrolling
01:48:56	tracktheripper	yea but there is a limit on the Archos firmware that only allows 32 characters?
01:49:11	LinusN	i'm talking about rockbox
01:49:17	tracktheripper	oh right
01:49:20	tracktheripper	fair enough
01:50:25	tracktheripper	I wonder what made Archos radically re-design the screen for the Recorder, which is obviously much better being entirely dot-matric
01:50:27	tracktheripper	matrix
01:51:16	LinusN	i guess all the reasons you just mentioned
01:51:47	tracktheripper	hmm posibbily
01:52:10	tracktheripper	Can Rockbox read .doc files as well as .txt files?
01:52:14	LinusN	i just created my first recording with Xing-header
01:52:25	tracktheripper	whats Xing-header?
01:52:28	LinusN	tracktheripper: .doc-files? Word-files? Of course not!
01:52:36	tracktheripper	why not?
01:52:52	LinusN	it's a huge, evil, proprietary format
01:52:58	tracktheripper	oh ok
01:53:04	tracktheripper	is .txt just plain ASCII
01:53:13	LinusN	and why? it's an mp3 player! :-)
01:53:22	tracktheripper	grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
01:53:23	LinusN	ascii is easy
01:53:23	Jet8810	lol
01:53:31	tracktheripper	((gives Linus a slap))
01:53:38	LinusN	ouch
01:53:46	tracktheripper	heehee :)
01:54:01	LinusN	xing-header==vbr header
01:54:24	tracktheripper	ohhhhhh
01:54:46	tracktheripper	What about adding individual songs to playlist?
01:55:04	LinusN	some day someone might write some code for it
01:55:35	tracktheripper	lol
01:55:51	tracktheripper	Linus no-one will let me forget that request I sent last year!!
01:56:25	LinusN	fm radio on plain recorders?
01:56:33	tracktheripper	I never sent that!!!
01:57:10	Jet8810	lol...
01:57:25	tracktheripper	it was the "Auto Voice Transcribe"
01:57:26	tracktheripper	heehee
01:57:29	LinusN	ah
01:57:46	tracktheripper	No-one lets me forget that
01:58:12	LinusN	i do, i didn't even remember it myself :-)
01:58:23	Jet8810	lol
01:58:30	tracktheripper	:)
01:58:51	tracktheripper	well there is a way you can make a playlist of individual songs in Rockbox
01:58:59	Jet8810	queeing
01:59:04	Jet8810	queueing rather
01:59:09	Jet8810	but I wanna save em as playlists :)
01:59:22	tracktheripper	ILL tell you how to do that Jet
01:59:29	tracktheripper	you can save as playlist
01:59:45	Jet8810	how?
01:59:52	TrueDis_work	i was wondering about the resume in 1.4 and its status in 2.0
02:00
02:00:02	LinusN	TrueDis_work: what about it?
02:00:05	TrueDis_work	when i resume in 1.4 it usually isn't at exactly the spot where it turned it off
02:00:14	LinusN	player?
02:00:15	tracktheripper	Jet8100 if you queue up some songs then rename the QUEUE_FILE to myplaylist.m3u
02:00:18	TrueDis_work	it's usually off by a few seconds
02:00:18	TrueDis_work	yeah, player
02:00:22	Jet8810	aaah track!
02:00:23	Jet8810	smart!
02:00:27	TrueDis_work	i would assume wherever the disk last read
02:00:32	LinusN	TrueDis_work: pause before you stop
02:00:41	LinusN	pause, then shut off
02:00:46	TrueDis_work	thanks :-)
02:00:46	tracktheripper	the only drawback is that the playlist is saved in the .rockbox folder
02:00:53	Jet8810	true
02:00:57	Jet8810	but
02:01:07	Jet8810	on your PC you can move it and playlist files will still work right?
02:01:12	tracktheripper	yea
02:01:17	LinusN	TrueDis_work: remember to let the drive spin up and save the position before you turn off
02:01:32	tracktheripper	or you can boot ino the Archos firmware, make the playlist there then come back to Rockbox
02:02:01	TrueDis_work	ok, so pausing saves the position?
02:02:09	LinusN	yes
02:02:25	LinusN	otherwise it's only saved when the drive spins up
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02:02:35	LinusN	to read more mp3 data
02:04:01	TrueDis_work	awesome
02:04:06	TrueDis_work	thanks much LinusN
02:04:10	LinusN	yq
02:04:12	LinusN	yw
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02:16:14	adi\|work	documentation looks good :)
02:19:53	LinusN	looks like real documentation! wow! :-)
02:20:12	adi\|work	hehehe
02:20:22	adi\|work	needs work/help.. but its a great start
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03:21:55	Guest	hello any body there ???
03:22:00	LinusN	hi
03:22:08	Guest	ok hi
03:22:42	Guest	i have made several changes on my rockbox copy
03:23:44	Guest	can give me a small tip where i have to search to change the queue function in
03:24:15	LinusN	what do you want to change?
03:24:42	Guest	this way that the current playlist stays in the dir where the last queue is made ???
03:25:27	Guest	understood???
03:26:13	LinusN	i get it
03:26:40	LinusN	look in apps/playlist.c and apps/tree.c
03:27:32	Guest	i was there, but this ithink is a little bit covered
03:30:43	LinusN	the reason that it feels "covered" is that it isn't easily implemented
03:31:27	LinusN	at least not if i remember it correctly
03:33:57	Guest	ok if you don't see it now <no problem>, may be i try the maillist ...
03:35:13	LinusN	there is a function called set_current_file()
03:36:27	LinusN	look in wps.c to see how it is used
03:37:13	Guest	ok i try
03:43:37	Guest	wait, you meant the function for setting cur dir for entering dir mode from wps
03:44:36	Guest	i meant if i play a file and queue a file from another dir then i prefer that the jb
03:45:02	Guest	continues there when the queue is over
03:45:28	LinusN	aha, you mean continues to play the next file after the last queued file?
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03:45:47	Guest	yes
03:46:22	LinusN	aha
03:47:29	LinusN	well, look in tree.c line #1096 or something
03:47:55	LinusN	build_playlist() combined with play_list
03:50:42	Guest	case TREE_ATTR_MPA .....?
03:50:47	LinusN	yup
03:51:08	LinusN	it builds a playlist from the current position of the dir browser
03:51:40	Guest	what's with ON+PLAY
03:51:46	LinusN	?
03:52:56	Guest	you pointed to a line where entire playlists wher played
03:53:22	LinusN	yes, build from the current dir
03:53:26	LinusN	built
03:53:32	LinusN	build_playlist()
03:53:52	LinusN	creates a playlist with the contents of the current dir
03:54:12	Guest	don't ment that wait ...
03:54:33	Guest	i mean playing in one dir then press ON then go to a new dir then press ...
03:54:43	LinusN	i know
03:54:48	Guest	ON + PLAY for queue
03:55:05	LinusN	are you starting to understand why i said that this wasn't easily implemented?
03:55:22	LinusN	we have no functions for what you want to accomplish
03:55:24	Guest	yes
03:55:32	LinusN	you'll have to write them yourself
03:55:59	Guest	wait, what i want is implemented
03:56:23	Guest	give me a last try to explain
03:56:35	Guest	once again
03:57:01	LinusN	you want the playback to continue with the file after the one that was played last in the queue
03:57:22	LinusN	regardless of where the dir browser is
03:58:51	Guest	i simply want that after using on+play - queuing the current play dir is the new selected dir
03:59:14	LinusN	"selected dir"?
03:59:39	LinusN	we don't queue dirs, we queue files
04:00
04:00:43	Guest	while playing pressing on then go to a new dir then press on
04:01:20	Guest	+ play to quere a new file in that dir
04:02:06	Guest	then if that file is played i want to have played the file in that dir
04:02:56	jzoss	So, like the "directory follows playlist" option?
04:03:10	jzoss	Only, "directory follows queueing, THEN follows playlist"?
04:04:11	Guest	ok explain it for you jzoss
04:04:43	jzoss	I've been "listening" to your explanation...
04:06:39	Guest	whats all about how the jukebox chooses its next song after a queue (on+play..) is over
04:07:08	LinusN	that's what i've been saying the whole time
04:07:19	jzoss	yup
04:07:33	LinusN	you want to continue playing the rest of the files in the same dir as the last queued song, right?
04:07:46	Guest	maybe its a littlebit late in germany 4:00
04:07:55	LinusN	here in sweden too
04:08:04	Guest	ok ok YES
04:08:43	Guest	now its right
04:09:16	LinusN	so you need to rebuild the playlist in memory, because the current playlist is built from a different dir
04:09:38	LinusN	hence, build_playlist() and play_list() are your friends
04:09:54	Guest	now i understand
04:10:09	LinusN	but build_playlist() won't help you, since it scans the directiry currently being browsed
04:11:34	Guest	so every time you queue a new file the hole rest of the playlist has to be rebuilded new
04:11:56	jzoss	In your scheme, yes.
04:12:03	Guest	:-)
04:12:04	LinusN	no, only when the last file has been played in the queue
04:12:15	jzoss	Right...I was just gonna say that. =)
04:14:36	Guest	so THANKS for support ;-) and a good night (morning)
04:14:42	LinusN	nite
04:14:48	*	LinusN is going to bed too
04:14:59	Guest	ciao
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04:53:38	kuazo	hoi
04:53:46	jzoss	hello =)
04:54:01	kuazo	how are u :-)
04:54:09	jzoss	just fine, thx
04:55:11	kuazo	i need some remote control for the jukebox
04:55:22	kuazo	do u know how to build it...lol
04:57:05	kuazo	i know thats no question dealing with the rockbox, but i dont know any other jukebox freaks :-P
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05:31:06	kuazo	is the rockbox firmware able to record with the jukebox right now?
05:32:28	jzoss	yes
05:32:42	kuazo	wow ...
05:32:55	kuazo	since?
05:33:55	jzoss	I dunno. Daily builds (not 1.4), but it works
05:34:12	jzoss	I'm assuming you mean recording on a Jukebox-recorder, not a Jukebox-player (or studio). =)
05:34:30	kuazo	sure :o)
05:35:01	kuazo	the normal fireware does not have this feature u mean
05:35:19	kuazo	i need to install the daily updates? confused
05:35:33	jzoss	well, you can download either an "official" 1.4 version (which does not support recording, I don't think)
05:35:50	jzoss	Or you can download the latest-and-greatest build ("daily build") created every day.
05:36:01	jzoss	Which has more features, but (perhaps) more bugs
05:36:30	kuazo	i c ! i thought the daily building only includes some features
05:36:40	kuazo	but its a bundle of all new...
05:36:42	jzoss	yup.
05:37:19	kuazo	i didnt know that ... iam a fool :o)
05:37:21	jzoss	If you look under "patches", each patch contains only a single feature. But once that gets integrated into the main build, then the "daily builds" contain all the latest functionality
05:37:27	jzoss	s'all good. We all learn as we go
05:38:16	kuazo	:o)
05:39:34	kuazo	and whats about some features i dont like
05:39:57	kuazo	for example i dont want screensavers or games :o)
05:40:18	jzoss	If you compile from source, there are configurable options not to include Demos or Games
05:40:47	jzoss	But everything else you pretty much have to take. Most features are configurable, though.
05:40:53	kuazo	iam just a stupid gfxer and flasher :o(
05:41:04	kuazo	damn :o)
05:41:44	jzoss	You could try to offer some input on how to improve Rockbox graphics... it might be welcomed. Some people like Graphic UI, some like Text UI.
05:42:53	kuazo	iam not a coder, sorry
05:43:13	kuazo	the only source i can deal with is html...lol
05:45:23	kuazo	u c ?
05:45:26	kuazo	:o)
05:45:27	jzoss	yup
05:45:38	kuazo	but i like your work as well
05:45:44	jzoss	??
05:45:48	kuazo	its briliant
05:46:03	kuazo	ehm, the work of the rockbox team
05:46:53	jzoss	Indeed. I haven't contributed anything, but some of the other guys have done some great work. =)
05:47:29	kuazo	i even dont know :o)
05:47:37	kuazo	however, its phat
05:48:13	kuazo	i luv my jukebox
05:48:16	kuazo	hrhr
05:55:26	kuazo	damn
05:55:33	jzoss	??
05:55:35	kuazo	this version is phat :o)
05:55:41	jzoss	lol
05:56:21	kuazo	thats just fucking good work !!!
05:56:41	kuazo	the db scale at the record mode
05:56:43	kuazo	hrhr ...
05:57:18	kuazo	i alway record on party u have to know :o)
05:59:03	kuazo	its about 100 to 120 db there and this option is the thing i needed all the time
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06:02:11	kuazo	ehm, the daily version only supports english, well?
06:03:38	jzoss	No
06:03:52	jzoss	There should be .lang files floating around somewhere
06:04:10	jzoss	If you "PLAY" one, it'll switch to that language
06:04:26	jzoss	But you may need to compile-from-src to get those .lang files.
06:04:27	kuazo	sure?
06:04:37	kuazo	hm...damn :o)
06:04:44	jzoss	Pretty sure. But I only use English, so I can't help you so much. sorry
06:04:58	kuazo	i need a german one
06:05:50	jzoss	goto rockbox.haxx.se/lang and see if that'll work for you
06:05:57	jzoss	You need the .lng, not .lang file
06:06:29	kuazo	so i play the file an the language will be added
06:06:42	jzoss	don't see any german though. :(
06:07:20	kuazo	i have to start it every time i reboot the jukebox
06:07:23	kuazo	:o(
06:07:50	jzoss	try to put the .lang file in a /.rockbox directory. Sometimes, things need to be in there to be "remembered" between reboots
06:08:27	kuazo	yeah
06:08:34	kuazo	i just try it
06:09:27	kuazo	may i ask u where are u from?
06:09:39	jzoss	San Antonio, Texas, USA. =)
06:09:52	kuazo	hrhr
06:10:08	jzoss	what is "hrhr" you keep saying?
06:10:15	kuazo	<- dresden , sachsen, german
06:10:34	jzoss	Never been there. Someday, though. =)
06:10:39	kuazo	hrhr, just say it ... thats a kind of laughing
06:10:47	jzoss	that's what I figured. Just checking
06:11:09	jzoss	In case it really means "you're an idiot" (not that you'd tell me if that was the translation. hehe)
06:11:12	kuazo	ya, if you come to germany then dresden :-P
06:12:11	kuazo	no it just means that feel amused about
06:12:28	kuazo	what english, damn :o)
06:12:30	kuazo	sorry!!!
06:12:31	jzoss	I'm just joking with you. Don't worry.
06:12:55	kuazo	u make a fool of me, thanks :-P
06:13:04	jzoss	nonono...
06:14:00	kuazo	ehm
06:14:08	kuazo	i copied the file in the root dir
06:14:15	kuazo	but, its not there...lol
06:14:28	jzoss	where did you copy it to?
06:14:37	kuazo	the root dir
06:15:15	jzoss	so: "copy myfile.lang <rockboxDrive>/myfile.lang" ??
06:15:16	kuazo	any dir ... just G:/
06:15:22	kuazo	right
06:15:27	jzoss	strange
06:15:47	kuazo	technic that rulez
06:16:00	kuazo	it this the right spelling? :o)
06:16:10	jzoss	of what?
06:16:30	kuazo	forget it
06:16:34	jzoss	sorry
06:17:40	kuazo	i ll try it onces more
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06:20:55	elinenbe	jzoss: you here?
06:21:00	jzoss	yup
06:21:02	elinenbe	_seb_: you here?
06:21:12	elinenbe	jzoss: I have notices something with your patch.
06:21:38	elinenbe	jzoss: the red hard drive light keeps blinking on and off the entire time I am on the wps screen (hard drive reading?)
06:21:48	elinenbe	jzoss: and my batteries die quick!
06:21:49	jzoss	yah, I noticed that too.
06:21:53	jzoss	Not sure why.
06:22:00	jzoss	Wasn't sure if it was CVS or my patch.
06:22:10	elinenbe	I think it is your patch.
06:22:16	jzoss	sigh. That's bad
06:22:20	elinenbe	I had not noticed that yesterday.
06:22:25	elinenbe	(with the CVS)
06:22:33	jzoss	I'll check CVS now to see.
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06:23:00	elinenbe	it is bad because the batteries die very quickly.
06:23:05	jzoss	yes
06:24:22	elinenbe	brb
06:24:50	kuazo	i got it working
06:25:03	jzoss	good
06:25:22	kuazo	u have to change the file filter
06:25:27	kuazo	to see the file...lol
06:26:07	jzoss	yup
06:26:09	kuazo	iam i bit confused
06:26:24	kuazo	because there is no file option
06:26:44	kuazo	i listen to music and want to explore other dirs
06:28:02	jzoss	while plauing, to switch from WPS (filename/progressbar) screen to file-view, press ON. And press ON again to get back to WPS view from dir view
06:29:10	kuazo	oki
06:30:12	kuazo	one more question ... where is the option to delete files
06:30:57	jzoss	(in dir view), press ON+PLAY at the same time
06:31:50	kuazo	lol :o)
06:31:51	kuazo	ok
06:35:44	elinenbe	jzoss: how is the other patch you are working on coming along?
06:36:00	jzoss	pretty well. The format-parser is done. Just doing the load/save settings code
06:36:13	jzoss	But now I'm back on fixing the 1st patch. The disk-read error is ugly
06:36:32	jzoss	As a workaround, if the WPS is NOT showing, you don't get that constant disk spin-up. Go figure.
06:41:12	kuazo	just a stupid question of a user like me :o) ... why cant i delete a whole dir full of files?
06:41:28	elinenbe	jzoss: I know.
06:41:42	jzoss	because that requires special coding which is not in place now. Can't delete dirs or recursively delete files in a dir
06:41:53	elinenbe	I was on the bus earlier and the batteries were dying so quickly, that I had to put it in browser mode.
06:42:38	kuazo	ok, it was just a question :o)
06:43:01	jzoss	Yah, it's not usable like that. But I don't know what I changed that would affect that.. Hmmm.
06:44:29	kuazo	managing and deleting files is far better via pc
06:44:34	jzoss	yes
06:44:41	kuazo	but it was just a question :o)
06:44:44	elinenbe	well, whenever you get around to finishing/fixing/updating the patches it would be great if you could add them to the patch tracker on sourceforge. I am heading out of the country for a week and would love them on the jukebox.
06:44:49	elinenbe	(leaving friday night)
06:45:09	jzoss	elinenbe: that's the plan. Enjoy your trip!
06:45:17	elinenbe	sounds grrat!
06:45:26	elinenbe	great!
06:45:51	kuazo	does the rockbox also improve the sound quality?
06:45:52	kuazo	hmm...
06:46:01	elinenbe	kuazo: in some respects.
06:47:13	kuazo	jzoss, i found a reason for deleting whole dirs via jukebox
06:47:43	kuazo	if i connect the jukebox to my pc
06:47:53	kuazo	there are no files under the Recycled dir
06:48:17	jzoss	right.
06:48:26	kuazo	but there are about 2 gig mp3s in it :o(
06:48:35	kuazo	that suckz :-P
06:49:28	jzoss	?? No files = 2gig ??
06:50:10	kuazo	some day my stupid windows fixed some problems on the jukebox
06:50:29	kuazo	do u know what i mean
06:50:50	kuazo	i dont know the right word in english, its like a chkdsk
06:50:55	kuazo	check disk :o)
06:50:57	jzoss	right
06:51:22	jzoss	so there's 2gigs of files you can't delete under Windows?
06:51:23	kuazo	maby thats the reason for this shit, i dont really know
06:51:28	kuazo	right
06:51:43	kuazo	thats a problem :o)
06:52:11	kuazo	all of them are djsets, so its only about 20
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07:04:28	kuazo	i gonna need some manuel for button / function details
07:06:04	jzoss	someone's working on a manual. It should be ready for the 2.0 release "just around the corner". ;)
07:06:18	elinenbe	kuazo: check out the site rockbox.haxx.sew
07:06:23	elinenbe	rockbox.haxx.se
07:06:29	elinenbe	http://rockbox.haxx.se/
07:06:56	jzoss	elinenbe... I tracked the WPS bug down to the cfg-loading code.
07:07:05	jzoss	Which is convenient, since I'm rewriting that anyway. =)
07:07:22	kuazo	i only asked this question, cause iam dont want to nerv u :o)
07:07:30	kuazo	-am
07:08:19	jzoss	g'night, all.
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07:11:39	kuazo	cya all
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08:48:58	Zagor	Bagder: will you look at the x11 tick issue reported?
08:49:03	Bagder	yes
08:49:08	Bagder	I'll respond soon
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08:49:25	Bagder	/nick
08:49:28	TBoy	ok
08:49:30	TBoy	thx
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10:34:31	Guest	hi there! just one question: what does the "power saving" feature in the player menu mean? does it work already?
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11:10:20	Bagder	it sets the CPU to sleep during short periods
11:10:31	Bagder	it works
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11:14:54	dwihno	Works(tm)
11:15:00	dwihno	Everything works! :D
11:15:03	dwihno	Hooray!
11:15:08	dwihno	Let's celebrate!
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11:30:36	tracktheripper	morning
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12:00:00	Bagder	hi
12:00:11	TBoy	hi
12:00:30	TBoy	I hope the postman will be coming soon
12:00:41	TBoy	I can't wait for my recorder
12:01:20	TBoy	since I still have got my recorder, I'd like to ask how the automatic sound leveling works
12:01:29	TBoy	I mean I have used mp3gain on all of mine
12:01:50	TBoy	so they are all not clipped but how does rb do this
12:04:03	TBoy	have I got to select a number in the option or does it just automaticly volumize the songs with the same percentage as the song I'm playin
12:05:50	*	TBoy thinks nobody likes him
12:06:45	*	TBoy has tears running down his cheeks :-'(
12:07:17	Bagder	afaik, there is no automatic leveling on recording
12:07:37	TBoy	no I'm mean on normal playin
12:07:41	TBoy	not recording
12:07:59	TBoy	I mean how do I select the volume I want my songs to be
12:08:08	Bagder	I don't know if the mp3gain stuff is considered at all
12:08:28	TBoy	the good thing about mp3gain it doesn't normalize
12:09:25	TBoy	see a mp3 file has, along with the music and the tags, extra data wich tells how loud it should be played at
12:09:55	Bagder	I know
12:09:57	TBoy	and with this program you can define volume, by picking db
12:10:33	TBoy	and this way they don't get clipped except if they were encoded really silently
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12:27:24	Zagor	mp3gain works with the mp3 data itself afaik, so it's handled by all players
12:27:55	TBoy	I know that
12:28:21	TBoy	I just wanted to know how the auto volume thing on rb work
12:28:23	TBoy	works
12:28:41	Zagor	ah
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14:01:33	dwihno	Zagor: hey, the mutt stuff (iso hello ��) didn't work! :(
14:04:26	Zagor	works for me :-)
14:04:37	dwihno	darn blahblah!
14:04:46	dwihno	Do I need to set something in the shell?
14:08:10	Zagor	no
14:08:21	Zagor	i remember I had some trouble with it too until I got it right
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14:11:40	Schnueff	is LC_CTYPE set?
14:11:49	Zagor	nope
14:11:56	Schnueff	for example, i set LC_CTYPE to de_DE.ISO-8859-1, then start mutt
14:12:24	Schnueff	and then umlauts work (with the muttrc settings u mentioned last week)
14:12:51	dwihno	LC_TYPE? erhm
14:12:57	Schnueff	LC_CTYPE
14:13:08	Schnueff	(environment variable)
14:13:14	Zagor	I set neither
14:13:17	Schnueff	hm k
14:13:41	Schnueff	and your standard locale is ...?
14:19:32	Zagor	en_US
14:19:54	quelsaruk	lunch time
14:19:57	quelsaruk	cu l8r
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14:20:03	dwihno	doesn't work :-/
14:20:10	quel\|lunch	dwihno: need a goat?
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14:23:46	dwihno	quel\|lunch: I could use that :-D
14:24:14	quel\|lunch	i'll send you one via fedex ;)
14:27:04	dwihno	:D
14:27:06	dwihno	yay!
14:43:30	dwihno	quel, did you bribe Linus yet? I think no less than 10 goats will be sufficient! ;)
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14:44:50	Bagder	hey
14:45:31	Guest	i have a short question to ROCKBOX. is it possible to change playlists with the Archos jukebox 20?
14:45:57	Bagder	change playlists?
14:46:03	Bagder	you mean edit?
14:46:13	Guest	yes without pc. yes edit. sorry ....
14:46:21	Bagder	nope, that's not yet possible
14:47:16	Guest	hmm and another question. i have the latest cvs version. whats about queing. how dows it work?
14:47:53	Bagder	on+play while playing a song
14:48:43	Guest	yes and then for a short moment there is a blank screen and the red led is on. but it doesn't work. he plays then the next song out of the directory ?-)
14:50:23	Guest	i am making something wrong ?!
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14:53:38	Guest	Bagder do you have a idea?
14:55:29	Bagder	you have a .rockbox dir?
14:56:05	Guest	no. is it needed ?!
14:56:09	Bagder	yes
14:56:14	Bagder	for queueing
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14:56:23	Guest	oh i will try this. thx....
14:56:25	Bagder	it must exist in the root dir of your archos
14:56:49	Guest	i am on the way to create it.....
14:58:16	Guest	thx it works ....
14:58:33	Guest	is this directory needed by any functions too?!
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15:00:43	Guest	or is it possible to view the que list?
15:02:09	Bagder	.rockbox is generally used by all sorts of rockbox functions
15:03:04	Guest	oh thx. and is it possible to view the quelist?
15:03:25	Bagder	nope
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15:05:10	dwihno	Short visit :(
15:05:18	*	dwihno bought a skohorn today!
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16:17:43	quelsaruk	Bagder: i have one question about queue function :)
16:18:45	quelsaruk	when you queue a file, do you get a screen or something that tell you that the song has been queued??
16:19:51	Bagder	try it
16:20:32	quelsaruk	i mean... i've tried but get nothing, and of course the file doesn't get queued
16:20:54	Bagder	and you have a .rockbox dir?
16:20:57	Schnueff	heh
16:21:06	quelsaruk	i know that when i was able to queue files (loooong ago) you got a screen saying how many files queued and so on
16:21:13	quelsaruk	Bagder: of course ;)
16:21:20	Schnueff	on+play should get you a menu
16:21:23	quelsaruk	yes
16:21:28	Schnueff	hm
16:21:33	quelsaruk	and after that i press play and nothing happens
16:21:50	Bagder	while you have a song playing?
16:21:58	quelsaruk	yups
16:22:12	quelsaruk	Bagder: this may be another demon or something like that ;)
16:22:20	quelsaruk	it's current cvs
16:22:32	quelsaruk	i play a song
16:22:35	quelsaruk	press on..
16:22:36	quelsaruk	navigate
16:22:51	quelsaruk	press on+play on the song i want to queue
16:22:58	quelsaruk	get the quick screen
16:23:04	quelsaruk	press play again
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16:23:34	quelsaruk	the quick screen disappears and i get again into the browser
16:23:44	Bagder	I think it should do that
16:23:51	Schnueff	yes, the feedback screen you mentioned has vanished some time ago
16:24:11	quelsaruk	after that... wait 'till the song endes
16:24:12	quelsaruk	and...
16:24:16	Schnueff	and...?
16:24:23	Schnueff	:)
16:24:44	quelsaruk	i get the next song in the directory, or to the browser if it was the last song in a dir, and have repeat off
16:24:53	quelsaruk	weird
16:24:57	Schnueff	yes
16:24:57	quelsaruk	stupid... and nonsense
16:25:04	quelsaruk	but, that's my life
16:25:05	quelsaruk	:)
16:25:47	Bagder	is there a goat involved in this? ;-)
16:26:34	dwihno	hey, leave the goat out of this :)
16:27:59	quelsaruk	no, Bagder, i've sent last one via fedex to dwihno :)
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16:30:14	quelsaruk	hi langhaarrocker
16:30:21	langhaarrocker	h�h� :)
16:30:29	dwihno	h�h�, en liten eskim�
16:31:43	quelsaruk	great.... you are talking strange languages.. devil is inside you!! Inkisition may banish all of you damned ones!
16:32:52	langhaarrocker	I may assure you: I don't live in iglus and I prefer a tropic beach over arctic ice
16:33:23	quelsaruk	�?
16:33:52	langhaarrocker	(which should diqualify me to be an eskim�)
16:34:02	quelsaruk	ahhh
16:34:03	quelsaruk	:)
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16:54:31	PsycoXul	langhaarrocker: hey
16:54:44	PsycoXul	langhaarrocker: thats pretty good stuff (your music)
16:54:52	PsycoXul	langhaarrocker: what do you play?
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16:56:50	langhaarrocker	Thank you. I'm the bassman
16:56:59	PsycoXul	cool, thats what i'd have guessed heh
16:57:14	PsycoXul	be interested in any internet collaboration? heh
16:57:31	langhaarrocker	Open Source music? :)
16:57:43	PsycoXul	i play guitar, i can possibly maybe sing, drums can be sequenced, but getting good bass lines without a bassist is near impossible heh
16:59:36	langhaarrocker	I definitly can not sing. I have proven that and many people agreed with me on that topic. :(
16:59:41	PsycoXul	hehe
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17:02:02	Bagder	time to run off, see ya
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17:03:29	PsycoXul	well if i manage to get any guitar and drum tracks layed down i'll send 'em to ya, see what you think... maybe you'll wanna contribute hehe
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17:11:47	langhaarrocker	nice idea. I just hope to find the time for that.
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19:27:15	jzoss	Zagor: you there?
19:27:42	Zagor	yup
19:28:11	jzoss	As part of the patches I'm working on, I'm loading some settings from file @ startup
19:28:31	jzoss	Not using the standard cfg file, because they're many bytes long (e.g. ID3 tags)
19:28:57	jzoss	I added the cfg-loading coad in load_config_buffer
19:29:14	jzoss	But if I do any reading from file (using read(fd, ...), things get screwy
19:29:37	jzoss	Whenever playing and WPS is showing, I get near constant disk reads (pulsed @ ~2HZ).
19:29:54	jzoss	If WPS is not showing (and code is still playing), no unusual disk reads
19:30:19	jzoss	Any ideas? Am I not allowed to use open/read from within load_config_buffer? Maybe there's some more initializing still to do...
19:30:59	Zagor	sounds like something else. hard to say without seeing where you have insterted code.
19:31:37	jzoss	You don't think it's got anything to do with the read() call then?
19:31:43	jzoss	hmmmm....
19:32:10	Zagor	no
19:32:51	Zagor	the config block is saved about every two seconds. it sounds like you've added something to that.
19:33:22	jzoss	ahhh.. yes
19:33:42	jzoss	Thought cfg block was only saved @ key points (shutdown, exit settings/menus, etc)
19:33:58	jzoss	I'll shift my load/save code to be called elsewhere.
19:34:07	Zagor	nono, it's saved constantly to keep the resume info up-to-date
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19:34:22	jzoss	gotchya. thx
19:34:29	Bagder	hey ho
19:34:39	matsl	ho hi
19:34:45	quelsaruk	hi Bagder
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19:38:36	Bagder	hi q
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19:43:41	Zagor	Bagder: check out my cool new design on the byta.haxx site
19:44:19	Bagder	NEAT
19:44:45	Zagor	quite a difference :-)
19:45:13	Bagder	I still want the total number of appartments shown on the front page ;-)
19:45:50	quelsaruk	Zagor: did you repair what was wrong yesterday?
19:46:00	Zagor	Bagder: yeah, it's a good idea
19:46:13	Zagor	quelsaruk: no. I gave up and now use a table instead
19:46:20	quelsaruk	hahahaha
19:46:24	Zagor	:-(
19:46:27	quelsaruk	you can't say that to me
19:46:39	Zagor	it's very annoying
19:46:40	quelsaruk	you were something like a myth for me
19:46:56	quelsaruk	now.. you're another crazy swedish
19:47:16	quelsaruk	did you try that 50% instead of auto?
19:48:26	Zagor	quelsaruk: yes. but it messes up. 50% means 50% of total, so you have to deduct the margins and padding you use, which of course are specified in pixels. so you can never make it add up to 100%!
19:50:00	quelsaruk	jummss
19:50:00	quelsaruk	:(
19:50:04	quelsaruk	it was a good idea
19:57:26	Zagor	brb
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19:57:33	quelsaruk	http://usuarios.lycos.es/delecami/acreditaciones.gif
19:58:05	quelsaruk	take a look at it pliz
19:58:07	quelsaruk	:)
19:58:22	jzoss	did you do that? nice. =)
19:58:40	Bagder	cool
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20:09:08	quelsaruk	torito espa�ol :)
20:09:47	quelsaruk	i was going to write "rockbox" on the t-shirts....
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20:28:06	random1	hello.. I'm hearing a lot of distortion at high volumes on recent nightlies with my fm recorder, but the sound is clear with archos firmware. would anyone with an fm rec be willing to receive an example mp3 file to see if they hear the same prob? it's remotely possible that it's a hw issue since it seems the archos firmware doesn't try to go as loud as rockbox
20:28:42	Bagder	?
20:28:50	Bagder	so you have the rockbox louder?
20:29:02	*	Bagder has no fm
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20:29:27	random1	no, volume is maxed in both firmwares.. but it seems that archos-fw max vol isn't as loud as rockbox's
20:29:36	Bagder	that's correct
20:29:40	Bagder	so don't use max
20:29:50	Bagder	max is madness
20:30:05	quelsaruk	not really.. if you are deft
20:30:06	quelsaruk	:)
20:30:14	Bagder	well, you'll become deaf
20:30:29	quelsaruk	or have a troupe of goats at your side
20:31:40	random1	at any rate i did not hear any distortion at max vol on a nightly from around 2/14ish
20:31:53	Bagder	ok
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21:17:34	quelsaruk	time to go home
21:17:37	quelsaruk	bye!
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22:25:16	QInter	Hello Rockboxers
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22:28:50	QInter	I have one question: Does anybody know if somebody is working on a _save settings_ feature?
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