#rockbox 2003-04-08

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#rockbox log for 2003-04-08

00:01:16	adam	uh
00:01:32	adam	it's meant for IO related to the hardware
00:01:35	adam	er, hard drive
00:01:40	adam	not for anything else
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00:04:19	josh966	I know what it's _meant_ for :) but i want a remote control. if it can modulate the stop/play/ff/rew/etc instructions onto the 3 conductors of the stereo jack then maybe the usb code could listen for those instructions too.
00:06:03	adam	maybe if it had the right hardware
00:08:24	adam	heh, the multimedia juke uses the same .ajz style of firmware...
00:08:43	josh966	putting usb aside, could rockbox listen for control messages from the rc on the line in port?
00:10:02	adam	cool, AV140 is coming out when?
00:10:07	*	adam should just get one of those :P
00:10:23	Bagder	the multimedia's ajz files are not the same kind
00:10:53	adam	Badger - obviously
00:10:58	adam	probably using a different encoder
00:11:07	adam	and obviously different software :P
00:11:09	Bagder	yes, and it doesn't load firmware from disk
00:11:22	adam	hmm
00:11:47	adam	how does it load firmware?
00:11:59	Bagder	by flashing it to the flash memory
00:12:02	adam	just flashes?
00:12:04	adam	heh
00:12:05	Bagder	yeps
00:12:24	adam	grr. I want the AV140 to come out...
00:12:34	adam	maybe my money will be back in the bank by then :P
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00:32:59	adam	heh
00:33:25	*	adam wonders if anyone has bought the FM batteries yet?
00:34:14	Bagder	some have, but with an fm wrapped around them :*]
00:34:42	adam	okay. Anyone bought them alone?
00:34:56	Bagder	afaik, people have tried
00:34:59	adam	hopefully archos doesn't pull an apple
00:35:07	adam	i.e. replace the entire thing :P
00:36:59	Bagder	time for me to hit the bed
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00:50:08	adam	hmm
00:50:21	*	adam wonders if the archos makes use of hard drive cache
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00:58:28	RedLeg	Greeting!
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01:01:05	RedLeg	Anybody Awake?
01:22:55	adi\|home	i am.. whats up?
01:35:52	RedLeg	Sorry, wife called me to dinner...
01:36:02	RedLeg	I'm having a HD problem.
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01:57:28	RedLeg	Still having that dratted HD problem....
01:57:35	LinusN	which one?
01:57:41	LinusN	the spinup?
01:58:22	RedLeg	I upgraded my recorder 20 with a toshiba 60g, and a week ago, it quit on me with a HD register error screen at bootup.
01:58:32	LinusN	ah
01:59:36	RedLeg	I tracked down some CSEL info in the mailing list archives this morning, and tried forcing it to master by shorting pins 28-30 (i think), but that didn't help either.
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02:00:11	LinusN	does it spin up?
02:00:16	RedLeg	I am almost ready to just replace the drive, but I want to KNOW what others have working
02:00:23	RedLeg	No, it does not.
02:00:54	RedLeg	Weird thing is I have another small toshiba drive that behaves exactly the same way, with the same error message.
02:01:12	elinenbe	LinusN: hello
02:01:17	RedLeg	Same including same error register numbers
02:01:23	elinenbe	does anyone here have the 80meg hard drive?
02:02:06	RedLeg	No, but my toshiba 60g is giving me fits....
02:03:14	LinusN	elinenbe: hi
02:10:17	elinenbe	LinusN: what is the deal with rockbox?
02:11:07	LinusN	???
02:11:19	elinenbe	I mean what is the status with it?
02:11:32	elinenbe	how long until 2.0?
02:11:32	LinusN	well, it works
02:11:34	elinenbe	:)
02:11:42	elinenbe	what about new features?
02:11:47	LinusN	we need more ATA testing
02:11:49	elinenbe	anything in the pipeline?
02:11:53	LinusN	no more features
02:11:58	elinenbe	what about people "cold" theory
02:12:48	LinusN	sounds reasonable
02:12:57	elinenbe	that it is temperature that is affecting the player?
02:13:18	elinenbe	then you should have a "cold" setting that keeps the player warm by keeping the drive spun up!
02:13:27	LinusN	cold batteries don't perform very well, i guess
02:13:29	elinenbe	of course battery life would be nothing then :)
02:13:31	LinusN	:-)
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02:14:07	elinenbe	so, if that is the only thing holding back 2.0 the that is silly!
02:14:15	elinenbe	I think a lot of users are waiting for 2.0
02:19:37	LinusN	i guess so
02:35:49	LinusN	i was thinking, maybe we should stop the playback immediately when pressing ff/rew just to acknowledge the keypress?
02:38:53	elinenbe	what does it currently do?
02:39:02	elinenbe	does it wait for the drive to spin up?
02:39:09	LinusN	it opens the new file before it stops the music
02:39:16	elinenbe	I think instantaneous reaction is better idea
02:39:19	LinusN	me too
02:39:22	elinenbe	I think that is a good idea
02:39:39	elinenbe	wherever the UI can be quicker I think would be a good idea.
02:40:56	elinenbe	moving to the next prev song seems slow.
02:41:37	elinenbe	what font do you use? personally I like atadore
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02:45:03	Temfate	hey; is anyone tracking a hard drive spinup related crash?
02:45:27	LinusN	a crash? no
02:45:40	Temfate	freeze?
02:45:51	Temfate	It's reproducible on my fm recorder.
02:46:08	LinusN	tell me
02:46:59	Temfate	All I have to do is hold down the scroll threw the root directory for a little bit; then select whatever folder. It usally lights the red light and freezes.
02:47:47	LinusN	just scroll down for a while and then select a dir?
02:48:42	Temfate	yes... if I wait a bit before selecting the dir though it doesn't freeze. Only if you do it right away. At least that's what I currently think is causing it.
02:48:46	LinusN	Temfate: which font do you use?
02:49:37	Temfate	good question; the stock one I believe... whatever is default in the current CVS builds.
02:50:01	LinusN	ok
02:50:28	LinusN	does it happen if you play a file instead of enter a dir?
02:50:46	Temfate	let me try.
02:52:07	Temfate	hmm. now it's not crashing at all! Have you had a report of this before? Maybe it was related to the song it was trying to resume.
02:54:14	LinusN	no, nobody has reported anything like that
02:55:07	Temfate	hmm; the folder with that previous song seems involved; it only crashes when the last song played or the next one is in that dir...
02:55:18	LinusN	wow
02:55:43	Temfate	The folder is all caps. "TRANCE"
02:56:37	LinusN	so you play a song in the TRANCE dir, then what?
02:57:04	Temfate	well now it's crashing when I even try to enter the folder. Maybe my archos is hosed up! :)
02:57:16	Temfate	let me run scandisk
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02:58:23	LinusN	elinenbe: i have found one cause of the prev/next sluggishness
02:58:45	LinusN	it's the "fix-silly-playlists" thing we added some time ago
02:59:23	LinusN	that removes preceding "C:\My Music" and stuff from the playlist entries
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03:00:46	LinusN	it forces a spinup when looking for the next file in the playlist
03:00:54	LinusN	before the music is stopped
03:01:33	Temfate	now that's weird. no errors on disk; but the folder is all lowercase in win32...
03:02:08	LinusN	windows explorer has an option for that
03:02:28	LinusN	like "show short filenames in uppercase" or something
03:03:42	Temfate	yea; I remember now. I give up! I have no clue how to limit what it's really doing and when... Maybe it's something to do with the disc already spinning and in the middle of something when I try to access a different folder?
03:03:58	LinusN	maybe
03:04:52	Temfate	what ROM version did your fm recorder come with?
03:04:58	Temfate	1.30j?
03:05:00	LinusN	1.30j i think
03:05:04	Temfate	k
03:15:04	Temfate	ok; the folder is all lowercase in linux too! explain that one! only rockbox reports it as all caps!
03:15:38	LinusN	linus always display short filenames as lower case
03:15:46	LinusN	linux
03:16:15	Temfate	ok... so rockbox doesn't though?
03:16:20	LinusN	nope
03:16:27	Temfate	I don't know; I'm grasping here! :)
03:16:45	Temfate	I'll find out what's going on somehow.
03:19:18	LinusN	would be great
03:21:40	Temfate	hey here's a quick one for ya; what's our battery size? ever find out?
03:22:38	LinusN	2200mAh
03:23:19	Temfate	that's what I though; but doesn't seem accurate... Seems like it's smaller. Or is the scale calculation off?
03:23:53	Temfate	rockbox would say around 10% while archos says around 50%... And that's set at 2200.
03:24:10	LinusN	yeah, we need to work on that
03:24:33	LinusN	we have a patch pending that is supposed to make that a bit better
03:24:55	LinusN	but we don't focus on fmrec now, that will have to wait until 2.1
03:25:14	Temfate	cool. I can understand that...
03:25:38	Temfate	Well the bug is DEFINITELY based on this mysterious folder of mine!
03:25:49	Temfate	everything else runs fine till I get to that folder.
03:26:09	Temfate	just going down the list entering all of them until that one.
03:26:31	Temfate	you sure my linux kernel on the pc should report it in lowercase even if it's really upper?
03:28:35	LinusN	yes, i'm pretty sure of that
03:29:00	LinusN	and it crashed/hangs when entering the TRANCE dir? always?
03:29:13	Temfate	when I create the same dir on their it comes up as uppercase...
03:29:15	Temfate	yes
03:29:20	LinusN	wow
03:29:23	Temfate	rockbox shows it as TRANCE
03:29:32	Temfate	linux and windows report it in all lowercase.
03:29:40	LinusN	anything special about the contents in TRANCE?
03:29:42	Temfate	and I think I made it all lowercase back when I created it!
03:29:56	Temfate	no; just 4 downloaded mp3's/
03:30:03	LinusN	interesting
03:30:32	Temfate	you're telling me!
03:31:31	Temfate	hmm; should I take the easy way out and just delete the folder and re-create it? or try to debug it?
03:33:27	LinusN	anything special about the file names in that dir?
03:33:59	Temfate	#define special?
03:34:21	LinusN	like unusual characters or very long
03:34:22	Temfate	they are creative; I'll say that!
03:34:26	Temfate	very long.
03:34:31	Temfate	well, sortta
03:35:04	Temfate	61 chars.
03:35:09	Temfate	to 72 chars.
03:35:35	Temfate	with: (),! and space
03:35:35	LinusN	can you mail me a "ls -l > files.txt"?
03:35:43	Temfate	sure; one sec.
03:35:49	Temfate	what address?
03:35:49	LinusN	linus at haxx.se
03:36:25	*	LinusN just found a bug in the playlist code
03:40:29	Temfate	on it's way!
03:44:06	LinusN	got it
03:44:58	adi\|home	what was it?
03:44:58	Temfate	are they "special"?
03:46:44	Temfate	adi: list of files in a folder that keeps crashing my rockbox cvs build.
03:50:47	LinusN	Temfate: i have created a TRANCE dir with those file names, but it won't crash on me
03:51:09	LinusN	have you scandisk/fsck'ed lately?
03:51:47	Temfate	Ijust did a windows scandisk... didn't try fsck yet
03:52:05	Temfate	what's the command? been a long time since I've ran it manually...
03:52:48	LinusN	scandisk will do
03:53:51	Temfate	yea; it was clean. hmm... could that 11meg upset it?
03:54:07	LinusN	not by just entering the dir
03:54:34	LinusN	i would appreciate if you could try to debug it
03:55:08	LinusN	if you made a copy of the entire dir, does the copy crash too?
03:55:22	Temfate	hmm. I'm trying! heh. it's been stumping me for a few days... let me try that copy idea right now!
04:00
04:00:47	Temfate	hey; here's one for ya; that TRANCE folder happens to be dr-xr−−r−−
04:01:01	Temfate	the others are drwxr−−r−−
04:01:38	LinusN	don't try to change anything, you might destroy the evidence
04:02:22	Temfate	I didn't! but the new folder "the copy" has the write permission...
04:02:34	Temfate	we'll see if it crashes.
04:08:50	Temfate	hmm.
04:08:56	Temfate	maybe it's not just that folder.
04:09:34	Temfate	try going into a folder and then quickly exiting back out, up one and into that one... do this several times quickly.
04:10:45	Temfate	yep; that seems to be what's doing it for me.
04:11:41	LinusN	so enter/exit into the same will not do it?
04:11:57	Temfate	no.
04:12:20	Temfate	sometimes I have to do this about 10 times; but it locks after a bit.
04:12:35	Temfate	and it only does it while moving up a folder; not down.
04:12:41	Temfate	odd!
04:13:23	Temfate	from any folder just do a left-up-play several times.
04:15:40	LinusN	i can't make it happen
04:15:56	LinusN	i gotta sleep
04:16:07	LinusN	nite all!
04:16:09	Temfate	k; thanks for the help... I'll keep playing
04:16:29	LinusN	plz continue tracking down the bug
04:18:48	elinenbe	LinusN: goodnight.
04:20:45	LinusN	nit
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04:23:30	Temfate	had to switch machines. Anyone else on with an fm recorder? Psyco? You around?
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07:54:37	tracktheripper	hi
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08:17:17	adi\|home	shut up tracktheripper
08:17:20	adi\|home	i mean hi
08:17:25	adi\|home	sorry.. typo
08:17:28	adi\|home	:)
08:24:36	tracktheripper	that wasnt nice Adimas :(
08:25:57	tracktheripper	:)
08:26:44	tracktheripper	whats up>
08:26:44	tracktheripper	:D
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08:34:54	elinenbe	goodnight... it's late here
08:35:02	Bagder	night elinenbe
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08:52:36	adi\|home	wooo hooo .. i made slashdot :)
08:52:43	adi\|home	well.. an article i submitted :)
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08:53:09	Bagder	which one's that?
08:53:52	adi\|home	first one.. lou_soyur
08:53:58	adi\|home	about microsofts key leak
08:54:21	adi\|home	hehe that feels suprisingly good :)
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09:01:38		Nick dw\|gone is now known as dwihno (dwihno@h193180246067.kommunicera.umea.se)
09:02:05	dwihno	obladi, oblada! :D
09:02:17	Bagder	morning
09:02:40	dwihno	A cold morning indeed, but the sky is blue and the beach is waiting for you :)
09:04:39	dwihno	Want to hear about my disk story?
09:04:51	Bagder	tell us!
09:05:40	dwihno	:D
09:05:58	dwihno	So I got the phone number from Dustin yesterday, and last night I phoned the Irish ppl.
09:06:45	dwihno	They told me to discuss the matter with Dustin, also sending some information regarding warranty etc.
09:07:07	Bagder	we love support-hopping
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09:09:08	Bagder	dwihno: so you talked to dustin (again) yet?
09:09:24	dwihno	Bagder: I'm gonna do that.
09:09:35	dwihno	I wonder if they are going to be helpful or just a pain in the ***.
09:16:36	dwihno	I should call Dustin and ask them for a service tag number.
09:21:26	dwihno	"Please note that there has been a recent EU directive on this subject, which applies to this retail warranty. If you reside in a country where this directive has been pased into legislation, you are entitled to a cost free warranty service with your place of purchase for a period of two years."
09:22:10	dwihno	Did we pass that legislation?
09:22:15	Bagder	no clue
09:22:20	dwihno	hm
09:22:36	dwihno	I'm feeling the aggression increasing.
09:25:11	dwihno	Worst case scenario: I have to send the disk to Ireland and pay for all the package handling etc.
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10:32:04	adi\|home	woo hoo.. slashdot and freshmeat in one day :)
10:32:09	adi\|home	man this has been a nice day :)
10:32:45	dwihno	which what where?
10:33:46	adi\|home	i submitted an article to slashdot, and it got posted.. first time i got one through
10:33:48	adi\|home	was happy
10:34:18	adi\|home	now, a defunct project i took over just had its first release under me and made freshmeat (no competition there) but still the first thing ive done..
10:34:26	*	adi\|home puffs up his weak little chest
10:35:00	dwihno	yay!
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10:43:11	adi\|home	Bagder: whats the name of the 'compiler' we use for the web pages?
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10:44:11	Schnueff	fcpp
10:44:29	Schnueff	was it?
10:44:38	adi\|home	thats right :)
10:44:39	adi\|home	thank you
10:48:02	Schnueff	what time do you have adi\|home?
10:48:11	Schnueff	quite late, eh?
10:55:14	adi\|home	4:55 am here
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11:08:51	Zagor	what's the general optinion on the next/prev issue here? should music stop immediately when you press the button, or no sooner than necessary?
11:10:24	adi\|home	well.. i prefer immediatly...
11:10:35	adi\|home	but i can survive with no sooner then necessary
11:10:53	adi\|home	i have my player pluggee in when i use it.. else it reboots to much
11:11:06	Zagor	!?!
11:12:57	adi\|home	what?
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11:16:16	adi\|home	Zagor i was thinking of moving the 'time format' option from the seperate menu to the timesetting menu (post 2.0) what do you think?
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11:20:06	Zagor	ok with me
11:20:16	Zagor	or, no
11:20:31	adi\|home	our menuing could prob use further clean up in the future..
11:20:35	adi\|home	howcome no?
11:20:36	Zagor	we set graph/numeric settings in one place. time format should be the same place.
11:23:19	Zagor	lunch
11:23:32	adi\|home	huh?
11:23:42	adi\|home	why?
11:23:59	adi\|home	when 24h or 12h is time related?
11:24:06	adi\|home	off to bed.. ill read in the morn
11:26:52	Schnueff	night
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12:02:40	Quelsaruk	afternoon
12:03:02	Quelsaruk	:)
12:03:13	Quelsaruk	Bagder: are you here?
12:03:18	DJBaz	morning
12:05:30	*	Bagder appears
12:05:35	Quelsaruk	great
12:05:50	Quelsaruk	do you have a digital camera?
12:05:53	Bagder	I do
12:06:07	Quelsaruk	i need some screenshots about recording :)
12:06:11	dwihno	quel da priest!
12:06:38	Bagder	its hard to make nice screenshots with a camera
12:06:42	Quelsaruk	and as simulator doesn't have recording...
12:06:44	Quelsaruk	i know
12:07:09	Quelsaruk	i have a really bad digital camera, and i wasn't able of taking nice pictures
12:07:17	Quelsaruk	:(
12:07:32	Quelsaruk	ummm
12:07:46	Quelsaruk	cu later
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12:32:29	Zagor	adi\|home: (for the log) imho, 12/24h is more display related than time related and should thus be changed in display settings
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14:02:42	quelsaruk	hi
14:19:08	quelsaruk	Zagor: aer you going to change 12/24 hours to display options??
14:19:57	quelsaruk	*are
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14:28:09	quelsaruk	re Bagder
14:28:40	Bagder	hi
14:28:57	quelsaruk	finally i think i'm going to make some tricks ;) a custom WPS equal to the WRS, so i can make a snapshot in the simulator :)
14:29:38	Bagder	http://www.audio.philips.com/betatest_HDD100.asp
14:30:27	Bagder	167 grams only
14:31:47	quelsaruk	sounds good
14:32:46	quelsaruk	but.. i love my archos. And i don't have enough money to buy a new jukebox :P
14:33:29	Bagder	I bet you can't program it anyway ;-)
14:33:40	quelsaruk	btw, Bagder, i've used your mail to explain how settings are saved on rockbox, i hope you don't mind
14:33:52	Bagder	not at all
14:34:15	quelsaruk	you really want to bet? I can use not 1 or 2.. or even 3.. i can use up to 10 goats to help me :P
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14:34:41	quel\|lunch	time for lunch
14:34:49	quel\|lunch	cu later!
14:34:52	Bagder	see ya
14:34:57	Bagder	don't eat all the goats at once
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15:17:02	Bagder	isn't margin possible to use in a css for a <td> tag?
15:21:50	Zagor	Bagder: i think it is
15:23:32	Bagder	didn't work for me
15:23:45	Bagder	but I wanted padding anyway, and that works fine
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15:37:06	REBELinBLUE	hey
15:37:12	Bagder	'ello
15:37:46	REBELinBLUE	can I ask what Cygwin packages I need to download to run the simulator on Windows
15:38:25	Bagder	I guess a regular cygwin package
15:38:36	Bagder	since you need a normal native compiler for that
15:38:46	REBELinBLUE	ah good. I selected the default install
15:39:09	REBELinBLUE	so I'm assuming the packages mentioned here http://rockbox.haxx.se/cross-gcc.html don't come with it
15:39:19	Bagder	right
15:39:43	Bagder	but you won't need the cross-tools for the simulator, only when building for target
15:41:10	REBELinBLUE	ah right, well I'll grab those anyway cause I'll want to compile for target some time
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16:48:32	adam	heh
16:48:38	*	adam notes he has his monies back
16:48:45	adam	now all they need to do is release the AV140
16:48:55	langhaarrocker	I want a Moni, too.
16:49:17	adam	I'm thinking of just buying an AV120 :p
16:49:22	adam	assuming there is a real price difference
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16:50:03	Nomad__	morning
16:50:07	adam	hey
16:50:38	langhaarrocker	Nomad: when I was a student I used to get up at this time, too. :)
16:50:47	Bagder	haha
16:51:08	Nomad__	I'm just slow logging in today :>
16:51:17	Nomad__	took yesterday off so I'm not moving too fast today
16:51:27	Nomad__	actually been at work for 3 hours alread
16:51:41	langhaarrocker	yesterday I took off, too. With a paraglider in the sunset.
16:51:44	adam	I find it amusing how Archos doesn't even mention the AV1x0 series, at all, on their site :P
16:52:17	Zagor	yes, that is very odd
16:53:47	adam	well, not really
16:55:22	Zagor	depends on your view, of course. but tech companies normally brag about future products long before they are available.
16:55:59	adam	well, if they're trying to sell their older models
16:56:10	adam	they don't want to talk about a new model coming out this month :p
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17:01:31	Bagder	you think Archos behaves rationally? ;-)
17:02:31	langhaarrocker	That says someone who programms things that others get payed for.
17:02:57	Bagder	I didn't claim I am rational
17:03:15	adam	heh
17:03:16	langhaarrocker	:)
17:03:20	adam	it's a hobby
17:03:27	*	adam notes he likes this little site
17:03:39	adam	this guy covers all the problems I have with my own jukebox
17:03:51	Schnueff	maybe we ask archos and they also say they didnt claim to be rational :)
17:04:04	adam	http://www.hotmp3.gear.com/MMJBfixes.htm
17:04:07	langhaarrocker	adam: which site?
17:04:16	langhaarrocker	ic
17:04:22	adam	I've got the exact same issues with my studio 20
17:04:41	adam	and I can't 'return' it or replace it either :P
17:04:45	adam	since it doesn't even have a serial code
17:06:00	Nomad__	site doesn't load
17:06:09	adam	oh, extraneous .
17:06:16	adam	http://www.hotmp3gear.com/MMJBfixes.htm
17:06:17	langhaarrocker	leave out the dot between hotmp3 and gear
17:06:20	Nomad__	ok, thanks
17:09:50	*	adam needs the screwdriver...
17:10:22	*	langhaarrocker passes adam a pair of pliers
17:10:32	adam	got a pair
17:10:34	adam	will they work?
17:10:53	adam	:P
17:10:56	langhaarrocker	In combination with an axe everything works.
17:13:39	adam	http://www.hotmp3gear.com/mmjb/arch51.jpg
17:13:42	adam	sad.
17:14:50	dwihno	the battery?
17:15:36	adam	only one of them is working
17:15:39	adam	the contact was bent
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17:34:48	Quelsaruk	Bagder: i need some help with the oscillosgraph
17:34:50	Quelsaruk	:)
17:34:54	Quelsaruk	if possible
17:35:11	Bagder	uh
17:35:15	Bagder	I'm not sure I can
17:35:19	Quelsaruk	(and the bouncing demo)
17:35:29	Bagder	that I know ;-)
17:35:37	Quelsaruk	elinenbe made oscillosgraph ? or who?
17:36:27	Bagder	its langhaarrocker, isn't it?
17:36:30	Quelsaruk	well.. then, what should i say about bouncing demo? "An analog clock with rockbox bouncing across the screen?"
17:36:35	Quelsaruk	langhaarrocker?
17:36:37	Quelsaruk	upss
17:36:48	Bagder	Quelsaruk: yeah, and press ON to get a scroll moving instead ;-)
17:37:23	Quelsaruk	what about F1, F2 and F3 ? i think it was for axis and so on, no?
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17:37:37	TBoy	hoi
17:37:43	adam	jeez
17:37:44	Quelsaruk	hi TBoy
17:37:52	adam	I need an EE around to fix my archos :P
17:37:54	Bagder	Quelsaruk: yes, right/left, up/down changes things
17:40:00	Quelsaruk	i don't want to test them, do you remember what did exactly what?
17:40:15	Quelsaruk	if possible, if not.. i'll test :)
17:46:40	TBoy	is it possible, if I have a too large font, to scroll down or make the wps 2 pages
17:46:56	Quelsaruk	not now, AFAIK
17:50:58	adam	http://www.hotmp3gear.com/slots/Speed500.jpg
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17:52:31	adam	Exciting Game Machine!
17:57:04	quel\|coffee	btw... the mail list is getting hot by moments ;)
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19:05:47	ken0__	any dev guys around? found 2 unplayable MP3s that play well on winamp and also a possible bug with file deletion
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19:10:02	d00de	hello
19:10:19	d00de	can i ask a question about charging the studio 20?
19:11:13	d00de	my kings adaptor broke..so i got this uniross regulated power supply with connectors..
19:11:56	d00de	i tried it on 9v at 1.2Amps (fixed amps) and it powered the unit to light it and display the charging sign..but wont let me power the unit on
19:12:10	d00de	is it safe to now maybe try it at 12V CD 1.2Amps?
19:12:18	d00de	or will that be too high a setting/
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19:13:33	quelsaruk	umm
19:13:34	tracktheripper	hi
19:13:37	tracktheripper	:)
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19:13:41	quelsaruk	d00de: i don't think so
19:13:52	tracktheripper	hi Quel
19:13:53	tracktheripper	:)
19:13:57	quelsaruk	hi tracktheripper!
19:14:01	tracktheripper	:F
19:14:04	tracktheripper	sorry :D
19:14:07	quelsaruk	:)
19:14:08	tracktheripper	whats up>
19:14:14	quelsaruk	working on the manual
19:14:20	tracktheripper	cool
19:14:31	tracktheripper	ive shelved the manual idea myself
19:15:35	quelsaruk	you can have a look at it if you want to, but not yet finished
19:15:47	tracktheripper	sure
19:15:48	tracktheripper	:)
19:16:20	tracktheripper	actually ill check it out later, gotta head down the pub later
19:17:16	tracktheripper	Quel this is Adimas earlier on this morning "tracktheripper, shut up, oops hi :)"
19:17:31	quelsaruk	hehe
19:17:38	quelsaruk	i'm sending it to your mail
19:17:38	tracktheripper	lol
19:17:44	tracktheripper	cool :-)
19:17:49	tracktheripper	ill read it later on :)
19:17:57	quelsaruk	ups
19:18:02	tracktheripper	:)
19:18:56	tracktheripper	Quel u working on the inverted video line? :)
19:19:05	quelsaruk	me?
19:19:08	quelsaruk	no thanks ;)
19:19:20	tracktheripper	>:(
19:20:45	tracktheripper	:)
19:22:11	tracktheripper	my JB still has the tetris problem :(
19:23:33	tracktheripper	received :)
19:24:25	quelsaruk	:)
19:24:46	tracktheripper	>:D<
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19:29:53	tracktheripper	Quel are u spanish?
19:34:55	tracktheripper	QUEL?
19:38:50	quelsaruk	yups
19:38:54	quelsaruk	im spanish
19:38:59	tracktheripper	well speak to me then :-)
19:39:26	quelsaruk	i was with other things :P
19:39:32	tracktheripper	:-)
19:40:51	tracktheripper	:)
19:42:04	tracktheripper	QUELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
19:42:40	tracktheripper	>:D<
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19:45:51	quelsaruk	�???
19:46:00	quelsaruk	i don't understand
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21:11:00	ghent	will rockbox be working on the archos multimedia 20 ?
21:13:19	quelsaruk	umm
21:13:20	quelsaruk	nop
21:14:08	quelsaruk	http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/faq.html see question 65 :)
21:14:20	quelsaruk	i must go
21:14:21	quelsaruk	cu!
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21:15:01	neil	hello
21:16:24	ghent	too bad, i'd think it would be easier to have an ogg support on this one
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22:00:11	DJBaz	any news on the alarm feature?
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22:52:17	wethion	Hey folks. I'm trying to build yesterday's CVS, and I don't seem to have sh-elf-gcc, however, some on #debian seem to indicate that the HOWTO may be out of date. Does rockbox still require elf?
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23:02:37	PsycoXul	what other binary format would it compile to?
23:03:01	PsycoXul	afaik the tools that make the .mod out of the compiled bin expect it to be elf
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23:15:46	Nomad__	ummm, any devs handy?
23:31:33	Nomad__	my jukebox is dead it seems :<
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