#rockbox 2003-04-28

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#rockbox log for 2003-04-28

00:14:19	tracktheripper	hey DEV
00:21:01	devZer0	here - something is going on here ! :D
00:21:15	devZer0	s/o is SPEAKING
00:22:21	tracktheripper	im Always speeking in here
00:22:40	devZer0	ok.
00:22:42	devZer0	:)
00:23:12	devZer0	and all the others may have a meal. or whatelse :D
00:24:07	tracktheripper	im missing Zagor :( :( :(
00:25:06	BoD[]	are you in luvvv ?
00:25:07	devZer0	hey, there must be something besides rockbox for these guys :D
00:25:13	devZer0	:DDD
00:26:06	devZer0	i miss him, too. i need s/o to take a look at my patch :D
00:26:22	tracktheripper	i am BoD
00:26:27	BoD[]	right ;)
00:26:32	tracktheripper	;)
00:26:53	devZer0	does zagor know that? :D
00:27:10	tracktheripper	no
00:27:12	devZer0	maybe that`s the reason, why he isn`t in here :)
00:27:29	tracktheripper	lol
00:29:22	devZer0	but WHY the hell do you miss hm? you didnt just meet him for one or two days....
00:29:38	tracktheripper	never mind
00:32:05	devZer0	ok. he`ll be back soon :)
00:32:21	devZer0	anybody here who want`s to try my new patch?
00:32:36	tracktheripper	yes plz :-)
00:33:23	devZer0	i will upload it to my vserver and post a link,ok?
00:34:15	BoD[]	what does it do ? (sorry)
00:35:47	devZer0	it enables you to switch icons on/off in directory browser
00:35:52	devZer0	nothing great.
00:35:58	devZer0	but my second patch :D
00:36:46	BoD[]	oh right
00:37:41	devZer0	one more feature in rockbox :D
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00:41:08	devZer0	checkout http://rockbox.my-vserver.de/try/ajbrec.ajz
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00:42:45	midknight2k3	glee
00:45:02	midknight2k3	heelo?
00:46:12	BoD[]	oui?
00:46:27	midknight2k3	Out Out
00:46:29	midknight2k3	oops
00:46:32	midknight2k3	Oui Oui
00:47:05	tracktheripper	DEV i downloaded ur patch
00:47:09	tracktheripper	what toes it do?
00:47:12	midknight2k3	WAIT
00:47:19	midknight2k3	you know how to add the patches to rockbox?
00:47:40	tracktheripper	ahhhhhh
00:47:45	tracktheripper	it removes the icons in the browsers
00:47:46	midknight2k3	ahhhh?
00:47:51	midknight2k3	you kow how?
00:48:36	devZer0	hi m2k3, i supplied a binary file with the patch already inside.
00:48:45	midknight2k3	oh
00:48:57	midknight2k3	do you know how to patch then?
00:49:13	devZer0	it just doesnt remove the icons - there is a menu option that you can turn them on/off
00:49:50	midknight2k3	hello?
00:49:50	devZer0	m2k3 - i shouldn`t have given him the binary. i should have make him patching himself ;)
00:49:56	midknight2k3	i dont know how
00:49:57	midknight2k3	do you?
00:50:26	devZer0	yes - i`m not very familar with that, but i managed to make a patch
00:50:42	midknight2k3	can you put the patch onto rockbox well though?
00:51:21	devZer0	you just dowload latest cvs of rockbox and than patch it with my patch
00:51:49	midknight2k3	Wait
00:51:51	midknight2k3	Okay
00:52:04	devZer0	you did it?
00:52:08	midknight2k3	Do You Know How To Take A '.Patch' File And Put It On Rockbox?
00:52:17	devZer0	yes
00:52:28	tracktheripper	Will someone add an ID3 TAG EDITOR to the daily builds?
00:52:28	midknight2k3	oh man oh man
00:52:29	tracktheripper	please?
00:52:31	midknight2k3	how long does it take?
00:52:32	devZer0	it`s very easy
00:52:35	tracktheripper	pretty please?
00:52:41	midknight2k3	how man can you tell me?
00:53:04	devZer0	just do a "patch -p0 <file.patch" inside the dir with the file to patch
00:53:24	midknight2k3	umm
00:53:28		Quit tracktheripper ("Leaving")
00:53:32	midknight2k3	i have no idea what youre talking about lol
00:53:58	midknight2k3	if you can tell me step by step I would be eternally in your debt
00:54:10	devZer0	errrm. can you compile rockbox?
00:54:16	midknight2k3	no idea
00:54:17	devZer0	did you do that already?
00:55:10	devZer0	before you gonna do patching, you should be able to do that.
00:55:32	devZer0	patches need to be applied to the sourcecode and then you compile the binary file from that
00:55:32	midknight2k3	man am i clueless
00:56:08	midknight2k3	howlong does it take you to get a patch put on rockbox?
00:56:12	devZer0	but you are interested in that stuff and want to learn that?
00:56:37	devZer0	that depends how far you are at this point
00:56:37	midknight2k3	I would like to learn but can't figure it out
00:56:50	midknight2k3	i just have to know what i need to do this
00:57:12	devZer0	first off, you need to be able to compile rockbox
00:57:29	midknight2k3	for that i need...?
00:57:37	devZer0	a compiler ;)
00:57:46	midknight2k3	like...?
00:57:49	midknight2k3	lol sorry
00:57:59	midknight2k3	im no good at this stuff
00:58:21	devZer0	did you rtfm ? (read the f...n manual?)
00:58:22	devZer0	;)
00:58:43	midknight2k3	What manual?
00:59:37	BoD[]	man man
00:59:37	devZer0	http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/
00:59:41	midknight2k3	god im not worth wasting time on
00:59:44	devZer0	howtos for hackers
00:59:50	midknight2k3	im not a hacker
00:59:50	devZer0	noonooo
00:59:58	devZer0	never mind
01:00
01:00:13	devZer0	every beginning is hard
01:00:30	midknight2k3	was i supposed to read all 20000 pages?
01:00:44	devZer0	it`s just a matter of really wanting it
01:01:03	devZer0	half of them should be enough ;)
01:01:13	midknight2k3	well i don't know
01:01:35	devZer0	you want to learn coding?
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01:02:56	midknight2k3	i just wish i could get the patch and rockbox and say 'patch it now!'
01:03:27	devZer0	you are just interesting in patching or you want to try the new feature?
01:03:42	midknight2k3	i want to try out a few patches and more as they come out
01:04:12	devZer0	which OS do you have?
01:04:18	midknight2k3	XP
01:04:20	midknight2k3	home
01:04:51	devZer0	ok. i would recommend that you try the win32 sdk. it is a stripped down cygwin environment
01:05:18	devZer0	you may read http://rockbox.my-vserver.de/win32-sdk.html and follow the docs
01:05:34	midknight2k3	uh
01:05:43	devZer0	with that you are able to compile rockbox yourself+
01:05:47	devZer0	whaattt?
01:06:02	devZer0	uhhhh ? you won`t tell me, that this is too much to read? :D
01:06:16	midknight2k3	naw
01:06:17	devZer0	haha:) should i send you sendmail manual ;)
01:06:24	midknight2k3	no!
01:06:27	midknight2k3	enough reading
01:06:38	midknight2k3	let me just get that set up and you can help me from there?
01:06:46	devZer0	it really easy step by step instruction
01:06:57	devZer0	yes, no problem
01:07:04	midknight2k3	neat thanks a whole lot you'
01:07:15	midknight2k3	re the only one that knows how and hast he time to help ;)
01:07:24	devZer0	nonoo.
01:08:03	devZer0	there are always people who have time and which help. you just have to met them ;D
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01:08:16	midknight2k3	yes
01:08:32	diddystar5	hey
01:08:39	devZer0	yuppa
01:08:54	midknight2k3	glee hello glee
01:09:15	midknight2k3	me puerto me hasto ma pleased-o two... meat yuuo!
01:09:52	devZer0	is that spanish?
01:10:31	midknight2k3	who knows
01:10:50	midknight2k3	i think it means, "Me am something something Pleased to meat you!"
01:11:00	midknight2k3	okay wait now im stuck
01:11:09	midknight2k3	when i download tar and stuff do i install them?
01:11:45	diddystar5	no
01:11:52	midknight2k3	i got it hang on
01:11:54	diddystar5	there are like zip files and stuff
01:12:33	midknight2k3	man this don't work
01:12:47	devZer0	what don`t work?
01:12:51	diddystar5	i nice program to unzip that stuff is http://www.7-zip.com/
01:12:55	midknight2k3	who knows
01:13:00	midknight2k3	lol
01:14:35	midknight2k3	devzer0
01:14:54	midknight2k3	i have no idea
01:15:10	midknight2k3	wait
01:15:11	midknight2k3	WAIT
01:15:14	midknight2k3	i think i got it
01:16:04	diddystar5	did you?
01:16:29	midknight2k3	YES
01:16:32	midknight2k3	I DID IT HAHA
01:16:39	midknight2k3	Who rules Who rules?
01:16:41	midknight2k3	Me Me!
01:16:43	midknight2k3	wohoo
01:17:01	diddystar5	hehe what did you use?
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01:17:22	midknight2k3	just the command prompt and the tar and bzip2 things
01:17:45	diddystar5	o yea im to lazy to type it in the cp
01:18:01	diddystar5	i gotta go bye
01:18:03		Quit diddystar5 ("Leaving")
01:18:16	midknight2k3	dev?
01:18:35	devZer0	yes?
01:18:47	devZer0	you needn`t type!
01:18:49	midknight2k3	says 'Execute c:\cygwin\cygwin.bat - You should have a BASH prompt now'
01:18:58	devZer0	you just can do copy/paste ;)
01:18:58	midknight2k3	i didn't get anything
01:19:02	midknight2k3	cause i have cywin installed?
01:19:11	midknight2k3	cygwin
01:19:29	devZer0	double click on that file or type that command into dosbox :)
01:19:48	midknight2k3	all that happens is a command prompt comes up for a SPLIT SECOND
01:19:52	midknight2k3	then it goes away
01:19:55	devZer0	win32 sdk IS cygwin
01:19:56	midknight2k3	when i do the BAT file
01:20:43	devZer0	the file is in c:\cygwin ?
01:20:54	midknight2k3	D: in this case
01:21:06	midknight2k3	must it be c:?
01:21:09	devZer0	please move it to c:
01:21:12	devZer0	yes.
01:21:15	midknight2k3	ok
01:21:48	midknight2k3	wow
01:21:50	devZer0	i could do an installer which honours relocation of install.
01:22:06	devZer0	jou should see something green
01:22:28	midknight2k3	this is working out so far so lets see if i can finish ( :\ :/ :) :( )
01:22:31	devZer0	btw: this is the same command prompt as you have in linux
01:22:44	midknight2k3	you the one that was talking ab out linux?
01:23:00	devZer0	you mean in the docs?
01:23:05	midknight2k3	in here
01:23:08	midknight2k3	do you use it?
01:23:16	devZer0	yes, certainly :)
01:23:25	midknight2k3	Whoa! CALM DOWN THERE jeez it was a simple question!
01:23:31	midknight2k3	Don't get so angry, sorry!
01:23:44	BoD[]	?!
01:23:53	devZer0	who gets angry?
01:23:55	midknight2k3	who knows?
01:24:07	BoD[]	this guy is strange, i tell you :)
01:24:19	midknight2k3	glee
01:24:19	devZer0	mhhh
01:24:27	midknight2k3	i got the cfommand prompt now
01:24:31	devZer0	he draws ascii burgers :D
01:24:50	midknight2k3	HAH
01:24:53	midknight2k3	you wish
01:24:55	midknight2k3	my latest:
01:24:57	midknight2k3	(−−-)
01:24:58	devZer0	nonoooo
01:25:00	midknight2k3	\/\/\
01:25:01	devZer0	pleaaaase
01:25:04	midknight2k3	ok
01:25:05	BoD[]	:))
01:25:09	midknight2k3	:()
01:25:10	BoD[]	true
01:25:34	devZer0	mid, what`s your age?
01:26:02	midknight2k3	if you had enoguh sense to check the old logs you'd know im 13
01:26:25	midknight2k3	ok im stuck
01:26:52	BoD[]	you were born in 2k3 ? :)
01:27:02	devZer0	ok, then tell me what you want to know
01:27:13	midknight2k3	nope
01:27:13	midknight2k3	Download rockbox-tools.tar.bz2
01:27:13	midknight2k3	Download and unpack RockBox sourcecode to /home/rockbox OR check out via CVS (make sure you are in /home/rockbox). For CVS - make sure your personal firewall allows cvs.exe connect to cvs.rockbox.sourceforge.net. You have personal firewall, haven`t you ? ;)
01:27:21	midknight2k3	now this is hard
01:27:30	devZer0	heee, BoD. you have not been very good in maths ? ;)
01:27:31	midknight2k3	i dont get how to unpack it to 'home/rockbox'
01:27:42	midknight2k3	haa
01:27:48	BoD[]	ahah ;) no not really no
01:28:06	midknight2k3	help me
01:28:14	devZer0	mid: move that file to c:\cygwin\home\rockbox
01:28:23	midknight2k3	oj
01:28:28	midknight2k3	OJ is good!
01:28:34	midknight2k3	With extra pulp mm hmm
01:28:35	devZer0	"c:\cygwin" is "/" in your bash prompt
01:28:49	devZer0	so c:\cygwin\home is /home
01:28:51	devZer0	and so on
01:29:12	BoD[]	what is OJ
01:29:25	midknight2k3	orange juice
01:29:33	BoD[]	ok sorry
01:29:34	midknight2k3	floridas natural mmmmmmm
01:29:36	midknight2k3	http://floridasnatural.com/products.html
01:30:00	BoD[]	me i love fanta orange
01:30:15	devZer0	mine`s just gotten empty. but i have oj++
01:30:17	devZer0	:D
01:30:28	devZer0	fanta-o is great
01:30:36	midknight2k3	umm SURE....
01:30:42	midknight2k3	let me try this out now
01:31:12	BoD[]	but i don't like orangina, even though it's my country's national product :)
01:31:32	devZer0	why? orangina is even greater than fanta-o
01:31:56	devZer0	perhaps you had that too much in your life?
01:31:58	midknight2k3	calm down lol
01:32:16	BoD[]	no really, i never liked it
01:32:34	devZer0	ok. it`s up to everone`s taste
01:32:39	BoD[]	i find it leaves a bad taste in the mouth :) and it doesn't really tastes like orange, but fanta does!
01:32:47	BoD[]	yes of course
01:33:14	devZer0	you are french guy and speaking english here? ;)
01:33:51	midknight2k3	hello?
01:33:56	midknight2k3	i need help
01:33:58	devZer0	yes?
01:34:07	midknight2k3	how do I do the unpack stuff
01:34:10	BoD[]	well yes of course why not
01:34:28	devZer0	its the same procedure as unpacking the other stuff
01:35:00	devZer0	BoD: because i didn`t met many french people in my life which spoke english. especially good english
01:35:12	midknight2k3	HEY! How can i "Download and unpack RockBox sourcecode to /home/rockbox OR check out via CVS (make sure you are in /home/rockbox)."
01:35:23	midknight2k3	how can i unpack it to a place?
01:35:28	midknight2k3	ok wait
01:35:31	midknight2k3	wait wait wai
01:35:34	devZer0	cd /home/rockbox
01:35:40	midknight2k3	OHHHHH
01:35:43	midknight2k3	okay never mind haha
01:35:47	devZer0	and read the docs. step by step. CAREFULLY !
01:36:49	midknight2k3	i did it!
01:36:53	midknight2k3	yoooooohohoo
01:37:37	devZer0	nice that one can make you happy so easily :D
01:38:15	midknight2k3	lol
01:38:17	midknight2k3	BUT
01:38:20	midknight2k3	but
01:38:22	midknight2k3	what now
01:38:32	midknight2k3	i have all the 5 files it unpacked but have no idea how to go on
01:38:44	devZer0	the patch or what?
01:38:56	midknight2k3	rockbox tools
01:39:12	midknight2k3	step 8.2
01:39:25	devZer0	you put them to the tools-dir?
01:39:35	midknight2k3	tools?
01:40:01	midknight2k3	wait now that i can do this, should i download rockbox source and undo it all so i have the source code?
01:40:11	midknight2k3	by undo i mean tar and bz2 it
01:40:18	midknight2k3	Untar and UNbz2
01:40:30	devZer0	you first need to download the source.
01:40:40	devZer0	then you have a dir where you put the tools inside
01:40:46	midknight2k3	yes
01:40:49	devZer0	they are needed during build
01:40:58	devZer0	did you do a rb-checkout
01:40:59	midknight2k3	'/hiome/rockbox'
01:41:00	devZer0	?
01:41:04	midknight2k3	no
01:41:07	midknight2k3	not past step 8 yet
01:41:11	devZer0	do that first
01:41:30	devZer0	step by step - one after the other.
01:41:41	midknight2k3	But that's just it
01:41:44	midknight2k3	I dont know HOW
01:41:49	devZer0	what?
01:41:57	midknight2k3	'I have made 2 scripts wich will make CVS handling easy for you. You won`t need to login because login information (anonymous) is being stored in /home/rockbox/.cvspass already. '
01:42:08	midknight2k3	And.... how do i use the script?
01:42:24	devZer0	you just go to /home/rockbox
01:42:24	midknight2k3	or is that for the CVS thing?
01:42:29	devZer0	cd /home/rockbox
01:42:34	midknight2k3	ok
01:42:35	devZer0	then you type
01:42:39	devZer0	rb-checkout.sh
01:43:07	midknight2k3	wow
01:43:09	midknight2k3	it works!
01:43:12	devZer0	cvs is a repository where the sourcecode is in
01:43:22	devZer0	it is the latest source there
01:43:35	midknight2k3	i dunno
01:43:42	midknight2k3	it did it to something called 'rockbox-tools'
01:43:44	devZer0	and every change which is made to the source is inside
01:45:02	midknight2k3	now how to compile
01:45:06	devZer0	has checkout finished?
01:45:25	midknight2k3	yes
01:45:27	midknight2k3	wait i can do it
01:45:30	devZer0	are the tools (e.g. convbdf.exe) in c:\cygwin\home\rockbox\tools?
01:45:32	midknight2k3	let me try before oyu help k?
01:45:33	midknight2k3	;0
01:45:41	midknight2k3	yes
01:46:20	devZer0	you need to make build dir, it is parallel to tools
01:47:03	midknight2k3	i did the mkdir build-dir
01:47:07	midknight2k3	but now what
01:47:10	devZer0	ok
01:47:14	devZer0	cd into that
01:47:15	midknight2k3	cd build dir done
01:47:17	midknight2k3	yes
01:47:26	devZer0	and follow the docs
01:47:37	midknight2k3	lol
01:47:55	midknight2k3	do this, then that, then this, then that, then this, then keep reading to find out more.
01:48:03	midknight2k3	now wait
01:48:04	devZer0	:D
01:48:06	devZer0	yes
01:48:13	midknight2k3	god wait hang on
01:48:27	midknight2k3	i cant figure this out
01:48:30	midknight2k3	just 'make'
01:48:32	midknight2k3	?
01:48:49	midknight2k3	unpack to 'tools'?
01:49:46	midknight2k3	can you tell me step by step?
01:49:56	devZer0	move rockbox-tools.tar.bz2 to c:\cygwin\home\rockbox\tools
01:50:18	devZer0	then unbzip2 and untar them - as you did with the sdk
01:50:23	midknight2k3	pause ther
01:50:34	devZer0	nonoo
01:50:37	devZer0	no pause
01:50:46	devZer0	it`s late here and i wanna go sleep :)
01:50:50	midknight2k3	ok
01:51:24	elinenbe	hey there.
01:51:27	elinenbe	what you need help with?
01:51:33	elinenbe	I can help you!
01:51:50	midknight2k3	he's got it thanks tho
01:52:52	midknight2k3	dev?
01:52:55	midknight2k3	can you continue?
01:52:58	midknight2k3	im ready
01:53:11	devZer0	did you unpack the tools?
01:53:22	midknight2k3	yes
01:53:37	devZer0	now you have some .exe files in the tools dir?
01:53:40	midknight2k3	yes
01:53:59	devZer0	ok, cd into the build dir
01:54:09	midknight2k3	ok
01:54:24	midknight2k3	~\build-dir
01:54:33	midknight2k3	in this case ~/build-dir
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01:55:06	devZer0	type pwd and tell me what you see
01:55:07	Stevie-O	you guys need to update your FAQ, question #11 says irc.openprojects.net
01:55:20	elinenbe	no problem.
01:55:28	elinenbe	what is wrong with that irc server?
01:55:34	midknight2k3	'/home/rockbox/build-dir'
01:55:43	Stevie-O	it was renamed to irc.freenode.net ?
01:55:49	devZer0	ok. now type ../tools/configure
01:55:52	elinenbe	was it? I don't know.
01:55:56	Stevie-O	[19:53] dccii: connect irc.openprojects.net: Unable to resolve irc.openprojects.net
01:56:02	midknight2k3	wait
01:56:09	Stevie-O	the 'irc' page mentions the right name
01:56:12	midknight2k3	'/home/rockbox/tools/configure'?
01:56:35	devZer0	yes
01:56:56	devZer0	you can type the relative (../tools/configure) or absolute path (/home.....)
01:56:58	midknight2k3	cool
01:57:14	BoD[]	stevie-o : you should post that on the mailing list
01:57:14	devZer0	as you know (for shure) this is the same
01:57:16	devZer0	;)
01:57:20	midknight2k3	i got it down now
01:57:36	midknight2k3	thanks a LOT,
01:57:51	devZer0	and now you are being asked for something...
01:57:56	midknight2k3	yes
01:57:59	midknight2k3	i can do that :)
01:58:12	midknight2k3	i think it's done :)
01:58:14	devZer0	leave out demos or games
01:58:31	midknight2k3	oh crap i didnt
01:58:38	midknight2k3	i like em is it ok if they're there
01:59:26	midknight2k3	is it ok if the demos/games wer chosen?
01:59:27	devZer0	i`m not really shure,but there are some problems with filesize >200k and you should make shure, that your binary wouldn`t get too big. so better leave games or demos out
01:59:39	midknight2k3	well let me do it over 1 sec
02:00
02:00:16	midknight2k3	ok
02:00:19	midknight2k3	makefile is made
02:00:46	midknight2k3	almost done?
02:01:20	devZer0	yes
02:01:29	midknight2k3	ok well now what
02:01:39	devZer0	now your processor gets something to work :)
02:01:47	devZer0	just type "make" now
02:01:55	midknight2k3	oh really cool
02:02:07	midknight2k3	haha
02:02:11	midknight2k3	'rolo.c'
02:03:28	midknight2k3	done!
02:04:01	devZer0	now you should have a ajbrec.ajz or something like that in build-dir. do you have recorder or player/studio?
02:04:37	midknight2k3	recorder
02:04:42	devZer0	great
02:04:49	midknight2k3	why?
02:05:03	devZer0	because i don`t like the player :)
02:05:06	midknight2k3	haha
02:05:09	devZer0	display is just tooo small
02:05:09	midknight2k3	neither me
02:05:26	midknight2k3	well not too small but the characters are too big and not customizable :\
02:05:41	midknight2k3	Archos jukebox recorder has a lot of capabilities
02:05:52	devZer0	just 2 lines isnt enough
02:05:53	midknight2k3	if it can fit on the screen you can basically do it
02:06:04	midknight2k3	i agree tho i hate the player ones
02:06:10	midknight2k3	so wait
02:06:14	midknight2k3	now how do i patch it?
02:06:54	devZer0	put the tar to /home/rockbox
02:07:01	devZer0	untar it there
02:07:05	midknight2k3	okay then
02:07:10	midknight2k3	waigt
02:07:13	midknight2k3	what if it'
02:07:20	midknight2k3	it's a '.patch' file?
02:07:37	devZer0	then it` alrady the patch
02:07:48	midknight2k3	okay how do i apply it?
02:07:48	devZer0	what patch do you have?
02:07:59	midknight2k3	i want ot try the UI imporvements one
02:08:08	midknight2k3	just for the first attemot
02:08:25	midknight2k3	http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=695524&group_id=44306&atid=439120
02:10:08	midknight2k3	is that possible with the programs i have?
02:10:57	devZer0	yes, basically. but maybe you can` apply this patch anymore, because there was too much changes to the source meanwhile
02:11:12	midknight2k3	rats
02:11:21	devZer0	heeee
02:11:25	midknight2k3	heee?
02:11:30	midknight2k3	is that a joke?
02:11:36	devZer0	what rats?
02:11:41	midknight2k3	Oh wow
02:11:54	midknight2k3	i meant, drat or crap or shoot you know
02:12:03	BoD[]	damn' !
02:12:15	midknight2k3	you forgot the first quote
02:12:36	midknight2k3	So wait now
02:12:41	BoD[]	no it's a contraction quote
02:12:49	BoD[]	damned => damn'
02:13:08	midknight2k3	oh sure
02:13:15	midknight2k3	http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=699202&group_id=44306&atid=439120
02:13:18	midknight2k3	that one, dev?
02:15:49	devZer0	hey,it`s not THAT easy as you think.
02:15:55	midknight2k3	what?
02:16:13	devZer0	keep in mind that all this stuff is meant for developers
02:16:23	midknight2k3	so i can't do it?
02:16:29	devZer0	i didn` t try these patches myself yet.
02:17:16	midknight2k3	can i though?
02:17:34	devZer0	don` t think so black/white
02:17:46	midknight2k3	?
02:18:05	devZer0	first you should know about patches
02:18:09	midknight2k3	ok how about a tar.gz one
02:18:13	midknight2k3	k?
02:18:18	devZer0	tell me what a patch is ;)
02:18:18	midknight2k3	http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=617976&group_id=44306&atid=439120
02:18:23	midknight2k3	OH BOY
02:18:27	midknight2k3	IM NOT THAT STUPID
02:18:59	devZer0	i never said that ;)
02:19:02	midknight2k3	'a minor usually temporary correction or modification in a computer program'
02:19:08	midknight2k3	glee
02:19:18	devZer0	whooha
02:19:29	midknight2k3	Man come on let's do the tar.gz one
02:20:19	devZer0	ok
02:20:30	devZer0	i`ll try it first
02:20:42	midknight2k3	ok
02:27:28	devZer0	mhh. it really isn`t your day...
02:28:04	devZer0	this patch is a combination of a patch and 2 files being replaced.
02:28:35	devZer0	you could replace the files. but the patch won`t apply to the actual source anymore. a developer would need to do this by hand.
02:28:56	midknight2k3	oh well never min dit all
02:29:00	devZer0	or you get the sourcecode from that time when the patch was made. cvs allows you to do so.
02:29:08	midknight2k3	at least i know how to do it for future referrence
02:29:43	devZer0	why not explaining patching with my new patch? i know it should with this
02:29:57	devZer0	keep in mind that i`m no patch professional.
02:30:03	midknight2k3	trying to patch the rockbox with your patch?
02:30:16	devZer0	yes, it is brandnew
02:30:16	midknight2k3	sure
02:30:20	midknight2k3	i saw it
02:30:35	midknight2k3	might be useful too :D
02:30:42	midknight2k3	the icons one right
02:30:43	devZer0	not really :)
02:30:56	devZer0	but one more feature :)
02:31:04	midknight2k3	yes thats all that matters
02:31:08	midknight2k3	ok lets try this out
02:31:12	midknight2k3	download the patch right
02:31:47	devZer0	yes. untar in /home/rockbox
02:31:56	devZer0	then cd into apps directory
02:32:16	midknight2k3	what was that address again?
02:32:29	midknight2k3	the place with how to set up the win32 environment
02:32:57	devZer0	it is being linked from rockbox docs pages
02:33:00	midknight2k3	got it
02:33:45	midknight2k3	ok now it's in 'icon-patch' folder?
02:33:59	devZer0	and you are in apps?
02:34:13	midknight2k3	physically or under the cygwin prompt?
02:34:20	devZer0	cygwin
02:34:34	midknight2k3	now yes i am
02:34:45	devZer0	ok. then patch 4 files there:
02:35:24	devZer0	patch -p0 ../icon-patch/tree.c.patch
02:35:40	midknight2k3	for all of them>
02:35:40	devZer0	and the other tree .c.patch files
02:35:58	midknight2k3	and the H ones too?
02:36:10	devZer0	H ?
02:36:13	midknight2k3	the H 'ONE' i mean
02:36:16	devZer0	oh yes.
02:36:19	devZer0	shure
02:36:21	midknight2k3	and the lang ones?
02:36:36	devZer0	later
02:36:42	midknight2k3	ok hang on
02:36:48	devZer0	did you do that?
02:36:54	midknight2k3	doing
02:36:59	midknight2k3	do what?
02:37:02	midknight2k3	lang files? no
02:37:08	devZer0	the other ones?
02:37:11	midknight2k3	am doing
02:37:26	devZer0	after that cd to lang dir
02:37:50	devZer0	and do patch -p0 <../../icon-patch/english.lang.patch
02:37:55	midknight2k3	is it sposed to take a long time?
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02:38:17	midknight2k3	i didnt get a confirmation or anything
02:38:23	midknight2k3	the cursor thing just went down one line
02:38:24	devZer0	sorry. in the first command i wrote the < was missing
02:38:36	devZer0	do a ctr-c and insert the <
02:38:50	devZer0	it`s late here and i`m a little bit tired
02:39:01	midknight2k3	the < goes where?
02:39:17	devZer0	betweend patch -p0 and ../blah...
02:39:24	midknight2k3	i have an idea, can you just type the instructions here then go cause i have to eat but want to try to get this done
02:39:48	devZer0	ok.
02:39:54	midknight2k3	thanks a whole lot
02:40:05	midknight2k3	i'll never forget you sniff
02:40:20	devZer0	patch -p0 <../icon-patch/tree.c.patch
02:40:29	devZer0	whooohoooo
02:40:49	devZer0	the same you do with all the files except the lang files
02:40:53	devZer0	then cd lang
02:41:12	devZer0	then patch -p0 <../../english.lang.patch
02:41:22	devZer0	think you won`t need deutsch.lang.patch
02:41:42	devZer0	if all apply without error, you go back to build-dir
02:41:56	devZer0	do a "make clean" and start "make" again
02:42:51	devZer0	i leave now. have fun.
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02:47:31	midknight2k3	rats
02:50:00	*	BoD[] goes to bed bye!
02:50:04	midknight2k3	NO
02:50:08	midknight2k3	dont leave em
02:50:09	midknight2k3	me
02:50:13	BoD[]	why not
02:50:18	midknight2k3	who knows?
02:50:24	BoD[]	don't you have better to do ? :)
02:50:43	midknight2k3	not really
02:50:47	BoD[]	what time is it
02:50:48	midknight2k3	CRAp
02:51:11	midknight2k3	it's 5:51
02:51:19	BoD[]	am or pm
02:51:24	midknight2k3	PM lo
02:51:26	midknight2k3	lol
02:51:35	BoD[]	ok it's 2:37 am here
02:51:42	BoD[]	so you see ;)
02:51:43	midknight2k3	WOW
02:51:49	BoD[]	i have to go to sleep
02:51:54	midknight2k3	do you have to work in the morning?
02:52:01	BoD[]	no fortunately i was fired
02:52:07	midknight2k3	ouch
02:52:09	BoD[]	so now i just do nothing all day long
02:52:10	midknight2k3	where from?
02:52:17	BoD[]	and i usually wake up at 12:00 :)
02:52:28	midknight2k3	ha if i had the chance i'd do that too
02:52:30	BoD[]	software company
02:52:33	midknight2k3	summer breaks coming soon at least
02:52:37	midknight2k3	what company?
02:52:46	BoD[]	it's not well known
02:52:53	midknight2k3	still whats it called
02:53:00	BoD[]	i dont want to tell :)
02:53:06	midknight2k3	why?
02:53:19	midknight2k3	I told you what time it is here!
02:53:38	BoD[]	they fired me i hate them i don't want to make them advertising by citing their name
02:53:48	BoD[]	:)
02:53:52	midknight2k3	aww i want to make sure i never buy from them :)
02:54:03	midknight2k3	but how can i if i dont know who they are ;)
02:54:07	BoD[]	you could'nt they only have other companies as customers
02:54:22	midknight2k3	um
02:54:35	midknight2k3	I have an idea
02:54:49	midknight2k3	go look for a job as a ladies shoe department salesman
02:54:52	midknight2k3	in the mall
02:54:55	BoD[]	but i'll tell you anyway it's "icom informatics"
02:54:55	BoD[]	it's a small company, 20 people
02:55:24	BoD[]	that's a very strange idea
02:55:37	BoD[]	but then again : you ARE strange ;)
02:55:56	midknight2k3	am i?
02:56:14	midknight2k3	http://www.icominfo.com/home.htm
02:56:31	BoD[]	exactly
02:56:31	midknight2k3	i wonder what i can buy from them to make them get rich
02:56:37	midknight2k3	haha just kidding
02:56:44	BoD[]	you can't :)
02:56:45	midknight2k3	we all love you bod
02:57:02	BoD[]	anyway they don't have a future !
02:57:14	midknight2k3	why?
02:57:20	midknight2k3	cause you dont work there? lol
02:57:35	BoD[]	:))
02:58:00	midknight2k3	i shall make them go bankrupt
02:58:01	BoD[]	no because they fired me because they don't have enough money, because they don't have enough customers, because they don't have competitive products to sell
02:58:05	midknight2k3	what did you used to do there?
02:58:17	BoD[]	i was a java developper
02:58:26	midknight2k3	sounds fun
02:58:26	BoD[]	well i'm still that i guess sort of
02:58:44	midknight2k3	look for a new job in the little nickel as a ladies shoe department thing
02:59:10	BoD[]	little nickel ??
02:59:14	midknight2k3	oh WOW
02:59:27	midknight2k3	whats your local free newspaper/ad thing
02:59:29	BoD[]	and what's the thing with ladies shoe ??
02:59:40	midknight2k3	Is it called the Nickel Saver?
02:59:46	BoD[]	no
02:59:51	midknight2k3	what then?
03:00
03:00:04	BoD[]	it wouldn't be called with english words would it ? ;)
03:00:16	midknight2k3	where do you live?
03:00:21	BoD[]	i don't know ... "HIP" is one of them
03:00:26	BoD[]	in france
03:01:12	midknight2k3	look
03:01:13	midknight2k3	http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.asp?did=J233H6Q90SXVKNWPML&ix=1&CiBookMark=1&lpage=6&jdl=J233H6Q90SXVKNWPML%2CJ42QP1MKN3ZH5TH5G0%2CJ32Y966BTCY0BF07NV%2CJ25HM78PZC9JNT0T7R%2CJ300C6T1ZZSMGT8CJT%2CJ303V6SKMFKJM3C3BL%2CJ32BR67VS4R066MF7Q%2CJ33M86FMH80PQR3YDC&jobcount=144&strCrit=QID%3DA6650205367263%3Bst%3Da%3Buse%3DALL%3BrawWords%3Dshoes%3BCID%3DUS%3BSID%3D%3F%3BTID%3D0%3BENR%3DNO%3BDTP%3DALL%3BYDI%3DYES%3BIND%3DAll%3
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03:02:00	BoD[]	and? :)
03:02:07	midknight2k3	dunno
03:02:13	midknight2k3	get a good job bod
03:02:16	BoD[]	muoahah :)
03:02:21	BoD[]	well i prefer to do nothing
03:02:26	midknight2k3	whats with the '[]' thing anywyas?
03:02:26	BoD[]	because i'm lazy
03:02:45	BoD[]	well you know the nickname BoD was already taken
03:02:49	BoD[]	so I added that
03:02:49	midknight2k3	lol
03:02:54	midknight2k3	lazy
03:03:11	BoD[]	and it makes it like the notation for an array in the Java programming language
03:03:23	midknight2k3	WOW
03:03:25	midknight2k3	HOW UGLY
03:03:38	BoD[]	why
03:03:44	midknight2k3	who knows?
03:03:48	BoD[]	:)
03:03:54	BoD[]	you are fun
03:03:56	midknight2k3	Yes, it's a happy day.
03:03:59	BoD[]	strange
03:04:01	BoD[]	but fun
03:04:05	midknight2k3	Am I?
03:04:26	BoD[]	by the way it was my 25 birthday today
03:04:37	BoD[]	so i feel very old, especially when i speak to you
03:04:55	midknight2k3	ha
03:04:58	BoD[]	that's why i have to stop it and go to bed ;)
03:05:00	midknight2k3	happy birthady
03:05:05	BoD[]	thnx
03:05:07	midknight2k3	happy birthday to bod!
03:05:14	midknight2k3	Cuse hes the beest
03:05:21	BoD[]	:)
03:05:30	midknight2k3	BoD with the [] at the end~
03:05:32	midknight2k3	Woo
03:05:35	BoD[]	so see you
03:05:47	BoD[]	bye
03:05:57	midknight2k3	bye bod happy birthday thanks bye have fun see you
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03:06:19	Stevie-O	wow, I like this Rockbox stuff
03:06:24	midknight2k3	i know
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08:32:15	dwihno	Morning
08:32:40	dwihno	Any goo idea how to separate words in a "bla bleh bloo blerp" format? I want to iterate through each and every one :-)
08:32:43	dwihno	strtok?
08:32:50	Zagor	yes
08:33:45	dwihno	I guess you didn't catch the ice hockey game last night? :)
08:34:02	Zagor	heh, no. i've been out diving all weekend. in the snow...
08:34:48	dwihno	Snowdiving? :)
08:35:13	Zagor	hehe, you'd almost think so when you surface and it's a freaking blizzard above
08:37:43	dwihno	:-)
08:38:04	dwihno	Are you a pro?
08:40:52	dwihno	How will strtok handle multiple spaces?
08:51:43	Hes	NAME
08:51:43	Hes	strtok, strtok_r - extract tokens from strings
08:51:48	Hes	BUGS
08:51:48	Hes	Never use this function. If you do, note that:
08:51:50	Hes	... 8-)
08:55:12	dwihno	strtok works good :)
08:55:28	dwihno	Now I'm doing print formatting
08:55:49	Hes	I just thought that the linux man page for it is funny.
08:56:08	Zagor	yeah, it is. I have seen that before.
08:56:57	*	Zagor is fighting the Debian Priesthood
08:57:13	dwihno	Speaking of debian...
08:57:22	dwihno	http://bbspot.com/News/2003/01/os_quiz.php
08:57:26	dwihno	"What OS are you?" :-)
08:57:31	Zagor	haha
08:57:39	dwihno	A friend of mine was OS2/Warp and the other, Win98 :)
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09:48:54	dwihno	Do you guys know a simple way to detect what OS you're running in a Makefile?
09:49:04	*	dwihno <−− not a Makefile ninja
09:49:06	Zagor	uname
09:49:07	Zagor	:)
09:49:12	Zagor	(only works in unix)
09:49:37	dwihno	I have a makefile which compiles on windows and *nix...
09:49:56	dwihno	perhaps the simplest way would be to alias rm to del on windows
09:50:27	Zagor	it's rather common practice to give up and make one makefile for windows and one for unix :-)
09:51:03	dwihno	No way!
09:51:05	dwihno	:-)
09:51:54	dwihno	It's (still) a console app
09:54:34	dwihno	Which works pretty good, if I may add :-)
09:54:43	Zagor	what is it?
09:55:20	dwihno	It's just an application to check files' CRC and do a list name lookup, along with renaming, deleting dupes etc.
09:56:48	dwihno	I think the RockBox project actually has made me a (slightly) better coder :)
09:57:09	Zagor	that's good to hear
09:57:20	dwihno	I love ANSI C, but I am also master of spaghetti code :-)
09:59:14	Zagor	hehe. i think that's something only time can teach you
09:59:48	dwihno	True!
09:59:52	dwihno	The keyword: API!
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10:00:44	dwihno	I did some ASP along with a friend a couple of nights ago... In VB, you can't format the lines any way!
10:00:58	dwihno	And if you want to break a statement across several lines, you must use _
10:01:34	Zagor	Just Say No :-)
10:02:19	dwihno	Nah, You Must Help Your Friends :-)
10:02:54	dwihno	Although doing ASP sometimes feels like spanking yourself ;-)
10:10:16	dwihno	If I use the -g option when I compile stuff, does _ALL_ debugging information go away when I strip the executable?
10:10:56	Zagor	yes
10:11:25	Zagor	strip is a very good stripper :)
10:12:04	dwihno	What is better for production use... GCC 3.2 or 2.97?
10:12:42	Zagor	depends on your needs. 3.2 has some new stuff, like newer optimization and some more better c++ support. 2.97 is rock solid.
10:13:47	Zagor	there's probably other good reasons to use 3.2 too, I just don't have the info
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10:47:19	langhaarrocker	:( no Quelsaruk. It seems I need whole flock of goats.
10:50:57	dwihno	Rock solid :) Yum.
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11:02:16	langhaarrocker	Can rockbox screw the hd / sth else in such a way that the jukebox doesn't boot anymore? I fear a serious problem.
11:02:34	langhaarrocker	(no, the batteries are full)
11:02:44	Zagor	the password lock is the only such thing we know about. and that's not a rockbox specific issue.
11:03:22	langhaarrocker	It occasionally boots but only i one out of ten times
11:05:16	Zagor	sounds like a hardware problem. maybe a battery has gone bad?
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11:06:01	Zagor	yo bro!
11:06:02	Bagder	hey
11:06:07	langhaarrocker	moin bagder!
11:07:48	langhaarrocker	I'll try another set of batteries tonight.
11:10:56	langhaarrocker	I20000006:IllSltIn
11:10:56	langhaarrocker	at 0000000A
11:11:14	Zagor	what are you doing executing code down there? ;)
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11:11:36	langhaarrocker	I plugged in the ac adapter.
11:12:17	dwihno	Hey, I've noticed something fishy in the latest builds
11:12:36	dwihno	When I power off my laptop with the unit attached (USB mode) it does not leave USB mode anymore.
11:12:46	dwihno	Once I had this "press 'on' to debug"-message
11:14:17	Zagor	hmm, strange
11:14:33	langhaarrocker	Honestly I suspect that my hardware is broken.
11:16:06	langhaarrocker	When I start the unit it most of the times has the red led off. If that happens it won't boot at all, screen stays blank. I can hear the hd spin up though. Sometimes when I start it the red led turns on. Then the thing boots correctly.
11:17:12	langhaarrocker	When I have the thing up and running I randomly get 'panic' screens (like the one above) on button presses.
11:19:33	langhaarrocker	I09: CPUAdrEr at 400 (while navigating the menu)
11:19:33	langhaarrocker	-> the errors are arbitrary
11:20:43	langhaarrocker	I20000006: IllSltIn at 0 (while browsing. Funny adress though)
11:21:06	langhaarrocker	I need goats.
11:21:28	langhaarrocker	What is a IllSltIn?
11:23:28	Zagor	"Illegal Slot Instruction"
11:23:56	Zagor	a slot is one special cycle directly after a delayed branch instruction
11:24:05	langhaarrocker	ah.
11:24:09	Zagor	it basically means "no code here" :)
11:25:05	langhaarrocker	Somehow I suspect these errors are even worse than a broken harddrive.
11:25:58	Zagor	are you getting them immediately at boot, or later?
11:26:20	Zagor	oh, "while browsing"
11:26:23	langhaarrocker	usually as a result of a button press or inserting the power adapter
11:27:01	langhaarrocker	But once it also encountered 'at free will'
11:27:50	Zagor	sounds very fishy. like a busted RAM or something.
11:28:50	langhaarrocker	Yes. Or maybe some piece of metal occasionally shortens some bus signals.
11:28:58	Zagor	yes
11:29:11	Zagor	lunch
11:29:22	langhaarrocker	eat with appetite
11:41:08	langhaarrocker	h�h�. Funny. Now Win2k complains that I had disconnected the drive without removing it safely. I didn't touch anything though. Jukebox still displays the usb icon.
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13:47:41	*	langhaarrocker needs a working jukebox
13:48:02	Zagor	:-(
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14:39:01	calpefrosch	does anybody has some script to collect the id3 information als a comma-seperated list ?
14:39:28	calpefrosch	like -> filename;name;album;genre
14:41:50	Zagor	nope, i'm afraid not. but the MP3::Mplib perl module looks useful
14:43:09	calpefrosch	hmm, I thought about id3info and awk....
14:43:19	dwihno	the power of perl compels you! :)
14:43:29	Zagor	yeah, whatever does the job
14:43:41	calpefrosch	let's try what is faster ;-)
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15:16:35	*	Bagder got a valid RSS feed now
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15:17:04	Zagor	ooh
15:17:16	Bagder	that might make it more useful to people
15:17:50	langhaarrocker	http://rockbox.haxx.se/digest/digest.rss ?? Thats xml
15:18:12	Zagor	yes
15:18:21	Bagder	rss is xml
15:18:50	*	langhaarrocker doesn't know rss
15:19:05	Bagder	but mozilla doesn't like the page
15:19:12	Bagder	when using the 'digest.xml' name
15:19:24	Zagor	i've set the content-type now
15:19:31	Zagor	to text/xml
15:19:38	Bagder	ok
15:19:45	Zagor	msie doesn't care about content-type, but then we don't care about msie so it evens out :-)
15:20:08	Bagder	does opera whine on that page?
15:20:12	Zagor	checking..
15:20:24	Zagor	nope
15:20:25	langhaarrocker	what is it supposed to look like?
15:20:31	Zagor	not very pretty though :-)
15:20:34	Bagder	it doesn't look
15:20:36	Bagder	it contains
15:20:40	Zagor	you're not supposed to look at it
15:20:47	Zagor	you're supposed to feed it to other programs
15:20:53	langhaarrocker	ok
15:20:56	*	langhaarrocker looks away
15:20:59	Zagor	haha
15:26:32	Zagor	yikes, the amd opteron really kicks ass on some stuff
15:30:30	langhaarrocker	is it a suitable upgrade for the remoclone?
15:30:49	Zagor	yes, I think so. it has an integrated memory controller.
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16:09:30	Bagder	I added a 'valid rss' button
16:09:43	Bagder	makes it easier for me to re-validate the rss ;-)
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17:55:15	Guest	hi everybody
17:55:48	Guest	anyone interested in answering some questions on the archos op system
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18:01:16	Guest	?
18:02:47	Guest	I can't get into half of my directories under OS 1.3J- browseing causes a crash every time. Would a file utility like Norton accurately diagnose and repair any problems?
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22:23:32	Stevie[FreedomPa	howdy
22:24:46	tracktheripper	hi Stevie
22:24:51	Stevie[FreedomPa	how goes it?
22:24:59	tracktheripper	very well thanx :-)
22:25:03	Stevie[FreedomPa	good to hear.
22:25:03	tracktheripper	what Archos do u have?
22:25:07	Stevie[FreedomPa	the FM recorder
22:25:16	tracktheripper	Im an MP3 connesieur
22:25:20	Stevie[FreedomPa	my dad got it for me last friday
22:25:28	Stevie[FreedomPa	bday present :D
22:25:47	Stevie[FreedomPa	and by Saturday I had already managed to crash the original firmware once
22:25:59	tracktheripper	awwwwwww
22:26:06	tracktheripper	WMA sounds shit, shit shit
22:26:12	Stevie[FreedomPa	locked up on an mp3 with a long ID3
22:26:30	Stevie[FreedomPa	thank god for Rockbox
22:26:46	Stevie[FreedomPa	you do any dev?
22:26:54	tracktheripper	Lack of FM tuner is the Achille's heel for Rockbox on the FM
22:27:06	Stevie[FreedomPa	yeah, I know
22:27:08	Stevie[FreedomPa	fortunately
22:27:10	Stevie[FreedomPa	(1) I don't listen to the radio, that's why I ahve CDs
22:27:17	tracktheripper	:-)
22:27:27	Stevie[FreedomPa	(2) if I ever did want to, I have a copy of the 1.30j firmware so I can boot that from ROLO
22:27:35	tracktheripper	Stevie what codec do u use and what bitrate do u compress at?
22:27:42	Stevie[FreedomPa	well
22:27:46	Stevie[FreedomPa	I used to use BladeEnc
22:27:51	Stevie[FreedomPa	now I'm using LAME for the first time
22:28:06	tracktheripper	im using Fraunhofer at 192kbs
22:28:17	tracktheripper	perfect CD sound for me
22:28:17	Stevie[FreedomPa	mkay
22:28:23	Stevie[FreedomPa	yeah, I do 192
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22:28:57	Stevie[FreedomPa	you do any development?
22:28:59	tracktheripper	CBR or VBR?
22:29:08	Stevie[FreedomPa	I don't know what CBR is
22:29:17	tracktheripper	No, don't code, just like helping others operate Rockbox
22:29:32	Stevie[FreedomPa	Cytoplasmic Bitrate?
22:29:54	tracktheripper	CBR is Constant Bit Rate, VBR is Variable Bit Rate
22:29:57	Stevie[FreedomPa	oh
22:30:10	Stevie[FreedomPa	well, LAME seems to be doing VBR
22:30:34	Stevie[FreedomPa	some of these tracks it's almost entirely encoding at 128
22:30:39	tracktheripper	lol
22:30:43	Stevie[FreedomPa	others are evenly distributed from 128 to 320
22:30:54	tracktheripper	at least the Archos is non SDMI compliant
22:31:01	Stevie[FreedomPa	SDMI?
22:31:10	tracktheripper	some copyprotection bullshit
22:31:13	Stevie[FreedomPa	oh
22:31:15	Jet8810	lol
22:31:18	Jet8810	hey ripper!
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22:31:21	Jet8810	hey Stevie
22:31:23	Stevie[FreedomPa	I hate virtually all forms of copy protection
22:31:36	Stevie[FreedomPa	I mean
22:31:41	tracktheripper	hey Jett!!!
22:31:48	Stevie[FreedomPa	I might not mind so much if the record companies gave free replacements for scratched CDs
22:31:51	Jet8810	hey mats
22:32:00	Stevie[FreedomPa	given that they cost a whopping 1.5 cents to make
22:32:04	Jet8810	heh
22:32:12	Jet8810	that could be abused Stevie
22:32:21	Jet8810	I say let you copy it and burn it for PERSONAL use
22:32:23	Jet8810	dont try to regulate it
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22:32:36	tracktheripper	Stevie what is your view on WMA sound quality?
22:32:47	Stevie[FreedomPa	I don't use it
22:33:00	Stevie[FreedomPa	Jet8810: how?
22:33:07	Stevie[FreedomPa	if all you had to do
22:33:12	Stevie[FreedomPa	was mail in the old version
22:33:16	Stevie[FreedomPa	err the old disc
22:33:59	tracktheripper	WMA sounds crap
22:35:02	Stevie[FreedomPa	but then, so do many bands
22:35:03	Stevie[FreedomPa	;)
22:36:35	tracktheripper	especially Busted ;)
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22:52:24	tracktheripper	hello Bjorn
22:52:27	Zagor	hi
22:52:46	tracktheripper	Bjorn, when u set up this site why did u choose Zagor as ur name?
22:52:51	Jet8810	hello Bjorn
22:53:41	Snorlax	www.apple.com/ipod
22:53:49	Zagor	tracktheripper: I've used that name since 1982...
22:53:55	Snorlax	yup ipod2 is here!
22:54:05	Snorlax	thinner and lighter then ever!
22:54:09	tracktheripper	yea but in what way is it significant to u? just asking :-)
22:55:30	Jet8810	shit
22:55:33	Jet8810	the Ipod is awesome!
22:56:04	Zagor	Snorlax: what's new? 10 more gigs and 4 buttons. anything else?
22:56:19	Jet8810	Zagor, its much thinner
22:56:24	Jet8810	its .62 inches...how thick is the Archos?
22:56:41	Zagor	archos holds 80 megs. it's apple and oranges
22:56:50	Zagor	gigs even
22:56:56	Snorlax	on-the-go-playlist, notes, ACC support, 2 new games, better lcd, docking station AND USB 2.0!!! I could go on and on!
22:57:00	Jet8810	in your case maybe Zagor
22:57:02	Jet8810	mine only has 20
22:57:14	Snorlax	USB 2.0 and firewire
22:57:24	Zagor	usb2 is good, indeed
22:57:34	Jet8810	yea
22:57:35	Jet8810	very good
22:57:36	Snorlax	yup, indeed!
22:57:42	Jet8810	but as I understand it, still not USB Mass Storage
22:57:45	Jet8810	not drag and drop
22:57:48	Zagor	boo
22:57:50	Jet8810	so I refuse to buy it...nice and simple
22:58:20	Snorlax	well I'm getting it when it comes to sweden=may 9th
22:59:05	Jet8810	heh
22:59:07	Jet8810	got a PC?
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23:00:25	Snorlax	yup
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23:08:25	elinenbe	pretty cool new ipod
23:08:31	elinenbe	I should say very cool!
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23:08:51	tracktheripper	Hi Badger!!!!!!!!!!!
23:09:00	tracktheripper	:-)
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23:22:01	Zagor	did nobody see the mail about brute force debugging?
23:22:10	Bagder	I did
23:22:11	tracktheripper	sorry>!>!
23:22:23	*	ClosetPacifist did.
23:22:29	Zagor	i expected some replies...
23:23:01	Zagor	but as long as somebody is testing, i'll be patient...
23:23:28	tracktheripper	Zagor, couldn't the max number of entries be increased to 500 at least?
23:23:30	Bagder	I've never seen the read led
23:23:36	Bagder	RLD
23:23:39	Bagder	red led dead
23:23:43	Zagor	tracktheripper: sure, we could increase it to 5000 too
23:24:41	tracktheripper	but then that will intrude into valuable RAM
23:24:48	Zagor	bingo :-)
23:25:21	tracktheripper	Zagor there should be a way u can set the base name for recording so you don't get the daft alphanumeric filename
23:25:33	Zagor	rename
23:25:49	tracktheripper	i mean set the name prior to recording not afterwards
23:26:06	tracktheripper	and you should be able to dump a recoding into a folder of your choice, not the root
23:26:07	tracktheripper	:-)
23:27:01	Zagor	this is planned
23:27:09	tracktheripper	oh well Zagor there is always the Archos firmware for recording via Rolo........
23:27:09	tracktheripper	:-)
23:27:38	Zagor	yes. have fun!
23:27:49	tracktheripper	^_^
23:27:56	tracktheripper	((hits Zagor))
23:28:31	tracktheripper	:-)
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