00:00:45 | Stevie[FP] | hm |
00:01:05 | Stevie[FP] | something somebody did between 2.0 and 4/28 broke the Recording F2/F3 menus on my FM |
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00:05:46 | BoD[] | Hello world |
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00:07:45 | tracktheripper | Why isnt "Flange" possible on the Archos? |
00:07:47 | tracktheripper | :-( |
00:08:49 | BoD[] | what is it |
00:09:27 | tracktheripper | its a sort of cool "sweeping" effect that sounds great on techno-dance music |
00:09:40 | BoD[] | well |
00:09:58 | tracktheripper | Soundforge has a flange effect |
00:10:08 | BoD[] | that is probably because they can't directly program the sound processor chip |
00:11:16 | * | Stevie[FP] is away [g0n3] [KS-MsgLog Off] |
00:11:40 | tracktheripper | but the effect is soooooooo cool on dance music :-) |
00:11:58 | tracktheripper | if they can do stereo narrow and stereo wide why not flange? :-( |
00:14:17 | BoD[] | héhé that's a good question |
00:14:28 | BoD[] | i dont know how they to the stereo stuff |
00:17:14 | tracktheripper | BoD Submit a feature request "Run Soundforge on the fly" |
00:17:15 | tracktheripper | :-) |
00:17:38 | BoD[] | submit it yourself ;) |
00:18:02 | tracktheripper | no because it will get rejectied if I send it |
00:18:02 | tracktheripper | :-) |
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00:23:56 | BoD[] | hi ! |
00:24:01 | Zagor | hey guys |
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00:24:38 | Zagor | hey |
00:25:04 | BoD[] | hey how come you have the same user@host than tracktheripper |
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00:26:16 | BoD[] | ?! |
00:27:49 | tracktheripper | ? |
00:27:56 | BoD[] | hey how come you have the same user@host than Zagor :) |
00:28:02 | tracktheripper | ??????????? |
00:28:09 | tracktheripper | ???????????? |
00:28:25 | tracktheripper | ??? |
00:28:29 | tracktheripper | pardon? |
00:28:37 | BoD[] | how do you connect to this forum ? |
00:28:59 | tracktheripper | never mind :D |
00:29:10 | BoD[] | no tell me |
00:29:12 | tracktheripper | ?? |
00:29:42 | tracktheripper | © |
00:30:12 | tracktheripper | its your monitor playing up :-) |
00:30:27 | BoD[] | do you use some web interface |
00:30:38 | tracktheripper | shhhhhhhh |
00:31:33 | tracktheripper | don't worry |
00:31:44 | tracktheripper | its prob crossed wires in the server |
00:33:08 | BoD[] | yeah right ;) |
00:33:41 | tracktheripper | i wouldnt' dream of nicking his name ;-) |
00:35:04 | BoD[] | anywayyyyyyy |
00:35:14 | tracktheripper | :-) |
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00:36:48 | BoD[] | what are you doing |
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00:56:32 | Stevie-O | sup y'all |
00:56:45 | BoD[] | hi |
00:56:50 | Stevie-O | sup BoD |
00:58:47 | BoD[] | nothing :) |
00:58:59 | BoD[] | i killed my right ear |
00:59:06 | BoD[] | bye going to a disco |
00:59:11 | Stevie-O | going for the Van Gogh look? |
00:59:38 | BoD[] | no :) |
00:59:57 | BoD[] | but now i'm semi deaf |
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01:05:48 | Stevie-O | oh |
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01:33:43 | sigsegv_ | Can tetris be playedon the Jukebox Studio 20? |
01:34:10 | BoD[] | does it have a screen ? |
01:34:46 | sigsegv_ | ya |
01:35:22 | BoD[] | then yes |
01:35:42 | sigsegv_ | which firmware do I need? |
01:36:18 | BoD[] | the bleeding edge one :) |
01:37:05 | sigsegv_ | a ha. and doom? |
01:38:16 | BoD[] | doom was an april fool joke |
01:38:33 | BoD[] | it probably can't be done on this device |
01:38:52 | sigsegv_ | you're just lasy that's all |
01:39:10 | BoD[] | not me, i'm not a developper |
01:40:04 | BoD[] | but please do it if you think it's doable |
01:41:13 | sigsegv_ | if you're not a developer then why the fuck are you giving advice? |
01:42:46 | BoD[] | because not only developers can give an advice ? |
01:46:12 | sigsegv_ | but only developers can give "good advice" so piss off! |
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01:46:28 | BoD[] | yeah right :)) |
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03:01:32 | Stevie-O | who missed me? |
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03:02:25 | Stevie-O | wtf |
03:02:30 | Stevie-O | the Prez is interrupting CSI |
03:02:32 | Stevie-O | >:( |
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03:12:04 | Stevie-O | sup jz |
03:12:24 | jzoss | yoyo, hello! =) |
03:15:48 | jzoss | Stevie...was that you asking earlier on IRC about "why don't we use UP arrow in quickmenu F2/F3 screens?" |
03:16:17 | Stevie-O | close |
03:16:25 | Stevie-O | someone else asked that particular question |
03:16:31 | Stevie-O | My thoughts were |
03:16:42 | jzoss | ahhh. nevermind, then. =) I was just skimming the logs from today |
03:16:49 | Stevie-O | what if we could flip between the two screens by pressing UP |
03:16:58 | Stevie-O | then we could use F3 for something else |
03:17:09 | jzoss | Linux informed me a month ago when I tried to use UP for something on the quickmenu that it doesn't work. |
03:17:19 | Stevie-O | it doesn't work? |
03:17:22 | Stevie-O | I can't imagine why |
03:17:24 | jzoss | Like UP shares an interrupt with something. I don't remember the details. |
03:17:26 | Stevie-O | it works everywhere else |
03:17:40 | Stevie-O | I read somewhere about a certain *combination* of keys |
03:17:41 | Stevie-O | that conflicts |
03:17:46 | jzoss | {shrug}. If they had a search function for the IRC archives, I'd have the answer quick! =) |
03:17:49 | Stevie-O | I think ON+UP = F3 |
03:17:59 | jzoss | hmmm.... |
03:18:10 | jzoss | maybe that was it. |
03:18:21 | Stevie-O | that sounds about right |
03:18:23 | Stevie-O | lemme check sf |
03:18:25 | jzoss | I just know I tried to use UP in one of the recording quickmenus (F2) |
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03:18:31 | jzoss | And he said "no way!" |
03:18:35 | jzoss | Speaking of the man... |
03:18:50 | LinusN | the ON button uses the same A/D as the F-buttons |
03:18:52 | jzoss | Hiya, Linus! =) |
03:19:01 | LinusN | sorry, UP button |
03:19:03 | jzoss | I remembered you saying something like that. |
03:19:26 | Stevie-O | hey LinusN |
03:19:35 | LinusN | hi |
03:19:41 | Stevie-O | would you care to explain this A/D stuff to a new guy? |
03:19:45 | LinusN | sure |
03:19:54 | Stevie-O | I made the mistake of disregarding 'Keep out!' |
03:20:03 | LinusN | four buttons are connected to each A/D channel |
03:20:15 | Stevie-O | okay |
03:21:01 | Stevie-O | four buttons... |
03:21:19 | LinusN | each button connects to VCC via a resistor, different values for each button |
03:21:50 | LinusN | by reading the voltage we can determine which button is pushed |
03:23:02 | LinusN | however, if two buttons are pushed, the voltage will be different |
03:24:08 | LinusN | basically, the resistance is lowered for every extra button |
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03:26:36 | OneCluedCoder | blah. |
03:26:55 | OneCluedCoder | I haven't pinged out yet? |
03:27:23 | LinusN | ? |
03:27:29 | * | OneCluedCoder points to Stevie-O |
03:27:37 | OneCluedCoder | an inopportune dialup disconnection |
03:27:57 | OneCluedCoder | ok, so i have 3 fkeys + 4 directional + 1 play + 2 on/off = 10 buttons |
03:28:03 | OneCluedCoder | if there's 4 keys per channel |
03:28:08 | OneCluedCoder | that means 3 channels |
03:28:11 | LinusN | each button connects to VCC via a resistor, different values for each button |
03:28:15 | LinusN | by reading the voltage we can determine which button is pushed |
03:28:17 | LinusN | however, if two buttons are pushed, the voltage will be different |
03:28:21 | LinusN | basically, the resistance is lowered for every extra button |
03:28:25 | OneCluedCoder | yeah |
03:28:26 | OneCluedCoder | ok |
03:28:37 | OneCluedCoder | that's an interesting way of doing it... |
03:28:38 | LinusN | on/off are parallel port pins |
03:28:50 | LinusN | on the Recorder |
03:28:58 | LinusN | on the fm, they are A/D |
03:29:07 | OneCluedCoder | oh |
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03:29:18 | OneCluedCoder | which would be great |
03:29:25 | OneCluedCoder | because then there's no conflict with On/off |
03:29:28 | LinusN | should i kick Stevie-O? |
03:29:37 | OneCluedCoder | it won't get rid of him... |
03:29:47 | OneCluedCoder | so I'll still be stuck as OneCluedCoder until he pings out |
03:29:50 | Kick | (#rockbox Stevie-O :LinusN) by LinusN!~linus@labb.contactor.se |
03:29:59 | jzoss | let's all kick Stevie-O!! |
03:30:02 | jzoss | =) |
03:30:03 | OneCluedCoder | heh |
03:30:05 | OneCluedCoder | woah |
03:30:10 | OneCluedCoder | this ircd doesn't support WATCH |
03:30:14 | OneCluedCoder | now I won't even know when he dies =/ |
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03:30:34 | Stevie-O | pewf. |
03:30:44 | Stevie-O | ok |
03:30:57 | Stevie-O | so, parallel port pins are nice, cuz they won't conflict with A/D |
03:31:23 | Stevie-O | any of the numbers documented somewhere? |
03:32:29 | Stevie-O | btw... as of daily build for 4/28, I can't use the F2/F3 menus in Record mode |
03:32:43 | Stevie-O | i booted back to 2.0 and they worked there |
03:33:23 | Stevie-O | ok, CSI is finally on |
03:33:38 | LinusN | the f2/f3 in recording is intentional |
03:33:45 | Stevie-O | oh |
03:33:47 | Stevie-O | why is that? |
03:33:57 | LinusN | fiddling with those while recording will screw up the recording |
03:34:02 | Stevie-O | oh |
03:34:15 | Stevie-O | but when it's not recording? |
03:34:31 | LinusN | then it should work |
03:34:45 | LinusN | (oh= |
03:34:49 | LinusN | oops |
03:34:54 | Stevie-O | oops? |
03:35:00 | Stevie-O | missed a spot? ;) |
03:35:23 | Stevie-O | I added a completely useless feature |
03:35:45 | Stevie-O | it draws the display upside-down |
03:36:27 | jzoss | woohoo! =) |
03:36:33 | jzoss | Next step: rotate 90. |
03:36:40 | jzoss | Then arbitrary rotations + zooms. |
03:36:47 | jzoss | Then full OpenGL, baby! ;) |
03:37:03 | Stevie-O | HAHA |
03:37:09 | Stevie-O | actually, not really |
03:37:10 | Stevie-O | there's a command you can send to the LCD that inverts the line drawing order |
03:37:12 | LinusN | Stevie-O: fix committed |
03:37:19 | Stevie-O | ty :) |
03:37:25 | Stevie-O | I never noticed it cuz I don't really record anything |
03:37:29 | MT | noob question - wc afile - the 3 numbers returned are line count, word count, character count right? |
03:37:35 | Stevie-O | MT: yep |
03:37:47 | MT | damn \r\n |
03:37:49 | MT | ;) |
03:38:00 | Stevie-O | perl -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' |
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04:01:02 | Stevie-O | so |
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04:01:16 | Stevie-O | exactly what's the holdup on the FM thing? |
04:02:05 | LinusN | Stevie-O: ? |
04:02:10 | Stevie-O | oh |
04:02:11 | Stevie-O | FM decoding |
04:02:15 | Stevie-O | radio |
04:02:31 | Stevie-O | are you the only developer who has one? |
04:02:40 | LinusN | seems so |
04:02:42 | Stevie-O | oh |
04:02:53 | Stevie-O | that'll hold things up a bit |
04:03:06 | LinusN | i am listening to FM with Rockbox as we speak :-) |
04:03:10 | Stevie-O | hehe, nice |
04:03:22 | Stevie-O | hey, some guys are talking about ditching the F3 menu and using it for something else |
04:03:32 | LinusN | we all do |
04:03:38 | Stevie-O | oh |
04:03:39 | Stevie-O | well |
04:03:44 | Stevie-O | I put together some code |
04:04:02 | Stevie-O | that would make it easier to combine the two |
04:04:07 | Stevie-O | and switch between them using the UP key |
04:04:26 | LinusN | i think we should concentrate our efforts on the UI suf |
04:04:34 | LinusN | suggestion from Daniel |
04:04:41 | Stevie-O | hm? |
04:04:46 | LinusN | mailing list |
04:04:54 | Stevie-O | Daniel's suggestion is that we concentrate on the UI? |
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04:05:13 | LinusN | no, he made up a suggestion on new button assignments |
04:05:23 | Stevie-O | oh |
04:05:29 | Stevie-O | I don't know who Daniel is |
04:05:38 | LinusN | you don't subscribe to the mailing list? |
04:05:44 | Stevie-O | I subscribed a few days ago |
04:05:46 | LinusN | Daniel==Bagder |
04:05:54 | Stevie-O | oh, ok |
04:06:29 | Stevie-O | brb |
04:07:03 | LinusN | http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-04/0946.shtml |
04:08:03 | Stevie-O | ok |
04:10:02 | Stevie-O | so is the plan to ditch the F2+F3 menus entirely? |
04:12:03 | LinusN | there is no plan, only discussion |
04:12:29 | elinenbe | hi LinusN |
04:12:30 | LinusN | the plan is to improve the UI |
04:12:36 | LinusN | hi elinenbe |
04:12:37 | elinenbe | damn you up late! |
04:12:43 | LinusN | yup |
04:13:00 | elinenbe | LinusN: commit jzoss ID3 recording patch −− good stuff! |
04:13:05 | elinenbe | =) |
04:13:19 | jzoss | lol. thx, elinenbe. heh. |
04:13:32 | jzoss | it's not ready for recent rockbox, though. |
04:14:03 | Stevie-O | or is it that rockbox is not ready for it? ;) |
04:15:06 | parabolaa | could anyone recommend me if to buy archos player or recorder ? because i plan mostly to connect it stereo and only player has line out? |
04:15:26 | LinusN | parabolaa: recorder, definitely |
04:15:37 | jzoss | I second that. |
04:15:45 | parabolaa | but line out supposed to give better sound ? because not amplified ? |
04:15:50 | jzoss | Recorder headphone out works just fine for stereo connection for me. =) |
04:16:01 | elinenbe | LinusN: what would you reccommend now −− recorder or FM? |
04:16:07 | LinusN | recorder |
04:16:13 | parabolaa | both fm and recorder dont have line out |
04:16:19 | elinenbe | LinusN: because fo the batteries? |
04:16:30 | LinusN | because of the S/PDIF and remote control issues |
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04:16:36 | Stevie-O | S/PDIF ? |
04:16:42 | LinusN | digital I/O |
04:16:55 | Stevie-O | oh |
04:16:58 | parabolaa | in archos site theres this weird 'recorder deluxe' that has more stuff and specs says it has line out.... but it costs the same ?? weird.. |
04:17:08 | elinenbe | ah −− the recorder does not have 4 connections on the headphones input −− right? |
04:17:15 | LinusN | elinenbe: true |
04:17:21 | LinusN | the fm |
04:17:39 | BoD[] | it's 4:17 |
04:17:44 | LinusN | yup |
04:18:03 | BoD[] | i think it means |
04:18:13 | BoD[] | that it's bed time |
04:18:25 | Stevie-O | it's programming time? |
04:18:26 | BoD[] | at least for me :) |
04:18:26 | LinusN | or breakfast time, for early risers |
04:18:40 | parabolaa | is it true that even with rockbox the small background noise won't exist if i use archos player line out ?? |
04:18:44 | BoD[] | i woke up at 18:00 today |
04:19:00 | BoD[] | anyway... see you all ! bye |
04:19:08 | jzoss | bye |
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04:19:29 | LinusN | parabolaa: background noise is the same with rockbox on Player models |
04:19:48 | parabolaa | even when i use line out to stereo ? |
04:19:57 | parabolaa | because recorder doesnt have line out at all.. |
04:20:02 | LinusN | i'm not sure which noise you are talking about |
04:20:05 | parabolaa | (except digital) |
04:20:27 | parabolaa | i'm not sure either because i didnt buy it yet.. but forums talk about it.. |
04:20:54 | jzoss | recorder is so much better UI (and you can record!) =) |
04:21:08 | Stevie-O | the display is so sweet |
04:21:15 | LinusN | and the sound is much better |
04:21:17 | Stevie-O | I need to look into a hardware mod that increases the screensize |
04:21:38 | parabolaa | sound is much better in record ? how come ? only player has line out |
04:22:22 | LinusN | the Recorder has a better MP3 decoder qith much better sound controls |
04:22:35 | LinusN | s/qith/with/ |
04:23:03 | parabolaa | hmmmm |
04:24:13 | parabolaa | any idea about this 'recorder deluxe' model on archos.com ? they have a mistake there because same price like recorder ? |
04:24:54 | LinusN | url? |
04:25:29 | parabolaa | archos.com hmm? |
04:25:46 | LinusN | the url to this "deluxe recorder" |
04:25:53 | parabolaa | http://www.archos.com/lang=en//products/prw_500337.html |
04:26:36 | parabolaa | i clicked on archos.com / products / mp3 music / and at bottom one of the models is 'recorder deluxe' |
04:26:57 | LinusN | seems like the standard recorder plus a travel kit |
04:26:59 | parabolaa | which is weird because same price like normal recorder.. probably mistake..? |
04:27:19 | parabolaa | yes but in specs of 'recorder deluxe' it says it has analog line out |
04:27:43 | parabolaa | 'features and specs' |
04:28:14 | parabolaa | well says stereo line out in addition to ear |
04:28:29 | parabolaa | and normal recorder doesnt have this |
04:28:30 | Stevie-O | the 'features and specs' gave me a 404 |
04:28:45 | parabolaa | hmm works here now |
04:29:14 | parabolaa | Audio Specifications: Stereo Digital / Analog Line In, Stereo Line Out, and Earphone Jack. |
04:29:14 | parabolaa | Signal to noise ratio > 90dB. |
04:29:14 | parabolaa | |
04:30:16 | Stevie-O | that says stereo line out, not analog line out |
04:30:31 | parabolaa | yes but normal recorder doesnt say this |
04:30:41 | LinusN | Stereo Digital Line In/Out, Stereo Analog Line in, Stereo Analog Line Out/Earphone Jack. |
04:30:43 | parabolaa | so assumed they meant analog ? |
04:30:47 | LinusN | says the "normal" recorder |
04:31:05 | LinusN | fishy |
04:31:20 | parabolaa | hmmmmm |
04:31:30 | jzoss | silly webmaster made a typo, probably |
04:31:52 | LinusN | i don't think so |
04:32:11 | parabolaa | yes i think in the normal recorder when they say 'Stereo Analog Line Out/Earphone Jack' they that they are both the same one output |
04:32:15 | LinusN | looks like they cut the Digital Out feature, just like on the FM |
04:32:43 | jzoss | indeed |
04:32:55 | LinusN | yuck |
04:32:58 | jzoss | bleh. I'd gladly take digital out over line out. |
04:33:22 | * | Stevie-O downloads specsheets at a killer 3kb/s |
04:35:01 | parabolaa | hehe in recorde deluxe its "Stereo Line Out, and Earphone Jack" -so my wild interpretation is based on the comma "," in deluxe model.. :) |
04:37:05 | LinusN | parabolaa: but they left out the "Out" in the digital interface |
04:37:25 | LinusN | i think they sacrificed the Digital out for a Line Out |
04:37:35 | parabolaa | yes but my stereo dont have digital anyway:( |
04:38:05 | parabolaa | how is convertor from digital to analog for the recorder ? will give better sound than using ear ? |
04:38:25 | LinusN | huh? |
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04:38:46 | parabolaa | i read u can buy in radio shack etc convertor from digital to analog |
04:38:47 | Freek | hey |
04:39:16 | LinusN | hi |
04:39:34 | Freek | I have a question: is it possible to compile rockbox on mac? |
04:39:37 | parabolaa | so with recorder use digital out to convertor and from that to stereo.. i wonder if thats better than ear.. |
04:40:47 | LinusN | Freek: yes, if you can build a cross GCC on it |
04:41:00 | LinusN | parabolaa: should be |
04:41:45 | Freek | hmm pardon my ignorance, but what exactly did you just say? i'm not much (not at all, actually) of a programmer, but i know some code, and want to change a few small things |
04:42:05 | Stevie-O | well |
04:42:09 | jzoss | you have to compile your changes, right? |
04:42:10 | Stevie-O | it seems complicated |
04:42:15 | Stevie-O | but it's actually not so bad |
04:42:21 | jzoss | But rockbox does not run the same processor as your mac |
04:42:34 | jzoss | So you build a compiler on the mac that compiles things to run on your archos |
04:42:58 | Freek | does anyone know of a prebuilt mac compiler? |
04:43:33 | jzoss | Not for SH1 (what archos uses), I don't know. sorry |
04:43:41 | Freek | argh |
04:43:43 | parabolaa | how come you guys claim rockbox cannot support .wav format etc because the hardware only decodes mp3, but on the other hand archos's site says that they plan to support .wma with new firmware ? |
04:44:15 | LinusN | parabolaa: we didn't say that it isn't possible |
04:44:21 | Stevie-O | because THEY know how their chip works |
04:44:22 | Stevie-O | :P |
04:44:27 | LinusN | just that it isn't possible *for us* |
04:44:36 | parabolaa | ahmmm |
04:44:37 | Stevie-O | (shocking) |
04:45:03 | parabolaa | so u think it is theoretically possible to also play ogg vorbis on archos ? |
04:45:26 | LinusN | no |
04:45:27 | parabolaa | i.e. archos hardware is powerful enough ? |
04:45:58 | LinusN | to little memory on the dsp |
04:47:02 | parabolaa | hmm i dont know much about ogg.. is it that much more demanding than mp3 ? memory-wise ? |
04:47:19 | LinusN | huge lookup tables |
04:48:30 | parabolaa | ok |
04:50:44 | parabolaa | the memory on dsp is not same thing as the 2meg buffer right? |
04:50:50 | LinusN | no |
04:51:17 | parabolaa | how much memory on dsp ? |
04:51:36 | parabolaa | where can i see archos hardware info ? |
04:51:37 | LinusN | 4kbyte |
04:52:04 | Freek | hmm |
04:52:08 | parabolaa | hmm u know how does it compare to ipod hardware ? ipod could support ogg ? |
04:52:45 | LinusN | ipod has a dual ARM CPU |
04:52:55 | LinusN | archos has a dedicated mp3 chip |
04:53:07 | LinusN | like comparing apples and oranges |
04:53:11 | Freek | wow, so thats why its $300 more |
04:53:48 | jzoss | nah. It's $300 more becuse it's apple. =) |
04:53:52 | parabolaa | so u estimate that ipod could support .ogg ? |
04:53:59 | Freek | haha |
04:54:11 | Freek | yeah, well, thats apple for ya |
04:55:18 | LinusN | gotta sleep now |
04:55:21 | Stevie-O | holy fsck |
04:55:22 | LinusN | cu guys |
04:55:27 | Freek | k bye |
04:55:29 | jzoss | enjoy your hour or so of sleep. =) |
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04:55:38 | Freek | heh |
04:55:42 | Stevie-O | the display on the Recorder/FM |
04:55:56 | Stevie-O | draws between 5 and 6 times the power when we're writing to it |
04:55:57 | Freek | ??? |
04:56:05 | Stevie-O | as it does when it's just being displayed |
04:56:10 | Freek | oh |
04:56:12 | Freek | huh |
04:56:31 | Stevie-O | 60-100uA while just displaying |
04:56:49 | Stevie-O | 300-600uA while it's being accessed |
04:57:10 | Stevie-O | hmm |
04:57:13 | Freek | dam |
04:57:19 | parabolaa | how do u measure this? |
04:57:22 | Stevie-O | well that's with the Voltage Generator off |
04:57:24 | Stevie-O | I don't |
04:57:32 | Stevie-O | the Rockbox website has the datasheet |
04:57:34 | Freek | whered you find it then |
04:57:35 | Stevie-O | which has all these measurements |
04:57:36 | Freek | oh |
04:57:54 | Stevie-O | now, the question is −− are we using the Voltage Generator? |
04:57:58 | Stevie-O | Linus would know that |
04:58:00 | Stevie-O | too bad he left =/ |
04:59:43 | Freek | sorry to stray back to my question, but just to be sure: does anyone know of a prebuilt Mac OS Classic compiler? |
04:59:53 | Stevie-O | not to my knowledge |
04:59:58 | Stevie-O | is there a gcc for MacOS? |
05:00 |
05:00:05 | Stevie-O | a cygwin equivalent |
05:00:07 | Freek | just checked, no |
05:00:48 | jzoss | If you're really desperate to compile some rockbox, you can install linux on your mac, and run gcc from there. =) |
05:01:04 | Stevie-O | lol |
05:01:04 | Stevie-O | yeah |
05:01:08 | Freek | hehe too lazy |
05:01:16 | Freek | argh |
05:01:24 | Freek | i'll go bang my head on a wall now |
05:01:36 | Stevie-O | find a bootdisk |
05:01:38 | Stevie-O | :P |
05:01:42 | Stevie-O | or build a linux bawx |
05:02:08 | Freek | heh once again, too lazy |
05:02:49 | parabolaa | i'm sure there is gcc for mac.. no? |
05:03:02 | Freek | i just checked, man |
05:03:04 | Freek | no dice |
05:03:32 | parabolaa | hmm?! |
05:03:42 | parabolaa | http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-3.2/buildstat.html |
05:04:12 | parabolaa | powerpc-apple-darwin6.5 Mac OS X 10.2.5 |
05:04:13 | parabolaa | etc |
05:04:37 | Freek | yes, but for mac os 9? |
05:04:39 | Freek | no |
05:05:12 | Freek | ah what the hell, i'll dl em all and try em |
05:05:26 | parabolaa | well i know this about mac myself.. there are 7 apple releases there.. |
05:05:28 | Stevie-O | lol |
05:05:46 | parabolaa | know nothing i mean |
05:06:25 | Freek | no one makes stuff for mac os 7-9 anymore |
05:06:27 | Freek | :( |
05:06:39 | parabolaa | why do u use it then?:) |
05:06:56 | Freek | because my computer is a pile of shiat |
05:07:09 | Freek | i cant run osx |
05:07:10 | parabolaa | use linux ? |
05:07:28 | Freek | i could, possibly, but my hard drive is only 3GB |
05:07:36 | Freek | which is why i say its crap |
05:08:03 | Freek | and i dare you to tell me it isn't ;) |
05:08:09 | Stevie-O | wow, that is crap! |
05:08:15 | Freek | yeah |
05:08:27 | Stevie-O | ;) |
05:08:38 | Stevie-O | ok, I just downloaded the source to look for something |
05:08:42 | Freek | It's a hand-me-down, what should i expect? |
05:08:43 | Stevie-O | oh yeah |
05:08:45 | Freek | :-\ |
05:08:47 | Stevie-O | the lcd driver |
05:11:13 | Stevie-O | wow |
05:11:13 | Stevie-O | hmm |
05:11:22 | Freek | what? |
05:12:13 | Stevie-O | well |
05:12:23 | Stevie-O | when we write to the display |
05:12:33 | Stevie-O | we do a lot of writing :-o |
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09:05:24 | webmind | morning |
09:05:35 | Bagder | hi |
09:06:01 | webmind | Bagder, do u know who maintains the faq's? |
09:06:28 | Bagder | adi does most of it |
09:07:37 | webmind | ok |
09:08:24 | dwihno | MORNING! :D |
09:08:26 | dwihno | HEJ HEJ! |
09:08:34 | Bagder | hi dw |
09:08:54 | dwihno | :-D |
09:09:06 | dwihno | I am glad todaj :-) <−− see |
09:15:46 | Bagder | 181 differrent persons mailed the rockbox list in April |
09:16:33 | webmind | hi dwihno |
09:16:44 | webmind | dwihno, good.. why? |
09:23:01 | dwihno | webmind: it's FRIDAY! :D |
09:23:02 | dwihno | Yay! |
09:23:17 | dwihno | is it possible to get some kind of platform indicator in a gnu makefile without calling external progs? |
09:23:26 | webmind | yay |
09:23:38 | webmind | dwihno, but weekends are usually boring. |
09:23:39 | dwihno | reading environment vars might be an idea (such as COMSPEC, since it's win only afaik) |
09:23:40 | Bagder | dwihno: I don't think so |
09:23:44 | dwihno | webmind: nah, they are not! :) |
09:23:52 | dwihno | Bagder: you got a digital camera, no? |
09:23:57 | Bagder | I do |
09:23:57 | webmind | dwihno, if u have uplink or something to do.. |
09:25:52 | dwihno | Bagder: tell me more :-) |
09:26:13 | dwihno | webmind: I got no uplink, but a ton of ideas and goofy friends :) |
09:26:27 | Bagder | dwihno: ah, its an old canon power shot s20, 256mb CF |
09:26:38 | Bagder | 3 mpixels |
09:27:05 | webmind | dwihno, that is nice then yes |
09:27:46 | dwihno | Bagder: the delays when taking a photo, is that because of the hardware writing to the flash card? |
09:28:01 | dwihno | webmind: yea :) weekends are neato |
09:28:02 | Bagder | I doubt that |
09:28:17 | dwihno | what is the delay then? |
09:28:28 | dwihno | I'm considering a camera, and I want to do proper research before I do. |
09:28:32 | webmind | dwihno, if u have the ideas yes |
09:28:42 | dwihno | and what is the megapixels a measurement of? |
09:29:04 | Bagder | X * Y = |
09:29:21 | Bagder | my camera takes 2048 x 1536 |
09:29:37 | Bagder | 3145728 pixels |
09:29:56 | webmind | dwihno, i'd say look amount of megapixels, res, and interface, and test for quality |
09:30:02 | * | webmind ordered a canon |
09:30:12 | webmind | should be nice |
09:30:14 | Bagder | I'm very happy with mine |
09:30:38 | dwihno | Bagder: ah, so it's just the resolution ... :) I thought that, but I thought that was a way silly measurement |
09:31:02 | dwihno | Damn you, evil camera manufacturers :) |
09:31:14 | Bagder | I think it is made to make a technical measurement sound easier |
09:31:31 | dwihno | yea |
09:31:39 | dwihno | (but they are still evil) :) |
09:31:40 | webmind | Bagder, ordered de a70 about same res |
09:32:14 | dwihno | Are there any power consumption measurements regarding different types of flash memory somewhere on the web? |
09:33:17 | Bagder | megapixel.net is a nice digicam site |
09:33:30 | Bagder | they have reviews of LOADS of digital cameras |
09:34:49 | dwihno | whoa :D |
09:35:05 | dwihno | but how about flash memory types? |
09:35:21 | Bagder | CF rocks ;-) |
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09:38:17 | dwihno | But is power insans |
09:38:19 | dwihno | insane |
09:39:09 | Bagder | well, afaik its the only sensible kind, what alternative are you considering? |
09:39:09 | webmind | CF is nice... |
09:39:16 | webmind | SD ? :) |
09:41:23 | dwihno | Is SD bad? |
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09:41:28 | dwihno | Sensible? |
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09:42:20 | webmind | SD is i think better then CF but CF is IDE/pcmcia compatible ? |
09:42:43 | Bagder | I thought most cameras were CF today |
09:42:59 | dwihno | My dad showed me his camera yesterday, and I was quite impressed. |
09:43:06 | dwihno | Small, yet powerful. |
09:43:24 | dwihno | It was excellent at shooting in my (dark) apartment |
09:43:46 | dwihno | (and yes, I will get new light bulbs today) :) |
09:43:55 | webmind | Bagder, a lot aren't |
09:44:12 | Bagder | I haven't really kept up with those details ;-) |
09:45:34 | dwihno | Shame on you! :) |
09:45:41 | Hes | CF is nice, loads of companies making them, and the IDE/PCMCIA compatibility is cool. The adapters are cheap. |
09:46:00 | * | Hes is very happy with his Canon S30 |
09:48:39 | dwihno | One thing I hate about those cameras is the software required for camera connectivity |
09:48:56 | Bagder | s10sh! |
09:48:57 | Bagder | ;-) |
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09:49:24 | Bagder | that's the name of the linux program I use for it |
09:49:51 | Bagder | I too would rather have the camera appear as a disk |
09:50:09 | Hes | Heh, yeah, I wrote a perl script around gphoto2 to automatically retrieve stuff |
09:50:36 | Hes | i wish it had an ATA-USB bridge chip like the archos 8-) |
09:51:00 | dwihno | The Pentax model he showed me had such a thingy |
09:51:10 | Bagder | that's nice |
09:51:14 | dwihno | yeah |
09:51:30 | dwihno | plug in, run script, eject |
09:51:34 | Bagder | but did they achieve that with their own magic special driver? |
09:51:36 | Hes | sometimes I take the CF and put it in the CF USB or PCMCIA adapters I have |
09:51:53 | dwihno | Bagder: I didn't find out. I'm going to talk to him later on. |
09:51:58 | Hes | a little harder than plugging in the USB cable, but not too much |
09:52:01 | dwihno | Magic Special Driver (tm) :) |
09:52:19 | Bagder | because if it doesn't work with Linux.... |
09:52:30 | Hes | gphoto2 talks to a good bunch of cameras |
09:52:44 | Hes | with it I can do the plug in, run (my perl) script, unplug trick. |
09:52:58 | Hes | although the camera does not look like a disk. |
09:53:08 | Bagder | yeah, I can do that with s10sh too |
09:54:10 | Hes | Some guys have tried to hack it a little: http://www.darkskiez.co.uk/digital.html |
09:54:37 | dwihno | Bagder: true, true. I'm also allergic to "custom special drivers" :-/ |
09:54:45 | dwihno | (even I actually mostly use wintendo) |
09:54:58 | Hes | Still a bit far from http://digita.mame.net/ |
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10:00:39 | Bagder | bbl |
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10:11:44 | Mojo1 | Anyone know of new code that let's you use the FM function? |
10:13:03 | dwihno | Linus is working on it, I think. He had some register reading working already. |
10:13:13 | Mojo1 | anyone have the FM recorder/player? |
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10:16:36 | mojo1 | I love Rockbox!!! |
10:16:43 | webmind | good :) |
10:17:30 | webmind | dwihno, that's the nice thing with CF.. |
10:17:40 | webmind | no crappy software needed |
10:18:52 | mojo1 | Anyone have the FM recorder? |
10:19:33 | dwihno | webmind: well, there are card readers for virtually any type of card.. |
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10:22:05 | mojo1 | Anyone know if ROLO is the best way to use the FM function? |
10:22:38 | webmind | dwihno, uhm.. yes but with CF u can use CF->IDE, and then u could use your archos :) |
10:23:05 | * | webmind pokes adi|work |
10:24:32 | dwihno | webmind: true, that would be neato :) |
10:25:06 | Hes | Yeah, CF adapter for the player/recorder |
10:25:21 | webmind | going to order one.... |
10:25:23 | Hes | then some rockbox code to move the images from the CF to the internal disk |
10:25:24 | webmind | dunno when though |
10:25:40 | webmind | Hes, uhm.. then u need to connect to disks... |
10:25:44 | Hes | nice for the traveller. |
10:25:46 | webmind | hmm would that be possible ? |
10:25:52 | webmind | to=2 |
10:25:52 | Hes | I don't see why not. |
10:26:22 | Hes | Some archos boxes have the disk as master, some as slave, and rockbox detects if the disk is master/slave |
10:26:31 | Hes | it wouldn't be impossible to detect two disks. |
10:26:55 | webmind | can the controller handle it ? |
10:27:12 | webmind | i mean.. this would be really cool |
10:27:18 | dwihno | how would you fit it? |
10:27:32 | Hes | The mechanical part would be the hardest thing 8-) |
10:27:44 | webmind | dwihno, i dont have a casing.. just build a hardware mod to connect to disks to 1 connector ? |
10:28:05 | webmind | shouldn't be much a of problem |
10:28:17 | webmind | maybe use a 44pin ide cable ? |
10:28:19 | Hes | Would be pretty nice, could offload the photos to the disk, no need to buy lots/huge CF cards, or carry a laptop around on a long journey |
10:28:28 | webmind | uhuh |
10:28:36 | dwihno | :-) |
10:28:41 | dwihno | Hes: get more flash! :D |
10:28:42 | webmind | or buy one fo those expensive devices that do exactly this |
10:28:52 | webmind | dwihno, flash goes up to only 1gb |
10:28:56 | webmind | harddisks 60gb |
10:29:14 | Hes | I just got a 256M CF card last week at ~70euro, not too bad |
10:29:28 | Hes | a huge addition to the 128M card I had |
10:29:45 | * | webmind got 3 128mb CF's of my work.. 2 have to be activly used though |
10:29:49 | Hes | you can also get IBM CF hard disks, they're pretty cool, but expensive as well |
10:29:58 | Hes | hard disks in the form of a CF card |
10:30:07 | webmind | but i'd love it i could make images or copy the date from my CF to my rockbox |
10:30:18 | webmind | Hes, still max 2gb |
10:30:33 | dwihno | webmind: 1 gb should be enough for everyone! :) |
10:30:33 | webmind | and CF has the down side of a max of a few thousand writes |
10:30:38 | Hes | 1G or 2G would be enough for the travelling I do 8-) |
10:30:45 | webmind | dwihno, tooo expensive |
10:33:43 | mojo1 | FM recorder anyone? |
10:36:22 | mojo1 | can anyone see my questions?? |
10:37:54 | Hes | We can see you... but apparently no-one having an FM is around |
10:38:12 | mojo1 | ok thanks... |
10:38:25 | Hes | you can only get a positive answer to that question on an IRC channel 8-) |
10:38:37 | Hes | if there's no-one here => no answer. |
10:39:06 | dwihno | Zagor, where are you!? :) |
10:39:59 | mojo1 | anyone have any idea when 2.1 is coming? |
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10:42:48 | dwihno | Haha |
10:42:51 | dwihno | :-) |
10:42:56 | #>> | "explain 2.1" by dwihno (dwihno@h193180246067.kommunicera.umea.se) |
10:43:29 | Hes | I guess the answer was 'no'. |
10:43:59 | dwihno | Just when 2.0 is out and all... |
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10:56:52 | webmind | where's the faq dude... |
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11:00:20 | dwihno | Whoa |
11:03:40 | webmind | bu uhm.. would multiple hd support be hard software wise ? |
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11:05:13 | dwihno | Bagder: The Windows 2000 "storage drivers" do not include the ISD200 for instance. Do you think they only support fully mass-storage compliant controllers? |
11:05:52 | Bagder | possible, yes |
11:05:56 | dwihno | Ah |
11:06:36 | dwihno | I'm looking at the specs of the camera I saw yesterday, and it seems it only requires drivers for Win98. |
11:07:13 | dwihno | The best part: they have a retail shop in my part of the city! :D I'll go there with my freebsd-laptop and test it :-) |
11:07:27 | dwihno | But 9200 for the entire package is a bit hefty :/ |
11:11:42 | webmind | dwihno, what camera ? |
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11:14:52 | webmind | is it correct that i cant submit feature requests without logging in ? |
11:15:22 | Bagder | yes |
11:15:26 | webmind | uhm |
11:15:27 | webmind | damn |
11:15:44 | webmind | i hate having 1001 accounts for all those sites |
11:16:08 | Bagder | we get too many bogus requests otherwise |
11:16:16 | webmind | wel yes.. |
11:16:29 | webmind | but i cant remember that many passwords u know.. |
11:17:08 | Bagder | hehe |
11:17:21 | dwihno | webmind: pentax optio 550 |
11:17:36 | dwihno | webmind: but that includes a 256 meg SD + an extra battery |
11:18:08 | webmind | dwihno, how many MP ? |
11:18:52 | dwihno | 5 |
11:19:47 | webmind | nice... |
11:20:32 | dwihno | It seems like it is mass storage compliant as well. |
11:20:58 | webmind | i got a canon a70 + extra 2000mah bat's for E440 |
11:22:29 | dwihno | aah |
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11:59:04 | Zagor | ken0 is back on good old form |
11:59:27 | dwihno | Zagoren :) |
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12:06:36 | Zagor | dwihno: have you tried the ata patch I posted on the list? |
12:08:58 | dwihno | Zagor: Ah, thanks for reminding me... I KNEW there was something I wanted to ask you :) |
12:09:10 | dwihno | Zagor: Actually, I have not. Could you please cook me a ajz? |
12:09:47 | dwihno | I think I've found an excellent digital camera which boasts mass storage compliance! |
12:09:56 | Zagor | nice |
12:10:48 | webmind | can someone submit a feature request for me maybe? sf is giving me hell |
12:12:23 | Schnueff | hm there's a vbrfixer for unix now |
12:12:35 | Schnueff | http://www.willwap.co.uk/Programs/vbrfix.html, have not checked out yet |
12:12:47 | Bagder | any comment on my mail-version of the digest: |
12:12:49 | Bagder | http://rockbox.haxx.se/digest/digest.mail |
12:12:57 | Schnueff | http://rockbox.haxx.se/digest/digest.mail |
12:13:02 | Schnueff | eh sorry for pasting |
12:13:08 | webmind | ok :) |
12:13:20 | Bagder | hehe |
12:13:23 | Zagor | Bagder: it's in the wrong order |
12:13:25 | * | Zagor ducks |
12:13:27 | Schnueff | heh |
12:13:31 | Bagder | hahaha |
12:13:31 | Schnueff | i like * for bullets better |
12:14:13 | Bagder | * it is now |
12:14:18 | Zagor | dwihno: I can upload a patched version for you if you like |
12:15:14 | Schnueff | Bagder: u don't need to list mail links at the bottom ([8]) |
12:15:27 | Schnueff | (if they are spelled out always at the top) |
12:16:00 | Zagor | yeah, maybe the links should be after each item instead of last in the mail |
12:16:04 | Bagder | well, the list below hows the href part while the text includes the stuff within the <a> </a> so they might not both look the same |
12:16:22 | Bagder | Zagor: you mean after each date? |
12:16:29 | Zagor | yeah |
12:16:38 | Zagor | makes it easier to navigate |
12:16:55 | Bagder | I'll try that and see how it looks |
12:17:04 | Schnueff | Bagder: yeah sure, depends, if you have a special way to put in mailto: links |
12:18:26 | Bagder | I add the links the same way in my source doc: LINK("link", text) |
12:21:45 | Bagder | try now |
12:22:02 | Bagder | I would need a more visible divider I guess |
12:22:50 | Zagor | I think this is good |
12:23:14 | Zagor | I like the rumour :-) |
12:23:23 | Bagder | hehe |
12:23:34 | Bagder | a bird whispered in my ear |
12:24:04 | Bagder | is this separator better or worse? |
12:25:27 | Zagor | better, i think |
12:25:37 | Bagder | I think so too |
12:25:51 | | Part TotMacherr |
12:31:57 | Bagder | but with this link-system, my nice hack that re-uses numbers isn't as obvious! :-) |
12:35:11 | Zagor | haha |
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12:46:25 | dwihno | Zagor: that would be kind of you |
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12:52:18 | Zagor | dwihno: http://rockbox.haxx.se/test/standby.ajz |
12:54:12 | Bagder | my "coming up next" hack is quite need |
12:54:14 | Bagder | neat |
12:54:19 | Bagder | needs some more work though |
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12:57:15 | dwihno | Zagor: got it |
12:57:21 | dwihno | Zagor: I'll test it during the weekend. |
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13:37:54 | quelsaruk | morning, afternoon, or whatever you like best :) |
13:42:30 | quelsaruk | anyone awake? |
13:43:11 | * | Bagder mumbles and goes back to sleep |
13:43:39 | quelsaruk | bagder, do you remember dwihno's webpage? |
13:43:43 | quelsaruk | pliiizzz |
13:43:58 | Bagder | no I don't |
13:44:30 | quelsaruk | btw, i have to modify splash function or create a new one for my sub-menu idea. |
13:44:37 | Bagder | yes |
13:48:28 | quelsaruk | i'm leaving, cu later (maybe) :) |
13:48:54 | quelsaruk | have a nice weekend, bagder |
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13:49:07 | * | Stevie[FP] is back from [g0n3] [gone 13hrs 37mins 52secs] [KS] |
13:49:22 | Stevie[FP] | mornin |
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13:53:37 | Stevie[FP] | wtf |
13:53:40 | Stevie[FP] | what is this rockbox_fprintf |
13:54:32 | Bagder | see sprintf.h in the sim dir |
13:54:57 | * | Stevie[FP] makes clean |
13:55:47 | Stevie[FP] | settings.c:1115: undefined reference to `rockbox_fprintf' |
13:55:50 | Stevie[FP] | >:( |
13:55:54 | Stevie[FP] | yet the website says it built OK |
13:56:12 | Stevie[FP] | hm |
13:56:15 | Stevie[FP] | actually, no, it doesn't |
13:56:24 | Stevie[FP] | it doesn't list anything for 'FM Sim Win32' |
13:56:46 | Bagder | true |
13:57:33 | Bagder | still, that fprintf thing works the same |
13:57:39 | Stevie[FP] | hm |
13:58:25 | Bagder | do you link with sprintf.o ? |
13:58:36 | Bagder | I mean, is that among the objects |
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14:00:16 | Stevie[FP] | hmmm |
14:00:47 | Stevie[FP] | ohhh |
14:00:52 | Stevie[FP] | you guys DID break it at some point |
14:00:56 | Stevie[FP] | but there's a flaw in the build process |
14:01:02 | Stevie[FP] | so that's why you never noticed it |
14:01:13 | * | Stevie[FP] sighs |
14:01:24 | Bagder | ? |
14:01:54 | Stevie[FP] | well |
14:02:04 | Stevie[FP] | there's a slight flaw in the way we do our Makefiles |
14:02:08 | Stevie[FP] | we cheat a bit |
14:02:18 | Stevie[FP] | instead of explicitly listing the .o files to be linked |
14:02:20 | Stevie[FP] | we just use *.o |
14:02:21 | Bagder | yes |
14:02:37 | Stevie[FP] | the Makefiles aren't building sprintf.o |
14:02:44 | Stevie[FP] | but if you don't run Make Clean first |
14:03:02 | Stevie[FP] | an earlier build will have left one around |
14:03:10 | Bagder | right |
14:03:25 | Bagder | I see how this happens |
14:03:29 | Stevie[FP] | that would be why the website doesn't catch it |
14:03:34 | Bagder | no |
14:03:35 | Stevie[FP] | or whoever tests the builds doesn't catch it |
14:03:52 | Bagder | the website doesn't see this because I haven't messed with the build dir like you have ;-) |
14:04:04 | Bagder | besides |
14:04:05 | Stevie[FP] | i didn't so much 'mess' with the build dir |
14:04:14 | Bagder | that one makes 'make clean' before it builds it |
14:04:19 | Stevie[FP] | hmm |
14:04:20 | Stevie[FP] | weird |
14:07:58 | Bagder | doesn't that work for you? |
14:08:05 | Stevie[FP] | if I just use |
14:08:08 | Stevie[FP] | ../tools/configure |
14:08:14 | Stevie[FP] | and follow the directions |
14:08:16 | Stevie[FP] | then 'make' |
14:08:21 | Stevie[FP] | it complains about a lack of rockbox_fprintf |
14:09:28 | Bagder | what Makefile in the uisim/win32 are you using then? |
14:09:33 | Bagder | are you using cygwin? |
14:09:34 | Stevie[FP] | I don't know? |
14:09:43 | Stevie[FP] | yeah, since that's what all the directions say |
14:10:18 | Bagder | then I think I know |
14:10:55 | Stevie[FP] | fiddling around I found out that there's a Makefile.vc6 |
14:11:07 | Stevie[FP] | i tried nmake, but that had other missing crap |
14:11:10 | Bagder | try this: |
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14:11:29 | Quelsaruk | ok, i'm back again |
14:11:31 | Quelsaruk | :P |
14:11:32 | Stevie[FP] | wb again |
14:11:33 | Stevie[FP] | :P |
14:11:35 | Bagder | add the "EXTRAFIRMSRC = sprintf.c" after line 77 in the uisim/win32/Makefile |
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14:14:14 | Stevie[FP] | ack |
14:14:28 | Stevie[FP] | its stuck Always on Top |
14:15:26 | Bagder | well, that's beyond me ;-) |
14:15:45 | Stevie[FP] | is there any way to tell it which dir to treat as the root? |
14:15:59 | Bagder | "archos" in the dir you start it in |
14:16:21 | Stevie[FP] | no, it's using C:\ |
14:16:28 | Bagder | oh |
14:16:54 | Bagder | I don't think that is the intention |
14:17:04 | Stevie[FP] | well, it's starting there anyway |
14:17:36 | Bagder | sorry |
14:17:39 | Bagder | I'm wrong |
14:17:59 | Bagder | there's no code dealing with redirecting path in the win sim |
14:18:05 | Bagder | afaict |
14:22:19 | Stevie[FP] | woah |
14:22:28 | Stevie[FP] | the win32 opendir is quite convoluted... |
14:24:17 | Stevie[FP] | esp since |
14:24:22 | Stevie[FP] | uh |
14:24:37 | Stevie[FP] | you can use '/' to separate pathnames on Win32 |
14:24:54 | Stevie[FP] | I can definitely confirm this on win2k, but I'm pretty sure it also applies to the other versions |
14:25:04 | Zagor | I don't think it works on win9x |
14:25:25 | Stevie[FP] | do we have anyone here with win9x? |
14:25:42 | * | Stevie[FP] pokes the idle people |
14:26:16 | Stevie[FP] | I don't have definite confirmation of this |
14:26:30 | Stevie[FP] | but I think this method even worked in some DOS versions |
14:26:47 | Stevie[FP] | the only reason you couldn't use it was, the command interpreter took '/' as an argument separator |
14:27:02 | Zagor | yes |
14:27:19 | Zagor | that still applies to cmd.exe in winxp |
14:27:34 | Stevie[FP] | it applies to win2k too |
14:27:35 | Zagor | afaik |
14:27:37 | Stevie[FP] | but inside of a program |
14:33:50 | Stevie[FP] | btw |
14:33:58 | Stevie[FP] | MAX_PATH on win32 is 260, not 256 |
14:35:53 | Zagor | yes |
14:35:56 | Quelsaruk | going out again |
14:36:03 | Quelsaruk | lunch time :) |
14:36:29 | Zagor | rockbox/firmare/include/file.h:#define MAX_PATH 260 |
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14:37:44 | Stevie[FP] | int win32_rename(char *oldpath, char* newpath) |
14:37:44 | Stevie[FP] | { |
14:37:44 | Stevie[FP] | char buffer1[256]; |
14:37:44 | Stevie[FP] | char buffer2[256]; |
14:37:49 | Stevie[FP] | win32/io.c |
14:37:52 | Zagor | boo |
14:38:00 | Zagor | slap whoever wrote that :-) |
14:38:07 | Stevie[FP] | * Copyright (C) 2002 Daniel Stenberg |
14:38:11 | Zagor | hehe |
14:38:14 | dwihno | :-) |
14:38:17 | * | Stevie[FP] eyes Bagder |
14:38:21 | Bagder | hehe |
14:38:25 | Bagder | its the same in the x11 version |
14:38:33 | Stevie[FP] | hm |
14:39:50 | Stevie[FP] | you know |
14:39:57 | Stevie[FP] | sprintf(buffer1, "%s%s", SIMULATOR_ARCHOS_ROOT, oldpath); |
14:40:09 | Stevie[FP] | SIMULATOR_ARCHOS_ROOT is a compile-time constant |
14:40:24 | Stevie[FP] | sprintf(buffer1, SIMULATOR_ARCHOS_ROOT "%s", oldpath); <- would work too |
14:40:30 | Bagder | yes |
14:41:01 | Bagder | but its simulator code |
14:41:06 | Bagder | it doesn't need to be perfect |
14:41:20 | Stevie[FP] | true. |
14:41:36 | * | Stevie[FP] patches and makes... |
14:43:14 | Stevie[FP] | ack |
14:43:19 | Stevie[FP] | klozoff.com is going to expire |
14:50:54 | Stevie[FP] | wth |
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14:51:11 | TBoy | hoi |
14:51:46 | TBoy | bagder |
14:52:00 | Bagder | yes? |
14:52:21 | TBoy | did LinusN say anything more about listening to the radio on his fm |
14:52:23 | Stevie[FP] | damn |
14:52:26 | Stevie[FP] | we need an emulator |
14:52:48 | TBoy | than just that he listened to it |
14:52:51 | Bagder | TBoy: more? he said he could listen to a local station |
14:53:08 | Bagder | that the spec wasn't correct about how to program the pll |
14:53:19 | TBoy | ohh |
14:53:56 | Stevie[FP] | heh |
14:53:59 | Stevie[FP] | fun. |
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14:58:45 | Stevie[FP] | My brother happened to mention to me that his FM wouldn't boot |
14:59:02 | Stevie[FP] | the startup screen's bar got to halfway and it just froze |
14:59:15 | Stevie[FP] | turns out that there was a filesystem error |
15:00 |
15:02:53 | Stevie[FP] | hmm |
15:02:55 | Stevie[FP] | hey Bagder |
15:03:58 | Bagder | I'm off for a cup of tea for a while |
15:04:11 | Stevie[FP] | how long is a while? |
15:04:18 | Bagder | 30 mins |
15:04:32 | Stevie[FP] | ok |
15:04:33 | Stevie[FP] | cya |
15:11:33 | Stevie[FP] | hmm |
15:11:57 | Stevie[FP] | is it a problem if set_option() doesn't call lcd_stop_scroll() if you connect the USB? |
15:12:38 | Zagor | yes |
15:13:01 | Zagor | or, rather we could change it so the usb screen always calls stop_scroll |
15:13:07 | Stevie[FP] | well |
15:13:10 | Stevie[FP] | it doesn't seem to do anything |
15:13:14 | Stevie[FP] | I picked a big font |
15:13:26 | Stevie[FP] | went to a setting with a big enough name to scroll |
15:13:45 | Stevie[FP] | plugged in USB, unplugged USB −− looks fine |
15:16:02 | Stevie[FP] | Zagor, question 12 on the Batteries/Charging FAQ mentions some info on power consumption |
15:16:11 | Stevie[FP] | do you know who took those measurements? |
15:16:27 | Zagor | can't remember. uwe freese perhaps. |
15:16:51 | Stevie[FP] | uwe freese? |
15:17:48 | Zagor | yes |
15:18:28 | Stevie[FP] | and another USB note: I've noticed that a majority of the functions that exit on SYS_USB_CONNECTED, don't perform certain cleanup code that's normally run when that menu exits |
15:18:40 | Stevie[FP] | like F2/F3 don't call save_settings() |
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15:19:05 | Zagor | yes it was uwe: http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-07/0352.shtml |
15:20:02 | Zagor | right. clearly a bug. |
15:20:15 | Zagor | would you like cvs write access, so you can fix things like that? |
15:20:23 | Stevie[FP] | hmmm |
15:20:24 | Stevie[FP] | Not yet |
15:20:35 | Stevie[FP] | I don't feel familiar enough with this stuff yet |
15:20:40 | Zagor | ok |
15:20:45 | Stevie[FP] | but thanks for the offer :) |
15:20:58 | Stevie[FP] | ooh |
15:21:01 | Stevie[FP] | now that looks good |
15:21:21 | Stevie[FP] | ever cancel a setting with a long name? |
15:22:11 | Zagor | I never cancel settings :-) |
15:22:53 | Stevie[FP] | lol |
15:23:18 | Stevie[FP] | try it −− go to Settings/General Settings/Playback/Play Selected First |
15:23:25 | Stevie[FP] | then toggle it and hit OFF to cancel |
15:23:38 | Zagor | testing... |
15:24:44 | Zagor | looks ok here |
15:25:12 | Stevie[FP] | oh |
15:25:18 | Stevie[FP] | they fixed it lol |
15:25:25 | Stevie[FP] | it didn't always clear the line |
15:25:32 | Stevie[FP] | in 2.0 it definitely didn't |
15:25:39 | Zagor | ah |
15:25:41 | Stevie[FP] | so it'd say like |
15:25:43 | Stevie[FP] | Cancellected First |
15:25:52 | Stevie[FP] | or something |
15:25:56 | Zagor | right |
15:26:02 | Stevie[FP] | I just changed it to use splash() |
15:26:58 | Zagor | hmm, how does that look on players? |
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15:28:59 | Stevie[FP] | probably like crap :) |
15:29:10 | Stevie[FP] | since I doubt splash() even works right on players |
15:30:59 | Stevie[FP] | but |
15:31:01 | Stevie[FP] | hm |
15:31:08 | Stevie[FP] | what does a Player do when you load a language file? |
15:31:28 | Zagor | beats me ;) |
15:31:31 | Stevie[FP] | heh |
15:31:34 | Stevie[FP] | ditto |
15:32:06 | Stevie[FP] | ok, so who is uwe freese? |
15:33:31 | Zagor | he's been doing much of the power work |
15:33:54 | Stevie[FP] | ok |
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15:35:57 | Stevie[FP] | are the base addresses of the internal RAM/external RAM/ROM documented anywhere? |
15:36:29 | Bagder | I think in the TECH |
15:36:48 | Bagder | eh, no |
15:36:57 | Bagder | but it *could* be in there ;-) |
15:37:06 | Stevie[FP] | no, it doesn't say there |
15:37:09 | Stevie[FP] | ex: |
15:37:19 | Stevie[FP] | I program an embedded device that goes into vending machines |
15:37:30 | Stevie[FP] | think Mobil Speedpass for candy bars |
15:37:34 | Bagder | well, the apps.lds details it of course |
15:38:08 | Stevie[FP] | #define ORIGADDR 0x09000000 |
15:38:22 | Bagder | yeps |
15:38:22 | Stevie[FP] | so the external DRAM starts at 0x09000000? |
15:38:37 | Stevie[FP] | does anything start at 0? |
15:38:54 | Stevie[FP] | the internal RAM on the AT91M40800 uC starts at 0 |
15:39:44 | Zagor | our internal ram starts at 0x0f000000 |
15:39:52 | Stevie[FP] | ok |
15:40:05 | Stevie[FP] | so every string pointer will be >= 0x09000000 |
15:40:14 | Zagor | we have nothing at 0, as far as I can remember |
15:40:25 | Stevie[FP] | mmkay |
15:40:27 | Zagor | yes |
15:40:51 | * | Stevie[FP] grins |
15:41:10 | Stevie[FP] | a certain company from Redmond may have some really awful programming practices |
15:41:11 | Zagor | should I be worried? ;) |
15:41:26 | Stevie[FP] | but they've given me an idea that I think could be pretty neat |
15:41:32 | Zagor | ok? |
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16:10:25 | tracktheripper | hi Bjorn and co :-) |
16:10:42 | Stevie[FP] | well |
16:10:54 | Stevie[FP] | I have a patch that saves a whopping 2kb off the final build |
16:10:55 | Stevie[FP] | mh |
16:11:19 | Bagder | hi track |
16:11:27 | tracktheripper | hi bagder |
16:11:46 | Zagor | Stevie[FP]: what does it do? |
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16:14:29 | Stevie[FP] | MS has an interesting feature regarding various things |
16:14:36 | Stevie[FP] | like window class names |
16:14:41 | Stevie[FP] | resource type names |
16:14:44 | Stevie[FP] | resource names |
16:15:53 | Stevie[FP] | because you can give those things (and in the case of window classes, you usually do) string names |
16:16:43 | Stevie[FP] | but, as you almost certainly know, string manipulation, etc. is several orders of magnitude slower than, say, a comparison of two numbers |
16:18:40 | Stevie[FP] | so Windows lets you choose from either platter |
16:19:17 | Stevie[FP] | by having a "string" that's actually an small integer (<65535) cast into a char* |
16:21:01 | Zagor | right. but does it really help much in rockbox? we don't throw around strings a lot, do we? |
16:23:34 | Stevie[FP] | actually we do |
16:23:45 | Stevie[FP] | and 99% of the time they're actually strings from language_strings[] |
16:24:06 | Stevie[FP] | which means that they're recalculated in every function that sets up a menu or option list |
16:26:33 | Zagor | in that case we should change from char* to int and pass the LANG_ constant instead, methinks |
16:27:48 | Stevie[FP] | but |
16:28:00 | Stevie[FP] | that won't work in cases where we don't have a LANG_ constant |
16:28:14 | Stevie[FP] | case in point: the entire Debug menu |
16:29:40 | Stevie[FP] | we really need to start using const |
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16:31:35 | Zagor | I'm not sure I think such a hack is worth it. wel |
16:31:45 | Zagor | we'll discuss it more later, I need to grab some food |
16:31:57 | | Nick Zagor is now known as Zagor|away (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) |
16:32:33 | Bagder | http://sidenews.net/?ACTION=EDIT |
16:32:37 | Bagder | ... and press 'r' |
16:39:43 | Bagder | I wish I understood what it would do though ;-) |
16:44:06 | Stevie[FP] | what what would do? |
16:44:14 | Bagder | sidenews.net |
16:44:25 | Stevie[FP] | sending rekwest |
16:44:41 | Bagder | its supposed to add stuff in the mozilla sidebar |
16:44:52 | Bagder | but nothing happens when I try it |
16:44:52 | Stevie[FP] | it's not even responding, so |
16:45:07 | Bagder | it reponds to me |
16:45:13 | Stevie[FP] | heh |
16:45:18 | Stevie[FP] | well then you're lucky :P |
16:45:33 | Stevie[FP] | at least www.crfh.net responds to me |
16:45:57 | Stevie[FP] | so what do you think of this idea? |
16:46:10 | Stevie[FP] | My initial attempt saves a whopping 2kb off the final image size |
16:46:35 | Bagder | I didn't understand how you intend to solve it |
16:46:41 | Stevie[FP] | oh |
16:46:44 | Stevie[FP] | well what I did was |
16:46:49 | Stevie[FP] | made a nice little macro |
16:47:02 | Stevie[FP] | #define MAKEINTSTR(x) ((unsigned char*)x) |
16:47:14 | Stevie[FP] | then I patched set_int(), set_option(), and menu_draw |
16:47:38 | Stevie[FP] | #define IS_LANGSTR(s) ( ((int)s) < LANG_LAST_INDEX_IN_ARRAY ) |
16:47:59 | Stevie[FP] | if (IS_LANGSTR(p)) p = str((int)p); |
16:47:59 | Schnueff | i c |
16:48:26 | Stevie[FP] | the result is |
16:48:31 | Stevie[FP] | instead of building a dynamic array |
16:48:46 | Stevie[FP] | and pulling out language_string[x] for each menu item/option string/etc |
16:48:58 | Stevie[FP] | we're simply encoding a constant |
16:51:37 | Bagder | so you pass a pointer holding an index instead of the actual pointer |
16:51:59 | Bagder | call me stupid, but I don't see the gain |
16:52:31 | Stevie[FP] | centralizes calculation of language_string[x] |
16:52:55 | Stevie[FP] | to the functions that process those strings |
16:52:55 | Bagder | oh |
16:53:09 | Bagder | ok |
16:54:15 | Stevie[FP] | 3 locations that need to look up a language string |
16:54:18 | Stevie[FP] | instead of like 50 |
16:55:04 | Bagder | set_int()'s first arg could be made a lang index instead |
16:55:16 | Bagder | set_bool()'s too |
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17:09:09 | Bagder | I'm off for today |
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17:36:44 | Quelsaruk | afternoon |
17:44:07 | Stevie[FP] | bleh |
17:44:16 | Stevie[FP] | stupid Player with its character-cell display |
17:45:23 | Quelsaruk | jejeje |
17:45:31 | Quelsaruk | i mean, hehehe |
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17:45:59 | Quelsaruk | i always forget that spanish 'je' sounds like english 'he' :) |
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17:55:57 | Stevie[FP] | hm |
17:56:06 | Stevie[FP] | what's the external data bus width? |
17:57:47 | Quelsaruk | dunno |
17:59:08 | Stevie[FP] | probably 16 bits |
17:59:27 | Stevie[FP] | yup |
17:59:29 | Stevie[FP] | 16 bits |
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19:06:51 | * | Stevie[FP] is away [fooooooooooood] [KS-MsgLog Off] |
19:20:38 | tracktheripper | hi |
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19:42:35 | Quelsaruk | Schnueff: are you here? |
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19:52:15 | NJoin | dw|gone [20] (dwihno@h193180246067.kommunicera.umea.se) |
19:53:59 | Quelsaruk | re-hi dw|gone |
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20:14:22 | Stevie[FP] | I pose a question to all of you people, even though none of you are probably here |
20:14:31 | Stevie[FP] | What's going on with the 'plugin' thing? |
20:14:40 | Quelsaruk | ummm |
20:15:00 | Quelsaruk | i dunno if it's stoped 'till 2.3 or if zagor is working on it |
20:15:08 | Quelsaruk | i think it's stopped |
20:15:16 | Quelsaruk | a lot of things to do before :) |
20:16:00 | | Nick Zagor|away is now known as Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) |
20:16:16 | Zagor | it's not stopped, because it's not started :-) |
20:16:29 | Quelsaruk | Zagor: then.. it's stopped :P |
20:16:38 | | Join bu88a1 [0] (~dlr@cbordata.net) |
20:16:40 | Zagor | hehe |
20:16:42 | Quelsaruk | btw, take a look to this :) |
20:17:03 | Quelsaruk | :) |
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20:17:19 | TBoy | hey I noticed something the other day |
20:17:34 | TBoy | that if I run my FM with archos it gets pretty hot |
20:17:38 | TBoy | or warm |
20:17:43 | Zagor | Quelsaruk: cute :) |
20:17:51 | TBoy | but if I run it with rb it doesn't |
20:18:02 | Quelsaruk | i'm working on that gfz menu, Zagor :) |
20:18:07 | Quelsaruk | gfx |
20:18:15 | Zagor | nice |
20:18:31 | Quelsaruk | but don't expect it to work :) |
20:18:46 | Zagor | hehe |
20:18:47 | Quelsaruk | at least without some nice goats |
20:19:23 | TBoy | hey has any1 tested the Musicbrainz tagger |
20:20:02 | Quelsaruk | TBoy: really strange :) |
20:20:11 | Quelsaruk | Zagor: i have a problem with icons |
20:20:13 | TBoy | it's a MP3 meta database wich find tags to your MP3s |
20:21:05 | Quelsaruk | i made an icon, used bmp2rb and got rockbox code for the icon |
20:21:36 | TBoy | requiring that you already know something about it, after that it makes an Id for the mp3 for other users to use the info you upped |
20:21:44 | TBoy | just wanted to let you know |
20:21:53 | Quelsaruk | as it was a 7x8 bitmap, i added it to bitmap_7x8 on icons.c and icons.h |
20:22:02 | TBoy | but I already have all my mp3s in order |
20:22:34 | Quelsaruk | but i tried it on sim and got a strange thing. have i done something wrong? or is it something about simulator and icons? |
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20:22:54 | Zagor | sims use the same icon code as target |
20:24:24 | Lear | I've noticed a small bug in the current rockbox (tested bleeding edge from an hour ago): the Xing VBR header is skipped if an ID3V2 tag is present. id3v2len is set one byte too large, it seems. |
20:26:15 | Quelsaruk | Zagor: then, have i done something wrong? i just have to add the icon code to bitmap_7x8 on icons.c and add the symbolic name on icons.h, no? |
20:27:06 | Zagor | Lear: huh? works just fine for me. |
20:28:43 | Lear | zagor: might be something with the particular ID3V2 header I guess, but I know it has worked. Stopped about the time Linus introduced the mp3data.c restructuring. But you have VBR files with a ID3V2.3 header? |
20:29:01 | Zagor | Lear: yes, lots of them |
20:29:13 | Lear | zagor: and the problems is subtle: the wrong play time (and bitrate) is shown. |
20:29:46 | Stevie[FP] | we need an emulator |
20:30:03 | Zagor | Quelsaruk: yeah, that should work |
20:30:10 | Zagor | Stevie[FP]: that would indeed be nice |
20:30:28 | Quelsaruk | then.. i need more goats |
20:30:29 | Quelsaruk | :) |
20:31:13 | * | Stevie[FP] yawns |
20:31:27 | Stevie[FP] | 12mhz should be fairly easy |
20:31:33 | Stevie[FP] | esp with such a simple display |
20:31:55 | Zagor | feel free :-) |
20:33:43 | Stevie[FP] | hehe |
20:33:45 | Stevie[FP] | maybe later |
20:34:04 | Stevie[FP] | werkin on a completely diff idea atm |
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20:38:32 | Mine78 | Hi guys |
20:38:48 | Mine78 | I found the way to make mp3pro palyable without skips |
20:38:54 | Mine78 | just use VBRFix on it |
20:39:05 | Mine78 | Leght still remains wrong, but shorter |
20:39:14 | Mine78 | I saw it's a but |
20:39:16 | Mine78 | bug |
20:39:28 | Mine78 | ID: 699667 |
20:41:07 | Zagor | could you submit a comment on the bug, so others having the problem know what to do? |
20:41:33 | Lear | zagor: could be wrong about it working before though, because the ID3V2 size in the file looks wrong to me. But e.g. MPTagger gets it right... |
20:42:22 | Mine78 | Lenght is wrong but the file doesn't skip anymore |
20:42:49 | Mine78 | Zagor: how can I put a comment on the bug ? In the bug page ? |
20:43:25 | Mine78 | Zagor: found it ^_^ |
20:43:30 | Mine78 | Posted it |
20:45:02 | Mine78 | A question: when I use random selection on a folder inside the .rockbox directory a file appear: queue. or something like that. Can I delete it ? |
20:45:03 | Quelsaruk | i hate gnu website. I have to navigate a lot tofind what i was looking for :( |
20:45:24 | Stevie[FP] | hm |
20:45:32 | Stevie[FP] | I take it that I09:CPUAdrEr at 0000000001 |
20:45:33 | Stevie[FP] | is a bad thing |
20:47:05 | Zagor | Mine78: you shouldn't play files in the .rockbox dir. it's a work dir used by rockbox. the queue file contains the play queue. |
20:47:25 | Zagor | i mean you shouldn't keep mp3 files there. you can, but it can be confusing |
20:47:43 | Mine78 | Yes sorry I wrong-typed the sentence. I play files inside a SONG dir and inside the .rockbox I found that file |
20:47:53 | Mine78 | I suppose it's the temporary queue, isn't it ? |
20:47:55 | Zagor | yes |
20:48:05 | Mine78 | If I delete it the songs continue |
20:48:28 | Zagor | yes, only the queue is removed |
20:48:43 | Mine78 | Rockbox is really really cool guys ! Thank you so much for your SUPERB work ! |
20:48:49 | Zagor | thanks |
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20:49:20 | Mine78 | I am waiting for plugins... do you think will be possible to play .mid or other simple music files (es. mod or others) with plugins ? |
20:50:46 | Stevie[FP] | i'd say no |
20:50:47 | Quelsaruk | AFAIK, not possible |
20:50:54 | Zagor | no |
20:50:55 | Stevie[FP] | for the same reason we can't play .wav, .wma, .ogg |
20:51:01 | Lear | zagor: it looks like the header actually is incorrect. An EAC bug then, I guess. :) Anyone know of a program that can fix this automatically? :) |
20:51:19 | Stevie[FP] | hmm |
20:51:20 | Stevie[FP] | oops |
20:51:39 | Zagor | Lear: i don't, unfortunately |
20:52:23 | Lear | Maybe I should let Lame do the tagging instead... |
20:53:12 | Zagor | I don't know which is best. I use grip in linux, and all seems fine :-) |
20:53:45 | Mine78 | Thank you all for your support ! Have a nice day ! |
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20:54:47 | Quelsaruk | buuuu!! zagor uses grip ;) |
20:55:03 | Zagor | what else would I use? |
20:55:46 | Quelsaruk | doesn't have microsoft an encoder? |
20:55:47 | Quelsaruk | ;) |
20:56:32 | Zagor | i wouldn't know :) |
20:56:43 | Quelsaruk | i use EAC in win, and grip in linux... i use grip because i don't know another program for linux |
20:56:58 | Stevie[FP] | hm |
20:57:04 | Stevie[FP] | why won't this work |
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21:07:00 | Stevie[FP] | woo |
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21:38:38 | Stevie[FP] | anybody here? |
21:43:52 | Zagor | yup |
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21:50:09 | Stevie[FP] | ok |
21:50:18 | Stevie[FP] | you've got a Recorder? |
21:50:48 | Stevie[FP] | I'd really like to know what Bagder thinks about this |
21:50:52 | Stevie[FP] | but he's not around :P |
21:53:18 | Zagor | yeah, i've got a recorder |
21:53:21 | Stevie[FP] | http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/rockbox/menutest2-rec.ajz |
21:53:40 | Stevie[FP] | give that guy a shot |
21:53:47 | Zagor | what do I test? |
21:53:49 | Stevie[FP] | go to the main menu |
21:53:56 | Stevie[FP] | then look at the Sound menu |
21:54:15 | Stevie[FP] | and maybe give the General/Display settings menu a look |
21:54:24 | Zagor | ok |
21:54:47 | Zagor | ooh, dots... :) |
21:55:03 | Zagor | yay, cool |
21:55:09 | Stevie[FP] | does that look neat? |
21:55:15 | Zagor | it does |
21:55:16 | Stevie[FP] | or interesting, at least |
21:55:26 | Stevie[FP] | I touched a lot of crap to do that |
21:55:33 | Zagor | even better would be to show it to the right of the label if there's room |
21:55:36 | Stevie[FP] | but |
21:55:48 | Stevie[FP] | yeah, I was thinking that |
21:55:58 | Stevie[FP] | I have a small font (either the 5x7 or 5x8) |
21:57:27 | Stevie[FP] | I wonder what Daniel will think |
21:57:38 | Stevie[FP] | If this goes well |
21:57:59 | Stevie[FP] | I'm thinking of making it so you edit the value in-place |
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22:12:11 | Zagor | yeah, i think that would be very nice |
22:12:40 | Zagor | sorry for being a bit absent, i'm doing my taxes :-) |
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22:17:06 | London_Blade | hello |
22:17:41 | Jet8810 | hey |
22:17:58 | London_Blade | hi there |
22:18:21 | Stevie[FP] | hey |
22:18:25 | Stevie[FP] | either of you two have Recorder or FM? |
22:19:02 | London_Blade | i have Recorder 10 |
22:20:02 | London_Blade | I don't like the redesigned chassis of the FM recorder |
22:20:04 | Stevie[FP] | http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/rockbox/menutest2-rec.ajz |
22:20:14 | London_Blade | whats this? |
22:20:15 | Stevie[FP] | Go look at the Sound menu |
22:20:18 | Stevie[FP] | with that ajz file |
22:20:20 | London_Blade | okies |
22:20:21 | London_Blade | one sec |
22:20:27 | Stevie[FP] | I'm looking for opinions |
22:21:12 | London_Blade | one sec |
22:21:17 | London_Blade | let me copy the file over |
22:21:38 | London_Blade | Archos is booting up |
22:21:40 | London_Blade | hang on |
22:23:06 | London_Blade | Its not a bad effort but I feel it makes the interface cluttered |
22:24:04 | London_Blade | can someone help me now please? |
22:24:28 | London_Blade | I know this has nothing to do with Rockbox but wondered if a partitioned hard drive performs better than a non-partitioned one |
22:24:57 | Zagor | no |
22:25:12 | Zagor | or, uh you mean a completely non-partitioned disk? |
22:25:25 | Zagor | you need at least one partition |
22:25:33 | London_Blade | Take a 40Gb hard drive |
22:25:49 | London_Blade | Would it perform better if it was split into 2 x 20Gb partitions?# |
22:26:22 | Zagor | no. also, rockbox only mounts one partition. |
22:26:38 | London_Blade | ohh |
22:27:09 | London_Blade | its just that my desktop PC has slowed up somewhat, I was thinking of using Partition Magic to partition the unused space to improve performance |
22:27:32 | Zagor | try defragmenting instead |
22:28:35 | London_Blade | but you are telling me that its pointless doing that as it would not improve performance? Im using the NTFS file system |
22:28:51 | London_Blade | ive done that and it hasn't helped and ive also ran Disk Cleanup |
22:29:04 | London_Blade | i may reformat my computer with the FAT32 system |
22:29:17 | Zagor | ntfs is generally better than fat32 for desktop computers |
22:29:24 | London_Blade | ohhhh |
22:29:30 | London_Blade | i thought FAT32 is faster |
22:30:10 | London_Blade | and does a 200Gb hard drive perform much better than my 3 year old 40gigger? |
22:30:17 | Zagor | yes, way faster |
22:30:24 | London_Blade | :-) |
22:30:33 | Zagor | not due to size, but due to being more modern |
22:30:39 | London_Blade | so im better buying a new hard drive :-) |
22:30:59 | London_Blade | cheers Zagor, youve been very helpful and kind :-) |
22:31:02 | Stevie[FP] | yeah |
22:31:02 | Stevie[FP] | when I first got my FM for my birthday last Friday |
22:31:02 | Stevie[FP] | I immediately copied my 1500 mp3s onto it |
22:31:02 | Stevie[FP] | I then learned about the annoying 999-files-per-dir limit of the original firmware |
22:31:02 | Stevie[FP] | but worse, that most of my files were really badly named |
22:31:02 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
22:31:02 | Stevie[FP] | so I went through, organizing and putting id3 tags on |
22:31:03 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
22:31:03 | Stevie[FP] | the ID3V2 tags really badly fragmented things |
22:32:05 | Zagor | did you add the tags over usb? |
22:32:09 | London_Blade | something else, what pisses me most in the IT industry is the stupid, stupid prices charged for memory cards, when CD-RW disks hold much more and are far cheaper |
22:32:43 | Stevie[FP] | Zagor: yeah, I added them after I put them on the Archos |
22:33:01 | Zagor | London_Blade: well memory cards are quite a bit more advanced than cd-rw disks |
22:33:06 | Stevie[FP] | and stripped the artist from most of the filenames |
22:33:18 | Stevie[FP] | so I could see what song I was about to play :) |
22:34:28 | London_Blade | yea but if thats the case, why don't companies make digital cameras that use the smaller 8cm CD-RW rather than the expensive memory card? |
22:34:52 | Stevie[FP] | please wait 5 minutes while we burn the lead-in and lead-out for your picture |
22:35:07 | Stevie[FP] | (^: |
22:35:32 | Zagor | London_Blade: they do... |
22:35:55 | London_Blade | really? |
22:35:55 | Zagor | sucks battery like heck though |
22:35:57 | London_Blade | :-) |
22:35:58 | Zagor | yes |
22:36:33 | London_Blade | so maybe £50 for a 64Mb CF card isn't so bad after all |
22:36:48 | Zagor | whatpc.co.uk/Products/Hardware/1128014 |
22:37:10 | London_Blade | or I could buy 30 650Mb CD-RWs for the same price........ |
22:38:07 | London_Blade | Zagor I have an idea that may work better than your plugin system you have in mind |
22:38:24 | Stevie[FP] | no idea could be better than the plugin system |
22:38:30 | Zagor | nice. what's that? |
22:38:55 | London_Blade | rather than downloading the plugins you require, why not have a firmware where bits of it are loaded into RAM as required, rather have the whole load loaded into RAM in one go? |
22:39:14 | Stevie[FP] | that sounds a lot like the plugin system |
22:39:19 | Zagor | yeah... :-) |
22:39:24 | London_Blade | so you have a large firmware, but bits of it are loaded as required, i.e for games, recording, etc |
22:39:37 | Stevie[FP] | perhaps we would be better off referring it to as a 'module' system |
22:39:37 | Zagor | London_Blade: how is that different from what I've presented? |
22:39:56 | Stevie[FP] | Zagor: 'plugins' usually refers to a 3rd-party feature |
22:40:14 | London_Blade | I thought your version meant that you download the bits from the site, i.e if you want games, download the games plugin, if you want recording, download the recording plugin |
22:40:14 | Stevie[FP] | i.e. something that does not come with the original software |
22:40:40 | London_Blade | what im saying is have everything on the Archos, but have the various bits loaded into the buffer as required |
22:40:42 | Zagor | London_Blade: no, all the bits will be in the zip file you download and unpacked to the archos disk |
22:40:55 | London_Blade | ohh |
22:41:01 | Stevie[FP] | yeah |
22:41:04 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
22:41:07 | Zagor | what you describe is exactly what I have planned |
22:41:08 | London_Blade | so you only unpack the bits you need, such as recording or games? |
22:41:15 | Stevie[FP] | actually you unpack it all |
22:41:19 | London_Blade | ohh |
22:41:19 | Stevie[FP] | the bits you need are loaded on-demand |
22:41:32 | London_Blade | thats exactily waht I said! stevie |
22:41:35 | London_Blade | ohhh Zagor..... |
22:41:36 | Stevie[FP] | yeah |
22:41:40 | London_Blade | you can't blame me for trying :-) |
22:41:54 | Stevie[FP] | well |
22:42:08 | Stevie[FP] | I think that's fairly convincing evidence that the plugin system idea is a really good one |
22:42:14 | Zagor | hehe |
22:42:20 | London_Blade | you need to get out a bit more Zagor and flirt with Girls rather than Archos Jukeboxes |
22:42:27 | Stevie[FP] | lmao |
22:42:31 | Stevie[FP] | orrr |
22:42:36 | Zagor | lol. i'll tell my gf :) |
22:42:39 | Stevie[FP] | flirt with Girls using your Archos Jukeboxes |
22:42:42 | London_Blade | :-) |
22:42:50 | * | Stevie[FP] thinks about that typical movie scenario |
22:43:01 | London_Blade | mind you, im quite married to my beloved Recorded 10......... |
22:43:08 | Stevie[FP] | the nervous guy doesn't know what to say, so he has an earpiece plugged into his FM |
22:43:17 | Stevie[FP] | listening to prerecorded things to say |
22:44:01 | London_Blade | Zagor my Archos has a tiny dent in one side where I dropped it, so how about an addition to the firmware that repairs slight cosmetic damage? :-) |
22:44:13 | Stevie[FP] | London_Blade: I'll see about getting that into the next release |
22:44:31 | London_Blade | cool |
22:44:32 | Stevie[FP] | that's on the 'todo' list next to 'Making it run without electricity' |
22:45:20 | London_Blade | i do admit though, Archos firmware is bad compared to Rockbox |
22:45:39 | London_Blade | on the Archos firmware there is a loud scream present when hearing quiet passages in songs |
22:45:50 | London_Blade | that noise is not there in Rockbox :-) |
22:45:54 | Stevie[FP] | that must be the 'background noise' the FAQ refers to |
22:46:00 | London_Blade | yea |
22:46:19 | London_Blade | it really fucked me off before I discovered Rockbox....... |
22:47:13 | London_Blade | Zagor how does Rockbox drastically improve sound quality over Archos firmware? |
22:49:02 | Stevie[FP] | it's a little thing called 'doing it right' |
22:49:03 | Zagor | you really want to know? |
22:49:24 | Stevie[FP] | did you set the 'output excessive background noise' bit to 0? |
22:49:30 | London_Blade | yes please Zagor |
22:49:48 | Zagor | the truth is, we don't know how the heck archos made it sound like that in the first place |
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22:49:55 | Stevie[FP] | HAHA |
22:50:02 | Zagor | we never worked to get rid of the noise, it simply ha never been there for us |
22:50:32 | London_Blade | yea Zagor and with the Archos firmware the volume control had a very limited range |
22:50:49 | London_Blade | Rockbox volume actually goes louder and quieter than the Archos firmware |
22:51:27 | London_Blade | Zagor all Rockbox needs is a way to input individual songs into a playlist then Rockbox will be sorted :-) |
22:51:52 | Zagor | hah, yeah then we can strike all the other feature requests :) |
22:52:25 | London_Blade | :-) |
22:52:27 | Stevie[FP] | lmao |
22:52:29 | Stevie[FP] | you know |
22:52:34 | Stevie[FP] | I thought the Queue feature did that |
22:52:37 | Stevie[FP] | but it doesn't seem to work |
22:53:05 | London_Blade | Zagor what you could mention on your site is that if you want to make a playlist of individual songs, queue up a series of songs, then rename the QUEUE_FILE to myplaylist.m3u |
22:54:49 | London_Blade | just a thought |
22:54:50 | Zagor | nah, that's a workaround. we'll add the real deal eventually. |
22:55:05 | London_Blade | :) |
22:55:33 | London_Blade | Zagor also why not have a mode where you can queue up songs BEFORE playback rather than DURING playback? |
22:55:40 | London_Blade | A bit like the Creative Labs Nomad :-) |
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