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| 00:16:17 | * | Stevie[FP] drops two pins, Vcc and GND |
| 00:16:44 | * | Stevie[FP] disconnects the GND pin and marvels at the wonders of a floating ground |
| 00:24:54 | * | Stevie[FP] is away [gone] [KS-MsgLog Off] |
| 00:31:55 | elinenbe|rules | !MyRoms |
| 00:32:03 | elinenbe|rules | :) |
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| 01:20:36 | BoD[] | Mblelop |
| 01:24:45 | Zagor | bed time |
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| 02:08:14 | | Join midknight2k3 [0] (LaLaLaLaLa@AC822749.ipt.aol.com) |
| 02:08:38 | midknight2k3 | yeah WOOO |
| 02:15:35 | BoD[] | you said it |
| 02:16:23 | midknight2k3 | hey woooooooo |
| 02:16:27 | midknight2k3 | fun-ny! |
| 02:16:28 | midknight2k3 | http://www.rickandrak.com/truckstoptv.wmv |
| 02:16:30 | midknight2k3 | yeah |
| 02:16:39 | midknight2k3 | vrooooom skidddd crashhh |
| 02:16:42 | BoD[] | :) |
| 02:19:14 | midknight2k3 | i happen to think it needs more oooomph |
| 02:19:18 | midknight2k3 | im editing it now |
| 02:23:06 | midknight2k3 | What are you doing? |
| 02:31:41 | BoD[] | who me? |
| 02:31:49 | midknight2k3 | yes you :) |
| 02:32:19 | BoD[] | i'm reading the rockbox mailing list :) |
| 02:32:30 | BoD[] | i have 3 days of unread messages |
| 02:32:39 | midknight2k3 | hah |
| 02:32:49 | midknight2k3 | when i have htat much my 'account size is critical' |
| 02:34:20 | BoD[] | yes but I read it with the gname interface |
| 02:34:35 | BoD[] | Gmane I mean |
| 02:34:41 | midknight2k3 | whatever that is |
| 02:35:00 | BoD[] | ;) it's the "newsgroup" interface |
| 02:37:10 | midknight2k3 | me bored |
| 02:41:05 | BoD[] | that's it i've read it all |
| 02:43:41 | midknight2k3 | you're bored now too ;) |
| 02:48:36 | BoD[] | nop i'm going to www.monotonik.com |
| 02:49:58 | midknight2k3 | glee |
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| 02:55:53 | midknight2k3 | Hello linus |
| 02:55:58 | LinusN | hi |
| 02:57:15 | midknight2k3 | i think i have battery acid on my finger :)) |
| 02:57:26 | LinusN | ouch |
| 02:58:32 | midknight2k3 | im not sure if thats what it is or not |
| 02:58:56 | LinusN | better rinse anyway... |
| 02:59:13 | midknight2k3 | yes |
| 02:59:21 | midknight2k3 | but i was just laughing at this (http://www.rickandrak.com/truckstoptv.wmv) but i suppose you already read about it |
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| 03:00:08 | LinusN | huh? |
| 03:00:24 | midknight2k3 | it's funny you should see it |
| 03:00:48 | LinusN | i don't have a wmv player, and i'm on a dialup :-( |
| 03:01:00 | midknight2k3 | crud |
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| 03:04:36 | midknight2k3 | Who runs this channel anyways? |
| 03:04:59 | LinusN | freenode.net |
| 03:13:52 | midknight2k3 | I mean who's a 'boss' or whatever like the guys with the + by their names |
| 03:14:00 | midknight2k3 | admin is what you call it? |
| 03:14:54 | LinusN | i think adiamas has some kind of super powers |
| 03:15:12 | LinusN | i guess zagor and bagder has too |
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| 03:15:29 | LinusN | and me of course |
| 03:15:31 | LinusN | :-) |
| 03:15:38 | midknight2k3 | really heh |
| 03:15:45 | midknight2k3 | hey! |
| 03:15:51 | midknight2k3 | so you do have some powers |
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| 03:39:41 | jzoss | up late again Linus? =) |
| 03:41:16 | LinusN | yup, working hard |
| 03:41:39 | jzoss | sheesh. Well, I always said "sleep is for the weak" ;) |
| 03:42:27 | jzoss | Sometimes it seems like I can only get real work done when everyone else is gone for the day. |
| 03:42:43 | LinusN | same here |
| 03:43:33 | jzoss | Quick question (and I'll leave you to your work): |
| 03:44:16 | jzoss | I'm reworking my editID3 patch. It hasn't been touched in a month. I was thinking of using the mp3buf to cache the ID3 tag in as I'm setting it up, and write it out all at once. |
| 03:44:57 | jzoss | It's not a waste, since writeID3v2 may need to resize_file (which uses the mp3buf). So I figured it'd be most consistent to mpeg_stop all the time, rather than just when we need to resize_file. |
| 03:45:31 | jzoss | You think it's acceptable to limit ID3 tag size to mp3buf size (so I don't have to do repetitive buffer copies. Cleaner code)? |
| 03:46:14 | LinusN | jzoss: check out the VBRFix code |
| 03:46:17 | jzoss | Our ID3 tags will, of course, never be that large. It's just a matter of whether I can use that limit for copying back existing-but-unsupported tags. |
| 03:46:21 | jzoss | o-kay |
| 03:46:34 | LinusN | so we don't do any double work |
| 03:46:39 | jzoss | right |
| 03:46:47 | LinusN | i have a resize function there |
| 03:46:52 | jzoss | yah |
| 03:46:55 | jzoss | I was planning to use that. |
| 03:46:55 | LinusN | which uses the mp3 buffer |
| 03:47:21 | jzoss | That was my reasoning for thinking it was okay to use the mp3buf for setting-up the id3 tag for writing, as well. |
| 03:47:57 | LinusN | still, it would be even nicer to be able to edit the tag without stopping the music |
| 03:48:03 | jzoss | I agree. |
| 03:48:15 | jzoss | But sometimes, if resize_file was necessary, you'd have to stop the music. |
| 03:48:26 | jzoss | I was thinking it would be nicer to be consistent and not confuse the user. |
| 03:48:32 | jzoss | But that's what I wanted your opinion on. |
| 03:48:52 | jzoss | You vote for keeping the music playing unless we need to resize file? |
| 03:49:10 | LinusN | i think so |
| 03:49:17 | jzoss | okay. |
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| 03:49:39 | LinusN | i mean, you could examine the id3 tag to see if it would need resizing before editing, right? |
| 03:49:42 | jzoss | Do we need a prompt, then, if we need to resize and music is playing? "Need to resize file. Stop music" |
| 03:49:48 | jzoss | Certainly. |
| 03:50:17 | LinusN | or we could add a pause-and-flush mechanism to the mp3 thread |
| 03:50:41 | LinusN | that's probably the coolest thing |
| 03:50:45 | jzoss | Right. |
| 03:50:57 | jzoss | But maybe a bit of work if this is the only place it'd be useful |
| 03:51:10 | jzoss | Although it might be used during plugin-loading too, I could see.... |
| 03:51:29 | jzoss | Would allow you to semi-dynamically resize your mp3buf |
| 03:52:01 | LinusN | vbrfix could use it too |
| 03:52:11 | jzoss | True. |
| 03:53:23 | jzoss | I'll proceed then, without stealing the mp3buf. Prompt if need to resize file. And we can augment it later if we implement pause-and-flush. |
| 03:53:47 | LinusN | good |
| 03:53:57 | jzoss | I might even be able to hack a solution that uses the resume feature to stop and auto-resume. |
| 03:53:59 | jzoss | Hmmmm..... |
| 03:55:03 | jzoss | Thanks for your time! Hope your work goes well. =) |
| 03:55:19 | LinusN | you will see in about 30 minutes |
| 03:55:27 | jzoss | woohoo! |
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| 04:24:35 | jzoss | hiya, Stevie |
| 04:24:43 | jzoss | I like your menu UI =) |
| 04:25:03 | Stevie-O | cool! |
| 04:25:04 | Stevie-O | ty :) |
| 04:25:25 | jzoss | I just sent off a message to the list with some suggestions |
| 04:25:28 | Stevie-O | ok |
| 04:25:32 | Stevie-O | it's a HUGE patch |
| 04:26:06 | jzoss | You don't just touch menu.c, eh? |
| 04:29:20 | Stevie-O | lmao, no |
| 04:29:37 | Stevie-O | it touches pretty much everything that displays a menu |
| 04:30:05 | Stevie-O | I borrowed some concepts from the device I program at work |
| 04:30:12 | Stevie-O | you know how menus are like |
| 04:30:19 | Stevie-O | { str(LANG_x), func } |
| 04:30:25 | Stevie-O | { str(LANG_y), func2 } |
| 04:30:32 | Stevie-O | ? |
| 04:30:42 | jzoss | Right. I caught a bit of your IRC discussion on that earlier, when I skimmed the logs |
| 04:30:50 | Stevie-O | ok |
| 04:30:56 | Stevie-O | well what I pretty much turned it into was |
| 04:30:57 | jzoss | So the patch is not just fancy menus |
| 04:31:05 | jzoss | It's fancy menus + better string handling |
| 04:31:07 | Stevie-O | ah |
| 04:31:08 | Stevie-O | well |
| 04:31:08 | Stevie-O | yes |
| 04:31:14 | Stevie-O | the fancy menus relies on the better string handling |
| 04:31:21 | Stevie-O | see −− it requires preconstructed menus |
| 04:31:41 | jzoss | Hmm. |
| 04:31:44 | Stevie-O | the problem with preconstructing the menus using str() is, if you load another language file, those preconstructed menus is invalidated |
| 04:32:04 | Stevie-O | well, technically it doesn't require preconstructed menus |
| 04:32:06 | jzoss | So you have to augment the language-loading code, then, to rebuild menus too |
| 04:32:14 | Stevie-O | no, I didn't do that :) |
| 04:32:22 | jzoss | Eventually. Baby steps. =) |
| 04:32:24 | Stevie-O | I used what I think is a slightly more clever approach |
| 04:32:45 | Stevie-O | Our memory is at addresses like 0x09000000 and 0x0f000000 |
| 04:33:10 | Stevie-O | that pretty much precludes strings at addresses like 1 or 2 |
| 04:33:28 | Stevie-O | I patched 3 functions |
| 04:33:29 | jzoss | Right. So you munge string addresses with LANG-list-indices |
| 04:33:37 | Stevie-O | yeah |
| 04:33:44 | Stevie-O | basically casting a LANG_xxx value to a char* |
| 04:34:15 | Stevie-O | three functions were patched: menu_draw(), set_int(), and set_option() |
| 04:35:15 | jzoss | My suggestion was: it's a bit confusing (to me) when you up/down in the menu and the cursor feels like it "jumps" two lines. |
| 04:35:20 | jzoss | It doesn't really...just feels that way. |
| 04:35:24 | Stevie-O | yeah |
| 04:35:31 | Stevie-O | I've been trying to think of a way to deal with that |
| 04:35:42 | jzoss | I wonder what it would look like if instead of placing the settings below the menu element, you reserved a line at top/bottom of display |
| 04:35:50 | Stevie-O | Z suggested that I draw stuff on the same line |
| 04:35:52 | jzoss | Maybe with a single-pixel-line divider |
| 04:35:55 | Stevie-O | I thought about that |
| 04:36:05 | Stevie-O | I didn't know if that would be quite as intuitive |
| 04:36:25 | jzoss | I was also thinking you could show all (or as many as fit) setting options on the line |
| 04:36:32 | Stevie-O | yeah |
| 04:36:32 | jzoss | And highlight the one that's selected (invert) |
| 04:36:39 | jzoss | For your edit-in-place. |
| 04:36:43 | Stevie-O | ohh |
| 04:36:48 | jzoss | The highlight might be distinctive enough to set it apart |
| 04:36:49 | Stevie-O | like |
| 04:37:01 | Stevie-O | well, that brings up a point someone emailed in |
| 04:37:04 | Stevie-O | to the list |
| 04:37:06 | Stevie-O | which is Player support |
| 04:37:15 | jzoss | I don't think it's an issue |
| 04:37:20 | Stevie-O | Players don't have inverse |
| 04:37:37 | Stevie-O | the current code I wrote should actually work fine on a Player |
| 04:37:48 | jzoss | You could demararcate it... like: |
| 04:37:54 | jzoss | Repeat |
| 04:38:02 | jzoss | All |One| Off |
| 04:38:07 | jzoss | Or similar. |
| 04:38:19 | jzoss | Or just show the selected option (like you have it now) |
| 04:38:37 | Stevie-O | mmmh |
| 04:38:40 | Stevie-O | That would work |
| 04:38:47 | Stevie-O | but |
| 04:39:04 | Stevie-O | what about setting values that have to wrap on the Recorder/FM? |
| 04:39:30 | jzoss | Yah. You have to scroll. :( |
| 04:39:41 | jzoss | I'm not a big fan of scrolling. |
| 04:39:54 | jzoss | You probably want to only show one option if you have to scroll things. |
| 04:40:00 | Stevie-O | yeah |
| 04:40:13 | Stevie-O | Scrolling is a necessary evil |
| 04:40:26 | Stevie-O | if only Archos had picked an LCD display, oh, say, twice as wide |
| 04:40:43 | jzoss | heh. Then the device would be the size of the creative nomad |
| 04:40:43 | LinusN | i just committed fm radio support for the FM recorder |
| 04:40:48 | jzoss | YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! =D |
| 04:40:50 | Stevie-O | cool, Linus |
| 04:40:52 | jzoss | CONGRATS! |
| 04:41:09 | jzoss | I'd try it out, but first you have to air-mail me your FM recorder |
| 04:41:15 | Stevie-O | haha |
| 04:41:26 | jzoss | Does it work in the sim? just kidding |
| 04:41:38 | Stevie[FP] | 1920 |
| 04:41:59 | jzoss | ?? |
| 04:48:21 | LinusN | finally, i can go to sleep |
| 04:48:24 | LinusN | cu |
| 04:48:27 | jzoss | Good job |
| 04:48:29 | jzoss | Sleep well! |
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| 05:08:37 | jzoss | hello, PsycoXul |
| 05:09:12 | PsycoXul | hi |
| 05:09:42 | jzoss | linus committed FM recording just a bit ago. |
| 05:09:55 | jzoss | As in committed to CVS. Not committed some kind of crime. =) |
| 05:11:00 | jzoss | *FM playing (recording to come later), anyway |
| 05:12:43 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 05:12:50 | PsycoXul | yeah i saw |
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| 05:22:44 | Stevie-O | blah |
| 05:22:56 | Stevie[FP] | Only in rockbox-new/apps: Makefile.bak |
| 05:22:57 | Stevie[FP] | Only in rockbox-new/apps: credits.raw |
| 05:22:58 | Stevie[FP] | diff -u -b -r -x '*.o' -x '*.map' rockbox-daily-20030502/apps/debug_menu.c rockbox-new/apps/debug_menu.c |
| 05:22:59 | Stevie[FP] | −−- rockbox-daily-20030502/apps/debug_menu.c2003-04-10 00:00:21.000000000 -0400 |
| 05:23:00 | Stevie[FP] | +++ rockbox-new/apps/debug_menu.c2003-05-02 14:04:52.000000000 -0400 |
| 05:23:01 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 05:23:01 | Stevie[FP] | @@ -1211,30 +1211,30 @@ |
| 05:23:02 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 05:23:02 | Stevie[FP] | bool result; |
| 05:24:55 | Stevie-O | mkay |
| 05:25:26 | Stevie-O | glad I made that diff! |
| 05:25:43 | jzoss | heh. |
| 05:27:36 | Stevie-O | ok, now that I have the diff |
| 05:27:39 | Stevie-O | I need the original src |
| 05:28:14 | Stevie-O | ok, wgotten |
| 05:29:57 | * | Stevie-O gets the sdk |
| 05:31:43 | Stevie-O | 7% at 5kb/s |
| 05:31:46 | Stevie-O | wooo |
| 05:32:11 | jzoss | oh, my |
| 05:32:37 | PsycoXul | hmm |
| 05:32:46 | PsycoXul | do fmrec's charge from usb? |
| 05:32:57 | PsycoXul | i just plugged it in without booting it up, and it booted itself up |
| 05:33:00 | Stevie-O | yeah |
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| 05:33:16 | PsycoXul | so it ran from the rom firmware and i noticed the battery icon was filling up when i went to unplug it |
| 05:33:19 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 05:34:43 | Stevie-O | 30 mins left on the sdk. yay. |
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| 06:21:00 | jzoss | sdk showed up yet? |
| 06:29:07 | Stevie-O | yeah, i guess I can install it |
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| 08:20:21 | PsycoXul | so i played with the FM |
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| 08:20:23 | PsycoXul | seems kinda loud |
| 08:20:27 | PsycoXul | and it doesn't stop |
| 08:20:35 | PsycoXul | when you quit the FM screen it keeps playing the radio |
| 08:21:01 | PsycoXul | i had to reboot it (i'll try ROLO'ing next time) before i could hear anything but the radio |
| 08:21:29 | PsycoXul | and i had to turn the volume down to like 75 to listen to it |
| 08:21:35 | PsycoXul | and then back up to like 90 to listen to mp3's |
| 08:22:22 | PsycoXul | (80-90 is what i usualy listen at) |
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| 08:26:58 | Freek | hey hey |
| 08:28:06 | Freek | ? |
| 08:28:18 | PsycoXul | hi everybody |
| 08:28:23 | PsycoXul | ! |
| 08:28:29 | Freek | hehe hey |
| 08:28:33 | PsycoXul | (hello, dr. nick!) |
| 08:29:04 | Freek | no ones talking, so i'm leaving |
| 08:29:07 | Freek | bye |
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| 15:58:05 | LinusN | jzoss: you can record FM radio with rockbox |
| 15:58:13 | jzoss | really? cool. |
| 15:58:19 | LinusN | just turn on the radio, and then select Line In as the source |
| 15:58:23 | jzoss | I didn't know. Sorry for spreading "false info". =) |
| 15:58:29 | LinusN | :-) |
| 15:58:32 | jzoss | Didn't realize it was a "free" byproduct |
| 15:58:48 | LinusN | the FM radio is connected to the Line In |
| 15:59:22 | jzoss | So line-in and radio get mixed on top of each other? I see a "super karaoke mode" in our future. ;) |
| 15:59:28 | LinusN | :-) |
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| 16:03:24 | Stevie-O | haha |
| 16:03:47 | Stevie-O | I had a tar that accepted -j |
| 16:03:49 | Stevie-O | where did I put it |
| 16:04:10 | jzoss | did you check under the couch cushions? That's where I always lose stuff... |
| 16:04:33 | Stevie-O | lol |
| 16:06:49 | Stevie-O | hm |
| 16:06:55 | Stevie-O | where do I put the tools dir again? |
| 16:07:06 | jzoss | same dir level as apps and firmware |
| 16:20:42 | jzoss | LinusN: Since I'm going to share your resize_file w/ id3.c code, I should move it to firmware. Where? file.c?? thx. |
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| 16:26:17 | TBoy | hoi |
| 16:26:24 | jzoss | hola |
| 16:26:36 | TBoy | damn finally when the radio is supported I don't have my FM |
| 16:26:43 | TBoy | :'-( |
| 16:32:27 | LinusN | :-) |
| 16:33:09 | TBoy | LinusN you da man |
| 16:33:20 | * | TBoy pats LinusN on the back |
| 16:34:51 | * | LinusN is proud |
| 16:35:01 | LinusN | actually, it wasn't that hard |
| 16:35:43 | jzoss | LinusN: Since I'm going to share your resize_file w/ id3.c code, I should move it to firmware. Where? file.c?? thx. |
| 16:39:01 | LinusN | why move it to firmware? |
| 16:39:13 | jzoss | I thought firmware code (id3.c) wasn't supposed to call apps code? |
| 16:39:30 | LinusN | that is true, but why would it? |
| 16:39:51 | TBoy | LinusN: Are you gonna make the freq steps in .01 mhz |
| 16:39:58 | TBoy | or 10khz |
| 16:39:58 | jzoss | write_id3v2 needs to be able to resize_file (sometimes). Which is currently in apps/onplay.c |
| 16:40:07 | LinusN | aha, that is in onplay.c |
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| 16:40:20 | LinusN | TBoy: 50kHz |
| 16:40:27 | jzoss | s/resize file/insert_data_in_file |
| 16:40:58 | LinusN | jzoss: let me think about that |
| 16:41:04 | LinusN | i have to eat now, brb |
| 16:41:06 | jzoss | no prob |
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| 16:41:25 | TBoy | why |
| 16:41:44 | TBoy | well I think that'll be ok |
| 16:46:46 | | Nick seb-sleep is now known as _seb_ (Sean@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) |
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| 17:06:30 | Nixed | good morning. |
| 17:06:55 | Nixed | Anyone here from rockbox? I have a question about a possible problem/bug. |
| 17:07:09 | jzoss | good morning! =) |
| 17:07:17 | Nixed | Hi jzoss. |
| 17:07:26 | jzoss | so what's up? |
| 17:07:42 | Nixed | My Recorder 20... Everytime the battery power gets to 50%, the sound keeps cutting in and out. |
| 17:07:55 | Nixed | is this natural? |
| 17:08:12 | jzoss | ?? no. Mine works all the way until it drains the batteries. |
| 17:08:26 | Nixed | sugar.... |
| 17:08:28 | jzoss | Does the harddrive do strange things at low power? |
| 17:08:42 | Nixed | Sounds louder at lower power. |
| 17:08:49 | jzoss | Have you tried plugging it into the wall when it's acting weird? Does that solve the problem? |
| 17:08:55 | jzoss | Hmmmm.... |
| 17:09:11 | Nixed | Yes, that solves it, but I get 5/6 hours at most off the batteries. |
| 17:09:16 | jzoss | Assuming you haven't replaced the stock batteries, right? |
| 17:09:27 | jzoss | 5/6hrs until you hit 50%, right? |
| 17:09:32 | Nixed | Then at 50%, the battery start draining a lot more and sound goes in and out. |
| 17:09:34 | Nixed | yeah |
| 17:09:44 | Nixed | It's still the original batteries. |
| 17:09:59 | jzoss | Does the harddrive spin alot more than normal when you're in "weird low-power mode"? |
| 17:10:01 | Nixed | I've had it for a month almost |
| 17:10:44 | Nixed | jzoss - I'm not sure. I put the drive spindown up to 15 seconds (default 5), and it made it down to 40% before the proble happened, but the batteries seemed to last less. |
| 17:11:15 | Nixed | I think for the norm, it does spin a lot when it's in "weird low-power mode" |
| 17:11:24 | Nixed | The red light stays on a bit more. |
| 17:11:43 | jzoss | Yah. Sounds like your batteries are draining faster than normal. And when they dip below some voltage, the harddrive has trouble keeping up. |
| 17:11:48 | jzoss | Just guessing, though. |
| 17:11:50 | Nixed | Then it'll keep playing the song, but the sound will go in and out. |
| 17:12:22 | Nixed | jzoss - How many hours do you get out of yours? |
| 17:12:23 | jzoss | You might try buying some new NiMH batteries and see if that solves the problem. But I'm just guessing. |
| 17:12:29 | Nixed | on battery. |
| 17:12:49 | Nixed | I was thinking about doing that. they don't cost too much. |
| 17:12:50 | jzoss | I get like 8-10 hrs on stock batteries, depending on how much I "play" with it while it's playing (dir browsing, track skipping, etc) |
| 17:13:44 | Nixed | I noticed that powering it on and off takes a lot of juice. |
| 17:14:14 | jzoss | Yah. Every time you get a drive spinup, you can almost see the battery juice being sucked out. =) |
| 17:15:05 | Nixed | yep. I'm going to try changing the batteries if this continues. Maybe 1 or two are dead. Thanks for the suggestion. |
| 17:15:25 | jzoss | no prob. good luck! |
| 17:15:28 | jzoss | :q |
| 17:15:33 | jzoss | (whoops) |
| 17:15:42 | Nixed | lol |
| 17:16:02 | Schnueff | :q is nice :) |
| 17:16:18 | jzoss | heh. wrong window. =) |
| 17:16:24 | Nixed | oh |
| 17:16:36 | * | Nixed stops laughing. |
| 17:27:41 | * | Stevie[FP] is back from [gone] [gone 17hrs 2mins 48secs] [KS] |
| 17:42:55 | Nixed | Is it recommended that you have the battery charger plugged into the Archos when it's docked? |
| 17:43:08 | Stevie[FP] | well |
| 17:43:19 | Stevie[FP] | for the FM recorder, I'd say yes |
| 17:43:38 | jzoss | There are some menu settings (Deep Discharge) that control behavior when it's plugged in for long periods of time |
| 17:44:02 | Nixed | k |
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| 18:05:47 | | Nick Linus|away is now known as LinusN (~linus@labb.contactor.se) |
| 18:08:19 | | Join midknight2k3 [0] (LaLaLaLaLa@ACA5FCEA.ipt.aol.com) |
| 18:08:35 | midknight2k3 | hello whoever is here |
| 18:08:40 | LinusN | hola |
| 18:08:53 | midknight2k3 | is there any discussion going on? |
| 18:09:09 | LinusN | no |
| 18:09:24 | midknight2k3 | i thought if i popped in early something ight be going on |
| 18:09:29 | LinusN | hehe |
| 18:09:35 | LinusN | it's weekend |
| 18:09:42 | LinusN | low acticity |
| 18:09:46 | LinusN | activity |
| 18:10:01 | midknight2k3 | you mean you don't sit at your computers and veg on the weekend? |
| 18:10:19 | LinusN | except for the FM radio feature of course |
| 18:10:52 | midknight2k3 | is that a joke? |
| 18:11:17 | LinusN | why would it be? the FM recorder has an FM tuner |
| 18:11:49 | midknight2k3 | oh wait i get it never mind |
| 18:12:11 | Nixed | Quick question. Does using a playlist run down the batteries more? |
| 18:12:20 | LinusN | not really |
| 18:12:46 | midknight2k3 | not with the way it's currently implemented |
| 18:13:22 | Nixed | Cool. Just wondering if having to go from one file in one directory to a file in another had the drive spin up more than usual. |
| 18:13:31 | midknight2k3 | but i assume it would if you had files from different places (ie folders and subfolders) |
| 18:13:33 | Nixed | stupid question. |
| 18:13:42 | LinusN | the extra power drain when seeking in the playlist file is negligible |
| 18:13:52 | Nixed | that's what I though. |
| 18:14:15 | Nixed | So a 1000 song playlist will drain more battery. |
| 18:14:37 | LinusN | the number of songs is irrelevant |
| 18:14:55 | Nixed | yes, but the location is. |
| 18:15:12 | MT | not really |
| 18:15:26 | LinusN | yes, there are more accesses to the drive if the file is deep down in the dir tree |
| 18:15:26 | Nixed | k |
| 18:15:46 | LinusN | but the major power drain comes from spinning up the drive |
| 18:15:47 | MT | the power consumption used to seek to a particular point on a disk is negligble compared to the power used to read a few megabytes off the disk |
| 18:16:03 | MT | or am i way off track |
| 18:16:04 | Nixed | understood. |
| 18:16:21 | midknight2k3 | wait, in the nodo document, #14 you mean you can't do a spectrum analyzer? |
| 18:16:32 | LinusN | was it unclear? |
| 18:16:43 | LinusN | or is it still unclear? |
| 18:16:45 | midknight2k3 | i just thought it was pretty possible |
| 18:16:57 | LinusN | how? |
| 18:17:21 | midknight2k3 | if you can do a peak meter and an oscilloscope i thought you must be able to do a spectum analyzer |
| 18:17:29 | midknight2k3 | but i suppose now |
| 18:17:32 | midknight2k3 | not |
| 18:17:44 | LinusN | the peak meter and the oscilloscope samples the audio at about 1kHz |
| 18:17:55 | LinusN | no, 100Hz |
| 18:18:49 | midknight2k3 | One thing that would be nice is an oscilloscope in the WPS |
| 18:18:58 | LinusN | you would need at least 40000Hz for a decent frequency analyzer |
| 18:19:03 | midknight2k3 | is that possible? |
| 18:19:18 | LinusN | could be |
| 18:19:54 | LinusN | the problem is not only the sound sampling, but also the screen updates |
| 18:20:04 | LinusN | this baby is slow |
| 18:20:14 | midknight2k3 | The peak meter is not too bad |
| 18:20:24 | midknight2k3 | though it's a tiny bit off it works great |
| 18:20:30 | LinusN | we put quite some work in it |
| 18:21:07 | midknight2k3 | you did a good job |
| 18:21:18 | MT | LinusN: completely OT, but you do know much about cvs repository maintenance? |
| 18:24:54 | LinusN | no |
| 18:25:05 | Nixed | bye |
| 18:25:15 | Nixed | thanks for the help |
| 18:25:16 | | Part Nixed |
| 18:27:48 | midknight2k3 | you also did an excellent job on wormlet |
| 18:33:09 | LinusN | yeah, that was langhaarrocker |
| 18:40:15 | midknight2k3 | never could have imagined you could do something like that |
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| 18:48:22 | midknight2k3 | hi |
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| 19:06:05 | midknight2k3 | hello |
| 19:07:27 | tracktheripper | hey midknight |
| 19:07:29 | tracktheripper | :) |
| 19:07:54 | midknight2k3 | okay tell me now |
| 19:08:04 | midknight2k3 | why do you always leave right in the middle of something? |
| 19:08:06 | tracktheripper | ? |
| 19:08:19 | tracktheripper | because I get bored of silence thats why |
| 19:08:32 | tracktheripper | usually here a few sentences are said then it goes dead for some reason :-( |
| 19:08:32 | midknight2k3 | hmm |
| 19:08:53 | midknight2k3 | heh okay then if you keep talking of course i will |
| 19:09:09 | tracktheripper | lol im the only one who seems to talk here :-) |
| 19:09:25 | midknight2k3 | im here a lot |
| 19:09:32 | tracktheripper | im looking forward to get my ADSL connection :-) |
| 19:09:50 | midknight2k3 | what are you on right now? |
| 19:10:12 | tracktheripper | 56k |
| 19:10:16 | tracktheripper | ive just ordered ADSL |
| 19:10:19 | midknight2k3 | eeee |
| 19:10:38 | tracktheripper | I was gonna try the cable modem but ive read from a number of sources ADSL is better |
| 19:10:47 | midknight2k3 | cable is very nice |
| 19:11:15 | tracktheripper | the Achille's heel with cable is that you share your bandwidth with everyone else in your area |
| 19:11:28 | tracktheripper | if everyone is using Kazaa then it slows to sub-56k speeds |
| 19:11:31 | midknight2k3 | not a problem i've often notices |
| 19:11:48 | tracktheripper | ive used ADSL before and been very happy, |
| 19:11:56 | tracktheripper | so I decided to stick with ADSL |
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| 19:12:37 | midknight2k3 | speaking of iBooks |
| 19:13:13 | tracktheripper | :) |
| 19:13:20 | midknight2k3 | it's so annoying when people spell that stuff wrong... it's iPod, iBook, iMac not Ipod or Ibook or IMac or IPod |
| 19:13:36 | tracktheripper | BT Openworld kicked off 30,000 of its broadband subscribers |
| 19:13:49 | midknight2k3 | the i is lowecase, next is capital and rest is lowecase |
| 19:14:17 | tracktheripper | yea |
| 19:15:09 | tracktheripper | midknight you not on NTL by any chance? they only let u download 1GB of data per day |
| 19:15:31 | midknight2k3 | no way |
| 19:15:39 | tracktheripper | cool |
| 19:15:57 | tracktheripper | that rather negates the point of broadband, that 1Gb limit |
| 19:16:33 | midknight2k3 | yes |
| 19:16:35 | midknight2k3 | it does |
| 19:17:18 | tracktheripper | :) |
| 19:17:26 | Hes | cable performance varies a lot, depending on the size of the segments and user profile / channel usage |
| 19:17:45 | midknight2k3 | but overall it's good |
| 19:17:47 | Hes | how much bandwidth is allocated per user, and if user traffic is throttled somehow. |
| 19:17:50 | tracktheripper | yea Hes, thats due to the bandwith being shared in an entire neighbourhood |
| 19:18:11 | tracktheripper | with ADSL the connection is yours, its not shared |
| 19:18:12 | Hes | Some operators / hardware get it right, some don't. |
| 19:18:47 | Hes | I actually worked for an ISP, did technical implementations of DSL and cable access networks. Configured the actual routers providing the access. |
| 19:18:57 | Hes | pretty interesting stuff. |
| 19:19:19 | tracktheripper | :) |
| 19:19:21 | tracktheripper | (: |
| 19:19:31 | tracktheripper | I wouldn't mind a 64Mb leased line |
| 19:19:45 | midknight2k3 | This is a ROCKBOX channel. |
| 19:19:54 | midknight2k3 | Not a 'discuss your new isp' channel. |
| 19:20:00 | Hes | Slightly offtopic, yeah. |
| 19:20:11 | Hes | better than nothing, huh? 8-) |
| 19:20:15 | midknight2k3 | glee! |
| 19:20:59 | * | Hes is still dreaming of the CF card interface to the recorder |
| 19:21:02 | tracktheripper | it makes a change from those whinging about inverted video lines or ID3 tags :-) |
| 19:21:24 | midknight2k3 | i'll be back in a little bit don't leave! |
| 19:21:24 | tracktheripper | <−−- is dreaming about putting a 500Gb tape drive in his Archos |
| 19:21:38 | | Quit midknight2k3 ("be back very soon") |
| 19:22:00 | Hes | Heh. I'm going for a few week's bike trip in the central europe next month and it would be useful if I could copy the photos to the recorder |
| 19:22:22 | tracktheripper | Hes you cannot directly copy photos to the Archos without a PC |
| 19:22:39 | Hes | No, not on the USB |
| 19:22:52 | Hes | but you could have two hard disk-like devices on the IDE/ATA bus. |
| 19:22:55 | Hes | Like a CF. |
| 19:23:01 | Hes | And rockbox could copy files between the two. |
| 19:23:31 | Hes | there was a little discussion about this here a couple days ago. |
| 19:23:51 | Hes | Would involve a little tricky hardware modification. |
| 19:24:35 | tracktheripper | lol Hes |
| 19:25:01 | tracktheripper | and could u modify it to put a 500Gb tape drive in it? (loadsa music!) :-) |
| 19:25:39 | Hes | Yes, but that would be more tricky. 8-) |
| 19:25:52 | tracktheripper | would be cool :-) |
| 19:25:59 | tracktheripper | 500Gb worth of MP3s and data :-) |
| 19:27:07 | Hes | Any modification is possible, but the level of trickiness varies 8-) |
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| 19:27:30 | tracktheripper | I wonder what made the Archos so "hackable" compared to other MP3 players |
| 19:28:09 | LinusN | they chose a very clever way of updating the firmware |
| 19:28:15 | tracktheripper | yea |
| 19:28:36 | LinusN | and their product attracted geeks |
| 19:28:52 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 19:28:55 | tracktheripper | like yourself? |
| 19:28:55 | tracktheripper | :) |
| 19:29:05 | LinusN | i chose the archos because of their no-bullshit approach |
| 19:29:24 | LinusN | no silly custom programs for doanloading the music |
| 19:29:26 | tracktheripper | but that would upset the record companies being non-SDMI compliant |
| 19:29:39 | LinusN | and it allows for general data storage |
| 19:29:51 | tracktheripper | Creative Playcenter rules the roost for MP3 and data! (not!) |
| 19:30:55 | tracktheripper | ive had a Creative Labs Nomad once |
| 19:30:59 | tracktheripper | never again |
| 19:32:01 | Hes | Hi Linus. Great work on the FM tuner. |
| 19:32:25 | tracktheripper | Hes, there is no "Fixed" in Feature Requests or Bugs for the FM tuner |
| 19:32:30 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 19:34:06 | LinusN | Hes: thanks |
| 19:35:08 | tracktheripper | Hes, does rockbox improve on the FM sound quality? |
| 19:35:26 | LinusN | i doubt it very much |
| 19:35:49 | * | Hes has nothing to do with the FM. I don't even have one 8-) |
| 19:35:53 | tracktheripper | well i know rockbox impreves on the MP3 quality |
| 19:36:50 | tracktheripper | the FM circuit is prob an afterthought |
| 19:37:07 | LinusN | we should all thank Matthew P O'Reilly for the FM recorder support |
| 19:37:17 | Stevie-O | who? |
| 19:37:48 | LinusN | He gave me an FM Recorder for my birthday, so I could work on it |
| 19:37:59 | Hes | That's a very valuable gift. |
| 19:38:03 | LinusN | indeed |
| 19:38:08 | Hes | From someone you don't actually know. |
| 19:38:09 | Stevie-O | oh! cool |
| 19:38:13 | LinusN | he is a true rockbox hero |
| 19:38:25 | Stevie-O | I got my FM for my birthday from my Dad |
| 19:38:25 | LinusN | i have never met him |
| 19:38:32 | Stevie-O | niiice guy |
| 19:38:36 | Stevie-O | they're not cheap |
| 19:38:54 | Stevie-O | not in the least |
| 19:38:59 | tracktheripper | The Achille's heel with the FM recorder is the fishy batteries |
| 19:39:16 | LinusN | Stevie-O: i had it for 2 hours before i took it apart :-) |
| 19:39:22 | Stevie-O | LinusN: haha |
| 19:39:25 | Stevie-O | the batteries aren't so much 'fishy' as significantly different |
| 19:40:01 | tracktheripper | yes but they are non-standard proprietory jobs and the charging is done by hardware, not software :-(# |
| 19:40:14 | Stevie-O | the charging properties of Li-ions are somewhat opposite that of NiCd and NiMH |
| 19:40:23 | tracktheripper | :-? |
| 19:40:34 | Stevie-O | while nicads and nimh's need to be discharged before recharging |
| 19:40:38 | Stevie-O | the 'memory effect' |
| 19:40:42 | Hes | if the hardware charger actually works, we don't mind that being in hardware... |
| 19:40:46 | tracktheripper | ok Linus, how does the FM recorder "feel" in the hand compared to the normal Recorder |
| 19:40:51 | Stevie-O | Li-ion batteries prefer being "topped off" |
| 19:41:02 | Hes | easier for us, no need to work on getting that done the Right Way. |
| 19:41:03 | LinusN | tracktheripper: it's much nicer, imho |
| 19:41:08 | Stevie-O | that's why the FM recorder sucks power from every source it can, anytime it can |
| 19:41:17 | Stevie-O | AC adapter |
| 19:41:19 | Stevie-O | USB |
| 19:41:20 | tracktheripper | but I feel the normal Recorder looks nicer |
| 19:41:34 | LinusN | i think the fm looks better |
| 19:41:51 | LinusN | but ithas technical issues i can't stand |
| 19:42:02 | tracktheripper | but at least the normal Rec looks like an MP3 player |
| 19:42:05 | LinusN | no digital out and no remote |
| 19:42:24 | Stevie-O | I was wondering what the 'remote' you guys referred to was |
| 19:42:49 | tracktheripper | the FM rec looks like a melted Ipod |
| 19:43:29 | Stevie-O | my dad has a Player |
| 19:43:33 | Stevie-O | man |
| 19:43:37 | Stevie-O | character-cell based crap SUCKS |
| 19:43:39 | tracktheripper | YUCK! |
| 19:43:40 | Stevie-O | oh, Linus! |
| 19:43:51 | Stevie-O | (keep in mind, he got it a few years ago for his bd) |
| 19:44:01 | Stevie-O | linus, did you check out my menutest build? |
| 19:44:23 | tracktheripper | Linus why don't you remove the Player rockbox altogether? |
| 19:44:26 | tracktheripper | :D |
| 19:44:30 | Stevie-O | lol |
| 19:44:37 | Stevie-O | we can't leave those poor souls behind |
| 19:44:54 | Stevie-O | they'd wither and die on the original Archos firmware |
| 19:45:09 | tracktheripper | heehee |
| 19:45:19 | Stevie-O | ripper |
| 19:45:27 | Stevie-O | last friday I was given an FM for my bday |
| 19:45:31 | tracktheripper | and why oh why did they put a Line In on the Player when its just for show?!??! |
| 19:45:39 | Stevie-O | last saturday I had already crashed it once |
| 19:45:54 | Stevie-O | with a long filename and a very full id3 tag |
| 19:46:10 | tracktheripper | did rockbox rectify that? |
| 19:46:28 | Stevie-O | hell yeah |
| 19:46:33 | Stevie-O | its id3 handling is so much better |
| 19:46:34 | tracktheripper | :-) |
| 19:46:36 | tracktheripper | :D |
| 19:46:46 | Stevie-O | I only had the thing 1 day and I saw severe display corruption |
| 19:46:55 | tracktheripper | perhaps Bjorn and co should now work for Archos........ |
| 19:47:15 | Stevie-O | the original Archos firmware supported a max of 999 files+dirs in one shot |
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| 19:47:27 | Stevie-O | come back soon Linus! |
| 19:47:46 | Stevie-O | I wonder if it didn't also make sure it limited the number of bytes |
| 19:47:49 | Stevie-O | and that's why it crashed |
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| 19:56:57 | Stevie-O | sup kremlar |
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| 20:07:15 | kremlar | heya |
| 20:08:16 | kremlar | since rockbox isn't doing archos multimedia firmware, are there any known groups that are? |
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| 20:47:48 | SeanL994 | hello |
| 20:48:37 | SeanL994 | i bought a 20gb archos PLAYER from ebay the otherday( i dont have it yet) and i was wondering what i should know about the rockbox? it seems like it was 'made' for the 20gb Recorder model.. but how is it on the player? |
| 20:50:14 | tracktheripper | whilst its an improvement over the Archos firmware, it won't have as many features as the Recorder rockbox |
| 20:50:59 | SeanL994 | so is it worth it? |
| 20:51:37 | SeanL994 | so.. i cant play doom or tetris?(just wondering) |
| 20:52:28 | tracktheripper | No games |
| 20:52:38 | SeanL994 | heh bummer |
| 20:53:10 | tracktheripper | what do you expect with only 22 character cells? |
| 20:53:12 | SeanL994 | i have seen MANY pictures of the actuall screen of the recorder version of the archos.. and i have seen pics of the studio one.. they are sooo different |
| 20:53:28 | tracktheripper | yea, the Recorder has a full dot-matrix screen |
| 20:53:33 | SeanL994 | damn.. |
| 20:53:33 | tracktheripper | not limited to 22 character cells |
| 20:53:37 | SeanL994 | i got srewed.. |
| 20:53:38 | SeanL994 | lol |
| 20:53:47 | tracktheripper | you should refund your Player and get a Recorder immediatly |
| 20:53:59 | SeanL994 | i payed $175 do you think that i got ripped off? |
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| 20:54:27 | tracktheripper | yea since the Recorder is only slightly more |
| 20:54:38 | DJcairo | whats up |
| 20:54:43 | SeanL994 | well. that sucks.. i'm ma |
| 20:54:45 | SeanL994 | (mad) |
| 20:55:16 | SeanL994 | but.. is the sound quality? User interface all the same?besides the 22 character limit? |
| 20:55:21 | DJcairo | anybody know of a way to just import my entire library from musicmatch over into the archos fm recorder? |
| 20:55:32 | DJcairo | finding all the tracks that are scattered around my computer is a pain |
| 20:55:40 | DJcairo | but they are all tagged in the library |
| 20:55:49 | tracktheripper | Sould quality and build quality isn't as good, and the interface is very hard to use on the player |
| 20:56:06 | SeanL994 | press Windows key+F search for *.mp3 |
| 20:56:14 | tracktheripper | you shot yourself in the foot buying a Player |
| 20:56:20 | SeanL994 | oh.. ok ripper.. i hope i can return tthis thing |
| 20:56:39 | DJcairo | isa there anyway for the archos to detect whioch new tracks have been added to your windows system? |
| 20:56:40 | tracktheripper | well sorry to be blunt, but there you go |
| 20:56:43 | DJcairo | like the ipod will do? |
| 20:56:51 | tracktheripper | No DJ |
| 20:56:59 | tracktheripper | you have to manually export the tracks yourself |
| 20:57:19 | DJcairo | too bad |
| 20:57:30 | tracktheripper | this is because the Archos just functions like a plain hard drive when hooked up to ur PC |
| 20:57:42 | DJcairo | i mean i know i saved some money buying it but the amount of time I'm spending organizing my music is insane |
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| 20:57:43 | SeanL994 | ok.. i understand your hatred for the player version.. but what if this is just going to be mainly in my car? with random on.. basicly does it matter? |
| 20:58:22 | tracktheripper | Sean, I do not "hate the player", im just saying its a more primative unit than the Recorder, If you want it for car use it should be fine |
| 20:58:28 | SeanL994 | (i didnt want to spend over $200 on a mp3 player period.. thats why i went with the player version |
| 20:58:31 | DJcairo | anything cool in teh new rockbox builds? |
| 20:58:51 | tracktheripper | DJ Check out Feature Requests and the docs page for details |
| 20:58:55 | DJcairo | i have 2.0 inctalled |
| 20:58:56 | SeanL994 | ok ripper sounds fine to me then lol.. i'm used to 'not having the best of the best' |
| 20:58:56 | DJcairo | ok |
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| 20:59:30 | tracktheripper | hey Jzoss |
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| 20:59:37 | jzoss | 14howdy =) |
| 20:59:57 | tracktheripper | ;D |
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| 21:00:10 | SeanL994 | where can i get detailed pics of the user interface of the player? |
| 21:00:21 | jzoss | 14The manual? |
| 21:00:35 | SeanL994 | (dont have it ye) |
| 21:01:06 | tracktheripper | well Sean have you seen a pic of the Player's LCD? |
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| 21:01:17 | jzoss | 14nono...I wasn't being glib. Rockbox has a manual. |
| 21:01:22 | SeanL994 | just 1 or maybe 2 |
| 21:01:35 | tracktheripper | Jzoss can you change your color, i can't read it |
| 21:02:12 | SeanL994 | i couldnt really tell.. i wanna see what the browsing feature.. like ok... i have 198 albums (17 gigs) is it gonna suck finding an album i want? |
| 21:02:31 | tracktheripper | well its gonna be hard with just 22 character cells |
| 21:02:40 | SeanL994 | does it scroll at least? |
| 21:02:47 | tracktheripper | plus you use LEFT and RIGHT to move UP and DOWN in the menus |
| 21:03:37 | tracktheripper | yea Sean ID3 tags do scroll |
| 21:03:40 | tracktheripper | and filenames |
| 21:03:43 | SeanL994 | TELL me there is a RANDOM feature on this thing! ..lol thats why i got it "200 disc changer in the car" |
| 21:03:54 | SeanL994 | yea. i figured that |
| 21:04:19 | tracktheripper | Sean there is a Shuffle mode, but it only works in a playlist or in the folder that you are "in" when Shuffle is activated |
| 21:04:33 | tracktheripper | Shuffle will not shuffle across all folders unless you make up a huge playlist |
| 21:04:46 | SeanL994 | oh.. so i could just make a playlist of all the albums?thats easy enough |
| 21:04:50 | jzoss | rockbox manual covers alot of these UI issues... http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/manual.pdf |
| 21:05:13 | SeanL994 | that site doesnt work :( |
| 21:05:17 | jzoss | (with screenshots! =) |
| 21:05:48 | jzoss | whoops. bad URL. Try this: http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/manual.pdf |
| 21:05:50 | SeanL994 | that site doesnt work |
| 21:05:52 | SeanL994 | ok |
| 21:06:02 | SeanL994 | nope |
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| 21:06:20 | jzoss | arrr. I mean http://rockbox.haxx.se/manual/manual.pdf |
| 21:06:26 | tracktheripper | Sean the Recorder has a very useful "Screen Invert" mode |
| 21:06:29 | jzoss | Stupid copy/paste.... ARrrr... |
| 21:06:52 | SeanL994 | i might sell this on ebay.. and buy the recorder version from circuit city, my friend works there. he gets stuff at 'cost' what would you guess it will be? |
| 21:07:26 | SeanL994 | oh yea.. that pdf makes me depressed lol... looking at the 'file browser for the player model and the recorder modle |
| 21:07:37 | tracktheripper | awwwwwwwww |
| 21:07:38 | tracktheripper | :( |
| 21:07:39 | jzoss | yah. Seeing is believing |
| 21:07:45 | tracktheripper | heehee |
| 21:08:12 | SeanL994 | i mean.. damnit.. my TDK MoJo has a better screen then that player model |
| 21:08:20 | tracktheripper | lol |
| 21:08:42 | tracktheripper | Sean the Recorder's screen colours can be reversed |
| 21:08:47 | tracktheripper | white text on black background |
| 21:09:23 | SeanL994 | oh! badass |
| 21:09:24 | SeanL994 | lol |
| 21:09:39 | tracktheripper | looks great at night with the backlight oin |
| 21:10:28 | SeanL994 | well it'll be velcro'd to my dash.. or hiding under my seat in the car.. so either way heh i wont be looking at it i'll be looking at the road ;) |
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| 21:16:40 | SeanL994 | OH..great ripper left.. i have one more question.. i hope somone else can answer! |
| 21:17:13 | SeanL994 | does the 20gb Player model have usb 2.0? i read reviews.. people say that it DOES.. but on the site it says 1.1 whats the deal?please |
| 21:17:34 | SeanL994 | and.. if it is 1.1 how long is it gonna take to transfew 17 gigs of mp3s? |
| 21:19:45 | jzoss | I dunno about player models... recorder20 definitely is USB2.0 |
| 21:20:02 | SeanL994 | shoot.. i'm gonna be so pissed if its not 2.0 |
| 21:20:15 | jzoss | USB1.1 will take A WHILE to transfer that much data. |
| 21:20:28 | SeanL994 | like 20 hours or so |
| 21:20:41 | jzoss | I did my first transfer (only a few gigs), and it took well over an hour, if I remember right. |
| 21:20:48 | jzoss | I forget the exact transfer rates. |
| 21:20:59 | SeanL994 | for the recorder?or player? |
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| 21:21:38 | jzoss | recorder, but over USB1.1. Transfer rate is same for either device over USB1.1 |
| 21:22:04 | SeanL994 | right |
| 21:22:37 | jzoss | On the flip side, my recorder (a rec15) was originally USB1, but the one I bought had a sticker slapped on the box that said USB2.0! |
| 21:22:46 | jzoss | And indeed, they'd upgraded the chip inside to usb2. |
| 21:22:51 | SeanL994 | yea .. i'm gonnna go with plan B.. sell it on ebay and buy at CC with discount |
| 21:22:51 | jzoss | I bought that a few months ago. |
| 21:22:56 | jzoss | So maybe you'll luck out. |
| 21:23:06 | SeanL994 | oh ok |
| 21:23:10 | jzoss | I think the recorder is a much nicer unit, though, if you can swing the extra cash. |
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| 21:24:04 | SeanL994 | i have a feeling i can get it from CC for about the same price as i paid |
| 21:24:34 | SeanL994 | my parents alredy think i'm an ass (yes i'm just 17) for buying a mp3 player for (almost) 200 bucks |
| 21:25:11 | jzoss | yah. My rec15 was $180 |
| 21:25:33 | SeanL994 | from where? |
| 21:25:42 | SeanL994 | eh 15 gigs wouldnt be enough for me :( |
| 21:26:17 | SeanL994 | thats only like 18-19 mp3 cd's |
| 21:27:01 | jzoss | circuit city |
| 21:27:16 | jzoss | You realize you don't *have* to store all your music on the unit, right? |
| 21:27:20 | SeanL994 | oh.. cc doesnt sell the 15 gig (that i know of) |
| 21:27:27 | SeanL994 | but i want to |
| 21:27:36 | jzoss | You can't keep track of 20Gigs of music at one time. Sheesh! |
| 21:27:50 | SeanL994 | 200 disc changer in my ca |
| 21:27:51 | SeanL994 | car |
| 21:28:07 | jzoss | heh. Well this'll be a little bit more portable than that |
| 21:28:24 | SeanL994 | no i mean. i'll have 200 disc's on the archos |
| 21:28:38 | SeanL994 | i have all full albums on my comp about 200 of them only 17 gigs |
| 21:29:48 | SeanL994 | thus giving me a 200 disc changer in the car :) |
| 21:29:51 | jzoss | ahhh. |
| 21:29:56 | jzoss | gotchya |
| 21:30:33 | SeanL994 | ok then. catch ya later. |
| 21:30:38 | SeanL994 | i might check back here when i get the unit |
| 21:31:05 | jzoss | good luck! |
| 21:31:19 | SeanL994 | at least tell me i made the right choice by getting the 'player version' over the RIO RIOT? |
| 21:38:35 | jzoss | I like the archos units, player or recorder over other options. |
| 21:38:49 | jzoss | std USB-harddrive interface is a plus, and rockbox is a bigger plus |
| 21:39:17 | SeanL994 | oh yea.. i forgot.. but.. should i use rockbox with the player? or just stick with the original? |
| 21:39:33 | SeanL994 | i know when i get the recorder one i will definitly use rockbox |
| 21:39:50 | jzoss | It wouldn't hurt to try it. |
| 21:40:02 | jzoss | You can always revert back to the original firmware. It's trivial |
| 21:40:22 | SeanL994 | ok sounds good. i'm off to CC now i gotta see what kind of discount i can get |
| 21:40:23 | SeanL994 | peace |
| 21:40:27 | jzoss | cya |
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