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| 00:01:34 | LinusN | same person: London_Blade [0] (jirc@ACBBFD88.ipt.aol.com) |
| 00:01:41 | LinusN | hi Zagor |
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| 00:04:36 | BoD[] | tracktheripper is playing tricks |
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| 00:04:59 | tracktheripper | IM BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:05:44 | BoD[] | arf |
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| 00:15:57 | alexandre | I opened a patch : 732369 |
| 00:23:49 | LinusN | maybe a keyhandler is a too complicated solution |
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| 00:25:59 | Stevie-O | hola |
| 00:26:02 | LinusN | yo |
| 00:26:04 | Stevie-O | Linus! |
| 00:26:19 | Stevie-O | I saw your email mentioning that you were planning to clean up the menus |
| 00:26:27 | LinusN | yeah |
| 00:26:37 | Stevie-O | have you seen my menutest2 build? |
| 00:26:56 | LinusN | nope, i haven't tried it yet |
| 00:27:06 | Stevie-O | give it a shot, I'd really like to know what you think |
| 00:28:06 | Stevie-O | http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/rockbox/menutest2-fm.ajz |
| 00:30:10 | | Nick _seb_ is now known as seb-away (Sean@bgp420584bgs.union01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 00:30:11 | tracktheripper | the FM recorder seems to get all the eattention now |
| 00:30:12 | tracktheripper | :-( |
| 00:30:21 | Stevie-O | what? |
| 00:30:27 | Stevie-O | I have an FM |
| 00:30:36 | Stevie-O | http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/rockbox/menutest2-rec.ajz |
| 00:30:44 | Stevie-O | if you wanna check it out for Recorder, it's there too |
| 00:30:50 | Stevie-O | and due to someone's request on the mailing list |
| 00:30:54 | Stevie-O | I even built a player version |
| 00:31:34 | tracktheripper | well, i have a version of Rockbox that even includes on-the-fly ID3 tag entering |
| 00:32:37 | Stevie-O | you don't need to use it as a permanent replacement |
| 00:32:52 | Stevie-O | (which is why it's not called ajbrec.ajz) |
| 00:32:56 | Stevie-O | just rolo it |
| 00:33:00 | tracktheripper | i know, i keep it alonside the latest bleeding edge and i boot into it when required |
| 00:33:57 | Stevie-O | oh |
| 00:34:01 | tracktheripper | I know people say "Edit ID3 tags with a PC" (take a bow LinusN) but I download MP3s directly to the Archos and editing the tags on the Archos is less hassle than using a PC |
| 00:34:15 | Stevie-O | I use The Godfather |
| 00:34:18 | Stevie-O | to do id3s |
| 00:34:37 | tracktheripper | MusicMatch is good for ID3 tags as well |
| 00:35:00 | Stevie-O | does it have automatic get-id3-tag-from-filename? |
| 00:35:08 | tracktheripper | yes |
| 00:35:09 | Stevie-O | and automatic rename-file-based-on-id3? |
| 00:35:11 | LinusN | Stevie-O: i think all the ...'s are cluttering up the menu |
| 00:35:14 | tracktheripper | yes |
| 00:35:23 | Stevie-O | LinusN: yeah, I need an ellipsis char |
| 00:35:33 | LinusN | why do you need it at all? |
| 00:35:34 | Stevie-O | but that wasn't the big change |
| 00:35:37 | LinusN | i know |
| 00:35:39 | Stevie-O | go into the Sound menu |
| 00:35:43 | LinusN | i did |
| 00:35:51 | Stevie-O | and hows it look? |
| 00:36:03 | LinusN | perhaps a bit confusing at first |
| 00:36:20 | LinusN | but i'd like to change the setting "on the fly" |
| 00:36:25 | Stevie-O | in the menu there? |
| 00:36:37 | LinusN | yes |
| 00:36:39 | Stevie-O | that was on the 'to-do if it's popular' list |
| 00:36:47 | Stevie-O | the diff is huge |
| 00:37:03 | Stevie-O | because it runs on top of another change |
| 00:37:22 | Stevie-O | which allows the values to be stored in preconstructed tables |
| 00:37:29 | Stevie-O | while still supporting language changes |
| 00:37:42 | Stevie-O | (which of course is a definite requirement) |
| 00:38:01 | LinusN | i'd like a slider option as well |
| 00:38:03 | Stevie-O | http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/rockbox/rockbox-daily-20030502-to-menutest2.diff |
| 00:38:05 | Stevie-O | a slider option? |
| 00:38:14 | LinusN | sliders instead of numbers |
| 00:38:19 | LinusN | or both |
| 00:38:19 | tracktheripper | yea Linnus a slider would be cool :-) |
| 00:38:27 | Stevie-O | If you can think it up |
| 00:38:30 | tracktheripper | Linus just nick the sliders out of the archos firmware |
| 00:38:30 | Stevie-O | I can almost certainly code it |
| 00:39:25 | tracktheripper | Zagor doesn't like the slliders though |
| 00:39:32 | LinusN | he does |
| 00:39:38 | Stevie-O | but |
| 00:39:40 | tracktheripper | ohh |
| 00:39:40 | Stevie-O | what about Players? |
| 00:39:51 | LinusN | it's just that he doesn't like the archos sliders |
| 00:40:11 | tracktheripper | ohh |
| 00:40:15 | Stevie-O | what are the Archos sliders? |
| 00:40:41 | LinusN | the sound settings in the original firmware |
| 00:40:47 | Stevie-O | hm |
| 00:40:51 | Stevie-O | i have the original firmware around here somewhere |
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| 00:41:56 | Stevie-O | mh |
| 00:42:07 | Stevie-O | they don't display any numeric values |
| 00:42:11 | LinusN | nope |
| 00:42:14 | Stevie-O | do you have a picture |
| 00:42:20 | Stevie-O | or can you draw a picture |
| 00:42:25 | Stevie-O | of what you'd like the sliders to look like? |
| 00:42:30 | Stevie-O | and did you take a look at that diff? |
| 00:45:14 | Stevie-O | brb, food |
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| 00:46:40 | LinusN | woo, that diff is HUGE |
| 00:50:41 | LinusN | you like #define a lot, don't you? |
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| 00:56:49 | BoD[] | i hate #define :) |
| 00:56:58 | LinusN | and typedef |
| 00:57:39 | BoD[] | well |
| 00:57:45 | BoD[] | they're ok |
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| 00:58:34 | Stevie-O | it's not so much that I like #define |
| 00:58:41 | Stevie-O | as it is that I hate typing redundant things |
| 00:58:58 | Stevie-O | so if I can find a formulaic way of doing something |
| 00:59:01 | Stevie-O | I'll do it |
| 00:59:28 | LinusN | using macros often makes the code harder to read imho |
| 00:59:43 | BoD[] | i agree! |
| 00:59:45 | Stevie-O | well |
| 00:59:46 | LinusN | often, not always |
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| 01:00:02 | BoD[] | ioccc.org can prove this ;) |
| 01:00:11 | LinusN | hehe |
| 01:00:17 | Stevie-O | it depends on how well they're used |
| 01:00:17 | Stevie-O | if done right, they take complicated formulas and condense them into an easy-to-read thing |
| 01:00:49 | LinusN | but may hide important details in the process |
| 01:05:10 | LinusN | anyway, i'm not sure i like the LANG_ID/char* trick |
| 01:05:20 | LinusN | it works, but feels kind of messy |
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| 01:27:25 | alexandre | bye |
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| 01:27:41 | LinusN | bye |
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| 02:07:29 | | Join frzd [0] (~jirc@pool-151-198-130-182.mad.east.verizon.net) |
| 02:07:33 | frzd | hi |
| 02:07:38 | LinusN | hi |
| 02:07:51 | frzd | I just bought a JukeBox Studio 20, and i played aroudn with the old firmware |
| 02:07:57 | frzd | now i tried the new rockbox firmware... |
| 02:08:29 | frzd | and i notice during on the course of a 5 minute song, the unit will begin to vibrate and flash the red light ever minute or so |
| 02:08:51 | frzd | on the old unit i felt the vibrating (i assume spinning up) once and the beginning, and once near the end |
| 02:09:05 | frzd | and the red light didn't flash |
| 02:09:19 | frzd | i don't know if this is a bug, or an intended feature, i'm just kind of curious as to what it means |
| 02:09:24 | frzd | any ideas? |
| 02:09:47 | LinusN | the red light means "disk access", much like the hard disk light on your PC |
| 02:10:01 | frzd | weird, the old firmware didn't do that |
| 02:10:14 | LinusN | why is that weird? |
| 02:10:26 | frzd | the old firmware didn't do it, that's all |
| 02:10:28 | LinusN | they don't blink the LED but we do |
| 02:10:36 | frzd | ok, makes sense |
| 02:10:51 | frzd | so is there a reason why the old firmware spins up the disk less often? |
| 02:11:21 | LinusN | it's usually the opposite |
| 02:11:30 | frzd | really? that's weird |
| 02:11:54 | LinusN | what bit rate? |
| 02:12:05 | frzd | ummm |
| 02:12:32 | frzd | 192kbps 44.1khz |
| 02:12:44 | LinusN | then you are mistaken |
| 02:13:17 | frzd | weird... |
| 02:13:19 | LinusN | 192kbit/s is roughly 1.5megs/minute |
| 02:13:31 | LinusN | how long is the file? |
| 02:13:34 | LinusN | in bytes |
| 02:13:37 | frzd | because the song is actually 3:51, the old firmware said it was 5 minutes |
| 02:13:41 | frzd | in bytes... it's.. |
| 02:13:50 | frzd | 5.31mb |
| 02:14:13 | LinusN | the total RAM size is 2Mbytes |
| 02:14:31 | frzd | so reading the disk once every minute or so makes sense |
| 02:14:49 | LinusN | yes, and the archos firmware is no different |
| 02:14:56 | frzd | could it be that the default firmware keeps the disk spinning for longer |
| 02:14:57 | frzd | ? |
| 02:15:11 | LinusN | yes, but not for a minute |
| 02:15:33 | frzd | that's weird.. i'll test it again with the default firmware |
| 02:15:42 | LinusN | do so |
| 02:17:54 | frzd | i'm assuming that you know what you're doing, and that spinning up down every minute or so isn't bad for the disc, or a waste of batteries, right? |
| 02:18:14 | frzd | because you were right, i was mistaken |
| 02:18:24 | LinusN | on the contrary, keeping the disk spinning is a battery killer |
| 02:18:45 | frzd | really? i always thought spinning the disc off and on was bad as well |
| 02:18:57 | frzd | you catch me mistaken yet again :) |
| 02:19:16 | LinusN | laptop disks are designed for it |
| 02:19:23 | frzd | oh ok |
| 02:19:31 | frzd | thanks for your help |
| 02:19:36 | LinusN | you're welcome |
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| 04:03:56 | Jet8810 | hmm |
| 04:04:02 | Jet8810 | what are those really high quality heapdohnes again? |
| 04:04:08 | Jet8810 | bonnheisner or something? |
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| 04:10:03 | Norrin | Quick question, how do you access the FM radio menu on the new Rockbox firmware? |
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| 04:18:48 | Norrin | Looked through the last three days worth of IRC chat, not mention of how to get to the FM radio. |
| 04:22:29 | Stevie-O | you'd probably need Linus's build I assume |
| 04:22:47 | Stevie-O | and if you have that −− well, Record mode is off of the main menu on F1 |
| 04:24:23 | Norrin | I have the latest daily build. Don't see an option for FM Radio anywhere. |
| 04:24:57 | Stevie-O | It might not be in there |
| 04:25:16 | Stevie-O | I don't know if it's been committed to the official cvs repository |
| 04:25:55 | Norrin | The notes for the "tarballs" says it has since build 0503 |
| 04:26:03 | Stevie-O | I just committed my first attempt at an FM radio screen on the FM |
| 04:26:03 | Stevie-O | recorder. It is just a proof of concept with no bells and whistles, and |
| 04:26:03 | Stevie-O | no localization. |
| 04:26:06 | Stevie-O | hm |
| 04:26:12 | Stevie-O | You can select "FM Radio" from the main menu. |
| 04:26:12 | Stevie-O | Keys: |
| 04:26:14 | Stevie-O | thats from the email |
| 04:27:05 | Norrin | FM Radio isn't on the main menu if the main menu is what you get when you push F1. |
| 04:27:14 | Stevie-O | well |
| 04:27:17 | Norrin | Using 030504 build. |
| 04:27:45 | Stevie-O | I'm assuming that you're sane enough to be using an FM Recorder... |
| 04:27:56 | Norrin | Greatly appreciate your help, just excited about having FM radio back. |
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| 04:28:03 | Norrin | Yep, the new and improved. |
| 04:28:07 | Stevie-O | mkay |
| 04:28:15 | * | Stevie-O ignores the fact that 'new' and 'improved' are mutually exclusive ;) |
| 04:28:29 | Stevie-O | gotta love marketing |
| 04:28:58 | Stevie-O | but, I don't know how to get it to work |
| 04:29:16 | Stevie-O | I take it you don't subscribe to the mailing list? |
| 04:29:38 | Norrin | I do but I have never received anything. |
| 04:29:58 | Stevie-O | weird. |
| 04:30:18 | Stevie-O | http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/rockbox/menutest2-fm.ajz |
| 04:30:25 | Stevie-O | I was fiddling with menu code |
| 04:30:31 | Stevie-O | check out the Sound menu |
| 04:32:09 | Stevie-O | WOO 5.29k/s |
| 04:32:35 | Norrin | I'm looking throught the mailing list to hopefully find a clue. |
| 04:33:05 | Norrin | CVS notes says patches were applied but FM Radio not on F1 menu. |
| 04:33:09 | Norrin | Still looking. |
| 04:33:39 | Stevie-O | double-check what the Version option says? |
| 04:34:10 | Norrin | CVS 030504 |
| 04:34:57 | Stevie-O | weird. |
| 04:35:26 | Norrin | Just downloaded the bleeding edge one, it's there. |
| 04:35:53 | Stevie-O | but it wasn't in 030504? |
| 04:36:21 | Norrin | Nope. |
| 04:36:48 | Stevie-O | well |
| 04:36:50 | Stevie-O | maybe Linus knows |
| 04:37:04 | Stevie-O | hmm |
| 04:37:06 | Stevie-O | I just realized |
| 04:38:37 | Stevie-O | that the SDK is bzip2'd |
| 04:38:47 | Stevie-O | but the daily builds are gzipped |
| 04:39:36 | Norrin | The bleeding edge build works, I can get some sleep now. I'll check tomorrow to see if it's in the daily builds. |
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