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#rockbox log for 2003-05-28

00:00:07LinusNit is full of errors
00:00:10Stevie[FP]it looks like MD0,
00:00:11Stevie[FP]oh
00:00:16Stevie[FP]ok
00:00:23[IDC]DragonThe schematic has some bugs (not complainig in any way)
00:00:30Stevie[FP]if he has MD0, MD1, MD2 inverted
00:00:40[IDC]DragonYes, indeed.
00:00:42Stevie[FP]i.e. ones drawn as tied to VCC are tied to ground, and vice versa
00:00:51Stevie[FP]then things make a LOT more sense
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00:00:59[IDC]DragonThat confused me, too.
00:01:08Stevie[FP]so he does have them backwards?
00:01:43_aLFLinusN> I started to cut my patch about radio
00:01:55LinusN?
00:02:14_aLFto add sensitivity, force mono
00:02:25_aLFupdate presets
00:02:28_aLFrecord
00:02:42Stevie[FP]he should have made them .PNG files so we could edit them :P
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00:03:03LinusNdoes the sensitivity setting do any good for you?
00:03:05Stevie[FP]74hc573
00:03:06Stevie[FP]mh
00:03:22Stevie[FP]8-bit latch
00:03:23LinusNStevie[FP]: he should have used Eagle
00:03:31_aLFLinusN> It depends
00:03:33Stevie[FP]I don't have anything that can do eagle :P
00:03:40Bagdersurely you can convert the pdf to png
00:03:44LinusNwell, use Eagle
00:03:53_aLF(but often not)
00:05:17Stevie[FP]LinusN: do you have any idea what is at 0x04000000?
00:08:43LinusNon the recorder, it is used for the parallel interface to the MAS
00:08:52LinusNfor recording
00:09:30LinusNon the Player, i don't know
00:09:42LinusNor, don't remember
00:09:45Stevie[FP]oh, OK
00:10:01Stevie[FP]so when we're pulling stuff from the MAS
00:10:06Stevie[FP]we pull it from 0x04000000
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00:15:56LinusNStevie[FP]: yes
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00:18:01Stevie[FP]wtf is CS0 being used for?
00:18:34Stevie[FP]woah, this is freaky
00:20:48LinusNStevie[FP]: i don't think CS0 is used as a chip select
00:21:14Stevie[FP]it goes to the IDE interface according to the schematics
00:21:43LinusNi'm taking this from memory of course
00:21:58LinusNStevie[FP]: if you have the schematics, why do you ask?
00:22:13Stevie[FP]because they're not correct in all cases
00:22:15Stevie[FP]:P
00:23:07LinusNare you sure that the CS0 and CS1 you see are not ATA signals?
00:25:08*LinusN picks up the schematics to verify
00:25:33Stevie[FP]I have absolutely no idea.
00:25:41Stevie[FP]the schematics aren't clear
00:25:57Stevie[FP]since I have no knowledge of anything ATA-related
00:25:59LinusNon the ATA side i think they are
00:26:16Stevie[FP]so nothing's at 0x08000000?
00:26:42LinusNfrom what i can remember, no
00:26:58LinusNStevie[FP]: what are you looking for?
00:27:26Stevie[FP]to find out what's at each prefix (0x00-0x0F)
00:27:32Stevie[FP]0x00 is the internal ROM, 0x0F is the internal RAM
00:27:40Stevie[FP]0x02 is the external ROM, 0x09 is the external DRAM
00:27:50Stevie[FP]0x05 is the on-chip peripherals
00:27:53LinusNwhat makes you think that every CS pin is used for address decoding?
00:28:01Stevie[FP]Nothing
00:28:14Stevie[FP]in fact, CS4-CS7 appear to be used for other stuff
00:28:55Stevie[FP]CS3 is needed for CASL to byte-access DRAM
00:29:11Stevie[FP]I think
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00:37:58[IDC]DragonLinus, you got mail?
00:44:33LinusNyes
00:45:30[IDC]DragonHow do you like it?
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00:46:33[IDC]DragonI still haven't figured out how to operate this tool, am trying to simulate it.
00:47:25BoD[]hi!
00:47:26LinusNlike it? have you done anything else except disassemble it?
00:47:45Stevie[FP]what tool is this?
00:47:46[IDC]DragonThat was hard work already!
00:48:08LinusNwhich tool did you use?
00:48:35[IDC]DragonSteve: the onboard flash tool that is briefly loaded before the Archos firmware.
00:48:44[IDC]DragonLinus: for disassembly?
00:48:47Stevie[FP]what info do you have on it thus far?
00:49:12LinusN[IDC]Dragon: yes
00:49:26Stevie[FP]LinusN: where's the font that's used for the simulator for Players?
00:49:41LinusNi don't know
00:49:45[IDC]DragonI found an SH disassembler I liked a bit more than the one from our tool dir.
00:50:18[IDC]DragonIt was a bit more clever to find constants and made that vector table.
00:50:55BagderStevie[FP]: uisimulator/common/
00:51:11[IDC]DragonHowever, sometimes it omitted the @ for indirect loads, so I don't like it too much any more.
00:51:23Stevie[FP]Bagder: ty
00:51:42Stevie[FP]blah, I hate doing graphics
00:51:53LinusNtime to reboot into linux
00:51:57LinusNcu in a few
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00:52:01Stevie[FP]cya
00:52:10Stevie[FP]going from console to graphics in a program makes things so much more complex =/
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01:11:21Stevie[FP]wtf
01:11:44Stevie[FP]is the freaking sh-elf-gcc asm() format declared anywhere?
01:13:29[IDC]DragonGoodnight everybody, I'll hit the sack.
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01:33:06hardeepZagor: around?
01:33:59Stevie[FP]prolly not
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01:38:24LinusNdamn, i forgot i had a new monitor
01:38:42Zagorhardeep: i few minutes more, yes
01:38:45LinusNsome XF86Config editing...
01:39:35hardeepZagor: i just had a simple optimization for fat_seek and wanted your thoughts... (http://hardeeps.freeshell.org/patches/seek_optimize.diff)
01:40:01Stevie[FP]linus or zagor
01:40:07hardeepbasically start the seek at last clusternum if possible
01:40:07LinusNStevie[FP]: yes?
01:40:21Stevie[FP]wheres the info documenting the 'asm' handling for sh-elf-gcc?
01:40:30Stevie[FP]lcd_write() uses a "z" construct that's not documented anywhere
01:40:38*Stevie[FP] kicks the dorks who assume everybodys got an x86
01:40:52LinusNStevie[FP]: unfortunately, there is little documentation on that
01:41:00Stevie[FP]well somebody had to know something
01:41:56Stevie[FP]who wrote the lcd code?
01:44:27LinusNi think alan korr wrote the first version
01:44:43Stevie[FP]are we still on the first version?
01:46:01LinusNno, i modified it
01:46:10Stevie[FP]oh
01:46:15Stevie[FP]what did you modify?
01:46:28Zagorhardeep: looks ok, but i'm a bit tired. will look closer tomorrow.
01:47:33hardeepokay
01:48:24LinusNStevie[FP]: not much at all, just a few constants, as far as i can see
01:49:34Stevie[FP]ok
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01:56:46Zagori'm off to bed
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02:02:08Stevie[FP]blah
02:02:16Stevie[FP]we wouldn't happen to have an e-mail address handy for mr Korr, would we?
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02:06:47LinusNi don't have one, in fact, i haven't seen him around for ages
02:07:08Stevie[FP]indeed
02:07:22Stevie[FP]only thing google has is a single mail to the mailing list
02:08:32*Stevie[FP] is away [gone] [KS-MsgLog Off]
02:08:35Stevie[FP]I hate black magic >:(
02:37:47PsycoXulmusic is colorless and odorless
02:44:28PsycoXulheh
02:44:32PsycoXullooks like mtv2 is using aalib
02:44:55PsycoXulbunch of ascii images and video
02:46:23BoD[]where
02:46:25BoD[]when
02:46:26BoD[]how
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03:01:46earHurtsello?
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03:02:52earHurtshas anyone nbuilt a sinmulator nbuild under cugwinnnn
03:03:25hardeepearHurts: I have
03:05:20earHurtswhat's the nmagic, hardeep?
03:06:20hardeepi don't remember having to do anything special...
03:11:45hardeepearHurts: make sure you select X11 as the simulated version
03:12:03hardeepand install the Xfree86-prog package which contains all the headers
03:17:14hardeepjust tried with latest cvs, works great
03:26:43earHurtsthanks
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04:54:29Bryantis anyone here?
04:55:00Bryanti'm having some problems getting windows xp to recognize my archos recorder 20
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06:31:44Bryantanyone here?
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06:49:47Bryantok, maybe later todya
06:49:48Bryanttoday
06:53:08OneCluedCoderhola
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07:01:27Bryanthey
07:01:28Bryantyou there?
07:01:46Bryanti'm trying to get windows xp to recognize my recorder
07:07:26Stevie-Oew, xp
07:07:35Stevie-Owhats the problem?
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07:18:16Bryantsorry
07:18:25Bryantum, i will come back when i'm less occupied
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07:28:09Guestyo i need help i got the patch tool but the tutorial isn't very thorough on applying the patch
07:28:43Guesti go into the folder for patch
07:28:46GuestUSING windows
07:28:56Guestthe tutorial flattens from there
07:29:13Guestjust says type patch > patchfile command promt says no work
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08:33:12Jellohey hey
08:33:14Jellowhat's up all
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08:33:39Jello-Eateranyone awake?
08:34:03hardeepdepends on your definition of awake... =)
08:34:18Jello-Eaterhehe
08:34:45Jello-EaterI have a jukebox studio 10 can i get anything cool for it
08:34:51Jello-Eateri have normal rockbox
08:35:04Jello-Eatercan i put any games or change any leds colors or something
08:35:40hardeepwhatever's already in rockbox is all you get currently... the games/demos are only for the recorder models
08:35:53Jello-Eater:'(
08:36:33hardeepif you have ideas for player games, certainly post them as feature requests (or, even better, implement them!)
08:37:09Jello-Eatermy linux skills aren't to. shall we say good
08:37:10Jello-Eaterha
08:37:33hardeepyou don't need to use linux to work on rockbox
08:37:43hardeepi do the majority of my development on windows using cygwun
08:37:49hardeeper cygwin
08:38:14Jello-Eaterreally
08:40:47dwihnohooray for cygwin
08:43:56Jello-Eater?
08:44:01Jello-Eaterhome/rockbox
08:44:08Jello-Eaterwhere is that in the cygwin folder?
08:44:34dwihnoin home/rockbox, I think :)
08:44:42hardeepJello-Eater: you need to download the rockbox source from cvs
08:44:56dwihno\o/ CVS \o/
08:45:00hardeeper from sourceforge using cvs
08:45:10hardeepsee: http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/firsttime.html
08:45:28Jello-Eateri am reading that
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08:54:04hardeepheya Bagder
08:54:09Bagderhi
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08:58:32Bagdermorning mats
08:59:30matslmorning
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09:02:19Bagdercrappy bostream can't deliver adsl to my house
09:02:45BagderI have to cancel it when I move
09:03:47dwihnoBagder: you'll have to do with regular burktelefon-ADSL ;-)
09:03:59Bagderyeah
09:04:08Bagderif I'm lucky I can get the telia 2mbit one
09:04:45Bagderhaving to cut down on speed is never confortable
09:11:11webmindmorning
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10:20:12Bagderthat was a nice mail
10:20:20Zagoryes
10:28:51dwihno:-) ?
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10:38:45*Bagder stired up the yahoo forum
10:39:37tracktheripper((yawm))
10:39:49dwihnoStir up the bass!
10:40:00tracktheripper:-P
10:40:15tracktheripper(im still half asleep_
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10:44:06Bagderhey!
10:44:21Bagderits now exactly one year since we started doing daily builds
10:44:24tracktheripperHi!!!!!!!
10:44:33tracktheripperHi Bagder!!!
10:44:40Bagderhi track
10:44:44*dwihno puts the "Rockbox celebration hat" on his head.
10:44:56webmindheh
10:45:03dwihno(which is basically a stjärngossestrut from last year) ;)
10:45:10tracktherippercongrats on your daily builds thingy :-)
10:45:59Bagder1.0 was released on june 2nd, so we're soon a year old with releases
10:46:40tracktheripperi remember version 1.0, was nowhere near as good as the Archos firmware........
10:46:41tracktheripper;-)
10:46:54Bagderit didn't work on recorders
10:47:14dwihnoNope
10:47:17dwihnoIt looked pretty though
10:47:23tracktheripperwhat was the very first rejected request??
10:47:32dwihnoEven if the fat driver was all fishy in the beginning ;)
10:47:52Bagdertracktheripper: browse the list sorted on close date ;-)
10:48:04tracktheripperwhere do I find it?
10:48:14tracktheripperi like to see the very first rejected request since this started
10:48:15tracktheripper:-)
10:48:24Bagderhang on
10:48:58tracktheripperthanks :-)
10:48:58tracktheripper:D
10:49:48tracktherippera provided link will be fine ;-)
10:49:50Bagderthe first ones weren't rejected, they were simply closed
10:50:06Bagderhttp://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=browse&group_id=44306&atid=439121
10:50:13tracktherippercheers :-)
10:50:18Bagderselect "closed" and sort by "close date" "ascending"
10:50:24tracktheripperokay
10:50:24tracktheripper:D
10:50:39Bagderthere's no good way to see the rejected only though
10:51:13tracktheripperohh okay
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10:52:44tracktheripperyea just found it :-)
10:52:54tracktheripperat least there is no page devoted to me :-D
10:56:20tracktheripperheehee
10:56:23tracktheripperyea :-)
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12:03:17Quelsarukanyone knows a technopriest?
12:03:21Quelsaruk:)
12:03:41*Bagder kneels in front of his higness
12:04:11QuelsarukBagder: i have a stupid hd
12:04:38Quelsaruki can turn my jukebox on, and it boots up
12:04:43Quelsaruki can play music
12:04:51Quelsarukand record music
12:04:54Quelsaruki can queue
12:05:03Quelsaruki can do everything with it
12:05:05Quelsarukbut...
12:05:11Quelsaruki can't plug it to the computer
12:05:30Quelsarukit doesn't spin up when plugged!!
12:05:48Bagdermaster/slave set right?
12:06:34Quelsaruki've plugged it 2 days ago and was right, i copied over 11 GB to it
12:06:39Bagderoh
12:06:54Quelsarukbut i forgot to copy rockbox
12:08:14Quelsarukand now, i have to use archos firmware!!
12:08:45Bagderpain
12:09:22Quelsaruki know
12:09:40Quelsaruki've disassembled my jukebox, mounted the hd on my external case
12:09:42Quelsarukand nothing
12:09:55Quelsaruki can hear the drive trying to spin up and failing
12:10:15Quelsarukbut still i can boot up the jukebox and work with it
12:10:19Quelsarukreally weird
12:10:39Quelsarukany idea?
12:10:47Bagdernope
12:12:10Quelsarukmaybe cry?
12:13:17Bagderuse a big hammer? ;-)
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12:15:12Quelsaruki used it yesterday, i'm searchign the Mjölner, that the best hammer in these cases ;)
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12:37:38elinenbework :(
12:37:49Quelsaruk¿?
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13:41:16earHurts is the uisimulator/ directory not in cvs?
13:41:47Quelsarukyups
13:41:50Quelsarukit's there
13:42:21Quelsarukbut sometimes, anonymous cvs doesn't get all the files
13:42:40earHurtsI've NEVER gotten it.
13:42:46Quelsarukstrange
13:43:27earHurtsI,m retrieving HEAD branch, should I use another?
13:44:05Quelsaruktry to retrieve uisimulator alone.. just in case...
13:45:11earHurtsI've been using win cvs; what,s the command line for that?
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13:52:18earHurtsplease?
13:52:35Quelsaruki haven't used win cvs...
13:52:49Quelsaruki used cygwin and linux
13:53:13earHurtsthat,s ok. what command line would you use to get uisimulator?
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14:00:09Quelsarukcvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.rockbox.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/rockbox co uisimulator
14:00:19Quelsarukcvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.rockbox.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox gets everything
14:00:43Quelsaruksorry
14:00:48Quelsarukcvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.rockbox.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox-devel
14:00:54Quelsaruk:)
14:01:52earHurtsI think I see the problem: the rockbox module doesn,t include the sim stuff
14:02:19earHurtsI want rockbox-all or rockbox-devel
14:02:37Quelsarukrockbox-devel
14:02:39Quelsaruk:)
14:02:47earHurtsUnfortunately, sourceforge is giving me EOF
14:02:54Quelsaruktry again
14:03:01Quelsarukthat happens a lot of times
14:03:02Quelsaruk:(
14:03:29earHurtsworking now on attempt 15 ;)
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14:06:43earHurtscrap. all gets alot of .njpgs.
14:06:58Quelsarukall gets the website also
14:07:10Quelsarukthat's why i told you to use devel
14:07:12Quelsaruk:P
14:07:27earHurtsyeah, yeah ;)
14:22:20earHurtswhat's it mean when make prints Error 255?
14:23:46Quelsarukdunno
14:23:47Quelsaruk:(
14:23:48Quelsaruksorry
14:23:52earHurtsnp
14:24:00Quelsarukwhat does it say?
14:26:39earHurtsnjust that. it seems to be trying to convnert a font or sonmething
14:27:23earHurtssorry, I'm not at the computer anymore
14:27:42earHurtsso I xan't say exactly
14:29:42earHurtsknow anything abnout the m3u specification?
14:30:43Quelsaruk:(
14:30:46Quelsaruknot really
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14:31:23quel|lunchlunch time
14:31:25quel|lunch:)
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15:45:15Stevie[FP]anyone here?
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15:55:59jdariusHi...is there an option for turning off the backlight while charging the Archos Recorder?
15:59:10Stevie[FP]er
15:59:12Stevie[FP]yeah
15:59:48Stevie[FP]it's called 'backlight on while plugged in' under "General Settings/Display"
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16:02:24jdariusI set "Backlight on when plugged" to "No," but it is still lit when charging.
16:02:30Stevie[FP]odd
16:02:37Stevie[FP]is it doing the Archos charge or the Rockbox charge?
16:02:49Stevie[FP]i.e. is it 'on'?
16:03:21jdariusNo, it's always off when I plug it in to the adapter.
16:03:31Stevie[FP]then it's doing the Archos charge
16:03:37Stevie[FP]in which case, we have no control over that
16:03:57jdariusOk...so I should charge it while on, or is it better to go with the Archos charge?
16:05:16Stevie[FP]do you have a Recorder or FM?
16:05:31jdariusRecorder.
16:05:50Stevie[FP]I don't have a Recorder (the FM has diff charging characteristics), but the guys here say that the Rockbox charging algorithm is better
16:06:05jdariusOk...thanks.
16:06:16Stevie[FP]you need to set 'trickle charge' or 'deep discharge'
16:06:31Stevie[FP]depending on whether you're charging it overnight or using it while plugged in
16:06:48Stevie[FP]there's surely something on the website or in the manual
16:06:59jdariusI'll read up on those in the FAQ/manual...thanks again.
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16:34:20quel|lunchjummss
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16:34:36quelsaruki need rockbox on rom URGENTLY
16:39:45Stevie[FP]...
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16:45:48quelsarukStevie[FP]: i can't spin up my hd when plugged to the computer
16:45:57quelsarukso i can't install rockbox
16:46:07quelsaruki formatted my hd, copied all my music
16:46:58quelsarukbut i forgot to copy rockbox
16:47:21quelsarukand now, i can't copy anything from the pc
16:47:32quelsarukso i have to use Archos v1.15
16:47:34quelsaruk:(
16:47:42quelsarukand it's really anoying
16:47:48Stevie[FP]why can't you spin up your hd when plugged into the computer?
16:48:18quelsarukdunno
16:48:22quelsarukmy hd is stupid
16:48:45quelsaruki can boot my jukebox, play music.. record music...
16:48:48quelsarukeverything
16:48:56Stevie[FP]are you using linux?
16:49:04quelsarukwin2k
16:49:17quelsaruki haven't tried linux.. btw...
16:49:45Stevie[FP]hm
16:49:53Stevie[FP]what does it do instead of spinning up?
16:50:01Stevie[FP]maybe your drivers screwed up
16:50:08Stevie[FP]also
16:50:17Stevie[FP]have you tried getting the hd to spin up, then plugging it into the PC?
16:50:30Stevie[FP](by, like, doing a dir listing then plugging in the USB)
16:51:00quelsarukit tries to spin up and makes a nasty noise like .. tik.. tik... tik...
16:51:30quelsaruki've even disassembled the jukebox and plugged the drive to a external case
16:51:39Stevie[FP]hm
16:51:48Stevie[FP]that's what my FM does sometimes when I turn it off
16:51:53Stevie[FP]try this
16:52:02Stevie[FP]hold the OFF button for like 7 seconds
16:52:04quelsaruka hammer?
16:52:07Stevie[FP]lmao
16:52:14Stevie[FP]no, the hammer comes later
16:52:18quelsaruk:)
16:52:37Stevie[FP]hold the OFF button for like 7 seconds
16:52:42Stevie[FP]that makes sure it's *really* off
16:52:57Stevie[FP]I once freaked out cuz Windows no longer recognized my Archos
16:53:06Stevie[FP]I even powered it off and powered it back on
16:53:13Stevie[FP]but when I ddi the full-OFF (7 seconds) thing
16:53:17Stevie[FP]then turned it back on
16:53:21Stevie[FP]it was happy again
16:55:43quelsarukbut... if i have changed my hf to a external case...
16:56:05quelsarukand it's been without power suply for 12 hours...
16:56:19quelsarukit should be powered off
16:56:27Stevie[FP]hm
16:56:28Stevie[FP]true.
16:56:34Stevie[FP]hmm
16:56:39Stevie[FP]I don't know what's wrong
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17:00:34quelsarukneither me... and i'm really annoyed
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17:06:26mecrawhowdy, quelsaruk
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17:10:04Stevie[FP]ah, found it
17:12:55quelsaruk¿?
17:13:41Stevie[FP]the 8mb rolo bug
17:15:24quelsarukahhhhhhh
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18:10:57*Stevie[FP] thinks of ways to speed up playlist handling
18:12:13Stevie[FP]192kbps == 24000 bytes per second
18:12:34Stevie[FP]80000 bytes == 3.33 seconds of audio
18:25:43Stevie[FP]does anyone know if we refresh the playlist after a usb cycle?
18:26:16mecrawrefresh it how?
18:26:54Stevie[FP]well
18:26:58mecrawthe playlist file is reread at every track change
18:27:08Stevie[FP]the *entire thing*?
18:27:18mecrawwhat's in memory is the pointer to a position in the playlist file
18:27:28Stevie[FP]what are these 'indices[]' then?
18:27:40mecrawthe pointer's would be off if you change the playlist while in USB
18:27:46Stevie[FP]I agree
18:27:59Stevie[FP]but they're otherwise fixed
18:28:17hardeepplay is stopped when in usb mode so it doesn't matter
18:28:28Stevie[FP]hm
18:28:30Stevie[FP]point
18:28:45Stevie[FP]but we don't really reread the entire playlist file at every song change
18:28:57Stevie[FP]like
18:29:14Stevie[FP]we have to read the playlist to get the filename
18:29:18Stevie[FP]but the line number indices
18:29:20mecrawno, we just seek to the position stored in the indices[] and read one line, i think
18:29:28Stevie[FP]ok
18:31:00Stevie[FP]you know what?
18:31:02Stevie[FP]I love UnxUtils
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18:32:42Stevie[FP]is it required that all the files be absolute pathnames?
18:33:09Stevie[FP]ah, ok, it's not
18:33:21hardeepthe file reading/writing code requires it
18:33:39Stevie[FP]so fopen() doesn't support the concept of a 'current directory'?
18:33:45hardeepno
18:33:54Stevie[FP]ok
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19:04:23hardeephello
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19:27:53Bryantis anyone here?
19:29:40mecrawmaybe
19:30:00Bryantdo you think you could help me get windows to recognize my archos?
19:30:22mecrawwhat version of windows?
19:30:29Stevie[FP]he's using xp
19:30:31BryantXP
19:30:42Bryantdoes XP cause problems?
19:31:02mecrawmy XP box recognizes mine fine with no setup
19:31:15mecrawwhat does yours do?
19:31:27Bryantwell ok,
19:31:56Bryanti had to reformat, because Xp wouldn't start up... giving a blue screen saying "page file in non paged area" or something like that
19:32:01Bryantbefore the reformat, it worked fine
19:32:14Bryantbut after, NOTHING shows up when i run the preinstaller
19:32:18Stevie[FP]I fail to see why that would require a reformat
19:32:25Stevie[FP]a reinstall, yes, but not a reformat
19:32:26Bryanterrr, when i run the preinstaller
19:32:34mecrawpreinstaller? what's that?
19:32:44Bryantoh, it didnt' need a reformat, but i wanted to anyway
19:33:04Bryantum...whatever the file is that archos makes... that installs the archos drivers
19:33:52Bryanthere's the other problem.. and it might be related to the first... before reformatting i did reinstall windows
19:34:00Bryantbut it still wouldn't recognize anything in my secondary IDE port
19:34:43Stevie[FP]heh
19:34:45Stevie[FP]XP is such crap
19:34:45mecrawi would uninstall the archos drivers and just use the XP defaults
19:35:01Bryantwhat XP defaults?
19:35:24Bryanti had none of these problems before i moved in to this apartment...
19:35:27Bryanti'm so pissed
19:36:00Bryanthey, can you guys tell me this
19:36:16Bryantwhen i install the archos drivers, should i see new devices show up in the device manager?
19:36:18mecrawXP comes with USB drivers that will recognize the Jukebox
19:36:59mecrawit should only show in the device manager when the archos is attached to the system
19:37:09Bryanthmm.. ok
19:37:17Stevie[FP]... which makes removing old USB devices a PITA
19:37:30Bryantdo you perhaps know what kind of USB drivers these are?
19:38:02Stevie[FP]usb mass storage device
19:39:40Bryantok, i'm going to try that
19:41:58Bryantthe usb mass storage device would be under hard drives?
19:43:44Stevie[FP]err
19:43:48Stevie[FP]damned if I know
19:43:56Stevie[FP]I use Win2K, which works
19:44:07Bryantyeah ....
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22:10:49Mighty_I've changed batteries in my jukebox a couple of times, and one of the blue chock absorbers doesn't stick/shut to its orginal position,, ie. it's being pushed out 2-3mm when one pushes it into position...
22:10:58Mighty_anyone knows if it's possible to fix that somehow ?
22:12:22Stevie[FP]no idea?
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23:07:14elinenbehardeep: you here?
23:08:52elinenbethere are some bugs in your new code....
23:22:00Stevie[FP]I found a shortcoming in gcc
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23:30:11hardeepelinenbe: the folder thing is intentional... i'm not doing recursive insertion (yet)
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23:30:37hardeepi agree with the queuing/inserting message... i also need to add a saving message
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