| 00:00:21 | ricII | sounds usefull.. |
| 00:00:33 | Stevie[FP] | indeed it is |
| 00:01:10 | Stevie[FP] | before it was a PITA because it wasted all that time printing that crap out, which I had to sift thru |
| 00:01:31 | ricII | since my rec is headless I feel a little leftout (if I was ever in..) |
| 00:01:50 | Stevie[FP] | headless? |
| 00:02:05 | Stevie[FP] | did you give it to the Queen of Hearts or something? |
| 00:02:08 | ricII | broke my lcd (don't ask) |
| 00:02:36 | ricII | it had a collision with my head.... |
| 00:02:46 | Stevie[FP] | lol |
| 00:02:52 | Stevie[FP] | better its head than yours |
| 00:02:53 | Stevie[FP] | :P |
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| 00:03:01 | ricII | :) |
| 00:03:10 | Stevie[FP] | granted, I'd be shocked if it went the other way |
| 00:03:19 | Stevie[FP] | Archos doesn't make anything that durable |
| 00:04:24 | ricII | I have a similar old nokia phone lcd , only got just 9 interface wires.. |
| 00:04:57 | Stevie[FP] | it would be sweet if the thing had like a 3-level grayscale |
| 00:05:25 | ricII | though about modulayion but serial interface is to slow |
| 00:06:04 | Stevie[FP] | yeah |
| 00:06:39 | Stevie[FP] | plus to multiplex that rapidly would require painfully small timer intervals |
| 00:07:54 | Stevie[FP] | mmmmh |
| 00:08:04 | Stevie[FP] | if I actually figure this out I'll be shocked |
| 00:08:18 | Stevie[FP] | :-o |
| 00:09:27 | Stevie[FP] | i need to a 'wait loop' detector |
| 00:10:56 | ricII | ;) |
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| 00:11:32 | MiChAeLoL | hehe getting my fm recorder tommorrow in the mail :D |
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| 00:18:29 | MiChAeLoL | hehe i owned this log http://rockbox.haxx.se/irc/rockbox-20030612.txt |
| 00:18:57 | ricII | got to sleep ... |
| 00:19:11 | | Nick ricII is now known as ricII|sleep (~ricv@debianalpha.xs4all.nl) |
| 00:22:15 | Stevie[FP] | hmm |
| 00:22:17 | Stevie[FP] | 0x14 is 20 |
| 00:22:27 | Stevie[FP] | every 20 ticks it increments this counter |
| 00:22:30 | Stevie[FP] | it has to reach 100 |
| 00:22:34 | Stevie[FP] | so 100*20=2000 |
| 00:22:50 | Stevie[FP] | the timer is 7500 with a clk/8 |
| 00:23:20 | Stevie[FP] | 5ms |
| 00:23:30 | Stevie[FP] | 2000*5ms = 10 seconds |
| 00:23:38 | Stevie[FP] | does that damn thing REALLY take 10 seconds to startup? |
| 00:24:01 | Zagor | yup |
| 00:24:12 | Stevie[FP] | it's a freaking 10 second timer |
| 00:24:16 | Stevie[FP] | all it does is sleep for 10s |
| 00:24:23 | Zagor | lovely :-) |
| 00:24:23 | Stevie[FP] | it must be waiting for the HD to power on |
| 00:24:37 | Zagor | that takes about 3 seconds... |
| 00:24:40 | Stevie[FP] | indeed |
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| 00:25:02 | BoD[] | hi! |
| 00:25:08 | * | Stevie[FP] sets up an overclock mode |
| 00:25:43 | | Join matsl [0] (~Lidell@as13-4-5.mal.s.bonet.se) |
| 00:27:46 | Bagder | evening mats |
| 00:28:12 | Stevie[FP] | 1863... |
| 00:28:17 | Stevie[FP] | ooooh |
| 00:28:23 | Stevie[FP] | ata_read_multiple() |
| 00:28:35 | Stevie[FP] | like clockwork |
| 00:28:43 | Stevie[FP] | on the 2000th timer tick interrupt |
| 00:29:07 | Stevie[FP] | (which happend slightly faster thanks to a 'multiply-by-3' loop that makes the timer interval 1/3 as long) |
| 00:29:08 | matsl | evening bagder |
| 00:30:53 | Stevie[FP] | is my partition table broken or something? |
| 00:33:13 | Stevie[FP] | oooooooh |
| 00:35:55 | Stevie[FP] | woo |
| 00:35:58 | Stevie[FP] | who's here? |
| 00:36:47 | Zagor | looking for anyone in particular? |
| 00:36:54 | Stevie[FP] | http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/jbremu/3rdss.jpg |
| 00:37:02 | Stevie[FP] | only someone who would care :P |
| 00:37:13 | Stevie[FP] | which excludes most of the people who come in here |
| 00:37:16 | Zagor | hehe |
| 00:37:30 | Stevie[FP] | they're like 'so? we have a simulator, whats wrong with that?' |
| 00:37:35 | Zagor | looks like you haven't written the i2c emulation yet :-) |
| 00:37:39 | * | Bagder holds up a little red note saying he cares |
| 00:38:02 | Stevie[FP] | yeah −− and if I wanna test some behavior that's dependent upon, oh, say, whether or not you're plugged in |
| 00:38:12 | Stevie[FP] | the simulator's not gonna help with that very much |
| 00:39:19 | Stevie[FP] | also |
| 00:39:22 | Zagor | i think the coolness factor alone is worth it .-) |
| 00:39:24 | Stevie[FP] | any idea what that garbage is at the top? |
| 00:39:48 | * | Stevie[FP] needs to get a speedness factor in before it will have any significant coolness factor −− it takes about 30s to get to that point |
| 00:40:21 | Zagor | i can't say i recognise that garbage, no :) |
| 00:41:02 | Stevie[FP] | hmmm |
| 00:41:21 | Stevie[FP] | all those characters |
| 00:41:43 | Stevie[FP] | look to be in the first row of the 'old player' charset |
| 00:41:48 | Stevie[FP] | http://rockbox.haxx.se/codes_old.png |
| 00:42:04 | Stevie[FP] | I was lazy and didn't implement the CGRAM crap at all |
| 00:42:12 | Stevie[FP] | I think I'll do that tonight, maybe something useful will arise |
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| 00:42:16 | * | Stevie[FP] is away [l8r] [KS-MsgLog Off] |
| 00:42:22 | Stevie[FP] | as for now, I've spent enough time at work this week |
| 00:43:56 | Darth_Sebulba04 | Hello, I was wondering what fs do the jukebox recorder 20's use? |
| 00:44:03 | Darth_Sebulba04 | s/do// |
| 00:44:23 | Zagor | Darth_Sebulba04: fat32 |
| 00:44:35 | Darth_Sebulba04 | Hm, okay. |
| 00:45:19 | Darth_Sebulba04 | not supported in kernel, go figure |
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| 00:45:38 | Bagder | bad kernel |
| 00:45:44 | Bagder | hi LinusN |
| 00:45:48 | LinusN | hi |
| 00:46:29 | Darth_Sebulba04 | Bagder: I didn't really plan on needing fat32 at all. |
| 00:46:57 | Bagder | :-) |
| 00:47:37 | Darth_Sebulba04 | Which is probably why I can't get it to recognize it. |
| 00:48:09 | Bagder | cat /proc/filesystems | grep vfat |
| 00:48:23 | Darth_Sebulba04 | Nope |
| 00:48:43 | Darth_Sebulba04 | I'm compiling it in as we speak. |
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| 00:58:34 | Zagor | bed time |
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| 01:02:38 | BoD[] | this : http://www.opensource.org/sco-vs-ibm.html : is very interesting ! |
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| 02:04:24 | | Join tracktheripper [0] (jirc@ACBFB0B9.ipt.aol.com) |
| 02:04:33 | tracktheripper | hello |
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| 02:17:07 | MiChAeLoL | damn where is logbot? |
| 02:31:04 | | Join freddi [0] (freddi@dyn-68-217.tor.dsl.tht.net) |
| 02:31:48 | freddi | Hi.. I have read the FAQ, but am unclear on the part about charging. I just got my FM Recorder 20 yesterday and have put Rockbox 2.0 on it |
| 02:32:15 | freddi | So in the FAQ it talks about Rockbox dealing with charging options, but the charging screen is purely Archos |
| 02:32:26 | freddi | is this the way it is supposed to be? |
| 02:32:39 | PsycoXul | rockbox only handles charging if you boot it up before you plug it in |
| 02:32:46 | PsycoXul | otherwise the ROM firmware just comes on and deals with it |
| 02:33:15 | freddi | ok.. So I have it plugged in and Rockbox is running, how can I make it charge? |
| 02:33:22 | PsycoXul | or if you boot it up after plugging it in too i guess.. heh |
| 02:33:32 | PsycoXul | freddi: uh, it will |
| 02:33:32 | PsycoXul | heh |
| 02:33:47 | PsycoXul | there's nothing you gotta do to 'make it' |
| 02:34:01 | freddi | ok.. is there any indication that it's charging? |
| 02:34:15 | PsycoXul | shows a plug icon on the statusbar |
| 02:35:03 | freddi | ok. thanks a lot |
| 02:35:10 | PsycoXul | np |
| 02:40:49 | freddi | just out of curiosity, how long should it take to charge from 2 to full? |
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| 03:07:07 | MT | still here freddi? |
| 03:07:27 | MT | takes me about 4 hours to fully charge my fm recorder |
| 03:08:34 | MT | with the fm, the charging is done all in hardware, regardless of whether rockbox is running, archos firmware is running or no firmware is running |
| 03:09:23 | MT | if you plug the charger in while rockbox is running, a little plug appears between the power level indicator and the volume indicator in the top left |
| 03:09:41 | MT | plus its good to see that people do read the documentation :) |
| 03:12:33 | freddi | so.. say I didn't have the User manual when I first charged it last night, and didn't know that you had to do it for 6 hours, and only did it for roughly 4, might I be ok? |
| 03:12:50 | MT | oh sure |
| 03:13:03 | MT | you dont need to worry about the batteries on the fm |
| 03:13:19 | freddi | oh really? that's good! |
| 03:14:01 | freddi | so on only 4 hours of charging it plays for 10+? |
| 03:14:53 | MT | ah, what i meant is that some battery types, you have to drain them, fully charge etc |
| 03:15:08 | MT | with the fm you can just charge as and when you need |
| 03:15:39 | freddi | so it doesn't need to be drained before it's ok to charge? |
| 03:15:52 | MT | thats right |
| 03:16:03 | freddi | very impressive |
| 03:20:49 | * | MiChAeLoL attempts to tweak his processor on his computer |
| 03:37:25 | | Quit elinenbe (" HydraIRC -> http://hydrairc.sourceforge.net <- \o/") |
| 03:42:30 | | Join earHurts [0] (~zic@pool-151-200-35-239.res.east.verizon.net) |
| 03:44:26 | earHurts | anybody recall discussions or patches regarding sound settings for individual tracks or directories? |
| 03:45:21 | earHurts | please, don't everybody talk at once :) |
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| 03:48:51 | | Join Stevie-O [0] (~whatsit2u@user-2iniklk.dialup.mindspring.com) |
| 03:49:26 | earHurts | how's the emu coming? |
| 03:54:51 | Stevie-O | very very slowly |
| 03:56:47 | earHurts | very imnpressive work |
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| 03:58:40 | Stevie-O | what's impressive about it? |
| 03:58:43 | Stevie-O | it doesn't work :P |
| 03:59:08 | * | Stevie-O growls at the display |
| 03:59:09 | earHurts | yeah, yeah |
| 03:59:56 | earHurts | are you modelling each component seperately? |
| 04:00 |
| 04:02:17 | Stevie-O | not exactly |
| 04:02:25 | Stevie-O | but it's layered |
| 04:02:41 | Stevie-O | like there's a DRAM access function |
| 04:02:47 | Stevie-O | an internal RAM access function |
| 04:02:52 | Stevie-O | an internal ROM access function |
| 04:03:04 | Stevie-O | it picks the function based on the memory address being accessed |
| 04:04:47 | earHurts | a map of memory ranges to functions? |
| 04:04:53 | Stevie-O | yeah |
| 04:06:24 | earHurts | is that part of the emulation? |
| 04:07:27 | earHurts | the actual archos mmeory is flat with differnt address ranges implemnented by differnt hardware? |
| 04:07:33 | Stevie-O | yeah |
| 04:07:45 | Stevie-O | portions of the memory addresses select diff chips |
| 04:10:31 | earHurts | and is the lcd emulation a seperate lib? could I use your lcd part to emulate only the lcd hardware? |
| 04:11:13 | Stevie-O | well |
| 04:11:18 | Stevie-O | it's sort of semi integrated |
| 04:12:47 | Stevie-O | now I wonder what I2C error I'm getting |
| 04:12:51 | Stevie-O | (did you see the latest SS?) |
| 04:13:06 | earHurts | screen nshot? no. |
| 04:14:25 | earHurts | what url? |
| 04:15:22 | Stevie-O | http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/jbremu/3rdss.jpg |
| 04:18:34 | earHurts | cool. i2c? |
| 04:26:21 | Stevie-O | dunno what it means |
| 04:27:27 | Stevie-O | dunno what it is... |
| 04:30:11 | | Join Tib|Away [0] (~onon@12-216-244-18.client.mchsi.com) |
| 04:33:24 | Stevie-O | are you getting massive dupes on the mailing list? |
| 04:48:43 | | Join bombadier337 [0] (~jirc@pcp02878733pcs.cnorth01.va.comcast.net) |
| 04:49:08 | bombadier337 | anyone else habing problems running the new sokoban? |
| 04:49:17 | | Quit bombadier337 (Client Quit) |
| 04:51:25 | | Join bombadier337 [0] (~meome@pcp02878733pcs.cnorth01.va.comcast.net) |
| 04:51:54 | bombadier337 | hey, i dunno if ne1 got what i last typed, butis anyone else having problems with sokoban levels loading? |
| 04:52:17 | bombadier337 | i copied the levels.txt to .rockbox/sokoban , but it still doesnt load |
| 04:52:50 | Stevie-O | .... |
| 04:52:50 | Stevie-O | dude |
| 04:52:52 | Stevie-O | send an email |
| 04:52:54 | Stevie-O | to the list |
| 04:53:10 | bombadier337 | dont u have to subscribe to it? |
| 04:53:57 | Stevie-O | so? |
| 04:54:05 | Stevie-O | wouldn't you want to see the responses? |
| 04:54:19 | bombadier337 | i just read it on the site |
| 04:54:23 | bombadier337 | wutever |
| 04:54:26 | bombadier337 | ill subsrcibe |
| 04:54:47 | bombadier337 | i was just wondering if uve heard nething else say that |
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| 05:38:49 | earHurts | the list was duping, Bjorn removed the duping sunbscrinber |
| 05:48:23 | Stevie-O | I think that gmx site is a problem too |
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| 06:08:06 | * | Stevie-O yawns |
| 06:08:12 | Stevie-O | i wish I knew what this i2c thing is |
| 06:41:05 | PsycoXul | /usr/src/linux/Documentation/i2c/summary |
| 06:41:20 | PsycoXul | is it that? |
| 06:47:51 | Stevie-O | ... no |
| 06:58:53 | * | Stevie-O compiles |
| 07:00 |
| 07:00:42 | earHurts | i2c bus slave device? |
| 07:02:42 | earHurts | ? http://www.linux-1u.net/LCD/ |
| 07:21:20 | Stevie-O | gah |
| 07:21:50 | | Join Guest [0] (jirc@12-233-39-23.client.attbi.com) |
| 07:21:55 | Guest | whats up |
| 07:22:02 | Guest | hi |
| 07:22:08 | | Quit Guest (Client Quit) |
| 07:22:58 | | Join pschyo122 [0] (~the@12-233-39-23.client.attbi.com) |
| 07:23:03 | pschyo122 | HELLO? |
| 07:23:07 | pschyo122 | any body active |
| 07:23:13 | pschyo122 | quick question |
| 07:23:38 | pschyo122 | i have an archos fm recorder and i really like rockbox but i dont see any choice to browse through my files while a song's playing |
| 07:24:06 | pschyo122 | i saw a patch for it but the tutorial on patching is really confusing for me cuz with windows i can barely get anything working |
| 07:24:42 | Stevie-O | you hit the ON key? |
| 07:54:38 | pschyo122 | no |
| 07:54:40 | pschyo122 | thanks |
| 07:54:46 | pschyo122 | lol IM SOOOOO DUMB |
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| 08:02:53 | | Join Zagor [242] (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) |
| 08:06:22 | Stevie-O | hey Z |
| 08:06:32 | Zagor | hi |
| 08:11:55 | Stevie-O | gah wtf |
| 08:12:05 | Stevie-O | Zagor: how easy is it for you to debug a player? |
| 08:20:20 | Zagor | pretty easy |
| 08:22:55 | Stevie-O | I need some assistance, pleez :D |
| 08:23:05 | Zagor | ok, what do you need? |
| 08:23:07 | Stevie-O | im dying with an invalid instruction |
| 08:23:15 | Stevie-O | 0x09005B24: 0x0129 ***INVALID INSTRUCTION!*** (0x09005B24) 0x0129 |
| 08:24:02 | Stevie-O | i need to know if the original firmware (the one you sent me) really does have that value at that memory location |
| 08:24:51 | Zagor | ok |
| 08:25:09 | Stevie-O | it's fairly far in |
| 08:25:31 | Stevie-O | It sets up a few registers on the MAS |
| 08:25:46 | Stevie-O | reads sector 2111 (at least for me) from the HD |
| 08:26:02 | Stevie-O | and boom |
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| 08:26:44 | Stevie-O | andddddd |
| 08:26:45 | Zagor | hmm, actually i'm not sure if I can debug the rom firmware at all |
| 08:27:24 | Stevie-O | well good news |
| 08:27:28 | Stevie-O | Hitachi had me fooled |
| 08:27:50 | Stevie-O | I thought they actually had their story straight :P |
| 08:28:41 | Stevie-O | SH Hardware Manual (sh7032h.pdf) p42, PDF p66 |
| 08:28:46 | Stevie-O | Opcode map |
| 08:28:52 | Stevie-O | is missing an instruction |
| 08:29:01 | Zagor | hehe |
| 08:29:10 | Stevie-O | 'MOVT' |
| 08:29:28 | * | Stevie-O updates sh1emu.c |
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| 08:31:53 | * | Stevie-O runs |
| 08:33:07 | Stevie-O | what the fsck |
| 08:33:09 | Stevie-O | 'A-Team' |
| 08:37:01 | * | Stevie-O pokes Zagor |
| 08:37:05 | Stevie-O | know anything about that? |
| 08:37:19 | Zagor | MOVT or A-Team? |
| 08:37:28 | Stevie-O | 'A-Team' |
| 08:37:46 | Zagor | yeah, it's a cheesy tv series :) |
| 08:37:50 | Stevie-O | lol |
| 08:37:57 | Stevie-O | not quite what I was referring to |
| 08:38:16 | Zagor | where are you seeing it then? |
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| 08:45:43 | Stevie-O | http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/jbremu/a-team.jpg |
| 08:46:10 | Bagder | A for Archos? |
| 08:46:52 | Stevie-O | perhaps |
| 08:47:00 | Stevie-O | it's brief |
| 08:47:08 | Stevie-O | so brief you probably wouldn't ever see it on the real thing |
| 08:47:31 | Bagder | I've never seen it |
| 08:47:53 | Zagor | i've never seen it either |
| 08:48:19 | Zagor | an easter egg? proof of human life inside archos? |
| 08:48:22 | Stevie-O | on the other hand it might be a bug :P |
| 08:49:25 | Stevie-O | C:\Projects\jbremu>grep "A-Team" testhd |
| 08:49:25 | Stevie-O | Binary file testhd matches |
| 08:51:47 | Stevie-O | especially since this: http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/jbremu/hard_disk.jpg |
| 08:51:50 | Stevie-O | looks like an error msg |
| 08:57:48 | Zagor | yup |
| 09:00 |
| 09:00:13 | Stevie-O | not very informative tho |
| 09:00:16 | Stevie-O | dunno what's wrong |
| 09:00:34 | Stevie-O | esp since, it doesn't access the HD between the 'A-Team' and 'HARD DISK' messages |
| 09:01:52 | * | Stevie-O ponders |
| 09:02:10 | Stevie-O | which would imply that it's having trouble parsing the FAT |
| 09:02:36 | Zagor | possibly |
| 09:03:41 | * | Stevie-O backtrackes through his nice 24mb log of decoded instructions |
| 09:06:12 | Zagor | hehe |
| 09:09:29 | Stevie-O | meh |
| 09:09:38 | Stevie-O | tooooooo many branches >:( |
| 09:10:13 | * | Stevie-O switches rom versions |
| 09:44:29 | Stevie-O | mmmh |
| 09:58:29 | *** | No seen item changed, no save performed. |
| 10:00 |
| 10:16:07 | Bagder | "a quite obvious 'click' between each and every track." |
| 10:16:22 | Bagder | (a post on funmp3players about the recent ipod) |
| 10:16:45 | Zagor | amazing |
| 10:17:20 | Bagder | yeah |
| 10:25:11 | Bagder | reading the forums, it also seems to suffer from massive battery problems |
| 10:27:50 | Bagder | "when playing very large MP3 files, the hard drive doesn't spin down." |
| 10:27:54 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 10:28:03 | Zagor | gosh! |
| 10:29:50 | Bagder | "there is a slight pause between tracks" |
| 10:30:41 | Zagor | you are all silly. none of this matters, it's made by apple. |
| 10:30:49 | Bagder | yeps |
| 10:30:58 | Bagder | and its very expensive |
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| 10:33:20 | quelsaruk | morning |
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| 11:05:41 | quelsaruk | brb |
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| 11:07:41 | | Nick ricII|sleep is now known as ricII (~ricv@debianalpha.xs4all.nl) |
| 11:07:52 | ricII | morning |
| 11:08:11 | Bagder | hi |
| 11:10:26 | webmind | morning |
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| 11:13:14 | Quelsaruk | re |
| 11:24:11 | Quelsaruk | Bagder: sometimes, when using binlang i get "Malformed UTF-8 character (unexpected end of string) at ../../tools/binlang line 83, <LANG> line 1308. |
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| 12:57:07 | | Nick Quelsaruk is now known as Quel|out (~swordmast@faerun.ugr.es) |
| 12:57:19 | Quel|out | Zagor: all languages patches commited :) |
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| 13:23:04 | ^4VAlien^ | badger was the curl man over here right? |
| 13:32:11 | Zagor | Quel|out: excellent |
| 13:32:18 | Zagor | ^4VAlien^: yes |
| 13:35:31 | ^4VAlien^ | hmmz i ought to say 'thanks' to him and ask him how curl deals with anonymous proxy as once again the manual is a tad vague on that |
| 13:37:24 | Zagor | do you want gritty details? i know a bit about curl too. |
| 13:38:07 | ^4VAlien^ | well if i specify that curl should use a proxy and the proxy is anonymous it *will* be anonymous? dunno if curl passes information that might give out the location |
| 13:38:20 | ^4VAlien^ | i would think so, but its not clear in the API manual |
| 13:38:40 | ^4VAlien^ | actually , i can test that myself |
| 13:38:40 | ^4VAlien^ | nm |
| 13:38:43 | Zagor | :) |
| 13:39:02 | Zagor | afaik curl doesn't add any headers or anything that aren't strictly necessary |
| 13:40:10 | ^4VAlien^ | i'll will blame the french and use a proxy in france! |
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| 14:01:09 | Quel|out | 34şC... |
| 14:01:16 | Quel|out | i'm melting |
| 14:01:17 | Quel|out | :( |
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| 14:07:27 | ^4VAlien^ | hmmz no more than 25 here |
| 14:38:10 | Zagor | 15 here... |
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| 15:40:35 | * | Stevie[FP] is back from [l8r] [gone 14hrs 58mins 19secs] [KS] |
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| 15:55:24 | * | Stevie[FP] waits for 2.4.20 to untar |
| 15:55:40 | | Join MiChAeLoL [0] (michael@12-249-226-112.client.attbi.com) |
| 15:56:13 | MiChAeLoL | so is there anything wrong with using my fm recorder as soon as i get it (by plugging it in) or do i have to wait for it to charge |
| 15:56:30 | MiChAeLoL | or can it charge while im using it? |
| 15:56:34 | Stevie[FP] | the latter |
| 15:56:58 | MiChAeLoL | ? |
| 15:57:23 | MiChAeLoL | should have it in an hour and a half |
| 15:57:26 | MiChAeLoL | and want to use it |
| 15:57:32 | * | Stevie[FP] makes oldconfig |
| 15:57:39 | Stevie[FP] | I was able to use mine right away |
| 15:57:53 | Stevie[FP] | plug it in and then start transferring files via USB |
| 15:57:53 | MiChAeLoL | but dont want to wait for it to charge (leaving on a trip soon after and am going to want to send all the files) |
| 15:57:58 | MiChAeLoL | ok |
| 15:58:05 | MiChAeLoL | and it will charge while im transfering? |
| 15:58:13 | Stevie[FP] | do you have a usb2.0 card? |
| 15:58:19 | Stevie[FP] | FMs will leech power from USB |
| 15:58:35 | MiChAeLoL | my cheap made in china 6 dollar one usb 2.0 card is in the mail |
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| 15:58:37 | MiChAeLoL | dont have it yet |
| 15:59:35 | Stevie[FP] | oh |
| 15:59:41 | Stevie[FP] | that will present a problem |
| 15:59:49 | Stevie[FP] | USB 1.1 is much slower |
| 15:59:58 | Stevie[FP] | which means it will take longer, and drain more power |
| 15:59:59 | MiChAeLoL | it can only charge from usb 2.0? |
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| 16:00:25 | MiChAeLoL | at least ill finally have it; been waiting a week "Jun 13, 2003 7:36 A.M. NORTHBROOK, IL, US OUT FOR DELIVERY " |
| 16:01:59 | Stevie[FP] | heh |
| 16:03:09 | MiChAeLoL | how long does it take to charge? |
| 16:03:35 | MiChAeLoL | like will it mess up the battery if i plug it into the wall and start sending shit to it? |
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| 16:05:49 | Stevie[FP] | the FM has a lithium ion battery |
| 16:05:55 | Stevie[FP] | you don't need to worry about the battery |
| 16:06:02 | MiChAeLoL | ya sure? |
| 16:06:24 | Stevie[FP] | yes. |
| 16:07:15 | MiChAeLoL | ok |
| 16:07:33 | MiChAeLoL | so i could just plug it into the usb as soon as i get it and start sending stuff? |
| 16:09:30 | Stevie[FP] | yup |
| 16:09:36 | Stevie[FP] | but also plug it into the wall |
| 16:09:36 | MiChAeLoL | excellent |
| 16:09:39 | MiChAeLoL | ok |
| 16:09:42 | MiChAeLoL | will do |
| 16:09:55 | MiChAeLoL | when i plug it into the wall does it charge the battery or run off the wall? |
| 16:10:12 | Bagder | it charges |
| 16:10:17 | Bagder | it always runs off batteries |
| 16:11:33 | MiChAeLoL | so it can charge and have stuff sent to it at the same time? |
| 16:11:40 | Bagder | yes |
| 16:11:43 | MiChAeLoL | ok |
| 16:11:57 | MiChAeLoL | and how long would it take to send like 11gb over a usb 1.0 connection? |
| 16:12:05 | Bagder | uh |
| 16:12:11 | Bagder | I don't remember |
| 16:12:14 | MiChAeLoL | never mind |
| 16:12:16 | MiChAeLoL | doing the math |
| 16:12:19 | Bagder | I have 2.0 :-) |
| 16:12:30 | MiChAeLoL | usb 1.0 goes like 1mb a sec right? |
| 16:12:39 | Bagder | 12mbit |
| 16:12:47 | Bagder | and its actually usb 1.1 |
| 16:13:00 | MiChAeLoL | so how many megabytes a sec? |
| 16:13:02 | Bagder | not that it matters that much here |
| 16:13:32 | Bagder | I guess you get 1mb/sec |
| 16:13:34 | MiChAeLoL | 183.3 minutes |
| 16:13:50 | MiChAeLoL | 3 hours :( |
| 16:14:16 | Bagder | yep |
| 16:15:35 | MiChAeLoL | so should i upgrade the firmware before or after i send stuff? |
| 16:17:11 | MiChAeLoL | how is the fm recording software in rockbox? |
| 16:17:29 | MiChAeLoL | the archos firmware is better for that right? |
| 16:18:05 | * | Bagder wouldn't know, he has a recorder |
| 16:18:27 | MiChAeLoL | it records fine with rockbox right? |
| 16:18:35 | Bagder | yes |
| 16:18:37 | MiChAeLoL | cause wouldnt really use the fm part, but i would use the recorder |
| 16:18:38 | MiChAeLoL | ok |
| 16:18:38 | Bagder | afaik |
| 16:19:33 | | Nick Quel|out is now known as Quelsaruk (~swordmast@faerun.ugr.es) |
| 16:19:55 | MiChAeLoL | so is there a way to just use the radio on it (not be hearing the radio from 30 seconds ago) |
| 16:20:10 | Quelsaruk | we've reached 36şC in June!! i don't wanna think about August :(( |
| 16:20:16 | Bagder | uuuu |
| 16:20:21 | Bagder | MiChAeLoL: sure |
| 16:20:30 | MiChAeLoL | ok |
| 16:21:05 | * | MiChAeLoL is starting to just stall with questions to pass the time untill his gets here in 1-1:30 hours |
| 16:21:36 | Bagder | T-90 |
| 16:21:38 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 16:24:30 | * | Stevie[FP] yawns |
| 16:26:51 | Stevie[FP] | okay! |
| 16:27:04 | Stevie[FP] | ewps |
| 16:27:07 | Stevie[FP] | forgot to lilo first |
| 16:27:56 | Quelsaruk | still compiling that kernel?? |
| 16:28:01 | Quelsaruk | amazing... |
| 16:28:19 | Stevie[FP] | well |
| 16:28:23 | Stevie[FP] | had to do other stuff too |
| 16:28:25 | Stevie[FP] | like update modutils |
| 16:28:51 | Quelsaruk | ah :) |
| 16:29:29 | Stevie[FP] | i hate rpms |
| 16:30:18 | Quelsaruk | like most mortals :) |
| 16:30:52 | Stevie[FP] | wtf |
| 16:31:00 | Stevie[FP] | only packages with major numbers <= 3 are supported by this version of RPM |
| 16:31:08 | Stevie[FP] | joy |
| 16:31:08 | Stevie[FP] | loop-utils-0.0.1-1.src.rpm: RPM v4 src i386 loop-utils-0.0.1-1 |
| 16:31:13 | Stevie[FP] | anyone know an rpm-to-tgz program? |
| 16:31:37 | Quelsaruk | ummm |
| 16:31:39 | Quelsaruk | not me |
| 16:31:47 | Quelsaruk | searched at freshmeat? |
| 16:34:22 | | Nick Zagor is now known as Zagor|away (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) |
| 16:35:23 | * | Stevie[FP] sighs and updates his copy of rpm |
| 16:44:31 | MiChAeLoL | do the cvs versions have games and demos installed? |
| 16:45:52 | * | MiChAeLoL wants a new version with games and demos |
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| 17:00:45 | Quelsaruk | the source code? yups |
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| 17:07:16 | Stevie[FP] | okay wtf |
| 17:07:25 | Stevie[FP] | >:( |
| 17:08:47 | Quelsaruk | ż? |
| 17:09:27 | Stevie[FP] | why am i getting a hard disk error :( |
| 17:13:09 | Quelsaruk | with the emulator? |
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| 17:16:02 | | Join mecraw [0] (~mecraw@69.2.235.2) |
| 17:16:09 | mecraw | hi |
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| 17:43:33 | MiChAeLoL | not the source code (i cant compile it) the daily builds from the cvs versions |
| 17:44:02 | * | MiChAeLoL should get his rockbox in the next 30 min or less |
| 17:45:40 | * | MiChAeLoL puts the bleeding edge from 20 minutes ago on his rockbox (once he gets it in a half an hour) |
| 17:46:51 | MiChAeLoL | whats the difference between fm norm and fm sim? |
| 17:50:19 | Quelsaruk | sim is for the simulator |
| 17:50:34 | MiChAeLoL | so i want norm |
| 17:50:36 | Quelsaruk | fm norm is the firmware you build for your archos fm recorder |
| 17:50:42 | Quelsaruk | yups |
| 17:50:42 | MiChAeLoL | ok |
| 17:50:55 | MiChAeLoL | too bad i cant get cygwin to work |
| 17:50:57 | MiChAeLoL | cant run it |
| 17:52:45 | Quelsaruk | ouch |
| 17:53:41 | Quelsaruk | do you want a cvs fm recorder firmware? |
| 17:53:47 | Quelsaruk | with games and demos? |
| 17:53:51 | MiChAeLoL | sure |
| 17:53:57 | MiChAeLoL | and can you add the search patch too? |
| 17:54:02 | Quelsaruk | ummm |
| 17:54:07 | Quelsaruk | then you should wait a minute |
| 17:54:09 | Quelsaruk | ;) |
| 17:54:15 | MiChAeLoL | glady :D:D |
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| 17:57:26 | NHeal | calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 17:57:26 | NJoin | Quelsaruk [20] (~swordmast@faerun.ugr.es) |
| 17:57:30 | * | MiChAeLoL waits for the ups truck |
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| 18:00:47 | MiChAeLoL | can i install the full version of cygwin then compile it in that? |
| 18:01:00 | MiChAeLoL | or is there something special about the lite version on the site (which i cant get to run) |
| 18:01:56 | Quelsaruk | the lite version has the cross-compiler built |
| 18:02:18 | Quelsaruk | ;) |
| 18:02:23 | Quelsaruk | which patch is that search one? |
| 18:02:29 | Quelsaruk | i can't find it |
| 18:02:55 | MiChAeLoL | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=723682&group_id=44306&atid=439120 |
| 18:10:41 | * | Stevie[FP] is away [(Auto-Away after 1hr)] [KS-MsgLog Off] |
| 18:15:09 | | Quit Schnueff (Remote closed the connection) |
| 18:15:18 | Quelsaruk | MiChAeLoL: english?? |
| 18:16:18 | MiChAeLoL | yea |
| 18:17:18 | Quelsaruk | ummm |
| 18:17:20 | Quelsaruk | strange |
| 18:17:29 | MiChAeLoL | ?? |
| 18:17:53 | Quelsaruk | i thought i had the cross-compiler |
| 18:18:29 | Quelsaruk | i forgot something then |
| 18:18:31 | Quelsaruk | :( |
| 18:19:51 | * | MiChAeLoL thinks he hears a ups truck |
| 18:20:29 | Quelsaruk | building the cross-compiler |
| 18:20:40 | Quelsaruk | this will take a while |
| 18:21:34 | * | MiChAeLoL was wrong; it was the mexican lawn mower people |
| 18:21:56 | Quelsaruk | Âż? |
| 18:22:29 | MiChAeLoL | ż?ż?ż?ż?ż?ż?ż?ż?ż?ż?ż?ż?ż?ż?ż?ż?ż?ż?ż?ż?ż?ż?ż?ż?ż?ż?ż?ż?ż?ż? |
| 18:24:00 | * | MiChAeLoL wonders if someone could zip up and send all the program files for their working version of cygwin |
| 18:30:09 | MiChAeLoL | anyone know why cygwin just displays something really fast then closes itself? |
| 18:30:28 | Quelsaruk | no idea |
| 18:30:36 | MiChAeLoL | and i cant run it from a command line |
| 18:30:40 | MiChAeLoL | says the file doesnt exist |
| 18:30:48 | MiChAeLoL | stupid winxp |
| 18:30:59 | Quelsaruk | umm |
| 18:31:22 | Quelsaruk | you should "double click" on the program file |
| 18:31:29 | Quelsaruk | don't use the command line |
| 18:31:37 | MiChAeLoL | doesnt work that way either |
| 18:31:42 | Quelsaruk | strange |
| 18:31:43 | MiChAeLoL | opens and closes a window instantly |
| 18:32:19 | MiChAeLoL | and when i click on the icon it opens it in a photo editor |
| 18:33:07 | Quelsaruk | weird |
| 18:36:01 | Stevie[FP] | balh |
| 18:36:20 | Stevie[FP] | blah! |
| 18:36:23 | Stevie[FP] | http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/jbremu/rec_hard_disk.jpg :( |
| 18:36:56 | * | Stevie[FP] is back from [(Auto-Away after 1hr)] [gone 26mins 16secs] [KS] |
| 18:37:07 | Quelsaruk | sorry Stevie[FP] |
| 18:38:03 | * | Stevie[FP] wonders wtf is wrong :( |
| 18:38:14 | MiChAeLoL | you droped your rockbox emulator |
| 18:38:18 | MiChAeLoL | and the hd broke |
| 18:38:20 | MiChAeLoL | lol |
| 18:38:33 | Stevie[FP] | lol |
| 18:42:19 | Quelsaruk | MiChAeLoL: compiling your firmware |
| 18:42:30 | Quelsaruk | compiled |
| 18:46:26 | | Nick Quelsaruk is now known as Quel|out (~swordmast@faerun.ugr.es) |
| 18:46:47 | MiChAeLoL | nice |
| 18:46:51 | MiChAeLoL | just got it |
| 18:46:56 | MiChAeLoL | box is a little smached, but looks ok |
| 18:47:20 | MiChAeLoL | not complaining cause i got it for 222 bucks |
| 18:50:51 | Quel|out | :) |
| 18:50:54 | Quel|out | great |
| 18:50:59 | Quel|out | i hope you enhoy it |
| 18:51:01 | Quel|out | enjoy |
| 18:51:20 | MiChAeLoL | hehe nifty bag |
| 18:55:04 | MiChAeLoL | os version i30j |
| 18:55:40 | Quel|out | :) |
| 18:55:41 | Stevie[FP] | that's 1.30j |
| 18:55:47 | Stevie[FP] | not i30j |
| 18:55:54 | MiChAeLoL | ype |
| 18:55:58 | MiChAeLoL | comes with music on it |
| 18:56:14 | Stevie[FP] | yeah, a few m3ps |
| 18:56:15 | Quel|out | yups |
| 18:56:17 | Quel|out | :) |
| 18:56:22 | MiChAeLoL | can i use it when its in usb mode? |
| 18:56:25 | Stevie[FP] | no |
| 18:58:10 | MiChAeLoL | comes with 26.2mb of junk |
| 18:58:18 | Stevie[FP] | it's got a 20gb hard drive |
| 18:58:22 | Stevie[FP] | so what? :P |
| 18:58:27 | MiChAeLoL | lol |
| 18:58:46 | Quel|out | Stevie[FP]: i had a 30GB hd and it took me less than 6 months to fill it ;) |
| 18:59:23 | Stevie[FP] | Quel|out: I bet you used more than 26mb to fill it |
| 18:59:29 | Stevie[FP] | now WTF IS WRONG WITH THIS POS |
| 19:00 |
| 19:00:23 | Quel|out | Stevie[FP]: 26 mb is 'Achilles, agony and ecstasy in eight parts' mp3 ;) |
| 19:00:53 | Stevie[FP] | lol |
| 19:00:56 | Stevie[FP] | the filename itself is probably 25.9mb |
| 19:01:12 | Stevie[FP] | 'achilles, agony, ecstasy, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc...' |
| 19:01:33 | Quel|out | 28 minutes :) |
| 19:03:35 | MiChAeLoL | these look like some pretty shitty headphones |
| 19:04:15 | MiChAeLoL | nice lcd screen :D |
| 19:04:45 | MiChAeLoL | increadibly quiet hd drive |
| 19:04:52 | MiChAeLoL | compaired to the one in my computer lol |
| 19:06:24 | MiChAeLoL | does it go out of usb mode once you stop the device? |
| 19:06:37 | Stevie[FP] | no |
| 19:06:44 | Stevie[FP] | only after unplguging |
| 19:06:48 | MiChAeLoL | good because it didnt |
| 19:07:21 | MiChAeLoL | how do i use it when its charging? |
| 19:08:01 | Stevie[FP] | charge it with the a/c adapter |
| 19:08:08 | MiChAeLoL | i am |
| 19:08:17 | Stevie[FP] | oh |
| 19:08:22 | Stevie[FP] | so it's just saying 'charging'? |
| 19:08:41 | | Quit hardeep ("BitchX-1.0c19 © 1996-2002 Colten Edwards") |
| 19:09:47 | MiChAeLoL | yea |
| 19:09:53 | Stevie[FP] | hold ON for a few seconds |
| 19:09:54 | MiChAeLoL | do i have to plug it in when its turned on? |
| 19:09:56 | MiChAeLoL | ok |
| 19:10:21 | Stevie[FP] | lmao |
| 19:10:21 | Stevie[FP] | <scirDSL> I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals. |
| 19:12:24 | | Join edx` [0] (edx@pD9EAABB3.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:13:47 | * | Stevie[FP] yawns |
| 19:16:49 | | Quit edx (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) |
| 19:19:18 | MiChAeLoL | how do i view hidden files? |
| 19:19:39 | Stevie[FP] | with rawkbawx |
| 19:19:44 | Stevie[FP] | press F2 (the middle button) |
| 19:19:48 | Stevie[FP] | press DOWN until it says 'All' |
| 19:19:50 | Stevie[FP] | then press F2 again |
| 19:20:00 | MiChAeLoL | no trying to upgrade the firmware |
| 19:20:06 | MiChAeLoL | dont see it on my computer |
| 19:20:15 | Stevie[FP] | don't see what on your computer? |
| 19:20:25 | MiChAeLoL | the old firmware |
| 19:20:37 | Stevie[FP] | ... the old firmware is on a microchip in your FM |
| 19:20:46 | MiChAeLoL | so i just put the new in? |
| 19:20:50 | Stevie[FP] | therefore, it is HIGHLY unlikely that you'll ever be able to see it on your pc |
| 19:20:53 | Stevie[FP] | indeed |
| 19:20:58 | MiChAeLoL | excellent |
| 19:21:26 | MiChAeLoL | in the root dir? |
| 19:21:37 | Stevie[FP] | yep |
| 19:33:35 | * | Stevie[FP] is away [fewdd] [KS-MsgLog Off] |
| 19:33:41 | Stevie[FP] | bbl |
| 19:33:57 | MT | o~MiChAeLoL: if i remember right, you were getting an fm recorder? it might be handy (ive loaded it like twice in 6 months) to have a copy of the archos firmware : http://www.archos.com/download/firmware/jbrfm_v130j_update.zip |
| 19:34:26 | MT | just call it something thats not ajbrec.ajz, stick it anywhere on the drive, and by 'playing' it in rockbox, you can load it |
| 19:40:57 | | Nick edx` is now known as edx (edx@pD9EAABB3.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:41:33 | MiChAeLoL | ok |
| 19:41:55 | MiChAeLoL | how do i scan through songs? |
| 19:43:55 | MT | fastforward/rewind? |
| 19:44:11 | MiChAeLoL | yea |
| 19:58:39 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 20:00:07 | | Quit mecraw (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 20:28:36 | | Quit awy[baer] (Remote closed the connection) |
| 20:31:34 | Quel|out | rebooting |
| 20:31:59 | | Quit Quel|out ("Cerrando la cliente") |
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| 20:38:03 | | Join MiChAeLo1 [0] (michael@12-249-226-112.client.attbi.com) |
| 20:38:08 | * | MiChAeLo1 is happy with his rockbox |
| 20:39:02 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 20:39:52 | * | Stevie[FP] is back from [fewdd] [gone 1hr 6mins 16secs] [KS] |
| 20:39:58 | Stevie[FP] | WTF |
| 20:40:07 | MiChAeLo1 | and a happy WTF to you too |
| 20:40:18 | quelsaruk | Stevie[FP]: you're getting stressed |
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| 20:40:38 | MiChAeLo1 | you should work on some other projects and take a break |
| 20:40:45 | MiChAeLo1 | like space invaders ...hehe |
| 20:40:54 | Stevie[FP] | well I can't figure out what is wrong |
| 20:40:56 | Stevie[FP] | >:( |
| 20:41:08 | quelsaruk | neither i |
| 20:41:19 | * | MiChAeLo1 wishes he had space invaders |
| 20:41:24 | MiChAeLo1 | or pong |
| 20:41:36 | quelsaruk | have you comented that with idc-dragon or linus?? |
| 20:41:39 | MiChAeLo1 | or breakout |
| 20:41:43 | MiChAeLo1 | nope |
| 20:43:55 | MiChAeLo1 | hmmm think ill try the chip8 patch |
| 20:45:12 | quelsaruk | MiChAeLo1: those games are...pse.. |
| 20:45:19 | quelsaruk | i didn't like them |
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| 20:46:40 | | Nick MiChAeLo1 is now known as MiChAeLoL (michael@12-249-226-112.client.attbi.com) |
| 20:46:52 | MiChAeLoL | nm then |
| 20:47:01 | MiChAeLoL | space invaders would be nice tho |
| 20:47:05 | MiChAeLoL | or a simple calculator |
| 20:47:15 | quelsaruk | MiChAeLoL: i have pacman on mi siemens S55 |
| 20:47:16 | quelsaruk | ;) |
| 20:47:24 | MiChAeLoL | not scientific and all that crap, just add subtract divide multiply |
| 20:48:51 | * | MiChAeLoL wants to be able to compile rockbox |
| 20:52:00 | | Join hardeep [0] (1098@208.247.65.237) |
| 20:52:53 | quelsaruk | MiChAeLoL: try using cygwin... |
| 20:52:58 | quelsaruk | not the lite version |
| 20:53:11 | quelsaruk | check if that version breaks too |
| 20:53:37 | MiChAeLoL | i did |
| 20:53:43 | MiChAeLoL | after the lite version broke |
| 20:53:55 | MiChAeLoL | its cause it wont run in xp |
| 20:53:59 | MiChAeLoL | at least it wont for me |
| 20:54:05 | quelsaruk | umm |
| 20:54:12 | quelsaruk | i've run it on winxp |
| 20:54:20 | MiChAeLoL | how do you run it? |
| 20:54:32 | quelsaruk | double clicking :) |
| 20:54:44 | MiChAeLoL | doesnt work for me that way |
| 20:54:48 | quelsaruk | umm |
| 20:54:54 | MiChAeLoL | just displays a window for a tenth of a second then closes |
| 20:54:58 | quelsaruk | have you added the reg file?? |
| 20:55:05 | MiChAeLoL | yes |
| 20:55:08 | MiChAeLoL | ill try it again |
| 20:55:12 | quelsaruk | :) |
| 20:56:06 | MiChAeLoL | ill redownload it |
| 20:57:59 | hardeep | MiChAeLoL: run cygwin from the cmd prompt to see what the error is (run cygwin.bat) |
| 20:58:03 | MiChAeLoL | cause i want to make a version with a ton of patches on it |
| 20:58:24 | MiChAeLoL | have to redownload |
| 21:00 |
| 21:00:25 | MiChAeLoL | do i have to delete the old version from teh regestiry? |
| 21:03:44 | MiChAeLoL | the system cannot find hte path specified. 'bash' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. |
| 21:04:15 | MiChAeLoL | do i have to reboot after adding it to the regestry or somehting? |
| 21:05:39 | MiChAeLoL | it aint working |
| 21:06:26 | * | MiChAeLoL is getting a grudge against cygwin |
| 21:09:47 | MiChAeLoL | and i couldnt compile it on my linux box either |
| 21:09:57 | Stevie[FP] | ... |
| 21:10:02 | quelsaruk | really strange |
| 21:10:09 | Stevie[FP] | I don't tink cygwin was meant to be compiled on linux |
| 21:10:25 | MiChAeLoL | no i couldnt compile rockbox on my linux box |
| 21:10:50 | MiChAeLoL | and i had gcc 3.1 and bin utils installed |
| 21:11:12 | MiChAeLoL | dont think i had them as a cross compiling envornment |
| 21:11:20 | MiChAeLoL | but when i tried to do that, it wouldnt compile |
| 21:15:04 | * | MiChAeLoL loads a 200kb playlist |
| 21:15:20 | MiChAeLoL | hehe like 2,450 songs |
| 21:15:53 | Stevie[FP] | WTF >:( |
| 21:15:59 | MiChAeLoL | so since in one folder, i have over 400 songs, if i load the old archos firmware what will happen? |
| 21:17:27 | * | MiChAeLoL wants id3 tag searching |
| 21:17:41 | MiChAeLoL | or space invaders |
| 21:17:44 | MiChAeLoL | or breakout |
| 21:17:57 | MiChAeLoL | suprized no one has ported breakout to it yet |
| 21:22:26 | quelsaruk | time to go home |
| 21:22:27 | quelsaruk | cu! |
| 21:22:50 | MiChAeLoL | see ya |
| 21:24:42 | | Part quelsaruk (""Eve's Avatar - Avatar's Eve"") |
| 21:25:11 | Stevie[FP] | meh |
| 21:26:34 | MiChAeLoL | hehe |
| 21:26:55 | MiChAeLoL | whell at least i got the version with the search engine |
| 21:26:58 | MiChAeLoL | well |
| 21:27:34 | * | MiChAeLoL needs to find a really high quality mic to test the sound capabilities |
| 21:42:40 | | Join tracktheripper [0] (jirc@ACB930B7.ipt.aol.com) |
| 21:43:52 | tracktheripper | hello |
| 21:44:25 | Stevie[FP] | sup |
| 21:45:33 | | Nick Zagor|away is now known as Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) |
| 21:45:39 | Stevie[FP] | hey Zagor |
| 21:45:42 | Zagor | hi |
| 21:45:44 | Stevie[FP] | I'm still stuck on the HD problem =/ |
| 21:45:56 | Stevie[FP] | I'm consistent tho |
| 21:45:57 | Stevie[FP] | http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/jbremu/fm_hard_disk.jpg |
| 21:46:04 | Stevie[FP] | http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/jbremu/rec_hard_disk.jpg |
| 21:46:35 | Zagor | how far do you get in the disk code? |
| 21:46:47 | Stevie[FP] | I really don't get it at all |
| 21:46:56 | Stevie[FP] | I seem to get the most information out of the Player |
| 21:47:27 | Stevie[FP] | the Player lists the first mp3 ('A-Team' is the first song) |
| 21:47:51 | Stevie[FP] | it writes that to the screen three or four times |
| 21:47:56 | Stevie[FP] | and then says 'HARD DISK Error' |
| 21:48:38 | Zagor | ah, so that's the A-team string. lol. |
| 21:48:47 | Stevie[FP] | yeah, I was fooled because it doesnt say .mp3 |
| 21:49:12 | Stevie[FP] | but |
| 21:49:19 | Stevie[FP] | there's more |
| 21:49:28 | Stevie[FP] | it says '1/6' which I assume is supposed to mean that theres like 6 other files |
| 21:49:31 | Stevie[FP] | err 5 other files |
| 21:49:59 | Stevie[FP] | right? |
| 21:50:14 | Zagor | yes |
| 21:51:32 | Stevie[FP] | root@fpay69:/mnt# ls -l1 | wc -l |
| 21:51:32 | Stevie[FP] | 21 |
| 21:51:40 | Stevie[FP] | bit more than 6 in there |
| 21:51:54 | Zagor | are all those mp3 files? |
| 21:52:12 | Stevie[FP] | yep |
| 21:52:42 | Zagor | maybe there's a read error of some sort |
| 21:52:49 | Stevie[FP] | but that's not the REALLY bizarre thing |
| 21:53:37 | Stevie[FP] | between the first display (it redraws 3 or 4 times, the same text) of the filename |
| 21:53:42 | Stevie[FP] | and the 'hard disk error' message |
| 21:54:02 | Stevie[FP] | there are no accesses to the hard drive. |
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| 21:55:03 | Zagor | hmm, could simply be different threads/contexts both writing to the screen |
| 21:55:19 | Stevie[FP] | It doesn't seem to be that way |
| 21:55:54 | Zagor | ...or the error already occured, but is not displayed until after displaying the file |
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| 21:56:19 | Stevie[FP] | yeah, but what I don't understand is −− what error could have occurred? |
| 21:56:35 | Zagor | the truncated dir could be a hint |
| 21:56:43 | Stevie[FP] | okay |
| 21:57:25 | Stevie[FP] | it reads sector 2111 |
| 21:58:21 | Stevie[FP] | at the very beginning of which I see the filenames |
| 21:58:43 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:59:08 | * | Stevie[FP] rubs his head |
| 21:59:12 | Stevie[FP] | well hmm |
| 21:59:19 | Stevie[FP] | there are 6 files listed |
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| 22:00:35 | MiChAeLoL | what is the best way to charge the battery? |
| 22:00:40 | MiChAeLoL | (so it will last the longest) |
| 22:00:49 | Stevie[FP] | with electricity |
| 22:01:01 | Zagor | MiChAeLoL: let it charge overnight |
| 22:01:12 | MiChAeLoL | ok |
| 22:01:13 | Zagor | make sure "trickle charge" is enabled |
| 22:01:17 | MiChAeLoL | how? |
| 22:01:17 | Stevie[FP] | he has an FM |
| 22:01:22 | Zagor | oh :) |
| 22:01:25 | MiChAeLoL | cause it charges in teh archos firmware |
| 22:01:34 | MiChAeLoL | yep got my fm for 222 dollars :D |
| 22:02:06 | * | Stevie[FP] grumbles |
| 22:02:09 | MiChAeLoL | so what type of battery is in it? |
| 22:02:18 | Stevie[FP] | are there any known issues with mkdosfs or anything? |
| 22:02:23 | MiChAeLoL | lithium-ion? |
| 22:02:27 | Zagor | MiChAeLoL: yup |
| 22:02:46 | Zagor | Stevie[FP]: none that I know of. i've used it extensively during the fat32 driver development. |
| 22:02:58 | Stevie[FP] | meh |
| 22:03:02 | Stevie[FP] | ok i'm confused |
| 22:03:04 | MiChAeLoL | hehe |
| 22:03:06 | Stevie[FP] | all these files are in the root |
| 22:03:12 | MiChAeLoL | so no charging issues? |
| 22:03:19 | Stevie[FP] | if I dosfsck /dev/loopa1 |
| 22:03:43 | Stevie[FP] | Root directory start at cluster 2 (arbitrary size) |
| 22:04:08 | Stevie[FP] | Data area starts at byte 1048576 (sector 2048) |
| 22:04:20 | Stevie[FP] | the partition starts at sector 63 |
| 22:04:31 | Stevie[FP] | and the ATA sector address is 2111 |
| 22:04:39 | Stevie[FP] | 2111 - 63 == 2048 |
| 22:04:49 | Stevie[FP] | so it's reading the root directory filenames from the data area? |
| 22:05:28 | Zagor | the root dir is stored the same place as all other file data |
| 22:06:04 | Stevie[FP] | it says the root directory starts at cluster 2, which (with 512-byte clusters) is sector 2 relative to the partition |
| 22:07:19 | Zagor | that is relative from start of the data area |
| 22:07:41 | Stevie[FP] | oh |
| 22:07:46 | Zagor | static int first_sector_of_cluster(int cluster) |
| 22:07:46 | Zagor | { |
| 22:07:46 | Zagor | return (cluster - 2) * fat_bpb.bpb_secperclus + fat_bpb.firstdatasector; |
| 22:08:02 | Stevie[FP] | okay |
| 22:09:13 | Stevie[FP] | so why can fpay69 list the files |
| 22:09:20 | Stevie[FP] | yet the emu fails? |
| 22:09:29 | Stevie[FP] | the list of filenames is interrupted |
| 22:09:46 | Zagor | good question. can you send me a hex dump of sector 2111? |
| 22:09:54 | Stevie[FP] | i certainly can |
| 22:10:19 | * | Stevie[FP] pets dd |
| 22:11:02 | Stevie[FP] | hmm |
| 22:11:13 | Stevie[FP] | well anyway |
| 22:11:36 | czarnoff | I'm having trouble with the Jump scroll in the daily build (it won't turn off). Any suggestions? |
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| 22:11:52 | Zagor | what i'm wondering is if it's displaying data from just that sector, or more. or perhaps not even the whole sector. |
| 22:11:59 | Stevie[FP] | http://www.qrpff.net/~stevie/jbremu/sector_2111 |
| 22:12:11 | Stevie[FP] | well theres only 6 filenames in that sector |
| 22:12:35 | Stevie[FP] | but I don't know enough about fat32 to know if anything's wrong here |
| 22:13:17 | Zagor | czarnoff: you are pressing PLAY to activate the change, are you? not STOP |
| 22:14:46 | czarnoff | Yes I'm pressing play but the text is all 0& or / _/ /0"Jú? <- |
| 22:15:34 | czarnoff | (I've got the player) pressing the + only makes it weirder. |
| 22:15:54 | Zagor | odd. i don't get that problem |
| 22:16:04 | Zagor | are you using a loaded language? |
| 22:16:13 | czarnoff | I don't think so. |
| 22:16:38 | czarnoff | It happened after I started Jump_scroll_always. |
| 22:16:50 | czarnoff | I didn't realize it was perminant :) |
| 22:17:46 | tracktheripper | hey |
| 22:17:59 | czarnoff | Now I'm getting random "sound Setti" or "Show ID3 In" between garbage |
| 22:18:05 | tracktheripper | Zagor will Jump Scroll appear for the Recorders because it sounds like quite a useful mode |
| 22:18:38 | Zagor | tracktheripper: i don't know. ask kjell, who implemeted it |
| 22:19:37 | tracktheripper | oh ok thanx |
| 22:19:45 | Zagor | Stevie[FP]: sector looks ok to me |
| 22:20:09 | Zagor | i assume you have proper boundary checks so it doesn't try to read a sector outside the disk or anything? |
| 22:20:09 | czarnoff | I've tried changing the value in a config file and then loading the config but it didn't seem to do anything. |
| 22:23:11 | Stevie[FP] | Zagor: it's not even reading any sectors beyond that |
| 22:23:14 | Stevie[FP] | :-o |
| 22:23:28 | czarnoff | Well reset settings fixed it. |
| 22:23:37 | Stevie[FP] | so unless I'm not handling READ MULTIPLE correctly |
| 22:24:12 | Zagor | how many sectors per cluster do you have? |
| 22:24:33 | Stevie[FP] | dosfsck says 1 |
| 22:24:52 | Zagor | try with a higher value, 4 or 8. |
| 22:24:55 | Stevie[FP] | 512 bytes per logical sector |
| 22:24:55 | Stevie[FP] | 512 bytes per cluster |
| 22:25:05 | Stevie[FP] | errrr |
| 22:25:18 | Zagor | (-s option to makedosfs) |
| 22:27:10 | czarnoff | Maybe I'll try and recreate the error. |
| 22:27:56 | Stevie[FP] | lets see |
| 22:28:07 | Stevie[FP] | oh wait |
| 22:28:10 | * | Stevie[FP] blinks |
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| 22:29:02 | Zagor | czarnoff: i'm sorry I don't know what to try. if you don't get it sorted out, please file a bug report |
| 22:29:13 | Stevie[FP] | fat32 has a minimum cluster size of 2KB |
| 22:29:24 | Stevie[FP] | I'd say that's a bug in mkdosfs |
| 22:32:36 | Zagor | you could say that. mkdosfs is quite, eh, liberal. fat32 partitions aren't legal below 5gig or so either :-) |
| 22:33:25 | Stevie[FP] | actually |
| 22:33:49 | Stevie[FP] | I saw a page that says 2KB fat32 partitions are valid for up to 127MB |
| 22:34:15 | Zagor | well, not according to microsofts specifications :) |
| 22:35:10 | czarnoff | I think I've figured it out Zagor. I believe I under stand the bug and I'll see if I can provide a fix. |
| 22:35:23 | czarnoff | If I do can I send it to someone? |
| 22:35:31 | Zagor | czarnoff: is this a binary download or did you compile it yourself? |
| 22:35:49 | Zagor | please upload it to the patch tracker |
| 22:36:06 | czarnoff | binary download, but I have the code to compile it myself. (just lazy) |
| 22:37:27 | Stevie[FP] | well now it only says 1/5 |
| 22:37:29 | * | Stevie[FP] kicks it |
| 22:37:37 | Zagor | 4 sec/clus? |
| 22:37:40 | Stevie[FP] | annnnnnnnd HARD DISK Error |
| 22:37:46 | Stevie[FP] | yeah |
| 22:37:52 | Zagor | ok, try this then |
| 22:38:31 | Zagor | locate where in the FAT the cluster chain is located (most likely the absolute beginning). |
| 22:38:44 | Stevie[FP] | how do I know such a thing? |
| 22:38:46 | Zagor | buh, no ignore that |
| 22:39:04 | Zagor | it should read the entire cluster before looking at the chain, so that's not the problem |
| 22:44:22 | Stevie[FP] | it reads 607 (partition sector 544) five times |
| 22:44:30 | Zagor | ! |
| 22:44:51 | Stevie[FP] | but never 608, 609, 610 |
| 22:45:18 | Stevie[FP] | what I find very interesting is that after 607 (MUCH later) it reads absolute sector 62 |
| 22:45:57 | Zagor | i think 62 is their config sector |
| 22:46:01 | Stevie[FP] | which is before the first sector of the FAT |
| 22:46:04 | Stevie[FP] | ah |
| 22:46:32 | Stevie[FP] | it reads 62 five times |
| 22:46:40 | Stevie[FP] | then initializes the MAS chip |
| 22:46:45 | Zagor | yeah, you wanna be certain ;) |
| 22:46:52 | Stevie[FP] | lol |
| 22:46:58 | Stevie[FP] | after the MAS chip it goes back to 607 |
| 22:47:10 | Stevie[FP] | five more reads of 607 |
| 22:47:18 | Stevie[FP] | then writes to the display |
| 22:47:23 | Stevie[FP] | 'A-Team ' |
| 22:47:43 | Stevie[FP] | '* 1/5 * 0' |
| 22:47:54 | Stevie[FP] | the first * is a note icon, the 2nd looks like an arrow |
| 22:48:16 | Stevie[FP] | it then immediately writes that out to the display *again* |
| 22:48:23 | Stevie[FP] | and *again* |
| 22:48:26 | Stevie[FP] | and *again* |
| 22:48:35 | Zagor | hehe |
| 22:48:45 | Stevie[FP] | then it writes 'HARD DISK ' ' Error ' |
| 22:48:52 | Stevie[FP] | once |
| 22:48:52 | Stevie[FP] | twice |
| 22:49:10 | Stevie[FP] | and it looks like that's it |
| 22:49:34 | Stevie[FP] | the only thing that happens after that are interrupt 16 (timer 0) and interrupt 45 (a/d converter) |
| 22:50:12 | Zagor | i'm guessing it's one of two things |
| 22:50:32 | Zagor | 1) it's expecting some ata behaviour that you haven't implemented yet |
| 22:51:06 | Zagor | 2) it bugs for some reason and reads the same sector instead of the consecutives, detects strange data and bails out |
| 22:51:27 | Stevie[FP] | meh |
| 22:51:32 | Zagor | admittedly #2 is a bit of a stretch... |
| 22:51:42 | Stevie[FP] | do we have the IDENTIFY DEVICE output from a real drive? |
| 22:52:08 | Zagor | not saved anywhere, but we can certainly fix that |
| 22:53:33 | Stevie[FP] | ok |
| 22:53:41 | Stevie[FP] | I wonder which ATA version they coded against |
| 22:57:59 | Stevie[FP] | ok its 5pm and it's friday |
| 22:58:00 | Stevie[FP] | im outta here |
| 22:58:02 | * | Stevie[FP] is away [gawn] [KS-MsgLog Off] |
| 22:58:04 | Stevie[FP] | l8r |
| 22:58:12 | Zagor | bye |
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| 23:01:47 | czarnoff | Hey I fixed it. (the stupid jump scroll problem) Now to send it in :) |
| 23:05:02 | Zagor | great |
| 23:05:37 | czarnoff | There's a "254" that needs to be a "5". |
| 23:15:06 | czarnoff | bye bye |
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