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#rockbox log for 2003-06-19

00:01:19***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
00:04:02*Stevie[FP] notes that they could have definitely coded this far better
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00:15:00midknight2k3ysy!
00:15:06midknight2k3my archos easteregg was accepted
00:15:27 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Jet8810@adsl-34-188-107.bct.bellsouth.net)
00:16:08midknight2k3yay
00:16:11midknight2k3my archos easteregg was accepted
00:16:16midknight2k3im so proud
00:17:44midknight2k3wanna see it?
00:17:56midknight2k3its the "searial copy protection management system" thing
00:19:02MTcereal copy protection management: protects against weetabix
00:19:11midknight2k3?
00:19:13midknight2k3lol
00:21:28*Stevie[FP] invents a quantum molecular cloning device to override the copy protection and replicates some Cocoa Pebbles
00:21:49midknight2k3lol
00:22:22Jet8810lol
00:22:36Jet8810is sharing/ripping/burning CDs among the same household illegal?
00:22:43midknight2k3no
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00:23:02Yeftheyoooo!
00:23:10midknight2k3hey
00:23:33Jet8810sweet
00:23:37Jet8810dont matter if they are family, right?
00:23:39Jet8810hey YEFT
00:23:44midknight2k3i dont think so lol
00:24:10Jet8810haha
00:24:11Jet8810cool
00:25:09Yeft?
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00:25:34Jet8810Yeft
00:25:45Jet8810<Jet8810> is sharing/ripping/burning CDs among the same household illegal?
00:25:46Yeftwhat
00:25:47Yeftwhat
00:25:59Yeftis it ever illegal?
00:26:07Jet8810heh yea
00:26:07midknight2k3i know lol
00:26:10midknight2k3i dont think so
00:26:14Jet8810you forgot, I try to be honest
00:26:32Jet8810yea, copying music, alas Kazaa, is illegal
00:26:32midknight2k3oh come on
00:26:36Jet8810and so is illegally burning CDs
00:26:43midknight2k3sharing a cd with your family is not illegal
00:26:47Jet8810midknight, you thin ka CDs good, buy it and support the artist
00:26:50Jet8810yea
00:26:56Jet8810but I just like to be extra cautious
00:27:00Jet8810and its not family, its my maid :-P
00:27:02Jet8810but she lives here
00:27:09midknight2k3because the RIAA is outside your door!
00:27:12midknight2k3be careful!
00:27:24midknight2k3turn your monitor away so they cant see the burn process!
00:27:25Jet8810nah
00:27:33Jet8810I dont care about the persecution
00:27:36Jet8810its the morality side of it...
00:27:44Yeftwats the RIAA?
00:27:46midknight2k3you decide
00:27:48Jet8810society as a whole has lost sight of all morality, and I dont want that to happen to me
00:27:48Yeftbah
00:27:58Jet8810heh
00:28:03Jet8810money, or morality?
00:28:06Jet8810I choose morality :)
00:28:06midknight2k3you bought the cd and you would like to make a copy for a family member who's in the next room. What do you think?
00:28:11Jet8810hehe
00:28:20Jet8810yea, that was a kinda ridiculous quesiton
00:28:22Jet8810but still :)
00:28:24Yefti'm taking rockbox off my recorder (for now) its a b"tch turning on the other firmware which is better (unless you wanna play wormlet)
00:28:36midknight2k3what?
00:28:39LinusNYeft: ?
00:28:49midknight2k3rockbox is way better
00:28:49Yeftyes.......
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00:28:58midknight2k3lol
00:29:04Stevie[FP]LinusN: he's saying he likes the Archos FW better than Rockbox on the FM
00:29:16midknight2k3BOO YEFT!
00:29:21Yeftlol
00:29:37Yeftbut, i think rockbox still has a little way to go in the fm dept.
00:29:44Jet8810in what way
00:29:44midknight2k3well yes
00:29:44Jet8810?
00:29:49midknight2k3but otherwise its better
00:30:03LinusNYeft: care to elaborate?
00:30:05midknight2k3hitting play on archos original.ajz is too hard?
00:30:13midknight2k3lol
00:30:24Yeftit is!
00:30:28midknight2k3WOW!
00:30:32Stevie[FP]I love C
00:30:34Stevie[FP]while (max−−>0 && !(x = *addr++));
00:31:11Yeftok i like the menu selection in the archos firmware uses is visible (as to waht each does)
00:31:28Yefti also don't like the inverted look, and the normal is very hard to view......
00:31:35midknight2k3halt
00:31:40midknight2k3how is normal hard to view
00:31:46midknight2k3it's the same thing as archos
00:31:59Yeftmine isnt
00:31:59midknight2k3change the contrast if thats the problem
00:32:05Yeftoh!
00:32:06midknight2k3the contrast probably
00:32:07Stevie[FP]the default contrast
00:32:07Yeftlol
00:32:08LinusNinverted look?
00:32:08midknight2k3god lol
00:32:09Stevie[FP]on the FM
00:32:12Stevie[FP]is VERY LOW
00:32:13Yeftbrb
00:32:17midknight2k3hahahah
00:32:19Yeftbrb : P
00:32:21midknight2k3yeft
00:32:23midknight2k3one thing
00:32:24Stevie[FP]so the screen is barely readable
00:32:25midknight2k3a good thing to do is
00:32:33midknight2k3GO THRU EACH MENU OPTION to set it
00:32:45midknight2k3see what you can set and see what you like one way or another
00:32:53Stevie[FP]and looks like crap, cuz columns with fewer dark pixels look darker (more voltage per pixel)
00:32:55midknight2k3dont just say oh i need to change the contrast thats it
00:33:12midknight2k3yeah
00:33:15midknight2k3i noticed
00:33:23midknight2k3yeft a good contrast is like 52
00:33:32*Stevie[FP] wonders if there's an lcd setting that makes the regulator more... regular
00:36:13*LinusN is working on the "disk full" handling code
00:36:21*midknight2k3 what?
00:36:49LinusNgracefully handle a full disk when recording
00:36:58midknight2k3oh
00:37:09midknight2k3isnt the red zone more important?
00:37:32LinusNred zone?
00:37:49midknight2k3on peak meter
00:37:59LinusNnot at all
00:38:09midknight2k3gerrr
00:38:29LinusNwhy do you think a red zone will help anything?
00:38:41midknight2k3its' just neat
00:38:51midknight2k3to tell where the recordeing level should be
00:39:02midknight2k3then you get a good idea
00:39:15midknight2k3its hard to tell with peakmeter on the DBfS setting
00:39:28midknight2k3you could have an option where the redzone starts too
00:40:56LinusNas long as you don't max out the level, you should be ok, or have i misunderstood something?
00:41:08midknight2k3i dont know
00:41:24midknight2k3it just seems like a neat little tidbit people might want
00:41:29midknight2k3not requred but a nicety
00:41:58LinusNthen i don't think it is more important than the disk full handling
00:42:06midknight2k3ok
00:42:24LinusNthe disk full handling is the "rec fls: -114" bug
00:42:26midknight2k3i must go for a bit
00:42:29midknight2k3oh
00:42:32midknight2k3neat
00:42:32Stevie[FP]rec fls?
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00:42:59LinusNpanic when the file syetem write fails
00:43:02*Stevie[FP] puts that into the category of 'error messages approximately as useful as "General Protection Fault"'
00:46:49LinusNfor the user, yes
00:47:36*Stevie[FP] is away [pewf] [KS-MsgLog Off]
00:47:38Stevie[FP]headin home
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00:55:53LinusNwee, it works
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01:24:57Stevie-Oi'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack
01:25:06Stevie-Omuhahahaha
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01:34:31trackthripperhi
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01:36:30trackthripperis it worth including "Diagnose" from the archos firmware, that monitors drive condition?
01:36:42Stevie-Ono idea
01:37:22trackthripperyea what it does is "check" the HD and gives an "Ok" or "Error" message
01:44:44Stevie-Olike chkdsk?
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03:45:25OliverKlozoffok
03:45:30OliverKlozoffwtf is on pb6
03:48:45OliverKlozoffhmm
03:48:49OliverKlozoffloox like the red LED
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03:59:25midknight2k3hello
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04:08:25earHurtsswedish cd tax?
04:08:48midknight2k3huh?
04:09:09Stevie-Oas long as there's no swedish fish tax
04:09:18midknight2k3yay!
04:09:24midknight2k3swedish fish!! mmmm!
04:12:52earHurtsslashdot
04:13:03midknight2k3yes
04:13:05earHurtsswedish dmca
04:13:13midknight2k3"/."
04:52:28midknight2k3hello?
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06:21:05Stevie-Odamnit
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06:43:34earHurtsHow are you gentlemen !!
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07:13:15PsycoXulughhhh WTF
07:13:25PsycoXulmy archos' HD is going to hell or something
07:13:38PsycoXulrm: cannot unlink `/mnt/jb/Classical/Vivaldi-The_Four_Seasons_(Le_Quattro_Stagioni)/?g1\255ky\273\363.\240\342?/\346????"\277\274.|?\261/\177\374?s?\352d\t.d\002?/4w y\0048\242a.?\f\b/yv.\377\377\367': Read-only file system
07:13:52PsycoXuland now rm's stuck
07:14:52PsycoXulwtf it's filenames are all corrupt
07:15:06PsycoXuland it keeps having problems working at all
07:15:10PsycoXulerrors on start up
07:17:41PsycoXulgrr that directory is totally fucked and won't delete
07:20:00OliverKlozoffperhaps you need to fsck
07:27:36PsycoXuli ran a scandisk after it first started having problems and it didn't find anything
07:30:24OliverKlozoffchkdsk
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08:00:33thuhow about a rockbox hack to make it work with ext3 or reiser? :P
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08:00:46*thu needs to fsck
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12:27:21Bagderhey
12:27:34LinusNwhat do we want rockbox to do when it runs out of disk space while recording?
12:27:52Bagderstop recording ;-)
12:27:55dwihnoSegfault! :)
12:28:00dwihnoDon't listen to Bagder
12:28:09Bagdershow a message about it I'd guess
12:28:12LinusNmy idea is stop recording, mute sound monitoring, and wait for a key press
12:28:33dwihnosounds good
12:28:34LinusNand a splash of course
12:28:56dwihnoneato
12:29:24LinusNproblem is, the FAT will be inconsistent, so scandisk/fsck is needed
12:29:51dwihnoperform a disk space check on every write than
12:30:06dwihnoand if space < 500k, stop recording (and refuse recording if space is less than 500k)
12:30:25LinusNdwihno: checking remaining space may take >10 seconds
12:30:49dwihnoEeeeep
12:30:53dwihnoA scandisk is not good either
12:30:58LinusN(the archos firmware performs a space check before starting the recording)
12:31:10LinusNmaybe we should do the same...
12:31:43dwihnoyea
12:31:49dwihnothen approximate
12:34:07LinusNwe can of course have an option to do a check manually
12:34:28LinusNwith a check, we can abort gracefully
12:34:42LinusNwithout it, well, you may have to run scandisk if you run out of space
12:38:27dwihnoindeed
12:38:33dwihnowhat do you think is better?
12:38:40dwihnoCorrupted file system = bad
12:40:57LinusNno, no, it's up to the user to decide
12:42:02LinusNit's up to the user to decide not to perform a check before recording
12:42:24LinusNif he knows that there is plenty of space, he wouldn't need to check
12:52:06dwihnoAn extra option, perhaps?
12:53:53LinusNyou mean "check space before recording"?
12:54:01dwihnoyea
12:54:09dwihnoor perhaps a question when you enter the recording
12:54:31LinusNnah
12:54:47LinusNi want the recording process as hassle-free as possible
12:54:52dwihnookay
12:55:02dwihnowell, most people have at least a couple of gigs available
12:55:05Bagderthe sf CVS is totally screwed up
12:55:06dwihnoso it should be off by default
12:55:22LinusNBagder: even for SSH access?
12:55:42Bagdernah, but anonymous users don't see the commits!
12:55:57BagderI've committed things I can update anonymously
12:55:58LinusN"up to 24 hours old", LOL
12:56:01Bagder(not in rockbox)
12:56:04Bagdercan't
12:57:14LinusNi don't want to be forced to move the cvs to our own server
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13:04:26BagderI did this huge change of lots of web stuff, and wanted to make sure it looks fine...
13:04:34Bagdergrrr
13:05:13LinusNi wish they could explain what they were doing
13:05:27Bagderyea
13:06:07LinusNsure, we can't expect 100% uptime, but a simple explanation would do fine
13:36:02Bagder"I utterly hate, despise and deplore using ID3 navigation."
13:36:04Bagderhehe
13:36:14LinusNyeah, saw that. :-)
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15:55:22Stevie[FP]eeenteresting
15:58:54Stevie[FP]something must be wrong here
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16:56:08Stevie[FP]wb matsl
16:56:45matslthanks. i'm off now. cu. ;-)
16:56:49Stevie[FP]l8r
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17:39:16Stevie[FP]mmmmmh
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17:56:15Stevie[FP]HD_RE1 eg
17:56:22Stevie[FP]erm
17:56:32Stevie[FP]HD_RE1 Beg
17:57:15Stevie[FP]hm
17:57:23Stevie[FP]never seen anything like that before...
17:59:23Stevie[FP]HDD_RE1 Begin
17:59:32*Stevie[FP] blinks
17:59:48Stevie[FP]oic
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19:30:46Guest1hiya, does anyone know whether rockbox can.does support AAC audio, the new audio format??
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20:17:46elinenbehello everyone...
20:20:15_aLFhi
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21:19:57AktarusESIEAhi !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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21:30:11Bio_Hazardyo
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21:32:09Stevie[FP]meh
21:42:17Bio_Hazardso how do i make suggestions? im on the mailing list but who do i send stuff to?
21:48:48Bio_Hazardhello?
21:50:16Bio_Hazardnever mind... (im dumb)
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22:26:06Stevie[FP]hmmmm
22:26:12Stevie[FP]hm hm hm hm hmmmmmm
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