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| 00:23:41 | tracktheripper | hellllllo |
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| 00:41:02 | BoD[] | hello !! |
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| 00:42:56 | Santa_Cruz | Hiiiiiiii |
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| 00:52:58 | Santa_Cruz | hello joshn |
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| 00:56:04 | Santa_Cruz | someone speak up :-) |
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| 01:02:02 | BoD[] | mblelop |
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| 02:57:18 | earHurts | How are you gentlemen !! |
| 02:57:29 | earHurts | anyone awake? |
| 02:59:53 | BoD[] | moi |
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| 03:00:05 | earHurts | great. |
| 03:00:21 | earHurts | what do you know about the battery? |
| 03:01:02 | BoD[] | it gives current to the unit |
| 03:01:29 | earHurts | what about the code that calcs the battery level? |
| 03:01:44 | BoD[] | :) I have no idea |
| 03:01:48 | BoD[] | what do you want to know |
| 03:02:10 | earHurts | it doesn't work as well as it could on the fm |
| 03:02:30 | earHurts | I want to understand why. |
| 03:02:44 | earHurts | is the volume linear? |
| 03:03:14 | BoD[] | it is probably because the fm battery is different |
| 03:03:27 | earHurts | yeah. |
| 03:03:33 | BoD[] | and i'm not sure the coders actually have the unit to test their code |
| 03:03:47 | earHurts | linus got an fm as a gift |
| 03:04:54 | BoD[] | yeah but the battery code was perhaps not made by linux |
| 03:04:55 | BoD[] | s |
| 03:04:56 | BoD[] | :)) |
| 03:05:08 | earHurts | true |
| 03:05:30 | earHurts | i think i shorted my battery |
| 03:07:04 | BoD[] | you can't change it right ? |
| 03:07:58 | earHurts | you can change it, but there are no replacements. |
| 03:09:25 | earHurts | you have an fm? |
| 03:10:18 | BoD[] | no i have a recorder 20 |
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| 03:10:48 | BoD[] | i had reboot problems so I replaced the batteries :) the good of it is that it's easy replacable |
| 03:10:54 | BoD[] | but it's "big" |
| 03:11:03 | earHurts | yeah' and yeah |
| 03:11:23 | earHurts | i like the lion form factor |
| 03:11:38 | earHurts | but running out of poer suxors |
| 03:11:47 | BoD[] | :) true |
| 03:11:49 | earHurts | power, even |
| 03:12:17 | BoD[] | true2 |
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| 03:33:20 | Nooby | I don't have a archos player yet but can you guys answer some of my questions |
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| 03:34:54 | Nooby | How long is battery life with rockbox firmware? |
| 03:35:30 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Nooby |
| 03:35:30 | Nooby | 4Does the Archos function as an external drive |
| 03:35:48 | Nooby | 8Is mp3 play gapless |
| 03:36:22 | Nooby | Is anybody even here |
| 03:37:13 | BoD[] | oui |
| 03:37:35 | BoD[] | how long ... it doesn't depend on the rockbox or archos firmware |
| 03:37:49 | BoD[] | yes it works fine as an external drive |
| 03:38:12 | BoD[] | mp3 play is not gapless but i'm not really sure about this one :) |
| 03:38:41 | Nooby | cool |
| 03:38:57 | BoD[] | i mean |
| 03:39:02 | BoD[] | it has gaps :) |
| 03:39:07 | Nooby | I'm thinking of getting one of these used if I can find one |
| 03:39:07 | BoD[] | but sometimes no |
| 03:39:33 | BoD[] | if you can find a cheap recorder or fm i think it's worth it :) |
| 03:39:55 | Nooby | oh yeah, what kind of quality can it record to |
| 03:40:33 | Nooby | I heard vbr mp3; is that true |
| 03:40:43 | BoD[] | it records mp3 vbr up to 320 44100 |
| 03:41:01 | Nooby | and the quality is good? |
| 03:41:29 | BoD[] | well actually I only tried to record with the internal mic |
| 03:41:52 | BoD[] | so the quality was not very good :) it's only a small mic |
| 03:42:06 | BoD[] | but if you record with spdif i guess it's perfect |
| 03:42:19 | Nooby | what spdif |
| 03:42:26 | BoD[] | not "perfect" since it's mp3 but as good as any high bitrate mp3 |
| 03:42:53 | BoD[] | spdif? the digital plug |
| 03:43:00 | Nooby | line-in? |
| 03:43:10 | BoD[] | yes |
| 03:43:53 | BoD[] | there's a "normal" line in and a digital one |
| 03:44:29 | Nooby | that's good |
| 03:44:37 | BoD[] | yup |
| 03:45:19 | Nooby | is the sound quality good |
| 03:45:50 | BoD[] | yes |
| 03:46:09 | BoD[] | sometimes you can hear a low high pitch noise |
| 03:46:44 | BoD[] | it's when the hard drive works I think and/or other components |
| 03:46:59 | BoD[] | but it's very "low" ... some people don't notice it |
| 03:47:08 | Nooby | that's normal with all hard drive players I think |
| 03:47:19 | BoD[] | possible, i'm not sure |
| 03:49:02 | Nooby | and how big is the archos? Do you have the dimensions or pictures in comparison to some other player? |
| 03:49:36 | BoD[] | sorry i dont have such pictures.. you can find the dimensions on archos' web site :) |
| 03:52:49 | BoD[] | i go to bed now ! see you |
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| 03:53:58 | Nooby | Does anybody else here have any pictures in comparison to ipod or another mp3 player? |
| 03:56:45 | Stevie-O | newp |
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| 04:16:33 | earHurts | stevie? |
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| 04:51:56 | Stevie-O | hmm |
| 04:52:01 | Stevie-O | my stdio looks pretty std |
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| 06:56:06 | thu | hmm rockbox is acting up on me |
| 06:56:13 | thu | I guess I'd better grab the latest build |
| 06:57:03 | thu | is it normal for the sound to go off with Loudness at 10 and volume over 90%? |
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| 10:15:59 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Bluechip |
| 10:15:59 | Bluechip | 02mornin' all |
| 10:20:52 | Bluechip | 02anyone in who knows how far the MAS decoding has got? |
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| 10:22:31 | tracktheripper | morning |
| 10:22:37 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 10:22:37 | Bluechip | 02morning |
| 10:23:12 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 10:23:12 | Bluechip | 02waiting to see if anyone pops on with MAS knowledge - are you him? |
| 10:24:02 | tracktheripper | don't know much about the mas except it converts mp3 into sound waves |
| 10:24:21 | *** | Alert Mode level 3 |
| 10:24:21 | Bluechip | 02:(, there seems talk of a programming language for it |
| 10:24:36 | *** | Alert Mode level 4 |
| 10:24:36 | Bluechip | 02...wondering if anyone has any working code for it - any at all |
| 10:24:55 | tracktheripper | try asking Bjorn and co |
| 10:25:00 | tracktheripper | or even Micronas :-) |
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| 10:25:28 | Bluechip | 02I'm guessing that someone has contacted Micronas already |
| 10:25:44 | tracktheripper | lol and got told to piss off :-) |
| 10:26:17 | *** | Alert Mode level 6 |
| 10:26:17 | Bluechip | 02really? :( |
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| 10:26:27 | Bluechip | 02not surprising i guess |
| 10:26:38 | tracktheripper | well, Micronas have an iron grip on the programming docs :-( |
| 10:26:42 | *** | Alert Mode level 8 |
| 10:26:42 | Bluechip | 02YOU WANT TO USE OUR CHIPS!!?? |
| 10:26:47 | tracktheripper | heehee |
| 10:26:56 | *** | Alert Mode level 9 |
| 10:26:56 | Bluechip | 02yeah, but it's RISC |
| 10:26:56 | tracktheripper | I would love to have time streching on the Archos |
| 10:27:06 | *** | Alert Mode level 10 |
| 10:27:06 | Bluechip | 02RISC is simple by nature |
| 10:27:24 | *** | Alert Mode level 11 |
| 10:27:24 | Bluechip | 02spent the last three years working with it |
| 10:27:28 | tracktheripper | cool |
| 10:27:44 | *** | Alert Mode level 12 |
| 10:27:44 | Bluechip | 02if we have ANY code for it, we may well be able to reverse it |
| 10:27:46 | tracktheripper | Ive read somewhere a Terratec MP3 player uses the same MAS and it features time stretching |
| 10:27:54 | *** | Alert Mode level 13 |
| 10:27:54 | Bluechip | 02oooooohhhhhhhhh |
| 10:27:58 | *** | Alert Mode level 14 |
| 10:27:58 | Bluechip | 02do we have their firmware |
| 10:28:07 | tracktheripper | dunno |
| 10:28:10 | tracktheripper | i guess not |
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| 10:28:28 | Bluechip | 02more options open up :) |
| 10:28:33 | tracktheripper | heehee |
| 10:28:47 | tracktheripper | there is one other design flaw with the FM recorder as well as the lack of SPDIF |
| 10:29:13 | *** | Alert Mode level 16 |
| 10:29:13 | Bluechip | 02you're joking - they took THAT out of the FM as well??? |
| 10:29:23 | tracktheripper | yea |
| 10:29:29 | tracktheripper | theres no SPDIF on the FM Recorder |
| 10:29:32 | *** | Alert Mode level 17 |
| 10:29:32 | Bluechip | 02prats! |
| 10:29:42 | tracktheripper | I think they were forced by the RIAA! |
| 10:29:50 | *** | Alert Mode level 18 |
| 10:29:50 | Bluechip | 02Oh! |
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| 10:29:56 | Bluechip | 02lol |
| 10:30:07 | tracktheripper | since the SPDIF on the Recorder can output as well as input |
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| 10:30:12 | Bluechip | 02need cuppa T - will you still be here in 5 mins? |
| 10:30:23 | tracktheripper | i expect so |
| 10:30:39 | tracktheripper | And they put the headphone port on the SIDE rather than the TOP of the FM recorder |
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| 10:30:52 | tracktheripper | so its harder to put in your pocket |
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| 10:41:04 | Bluechip | 02yes, i noticed the socket when I looked at one in a shop - very weird |
| 10:41:49 | Bluechip | 02I concluded that if I wanted a radio, i would buy a credit card radio and velcro it to the back of my recorder |
| 10:43:21 | tracktheripper | :-) |
| 10:43:28 | tracktheripper | and if you wanna record, just line in............ |
| 10:43:30 | tracktheripper | :-) |
| 10:43:32 | tracktheripper | (-: |
| 10:43:34 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 10:43:34 | Bluechip | 02:) |
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| 10:43:54 | Bluechip | 02does rockbox do the 30 second record buffer thing? |
| 10:43:56 | tracktheripper | you do need a cable that has the 3.5mm jack on BOTH ends though |
| 10:44:04 | tracktheripper | it does not :-( |
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| 10:44:17 | Bluechip | 02my soldering is lousy, but I can make a cable up easily enough |
| 10:44:36 | tracktheripper | but if you wanna glue a radio to ur Jukebox, you need 2 power sources |
| 10:44:36 | *** | Alert Mode level 4 |
| 10:44:36 | Bluechip | 02perhaps worth adding to the request list |
| 10:44:38 | tracktheripper | 2 sets of batteries |
| 10:44:39 | tracktheripper | :-) |
| 10:44:49 | tracktheripper | you can buy such cables from Malpins |
| 10:45:02 | *** | Alert Mode level 5 |
| 10:45:02 | Bluechip | 02credit card fm radio's tend to work off a lithium button cell every year or so |
| 10:45:12 | tracktheripper | hmm |
| 10:46:32 | tracktheripper | bluechip there was a request sometime ago "Make the Player's LCD like the Recorder's LCD!" |
| 10:47:34 | *** | Alert Mode level 6 |
| 10:47:34 | Bluechip | 02check this: http://ohmslaw.com/radiokits.htm |
| 10:47:43 | tracktheripper | :-) |
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| 10:48:51 | Bluechip | 02as I understand, the lcd panel on the player does not have pixel addressing |
| 10:49:38 | tracktheripper | well it has 22 character cells |
| 10:49:59 | *** | Alert Mode level 8 |
| 10:49:59 | Bluechip | 02what are the dimentions? |
| 10:50:01 | tracktheripper | Bluechip don't laugh but check out this request and my comment |
| 10:50:13 | *** | Alert Mode level 9 |
| 10:50:13 | Bluechip | 02go4it... |
| 10:50:37 | tracktheripper | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=622395 |
| 10:52:00 | tracktheripper | did u get it? |
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| 10:52:06 | Bluechip | 02yep just reading |
| 10:52:18 | tracktheripper | :-) |
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| 10:53:07 | Bluechip | 02the real problem is WHAT to display? |
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| 10:53:16 | *** | Alert Mode level 12 |
| 10:53:16 | Bluechip | 02a scan of a cd will look AWFUL |
| 10:53:25 | *** | Alert Mode level 13 |
| 10:53:25 | Bluechip | 02cd-cover |
| 10:53:56 | tracktheripper | its the comment "squeeze an entire cover into one character cell :-) " |
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| 10:54:25 | Bluechip | 02I agree with one of the posts ...produce a couple of images 64x112 so that the programmers would have something to display |
| 10:54:36 | *** | Alert Mode level 15 |
| 10:54:36 | Bluechip | 0264x112x2 |
| 10:55:57 | Hanzz | hi, does anyone know where the mp3-buffer gets filled in the rockbox source code ? |
| 10:57:07 | *** | Alert Mode level 16 |
| 10:57:07 | Bluechip | 02i'm only guessing here - mepc.c?? |
| 10:57:11 | *** | Alert Mode level 17 |
| 10:57:11 | Bluechip | 02mpeg.c |
| 10:58:51 | tracktheripper | bluechip ive gotta go |
| 10:58:56 | tracktheripper | nice talking to ya |
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| 10:58:58 | Bluechip | 02ok m8 - good chatting |
| 10:58:59 | tracktheripper | have a nice day :-) |
| 10:59:03 | *** | Alert Mode level 19 |
| 10:59:03 | Bluechip | 02you too :) |
| 10:59:04 | Hanzz | hmm, yes, definitely somethings happening there, thanks |
| 10:59:07 | tracktheripper | ill be around later :-) |
| 10:59:22 | *** | Alert Mode level 20 |
| 10:59:22 | Bluechip | 02could grep for "open\(" |
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| 10:59:43 | *** | Alert Mode level 21 |
| 10:59:43 | Bluechip | 02Agent Ransack is 10/10 windows grep |
| 10:59:52 | *** | Alert Mode level 22 |
| 10:59:52 | Bluechip | 02freeware of course |
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| 11:02:00 | Bluechip | 02you're right, though, its not obvious is it? |
| 11:04:34 | *** | Alert Mode level 24 |
| 11:04:34 | Bluechip | 02yep, mpeg.c ...file handle is "mpeg_file" |
| 11:04:52 | Hanzz | well, i'm searching for the place were the buffer gets filled, it's the same place where the current status is stored on hd |
| 11:05:35 | Hanzz | i'd like to log the battery levels to a file, so i could determine a unload-curve for it |
| 11:05:47 | *** | Alert Mode level 25 |
| 11:05:47 | Bluechip | 02nice one |
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| 11:06:06 | Bluechip | 02why do you need the buffer_fill routine |
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| 11:06:34 | Bluechip | 02maybe that is where you plan to add your code? |
| 11:08:14 | Hanzz | i want to write to hd when it is running |
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| 11:08:21 | Bluechip | 02yep, makes sense |
| 11:08:29 | Hanzz | and it runs when it fills the buffer |
| 11:08:49 | Hanzz | for the player at least, it also write the current playing position to hd |
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| 11:09:29 | Bluechip | 02slightly o/t (but relevant) my editor will not spot procedure names prefixed with "static" can you do regular expressions - if i send what I have, can you reproduce it with "static" as a prefix |
| 11:11:08 | Hanzz | sorry, i work under windows, i'm totally not good at regular expressions |
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| 11:11:20 | Bluechip | 02same problem here :( |
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| 11:11:26 | Bluechip | 02lol |
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| 11:20:42 | Bluechip | 02mpeg.c line 1731, on daily build 20030616 |
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| 14:30:34 | Zagor | uh, my irc client has gone bonkers. brb |
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| 14:30:40 | hanzz | q: when rockbox refills the mp3 buffer from hd, it also saves playing status on the HD, does anyone know where that code is ? |
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| 14:59:52 | hanzz | another question : is there some counter in rockbox that keeps track of how many seconds it is on ? |
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| 15:03:43 | Zagor | hanzz: yes, although it bugs a bit |
| 15:04:08 | Zagor | actually the "on" counter doesn't bug, but the "runtime" counter does slightly |
| 15:04:26 | hanzz | do you know where the on counter is defined ? |
| 15:04:48 | Zagor | the "on" counter is the clock tick, current_tick. it's defined in the kernel |
| 15:05:01 | Zagor | it increases 100 times/s |
| 15:05:51 | hanzz | ok, thanks |
| 15:11:22 | Zagor | use the HZ define to split it into seconds |
| 15:11:34 | Zagor | int seconds_on = current_tick / HZ; |
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| 15:44:34 | hanzz | nice, it seems to work |
| 15:44:43 | Zagor | what are you working on? |
| 15:45:33 | hanzz | i'm logging the time and battery level to a file, so i can improve the battery status |
| 15:45:37 | Zagor | ah |
| 15:45:46 | hanzz | it is different for almost everyones batteries |
| 15:46:06 | Zagor | check out globlal_settings.runtime too. it keeps track of runtime since last charge. |
| 15:46:34 | hanzz | i now log the number of seconds since the last write to the log file |
| 15:46:43 | hanzz | should be enough |
| 15:46:57 | Zagor | but do you remember that across reboots? |
| 15:47:10 | hanzz | nope |
| 15:47:36 | hanzz | not yet |
| 15:48:01 | hanzz | but a reboot can be detected with initialization of a variable to a certain value |
| 15:49:05 | hanzz | i'll first let my archos run for a while, see what the data looks like |
| 15:52:52 | hanzz | so, now reboots can be detected. |
| 15:53:42 | hanzz | only have to write a (windows) program to update the table in powermgmt.c |
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| 16:11:58 | hanzz | ...or let rockbox itself update the table, so battery status would keep improving by itself (little farfetched though) |
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| 16:25:47 | Zagor | hi hardeep |
| 16:27:45 | hardeep | heya Zagor... unusual to see you on a weekend. :) |
| 16:28:11 | Zagor | yeah :) |
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| 16:43:04 | thu | hey |
| 16:43:12 | thu | I'm just leaving for a few days with my archos |
| 16:43:18 | thu | what can I turn off to get longer battery life? |
| 16:43:26 | thu | other than lcd backlight? |
| 16:43:36 | hardeep | the music? |
| 16:43:42 | Zagor | hehe |
| 16:44:12 | thu | other than that |
| 16:44:13 | hanzz | you could recode some things to lower bitrate.... |
| 16:44:23 | thu | heh too late for that |
| 16:44:31 | hanzz | that'll give only a few percent anyway |
| 16:44:51 | Zagor | thu: if it's a recorder, enable disk poweroff |
| 16:44:56 | thu | it is |
| 16:45:12 | thu | and I have it set but I found out that it seems to eat more battery than anything else |
| 16:45:16 | thu | powering off/on that is |
| 16:45:25 | thu | is it true? |
| 16:45:26 | hanzz | do not browse much, just play, hd activity matters a lot |
| 16:46:24 | thu | I see |
| 16:46:28 | thu | do the sound settings matter? |
| 16:46:31 | Zagor | no |
| 16:46:55 | thu | btw would it help if I could turn off the lcd totally when playing? |
| 16:47:01 | hanzz | hardly |
| 16:47:03 | thu | I know I can't but I'm just wonderin |
| 16:47:13 | thu | so I'm basically doomed, right? |
| 16:47:17 | Zagor | the lcd only draws 1 mA or so |
| 16:47:28 | thu | okay lemme make this short |
| 16:47:32 | Zagor | bring spare batteries and a charger |
| 16:47:34 | thu | is there any setting that would matter in the end? |
| 16:47:45 | hanzz | disk spindown time maybe |
| 16:47:47 | thu | what kind of batts does a recorder have? |
| 16:47:54 | thu | hanzz: what would be optimum? |
| 16:47:57 | thu | recorder fm that is |
| 16:48:22 | hanzz | if you're mainly playing, set it to a few seconds |
| 16:48:25 | Zagor | oh, then you're out of luck. those aren't replacable |
| 16:48:59 | thu | heh thought so |
| 16:49:18 | thu | okay.. thanks for the tips |
| 16:49:32 | thu | I'll try hard to stay off the buttons.. maybe that will save a few mins of batt life |
| 16:49:56 | hardeep | there might be some portable battery chargers that run off standard batteries... |
| 16:50:16 | hardeep | i have one for my pda and it's come in handy a few times |
| 16:50:20 | thu | heh.. maybe next time |
| 16:51:11 | hanzz | 6 1.5v volt batteries in series should be able to give you one or 2 hours extra |
| 16:51:22 | hanzz | (just connect to your charger input) |
| 16:51:37 | hanzz | but a lot of energy gets lost in the charger circuit |
| 16:52:16 | hardeep | are you going to a place with a lot of sun? http://www.solardyne.com/isporsolchar.html |
| 16:52:23 | hardeep | that's pretty cool |
| 16:53:35 | thu | I actually am |
| 16:53:59 | thu | I don't have one of those solar chargers though |
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| 17:15:54 | Zagor | whee |
| 17:15:58 | Zagor | i just ran my first plugin |
| 17:17:31 | Zagor | it's a whopping 100 bytes :-) |
| 17:18:39 | hardeep | cool |
| 17:20:06 | TBoy | cool |
| 17:21:05 | hardeep | what did it do? |
| 17:21:20 | Zagor | print "hello world" and exit :-) |
| 17:21:45 | hardeep | laugh :) |
| 17:22:08 | Zagor | i'll do the text reader now |
| 17:23:39 | TBoy | hehe I'm having some problem compiling rb |
| 17:26:10 | TBoy | it happens when it tries to convert the clR6x8.bdf file |
| 17:26:39 | TBoy | to be specific |
| 17:26:40 | TBoy | tools/convbdf -c -o /home/rockbox/sysfont.c fonts/clR6x8.bdf |
| 17:26:40 | TBoy | make[1]: *** [/home/rockbox/sysfont.o] Error 255 |
| 17:26:40 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK TBoy |
| 17:26:40 | TBoy | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/rockbox/firmware' |
| 17:26:40 | TBoy | make: *** [firmware] Error 2 |
| 17:27:16 | TBoy | I just can't figure it out |
| 17:27:30 | TBoy | and Quel couldn't think of a solution |
| 17:27:49 | hardeep | that's the error when it can't find convbdf |
| 17:27:56 | hardeep | does it exist in the tools directory? |
| 17:28:01 | TBoy | but its there |
| 17:28:31 | hardeep | where are you building from? |
| 17:29:11 | TBoy | do you mean in what dir |
| 17:29:15 | hardeep | yeah |
| 17:29:28 | TBoy | its in home/rockbox |
| 17:29:58 | TBoy | i'm using windows, cygwin |
| 17:30:47 | hardeep | weird, doesn't build properly from root... create a 'build' directory and build from that |
| 17:30:52 | hardeep | for now |
| 17:31:19 | TBoy | ok |
| 17:31:20 | hardeep | so 1. mkdir build 2. cd build 3. ../tools/configure |
| 17:32:37 | TBoy | ok |
| 17:36:05 | TBoy | hmm still doesn't wirk |
| 17:36:39 | TBoy | wirk=work |
| 17:36:52 | hardeep | what happens now? |
| 17:36:58 | TBoy | the same thing |
| 17:37:55 | hardeep | you're building from home/rockbox/build ? |
| 17:38:26 | TBoy | yes |
| 17:38:42 | TBoy | then I tried what you told me |
| 17:38:47 | hardeep | and home/rockbox/tools/convbdf exists? |
| 17:39:07 | TBoy | yes convbdf.exe |
| 17:40:57 | hardeep | what's the convbdf command line now? |
| 17:41:06 | TBoy | ??? |
| 17:41:25 | hardeep | when you do a build... what's the line where convbdf is being called? |
| 17:41:54 | TBoy | tools/convbdf -c -o /build/sysfont.c fonts/clR6x8.bdf |
| 17:42:04 | TBoy | thats the one, righto? |
| 17:42:19 | hardeep | that means you're not building from rockbox/build |
| 17:42:43 | hardeep | it should be ../tools/confbdf ... |
| 17:43:01 | TBoy | hmm |
| 17:43:07 | TBoy | ok |
| 17:43:16 | TBoy | I try it again |
| 17:43:23 | hardeep | start with fresh source |
| 17:44:14 | TBoy | I appreciate you takin time to help me |
| 17:46:19 | TBoy | now I'm buildin in rockbox/build |
| 17:46:42 | TBoy | hmm |
| 17:46:48 | TBoy | still says |
| 17:46:49 | TBoy | tools/convbdf -c -o /rockbox/build/sysfont.c fonts/clR6x8.bdf |
| 17:47:22 | hardeep | where is the tools directory? rockbox/build/tools ? |
| 17:47:28 | TBoy | yes |
| 17:47:48 | hardeep | ah, heh... |
| 17:48:03 | TBoy | what |
| 17:48:15 | TBoy | sounds like you figured it out |
| 17:48:18 | TBoy | :D |
| 17:48:24 | hardeep | don't move everything into the build directory... |
| 17:48:36 | TBoy | but? |
| 17:49:54 | hardeep | follow the instructions here on how to build rockbox... see esp. where to create the build dir http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/how_to_compile.html |
| 17:50:25 | hardeep | there's a bug in the Makefile... you can't build from root |
| 17:50:34 | TBoy | oh |
| 17:56:23 | TBoy | I used to be able to compile it |
| 17:56:42 | TBoy | and then I used the dir usr/local/rockbox |
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| 18:00:12 | hardeep | okay, replace tools/configure with http://hardeeps.freeshell.org/patches/configure |
| 18:00:21 | hardeep | build from wherever you want |
| 18:01:08 | TBoy | hey thx man |
| 18:01:26 | TBoy | do you use windows |
| 18:01:40 | hardeep | yes, but this isn't a windows problem |
| 18:02:22 | TBoy | i know |
| 18:02:26 | TBoy | just wondering |
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| 18:17:35 | franz | anyone in there? |
| 18:17:41 | hardeep | where? |
| 18:18:13 | franz | inside my srcreen... |
| 18:18:50 | franz | hi hardeep... do you know why my sokoban not longer works? |
| 18:19:17 | hardeep | franz: what rockbox version are you using? |
| 18:19:42 | franz | pretty new... like 20030623 |
| 18:20:05 | Zagor | food time |
| 18:20:06 | hardeep | franz: update to latest. then make sure yo copy the levels.txt file to /.rockbox/sokoban |
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| 18:20:36 | franz | ahhh... it loads the levels... like it! where to get them? |
| 18:20:50 | hardeep | http://rockbox.haxx.se/levels.txt |
| 18:21:10 | franz | thanx maid! |
| 18:21:18 | hardeep | er, maid? |
| 18:21:43 | franz | yeah... i am in sydney... |
| 18:22:09 | hardeep | oh, laugh |
| 18:22:31 | franz | why is that funny? |
| 18:22:47 | hardeep | i was laughing at the maid=mate thing |
| 18:23:18 | franz | they are using it all the time here... it IS funny... |
| 18:23:27 | telliott | hardeep. is 030602-2113 the latest "dynamic playlist" version? |
| 18:24:01 | hardeep | telliott: uhm, i don't believe so. the latest version is always at hardeeps.freeshell.org/dynamic |
| 18:24:08 | hardeep | it's up to date with latest cvs |
| 18:24:15 | franz | btw - i saw a recorder20 lately in a shop here - they charge you 999$ AUD |
| 18:24:48 | hardeep | franz: fear, for a rec20? even with the exchange that's obscene |
| 18:25:08 | telliott | ok. I'll get the latest version. |
| 18:25:10 | hardeep | there selling for around $250 US nowadays |
| 18:25:26 | franz | 250 us - where? |
| 18:26:00 | hardeep | actually, amazon as it for $221.88 |
| 18:26:06 | hardeep | i'm sure you can find cheaper elsewhere |
| 18:26:37 | franz | i have it allready... baught it 1.5 years ago... 400Euro |
| 18:26:56 | hardeep | telliott: i haven't been sending mails to the mailing list but I've been keeping the patch up to date with latest cvs |
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| 18:27:29 | hardeep | telliott: plus bug fixes... the SF site has more info |
| 18:28:16 | telliott | ok. Thanks for your help with the dynamic playlist feature. I love the ability to just toiss a few folders into the mix at random. |
| 18:28:23 | telliott | toss |
| 18:32:18 | hardeep | hopefully it gets into the mainline soon. :) |
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| 18:42:27 | telliott | Is it possible to insert the current file/folder into the dynamic playlist with a long-press on play? |
| 18:47:38 | hardeep | telliott: certainly possible, but probably won't happen. That was the original way I had implemented queuing but it had been changed to the current ON+PLAY method |
| 18:50:38 | telliott | What;s the problem with long-play? I like having the menu opeions in on-play also. |
| 18:53:50 | hardeep | telliott: Zagor didn't really like the idea of time-based button presses |
| 18:54:14 | hardeep | telliott: if you do want to see it, post it as a feature request if/when this patch goes in |
| 18:54:42 | telliott | ok. |
| 18:56:50 | telliott | I guess you had the best solution since "time-based button presses" can be confusing, especially on the go. |
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| 19:15:30 | dionoea | the link in the sidenews.net sidebar is wrong. it should be something like http://rockbox.haxx.se/digest/digest.htm instead of .../digest/recent.htm |
| 19:15:49 | dionoea | btw, thanks for the great jobs u guys are doing |
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| 20:12:10 | Zagor | whee, tetris now runs as a plugin |
| 20:33:18 | Zagor | ugh, player icons are defined in the lcd driver. bueh! |
| 20:37:28 | Ctcp | Ignored 3 channel CTCP requests in 13 hours and 51 minutes at the last flood |
| 20:37:28 | * | Zagor draws a power plug icon |
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| 20:59:53 | Zagor | -rwxrwx−−- 1 bjst bjst 10628 Jun 28 20:51 plugins/tetris.rock |
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| 21:00:30 | Hes | Ooooh! |
| 21:01:08 | Hes | Awesome. |
| 21:02:16 | Zagor | i wonder where we should put them all? |
| 21:02:27 | Hes | .rockbox/rocks/ ? |
| 21:02:39 | Hes | That sounds nice when you put it that way. |
| 21:02:43 | Zagor | until the .rockbox browser patch is merged, putting them in .rockbox means people will have to turn on "show files: all" to run plugins |
| 21:02:51 | Zagor | really nice path, yes :-) |
| 21:03:38 | Zagor | otoh, just adding plugin_load("/.rockbox/rocks/tetris.rock") in the menu isn't too hard... |
| 21:03:54 | Hes | I'd guess it would be nice to scan the rocks directory and put the items in the menu dynamically |
| 21:04:18 | Zagor | yes. there's a patch to do that for .wps, .cfg and fonts etc. so this will fit right in. |
| 21:04:59 | Hes | maybe the rocks could contain some "readable name" identifier |
| 21:05:14 | Hes | which could be used in the menu instead of the filename |
| 21:06:05 | Zagor | or we just force people to name the rocks properly :) |
| 21:06:25 | Hes | Yeah. Getting the case right for short strings seems a bit hard on FAT, though. |
| 21:07:06 | Zagor | i'm also envisioning some sort of plugin registry, for things like file viewers. |
| 21:07:36 | Zagor | so there's a "view" entry in the on+play menu, which will give you a list of available viewers to use |
| 21:07:47 | Zagor | hex, text, image, id3 or whatever |
| 21:10:27 | Hes | That would make sense. |
| 21:10:45 | Hes | Did I tell you that I'm happy with rockbox stability with motorcycle now? |
| 21:11:25 | Hes | I think the hard disk read error handling code is quite ok at the moment, I did some extensive motorcycle driving suit testing during the last couple weeks |
| 21:11:44 | Hes | Went to barcelona and back in a couple weeks, I think I had two playback stops while driving which were not due to dead batteries. |
| 21:11:50 | Zagor | interesting. i can't think of anything special we've done to it... |
| 21:12:08 | Hes | One recovered after some 10-20 seconds, the other was probably because of no keylock and the pause button got pressed, and before I stopped the idle timer shut it off. |
| 21:12:19 | Hes | Thought it might be my new driving suit has a better pocket 8-) |
| 21:12:36 | Zagor | hehe |
| 21:12:47 | Hes | But I doubt that. It's just so much better with my hard disk than last summer. |
| 21:13:13 | Hes | And this was _heavy_ testing at various speeds, day-long drives, 5500 km. |
| 21:13:38 | Hes | I'm running CVS-030401. |
| 21:14:22 | Zagor | ok |
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| 21:22:06 | Lynx0 | Hi! |
| 21:23:30 | hardeep | hello |
| 21:24:26 | Lynx0 | Just got my recorder 20 today :-) |
| 21:25:03 | hardeep | Lynx0: nice, make sure you install rockbox :) |
| 21:25:19 | Lynx0 | already did, of course. |
| 21:25:28 | Lynx0 | and I already have a question.... |
| 21:25:51 | Lynx0 | what is the standard font? I changed it, and now can't recognize which one the standard one is... |
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| 21:27:08 | hardeep | Lynx0: rockbox_default.fnt |
| 21:27:41 | Lynx0 | hmm, mussed have missed that one...pretty self-explanatory ;-) |
| 21:41:27 | Lynx0 | Rockbox is really nice :) |
| 21:44:55 | Zagor | did you ever run the stock firmware? ;) |
| 21:47:02 | Lynx0 | Yes, for 5 minutes ;) |
| 21:47:24 | Zagor | hehe |
| 21:47:26 | Lynx0 | I only considered buying it after finding out about rockbox |
| 21:48:50 | Lynx0 | I don't think there's any other device out there that lets you use custom fonts... |
| 21:50:04 | Lynx0 | Is there a way to check what's in the queue? |
| 21:50:04 | Zagor | hehe, no that's a rather uncommon feature. the 19 supported languages too, and the configurable wps |
| 21:50:25 | Zagor | not really. joining the developer list is the only real way. |
| 21:50:35 | Lynx0 | yes, I'll have to look into the wps config later on |
| 21:51:01 | Lynx0 | sorry, i meant the queue rockbox queue, on the player |
| 21:51:09 | Zagor | you can of course look in the feature request list (http://rockbox.haxx.se/requests.shtml). many of those will happen sooner or later. |
| 21:51:14 | Zagor | oh :-) |
| 21:51:22 | Zagor | no, you can't look in that yet |
| 21:51:57 | Zagor | i expect with plugins a playlist viewer/editor will not be long |
| 21:52:27 | Lynx0 | plugins? are they supported now, or is that a feature to be implemented? |
| 21:52:34 | Zagor | i'm working on it right now |
| 21:53:11 | Lynx0 | cool. I wish I knew more about this kind of stuff. |
| 21:53:30 | Zagor | it's never too late to learn... |
| 21:53:56 | Lynx0 | Yes, but there's also never enough time ;) |
| 21:54:03 | Zagor | hehe, true |
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| 21:55:07 | Lynx0 | Does it matter if i keep the ajbrec.ajb file on the hd? Does take longer to boot if it has to load the firmware into rom? |
| 21:56:40 | Zagor | you have to keep it. it is loaded at every boot. |
| 21:57:31 | Lynx0 | Ah, I thought I read somewhere if it's not there the one in rom from last boot is used. |
| 21:58:06 | Zagor | yes, and the one in rom is archos' firmware. we never change the rom. |
| 21:58:53 | Lynx0 | Ok, that's how it works... |
| 21:58:59 | Zagor | yup |
| 21:59:47 | Zagor | there's an effort to explore the possibility of burning Rockbox into rom, but its only in the research stage yet |
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| 22:00:56 | Lynx0 | So the rom can be changed without taking the thing apart? Is that what the official firmware updates do? |
| 22:02:42 | Zagor | no, the official updates use the same method we do: a file on disk |
| 22:03:00 | Zagor | it appears most units can be reflashed without taking it apart. not all though. |
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| 22:06:42 | Lynx0 | Man, if only the firmware coders from companys were this responsive ... and competent |
| 22:07:51 | Zagor | well to be fair we don't have to make a profit |
| 22:08:50 | Zagor | wormlet is now a plugin too |
| 22:09:02 | Lynx0 | ok, but still. Some devices barely work because of the firmware. Like my NEC DVD burner... |
| 22:09:21 | Lynx0 | Umm, so it's a seperate file? |
| 22:09:32 | Zagor | yeah, i know. there's a line where bad firmware becomes bad for your business. |
| 22:09:54 | Zagor | right. i'm picking off the games and demos right now, extracting them into separate files called "rocks" |
| 22:10:14 | Zagor | it's a word joke: a box of rocks = rockbox |
| 22:10:44 | Lynx0 | And it's just a really bad feeling sitting there with some expensive hardware, which could be better through a few hours / days of coding, but the company just doesn't bother |
| 22:11:11 | Lynx0 | Let me guess, the ending is *.roc ? ;) |
| 22:11:21 | Zagor | no, *.rock |
| 22:11:41 | Lynx0 | Even better :) |
| 22:12:11 | Zagor | 11K Jun 28 21:45 tetris.rock |
| 22:12:16 | Zagor | 7.6K Jun 28 22:05 wormlet.rock |
| 22:13:08 | Lynx0 | With plugin support all kinds of features are probably going to appear. |
| 22:13:29 | Zagor | yeah, hopefully |
| 22:13:33 | Lynx0 | Is it known how widespread the studio/recorders are? |
| 22:13:50 | Zagor | not in exact numbers, but they are fairly common |
| 22:19:22 | Lynx0 | Well, thanks a lot! |
| 22:19:34 | Lynx0 | cu |
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| 22:21:31 | Hes | I'm writing a web-manageable version of my photo album browser so that my friends can upload their photos too... |
| 22:21:46 | Zagor | cool |
| 22:22:09 | Hes | they like the browsing interface but don't do enough unix to upload/rescale/edit php browser's config files 8-) |
| 22:22:56 | Zagor | get new friends ;-P |
| 22:24:43 | Hes | I enjoy non-hacker friends too 8-) especially friends that do music well |
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| 22:49:22 | nooby | Does anybody have pics that compare the size of the archos with an ipod or some other mp3 player? |
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| 22:50:50 | Lynx0 | hi again... |
| 22:50:59 | Lynx0 | I have another question :) |
| 22:51:29 | Lynx0 | What's this remote that's mentioned on the website? |
| 22:51:57 | Zagor | nooby: not that i know of |
| 22:52:16 | Zagor | Lynx0: it's a wired remote that goes between your headphones and the archos |
| 22:52:27 | Zagor | for players/recorders only. not fm recorder. |
| 22:52:40 | | Nick [IDC]Dragon|away is now known as [IDC]Dragon (~idc-drago@pD951270B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:52:49 | Lynx0 | Is it available from archos? |
| 22:52:58 | Zagor | yes, in their travel kit |
| 22:54:01 | Lynx0 | 35 euro? Hmm, thats a lot... |
| 22:54:20 | Zagor | yeah, they bundle it with a lot of gunk that few people want... |
| 22:54:41 | Lynx0 | Yes...damn, the remote would be really cool. I already missed that. |
| 22:56:57 | nooby | zagor:You're one of the main developers right? |
| 22:57:03 | Zagor | yes |
| 22:57:25 | nooby | what new features are you guys working on, i'm just curious |
| 22:57:45 | Zagor | i'm writing a plugin loading system right now |
| 22:58:17 | nooby | what would that be good for? |
| 22:59:12 | Zagor | it means all the extras such as games and demos etc will not take up space in ram but instead be loaded on demand |
| 22:59:26 | nooby | cool |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:04 | Zagor | it also means people can write stuff for rockbox more easily. you don't have to wait for us to merge it into the main rockbox source. |
| 23:00:18 | nooby | do you think there will ever be any support for any other codecs other than mp3? |
| 23:00:28 | Lynx0 | now the whole thing always goes into ram, right? |
| 23:01:40 | Zagor | yes |
| 23:01:44 | Zagor | nooby: no |
| 23:02:21 | Lynx0 | is the ram for the firmware the same, the 2 mb that are used for buffering? |
| 23:02:29 | Zagor | yes |
| 23:03:13 | Lynx0 | so, it would theoretically be possible to use 1 mb ram, althought battery life would go down by half? |
| 23:03:26 | Zagor | Lynx0: exactly |
| 23:03:55 | Lynx0 | how much ram does the current version use? |
| 23:04:06 | nooby | but if you do that 8mb ram upgrade, how much extra battery life do you get |
| 23:04:41 | Zagor | about 30% extra is what I've heard |
| 23:05:12 | Zagor | or maybe it was a bit more, but as far as I remember it didn't even double the time |
| 23:05:26 | Zagor | i haven't tried it myself |
| 23:06:16 | Lynx0 | 10 hours is enough for me, I think. |
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| 23:08:40 | | Join Triple-z [0] (~Bo@212.199.218.194.forward.012.net.il) |
| 23:10:01 | Triple-z | sup lads? |
| 23:10:25 | Zagor | i'm having a very strange bug in my new plugin loader |
| 23:10:42 | Zagor | rockbox->lcd_puts() works, *most* of the time! |
| 23:12:02 | Lynx0 | cu guys... |
| 23:12:16 | | Quit Lynx0 () |
| 23:14:39 | [IDC]Dragon | Any MAS expert around? |
| 23:14:48 | Zagor | i need linus' gdb-enabled recorder... |
| 23:15:03 | [IDC]Dragon | I have one. |
| 23:15:24 | Zagor | feel like helping find a plugin problem? |
| 23:15:55 | Triple-z | anyone know if there is a cue file support in the future? |
| 23:16:04 | [IDC]Dragon | Dunno if I can, gdb is unreliable for me under Windows. |
| 23:16:10 | Zagor | ok |
| 23:16:20 | Zagor | Triple-z: only if someone writes it :-) |
| 23:16:24 | [IDC]Dragon | What do you wanna test? |
| 23:17:07 | Zagor | i have a very wierd problem: in wormlet, the text is shown on the first screen (pre-play) but not on the second screen (in game) |
| 23:17:18 | Zagor | it's the same function |
| 23:17:31 | [IDC]Dragon | How could I help? |
| 23:17:59 | Zagor | setting a breakpoint at the address of the call and see what is passed to it |
| 23:18:17 | [IDC]Dragon | OK, can try that. |
| 23:18:27 | Zagor | ok, i'll fix a tarball |
| 23:18:38 | [IDC]Dragon | Is there a way to disable much of those traces? |
| 23:19:02 | | Part Triple-z |
| 23:19:02 | [IDC]Dragon | That seems to flood gdb under Windows. |
| 23:19:35 | Zagor | yes, comment out DEBUGF and LDEBUGF in firmware/export/debug.h |
| 23:22:35 | nooby | in what language (c, c++) is rockbox compiled under |
| 23:22:49 | Zagor | nooby: mostly c with some parts in assembler |
| 23:26:17 | nooby | thanks |
| 23:26:19 | | Quit nooby ("Leaving") |
| 23:28:24 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: http://rockbox.haxx.se/test/plugintest.tar.gz |
| 23:29:33 | Zagor | build it from your normal build dir, copy the .ajz and the .rock files to your archos. |
| 23:29:36 | [IDC]Dragon | Got it. |
| 23:29:54 | [IDC]Dragon | Is it a debug build? |
| 23:30:16 | Zagor | boot the new ajz and select tetris.rock, then ^C your gdb and set a breakpoint on lcd_puts. then continue gdb and press play on the archos |
| 23:30:38 | Zagor | it's a source tree, just apps and firmware |
| 23:30:59 | Zagor | make a new build dir as normal |
| 23:32:57 | [IDC]Dragon | OK, please standby... |
| 23:35:27 | [IDC]Dragon | Should I configure the makefile for games and demos? (need some space for debug build) |
| 23:35:40 | Zagor | no you can skip those |
| 23:38:45 | [IDC]Dragon | I get a build error in the plugin dir |
| 23:39:14 | [IDC]Dragon | make[2]: Entering directory `/home/Jörg/rockbox_plugin/apps/plugins' |
| 23:39:14 | [IDC]Dragon | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `1'. Stop. |
| 23:39:14 | [IDC]Dragon | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/Jörg/rockbox_plugin/apps/plugins' |
| 23:39:14 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK [IDC]Dragon |
| 23:39:14 | [IDC]Dragon | make[1]: *** [rocks] Error 2 |
| 23:39:14 | [IDC]Dragon | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/Jörg/rockbox_plugin/apps' |
| 23:39:14 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 23:39:14 | [IDC]Dragon | make: *** [apps] Error 2 |
| 23:39:29 | Zagor | target "1"?? |
| 23:39:34 | Zagor | weird |
| 23:40:07 | [IDC]Dragon | there's no such file |
| 23:41:23 | [IDC]Dragon | is ../tools/cofigure still OK for your new stuff? |
| 23:41:27 | Zagor | yes |
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| 23:43:35 | Zagor | there's no such file and no such target. quite odd. |
| 23:44:55 | [IDC]Dragon | how about a package including your object code? |
| 23:45:01 | Zagor | ok |
| 23:47:56 | Zagor | ah, found the error. in apps/Makefile the rocks: target has a command line which include $(DEBUG) alone. it should be: DEBUG=$(DEBUG) |
| 23:49:15 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 23:49:30 | Zagor | that should fix your build |
| 23:50:13 | [IDC]Dragon | Yes. |
| 23:50:19 | [IDC]Dragon | (it did) |
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| 23:51:58 | [IDC]Dragon | Let's see if I have to disable the traces... |
| 23:53:24 | [IDC]Dragon | Hmm, freezes after the splash screen, gdb hangs. I'll try without. |
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