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#rockbox log for 2003-08-14

00:00:16Empeethreeive been through all the requests everything seems covered
00:00:29midknight2k3what?
00:00:38midknight2k3can you code?
00:00:52Empeethreeno but I may work on some fonts
00:01:14midknight2k3can you pot over Verdana to rockbox?
00:01:20Empeethreeno
00:01:39 Quit Empeethree ("Leaving")
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00:02:02Empeethreesorry clicked the X by mistake
00:02:45 Join Dyne [0] (jirc@209-122-68-195.c3-0.atw-ubr1.atw.pa.cable.rcn.com)
00:03:09DyneHey guys, I just wanted to say Keep up the good work with the firmware for the recorder.....
00:03:36midknight2k3I'm sure Zagor is very welcome :)
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00:04:14Dyne=)
00:04:15BoD[]yo
00:04:15Empeethreeoh yea ive heard of him
00:04:24midknight2k3hey bod
00:05:13DyneOne thing I wanted to ask about though, Is There a way I can stiffen the buttons...they are a little loose...
00:05:29midknight2k3not really, Dyne
00:05:34midknight2k3they're just like that
00:05:48Empeethreea bit of Blu Tack may help
00:05:54DyneI mean My on and Off buttons wiggle left and right really badly...
00:05:59midknight2k3yeah
00:06:02midknight2k3mine did too
00:06:06Dyneand they randomly get pressed as well
00:06:08midknight2k3can't really fix it
00:06:19Empeethreeget some blue-tack
00:06:44DyneI guess I need to void the warranty now.. ;o)
00:06:58midknight2k3bluetack?
00:07:25EmpeethreeCan the Player have fonts as long as the letters fit within the character matrix?
00:07:49midknight2k3no, emeethreee
00:07:52midknight2k3oops
00:07:53midknight2k3sorry
00:07:57midknight2k3empeethree
00:08:02Empeethreeoh ok
00:08:03midknight2k3tricky nickname
00:08:20Empeethreejust call me MP3 for short
00:08:29midknight2k3ok
00:09:46Empeethreewho the hell is this track guy??
00:09:52Empeethreehe has sent a truckload of requests
00:10:10midknight2k3tracktheripper?
00:10:13midknight2k3hahaha
00:10:16midknight2k3bogus requests
00:10:18Empeethreeyea summat like that
00:10:27Empeethreesome of them are very amusing
00:10:39midknight2k3some of the better ones are "put an end to the iraqi crisis" "sdd" "tea maker" and "mpeg viewer"
00:10:47midknight2k3oh yeah
00:10:48Empeethreeoh ok
00:10:50midknight2k3when he comes in
00:10:54midknight2k3ask him
00:10:58midknight2k3to show you funny requests
00:11:02midknight2k3he is happy to
00:11:08midknight2k3they're hilarious someof them
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00:12:38tracktheripperhello
00:12:51midknight2k3wait a second.
00:12:53 Quit Dyne (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
00:13:06midknight2k3YOU LITTLE.
00:13:32midknight2k3yo−− it−−- AR−− sh−− gd−−-!
00:13:42midknight2k3I HATE YOU
00:13:58Empeethreehey calm down midknight2k3
00:14:18midknight2k3hey tracktheripper
00:14:26midknight2k3Empeethree is jirc@ACB9EE15.ipt.aol.com * JPilot jIRC applet User
00:14:27midknight2k3Empeethree on #rockbox
00:14:27midknight2k3Empeethree using irc.freenode.net http://freenode.net/
00:14:27DBUGEnqueued KICK midknight2k3
00:14:27midknight2k3Empeethree has been idle 2mins 10secs, signed on Wed Aug 13 14:55:49
00:14:27midknight2k3Empeethree End of /WHOIS list.
00:14:27***Alert Mode level 1
00:14:27midknight2k3-
00:14:28tracktheripperhello mid
00:14:29midknight2k3tracktheripper is jirc@ACB9EE15.ipt.aol.com * JPilot jIRC applet User
00:14:31midknight2k3tracktheripper on #rockbox
00:14:33midknight2k3tracktheripper using irc.freenode.net http://freenode.net/
00:14:35midknight2k3tracktheripper has been idle 31secs, signed on Wed Aug 13 15:05:50
00:14:37midknight2k3tracktheripper End of /WHOIS list
00:14:39midknight2k3 Empeethree is jirc@ACB9EE15.ipt.aol.com * JPilot jIRC applet User
00:14:43midknight2k3tracktheripper is jirc@ACB9EE15.ipt.aol.com * JPilot jIRC applet
00:14:51midknight2k3 jirc@ACB9EE15.ipt.aol.com
00:15:35Empeethreeanyway hardeep ill look at the font section
00:15:58midknight2k3not a good idea, trackie
00:16:09tracktheripperwhy not
00:16:27midknight2k3will you want the redzone?
00:16:28EmpeethreeI like the idea of a digital font
00:16:38tracktheripperyea please mid
00:16:44midknight2k3say it
00:17:08tracktheripper???
00:17:12tracktheripperyes please mid
00:17:20midknight2k3say that you want the redzone
00:17:31midknight2k3say that youll like having the redzone
00:17:48tracktheripperI like having the redzoney
00:18:03Empeethreewhats happening?
00:18:41midknight2k3the redzone is delayed is all
00:18:45midknight2k3very delayed
00:18:52tracktheripperoh okk
00:19:02Empeethreeanyway midknight pleased to meet you
00:19:39midknight2k3right
00:19:44midknight2k3pleased to meet tracktheripper"?
00:19:46midknight2k3why?
00:19:48midknight2k3I'
00:19:53Empeethreedon't really know him
00:19:54midknight2k3I've met you before
00:19:57Empeethreelike i said im new here
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00:21:05 Quit TotMacher (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
00:21:22midknight2k3empeethree
00:21:25Empeethreenow look what u done u frightened him off
00:21:32midknight2k3can you please stop playing games and come back as track?
00:21:38midknight2k3now look what you done
00:21:40midknight2k3you left
00:22:45EmpeethreeI unfortunatly have a Player
00:22:46Empeethree:-(
00:22:53midknight2k3sure
00:23:01midknight2k3tell me this empeethree
00:23:16midknight2k3when it boots up do you see a rockbox logo or just letters?
00:23:24Empeethreerockbox logo
00:23:34midknight2k3sorry sir
00:23:37midknight2k3you are track
00:23:41midknight2k3it is only letters that show up
00:23:52Empeethreei know i was just kidding you
00:24:03midknight2k3ok
00:24:05midknight2k3how about this
00:24:10midknight2k3credits
00:24:14midknight2k3do they scroll or jump?
00:24:28***Alert Mode OFF
00:24:30Empeethreethey jump
00:24:57midknight2k3ok
00:25:02midknight2k3and how about the battery meter?
00:25:09midknight2k3steps or single?
00:25:13Empeethreesteps
00:25:59midknight2k3what are the options for auto volume?
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00:26:26midknight2k3zagor do not be fooled
00:26:27Empeethreenone on the Player
00:26:38midknight2k3empeethree is tracktheripper
00:26:44midknight2k3bass boost?
00:27:13Zagornone
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00:29:04midknight2k3OHO
00:29:06midknight2k3you fool me again
00:29:21midknight2k3TELL ME THIS.
00:29:27midknight2k3never mind
00:29:30midknight2k3i giv eup
00:29:36midknight2k3i hate tracktheripper now
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00:30:05***Alert Mode level 1
00:30:05DBUGEnqueued KICK Empeethree
00:30:05DBUGEnqueued KICK Zagor
00:30:05***Alert Mode level 2
00:30:05DBUGEnqueued KICK Bagder
00:30:05DBUGEnqueued KICK LinusN
00:30:05***Alert Mode level 3
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00:30:16midknight2k3dammit track
00:30:18midknight2k3stop
00:30:30midknight2k3don't steal other people's nicks
00:30:46midknight2k3Zagor was never here and people this he was
00:30:53midknight2k3i should have you banned for this
00:31:48Empeethreeanyway wiv reference to the Player
00:31:54Empeethreeit can't display a peak meter
00:32:07midknight2k3anyway wiv hate to tracktheripper
00:32:14midknight2k3anyone with half a brain knows that
00:33:31Empeethreewhere u from mid?
00:33:33midknight2k3i so want to punch in your face right now
00:35:07Empeethreecalm down
00:35:16midknight2k3yes great idea
00:35:20midknight2k3i will leave for a bit
00:36:35Empeethreesorry mid
00:36:40Empeethreeim trying to shake off something
00:36:52midknight2k3what is that?
00:36:57Empeethreeimage
00:36:58Empeethreeof
00:37:00Empeethreettr
00:37:18midknight2k3tell me why please?
00:37:31Empeethreebecause
00:37:34Empeethreejust because
00:38:12midknight2k3them funny requests?
00:38:16Empeethreeit would help if you wern't so obsessed with IP addresses
00:38:29midknight2k3it would help if you would not do this
00:39:28Empeethree?
00:39:57midknight2k3it would help if you would next time admit it and not please act like it's someone else
00:40:00midknight2k3either way
00:40:06***Alert Mode OFF
00:40:08midknight2k3stay with tracktheripper
00:40:22Empeethreeno I won't
00:40:33midknight2k3well i won't like it
00:42:39Empeethreeok
00:43:08midknight2k3apart from thema ll knowing it is going to be you i liked the old name and old persona better
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00:44:10tracktheripperoi
00:44:22midknight2k3aha
00:44:27midknight2k3i feel angered now
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00:45:35 Quit joshn ()
00:46:02midknight2k3track
00:46:12midknight2k3did you ever consider downloading mirc?
00:46:18midknight2k3it's alot better then jirc
00:46:23tracktheripperno
00:48:45mosdefnetthis has probably been asked many times already, but are there any plans for AV300 haxx
00:48:57midknight2k3nope
00:49:01midknight2k3sorry
00:49:10mosdefnetthanx
00:49:38mosdefnetmay i ask why? is it not possible?
00:49:40midknight2k3np
00:49:44midknight2k3well
00:49:47midknight2k3it is possible
00:50:00midknight2k3but it is very different from the players and recorders
00:50:05midknight2k3different cpu and such
00:50:18midknight2k3and it would be started from scratch if it were done
00:50:23midknight2k3which it won't be sorry
00:51:52tracktheripper"read .zip files"
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01:00
01:03:56midknight2k3hmm
01:04:32BoD[]bye
01:04:34BoD[]sleep
01:04:40midknight2k3bye
01:04:43midknight2k3seeya
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01:15:30midknight2k3Linus!
01:15:42midknight2k3And it's no fake linus either
01:15:45midknight2k3hello hello
01:16:45LinusNhi
01:16:52LinusNfake?
01:17:12midknight2k3tracktheripper was.. well he was coming in as Bagder, Zagor and LinusN
01:17:19midknight2k3and he was also one Empeethree
01:17:35LinusNoh
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01:18:44LinusNback from vacation
01:18:49midknight2k3yay
01:18:53midknight2k3we missed you
01:19:02LinusN"downloading message 4 of 2082"
01:19:09midknight2k3lol
01:19:33LinusNthank god i have a good set of filters
01:20:34midknight2k3is that new set of sound filter things coming along?
01:20:38midknight2k3the clip preventors?
01:21:55LinusNno, mail filters
01:22:25midknight2k3i meant the thing that checks the settings and makes sure that they won't clip
01:22:56LinusNah, no, i haven't worked any more on that
01:23:17LinusNhaven't hacked much rockbox at all
01:23:32midknight2k3that's and odd term
01:23:37midknight2k3hacking your own project :)
01:24:00LinusNbut i am working on frame-accurate splitting in recording mode plus retro-recording
01:24:29midknight2k3cool
01:24:32midknight2k3retro recording
01:24:38midknight2k3can it be more than 30s?
01:24:41joshnlinus, I have a question
01:24:55LinusNyes, but not much more
01:25:08LinusNnot on the highest quality level
01:25:12joshnI'm porting Rockbox to another player, but the bootloader doesn't copy the code from flash to dram.
01:25:15LinusNjoshn: shoot
01:25:40LinusNah, we spoke a while ago about that didn't we?
01:25:40joshnI don't know assembler to know how to do it.\
01:25:43joshnyes
01:25:49joshnI finally got the player
01:26:00midknight2k3joshn
01:26:03midknight2k3which player?
01:26:06LinusNwhich player is that
01:26:08LinusN?
01:26:13joshnthe NEO55
01:26:17joshnhttp://www.neomp3.com.tw/index1.htm
01:26:45joshnhardware-wise, it's almost exactly like their portable jukebox
01:26:56midknight2k3wow
01:26:57joshnadds an am/fm tuner and a car amp
01:27:13joshnit's also almost identical to the Archos recorder
01:27:18joshnexcept no recording
01:27:42LinusNhardware info?
01:28:07joshnsame CPU, mpeg chips, dram, etc.
01:28:20LinusNnoce
01:28:20joshndifferent LCD, but I wrote code for that
01:28:26LinusNnice
01:28:37joshndifferent tuner, I think, but I haven't got that far :-)
01:28:40LinusNhow does it load the firmware?
01:29:07joshnit's a lot like the flashing that [IDC]Dragon did
01:29:30joshnit has a bootloader that is in another flash chip
01:29:40joshnso you can load bogus firmware, and recover
01:30:12joshnI think the firmware is resposible for copying itself to DRAM, but LCD, etc. is already init
01:30:34LinusNso you need to flash it
01:30:37joshnyes
01:30:56joshnyou hold down a certain key on boot, which brings up the flash util
01:31:07joshnit looks for a file called "neo55.bin
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01:31:11joshnin root
01:31:17LinusNsounds easy
01:31:22joshnthe bin file is unscrambled
01:31:25joshnit is
01:32:22joshnthe problem is that I haven't set up an RS232 connection yet, so I have to pull out the HDD and copy in the file every time I change the firmware
01:32:45LinusNoh
01:32:55joshnwould also like to set up gdb or something like that, but that can come later...
01:32:57LinusNbut you want to run from RAM
01:33:12joshnI think that's best...?
01:33:35joshnis it faster to access DRAM than the flash, or not?
01:33:53joshnIf there's no advantage, I don't really care.
01:34:27joshnBTW, I do have the .h and .o files for the old firmware.
01:34:30LinusNit depends on the flash of course
01:35:09joshnthere are two chips, an SST 39VF040,
01:35:24joshnand an EliteMT M11L16161A
01:35:36joshnthe archos has the SST, doesn't it?
01:36:24joshnoh, and I have the schematics
01:36:50LinusNyes, archos has the sst
01:37:13LinusNok, so what do you need from me?
01:37:49joshnIs it worth it to copy the code into DRAM?
01:38:07LinusNprobably
01:38:26LinusNyou can of course do a benchmark to prove it
01:38:31joshnI don't know assembler, so I don't know how to set it up to copy the code in
01:40:08LinusNok, your firmware is started by the boot loader, right?
01:40:16joshnthat's right
01:40:29joshnI can get you a copy of the original firmware, if you want...
01:40:37LinusNno need
01:40:40joshnok
01:41:22LinusNi assume that the boot loader moves the vector table pointer and jumps to your reset vector?
01:41:37joshnyeah
01:41:58joshnor to the boot vector...
01:42:11joshnthere is a boot vector and a reset vector, right?
01:42:18joshnit's the first one
01:42:33LinusNgood
01:43:26LinusNthen we need to write a position independent piece that copies the code to RAM and executes it
01:43:31LinusNshould be pretty easy
01:43:43joshnok, if you say so... :-)
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01:44:49LinusNsend me an email to linus at haxx.se and i'll reply to it with the code
01:44:58joshnok, thanks alot
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01:45:59midknight2k3Linus: rockbox started by taking the ajbrec.ajz, turning it into a bin file and then what?
01:46:15midknight2k3after the bin file was produced what did you do?
01:46:16LinusNmidknight2k3: huh?
01:46:48midknight2k3what does a bin file do for you? is it encrypted? is it all the code?
01:46:53LinusNaha
01:47:17LinusNwell, we started with examining the hardware to find out which CPU it had
01:47:54LinusNthen we knew what to look for when trying to crack the scrambling algorithm
01:49:18LinusNwhen that was done, we disassembled parts of the archos firmware to find out how the hardware ws designed
01:50:58midknight2k3halt pls
01:51:16midknight2k3how did you disasssemble?
01:52:22LinusNusing the sh2d tool
01:52:45midknight2k3which takes an ajbrec.ajz and makes it a bin filoe?
01:52:53midknight2k3or does it start with a bin file?
01:53:49LinusNit takes a bin file
01:54:05LinusNsh2d is a generic SH disassembler
01:54:19midknight2k3bin file turns into what?
01:54:34LinusNinto a text file with the assembler code
01:55:36joshnLinus: I just sent you an email
01:55:37midknight2k3i guess where i am going with this is, if the rio riot firmware was an exe and i got the bin file from it, what would go from there? sh2d would disassemble/decrypt it?
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01:56:48LinusNmidknight2k3: yes, if it has a sh1 CPU
01:57:11midknight2k3hmmm
02:00
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02:26:52midknight2k3Linus, can you code the redzone on hte peak meteR?
02:27:30LinusNi could, but i don't see the point
02:27:41midknight2k3why not?
02:27:55midknight2k3it helps for recording-if there's a menu option it's more than great
02:29:19LinusNfirst of all, how do you define the "red zone"?
02:29:28Plugh0db mark
02:29:31Plughfor recording
02:29:44midknight2k3well originally it was going to be 20pixels from edge of screen
02:29:50midknight2k3more or less to taste
02:30:03midknight2k3but now i am thinking it should be set up so it works in dbfs and linear
02:30:06midknight2k3is that hard?
02:30:13Plughyou want to set the level such that it isn't overdriven but also isn't too low
02:30:19midknight2k3so it is basically saying inver video for last 15db or so
02:31:02midknight2k3but if it is simpler, 15pixels from screen edge is good i guess
02:31:14LinusNas long as you don't hit the top, you should be safe
02:31:27midknight2k3"hit the top"?
02:31:43midknight2k3of the red zone?
02:32:14midknight2k3the main point is to have the level between just under and just over the red zone (aka on the red line)
02:32:23midknight2k3or maybe reaching in
02:32:36midknight2k3i realy don't know as i havent tested it yet lol
02:33:54LinusNok, i see what you mean now
02:34:05midknight2k3makes more sense?
02:34:21midknight2k3it's supposed to be useful, not just some "neat" function
02:34:42midknight2k3(for more info on NEAT functions, read icr logs of last week where i tried to get Zagor to make the red led into a kyeypress indicator)
02:34:55midknight2k3:D
02:41:21midknight2k3so what's the verdict, linus?
02:41:50LinusNdid you file a feature request?
02:41:59midknight2k3tracktheripper did
02:42:05midknight2k3a few months ago
02:42:14midknight2k3Zagor seems to think it is useless
02:42:18midknight2k3no help there
02:42:21midknight2k3Bagder as well i think
02:42:27midknight2k3so Linus is the only hope
02:43:28LinusNhehe, i too think it't pretty useless, but it also seems pretty easy to do
02:43:49midknight2k3i was trying to do it myself
02:43:52midknight2k3earhurts helped
02:43:55midknight2k3like a tutorial
02:44:06midknight2k3but it got delayed and never happened :(
02:44:30midknight2k3i did all the defining but telling it to draw the redzone just never happened
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02:52:59FamaCeloxhello
02:53:04Plughhiya
02:53:09midknight2k3hi
02:53:32FamaCeloxanyone mind if i ask a question ...
02:53:40Plughyou can always ask
02:53:47midknight2k3yes
02:53:50midknight2k3what plug said
02:53:53midknight2k3:)
02:54:00Plughworst we can do is shun you, hunt you down, and shave your dog
02:54:05FamaCeloxcool - i usually lurk in a new irc for a while before chiming in ....
02:55:06FamaCeloxi have a jb20 that says it's charging but, in fact, drains the batts - archos tech said the rectifier has to be replaced ... sound valid?
02:55:48LinusNyes
02:56:05FamaCelox<hiding the dog in the closet>
02:56:19Plughthe unit is always working off the batteries
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02:56:36Plughso if it thinks it's charging, it'll go to charge mode
02:57:19Plughbut if the regulator is fried, it won't actually be feeding the batteries power, and the unit wouldn't know about it
02:57:52Plughdid you do something weird like reverse the polarity on the charger or use one that didn't come with the unit?
02:58:35FamaCeloxah - - i have an extra motherboard, can i unsolder the rectifier from that one - if so, do you know how to identify it?
02:59:07Plughit's usually a rectangular device with a hole in it and 3-4 leads
02:59:27Plughdunno about the one in the Archos units though
02:59:27FamaCeloxhmmm .... brb ...
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03:00:21midknight2k3well
03:00:28midknight2k3if you mean a computer motherboard...
03:00:29midknight2k3lol
03:00:45midknight2k3they don't have the same type of rectifier as an archos
03:00:52midknight2k3not usually
03:01:06LinusNthe rectifier that usually dies is a IR7416
03:01:20Plughcomputers generally use the power supply for rectification
03:01:23LinusNhttp://www.funmp3players.com/forum/Topic.asp?topic_id=6396&forum_id=8&Topic_Title=Fried%2BChip%2Bduring%2Bcharging&forum_title=General+%2D+Jukebox+Player%2FRecorder
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03:02:00*Plugh introduces Linus to tinyurl.com. http://tinyurl.com/jym9
03:02:48midknight2k3lol
03:02:58*LinusN doesn't like tiny urls
03:03:07midknight2k3ooh
03:03:15midknight2k3he told you ;)
03:03:53PlughI don't like long ones ;)
03:04:09midknight2k3they can be violated
03:04:44midknight2k3like the above
03:04:53midknight2k3but a 5 instead of a nine is something an apple store
03:04:57midknight2k3and a 4 is something else
03:05:00midknight2k3too insecure
03:05:20Plughwindows IRC clients suck. They make people inconsiderate of console users
03:05:45midknight2k3how?
03:05:51FamaCeloxi was looking for the jb20 motherboard i replaced a couple of months back ...
03:05:53Plughso people will paste these HUGE urls and expect everyone in the world to simply click on it to bring it up in their browser
03:06:08midknight2k3lol
03:06:09Plughbut people like me need to copy and paste the link into a browser
03:06:11midknight2k3hahahhahaa
03:06:24midknight2k3watch me carefully
03:06:28midknight2k3click click
03:06:30midknight2k3tada!
03:06:32midknight2k3watch you
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03:06:48midknight2k3Click, drag, unclick, right click, copy, click, click, right click, paste, enter
03:07:01Plughhuh?
03:07:10midknight2k3to copy and paste
03:07:13midknight2k3there are simpler ways
03:07:14Plughwhen I highlight something, it's immediately in the paste buffer
03:07:18midknight2k3but that is the typical way
03:07:19midknight2k3:D
03:07:23Plughand I don't use the mouse to paste
03:07:26Plughctrl-v
03:07:26midknight2k3paste buffer
03:07:32Plughor shift-insert
03:07:34midknight2k3you sound like you use rockbox
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03:09:18Plughbut this is also me. Close window, drive home, open window, enter login/pass, screen -r -d, and TA-DA! Right where I left off in IRC. Then I just scroll back a little to catch up on what I missed during the drive
03:09:25FamaCeloxplugh> the archos tech told me that their power supply puts out 14v and the rectifier drops it to 9v, I had the unit connected to a radio shack 12v car lighter adapter set @ 12v / 3amps for a long time .... if the rectifier went, I think it just went cause of age ...
03:09:47Plughage and too much current :)
03:09:52midknight2k3PLUGH
03:09:54midknight2k3this is also me
03:10:13Plughtoo much effort. Two open clients
03:10:15midknight2k3open browser, click "rockbox irc-current" and read
03:10:26Plughoh
03:10:32PlughWAY too much effort
03:10:36midknight2k3Ta DA!
03:10:38midknight2k3OH YES
03:10:41midknight2k3WAY TOO MUCH
03:10:58midknight2k3as opposed to opening and typing, click a button is way harder
03:11:01midknight2k3f;ozdfjzkdfjvzlkdjg
03:11:09Plughhow many channels do you keep an eye on through the day? ;)
03:11:16midknight2k3err
03:11:17midknight2k3one
03:11:19midknight2k3:D
03:11:23Plugh8
03:11:25Plugh;)
03:11:25midknight2k3guess which
03:11:37Plugherm... #hotchat?
03:11:44midknight2k3yay
03:12:42midknight2k3there is no one at hotchat\
03:12:44midknight2k3GRRR
03:12:58PlughI have, in one program in one window, connections to 3 IRC nets, one silc net, and an AIM/IRC gateway
03:13:17midknight2k3aim?
03:13:30midknight2k3may i spam you through aim?
03:13:49Plugh2 channels on efnet, 1 on alternet, 1 on freenode, 2 on Silc...
03:13:52Plughsure
03:13:55PlughPlughHome
03:14:13Plughbet I can spam you more than you can spam me ;)
03:14:18midknight2k3no way
03:14:20midknight2k3its on
03:14:49AciD`hi midknight2k3
03:14:59AciD`got ur redzone working ? :)
03:15:52Plugh18:11 <@IMServ> You're sending too fast! Slow down! We've been given a limit
03:15:53Plugh warning.
03:15:53Plugh18:11 <@IMServ> Wait 5 seconds before sending anything.
03:15:54DBUGEnqueued KICK Plugh
03:15:54PlughHAHA
03:15:58midknight2k3lol
03:16:01midknight2k3i am waiting
03:16:06midknight2k3then i can get back to work
03:16:45midknight2k3please no!
03:16:46midknight2k3lol
03:16:51midknight2k3i wont spam anymore
03:17:02Plughwoot
03:17:09midknight2k3grr
03:17:09Plughspammed myself off the net
03:17:17midknight2k3are you for real?
03:19:13midknight2k3PLUGH
03:19:18midknight2k3please come back onm
03:20:52Plughcoming... hold please
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06:10:48GuestHi, everybody - is anybody in?
06:10:58MThello
06:11:36Guesthi. i need a little help with the flashing of rockbox - if you would be as kind as to ablige?
06:11:44MTsure
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06:12:01MTwhat model do you have?
06:12:11Guestthanks - ok, you knwo on the website it says to make a .bin file from the .ajz file?
06:12:19Guestwell, i did that fine, and now i am on the next step
06:12:33MTmm, those instructions are really for developers
06:12:34Guestbut i want to know what exactly it means by "uclpack −−2e −−best rockbox.bin rockbox.ucl"
06:12:38MTend users dont need to do that
06:12:48MTgrab the flash pack from ..
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06:13:18Guestyes, i know - but i want to flash a patch file that hasnt been added to the CVS yet
06:13:31MTaha
06:13:41Guestthey gave me the .ajz file, and now i want to make it into a .ucl file
06:13:46MTso whats your development enviroment, unix or windows?
06:13:57Guestwindows
06:14:31MTin the download of the flash stuff from jorgs site
06:14:36Guestanyways - i was wondering if you could tell me what exactly it is asking me to do when it says "uclpack −−2e −−best rockbox.bin rockbox.ucl"
06:14:38MTtheres a uclpack binary
06:14:45Guestwhat ois the 2e part?
06:14:54MTits the algorithm
06:15:34Guesthmm - ok, so what i should type in the command promtp is what?
06:15:44MTuclpack −−2e −−best rockbox.bin rockbox.ucl
06:16:03Guestok, and thats it then?
06:16:15Guestjust put in the path for the two files, and i am done?>
06:16:26MTyep assuming youve installed the uclpack binary
06:16:48Guestok, cool - let me give it a try
06:19:34Guestcool - it created the file - im goign to test i out now
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06:23:03RoentgenYo, anyone ever have their archos' batteries die on them?
06:23:15MTdefine die
06:23:23MTive run them down to zero many many times
06:23:36Guesthey, i tried to run the ucl file in the jukebox, but it said "incompatible version", i then tried to run the rockbox.flash file in the.rockbox directory, and it had the same message
06:23:52MTokay
06:24:01RoentgenWhat i'm trying to get at is that when I plug my archos in or try to turn it on it won't make it
06:24:02Guestbut the file i am trying is from 8-11
06:24:10RoentgenIt'll start clicking and then quit
06:24:14MTload the ajbrec.ajz that you made the flash image from
06:24:19RoentgenI'm not sure if it is the hard drive or the batteries
06:24:26Guestok
06:24:31Guestand then what?
06:24:34MTand copy the rocks over from that version
06:24:37MTand try to flash
06:24:44Guestoh, ok
06:24:48MTi actually have a flash image i cant flash either :)
06:24:50MTvery annoying
06:24:51MT;p
06:26:23RoentgenHave you run your batteries down to the point where they can't be recharged?
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06:31:37Guesthey, it worked - thanks alot for your help
06:31:48Guesti really appreciate it!
06:32:38MTno o~Roentgen
06:32:44MTnever had that
06:33:37Roentgenok I'm just hoping the hard drive didn't fail or anything
06:34:04RoentgenI'm going to purchase some new batteries then and if that don't fix it Ill freeze the damn thing
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07:39:53GuestHello, i have a question - what does the "ask once" in the resume playback mean?
07:43:32Guesti read in the manual, that it erases the resume information if u say no -does this mean that if you say no once, it will not resume again untill you change the settings to "ask", or "yes"
07:44:07Guestis anyone here?
07:44:32PsycoXulno just that it won't resume till you give it a new resume point
07:44:32PsycoXulafaik
07:44:59PsycoXuli.e play something again
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07:45:55MiChAeLoLwhat happened to the site?
07:46:27MiChAeLoLwas down a while ago
07:47:01adi|homeguest you still around?
07:47:08adi|homei hacked out that feature
07:47:12Guestoh, yes sorry, one second
07:47:22adi|homebasically.. if you quit and have resume on.. it continues asking...
07:47:27adi|homeeverytime you reboot..
07:47:37Guestright
07:47:45adi|homewith ask once.. it does just that.. it only asks the next time you reboot
07:47:55adi|homeeither way it doesn't ask again
07:48:15Guestso if i turn on, and then it asks and i say no
07:48:26Guestthen i reboot, and then it will ask me or not?
07:50:44adi|homeno.. it wont ask you again
07:50:47adi|homethus the once
07:51:09Guestbut if i play something different, and then reboot - it will ask me
07:51:29adi|homeyes
07:51:39Guestok, i understand now. it seems like a good feature
07:52:31adi|home:)
07:52:37adi|homei liked it.. thats why i added it :)
07:53:20Guestlol, ok, thanks for your help!
07:53:36adi|homenp :)
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10:08:01adi|homeanyone familiar with the jackpot.rock?
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10:47:11adi|homewtf.. my batteries go from 9, to 95 on reboot.. then back to 9 after another reboot
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15:46:43LouCapohey everyone
15:47:08LouCapoanyone know any hacks like this for the classic mp3 player?
15:49:45PsycoXulwhat mp3 player is that?
15:49:59LouCapoits made by classic
15:50:10PsycoXulnever heard of it
15:50:15PsycoXulyou'd do better to search google
15:50:55LouCapohttp://www.emiglobal.com/faq/chd1000.html
15:51:25PsycoXulheh
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16:01:30LouCaponever heard of it?
16:08:43PsycoXulnope
16:09:27LouCapocant find any hacks on google :-(
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16:35:41thucan I delete a dir from rockbox?
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19:07:57Stanhi
19:08:41Stancurious if/when the Wake Up will work with the fm recorder, without modifying the hardware?
19:10:05Plughit won't
19:10:08diddystar5not gonna happen wihtout changing the hardwre
19:10:10Plughhardware limitation
19:10:14Standarn!
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19:10:23Stancuz it almost starts up! light flickers :)
19:10:25diddystar5but it is a easy mod ;)
19:10:46Stanboy i dunno.. i was affraid just doin the ROM upgrade :)
19:10:50Plughwith a steady hand and a good soldering iron
19:11:03Plughyou want like a 12W iron
19:11:08Stanhmm
19:11:14Plughsomething with very low heat and a tiny tip
19:11:18Stannod
19:11:58Plughoff to work
19:12:00Stanthanks alot!
19:12:01Plughseeyas
19:12:06diddystar5bye
19:14:20diddystar5never mind is a bit harder mod than i remembered, you have to desolder the two boards
19:14:50Stanya, i think ill stick to my alarm clock
19:15:18Stanpretty slick tho
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20:06:21rob1hello
20:06:27rob1anyone here?
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20:07:47zxdcfhello
20:07:53zxdcfis anyone here?
20:08:31Plughhi
20:08:56zxdcfhey can you answer 2 questions i have about rockbox?
20:10:15PlughI can answer them. Dunno if it'll be correct though ;)
20:11:29zxdcfalright
20:11:36zxdcfdoes rockbox have a true random player?
20:11:41zxdcfcause the archos's randomizer sucks ass
20:11:57zxdcfand secondly does the rockbox let you randomize through different directories or only the current?
20:13:34MiChAeLoLrockbox owns
20:13:49MiChAeLoLmine boots up and is resuming the last played song in 3 secs
20:13:54MiChAeLoLcause i flashed it to mem
20:14:34Heszxdcf: yes, the randomizer in rockbox is very good - uses a cryptography strength pseudorandom generator
20:15:02Plughzxdcf: the randomizer only works on one dir or a playlist
20:15:12Hesyou need to create a playlist to randomize over multiple directories, but in current development versions you can do that in rockbox
20:15:42zxdcfi also read on the page taht loading it might lock up the archos? what's that about?
20:15:53zxdcfloading the .mod file i mean
20:17:55Plughwas that referring to cvs or the 2.0 build?
20:18:24zxdcfim not sure
20:20:16zxdcfQ22. I tried one of your firmware files and now I can't access my hard disk!
20:20:16zxdcf When I turn on my jukebox, it says:
20:20:16zxdcf Part. Error
20:20:16DBUGEnqueued KICK zxdcf
20:20:16zxdcf Pls Chck HD
20:20:16zxdcfA22. Your hard disk has been password protected. We're not 100% sure why it
20:21:58Plugha lot of the info on the web pages is out of date. I suggest checking the mail list archives and the IRC logs
20:22:44zxdcfso is that no longer an issue?
20:23:01zxdcfcause that's my only apprehension against installing it right now
20:25:10Plughdon't let it stop you from installing it. Just don't flash it till you feel comfortable
20:25:30Plughyou can always plug into the USB and remove the new fw
20:25:45Heszxdcf: that issue hasn't happened lately
20:25:47Plughgo back to the one that came installed on the unit
20:29:03zxdcfalright im gonna do it
20:31:28Plughgood for you!
20:31:36Plughget a daily build
20:31:42Plughnot the silly 2.0 thing
20:31:55zxdcfwhy a daily?
20:32:05Plughmany more features
20:32:10Plughand bugfixes
20:32:10zxdcfalright
20:34:37zxdcfdone
20:34:41zxdcfhow can i tell if it workeD?
20:36:54zxdcfwhat should the bootup screen display?
20:37:24PlughRockbox screen
20:37:41Plughgraphical display
20:38:03Plughdid you copy in the .rockbox directory?
20:38:15zxdcfyeah
20:38:21Plughgood deal
20:38:32zxdcfi unzipped with the folder extensions
20:38:36zxdcfso it got everything in there
20:38:38Plughokay
20:39:20zxdcfit still reads it as the old firmware
20:39:33zxdcfarchos v. 5.0XX
20:40:26zxdcfi renamed the old archos.mod file to oldarchos.mod
20:40:34zxdcfnow i'm moving it out of the root directory
20:41:02MTzxdcf: that password locked hd hasnt happened for a loooong time
20:41:34zxdcfalright now its working
20:41:36zxdcfsweet
20:42:32Plughenjoy. You'll be addicted in no time
20:42:52PlughI just did a cvs update ;)
20:43:25Plughhaven't updated in 3 days
20:43:39Plughand missed a playlist feature
20:43:53zxdcfthe menu is pretty expansive
20:44:02zxdcfdoes the manual cover all of it?
20:45:40Plughit covers 2.0
20:45:47Plughbut not daily
20:47:03zxdcfdo i have to screw around with the buffer or anything
20:47:05zxdcfor is it all set
20:51:23zxdcfthe anti-skip buffer i mean
20:51:59Plughdon't worry about all that
20:52:09Plughanti-skip buffer will chew your battery
20:52:17Plughonly use it if it's an issue
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20:54:18zxdcfmy last question is
20:54:35zxdcfis the spindown default the same as the default on the factory archos?
20:56:14hardeepzxdcf: probably not
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20:57:10zxdcflonger or shorter?
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21:00:13hardeepzxdcf: no idea... the factory firmware doesn't expose this info to the user
21:01:03zxdcfi suppose it does dont
21:01:06zxdcfnot
21:01:10zxdcflong day heh
21:04:28zxdcfwhat's caption backlight?
21:04:53hardeepzxdcf: turns on the backlight during a track change
21:05:24zxdcfnice
21:06:11zxdcfthe reason i went looking for a firmware upgrade is cause i have a large folder of music
21:06:17zxdcfthat i just put on random when i drive around
21:06:35zxdcfand i noticed the archos going through the same 20 songs out of my 400+ songs in there
21:06:57MTnot to be rude, but its better to use a playlist for that sort of thing
21:06:58hardeepzxdcf: the archos firmware has many issues... =)
21:07:28MTits still better not to have lots of large directories of music, and you only need that on the archos firmware as their playlist stuff is frankly crap
21:08:03zxdcfi suppose
21:08:40zxdcfi dont see the inherent advantage of a playlist over just randomly playing songs
21:09:51MTit takes a lot of battery power to search through a large directory
21:09:56MTso theres the inherent reason
21:10:10MTit also takes more memory to then keep all of those directory entries in memory
21:10:32MTand then that reduces the amount of buffer space you have left for mp3 data
21:10:47MTand so the hd has to spin up more often to fill it up, also killing batteries
21:11:21Hesbecause of memory usage reason rockbox can handle _huge_ playlists with all the tracks you can fit on the hard disk. the amount of files it can handle in a directory is much more limited, although tunable these days.
21:12:53zxdcfi see
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21:23:06hardeepheya Zagor
21:23:17Zagorhowdy
21:24:01Zagoranybody know a cheap graphics card that handles 1600x1200 DVI?
21:25:53MTmatrox p650?
21:26:51Zagoryeah, but it's not exactly cheap
21:27:47Zagori have a nice g450 card which claims 2048x1536 resolution.
21:27:48MT80 or so
21:28:12Zagoronly in the very fine print it says that dvi is limited to 1280x1024 :(
21:28:48>>>"convert 80 pounds" by Zagor (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se)
21:30:21Zagorit's more like 120+vat in sweden
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21:33:42Zagorhaha
21:33:59Zagorhe was just waiting for his opportunity
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21:40:21Heshuh 8-)
21:41:18Zagorit's got to have logbot to watch over us, kicking accidental flooders and so
21:43:22Zagors/got/good/
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22:08:18Zagorhmm, a GeforceFX 5200 card seems to a nice low-cost choice
22:13:12HesI ended up with an ATI Radeon 8500 when I went shopping for the successor of my Matrox G200
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22:13:57Hesdunno if it fits your definition of low-cost, but it's pretty speedy but not in the high-end price range
22:14:22Plugheh?
22:14:25Hesnot that the linux support would be excellent quite yet.
22:14:33Plughwhy'd the bot kick me for flooding while I was idle?
22:15:33ZagorHes: i'd like to avoid a fan
22:15:52ZagorPlugh: it enqueues the kicks. they time out after a while, but apparently he was still mad at you :)
22:16:40Plughfuck you, logbot :P
22:17:01HesPlugh: watch it, he might get upset again 8-)
22:17:13PlughI'm counting on it ;)
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23:04:34Empeethreemy name isnt track its Empeethree you fool :-)
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