| 00:00:20 | klax0n | price of an ipod. but hey, you can pick your own font, and play games, and ... and ... |
| 00:00:29 | * | klax0n can't wait!! |
| 00:01:21 | klax0n | Plugh: what's the $$ for an 80gb 2.5" drive, just curious |
| 00:02:29 | uski | [IDC]Dragon: let me try your new version of RockFlash ;) |
| 00:02:43 | uski | klax0n: should be like $160 |
| 00:02:46 | [IDC]Dragon | OK. |
| 00:03:14 | [IDC]Dragon | I' |
| 00:03:36 | [IDC]Dragon | I'll by my next drive not before they hold 120 GB. |
| 00:04:51 | klax0n | so... jbr6000 is like $100 on amazon, + $160 for 80gb drive.. yowza. |
| 00:05:45 | Plugh | [IDC]Dragon: okay, I got rockbox_flash.rock, rockbox.ucl, and firmware_fm.bin |
| 00:06:08 | klax0n | some won |
| 00:06:30 | klax0n | .. some won't take flash - is jbr15 one of them? |
| 00:06:47 | Plugh | recorders can be flashed |
| 00:06:59 | Plugh | players, in general, can't |
| 00:07:30 | klax0n | ohmygoshohmygosh, yes! |
| 00:08:34 | Plugh | [IDC]Dragon: do I need to run the .rock in your archive or the one I just built from source? |
| 00:09:03 | [IDC]Dragon | Better use eveything from the package, that's been tested. |
| 00:11:55 | klax0n | okay see ya next week! this is gonna be fun! |
| 00:12:45 | | Part klax0n |
| 00:14:06 | | Quit edx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 00:15:18 | Plugh | okay, all flashed |
| 00:15:24 | Plugh | including my patches |
| 00:15:48 | Plugh | I failed to run firmware_flash before rockbox_flash |
| 00:15:58 | [IDC]Dragon | Aha, that was quick! |
| 00:16:34 | Plugh | heh. I'm not a dolt. I just have to see the logic of it before I can succeed |
| 00:16:49 | Plugh | I like to have it all worked out in my mind before I progress |
| 00:17:08 | [IDC]Dragon | And? How is it? |
| 00:17:14 | Plugh | fast |
| 00:17:52 | Plugh | I never was really annoyed by the startup time, but now that it's in flash, I can see the benefit |
| 00:18:13 | Plugh | also, I liked the USB icon in rockbox better than archos |
| 00:18:40 | [IDC]Dragon | what I was about to ask a flashed FM user: |
| 00:18:48 | uski | . |
| 00:18:50 | uski | test, sb alive ? |
| 00:18:54 | | Quit uski ("Fermeture du client") |
| 00:19:04 | [IDC]Dragon | You probably need to hold "On" for a while to bring it up? |
| 00:19:24 | [IDC]Dragon | (Longer than usual) |
| 00:19:48 | Plugh | yeah. I noticed that |
| 00:19:53 | Plugh | something to get used to |
| 00:19:58 | Plugh | but I appreciate it too |
| 00:20:03 | [IDC]Dragon | Does this also happen for F1-On? |
| 00:20:20 | [IDC]Dragon | Or does that work with a short press? |
| 00:20:48 | Plugh | same with f1+on |
| 00:21:03 | [IDC]Dragon | Interesting. |
| 00:21:18 | [IDC]Dragon | It's not a feature, it's a side effect. |
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| 00:21:45 | | Quit uski (Client Quit) |
| 00:22:00 | [IDC]Dragon | Gonna do something about it, but need to change my bootloader for it. |
| 00:22:22 | [IDC]Dragon | (And first find out what pin to use to bridge "On") |
| 00:22:47 | Plugh | I like the fact that when I plug the usb into a powered-down box it comes up with the rockbox usb graphic |
| 00:23:18 | [IDC]Dragon | That's not the case without flashing it? |
| 00:23:59 | Plugh | nah. comes up with archos usb screen |
| 00:24:22 | [IDC]Dragon | I see, shure. But it doeas come up. |
| 00:24:26 | [IDC]Dragon | does |
| 00:24:29 | Plugh | yeah |
| 00:24:37 | [IDC]Dragon | Recorders don't. |
| 00:24:45 | Plugh | oh? |
| 00:25:24 | [IDC]Dragon | You've backed up your original flash? |
| 00:26:19 | | Join uski [0] (~moo@gandalf.digital-network.org) |
| 00:26:26 | Plugh | um, I knew I forgot something |
| 00:26:28 | uski | [IDC]Dragon: does not work :\ |
| 00:26:56 | [IDC]Dragon | Plugh: not so bad, the FMs are all alike. |
| 00:27:54 | [IDC]Dragon | You'll need it in case you have persistent charging problems, if even F1+plugin won't charge properly. Some people had that. |
| 00:28:49 | [IDC]Dragon | uski: what happenes? |
| 00:28:58 | Plugh | I heard something about it. I thought fmr had hardware charging |
| 00:29:11 | uski | [IDC]Dragon: "error while transmitting monitor byte XX, got YY" |
| 00:29:28 | uski | [IDC]Dragon: with random YY and "not so random" XX |
| 00:29:36 | uski | perhaps a baudrate problem or sth like that |
| 00:29:39 | [IDC]Dragon | Plugh: they do, but maybe that needs to be enabled or so. |
| 00:30:10 | [IDC]Dragon | uski: hmm. |
| 00:30:24 | uski | [IDC]Dragon: perhaps it's a hardware problem, im not sure... |
| 00:30:34 | uski | also, might it be caused by an incorrect boot mode ? |
| 00:30:40 | uski | perhaps i failed while making the uart boot mod |
| 00:31:09 | [IDC]Dragon | uski: when you enable it, the box stas frozen on powerup? |
| 00:31:14 | [IDC]Dragon | stays |
| 00:31:18 | uski | yea |
| 00:31:22 | [IDC]Dragon | good. |
| 00:31:29 | uski | blank screen, backlight always on |
| 00:31:43 | uski | yea, sound good byut perhaps there are other modes, and perhaps i am not in the right one |
| 00:31:43 | [IDC]Dragon | backlight on? |
| 00:31:48 | uski | yea it stays on |
| 00:32:06 | uski | (i know the screen works) |
| 00:32:13 | [IDC]Dragon | well, maybe players are different, it's off on recorders. |
| 00:32:49 | uski | ok |
| 00:32:58 | uski | i don't think it is an issue |
| 00:33:01 | uski | hmm |
| 00:33:40 | uski | hmmm interesting ! |
| 00:33:51 | uski | i get the same error while launching RockFlash when the archos is not connected |
| 00:33:58 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe my baudrate byte transmittal has a problem. It's a blue sky implementation, never tested. |
| 00:34:19 | [IDC]Dragon | uski: same numbers? |
| 00:34:21 | uski | yes but i should not get garbage when the archos is off |
| 00:34:35 | [IDC]Dragon | but you do? |
| 00:34:35 | uski | let me check |
| 00:34:48 | uski | yes i do, but im not sure it is exactly the same nyumbers |
| 00:34:59 | [IDC]Dragon | weird |
| 00:35:22 | [IDC]Dragon | anyway, I have to leave soon. |
| 00:35:49 | uski | will you be there tomorrow ? |
| 00:36:03 | uski | hmmm now it stays on "Downloading monitor..." without saying anything after it |
| 00:36:07 | uski | and i did not change anything |
| 00:36:09 | uski | weird |
| 00:37:55 | uski | hmm the garbage came back, looks like a bad contact. |
| 00:40:36 | [IDC]Dragon | uski: not tomorrow. |
| 00:40:52 | [IDC]Dragon | Maybe your RX and TX are shorted? |
| 00:41:33 | uski | let me check... would kill me if it's the case ;) |
| 00:42:30 | [IDC]Dragon | gotta leave now, bye! |
| 00:42:51 | | Quit [IDC]Dragon () |
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| 00:51:48 | uski | WOWir works !!! |
| 00:51:55 | midknight2k3 | huh |
| 00:51:56 | midknight2k3 | ? |
| 00:52:13 | uski | uart boot |
| 00:52:16 | uski | wooow |
| 00:52:24 | midknight2k3 | yours died or something? |
| 00:52:24 | uski | after hours of effort it works :) |
| 00:52:26 | uski | im happy :) |
| 00:52:36 | midknight2k3 | why did you need it? |
| 00:52:39 | uski | nah, im siply playing with an old jukebox |
| 00:52:45 | midknight2k3 | oh |
| 00:52:47 | uski | and im validating idc dragon's code for players |
| 00:52:50 | midknight2k3 | which model? |
| 00:52:55 | uski | player 6k |
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| 00:53:01 | midknight2k3 | i guess that got answered before i asked |
| 00:54:03 | uski | hmmm my problem is to have a file to boot with |
| 00:56:12 | midknight2k3 | what now |
| 00:56:37 | | Quit hanzz ("I was using TinyIRC! Visit http://www.tinyirc.net/ for more information.") |
| 00:56:47 | Plugh | heya mid |
| 00:57:02 | midknight2k3 | sigh... |
| 00:57:05 | midknight2k3 | hello plugh |
| 00:57:11 | Plugh | just flashed my fmr |
| 00:57:18 | midknight2k3 | really? |
| 00:57:20 | midknight2k3 | neat |
| 00:57:23 | Plugh | yeah |
| 00:57:25 | uski | anyone knows the addr of idc dragon's website ? |
| 00:57:25 | midknight2k3 | i flashed mine months ago |
| 00:57:29 | Plugh | I know |
| 00:57:35 | midknight2k3 | its somewheres on the main page |
| 00:57:43 | midknight2k3 | under the Rockbox started from flash rom thing |
| 00:57:56 | midknight2k3 | i like the quick boox |
| 00:57:59 | Plugh | but I finally got an UNDERSTANDING of the flash process |
| 00:57:59 | midknight2k3 | boot* |
| 00:58:03 | midknight2k3 | not the 15 second one |
| 00:58:04 | uski | ok midknight2k3 thx |
| 00:58:06 | midknight2k3 | oh really? |
| 00:58:10 | midknight2k3 | no problem uski |
| 00:58:14 | midknight2k3 | let me know if you cant find it |
| 00:58:32 | Plugh | midknight2k3: I actually flashed my personal build |
| 00:58:38 | Plugh | so I'm pleased |
| 00:58:42 | midknight2k3 | i do that like every day |
| 00:58:43 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 00:58:49 | midknight2k3 | but neat |
| 00:58:55 | Plugh | only thing is, I forgot to save off my old fw |
| 00:59:03 | midknight2k3 | flash a recorder image, plugh |
| 00:59:05 | midknight2k3 | try it out |
| 00:59:10 | Plugh | no thanks |
| 00:59:11 | | Join AciD [0] (~gni@ANantes-106-1-31-8.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 00:59:11 | midknight2k3 | itll be funny |
| 00:59:14 | midknight2k3 | why not? |
| 00:59:17 | Plugh | I'm sure |
| 00:59:19 | Plugh | nah |
| 00:59:46 | Plugh | besides, I'm only set up to do fm builds |
| 00:59:53 | midknight2k3 | mm hmm |
| 01:00 |
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| 01:02:40 | Plugh | mid: missed you yesterday |
| 01:03:11 | Plugh | I was looking for someone to pester |
| 01:07:57 | midknight2k3 | oh really |
| 01:08:15 | midknight2k3 | i was at school. you were at work. you should have been afk, as was i |
| 01:08:31 | midknight2k3 | bu tnoo you waste your DNA bug research time playing with #rockbox |
| 01:13:22 | Plugh | you were at school until 7:00 Pacific? |
| 01:13:29 | midknight2k3 | no.. |
| 01:13:34 | midknight2k3 | i do other things |
| 01:13:37 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 01:13:45 | Plugh | that's right. You "work out" |
| 01:13:55 | midknight2k3 | yes |
| 01:13:57 | midknight2k3 | and... |
| 01:14:01 | midknight2k3 | erm... |
| 01:14:05 | midknight2k3 | i "eat" |
| 01:14:09 | midknight2k3 | and "drink" |
| 01:14:53 | Plugh | sounds like a dull existence outside #rockbox |
| 01:15:02 | midknight2k3 | sure is |
| 01:18:50 | midknight2k3 | and you |
| 01:18:51 | midknight2k3 | ? |
| 01:20:14 | Plugh | let's see... after work, I went home to drop off stuff, went to Home Depot to buy stuff to turn my truck into a camper |
| 01:20:33 | Plugh | then I fucked my wife to sleep |
| 01:21:02 | midknight2k3 | you could have left out that last part. |
| 01:21:37 | Plugh | you asked |
| 01:21:56 | midknight2k3 | i don't really need to know that |
| 01:22:13 | midknight2k3 | "you had to push the matter" "you asked" "you started it" |
| 01:22:37 | Plugh | since you never responded to my query a while back about your age, I'm treating you as an adult |
| 01:22:46 | midknight2k3 | shure |
| 01:22:53 | midknight2k3 | i like being threated that way |
| 01:22:55 | midknight2k3 | treated* |
| 01:23:51 | Plugh | damn |
| 01:24:17 | Plugh | falling asleep at my desk waiting for the experiment to finish loading |
| 01:24:26 | midknight2k3 | which experiment? |
| 01:24:36 | midknight2k3 | suntan producing cells? |
| 01:24:53 | Plugh | in this case? Breast cancer |
| 01:24:57 | | Join Josh [0] (~Josh@adsl-35-7-125.bct.bellsouth.net) |
| 01:25:07 | Josh | alright, how do I delete rockbox from flash? |
| 01:25:10 | Josh | wanna record from radoi |
| 01:25:12 | Josh | radio |
| 01:25:20 | midknight2k3 | you cna radio record in rockbox |
| 01:25:25 | midknight2k3 | or F1+on to archos firmware |
| 01:25:31 | midknight2k3 | no need to "delete it" |
| 01:25:39 | Plugh | on+f1 will start up the old fw |
| 01:25:43 | Josh | thanks... |
| 01:25:47 | Josh | radio record in rockbox? |
| 01:25:48 | Josh | how? |
| 01:25:58 | Plugh | umm |
| 01:26:00 | midknight2k3 | to record in rockbox, set radio, hit on and go to MENU->recording |
| 01:26:05 | midknight2k3 | set to line in |
| 01:26:13 | Josh | ook |
| 01:26:14 | midknight2k3 | and it will consider that "radio" recording |
| 01:26:15 | Josh | awesome |
| 01:26:18 | midknight2k3 | similar to ON at wps |
| 01:26:23 | Josh | and can you tell it to stop in say, 3 hours? |
| 01:26:24 | midknight2k3 | no problem |
| 01:26:28 | midknight2k3 | not yet |
| 01:26:37 | midknight2k3 | you can tell it to make a new file every three hours or so |
| 01:26:45 | midknight2k3 | and delete the ones you dont want |
| 01:27:00 | Plugh | you can't tell rockbox to record off the radio yet |
| 01:27:10 | midknight2k3 | yes you can |
| 01:27:11 | midknight2k3 | retard |
| 01:27:21 | midknight2k3 | i'm like 1/3 your age and you dont even know THAT |
| 01:27:27 | Plugh | is it recording source line in, digital, or mic? |
| 01:27:32 | midknight2k3 | line in |
| 01:27:42 | midknight2k3 | radio must be activated first |
| 01:27:50 | midknight2k3 | otherwise it will really use the line in |
| 01:28:36 | Plugh | you can't get the recording menu if you're in radio mode. |
| 01:28:43 | midknight2k3 | press ON |
| 01:28:44 | midknight2k3 | errr! |
| 01:28:57 | midknight2k3 | like the WPS as i said |
| 01:29:09 | midknight2k3 | keeps playing, lets you mess around |
| 01:29:18 | Plugh | as to FM recording, my box interferes too much to get a good signal |
| 01:29:27 | Plugh | so it's a useless feature to me |
| 01:29:32 | Josh | yea |
| 01:29:33 | midknight2k3 | still |
| 01:29:37 | Josh | hmm, if I record for four hours... |
| 01:29:38 | midknight2k3 | you need to admit you were wrong |
| 01:29:40 | Plugh | all the FM functions are worthless imo |
| 01:29:41 | Josh | how big you reckon th efile will be? |
| 01:29:54 | midknight2k3 | at highest quality? |
| 01:29:59 | Josh | middle |
| 01:30:10 | midknight2k3 | hrm |
| 01:30:13 | Plugh | about a meg a minute? |
| 01:30:18 | midknight2k3 | maybe a gig? |
| 01:30:25 | midknight2k3 | it depends |
| 01:30:33 | midknight2k3 | i always use highest quality |
| 01:30:37 | midknight2k3 | probably about 500megs |
| 01:30:45 | midknight2k3 | plugh can't say it! |
| 01:32:57 | Josh | yea |
| 01:33:11 | midknight2k3 | i still wait |
| 01:33:17 | Josh | damnit |
| 01:33:21 | Josh | night of joy in disney now |
| 01:33:23 | Josh | awesome concert |
| 01:33:30 | Josh | live on radio...needa record it to listen to it later |
| 01:33:39 | Josh | yet I cant find my damn charger now for archos |
| 01:33:40 | Josh | fuck |
| 01:33:45 | midknight2k3 | it went from "you can't get to record screen from radio" to "it doesn't really matter anyways" |
| 01:33:51 | midknight2k3 | uh oh |
| 01:33:55 | midknight2k3 | sounds angry |
| 01:33:59 | Josh | haha :) |
| 01:34:07 | midknight2k3 | ahem |
| 01:34:16 | midknight2k3 | no "i was wrong" in between |
| 01:34:20 | midknight2k3 | or "i am dumb" |
| 01:34:24 | * | Plugh falls asleep on his keybbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbfdfbbbbbbbcbbbbbdbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb |
| 01:34:26 | midknight2k3 | or "it DOES work, neat!" |
| 01:34:35 | midknight2k3 | just "it doesnt mattery anywayys" |
| 01:34:42 | midknight2k3 | HETARD |
| 01:35:39 | Plugh | hey mid, did you get that Oracle system serv |
| 01:36:06 | midknight2k3 | i didn't get that OR an "it works, thanks mid" either |
| 01:36:10 | midknight2k3 | whats oracle? |
| 01:36:13 | midknight2k3 | huh? |
| 01:36:19 | Plugh | database |
| 01:36:25 | midknight2k3 | no... |
| 01:36:29 | midknight2k3 | was i supposed to? |
| 01:36:42 | Plugh | you. so you can test our software |
| 01:36:56 | midknight2k3 | where is it? you emailed it or what |
| 01:37:33 | | Quit Josh ("Leaving") |
| 01:37:49 | Plugh | you can download it if you really want |
| 01:37:56 | midknight2k3 | where at |
| 01:38:00 | midknight2k3 | how big? |
| 01:38:35 | Plugh | www.silicongenetics.com, and it's about 35 or 40 meg |
| 01:39:13 | midknight2k3 | cant do 35meg on 56k right now |
| 01:39:16 | midknight2k3 | wait till tomorrow |
| 01:39:49 | midknight2k3 | it's a rat |
| 01:39:55 | midknight2k3 | it looks like my deceased hamster Fred |
| 01:40:04 | midknight2k3 | i miss him |
| 01:41:00 | | Join track [0] (jirc@ACBF368A.ipt.aol.com) |
| 01:41:51 | midknight2k3 | hello track |
| 01:41:57 | midknight2k3 | plugh: how interesting |
| 01:42:21 | midknight2k3 | you work with this all day |
| 01:42:23 | midknight2k3 | ? |
| 01:42:33 | track | wheres bjorn and co? |
| 01:42:38 | midknight2k3 | not here |
| 01:42:44 | midknight2k3 | not been around a long time |
| 01:42:46 | track | lol |
| 01:42:50 | midknight2k3 | i saw bagder a few days ago |
| 01:42:54 | midknight2k3 | zagor, a month maybe |
| 01:42:55 | track | lol |
| 01:43:00 | midknight2k3 | linus? i forget |
| 01:43:03 | midknight2k3 | longer than zagor |
| 01:43:11 | track | prob gave up |
| 01:43:17 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 01:43:30 | midknight2k3 | NEW AND IMPROVED! TOTALLY PATCH-RELIANT! |
| 01:44:09 | track | midknight i have a request for u |
| 01:44:14 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 01:45:10 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:47:26 | Plugh | yes this is what I work with all day |
| 01:47:49 | midknight2k3 | looks neat |
| 01:47:59 | Plugh | I guess |
| 01:48:34 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 01:48:45 | midknight2k3 | and the rat is cool |
| 01:49:34 | Plugh | our demo data is a rat genome |
| 01:49:45 | midknight2k3 | and can you make the rat move? |
| 01:49:50 | midknight2k3 | like scamper? |
| 01:50:41 | midknight2k3 | or like jump up and down, or go "scritritrit" like rats do? |
| 01:51:44 | midknight2k3 | WELl? |
| 01:51:48 | Plugh | no |
| 01:51:54 | midknight2k3 | can it move? |
| 01:52:13 | midknight2k3 | it just shows the bunch of lines and dots then? |
| 01:54:09 | Plugh | nah. Not even that |
| 01:54:19 | midknight2k3 | what then? |
| 01:54:34 | Plugh | we just display genomic expression data |
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| 01:54:52 | midknight2k3 | meaning a lit of numbers and crap? |
| 01:55:03 | midknight2k3 | lit=lot |
| 01:57:24 | midknight2k3 | i gues that means no |
| 01:57:33 | midknight2k3 | i just makes a CGI rat appear on screen |
| 01:57:35 | midknight2k3 | sounds FUN! |
| 01:59:14 | Plugh | that rat is just a marketing gizmo. It represents our software's ability to turn raw data... numbers... into something more easily analyzed, as visual representation. |
| 01:59:49 | midknight2k3 | did you CGI render the rat? |
| 01:59:58 | Plugh | I don't know who did |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:10 | midknight2k3 | tell them the rock |
| 02:00:14 | midknight2k3 | can you make cgi junk? |
| 02:00:42 | Plugh | not really my area of expertise |
| 02:00:59 | midknight2k3 | no? |
| 02:01:01 | Plugh | I'm a system administrator and analyst |
| 02:01:14 | midknight2k3 | are you on the website? |
| 02:01:43 | Plugh | I specialize in data transfer protocols, databases, and inter-process communication |
| 02:01:51 | midknight2k3 | meaning? |
| 02:02:26 | Plugh | umm, I make pieces of software talk with other pieces of software |
| 02:02:33 | midknight2k3 | i mean |
| 02:02:37 | midknight2k3 | are you on the website |
| 02:02:38 | Plugh | and make sure they're talking correctly |
| 02:02:40 | Plugh | no |
| 02:02:44 | midknight2k3 | rats |
| 02:02:44 | Plugh | not that I know of |
| 02:02:52 | midknight2k3 | how dare they |
| 02:02:55 | Plugh | no, there's rats on the site |
| 02:02:58 | Plugh | but no plughs |
| 02:03:15 | midknight2k3 | any other rat pictures? |
| 02:03:18 | Plugh | what? You wanna see pix of me? www.mudbarn.com/~plugh |
| 02:03:21 | midknight2k3 | who cares about plugh |
| 02:03:37 | midknight2k3 | that kill it in the face thi |
| 02:03:40 | midknight2k3 | i fogot |
| 02:12:27 | track | software |
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| 02:12:37 | midknight2k3 | huh? |
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| 02:13:33 | midknight2k3 | MAKE A NEW ONE |
| 02:16:24 | ze | Plugh: you look a little like brendan frasier |
| 02:16:50 | Plugh | my wife wishes that were true ;) |
| 02:16:57 | ze | well |
| 02:17:00 | ze | not that much like him |
| 02:17:04 | ze | but enough to remind me of him |
| 02:17:04 | ze | heh |
| 02:17:36 | Plugh | she has a crush on Brendan Frasier |
| 02:17:45 | ze | hehe |
| 02:18:32 | ze | she reminds me of somebody too, but i dunno who |
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| 02:32:20 | midknight2k3 | expirement loaded yet, plugh? |
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| 03:31:26 | midknight2k3 | hello? |
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| 04:21:12 | Plugh | dunno Mid. I left at 5:20 |
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| 04:39:15 | midknight2k3 | pluggy? |
| 04:49:59 | midknight2k3 | plugh? |
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| 06:02:45 | michaelol | anyone here use the archos with a mic for recording? |
| 06:02:55 | midknight2k3 | i do |
| 06:02:55 | michaelol | wondering how good of quality it is through a mic |
| 06:03:07 | michaelol | cause thinking of getting a high quality mic on ebay for it |
| 06:03:14 | midknight2k3 | sounds great |
| 06:03:20 | midknight2k3 | no hard drive nouse |
| 06:03:22 | midknight2k3 | noise |
| 06:03:25 | michaelol | excellent |
| 06:03:30 | michaelol | do you have any examples of it? |
| 06:03:45 | michaelol | like a short mp3 of it going through hte mic or something? |
| 06:03:56 | midknight2k3 | i could make one |
| 06:04:08 | michaelol | like is it studio quality? |
| 06:04:18 | * | michaelol plays trumpet and needs a decent recorder |
| 06:04:18 | midknight2k3 | it's very clear |
| 06:04:21 | michaelol | excellent |
| 06:04:25 | midknight2k3 | captures the sound good |
| 06:04:32 | michaelol | what kind of mic do you use? |
| 06:04:36 | midknight2k3 | similar to the internal mic, but without the noise and stuff |
| 06:04:41 | michaelol | yea nice |
| 06:04:48 | midknight2k3 | its not a professional one, just the one that archos makes |
| 06:04:56 | michaelol | ahh |
| 06:05:02 | michaelol | but it does record it good right? |
| 06:05:20 | midknight2k3 | mine gives a bit of interference sometimes |
| 06:05:24 | midknight2k3 | just has to do witht eh mic |
| 06:05:45 | michaelol | ahhh |
| 06:05:54 | michaelol | cool |
| 06:06:03 | michaelol | cause right now ive been using the mic on my video camera |
| 06:06:08 | michaelol | and just capturing the sound |
| 06:06:11 | michaelol | but sort of low quality |
| 06:06:17 | michaelol | probably gunna get a really good mic on ebay |
| 06:06:19 | midknight2k3 | works great for me |
| 06:06:22 | michaelol | for around 50-100 bucks |
| 06:06:26 | michaelol | nice |
| 06:06:27 | midknight2k3 | nice |
| 06:06:37 | michaelol | looking for around 70 bucks |
| 06:07:44 | midknight2k3 | mine works great |
| 06:07:53 | michaelol | what kind is yours? |
| 06:08:00 | midknight2k3 | my what? |
| 06:08:02 | michaelol | mic |
| 06:08:04 | midknight2k3 | archos fm recorder, archos mic |
| 06:08:13 | michaelol | ahhh |
| 06:08:18 | * | michaelol has an archos fm recorder too |
| 06:08:20 | midknight2k3 | the archos one |
| 06:08:22 | midknight2k3 | neat |
| 06:08:33 | michaelol | yep great deal got it just cause of rockbox |
| 06:08:37 | michaelol | for 222 dollars |
| 06:08:53 | michaelol | and it is really nice now that i flashed rockbox to the rom |
| 06:08:53 | midknight2k3 | just recently? |
| 06:08:57 | michaelol | a while ago |
| 06:08:57 | midknight2k3 | yeah |
| 06:09:01 | midknight2k3 | me too |
| 06:09:15 | michaelol | like the start of this summer or so |
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| 06:11:16 | midknight2k3 | well good luck |
| 06:11:22 | michaelol | it recordes in stero through a mic right? |
| 06:11:37 | midknight2k3 | yep |
| 06:11:42 | michaelol | :D |
| 06:11:51 | midknight2k3 | i think my interference has to do with the radio towers... "next door" |
| 06:12:03 | midknight2k3 | but otherwise is crisp and clear |
| 06:12:20 | midknight2k3 | is there a link ot ht eproduct you might get |
| 06:12:20 | midknight2k3 | ? |
| 06:14:16 | thu | is it easy to modify an fm recorder so that I can use its microphone with a PC? |
| 06:14:36 | midknight2k3 | probably |
| 06:14:40 | midknight2k3 | just have to do it right |
| 06:14:50 | midknight2k3 | perhaps, earphone out to line in on pc? |
| 06:15:21 | thu | that's still amplified |
| 06:15:31 | midknight2k3 | what do you mean then |
| 06:15:33 | thu | yeah okay.. good enough |
| 06:15:36 | midknight2k3 | lol |
| 06:15:40 | * | michaelol is still looking at mics |
| 06:15:48 | midknight2k3 | any ideas in mind micheal? |
| 06:15:50 | michaelol | trying to get one thats 20hz to 20khz |
| 06:16:03 | michaelol | just like my speakers :D |
| 06:16:27 | midknight2k3 | all righty |
| 06:16:29 | midknight2k3 | i must leave |
| 06:16:30 | midknight2k3 | bye |
| 06:16:32 | midknight2k3 | good luck |
| 06:16:36 | thu | cheers |
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| 06:18:21 | michaelol | hmmm just found a really good deal on a mic |
| 06:18:23 | michaelol | http://www.circuitcity.com/detail.jsp?c=1&b=b&qp=0&bookmark=bookmark_0&oid=9251&catoid=-8747 |
| 06:18:25 | michaelol | 9 bucks |
| 06:18:30 | michaelol | and no shipping |
| 06:18:53 | thu | what do you want to record? |
| 06:19:10 | * | thu is looking for good portable headphones |
| 06:19:43 | michaelol | myself |
| 06:19:48 | michaelol | playing trumpet |
| 06:21:12 | michaelol | http://www.kitejumping.org/jazz/06 - this space for rent solo lisa, tim - jazz band.mp3 <−− im the lead trumpet in here |
| 06:21:24 | michaelol | might have to copy the link into winamp or something tho |
| 06:21:27 | michaelol | if ya want to hear it |
| 06:22:44 | michaelol | thats last year tho |
| 06:24:07 | thu | winamp? what's that? |
| 06:24:22 | michaelol | or xmms |
| 06:24:29 | thu | meh.. 400 Bad Request |
| 06:24:29 | * | michaelol is using xmms right now |
| 06:24:33 | thu | yeah me too |
| 06:24:38 | michaelol | got to copy the whole thing |
| 06:24:48 | michaelol | "http://www.kitejumping.org/jazz/06 - this space for rent solo lisa, tim - jazz band.mp3" |
| 06:25:02 | thu | yeah that's what I did |
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| 06:25:06 | thu | nevermind I'll just download it |
| 06:25:17 | michaelol | or go to http://www.kitejumping.org/jazz and click on number 6 |
| 06:25:18 | * | thu grabbing Chopin off Emusic |
| 06:25:38 | thu | michaelol: omg! downloading music off the web |
| 06:25:45 | thu | what if riaa finds out? |
| 06:25:45 | michaelol | i cracked a coupple of high d's but otherwise its good |
| 06:25:53 | michaelol | its me so its legal :p |
| 06:25:59 | michaelol | my own recording |
| 06:26:00 | michaelol | of me |
| 06:26:00 | thu | I don't believe you |
| 06:26:04 | thu | that must be illegal |
| 06:26:08 | michaelol | nope |
| 06:26:10 | michaelol | listen to it |
| 06:26:13 | thu | as soon as it comes out the trumpet riaa owns it |
| 06:26:19 | thu | no matter what you say |
| 06:26:22 | michaelol | lol |
| 06:26:30 | michaelol | ill make a massive db of it for people to download |
| 06:26:36 | michaelol | and see them try to shut me down |
| 06:26:44 | thu | did you ask riaa for permission before recording yourself? |
| 06:26:44 | michaelol | and some crap of just me soloing |
| 06:26:45 | thu | no? |
| 06:26:45 | michaelol | lol |
| 06:26:48 | thu | it's illegal |
| 06:27:11 | michaelol | just like the stupid eu nation trying to shut down linux lol |
| 06:27:22 | thu | you're starving the poor artists by not only playing but even recording yourself |
| 06:27:31 | thu | and if that wasn't enough you distribute it freely on the web |
| 06:27:34 | * | thu shudders |
| 06:27:38 | thu | what's this world coming to? |
| 06:28:26 | michaelol | hehe i am the artist |
| 06:28:34 | michaelol | lol ill sew people that download it from my site |
| 06:28:46 | michaelol | and have the riaa shut them down |
| 06:28:52 | thu | now you're talking |
| 06:28:57 | thu | hey this sounds good |
| 06:29:07 | michaelol | ya should hear the blue bossa one too |
| 06:29:12 | michaelol | i have a long ass improv solo |
| 06:29:13 | thu | how long have you been playin? |
| 06:29:18 | michaelol | long time |
| 06:29:33 | thu | what was that link again? |
| 06:29:40 | michaelol | www.kitejumping.org/jazz |
| 06:29:44 | thu | nm .. got it |
| 06:29:49 | thu | I mean.. yeah |
| 06:29:56 | thu | this calls for wget |
| 06:30:02 | michaelol | the popnrock ones are shitty tho |
| 06:30:17 | michaelol | dont bother with 1 or 3 |
| 06:30:40 | michaelol | i recomend 6 7 and 8 |
| 06:31:06 | thu | heh I've only recently started to educate myself with jazz |
| 06:31:11 | thu | thanks to emusic mostly |
| 06:31:23 | michaelol | you play anything? |
| 06:31:30 | thu | nah |
| 06:31:34 | thu | never found the time |
| 06:31:40 | michaelol | ahhh |
| 06:31:56 | thu | or calling |
| 06:31:57 | thu | heh |
| 06:32:00 | michaelol | blue bossa in the middle is me improving |
| 06:32:05 | michaelol | the trumpet |
| 06:32:08 | michaelol | sort of shitty that time tho |
| 06:32:10 | thu | I'm still at 06 |
| 06:32:16 | michaelol | i c |
| 06:32:24 | * | michaelol and his slow 30kb capped upload |
| 06:32:50 | thu | heh I'm capped at 10-15kB/s |
| 06:33:04 | michaelol | dl? |
| 06:33:05 | thu | the recording is crappy |
| 06:33:06 | michaelol | or up |
| 06:33:08 | thu | up |
| 06:33:09 | michaelol | yep |
| 06:33:26 | michaelol | thats why im lookin for a mic |
| 06:33:26 | thu | it feels like it's a mic in the room |
| 06:33:34 | michaelol | its off my video camera |
| 06:33:38 | michaelol | the mic on that |
| 06:33:38 | thu | ouch! |
| 06:33:41 | michaelol | lol |
| 06:33:53 | thu | get mics for everybody and mix'em |
| 06:33:57 | michaelol | hehe |
| 06:34:03 | michaelol | with thesee 9 dollar ones i could |
| 06:34:07 | thu | now I got to the improv |
| 06:34:12 | thu | sounds good |
| 06:34:18 | michaelol | a little shaddy at spots |
| 06:34:33 | thu | well at least it's listenable |
| 06:34:42 | thu | I get awfuly bored at weird jazz improvs |
| 06:34:51 | michaelol | hehe |
| 06:35:06 | * | michaelol recomends you to get maynard "take the a train" |
| 06:35:35 | thu | what's that? |
| 06:35:42 | michaelol | good song |
| 06:35:54 | michaelol | if you get the maynard fergison version |
| 06:36:01 | thu | not on emusic |
| 06:36:04 | michaelol | how would you rate a 80 - 12,000 Hz mic |
| 06:36:08 | thu | mm stranger on the shore |
| 06:36:11 | thu | I used to like that song |
| 06:36:20 | thu | acker bilk |
| 06:36:22 | michaelol | sort of sukky |
| 06:36:38 | michaelol | casue i found a 80 - 12,000 Hz for 9 dollars |
| 06:36:50 | thu | I have no idea |
| 06:36:55 | michaelol | dont think its that good |
| 06:36:56 | thu | never recorded any music |
| 06:37:06 | michaelol | cause others are like 20hz 20,000 hrz |
| 06:37:33 | thu | argh I don't like stranger on the shore |
| 06:37:37 | thu | I mean your version |
| 06:37:49 | michaelol | yea my version sucks |
| 06:37:59 | michaelol | if ya want a laid back song get copy cat |
| 06:38:12 | thu | the guy doesn't play trumpet |
| 06:38:17 | thu | I'm not sure what that is though |
| 06:38:18 | michaelol | copy cat blue bossa and this space for rent are the only good ones |
| 06:38:28 | thu | yeah I liked blue bossa |
| 06:39:24 | michaelol | copy cat is pretty good |
| 06:39:28 | michaelol | but thats about it |
| 06:40:42 | thu | yeah.. you need a better recording than that |
| 06:40:46 | thu | Playing: Lolita - For Petra [15905/15915] |
| 06:41:03 | michaelol | wanna hear a marching band chart |
| 06:41:07 | michaelol | i got a loud ass trumpet solo |
| 06:41:25 | thu | uhm I guess |
| 06:41:27 | michaelol | http://www.kitejumping.org/old/marchingband/evilways.html <−−good |
| 06:41:41 | michaelol | better now but good then |
| 06:41:52 | thu | bleh embedded |
| 06:42:03 | michaelol | cause we were all blasting in a loud concert hall |
| 06:43:27 | thu | omg it's loud |
| 06:43:33 | thu | and lo-q |
| 06:43:38 | michaelol | yep |
| 06:43:39 | michaelol | i need a mic |
| 06:44:20 | thu | the music sounds good but it's a pain to listen |
| 06:44:51 | thu | Playing: Santana - Evil Ways [394/15915] |
| 06:44:56 | thu | uhm.. better :P |
| 06:46:14 | michaelol | you got 15,000 songs?f |
| 06:46:30 | * | michaelol only has about 7,000 |
| 06:46:30 | thu | umm yeah |
| 06:46:41 | thu | I've got more but I don't have time to copy them off CDs |
| 06:46:47 | michaelol | ahhh |
| 06:46:51 | thu | mp3 cds that is |
| 06:47:19 | * | michaelol *cough* gets *cough* cds from his sources in mp3 format as zip files |
| 06:47:32 | thu | hmm sources? |
| 06:47:40 | thu | sounds like organized crime to me |
| 06:47:49 | michaelol | hehe |
| 06:48:15 | michaelol | i buy the goods that have been confiscated by the riaa lol |
| 06:48:18 | * | michaelol is joking |
| 06:48:53 | thu | I don't think that riaa confiscates stuff |
| 06:49:03 | michaelol | i dont either |
| 06:49:14 | michaelol | but i know that they check copies against copys in p2p programs |
| 06:49:38 | * | michaelol looks for a high end studio mic on ebay |
| 06:49:43 | thu | 4.0G /home/thu/MyMusic |
| 06:49:43 | thu | 3.8G /mnt/space/music/dr/emusic |
| 06:49:46 | thu | emusic is good so far |
| 06:49:56 | thu | I think I'll get a 1 year subscription when this one expires |
| 06:51:14 | michaelol | what quality are the songs |
| 06:51:26 | michaelol | cause i heard the quality on buymusic sucks |
| 06:51:28 | thu | vbr most of them |
| 06:51:32 | michaelol | ahhh |
| 06:51:32 | thu | some of them 128kbps |
| 06:51:34 | thu | all sound good |
| 06:51:37 | michaelol | nice |
| 06:51:40 | thu | no ripping problems |
| 06:54:02 | thu | Playing: Thelonious Monk And John Coltrane - Functional [16419/16490] |
| 06:55:38 | thu | only problem is that they give you too much music |
| 06:55:48 | thu | I don't know what to download first.. let alone listen |
| 06:56:01 | thu | I don't remember when I listened to a whole album the last time |
| 06:56:46 | michaelol | heh |
| 06:57:02 | michaelol | how many gb of it do you have? |
| 06:57:16 | * | michaelol only has about 4 left on his archos 20gb fm rec |
| 06:57:31 | thu | 13G /mnt/space/muzica |
| 06:57:31 | thu | 59G /mnt/space/music |
| 06:57:31 | thu | 4.0G /home/thu/MyMusic |
| 06:57:39 | thu | 477M /mnt/morespace/muzica |
| 06:57:46 | thu | 4.0G /home/thu/MyMusic |
| 06:57:46 | thu | 3.8G /mnt/space/music/dr/emusic |
| 06:58:09 | thu | and a few hundred megs in various dirs |
| 06:59:36 | michaelol | wow |
| 06:59:51 | * | michaelol has it all in one location |
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| 07:00:01 | thu | I kept running out of space |
| 07:00:26 | thu | 27G /mnt/space/video |
| 07:00:26 | thu | 24G /mnt/morespace/video |
| 07:00:31 | thu | because of these guys mostly |
| 07:00:52 | michaelol | 15.4 gigs of music |
| 07:01:03 | thu | that's a good start :P |
| 07:01:14 | michaelol | got a crapload of movies tho |
| 07:01:19 | michaelol | in dvd quality |
| 07:01:23 | michaelol | that arnt out on dvd |
| 07:01:34 | thu | hmm |
| 07:01:40 | thu | anything interesting? |
| 07:01:49 | thu | I'm looking for The Cuckoo |
| 07:01:50 | michaelol | hehe they all say call 1800 no copy on the bottom everyso often |
| 07:01:55 | thu | yeah mine too |
| 07:02:02 | thu | I get them when they show up in theatres |
| 07:02:06 | michaelol | yep |
| 07:02:12 | thu | after half a year they show up in my local dvd store |
| 07:02:18 | michaelol | heh |
| 07:02:20 | thu | I'm like 'i've seen that .. and that .. and that' |
| 07:02:25 | michaelol | yep |
| 07:02:40 | thu | and the only times I ever get a dvd from them I return it in 15 mins |
| 07:02:49 | michaelol | have you ever used wine? |
| 07:02:53 | thu | they go like 'is anything wrong with it?' |
| 07:03:01 | thu | and I'm like 'no, thanks' |
| 07:03:08 | michaelol | hehe |
| 07:03:18 | michaelol | i think the only thing i can get wine to work with is mirc |
| 07:03:29 | thu | I got winamp to work in wine iirc |
| 07:03:31 | michaelol | cause everything uses the stupid install shield |
| 07:03:37 | thu | you can install stuff in wine |
| 07:03:39 | thu | just run the setup |
| 07:03:40 | michaelol | and the install shield makes it crash |
| 07:03:42 | michaelol | i know |
| 07:03:51 | michaelol | have you installed dreamweaver mx? |
| 07:03:54 | thu | hah no |
| 07:03:56 | michaelol | always crashes |
| 07:04:05 | michaelol | mirc and quicktime isntalled fine tho |
| 07:04:06 | thu | use vim |
| 07:04:18 | michaelol | does it show a spit screen like dreamweaver? |
| 07:04:25 | michaelol | half code have the finished product? |
| 07:04:42 | thu | umm no.. you write everything by hand from scratch |
| 07:05:04 | thu | Playing: Peter Katin, piano - Deux Nocturnes, Op. 48 No. 2 In F Sharp Minor [16282/16490] |
| 07:05:18 | * | thu loves Chopin's Nocturnes |
| 07:05:25 | michaelol | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2554900792&category=41466 want a mic like this |
| 07:05:28 | michaelol | with the case |
| 07:05:31 | michaelol | hehe |
| 07:05:39 | michaelol | and then ill cut a hole in the foam for my archos |
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| 07:43:51 | michaelol | hmm that one mic has pretty good reviews |
| 07:44:04 | michaelol | for 25 bucks on clearence (discontinued) for 9 bucks |
| 07:44:21 | michaelol | think ill pick up 2 and wire em so one is right and the other is left |
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| 15:26:09 | uski | hi |
| 15:26:35 | uski | anybody knows a good way to make a very high res photo ? i need to take a pic of a mod i did as i want to publish it |
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| 16:01:38 | MT | decent digi camera in macro mode |
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| 16:03:55 | uski | MT: hmmm ok, i think my cameraes won't do the job :\ (macro mode = distance >= 5cm, and 2Mpixels only) |
| 16:04:29 | MT | i got good results with a sony 4 MPixel camera in macro mode |
| 16:04:39 | MT | not sure what distance it can do |
| 16:04:45 | MT | but i got to about 2 cm away |
| 16:04:55 | uski | i haev a Toshiba PDR-M4 and a Canon IXUS 300 |
| 16:04:58 | uski | damn |
| 16:05:01 | uski | that's good |
| 16:05:14 | uski | i can't have less than 5 cm |
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| 17:06:03 | uski | i have a problem compiling rockbox |
| 17:06:04 | uski | i get this: |
| 17:06:05 | uski | /bin/sh: line 1: sh-elf-gcc: command not found |
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| 19:19:15 | LinusN | uski: you there? |
| 19:22:26 | uski | yea |
| 19:22:27 | uski | hi |
| 19:22:49 | LinusN | saw that you had compiling probs |
| 19:22:53 | uski | yes |
| 19:23:10 | LinusN | did you install the cross compiler? |
| 19:23:14 | uski | i am currently testing idc dragon's stuff for UART boot, but i need to have a non scrambled firmware |
| 19:23:21 | uski | so i decided to compile one, but it does not want to :) |
| 19:23:30 | uski | im using linux |
| 19:23:44 | uski | you mean gcc ? |
| 19:24:08 | LinusN | yes, the cross gcc for sh1 |
| 19:24:21 | uski | !! i did not |
| 19:24:36 | uski | can you tell me where i should get it ? |
| 19:24:44 | LinusN | http://rockbox.haxx.se/cross-gcc.html |
| 19:25:04 | uski | ok thanks |
| 19:25:26 | LinusN | or you could just rescramble a daily build |
| 19:25:33 | LinusN | descramble |
| 19:26:34 | uski | yea but as i plan to help developping/debugging rockbox i thought that i should be able to compile it :) |
| 19:28:52 | LinusN | then follow my instructions on the web page |
| 19:29:03 | uski | yea ok |
| 19:29:04 | uski | thanks |
| 19:29:08 | LinusN | yw |
| 19:29:23 | uski | [i'll try to use the lastest versions of the tools, and i'll tell you if it works so you can update the page if you want] |
| 19:29:46 | LinusN | ok |
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| 19:37:43 | uski | −−> LinusN (~linus@labb.contactor.se) a rejoint #rockbox |
| 19:37:44 | uski | <LinusN> uski: you there? |
| 19:37:44 | uski | <LinusN> saw that you had compiling probs |
| 19:37:50 | uski | funny, how did you saw that ? :) |
| 19:38:01 | uski | youre reading the logs on the website ? |
| 19:40:36 | LinusN | yes i am |
| 19:40:41 | uski | omfg, big brother is watching us |
| 19:40:48 | uski | :) |
| 19:40:52 | LinusN | :-) |
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| 19:55:45 | uski | oooo i have an idea... i would like to hear your opinion about it; some ADC pins are free on the CPU of the player, and i am sure it is the same for the recorder. |
| 19:56:06 | uski | uin order to save battery, why not using a photoresistor to switch on the backlight only when needed ? |
| 19:56:51 | LinusN | quite a cool idea |
| 19:57:17 | LinusN | all the A/D inputs are used on the recorder though |
| 19:57:31 | uski | ok, but is the lcd screen i2c ? |
| 19:57:40 | LinusN | no |
| 19:57:41 | uski | if yes, we can add a small ADC on the i2c port |
| 19:57:45 | uski | ok :\ |
| 19:57:57 | uski | is there any i2c port in the recorder ? |
| 19:58:02 | LinusN | but the RTC and the MAS are I2C devices |
| 19:58:15 | uski | ok so adding a small ADC could be done easily |
| 19:58:21 | LinusN | sure |
| 19:58:40 | uski | if i find some space to put a very small PCB, i could do the job... |
| 19:58:47 | LinusN | but we could use one of the less necessary AD inputs, some are only for debugging |
| 19:58:58 | uski | but i don't have a recorder to experiment with, i only have a player yet |
| 19:59:05 | uski | hmmm interesting |
| 19:59:13 | uski | brb in ~15mn |
| 19:59:18 | uski | lunch time |
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| 20:16:31 | uski | hi again |
| 20:16:58 | uski | i'll see if i have a photores on hand and i'll try to make some tests |
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| 21:11:25 | uski | LinusN: u there ? i get a funny error while compiling gcc, perhaps you already saw it ? :\ |
| 21:11:26 | uski | ../../../gcc-3.3.1/gcc/tsystem.h:72:19: stdio.h: No such file or directory |
| 21:11:26 | uski | ../../../gcc-3.3.1/gcc/tsystem.h:75:23: sys/types.h: No such file or directory |
| 21:11:43 | uski | and other includes that are on my system... |
| 21:22:48 | uski | it does it while using the cross compiler to do some tests |
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| 21:35:42 | michaelol | anyone know a program i could listen to my mic plugged into my cmoputer on my speakers in linux? |
| 21:40:50 | uski | ok, seems i fixed my compilation problem. |
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| 21:58:41 | uski | (seems to be a gcc 3.3.1 makefile bug) |
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| 22:37:30 | LinusN | uski: sorry, my kid refused to sleep |
| 22:39:14 | uski | np :)) |
| 22:39:18 | uski | it works now |
| 22:39:46 | LinusN | great |
| 22:39:52 | uski | well, the compiler works, but i still can't get idcdragon's stuff to work with my player; it does not want to load my rockbox.bin file |
| 22:40:00 | LinusN | huh? |
| 22:40:05 | uski | and he won't be here this evening unfortunately |
| 22:40:14 | uski | let me start from the beginning :) |
| 22:40:21 | uski | i salvaged an old archos player 6k |
| 22:40:29 | uski | without HDD |
| 22:40:34 | uski | so i made the UART boot mod |
| 22:40:45 | uski | and i use this platform to test idcdragon's uart boot stuff |
| 22:41:00 | LinusN | nice |
| 22:41:04 | dw|gone | \o/ LinusN \o/ Kråkan+mamma mu! \o/ |
| 22:41:06 | uski | so far, i was able to confirm him that is bootloader is working in player models |
| 22:41:19 | uski | but => no way to load a real firmware |
| 22:41:27 | uski | it fails and i don't know why |
| 22:41:35 | LinusN | dw|gone: MED FLAX! |
| 22:41:46 | uski | also i plan to publish pictures of my uart boot mod as nobody already did it for player models |
| 22:41:57 | LinusN | uski: great |
| 22:42:32 | thu | michaelol: aumix |
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| 22:58:37 | uski | LinusN: it seems you are one of the core developpers; i'd need your help if you have some minutes... |
| 22:58:49 | LinusN | shoot |
| 22:59:05 | uski | i finally managed to boot and run firmware from the serial port |
| 22:59:17 | uski | but, this rockbox seems to crash, and i don't know why |
| 22:59:37 | uski | i added some test code into rockbox (led(true) sleep(50) led(false)) into the tick code |
| 22:59:41 | uski | and the led does not flash |
| 22:59:43 | uski | but |
| 22:59:52 | uski | the backlight shut down when the firmware load |
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| 23:00:03 | uski | and when i press a keypress it starts again for 1.5secs |
| 23:00:12 | uski | so it seems that only part of the firmware is alive |
| 23:00:30 | uski | do you have a theory that could explain this ? or, better, do you have any way to diagnose what fails ? :) |
| 23:00:31 | LinusN | first of all, which ROM version is this player? |
| 23:00:52 | uski | hmm, no idea |
| 23:01:04 | uski | but it is a very old player |
| 23:01:04 | LinusN | secondly, you can't sleep() in the tick code |
| 23:01:09 | uski | lol |
| 23:01:15 | uski | because it is an interrupt ? |
| 23:01:24 | LinusN | because sleep() counts ticks |
| 23:01:43 | LinusN | and because it's an interrupt |
| 23:02:02 | uski | ok. so i remove sleep(50)... |
| 23:02:26 | uski | if you want i can de-solder a wire to remove the uart boot to see the ROM version |
| 23:02:34 | uski | is it important ? |
| 23:02:48 | LinusN | not really |
| 23:03:02 | LinusN | you need to know for two reasons |
| 23:03:27 | LinusN | the LCD is different, and the hard drive power control is onlt available on the newer models |
| 23:04:14 | uski | ok. give me 2minutes to answer. |
| 23:07:25 | michaelol | just got a kickass set of mics |
| 23:07:30 | uski | hmmm. it does not display the version number |
| 23:07:32 | michaelol | 9 dollars each |
| 23:07:35 | michaelol | at circuit city |
| 23:07:40 | michaelol | works great on my archos |
| 23:07:47 | michaelol | gunna make em sterio one left one right |
| 23:07:51 | uski | i can look on the flash dump if there is any info... |
| 23:07:59 | uski | michaelol: :) |
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| 23:09:41 | LinusN | uski: does it start when you insert the charger? |
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| 23:10:12 | uski | i mean it displays something: HD error, |
| 23:10:17 | uski | but it is normal as i don't have any HD :\ |
| 23:10:29 | uski | but these stupid archos coders don't show the version when there is a DH error |
| 23:10:47 | LinusN | i mean, does it start up by just inserting the charger, or do you have to press ON? |
| 23:11:32 | uski | lol: don't know, i don't have the charger. wait, i take mpy father's charger (he also have a (working) jukebox 6000) |
| 23:12:45 | uski | it starts |
| 23:13:45 | uski | hmmm |
| 23:13:59 | uski | it starts "electronically" but it does not seem to boot |
| 23:14:11 | LinusN | ok, then you have a newplayer |
| 23:14:32 | uski | hmmm |
| 23:14:37 | uski | it was one of the first units |
| 23:14:46 | uski | it is full of wires soldered everywhere by archos |
| 23:14:51 | LinusN | which means that you have a new type of display, and that you have to programmatically turn on the power to the HD |
| 23:14:53 | uski | are you sure it is not a old-old-model ? :) |
| 23:15:18 | LinusN | well, define "start electronically" |
| 23:15:34 | uski | ok. but why rockbox works when loaded by archos firmware as archos.mod ? |
| 23:15:44 | LinusN | ??? |
| 23:15:49 | uski | electronically = the green led light up |
| 23:15:52 | uski | but nothing on the screen |
| 23:16:01 | LinusN | ok |
| 23:16:19 | uski | <uski> ok. but why rockbox works when loaded by archos firmware as archos.mod ? |
| 23:16:21 | uski | i mean |
| 23:16:35 | LinusN | i know now what you mean |
| 23:16:36 | uski | why xould the lcd works only when rockbox is loaded from the HDD ? |
| 23:16:42 | uski | because rockbox was running on this player |
| 23:16:51 | LinusN | because the LCD is initialized by the ROM fw |
| 23:17:10 | uski | hmmmm |
| 23:17:23 | LinusN | rockbox doesn't init the player lcd |
| 23:17:27 | uski | and nobody knows how to initialize it ? :) |
| 23:17:34 | uski | aaw |
| 23:17:42 | LinusN | we haven't had the need to yet |
| 23:17:47 | uski | hmmm |
| 23:17:48 | LinusN | now we do |
| 23:18:03 | uski | on the cvs build ? |
| 23:18:13 | LinusN | regarding your LED blink test, you should move it to main.c |
| 23:18:23 | LinusN | now we do have a need to init it |
| 23:18:49 | LinusN | we have no init code yet |
| 23:19:00 | uski | ok. |
| 23:19:24 | uski | not sure if i can make the code myself... |
| 23:19:34 | LinusN | insert a led blink loop in the init code in main.c |
| 23:20:07 | LinusN | with a busy loop instead of sleep() |
| 23:21:06 | LinusN | or just call panicf() |
| 23:21:13 | LinusN | panicf("My test"); |
| 23:21:29 | LinusN | that will blink the LED |
| 23:22:53 | uski | hmm |
| 23:22:57 | uski | i did this mod: |
| 23:23:05 | uski | led(true); sleep(HZ); |
| 23:23:05 | uski | led(false); sleep(HZ); |
| 23:23:05 | uski | system_init(); |
| 23:23:05 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK uski |
| 23:23:05 | uski | led(true); sleep(HZ); |
| 23:23:05 | uski | led(false); sleep(HZ); |
| 23:23:05 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 23:23:05 | uski | kernel_init(); |
| 23:23:07 | uski | led(true); sleep(HZ); |
| 23:23:09 | uski | led(false); sleep(HZ); |
| 23:23:11 | uski | settings_reset(); |
| 23:23:13 | uski | will tell me where it fails |
| 23:23:16 | LinusN | that will not work |
| 23:23:20 | uski | by counting how many blinks i get |
| 23:23:23 | uski | huh ? |
| 23:23:29 | uski | damn, next time i listen you :) |
| 23:23:34 | uski | ok i do panicf :) |
| 23:23:48 | LinusN | sleep() will not work until you have called kernel_init() |
| 23:24:16 | uski | ok, and when will panicf() work ? |
| 23:24:37 | LinusN | panicf() always works |
| 23:24:40 | uski | ok :) |
| 23:25:03 | LinusN | correction: sleep() will not work until after " set_irq_level(0);" |
| 23:27:30 | uski | ok |
| 23:27:43 | uski | im downloading the test build right now... |
| 23:28:04 | uski | s/downloading/"uploading to the archos"/ |
| 23:28:28 | uski | (just to be sure it boots) |
| 23:28:49 | LinusN | it's a pity that the Players can't have a higher baudrate |
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| 23:30:04 | uski | => the led does not flash |
| 23:30:10 | LinusN | buah! |
| 23:30:16 | uski | yea, buah :\ |
| 23:30:17 | LinusN | where did you put it? |
| 23:30:45 | uski | hmm let me do some other tests |
| 23:30:45 | uski | system_init(); |
| 23:30:45 | uski | kernel_init(); |
| 23:30:45 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 23:30:45 | uski | panicf("My test"); |
| 23:30:51 | uski | i should put panicf at the first line |
| 23:30:57 | LinusN | do so |
| 23:31:02 | uski | yea, 1min :) |
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| 23:32:05 | uski | uploading... |
| 23:32:11 | uski | what's the problem with player's baudrate btw ? |
| 23:32:25 | Norrin | Hello all. Tragic news today. Managed to drop my FM Recorder from about 6 ft by accident. |
| 23:32:27 | uski | the CPU is the same isn't it ? if yes, why can't we set the same baudrate ? |
| 23:32:52 | LinusN | Norrin: sadness |
| 23:32:52 | uski | Norrin: :\ and the HDD is dead i guess ? |
| 23:32:54 | Norrin | Now it won't start up. Definite HD problem. Any hope for this or should I start looking for another HD? |
| 23:33:09 | uski | what do you mean by "it does not start up" ? |
| 23:33:13 | LinusN | uski: the oscillator frequency isn'e easily divided |
| 23:33:26 | LinusN | Norrin: mechanical sounds? |
| 23:33:38 | Norrin | I get the ROCKBOX logo then it debugs and comes up with info on the screen. |
| 23:33:39 | uski | LinusN: ok; if i change the crystal, will i be able to set another baudrate ? |
| 23:33:57 | LinusN | Norrin: have you flashed it? |
| 23:34:00 | Norrin | Yep, you can hear the head searching or at least something is going on. |
| 23:34:03 | LinusN | uski: yes |
| 23:34:20 | Norrin | Yep, it flashed with the 0902 version daily build. |
| 23:34:24 | uski | LinusN: ok :] do you know what value i should use ? |
| 23:34:31 | uski | Norrin: what info does it displays ? |
| 23:34:46 | Norrin | Standby. I'll reboot it and transcribe. |
| 23:34:52 | uski | LinusN: does not flash, with the panicf at the first line of init. |
| 23:34:54 | LinusN | Norrin: you should try another HD |
| 23:34:59 | uski | Norrin: ok. |
| 23:35:35 | LinusN | uski: isn't the baud rate set by the archos firmware in your case? |
| 23:35:58 | uski | it is. what happen is that first [idc]dragons's program upload a special bootloader |
| 23:36:08 | uski | then this bootloader waits for the firmware to come on the serial port |
| 23:36:11 | uski | then it starts it |
| 23:36:16 | LinusN | aha, so the bootloader works? |
| 23:36:18 | uski | i know the bootloader works because itr has a "blink led" mode |
| 23:36:37 | LinusN | it blinks as it downloads the data? |
| 23:36:54 | uski | nah, it blinks, simply blink, just to tell "i'm alive" |
| 23:36:56 | uski | it is a separate mode |
| 23:37:05 | uski | i.e. 2 modes: |
| 23:37:09 | uski | 1) blink led test mode |
| 23:37:12 | uski | 2) bootloader mode |
| 23:37:39 | uski | you can switch from one mode to another mode by sending commands to the serial port |
| 23:37:49 | Norrin | PADR: 8a7f PBDR: b8bf AN0:3ff AN1: 3ff AN2: 001-005 AN3: 3FF AN4: 008-00B AN5: 001-005 AN6: 1bb-1c0 AN7: 000-003 |
| 23:38:05 | Norrin | ATA: master, 0x0 Batt: 3.60V 38% |
| 23:38:11 | LinusN | how do you know that the download works? |
| 23:38:36 | uski | LinusN: actually... i don't. and [idc]dragon did not send me the source code of his bootloader so i can't do any debugging action on it |
| 23:38:46 | uski | now i think that his bootloader has a problem with players |
| 23:38:49 | LinusN | Norrin: your hard drive may be dead, but i suggest you check that the connections are ok |
| 23:39:19 | LinusN | idcdragon is kind of secretive about his code |
| 23:39:33 | uski | LinusN: -or- it expects a special format firmware; i'll try compiling a recorder firmware (with the panicf test) and upload it to my player |
| 23:39:46 | Norrin | Pulled the HD, looked it over, put it back. Still does the same thing. |
| 23:40:06 | LinusN | Norrin: well, you should try another hd... |
| 23:40:35 | Norrin | Curious if I pull the HD, connect to main computer using 2.5 converter (I already have one), then run a HD utility against it |
| 23:40:46 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 23:40:49 | LinusN | Norrin: do that |
| 23:40:52 | uski | LinusN: i'll see with him... but now i do the test of putting the recorder firmware, i think (hope) it is harmless (it might do short circuits if it pulls down a line that is up, or put up a line that is down) |
| 23:41:00 | Norrin | Any suggested HD for cheap. The one I just killed was a 40GB IBM. |
| 23:41:15 | LinusN | uski: i wouldn't do that |
| 23:41:31 | uski | LinusN: ok; if you wouldn't do it, i won't do it ;) |
| 23:41:32 | LinusN | Norrin: ouch |
| 23:42:05 | LinusN | uski: there is no difference between player and recorder images |
| 23:42:28 | uski | LinusN: hmmm ok :\ |
| 23:42:46 | LinusN | Norrin: I have a Toshiba 40Gb in my recorder. works splendidly |
| 23:44:07 | Norrin | Now that I may be considering a replacement, is the Archos still the way to go or is there other MP3 players available now which are better? |
| 23:44:44 | LinusN | Norrin: i don't know, i haven't looked at other players, since i am happy with my archos |
| 23:45:18 | Norrin | Thanks for the assist LinusN. Where did you get your Toshiba drive? |
| 23:45:29 | LinusN | but afaik, if you want a plain Mass Storage Device without DRM, i guess archos is about your only choice |
| 23:45:29 | uski | LinusN: should i post a feature request "can you please init the lcd for players ?" :) |
| 23:45:39 | uski | DRM ? |
| 23:45:40 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:45:44 | uski | what's that |
| 23:45:49 | LinusN | Digital Rights Management |
| 23:45:52 | uski | oh ok |
| 23:46:26 | LinusN | uski: when you get your boot loader running, i'll help you with the lcd |
| 23:47:09 | uski | ok... i have to wait for idcdragon... i can't do anything now, i need to see his code (or he needs to debug it) |
| 23:47:28 | LinusN | pity |
| 23:47:44 | LinusN | i wonder why he is so reluctant to give out the source |
| 23:47:57 | uski | i understand this... i used to be as him |
| 23:48:09 | LinusN | please explain |
| 23:48:28 | uski | don't know really... you feel like people might take off your work... |
| 23:48:39 | uski | and one day, poof, you start giving out anything |
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| 23:48:47 | uski | i don't know why i did not want to give out my source code |
| 23:48:52 | uski | perhaps he has other reasons |
| 23:49:39 | LinusN | you mean that you keep the source to make sure that you stay "in the loop"? |
| 23:49:51 | uski | hmm |
| 23:50:05 | uski | it might be a reason |
| 23:50:33 | uski | also you might simply don't want others to see your code, because you find it dirty (even if it is not) |
| 23:50:39 | LinusN | or because you donät want people nitpicking about how you solved things? |
| 23:50:57 | uski | nitpicking ? |
| 23:51:16 | uski | oh yea, you mean "because you does not want people to know how you solved things ?" ? |
| 23:51:17 | LinusN | well, complaining, nagging |
| 23:51:22 | uski | oh ok |
| 23:51:25 | uski | hmm perhaps |
| 23:51:35 | LinusN | well well |
| 23:52:03 | uski | you think like this: "i spent hours for making this code, i don't want to get into trouble and to have epople asking me "why did you this, it is dirty" |
| 23:52:13 | uski | "i already spent too much time on it" and so on |
| 23:52:15 | LinusN | i understand |
| 23:52:29 | LinusN | btw, have you run rockbox at all on the player? |
| 23:52:35 | uski | yes |
| 23:52:45 | LinusN | how did the "rockbox" splash look like? |
| 23:52:57 | uski | but a long time ago (this archos was a freidn's and he gave it to me when his HDD died) |
| 23:53:08 | uski | oh i can't start it now |
| 23:53:12 | uski | i don't have a HD |
| 23:53:29 | uski | and i can't take the one of my father's archos because of this stupuid warranty |
| 23:53:46 | uski | oops, s/father/brother/ ... |
| 23:53:54 | LinusN | do you remember if the "Rockbox" splash occupied both lines or only one? |
| 23:54:10 | uski | i can ask to my friend |
| 23:54:21 | uski | w8 |
| 23:54:31 | LinusN | if it occupied both lines, then it is a NewPlayer |
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| 23:55:57 | LinusN | only the new LCD can do double height text |
| 23:56:41 | uski | ok... let's wait for his answer |
| 23:57:44 | uski | got him: 2 lines |
| 23:57:50 | uski | so it's a newplayer... |
| 23:58:08 | LinusN | ok |
| 23:59:00 | uski | when i start idcdragon's soft, it says "filename of executable for 0x09000000:0x09000200" |
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