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#rockbox log for 2003-10-09

00:02:06***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
00:03:30 Join Zagor [242] (bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se)
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00:14:48 Quit edx` ()
00:22:51 Join midknight2k3 [0] (LeLaLeLA@AC9DC66F.ipt.aol.com)
00:23:15midknight2k3hello
00:23:32Plughafternoon
00:23:44midknight2k3forgot the "mid"
00:23:48Plughmid
00:23:50PlughDING
00:23:56[GoE]BENtheTENmidnight
00:27:49midknight2k3hey plug
00:31:07 Join track [0] (jirc@ACBEDC97.ipt.aol.com)
00:31:42trackhello
00:31:50midknight2k3hi
00:33:00trackZagor hi :-)
00:38:45trackhello
00:38:48trackeveryone
00:39:27 Join kerbe6 [0] (~kerbe6@ip68-98-229-156.ph.ph.cox.net)
00:39:54kerbe6Can anyone help me with a (hopefully) simple Rockbox programming question?
00:40:19kerbe6I just started messing with the code today and i have some questions
00:40:46trackask Zagor
00:40:50trackhes' the man
00:41:17Zagorkerbe6: sure thing
00:41:17kerbe6lol
00:41:22kerbe6cool thx
00:42:17kerbe6well I wanted to add a new menu to the main menu...under that menu there is another menu with one item..."Race"
00:42:37kerbe6when i compile i am getting an error: LANG_RACE undeclared
00:42:52kerbe6where and how do I declare that menu item?
00:43:25ZagorLANG_RACE is not a menu item, it's a string. you add it to apps/lang/english.lang
00:43:31kerbe6sorry if it sounds like a st00pid question =0)
00:43:36kerbe6ahh
00:43:38kerbe6ok
00:43:38Zagordon't worry
00:43:42kerbe6i'll try that
00:43:46kerbe6thx
00:43:50Zagoryou're welcome
00:49:23trackhi
00:49:38 Nick [GoE]BENtheTEN is now known as [OFF]BtT (~quasi@80.238.199.45)
00:51:27kerbe6Ok 2 new errors Zagor =0)
00:51:33kerbe6/home/rockbox/build_dir/gamez_menu.o: In function 'gamez_menu' :
00:51:33kerbe6/home/rockbox/build_dir/gamez_menu.o(.text+0x44): undefined reference to 'race'
00:51:48kerbe6'rit is referring to:
00:51:57kerbe6{ str(LANG_RACE), race },
00:52:20Zagoryou need a function called 'race', that the menu can call when the user selects it
00:52:27midknight2k3making a game, kerbe6
00:52:28midknight2k3?
00:52:39kerbe6lol yeah
00:52:43kerbe6fer the Player
00:52:51kerbe6ok thx Zagor
00:53:14Zagoryou should make the game a plugin, if possible
00:53:20kerbe6i wish i wouldv spent the extra fer the recorder
00:53:25trackis this a recorder or a player
00:53:28kerbe6how do i go about making it a olugin?
00:53:32kerbe6Player
00:53:36midknight2k3track
00:53:38midknight2k315:52:21 | <kerbe6> fer the Player
00:53:40trackhi
00:54:09trackZagor will the Recorder get the Jackpot game? I know the Player has it
00:54:20Zagortrack: ask he who wrote it
00:54:24midknight2k3not unless someone codes it tracj
00:54:44trackok
00:54:55trackwell I don't know who wrote Jackbot
00:55:22trackit should be called trackpot :-)
00:55:34 Quit track ("Leaving")
00:55:41 Join track [0] (jirc@ACBEDC97.ipt.aol.com)
00:55:49midknight2k3good one
00:55:57trackhi
00:56:21midknight2k3private chat track
00:56:21kerbe6where can i get games fer the Player? like the Kackpot game you guys are talking about
00:56:30kerbe6*jackpot
00:56:33trackplayers can't play games
00:56:38midknight2k3yes they can
00:56:40midknight2k3dont listen to track
00:56:49tracknot graphical games
00:57:35kerbe6ahh ok
00:57:47midknight2k3yeah
00:57:52midknight2k3jackpot is graphical
00:57:56kerbe6ic
00:59:24trackI always wonder if the LCD in the recorder can be swapped for a color LCD out of a digital camera"
01:00
01:00:05kerbe6there wouold probably more tan that that would have to be swapped
01:00:10kerbe6oh
01:00:11kerbe6nm
01:00:20kerbe6i thought you typed sumthing else lol
01:00:33trackyea you would have to change the backlight LEDs to white
01:00:35midknight2k3still its gotta be real hard
01:00:39midknight2k3n you wouldnt
01:01:06trackmightknight u should be apologising to Zagor
01:01:07track:P
01:01:26midknight2k3i trie
01:01:30midknight2k3sorry zagor sorry
01:01:44Zagordon't apologise. just behave.
01:01:54 Join ClosetPacifist [0] (~ClosetPac@newppp06.ts3-3.NewportNews.visi.net)
01:02:05midknight2k3i will
01:06:42trackF3 is missing
01:07:21 Join Gazel [0] (~jirc@vaugirard-1-81-57-77-26.fbx.proxad.net)
01:08:05trackZagor when I choose Firmware theres none to choose even there are multiple .ajzs on the Archos
01:08:22midknight2k3it only browses .rockbox
01:08:35midknight2k3i think that patch is not very good
01:08:46midknight2k3unless you include diddystar's patch for it
01:08:49midknight2k3to move it to F2
01:09:01midknight2k3it clutters stuff.. a lot
01:09:24tracki think the patch is useless
01:09:30midknight2k3i'll say
01:09:35midknight2k3if i want something, I'll go get it
01:09:55midknight2k3it's easier to go to .rockbox instead of going through menus and then exiting before oyu even decide what you want
01:10:08midknight2k3on top of that, it makes about 6 new options in General settings
01:10:14trackok
01:10:15midknight2k3i find it ug-ly
01:10:28trackwhat is that background whine on the Archos firmware?
01:10:39midknight2k3it's always like that
01:10:55trackyes but what causes it?
01:10:56 Quit kerbe6 (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
01:10:56NSplitorwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
01:10:56 Quit mecraw__ (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
01:10:59midknight2k3nothing
01:11:03midknight2k3its just a bug
01:11:20NHealorwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net
01:11:20NJoinkerbe6 [0] (~kerbe6@ip68-98-229-156.ph.ph.cox.net)
01:11:20NJoinmecraw__ [0] (~mecraw@69.2.235.2)
01:11:22trackand on the Archos firmware u cant make the volume silent
01:11:26midknight2k3i know that
01:11:37midknight2k3and did you know on the archos firmware you can't play games?
01:11:55trackwell you can have lots of fun with the sliders
01:12:08midknight2k3they are ugly
01:12:12midknight2k3try the NEW sliders patch
01:13:08trackwhen the screen is inverted the outer frame is not invertedf
01:13:17midknight2k3i know that
01:13:22midknight2k3its an LCD thing
01:14:09trackand the Player has no invert
01:14:09track:D
01:14:11tracklol
01:14:12trackjoke!
01:14:21 Quit mecraw__ (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
01:14:21 Quit kerbe6 (orwell.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
01:14:22midknight2k3but it does
01:14:36trackno it doesn't
01:14:39midknight2k3at least in photoshop
01:14:46midknight2k3it could actually track
01:14:51midknight2k3the cells could be inverted
01:14:55midknight2k3on newer ones
01:15:09trackor u can hardware mod it
01:15:21midknight2k3or u can invert it without moddin git
01:15:38trackremove the polarizor on the front and flip it round, screen inverted
01:15:49trackits a special sheet of plastic the polarizor
01:15:49midknight2k3uh
01:16:00midknight2k3the plastic cover, ... is plastic
01:16:12trackno on the LCD screen itself
01:16:18midknight2k3that won't work
01:16:48NJoinmecraw__ [0] (~mecraw@69.2.235.2)
01:17:11trackwell just invert the charachter cells then
01:17:28midknight2k3right
01:17:37midknight2k3but you cant
01:17:44midknight2k3i was thinking wrong
01:17:45trackwhy not?
01:17:50midknight2k3nothing
01:17:51trackthey are made up of pixels
01:17:55midknight2k3so?
01:18:07midknight2k3they only allow for a certain number to be custom
01:18:10midknight2k34 or 8
01:18:13midknight2k3theres 22 on there
01:18:17midknight2k3what do you presume we do?
01:18:24midknight2k3invert half of one line?
01:18:35trackanyway it wasnt Photoshop I used it was Paint Shop Pro
01:19:09midknight2k3where did you learn to subject-change like that?
01:19:19tracknuffing
01:19:51NJoinkerbe6 [0] (~kerbe6@ip68-98-229-156.ph.ph.cox.net)
01:19:52 Quit kerbe6 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))
01:20:38 Quit mecraw__ ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)")
01:22:12tracki wanna charge my archos via the USB
01:22:14trackis it possible?
01:22:21midknight2k3fm recorder can
01:22:24midknight2k3recorders can
01:22:26midknight2k3not
01:22:30midknight2k3fm recorder can
01:22:34midknight2k3recorders cant
01:22:51trackwell write a software USB charger then :D
01:22:52tracklol
01:22:56midknight2k3lol
01:23:12midknight2k3it comes in handy when you're out of battery and cant find the charger
01:23:26trackyea
01:23:39GazelHi all. by the way i would like to tell you about that what is happening on my JB FMR
01:23:39tracklol
01:23:50tracksqueeze an entire cover into one of the.............
01:24:10midknight2k3gazel: ?
01:24:12midknight2k3sure
01:24:22Gazeli begin( hehe) :
01:24:27midknight2k3okay
01:24:28midknight2k3lol
01:24:29GazelI have let it usb-connected to my pc all night. The pc was shut-off, but even when it is off, the mouse is lightened and the archos seems to stay powered too.
01:24:50Gazelin the morning, the JB was off
01:24:59Gazeland couldn't power on
01:25:03trackyour PC is in standby mode
01:25:10midknight2k3track: no
01:25:17midknight2k3it was off gazel said
01:25:19Gazelnope. but anyway it's not the problem.
01:25:25midknight2k3go on
01:25:42Gazeli had flashed the JB, it was working fine
01:26:11Gazelanyway i cant' power it on, and it only makes some noises
01:26:21midknight2k3try F1+on
01:26:24Gazelthe disk is not spinning up
01:26:42GazelF1 on does nothing
01:26:54Gazeli have more to say :) :
01:27:01midknight2k3i have an idea, but go on
01:27:33 Join diddystar5 [0] (diddystar5@ACA23421.ipt.aol.com)
01:27:39midknight2k3hi diddy
01:27:39Gazelit has fallen a week ago, and by luck, i could make the HD work again by "slapping" it when i was deseperated
01:28:11Gazelso maybe the HD is not perfect now, even if i have uesed i for one week again
01:28:23Gazelwith no problem
01:28:38midknight2k3ok
01:29:10Gazeland now : i have open it, and i can make the charghing screen appear again when it is plugged to the charger, but no boot is possible
01:29:31Gazelonly charging noise, and battery said full
01:29:32trackjust throw it at a wall then it will work :-)
01:30:19trackthrow it at Zagor it will instantly fix :-)
01:30:24midknight2k3lol
01:30:29Gazelhehe... So the first question is : could a too long (even usb) charge be the faulty thing ?
01:30:52midknight2k3perhaps
01:30:59midknight2k3it probably overran the hard drive
01:31:00Gazelit makes quite a noise when the charging screen is on
01:31:02midknight2k3if it was on all night
01:31:23midknight2k3the charging screen runs the hard drvie
01:31:25midknight2k3drive*
01:31:50midknight2k3its likely
01:32:10Gazeloh, that's a first info... but it seemed the charging was "silent", i heard no drive spinning
01:32:43midknight2k3it does when it is charging, dunno why
01:32:46midknight2k3oho
01:32:47midknight2k3wait
01:32:52midknight2k3maybe the drive was stuck
01:33:00 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting")
01:33:03midknight2k3and it was groaning as it tried to spin up
01:33:24midknight2k3i've solved the case
01:33:26midknight2k3i hope
01:33:27midknight2k3lol
01:33:32Gazelyes, maybe.. :)
01:33:52midknight2k3most likely
01:34:06Gazela second question is : (if you have also a FMR) does the battery makes noise when it is charging, near full ?
01:34:15midknight2k3not often
01:34:42Gazelbecause mine has always made such a noise, but the more it was charged, the more noise it was making
01:34:58Gazellike at the moment, since the battery is full
01:36:04 Quit track ("Leaving")
01:36:05midknight2k3does it boot?
01:36:11midknight2k3WHAT A ..
01:36:12midknight2k3ARCH
01:36:14midknight2k3ARGH
01:36:18Gazelno, that's the problem !
01:36:25midknight2k3o
01:36:31midknight2k3does it make groaning noises?
01:36:51Gazelno noise from the drive at the moment
01:36:57midknight2k3maybe its dead
01:37:55midknight2k3most likely
01:38:06Gazelwhen i tried first to boot it, it heard some scraping noise decreasing while i was keeping the "on" button depressed
01:38:27midknight2k3there is your problem
01:38:32midknight2k3i've solved the case, sap'n
01:38:36midknight2k3cap'n
01:38:40midknight2k3or should i say crap'n
01:38:44midknight2k3your hard drive is dead
01:38:50Gazellike the very early start of spinning of the drive, but like not enough power
01:39:05Gazelyes... maybe
01:39:14midknight2k3more than likely
01:39:18midknight2k3all the right symptoms
01:39:36Gazelwhat is strange is that it be due to usb charging...
01:39:50midknight2k3well
01:39:54Gazelanyway, thx.
01:39:54midknight2k3charging in general
01:40:13midknight2k3if it charges long, the hard drive (which is spinning - a bug) will get hot and overheat
01:40:20midknight2k3it might overheat that is
01:40:46midknight2k3and during that time if it tries to lock or unlock its heads it will likely have trouble
01:40:51midknight2k3and keep going until it happens
01:40:57midknight2k3sometimes, till it dies
01:41:19Gazelok...interesting. I had already let it charge all night with charger with no trouble.
01:41:31midknight2k3slow deatg
01:41:33midknight2k3lol
01:41:36midknight2k3death*
01:42:17Gazelalso to speak about the fall problem 2 week ago : after that, the drive was really making big mechanical noises
01:42:41midknight2k3that sounds like one ABUSED drive
01:43:43Gazellike dead drives, impossible to "hook"... And it really started again wafter i hit it with my hand :)... a thing to now for other hard-drives...
01:44:18Gazelwhich we thing are dead, but could maybe live again
01:44:28midknight2k3or we can toss off the roof and bust
01:44:32midknight2k3i find that method funner
01:45:45 Join kerbe6 [0] (~kerbe6@ip68-98-229-156.ph.ph.cox.net)
01:45:56kerbe6hello
01:45:56kerbe6what does "'for' loop initial declaration used outside C99 mode" mean?
01:46:06midknight2k3never heard of it
01:46:18kerbe6=0(
01:46:24Gazelmid : hehe... one old drive i use as a mirror
01:46:26midknight2k3sorry
01:46:31midknight2k3lol
01:46:33kerbe6its ok
01:47:02kerbe6fer wome reason its giving me that error wen i compile...its just a small simple for loop
01:47:02kerbe6lol
01:47:32Gazellol
02:00
02:02:07***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
02:05:35Gazelanother thing : i have it open, charger-connected. If i don't press with my fingers on the top part to make contact, nothing happens. ok.
02:05:35 Quit kerbe6 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
02:05:42GazelIf I press fully then release, the charging-screen appear with the charging noise, stays for a few seconds and turns off (maybe because the battery is full).
02:05:48GazelIf I press fully and hold it like that, the power and screen lights blink endlessly at the same time i get a rapid "tap tap" noise (maybe the drive).
02:06:00midknight2k3its dead
02:06:02midknight2k3must be
02:06:15midknight2k3it wont exit charge screen if battery is full
02:06:43Gazelah...
02:07:27Gazelok i will try to use the warranty / or remove the drive and test it, then buy another one ;(
02:07:42midknight2k3ok
02:07:43Gazeland thx again
02:07:47midknight2k3if you dont want it give it to me
02:07:47midknight2k3lol
02:08:13Gazelbroken drive ? hehe...
02:08:22midknight2k3sure
02:08:22midknight2k3lol
02:08:34Gazelare you in europe or america ?
02:08:47midknight2k3americal
02:08:51midknight2k3america
02:09:07Gazeli'm in France... time to sleep !
02:09:21midknight2k3ok bye
02:09:27midknight2k3i want the dead thing if you dont
02:09:28midknight2k3bye
02:09:29Gazelbye
02:09:29midknight2k3night
02:09:40Gazelty
02:09:40 Quit Gazel ("Leaving")
02:16:15diddystar5bye
02:16:18 Part diddystar5 ("Client exiting")
02:17:39 Join top_bloke [0] (Email@1Cust222.tnt5.chi15.da.uu.net)
02:18:49midknight2k3hi.. toppy
02:18:55top_blokehello
02:19:12midknight2k3do you disklike it when i call you toppy?
02:19:18top_blokekind of
02:19:21top_blokeyeah
02:19:23midknight2k3i'll stop
02:19:26midknight2k3sorry
02:19:36top_bloketoppy
02:19:38top_blokelol
02:19:42midknight2k3its funny
02:19:46top_blokei know
02:19:46midknight2k3but inconsiderate
02:19:55top_blokenot really
02:20:07midknight2k3i dislike being mean to top_bloke
02:20:27top_blokenow top_bloke sounds too formal
02:20:33midknight2k3its easy tho
02:20:36midknight2k3type T then hit tab
02:20:39midknight2k3err
02:20:39top_blokewith t tab
02:20:43midknight2k3t<tab>
02:20:44top_blokeyeah
02:20:47midknight2k3lol
02:20:49midknight2k3how about
02:20:54midknight2k3top
02:20:59midknight2k3what do you wanna be called
02:21:12top_blokewhatever
02:21:24midknight2k3top then i guess
02:21:26midknight2k3top bloke
02:21:27midknight2k3whatever
02:22:04top_blokeyup
02:22:26midknight2k3JELY
02:22:36top_bloke?
02:22:51top_blokejelly?
02:22:57midknight2k3yeah
02:23:40top_blokeok
02:26:44top_blokei wish the playlist viewer could be the wps
02:26:52midknight2k3lol
02:26:53top_blokethat would be sweet
02:27:03midknight2k3if you didnt delete cygwin it coulda been
02:27:19top_blokewell
02:27:26midknight2k3maybe now
02:27:28midknight2k3not*
02:27:29midknight2k3lol
02:27:37top_blokeyeah i acted without thinking
02:27:50midknight2k3when you deleted it?
02:27:59top_blokeyeah
02:28:07midknight2k3dumb thing to do
02:28:16top_blokeis it possible to have playlist viewer as wps?
02:28:25midknight2k3with modding, anything is possible
02:28:26midknight2k3well
02:28:34midknight2k3anything within reality is possible
02:29:06top_blokewould take a lot of messing with code though
02:29:12midknight2k3yeah
02:29:13midknight2k3still
02:29:16midknight2k3lots is possible
02:29:19midknight2k3even with little mods
02:29:28top_blokewhich i cant do
02:29:33top_blokeso its moot
02:29:33midknight2k3my first was a jump in scroll speed from 10 to 15
02:29:40midknight2k3i couldnt either
02:29:47midknight2k3all i learned without help
02:29:48midknight2k3mainly
02:29:56top_blokewow
02:30:04midknight2k3yeah
02:30:08midknight2k3you just go with the flow
02:30:28top_blokethat sounds good
02:30:35midknight2k3you should try it
02:30:50top_blokeyeah
02:31:14midknight2k3when something wont work, you read the error and try to fix it
02:31:18midknight2k3just trial and error is all
02:31:22top_blokeor maybe if i could just open the playlist with f2
02:31:33midknight2k3you could
02:31:39midknight2k3pretty simply i think
02:31:39top_blokeis there an emulator for the archos or something?
02:31:42midknight2k3yeah
02:32:01top_bloketo test out code without putting it on the actual thing
02:32:15midknight2k3requires a big download though
02:32:23top_blokeboo
02:32:26midknight2k3lol
02:32:29midknight2k3flashing is fun
02:32:31midknight2k3and quick
02:32:35top_blokethat sucks
02:32:46top_blokebut it doesnt solve my problem
02:32:55top_blokeof the playlist viewer
02:33:03midknight2k3well
02:33:30midknight2k3i can try
02:33:32midknight2k3i guess
02:33:42top_blokei need the full cygwin?
02:34:01midknight2k3?
02:34:17midknight2k3if it was a plugin, the playlist viewer, ti would be EASY
02:34:22midknight2k3but its not is it
02:34:32top_blokewell it is
02:34:38top_blokeand it was hard
02:34:42midknight2k3?
02:34:52midknight2k3its a plugin?
02:34:56top_blokei was trying to apply that patch
02:35:04top_blokeno
02:35:09midknight2k3rats
02:35:09top_blokeoooohhhh
02:35:14top_blokesorry
02:35:19midknight2k3what
02:35:19top_blokei thought u meant patch
02:35:24top_blokenot plugin
02:35:28midknight2k3oh
02:35:43top_blokeplaylist viewer is patch but not plugin
02:35:56midknight2k3let me try the f2 thing
02:36:04midknight2k3at best i may be able to call it from the PLAY button
02:36:05top_blokewell f3 actually
02:36:12midknight2k3f3 then
02:36:21midknight2k3hit f3, then play and it will open
02:36:26midknight2k3no guarantees
02:36:27top_blokeor can u use your patch to call it?
02:36:34midknight2k3nsh
02:36:36midknight2k3maybe
02:36:38midknight2k3i dunnp
02:38:10top_blokeyour "F2 now has a "Follow
02:38:11top_blokePlaylist" option
02:38:22top_blokeis cool too, i wanted to use it
02:38:22midknight2k3thats different
02:38:27top_blokei know
02:38:34midknight2k3didnt i put up precompileds?
02:38:38top_blokebut also a good feature
02:38:38midknight2k3i guess not
02:38:40top_blokeu did?
02:38:48top_blokeno
02:38:53midknight2k3if you didnt delete the thing it was a simple patch to apply
02:38:56midknight2k3just one thing
02:39:08top_blokei couldnt do it
02:39:18midknight2k3yes you could
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02:39:23midknight2k3hi ze
02:40:19top_blokewhy dont they/you use up in the f menus
02:40:44top_blokethey got left, down, right, but no up
02:40:56midknight2k3its not possible
02:41:28top_bloke?
02:41:51top_blokeodd
02:42:29midknight2k3there is no combination of groups allowed
02:42:37midknight2k3group 1: F1 F2 F3 UP
02:42:45midknight2k3group 2: PLAY RIGHT LEFT DOWN ON OFF
02:42:49midknight2k3something like that
02:43:45midknight2k3err
02:43:57midknight2k3two buttons in 1 group unallowed
02:44:47top_blokeok
02:45:13midknight2k3i patched and am making
02:45:22midknight2k3i will try it then after that i will try to f2 call it
02:45:24top_blokequick arent we
02:45:26midknight2k3err f3
02:45:29midknight2k3yep
02:45:31midknight2k3you could be
02:45:34midknight2k3just dont give up
02:45:48top_blokewell f2 can shuffle so better f3
02:46:08midknight2k3well f2 dont use PLAY so we can have all on f2
02:46:12midknight2k3i think thats a better idea
02:46:14midknight2k3PLAY on F2 it is
02:46:17midknight2k3unless you object?
02:46:26top_blokewait what
02:46:35midknight2k3PLAY on F2 can call it
02:46:42midknight2k3then all the play modes are on one menu
02:46:42top_blokeoh yeah
02:46:44top_blokethats cool
02:46:51midknight2k3repeat, shuffle and playlist viewer
02:47:03top_blokenice
02:47:12midknight2k3yes
02:47:36top_blokehow do you know how to call the viewer?
02:47:47top_blokedoes it say in source?
02:47:50midknight2k3just try
02:48:05top_blokebut how do u know
02:48:12midknight2k3you just learn
02:48:22top_blokeman
02:48:30top_blokeseems like voodoo magick
02:48:44midknight2k3i just started this a few months ago, from scratch and no help
02:48:50midknight2k3come pretty far
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02:49:18midknight2k3lol ze
02:49:26top_blokeso u just messed around?
02:49:33midknight2k3yeah
02:49:39midknight2k3first i did the scroll mode
02:49:40midknight2k3mod*
02:49:45midknight2k3then a few other settings mods
02:49:55midknight2k3then i tried to get te redzone and learned about invertrect
02:50:12midknight2k3and the other standard options, drawrect drawline invertrect etc
02:50:25midknight2k3then did some other expirements
02:50:29midknight2k3then the play patch
02:50:34top_blokemake a drawing program for it lol
02:50:36midknight2k3and an unposted volume mod
02:51:36top_blokei gotta get into it
02:52:01midknight2k3its fun
02:52:08midknight2k3you just get familiar with the code
02:52:19midknight2k3you soon know these things
02:52:23midknight2k3like the back of your hand
02:52:31top_bloketheres a metric ton of code though
02:52:37midknight2k3yeah
02:52:44midknight2k3you dont need to mess with it all though
02:53:04midknight2k3come up with a simple idea, think of how to do it then explore the related code and try differnt things
02:53:16midknight2k3i didnt know how to make the volume 1-50 from 1-100
02:53:20midknight2k3but i tried
02:53:25midknight2k3and it ended up working in the end
02:53:30top_blokedivide by 2
02:53:37midknight2k3not that simple lol
02:53:42top_blokedo you have the simulator?
02:53:46midknight2k3yeah
02:53:49top_bloketo test out crap?
02:53:53midknight2k3you need to make a new one each time tho
02:53:59midknight2k3you dont just rolo
02:54:02midknight2k3i think
02:54:05top_blokewtf?
02:54:09midknight2k3dunno
02:54:20top_blokethat sucks
02:54:27midknight2k3static int minval[] =
02:54:27midknight2k3{
02:54:27midknight2k3 0, /* Volume */
02:54:27DBUGEnqueued KICK midknight2k3
02:54:27midknight2k3 0, /* Bass */
02:54:27midknight2k3 0, /* Treble */
02:54:27***Alert Mode level 1
02:54:27midknight2k3 -50, /* Balance */
02:54:29midknight2k3 0, /* Loudness */
02:54:31midknight2k3 0, /* Bass boost */
02:54:33midknight2k3 -1, /* AVC */
02:54:35midknight2k3 0, /* Channels */
02:54:37midknight2k3 0, /* Left gain */
02:54:39midknight2k3 0, /* Right gain */
02:54:41midknight2k3 0, /* Mic gain */
02:54:43midknight2k3};
02:54:45midknight2k3static int maxval[] =
02:54:47midknight2k3{
02:54:49midknight2k3 100, /* Volume */
02:54:51midknight2k3#ifdef HAVE_MAS3587F
02:54:53midknight2k3 24, /* Bass */
02:54:55midknight2k3 24, /* Treble */
02:54:57midknight2k3#else
02:54:59midknight2k3 30, /* Bass */
02:55:01midknight2k3 30, /* Treble */
02:55:03midknight2k3#endif
02:55:05midknight2k3 50, /* Balance */
02:55:07midknight2k3 17, /* Loudness */
02:55:09midknight2k3 10, /* Bass boost */
02:55:10top_blokeis there docs on how to do the sim
02:55:11midknight2k3 3, /* AVC */
02:55:13midknight2k3 6, /* Channels */
02:55:15midknight2k3 15, /* Left gain */
02:55:17midknight2k3 15, /* Right gain */
02:55:19midknight2k3 15, /* Mic gain */
02:55:21midknight2k3};
02:55:23midknight2k3thats the code
02:55:25midknight2k3part of the volume mod code
02:55:27midknight2k3comments help a lot
02:55:29midknight2k3if you cant tell
02:55:31midknight2k3see look
02:55:33midknight2k3top is minval, bottom is maxval right
02:55:35midknight2k3maxval = maximum value
02:55:37midknight2k3so 100 is max volume value
02:55:39midknight2k3we want that to be 50 instead
02:55:46top_bloke?
02:55:55midknight2k3at that code i pasted
02:56:06top_blokei have no idea whats going on
02:56:15midknight2k3did you see the code?
02:56:22top_blokeyeah
02:56:36top_bloketrying to make sense of it
02:56:47midknight2k3it gets easier when you learn it
02:56:53midknight2k3basically the first set is minval right
02:56:58midknight2k3the latter is maxval
02:57:11midknight2k3so minimum that ___ can be and maximum that ___ can be
02:57:14midknight2k3in this case volume
02:57:22midknight2k3minval is 0, and maval is 100
02:57:23midknight2k3get it?
02:57:25top_blokebut max is 100 in there
02:57:28midknight2k3right
02:57:32midknight2k3i modded that to 50
02:57:40top_blokeok
02:57:52midknight2k3and the ifdef there says that if you have a recorder MAS these settings apply
02:57:56midknight2k3otherwise, no
02:58:13top_blokeplayer?
02:58:20midknight2k3yeah
02:58:28top_blokedont apply to player?
02:58:47midknight2k3right
02:58:53midknight2k3then an #endif
02:58:53top_blokewhy not
02:59:01midknight2k3to say that there is no more #if going on
02:59:06midknight2k3player is different
02:59:16top_blokei get it
02:59:28midknight2k3see
02:59:31DBUGEnqueued KICK top_bloke
02:59:31top_bloke1524, /* Bass */
02:59:35top_bloke1524, /* Treble */
02:59:39top_blokeon the rec
02:59:41midknight2k3yeah
02:59:47midknight2k3otherwise its 30
02:59:49midknight2k3for the player
02:59:49top_bloke30, /* Bass */
02:59:53***Alert Mode level 2
02:59:53top_bloke1530, /* Treble */
03:00
03:00:00midknight2k3right
03:00:02midknight2k3right on
03:00:15midknight2k3if you have a recorder MAS you have max of 24 (-12 - 12db)
03:00:17midknight2k3ELSE
03:00:22midknight2k3you have max of 30
03:00:27midknight2k3(-15 - 15)
03:00:28midknight2k3get it
03:00:34top_blokesimple
03:00:38midknight2k3right
03:00:47top_blokeif you know that the rec and player are diff
03:00:51midknight2k3from
03:00:52midknight2k317:56:12 | <top_bloke> trying to make sense of it
03:00:54midknight2k3to
03:00:57***Alert Mode level 3
03:00:57midknight2k318:00:11 | <02top_bloke> simple
03:01:02midknight2k3see
03:01:07midknight2k3you get familiar with it
03:01:21midknight2k3now you know what #ifdef and #else and #endif does
03:01:30top_blokeso elswhere it has to check which MAS is present?
03:01:36midknight2k3yeah
03:01:39midknight2k3it knows this when it boots
03:01:42midknight2k3and loads it
03:01:48midknight2k3actually
03:01:54midknight2k3either way
03:02:03top_blokewell wouldnt it compile for the rec that way?
03:02:03midknight2k3it gets compiled that way, or checked and ran elwse
03:02:11midknight2k3maybe it just gets compiled that way
03:02:13midknight2k3dunno
03:02:26top_blokemaybe
03:02:31midknight2k3yeah
03:02:54top_blokedo u know how to use the sim?
03:03:04midknight2k3same as target
03:03:08midknight2k3arrows to navigate
03:03:14midknight2k3F1, F2, F3 to do that
03:03:21midknight2k3and 5 on numpad for play
03:03:25midknight2k3return is off
03:03:27top_blokeno but how to get it to work
03:03:29midknight2k3and on is +
03:03:33midknight2k3run it
03:04:01top_blokeok got it http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/uisimulator.html
03:04:09midknight2k3thats not a good doc
03:04:18midknight2k3get the sim from the daily buil page i think
03:04:21midknight2k3at the bottom
03:05:12top_blokedo they have it compiled for windows anywhere?
03:05:17midknight2k3yeah
03:05:20midknight2k3at the bottom
03:05:25top_blokei see it
03:05:27midknight2k3rec sim win32
03:05:42top_blokehell its even an .exe
03:05:50midknight2k3yeah
03:05:52midknight2k3no big trouble
03:06:05top_blokedont have to mess w source
03:06:11midknight2k3not yet
03:06:19midknight2k3you'll wanna mess with it soon enough
03:06:31top_blokesource of the sim though
03:06:37top_blokei dont wanna touch that
03:06:54midknight2k3there aint source of the sim
03:07:09midknight2k3it just takes the regular files and puts it together for a virtual recorder or player
03:07:31top_blokeoh
03:07:50top_blokei thought thats what the big cygwin is for
03:07:59midknight2k3it lets you do that
03:08:36top_blokeso i just need the small one again
03:08:54midknight2k3well
03:09:01midknight2k3you cant do the sim
03:09:14midknight2k3but everything else
03:09:14top_blokewhy
03:09:16midknight2k3you dont need the sim
03:09:20top_blokei can get the exe
03:09:28top_blokei dont get it
03:09:36midknight2k3you can get the exe
03:09:38midknight2k3not make the exe
03:09:48top_blokebut thats harcoded
03:09:55top_blokewith current rockbox
03:10:03midknight2k3..?
03:10:15top_blokethe sim exe
03:10:24midknight2k3yeah
03:10:24top_blokehas current rockbox in it
03:10:29top_bloke?
03:10:36midknight2k3you cant make your own mods and and compile it that way
03:10:58***Alert Mode OFF
03:11:01top_blokeu need the full cygwin for that?
03:11:12midknight2k3right
03:11:15midknight2k3or something
03:11:19midknight2k3ill check later
03:11:40top_blokeu dont use the sim?
03:11:53midknight2k3no
03:12:10midknight2k3only takes a few secs to re make and another few to copy over to the real thing
03:12:13top_blokewhy not
03:12:21midknight2k3sim is also unreliable
03:12:21top_blokeyeah
03:12:29midknight2k3make sure you use the real thing for real time testing
03:12:33midknight2k3sometimes it dont work right
03:12:37midknight2k3its not perfect
03:12:51top_blokei'd be worried about messin my archos up with my crappy code
03:12:57midknight2k3impossible
03:13:00midknight2k3lol
03:13:06midknight2k3even if you flashed it
03:13:22midknight2k3you should flash it
03:13:27top_blokewhat if i TELL it to mess up
03:13:39midknight2k3tell what to
03:13:43midknight2k3the archos?
03:13:44midknight2k3it cant
03:14:05top_blokethe archos
03:14:11midknight2k3its not possible
03:14:17top_blokei'll be like messup=true;
03:14:19top_blokelol
03:14:36top_blokeand it will explode
03:14:43midknight2k3thats a bad command
03:14:46midknight2k3its not possible
03:14:49top_blokei know
03:14:51midknight2k3haha
03:15:02midknight2k3messup=true
03:15:06midknight2k3that's a good one
03:15:16top_blokelol
03:15:31top_blokeit made ME laugh, and i said it
03:15:37midknight2k3lol
03:15:39midknight2k3thats rare
03:15:45top_blokei know
03:16:49top_blokei'm learning java at school
03:17:01midknight2k3cool
03:17:05top_blokeit would be like archos.messUp();
03:17:23top_blokedoing really simple crap like hello world programs
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03:17:45midknight2k3DIDY
03:17:49midknight2k3i wanted to talk to you
03:17:49diddystar5yo
03:17:52midknight2k3lol
03:18:08diddystar5i wanna try dcc chat
03:18:09midknight2k3top bloke was considering the possibility of ruining his archos with a bad code job
03:18:11diddystar5one sec
03:18:19midknight2k318:13:53 | <02top_bloke> i'll be like messup=true;
03:18:19midknight2k318:13:56 | <02top_bloke> lol
03:18:19***Alert Mode level 1
03:18:19midknight2k318:14:13 | <02top_bloke> and it will explode
03:18:45top_blokemy code is now archos.messUp();
03:18:53diddystar5haha
03:18:57top_blokelooks better
03:19:02midknight2k3lol
03:19:05top_blokeeven though its not C im sure
03:19:14midknight2k3archos.Messup(True);
03:20:18top_blokethats C?
03:20:43diddystar5what does the code for achos.Messup() look like :)
03:21:05top_blokethats yet to be determined
03:21:31diddystar5make it erase your flash!
03:21:43top_blokeyes
03:21:50top_blokethats it
03:22:00top_blokesee, i can kill it
03:22:07top_blokeif i really did that
03:22:46top_blokeheres the code
03:22:54top_blokeflash = 0;
03:23:04top_blokedone.
03:23:30diddystar5well you need code for flash()
03:23:59top_bloke?
03:24:24top_blokedefine it
03:25:09top_blokethe code for flashing is in the source
03:25:16top_blokeit will go to that
03:25:22diddystar5o didn't know that
03:25:35top_blokesee
03:28:20***Alert Mode OFF
03:35:06MTi tried very hard to kill mine with bad code
03:35:11MTfailed miserabley
03:35:17midknight2k3lol
03:35:28diddystar5haha
03:35:28MTbasically, if you dont flash, you CANNOT break
03:35:49diddystar5wierd....
03:38:40midknight2k3doubted
03:38:44midknight2k3MT is wrong
03:39:11MToh really?
03:39:22MThow can one break the archos with software alone
03:39:31midknight2k3bad code
03:39:32MTif you do not play with the flash chip
03:39:34MTno
03:39:36midknight2k3well
03:39:38midknight2k3overload the MAS
03:39:40midknight2k3lol
03:39:40MTthat just forces you to recover
03:39:53MTyou cannot break
03:39:56MTyou can only crash
03:40:46midknight2k3lol
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11:47:50webmindmorn
11:48:02track:D
11:49:31trackIve got an Iriver!!!
11:51:18webminda what?
11:58:49trackthe Iriver 10gb MP3 player
11:58:55trackplays WMA, MP3 and WAV
11:59:16webmindogg ?
11:59:22webmindwma sux anyway
11:59:29webmindand i dont really use wav
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12:19:51dwihnotrack: is it a 100% mass storage compliant device?
12:20:14dwihnoIriver has a history of requiring end-user drivers.
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14:26:07sagegokuif i press and hold off, does it stop playback before shutting down?
14:32:27webmindnope
14:32:34webmindatleast not on my player
14:32:38webmindits a hardware feat
14:32:47webmindi think
14:32:52webmindtrack, u there?
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14:35:42dwihnosagyeah, it's hardware.
14:35:50dwihnoheh
14:35:52dwihnowups
14:38:02webminddwihno, no way to get aournd that?
14:38:09webmindto detect the pressing of the button ?
14:43:41dwihnowebmind: single presses, yes, but the "hold-for-two-seconds-then-poweroff" is not possible, afaik.
14:43:55dwihnoThere's some notes in the mailing list about that.
14:44:08webmindu can only detect a press+release not just press ?
14:44:27dwihnowell, I guess you can detect the press
14:44:37dwihnobut you can't interrupt the power-down sequence
14:44:44webmindthen you stop playback on press ?
14:44:54dwihno<FakeLinus> dwihno is SO right
14:44:56dwihno;-D
14:45:15webmindofcourse you are.. but it doesnt matter
14:45:21webmindyou dont have to intterupt it
14:45:44webmindjust prevent the resume option next time it starts
14:46:47dwihnohm
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16:01:02quelsarukumm.. doesn't work
16:01:14quelsarukanyone awake?
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17:37:58pyroboy123hello
17:38:15pyroboy123can someone give me some info please ?
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17:44:04pyroboy123anyone ?
17:44:11webmindhm?
17:44:12webmindwa?
17:45:00pyroboy123i installed the rockbox stuff on my recorder ... now i think the battery length is very little !!!!
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17:45:47pyroboy123webmind ???
17:45:50pyroboy123please ?
17:47:11webmindpatience....
17:47:11webmindpatience....
17:47:17webmindi've got mor things to this irc
17:47:22webmindthis = od
17:47:23webminddo
17:47:41webmindpyroboy123, i dont have a rockbox.. but you are mistaken
17:48:02webmindon my player the rockbox firmware lenghtens battery life a lot
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18:18:29pyroboy123i think it shortens mine
18:18:38webminddoubt it
18:18:45webminddo u use flashed version of rockbox ?
18:19:30pyroboy123yes
18:19:33webmindaah
18:19:34webmindyes
18:19:41webmindthat has a battery problem
18:19:46webminddont know the details
18:19:52webmindand i've got go now..
18:19:53pyroboy123that is the problem ?
18:19:53webmindbye
18:20:01pyroboy123ah shit ... is it fixable ... or should i put the old firmware back ?
18:20:09webmindpyroboy123, uhuh.. think it was something with recharing
18:20:18webmindpyroboy123, you could put the old firmware back..
18:20:26webmindbut there probably will be a fix for it i think ?
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20:05:58trackhello
20:08:47Plughhi
20:12:04trackypo
20:12:05trackto
20:16:08trackthis may sound like a rhetorical question but is the reason why MP3 decoding is done in hardware is because the processor is too slow to do the decoding in software?
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20:26:19Plughyes track
20:26:24Hadakathe processor is _way_ too slow
20:26:34Plughthe processor is totally incapable of doing any sound operations
20:26:49Plughwell, it's capable of doing them, but not at an acceptable rate
20:26:50trackso if the processor was theoritecally 2.5Ghz could it do software decoding?
20:27:00Plughheh yeah
20:27:12Plughyou can do it in 100MHz
20:27:18tracklol
20:27:25trackso lets overclock the processor then!
20:27:25track:-)
20:27:34Plughfrom 16 to 100?
20:27:43trackactually 12 to 100
20:27:46PlughI don't want to carry the nitrogen tank
20:27:50Plughsorry. my mistake
20:28:04tracklol
20:28:35uskii don't think that it will work, even with a nitrogen tank :)
20:28:45uskiit is not a temperature problem
20:28:47Hadakawell, even then there'd be the problem of being able to get the decoded data to the sound output
20:28:48Plughyou're probably right uski
20:29:26Hadakaeg. the same reason rockbox can't play WAV
20:29:54trackwell for WAV to playback the drive would have to spin very fast non-stop
20:30:07tracksince WAV files are much bigger than the 2Mb buffer can handle
20:30:26Hadakayeah obviously, but the problem is that you can't get the audio data to the DSP
20:31:29trackI wonder why ARchos only decided to put 2meg of ram in
20:31:34Hadakaeg. only the MAS chip has a connection to the DAC
20:31:35trackmost players have 8 or 16meg
20:32:11trackok
20:34:43track:D
20:36:42trackas midknight2k3 would say, "write a software connection to the dac"
20:41:43Plughactually, the MAS has a realtime PCM encoder and decoder that I think are mutually exclusive
20:42:05Plughwith some trickery, I think it could be possible to pipe PCM data through the chip and get sound output
20:44:16Plugh2 meg of RAM is plenty to buffer the input.
20:44:53Plughif 128k mp3 is a meg a minute and PCM is 10x the size of that...
20:45:17Plughyou're looking at about 6 seconds per meg. PLENTY of time for the buffering
20:45:31Plughbut yes, it would have the hard drive spinning constantly
20:51:01uski8mb would be FAR better
20:51:07uskiit is a shame that archos did not put 8mb
20:51:17uski16mb or more is too much i think
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20:56:20Plughuski: why? It doesn't seem to need more than the 2meg they gave us to run the Archos FW :)
20:56:35Plughthey certainly didn't develop it as an extensible platform
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20:58:42PlughI'm pretty sure they're amazed by what we've done with it so far
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21:29:31trackhi adi
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22:08:30Kamayakahi
22:08:53Kamayakawoooooody
22:08:57Kamayakaidc dragon is here
22:08:59Kamayakalistening ?
22:09:12[IDC]Dragonyes, sorry.
22:09:33Kamayakabingo, i´ve tried it 6 times by now (as far as i remember... :))
22:09:45Kamayakalittle time ?
22:09:59[IDC]Dragonindeed...
22:10:10[IDC]DragonWhat did you try 6 times?
22:10:24Kamayakato meet you in here
22:10:39[IDC]DragonHow about a posting?
22:10:45Kamayakawell, lazy :)
22:10:45[IDC]DragonOr email?
22:11:06Kamayakadidn´t know if your german or not, to keep the mail as easy, now i know you´re german...
22:11:14[IDC]Dragonso, what's cooking?
22:11:28Kamayakamay i query you in german or in here ? would make it much easier...
22:12:16Plughit may help me exercize some of my old German schooling :)
22:12:30[IDC]Dragon(we moved to private chat)
22:12:38Plughahh
22:12:39elinenbehello
22:12:40Plughdoh
22:12:42Plughoh well
22:12:45Plughhiya elinenbe
22:12:50elinenbe[IDC]Dragon: nice effort on the flashing plugin! I love it.
22:13:07[IDC]Dragonyou're welcome.
22:13:16[IDC]Dragonjust discoved it?
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22:21:50elinenbe[IDC]Dragon: no, I have been around here for a while...
22:21:55elinenbeabout as long as edx
22:22:12elinenbehardeep, and the main guys, Zagor, Badger, LinusN, etc....
22:22:13[IDC]Dragon;-)
22:22:41elinenbeI (originally) programmed the sokoban clone for the recorder way before rockbox could even play mp3s :D
22:22:44[IDC]Dragondiscovered the flashing, I mean.
22:23:14[IDC]DragonI know your name as a Rockbox celebrity, don't worry.
22:23:56PlughI'm just a #rockbox celebrity. Not a rockbox celebrity ;)
22:26:24elinenbeplease, I am no celebrity... I couldn't do what half of these programmers do.
22:26:37elinenbeneed any asp/jsp/php programming? :D
22:26:56[IDC]Dragonnot my field...
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