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#rockbox log for 2003-10-24

00:04:56elinenbewow! Both LinusN and Zagor
00:05:05elinenbeI haven't seen that in a while.
00:06:14elinenbeso, I heard from a little birdie that hardeep's playlist viewer patch is going to be submitted...
00:06:27tracklol
00:06:43elinenbeerr.... committed!
00:08:12Zagori haven't looked at it, i'm afraid
00:08:47elinenbeZagor... it's nice.
00:09:14top_bloke`its the best patch ever
00:09:21 Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (~idc-drago@pD9E34966.dip.t-dialin.net)
00:09:39***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
00:10:17[IDC]DragonHi Linus, may I ask about my "Player flashing" mail?
00:10:43[IDC]DragonYou didn't answer, and I didn't dare to re-send.
00:11:19elinenbehaha
00:11:35[IDC]Dragon?
00:11:49elinenbe...and I didn't dare to re-send.
00:12:18[IDC]DragonMayne Linus is telling me "get lost" with that.
00:12:38[IDC]DragonMaybe
00:14:43Zagori'm off to bed. see you guys.
00:14:44 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting")
00:20:23 Quit AciD` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
00:20:49 Quit scott666 ("i'll be back...eventually...")
00:25:00LinusN[IDC]Dragon: player flashing mail?
00:25:13[IDC]Dragon3 weeks ago
00:26:22LinusNah
00:26:36[IDC]DragonYou told me how to turn on the HD by pulling PB4 low, but it didn't work.
00:26:49[IDC]DragonAnd I am stuck with the LCD.
00:27:16[IDC]DragonFlashing players in general works very well.
00:28:08[IDC]DragonYou just better not flash a rockbox ucl, Archos ucl is fine.
00:30:21 Part LinusN
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00:33:55LinusNwoo
00:34:15LinusNwell, i was about to say that if PB4 doesn't work, there must be something more to do
00:34:35LinusNmaybe some port pin controls the power to the LCD and the HD
00:35:38[IDC]Dragonit's difficult for me to find out about it, I don't have a player.
00:36:27LinusNand i don't have a flashable player... :-(
00:36:34[IDC]DragonI know.
00:37:25[IDC]DragonI have one "golden" chip left, but I'd like to save that one for myself.
00:37:48[IDC]DragonIn case I get a second box or so.
00:38:38[IDC]DragonI've given away 3
00:40:25[IDC]DragonYou could do the UART boot mod and "practice" inits with gdb, but I don't want to put any stress on you, especially if it's not personally useful later on.
00:40:52LinusNwell, my time is limited, so it's not on my top priority list...
00:41:03[IDC]Dragoncertainly.
00:41:09[IDC]Dragon;-)
00:42:46[IDC]DragonWell, never mind, goodnight!
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01:34:41trackHiya chaos[]
01:34:43trackchaps I mean
01:37:09 Part LinusN
01:37:16trackis mikeholden around?
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02:01:38 Join Nod46 [0] (Norz@pool-68-237-126-88.ny325.east.verizon.net)
02:01:45Nod46HI ALL
02:06:03trackhello Nod
02:06:05trackhow r u?
02:06:55Nod46OK AND U?
02:07:11Nod46got a couple questions about the recorder fm 2
02:07:13Nod460
02:07:27Nod46cant seem to find the delete function
02:07:33Nod46using rockbox
02:07:52tracki don't have an fm
02:08:02trackjust a normal recorder
02:08:06Nod46are u using rockbox?
02:09:37trackyes
02:09:41***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
02:09:49Nod46how do u delete
02:10:02trackON and PLAY on a song whilst browsing folders
02:11:00Nod46oh ok thanks
02:11:07Nod46anyway to cut/paste?
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02:11:22Nod46hi scott
02:11:34Nod46whats this gmini shiti keep hearing about
02:11:53trackthe gmini can play WAV and WMA
02:12:07trackand you can "enhance" it by buying "plugins" of the Archos website
02:12:14Nod46hmmm
02:12:18Nod46has it been cracked yet
02:12:23Nod46im fucking broke lol
02:12:39trackdunno
02:13:56Nod46where can i gind info on this gmini stuff
02:13:59Nod46find
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02:52:08 Join Bluechip [0] (~bluechip@cpc3-colc1-3-0-cust61.colc.cable.ntl.com)
02:52:44BluechipDoes anybody know a good time to catch Linus or Zagor in here please?
02:57:19MTevenings and daytime in europe
02:57:54scott666bluechip: othello's still broken
03:00
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03:14:58 Quit scott666 ("i'll be back...eventually...")
03:29:17Bluechipsorry, trill doesn't flash for IRC - oops
03:29:23Bluechipthanks MT
03:30:18Bluechipsorry I missed you scott - I felt that my attempts to solve the othelo problem were causing too mcuh stress, so I backed out
03:41:04 Join midknight2k3 [0] (midknight2@12-229-204-15.client.attbi.com)
03:46:09midknight2k3bluechip, hi
03:46:18Bluechiphello
03:46:32midknight2k3liked your chip8 emu
03:46:54midknight2k3i hope you can make it be called when a .ch8 game is played, like the text viewer
03:46:58midknight2k3then it'd get in for sure
03:47:24Bluechipwasn't my work - i just got it going in the new release
03:47:49midknight2k3wha...
03:48:10Bluechipcan't be that tricky to patch into the main browser - just copy the text code
03:48:22Bluechipi did a massive tidy up job on it one, but i think i accidentally erased the code before I uploaded it
03:48:28Bluechipone->once
03:48:42midknight2k3it'd take a bit of work... you'd have to manually patch it or use a 6 month old checkout
03:48:49midknight2k3then you'd have to integrate it
03:48:57midknight2k3the integrating might be simple
03:49:08midknight2k3just making it work with the latest source might be tougher
03:49:24midknight2k3does it run entirely from chip8.c, or at least maily?
03:49:27midknight2k3mainly*
03:50:23Bluechipi think it DID already patch into the browser code now i think about it - it's quite a simple bit of code - sure its all in one file (bar the integration)
03:50:43midknight2k3just we want it as a plugin is what i meant
03:50:57midknight2k3chip8.rock, being called as just like the text viewer
03:51:00Bluechipcan you fire off a plugin for a file selection?
03:51:02midknight2k3maybe i wasnt clear enough
03:51:17midknight2k3what?
03:51:32Bluechipselect file = run plugin with filename as param?
03:52:31midknight2k3i think it'd be simpler just to call chip8.rock with the file.. si what what you had in mind?
03:52:44midknight2k3i dunno about a menu...
04:00
04:09:42***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
04:14:27Bluechipnite all
04:14:56midknight2k3night
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04:28:05xammorning
04:28:26midknight2k3hi
04:28:30midknight2k3bb in a few
04:29:41xamwhat are the default settings for sound? IE I want to have a linear output if possible (or at least the most linear possible with rockbox)
04:46:08midknight2k3ok
04:46:09midknight2k3back
04:46:27midknight2k3hmm
04:46:40midknight2k3well i could give you them
04:47:01midknight2k3vol: 75, bass: 6db, treble: 6db, loudness: off, al other junk off
04:49:00xamare these the 'official' values?
04:49:14midknight2k3sort of yeah
04:49:25xamhave these changed from rockbox version to version? I'm using rockbox version 2
04:49:42midknight2k3get a daily build
04:49:48midknight2k3i can tell you now you'll like it
04:51:43xamlol ... mhhh .. what has been improved? I read about the 'rocks' feature, but what else? AFAIK the powersaving patch is still not integrated?
04:51:56midknight2k3powersaving patch?
04:54:00xamwell, there was a patch for rockbox (before version 2) that would let the CPU stay in idle mode most the time, thus saving quite alot of energy
04:54:39midknight2k3let me check here
04:54:41midknight2k3but yeah
04:54:48xamI read on the mailing list (this month or last month) that the people had tested it, but the original author wouldn't respond to emails anymore
04:54:50midknight2k3apart from the plugins? tons of new features
04:55:14midknight2k3i dont see why not to upgrade really
04:55:17midknight2k3its totally stable
04:55:26midknight2k3stabler than 2.0 as a matter of fact
04:55:41xamwell, I don't have any problems with version2 so far ;)
04:55:50midknight2k3well
04:55:55midknight2k3youll have new featurs
04:56:03midknight2k3why not?
04:56:35xamI just got my new earphones ... costed as much as the recorder20 I have ;)
04:56:54midknight2k3no way
04:56:58midknight2k3how much?
04:57:08xam$273
04:57:21xamwell, and about $16 shipping
04:57:26midknight2k3 for headphoneS/
04:57:42midknight2k3headphoes* ??!?!
04:57:46xamearphones ... etymotic research ER-4R/S
04:57:59xamthese thingies are increadible
04:58:23midknight2k3wow
04:58:40xamhttp://www.headphone.com/layout.php?topicID=2&subTopicID=15
04:58:55xamand http://www.headphone.com/layout.php?topicID=2&subTopicID=18
04:59:01midknight2k3thats a lot
04:59:02midknight2k3lol
05:00
05:00:03xam"The ER4S is our favorite, we rank them among the top 5 dynamic headphones in the world"
05:00:09midknight2k3wow
05:00:14midknight2k3that must be good headphones
05:00:19xamthey are talking about all headphones, not earphones ...
05:00:46xamyes, they are ... but they were a pain to get use to at first (ears were hurting)
05:00:51xamnow it's fine
05:01:02midknight2k3that happens a lit
05:02:33xamI was informing myself for several days on the internet (reviews, forums etc), and was asking in chatrooms ... they just all agree "etys are godsent" ... however some really can't stand wearing them (of putting anyting INTO your ear)
05:06:42xamthese in-canal-phones are really great ... you literally can't hear anything (ie any outside noise) of you put them on - you can even hear your heartbeat if you listen closely ... but never try to eat crisps, because suddenly you are very sensitive to any noise YOU make.
05:06:56midknight2k3lol
05:07:12xamit's like putting on a stetoscope
05:07:18midknight2k3lol
05:08:25xamso the isolation is fantastic and you don't hear any noise like door bells, telephone, etc ... and if you turn on the music, it's like you are within a concert hall ...
05:08:35midknight2k3cool
05:09:36xamthe only thing is that they are not very cheap ... about $210 on ebay, and of course a little bit more if you want extras
05:09:46midknight2k3yeh
05:09:49midknight2k3no thanks
05:09:50midknight2k3lol
05:09:57xamthe price on www.etymotic.com is $330
05:10:44xamthere are new phones which are similar (perhaps even better): shure E5c ... only for $500
05:10:45midknight2k3thats pretty.. expensice
05:10:48midknight2k3yeah
05:10:51midknight2k3seen them
05:12:40xampeople argue which ones are better ... most people say the ety's are more neutral (?), but the shure sound better (what ever this means) ... at least all agree that the shure are much more comfortable. But also that the shure are overpriced (you pay for the name)
05:13:43xamwell, I don't want to pay another $220 for not a notible difference in sound quality ...
05:13:49midknight2k3lol
05:14:33xamso what kind of headphones are you using?
05:14:54midknight2k3i'm not sure the exacty one, but it's a sennheiser
05:14:59midknight2k3HD212Pro or something
05:15:31midknight2k3HD212Pro it is
05:15:49midknight2k3the new rio chiba i got has MX300's
05:15:52midknight2k3they arent bad at all
05:16:30midknight2k3well
05:16:36midknight2k3MX300's are 7.99
05:16:43midknight2k3they arent that good either i guess
05:16:43midknight2k3lol
05:17:03midknight2k3still it's a lot better than the ones some people pop in (ahem)archos!(ahem)
05:17:12xambtw, I was using some "sony mdr ed228" for the last year. I thought they were not too bad for earbuds ... (well, not too bad for about 28 Euros I mean)
05:18:01midknight2k3yeah
05:18:07xamI did a comparison between the etys and the sony ... I couldn't believe what kind of crap I was listening to the whole last year ;)
05:18:17midknight2k3hahaha
05:18:49midknight2k3lemme look at this power save patch
05:19:11midknight2k3oh rats
05:20:37midknight2k3lol
05:20:37midknight2k3[20:20:17] <midknight2k3> cant you port rockbox to the chuba?
05:20:37midknight2k3[20:20:20] <midknight2k3> chiba
05:20:37DBUGEnqueued KICK midknight2k3
05:20:37midknight2k3[20:20:23] <lament> i have no idiea.
05:20:41xamI really recommend them, but you really have to get used to them (putting them in the ear - the first times - is like after being flying in an airplane ... you know they feeling after being in high altitudes ... this pressure in the ears)
05:20:53midknight2k3the 300 dollar headphones? no thanks
05:21:29xammidknight you don't know what you are missing! I tell you!
05:21:46midknight2k3i know i'm missing 300 bux... where does a 13 year old get that?
05:21:55xamit's like a revelation to me ...
05:22:15xammidknight oh, I c ... mhhh rob a bank? ;)
05:22:32midknight2k3lol
05:22:36midknight2k3i could get in that safe
05:22:51midknight2k3theres this safe the media teacher keeps the $500 dv cameras in it
05:22:53xammidknight how does it come that you are allowed to IRC and stay up so late ;-)
05:23:03midknight2k3i could take all 3 and pawn them off
05:23:08midknight2k3its only 8:23
05:23:11xamlol
05:23:23xammhh it's 4:23 am here
05:23:37midknight2k3hahahahah
05:23:43midknight2k3that'd be early
05:23:44midknight2k3not late
05:23:52midknight2k3i'd only get 1 hour of sleep
05:24:38xamwell, I assumed you were from the USA, so I guessed "well, NY is -5 hours ... so it must be rather late there right now"
05:24:44midknight2k3WA
05:24:45midknight2k3not NY
05:24:46midknight2k3lol
05:24:49midknight2k3that -8 hours
05:24:57xamlol, the other end
05:25:03midknight2k3anyways.. this power saver... i don't see it anywheres
05:26:26xamjust a second ... I'll look for it
05:27:28xamhttp://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-10/0245.shtml
05:28:11xamI guess that's it ... I'm not sure whether it's the right guy though ...
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05:29:14xamI was talking about this: http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-01/1034.shtml
05:29:15midknight2k3here i am
05:29:17midknight2k3crap
05:29:20midknight2k3just a sec
05:29:34midknight2k3this s great
05:29:39midknight2k3ill be back in a minute ok
05:29:43midknight2k3windows SUCKS.
05:29:55midknight2k3i have to relogonm
05:30:02midknight2k3i cant even see my messages lol
05:30:07midknight2k3oh no
05:30:15midknight2k3how can i log off - the start menu wont show
05:30:25midknight2k3i got it
05:30:31midknight2k3brb
05:30:33xamit all started here: http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-01/0828.shtml
05:30:36midknight2k3wait
05:31:06xamokay ... I'll repost it (or you can look it up at rockbox.haxx.se daily irc log)
05:31:53midknight2k3MAN
05:31:55midknight2k3HATE THIS
05:31:59midknight2k3brb
05:32:17xamlol
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05:36:07midknight2k3yay
05:36:10midknight2k3in linux now
05:36:19midknight2k3can you repaste ling
05:36:22midknight2k3link
05:36:37xamit all started here: http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-01/0828.shtml
05:36:42midknight2k3lol ok
05:36:50xamthese where the results: http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-01/1034.shtml
05:37:50midknight2k3and you wanted this applied or something?
05:37:55xamlooked promising and they said they could even improve the patch for the recorder (if rockbox' scheduler was redesigned a bit) ... but that was early this year
05:38:19midknight2k3it probably got forgotten
05:39:23xamwell, I was asking some time ago whether it was (going into) 2.0 and they said no ... but perhaps in 2.1 ... so I'm not sure whether it has been already included or whether it has been just forgotten altogether (would be a shame)
05:40:12midknight2k3it did do much?
05:40:18midknight2k3the guy said it wants really worthwhile
05:40:22xamwell, if you can easily save about 10% ...
05:40:29midknight2k3oh
05:40:38xamand probably more for the recorder
05:41:08xamwell, look at the second link ... and if you follow the replies some other guy confirmed the results
05:41:20midknight2k3sorry am a bit busy doing homework
05:41:30midknight2k3i always put it off till the day before due
05:42:11midknight2k3ask plugh
05:42:13midknight2k3he knows a lot
05:42:54xamfrom 110mA (no patch) down to 81-98mA (depending whether you use CPU sleep, standby or stop)
05:43:07xamokay, nice talking to you ...
05:43:13midknight2k3gota go?
05:43:33midknight2k3well hm
05:43:40xamoh, I see, I thought you were about to leave ;)
05:43:40midknight2k3you get an option?
05:43:42midknight2k3nah
05:43:46midknight2k3in about 15 mins
05:43:57midknight2k3err
05:44:18midknight2k3heh
05:44:24midknight2k3i love stirring up in #c
05:44:33xamlol
05:44:44midknight2k3midknight2k3> im in linux now
05:44:44midknight2k3<dx> so what
05:44:44midknight2k3<midknight2k3> so... just saying...
05:44:44DBUGEnqueued KICK midknight2k3
05:44:44midknight2k3<midknight2k3> you suck!
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05:45:15midknight2k3no replies
05:45:17midknight2k3i think they're onto me
05:45:22xammidknight2k3: not very nice ;)
05:45:49midknight2k3what
05:45:50midknight2k3__
05:45:51midknight2k3dx> mplayer keeps segfaulting with its gay ass
05:45:51midknight2k3<midknight2k3> dont swear
05:45:51***Alert Mode level 1
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05:45:52midknight2k3<midknight2k3> well
05:45:54midknight2k3−−> CrayT3E (~CrayT3E@finsler.math.uoa.gr) has joined #c
05:45:56midknight2k3<midknight2k3> i said dont swear
05:45:59midknight2k3<dx> anyone know if it is possible to send data to a dsp device that is on an nfs share
05:46:00midknight2k3__
05:46:15xamstirring up people for nothing ...
05:46:16midknight2k3they arent replying
05:46:19midknight2k3am not
05:46:23midknight2k3you know these IDIOTs
05:46:28xamthey are sleeping ;)
05:46:31midknight2k3arent
05:46:34midknight2k3lament is mean to me
05:46:52midknight2k3he told me to go back to #ypn amidsta a bunch of other stuff like "you suck" and "fuck you"
05:47:44midknight2k3dx> my linux box with the sound sucks for mplayer
05:47:44midknight2k3<dx> but my netbsd machine has no sound
05:47:44midknight2k3* dx kicks the wall
05:47:48midknight2k3sigh
05:48:31xamwell dx seems to do a lot of sucking ...
05:49:02midknight2k3lol
05:49:25xamI guess #c is about the C programming language?
05:49:37midknight2k3yeah
05:49:40midknight2k3thers many people
05:49:49midknight2k3most are real.. mean
05:50:00xamor about c# ? in that case it was spelled backwards ;)
05:50:19midknight2k3no
05:50:21midknight2k3#c
05:50:23midknight2k3__
05:50:25midknight2k3<midknight2k3> well?
05:50:25midknight2k3<midknight2k3> who hates me?
05:50:25midknight2k3<lament> i do
05:50:25***Alert Mode level 4
05:50:25midknight2k3<Zhivago> I might
05:50:25***Alert Mode level 5
05:50:25midknight2k3_
05:50:31midknight2k3errorlevel> I'm starting to.
05:50:33midknight2k3hehh
05:50:35xamlol
05:50:37midknight2k3its working
05:51:03midknight2k3errorlevel> I'm starting to.
05:51:08xamstart writing in k&r style and everybody hates you ;)
05:51:13midknight2k3lol
05:51:15midknight2k3errorlevel> I'm starting to.
05:51:17midknight2k3err
05:51:24midknight2k3<midknight2k3> hi
05:51:24midknight2k3<lament> hi
05:51:24midknight2k3<midknight2k3> whats up? do you still hate me?
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05:51:24midknight2k3<lament> yes!
05:52:49xamso do you do a lot of programming?
05:52:59midknight2k3not a lot.. i do some here and there
05:53:10midknight2k3#c is for bugging people
05:53:10midknight2k3lol
05:53:20midknight2k3its the BUGMEBUGME chanbel
05:53:24midknight2k3channel
05:54:18xamI did it for a living ... well right now I'm back in college to do a PhD in computer science ...
05:54:26midknight2k3yay
05:54:30midknight2k3in c?
05:54:36midknight2k3oh you want to #c
05:54:41midknight2k3i didnt even see
05:54:56xamwell, C mostly ... also Objective-C and C++ ... and some Java
05:55:14midknight2k3you shoudl work at rockbox
05:56:07xamno time for that ... unfortunately ...
05:56:20midknight2k3lol
05:58:52midknight2k3making friends? heheh
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06:02:27midknight2k3oops
06:02:34midknight2k3i just pasted a spelling word definition
06:02:37midknight2k3sort of
06:08:38midknight2k3bye if i dotn come back
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07:42:17xamhi
07:43:46dwihnoHi hi hi!
07:43:50dwihnoFriday at last!
07:43:51dwihnoWhee!
07:45:12xam*grin*
07:45:53xamI have a meeting with my supervisor in about 4 hours ... and still have work to do ...
07:46:05dwihnoWhat kind of meeting?
07:46:33xamweekly meeting about the progress of my PhD thesis
07:46:53xamI'm not feeling like going ... but I have to
07:47:38dwihno\o/
07:47:48dwihnoThesis of a cruel angel.
07:47:56xammhh, I could move it to Tuesday I guess (Monday is a bank holiday here in Ireland)
07:48:49dwihnoIreland? Then you're hooked on that Guinness liquid? :)
07:49:19xambut on the other hand he really wants to see something (I already delayed it too often to give him some drafts/info)
07:49:42xamWell, I'm more hooked on to Murphy's stout and Bulmers cider
07:50:04xamMurphy looks likek Guinness but is not as bitter
07:50:40xamtastes a lot better. Moreover Guinness doesn't travel well. It tastes awful outside Ireland
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07:52:48Doggerhey
07:53:32xam?
07:53:52xamlooks like somebody is REALLY awake
07:53:58Doggerany developers in?
07:54:22xamrushing in the channel and shouting "hey" ... to much action for me so early in the morning ;)
07:54:35DoggerI am excited!
07:54:42Doggerjust made a major breakthrough
07:54:55xamin what?
07:55:02DoggerArchos AV
07:55:24xamSorry, AV? like AV320 or so?
07:55:33Doggeryep - av300
07:55:43Doggeryou tried one out?
07:55:57dwihno:-D
07:56:01xammhhh ... nice ... expensive ... have to forget my paypal password ...
07:56:03dwihnoDogger: let's hear?
07:56:14Doggeravos.sourceforge.net/pictures.html
07:56:19Doggercheck the last few pics ;)
07:56:58xamDogger unfortunately not. A friend of mine has the Multimedia20, and I have the Recorder20 ... but no AV seen yet
07:56:59dwihnoAV300cool thing
07:57:17Doggerav3xx is very very very cool
07:57:26DoggerI am porting linux to it
07:58:29Doggeryou should buy one.... it's gonna be so cool :)
07:58:42xamDogger I would by a 320 if I had the money ... unfortunately I just spend $280 on headphones
07:58:55Doggershould have heard my heartbeat doing first update..... was pretty scared it would die
07:58:59dwihnoxam: $280? on HEADPHONES? :)
07:59:06Doggerwow expensive headphones
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07:59:22xamdwihno: needed good sound ;) Etymotic ER-4P/S
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08:00:14xamdwihno: http://www.headphone.com/layout.php?topicID=2&subTopicID=15 and http://www.headphone.com/layout.php?topicID=2&subTopicID=18
08:02:21xamdwihno: "The ER4S is our favorite, we rank them among the top 5 dynamic headphones in the world" ... and they mean ALL headphones (not only earbuds) ... I can second that ... I did a little research on the internet (reviews/forums/irc) before I bought ... just positive responses, often: "Etys are godsent"
08:02:41Doggerbut can you play games and do PDA things on them?
08:02:45dwihnoxam: I got a pair of Sennheiser HD570 :D
08:03:24Doggerhopefuly I'll be able to get the CF reader add on for the AV300 to work with a wireless card so I can get the AV3xx on the internet later
08:03:33dwihnoxam: http://www.headphone.com/layout.php?topicID=3&subTopicID=26&productID=0020100000 - this is it?
08:03:51xamdwihno: yes
08:04:13xamdwihno: costs $330 at www.etymotic.com
08:04:15dwihnoxam: erhm. looks quite regular, if yo uask me :)
08:04:47xamdwihno: boy, you don't even guess the difference in the quality in sound ... it's like a revelation
08:05:34dwihnoxam: it's hard to imagine such small headphones to be good.
08:06:02xamdwihno: you stick these thingies into the ear canal and you don't hear any noise from outside any more .... no door bells, no telephone, no TV, no screaming, no fire alarm ... and then you turn on the sound ... it's just amazing
08:07:19xamdwihno: it's so silent you even start to hear your own heartbeat ... and you can't eat crisps anymore since it feels so loud ... it like a stetoscope effect
08:08:13xamthese in-canal-phones are really amazing ... I know the sound of the sennheiser HD580, and these are at least as good ...
08:08:13dwihnoxam: sounds all crazy ):
08:08:14dwihno:)
08:08:20dwihnopaying that much for something that small
08:08:40dwihnoalthough it would be nice to have a pair of new phones since my EX70's died on me. R.I.P.
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08:09:08xamdwihno: they were a little bit uncomfortable at the beginning though ... a little pressure like you have after flying in an airplane at high altitudes
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08:10:45xamI used to use sony MDR EDR-228 ear bugs for the last year ... I compared them with the etys and I thought: "holy shit, to what kind of crap was I listening the last year to"
08:12:07xamthe sonys (price about $25) were not too bad ... well, for that price ... and actually I thought they were quite decent altogether ... lol
08:12:50xamso what are you guys/girls using as ear-/headphones/boxes
08:13:12dwihnoMy were priced at 70
08:13:15dwihno$70
08:14:10xamdwihno: well it's not the price/size that matters
08:14:35dwihnoTrue, true.
08:14:52dwihnoBut the price is always a quality thing as well.
08:15:09dwihnoThen the evil stuff you got must be _THE_ shiznat :)
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08:17:07xamdwihno: not true. The price is NOT neccessary a quality thing ... look at bose, sony or bang&olufsen ... especially the latter produce rather lousy equipment (at least for that price)
08:17:35xamdwihno: you often just pay for the name
08:18:05dwihnoSony is not a name thing, imho.
08:31:37dwihnoHm
08:31:46dwihnoSo how is the acoustics, bass etc?
08:33:10dwihnoxam: don't fall asleep now! :)
08:33:44xamSony is a name thing when it comes to digital audio. Their equiment is crippled
08:33:59xamdwihno: sorry, thanks for waking me up
08:34:35xamdwihno: the acoustics of the etymotics? It's pretty much linear. I mean linear, like straight.
08:36:06xamdwihno: it's very natural, some say they feel like the bass is missing (since they always listened to bass boosted headphones), but I don't.
08:38:34xamI have the current setting (in archos) at treble: 4, bass:4, loudness: 8.
08:39:29xamI was told earlier today that the most linear settings in rockbox (i use version 2) are: treble 6, bass 6, loudness 0 (volume 75). is that correct?
08:41:09xammhhh, sound pretty good with the latter settings actually
08:41:27dwihnoIt is? I think the earbuds are exceptional compared to everything I've owned
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08:41:54*dwihno likes bass.
08:42:46dwihnoNorman Bass - How U like Bass
08:42:55dwihnoI like it very much, thank you! ;)
08:42:57*xam likes bass aswell, but usually bass is either too dominant (and you don't hear anything else anymore), or it is distorted
08:43:27xamwell, not anymore ;)
08:44:19dwihnoI would probably go nuts if a pair of phones did not have nice bass.
08:45:49xamdwihno: I had these sony which have something like "bass boost" or "bass turbo", and I actually had to turn the bass setting to <=3 (and rockbox bass boost off)
08:46:57xamdwihno: the etys are fine with bass=6 and no bass boost. well, I suppose you COULD turn it up a little bit for hiphop/rap ;)
08:47:18xamfor rock/pop it is ideal like it is
08:47:38*xam is sooo in love with his etys
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08:49:41xamthe only negative thing is that I can actually easily hear the typical MP3 distortions up to 192kbit/s now ... over 192kbit/s it sounds quite like from a CD
08:51:59dwihnoxam: so bass is evil good stuff? :)
08:52:07dwihnoDamn
08:52:18xamI was actually listening to some CDs and found out that quite a lot of them are recorded in a quite lousy quality, whereas some other are really good. Someone should make a review on CD recording quality (not whether they like the music, but how it was recorded)
08:52:23dwihnoI just got economic, saving $300 this month! :)
08:53:10dwihnoPerfect for an insane headphone purchase ;)
08:53:28xamdwihno: well, the bass is vivid and you can really hear it, in comparison to normal ear buds ... but nothing like a good box that makes you feel the vibrations going through your whole body
08:54:57xamdwihno: I guess the bass is as good as in a decent headphone. However a hi-end headphone could provide a little bit more feeling experience (ie. vibrations)
08:55:30xamdwihno: the sound is simply perfect ... you only don't have the vibrations ...
08:58:30xammhh, without loudness the sound is much more clearer in the mids
08:59:04dwihno:-)
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09:01:21xamwell, I'm really used to turn on loudness, since most headphones really don't work without it (ie 'where are the keyboards') ...
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09:04:09xamdwihno: the etys come with replacable filters and exchangable ear molds (you can even purchase custom made ear molds). The filters prevent ear wax from coming into the earphones (and actually filter the sound, ie. changing the sound profile a bit)
09:05:14xamthey come with a special screwdriver to exchange the filters (and a nice manual aswell)
09:05:38xamit's supposed to be done about once a year
09:06:14xamwell, i guess it depends on how often you use it and how clean you ears are ;)
09:08:38xamwell, anyway, I'm off soon. Either I will finish up my work (which I was supposed to show my supervisor), or I will just write a mail that I can't come to the meeting today
09:10:18xamI really don't like to do the latter (and prefer the first, being eager and honest ;), but I start getting tired again.
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09:13:59xamokay, cu ... nice talking to you
09:23:31dwihnoSame here!
09:23:40*dwihno has to go for meeting. Sheeesh!
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11:41:59trackmorning
11:41:59track;_)
11:43:11webmindmoin
11:43:31trackmy new 1Mb internet connection is now live :-)
11:44:51webmindnice
11:44:59webmindgot 2x 2mbit here though :)
11:45:14trackcool :-)
11:46:15LinusN2.5 here
11:47:03track:D
11:47:12trackwheres mikeholden?
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12:04:12Hes1Gbit/s here.
12:05:10LinusNHes: holy cow!
12:05:29Hes(not at home, though, just 2M/512k dsl there)
12:05:37HesNice to see you here Linus.
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12:33:38trackhello Hes
12:33:56webminddamnit
12:34:04trackhello webmind
12:34:07webmindits october... and there's snow....
12:34:09webmindhi track
12:34:15trackwell for me 1Mb is more than fast enough
12:34:22trackI could have 2Mb but its too expensive
12:34:48webmindHes, hmm.. one line is 2M/512K other is 2M/2M
12:34:51webmindboth business lines
12:38:34trackmine is a domestic ADSL connection
12:38:49trackbut for me 105Kbs download speed is blindingly fast
12:41:03webminduhuh
12:41:20webmindthese kinda need a solid bandwith
12:41:21webmindwell
12:41:22webmindin theorie
12:42:09trackwell im achieving 115Kbs right now
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17:45:05trackhello
17:46:35webmindoi
17:49:15trackyou do NOT come in here and address a man as oi!
17:50:44Plughoi!
17:51:09trackThere is really no need for the word "oi" its a sign of ignorance
17:51:51Plughno, you're mistaking oi with eh?
17:53:02trackbut if you adress someone as "oi" instead of their name its still a sign of ignorance
17:54:34trackdo you address Zagor as oi?
17:58:07Plughactually it doesn't seem webmind comes in here at all. As far as I can scroll back, he's been in the channel
17:58:43Plughmy theory is, he's a fixture. Like me
17:59:29Plughan oitomaton
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18:01:36Plughkinda like logbot, oinly more active
18:03:05webmindtrack, i say OI!
18:03:26webmindi address no one with 'oi'
18:03:34webmindi use 'oi' as a greeting
18:03:35webmindto anyone
18:03:36webmind:)
18:03:40webmindnow gone :)
18:03:58trackok
18:03:58track:)
18:04:12trackI need a new digital camera
18:04:39PlughI like my Fuji
18:04:59tracki have a Samsung Digimax 1.3Mp camera
18:05:01Plughtakes pix 1280x1024, vid clips, plays mp3
18:05:13Plughand it's small
18:05:19Plughtakes AA rechargeables
18:05:42Plughit's a Finepix 30i
18:06:01trackMy printer is superb
18:06:05PlughI have a couple spare cards for it, but I've never filled one up
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18:06:19trackon those special blank "photos" it does quality prints that are even better than from a lab
18:08:47*track away watching "The Weakest Link"
18:09:43Plughgeez. anon cvs seems to be 2 days behind dev
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18:10:14PlughI just got Wednesday's updates, but not yesterday's
18:18:38Plughwell, this is nice. I have today's build flashed in with a bookmark.ajz to rolo when I'm listening to books :)
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18:24:53Plughmorning
18:28:17Doggerhey
18:28:20Doggerhows life?
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18:31:51Doggerplugh?
18:33:59Plughgetting rdy to head to work
18:34:20Doggero ok
18:34:42Plughjust flashed my first build in over a month
18:34:59Plughwanted to make sure I wasn't going to lose my bookmark patch
18:37:43Plughnow there's only a slight inconvenience, that I have to rolo the bookmark patch to listen to books
18:37:43PlughI should probably just hack the patch to fit into current builds, but seems people are always updating wps.c, so it's gonna take about weekly maintenance
18:39:32Doggercool
18:39:42DoggerI did my first custom flash of AV340 last night
18:39:48Plughcongrats
18:39:50Doggermy heart beat went through the roof
18:39:53Plughhow'd it go?
18:40:00Doggeravos.sourceforge.net/pictures.html
18:40:09Doggercheck the last few
18:40:11Plughhave you managed to save off the existing fw?
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18:41:12Doggerirc server problems?
18:41:19Plughapparantly
18:41:23DoggerI can save some stuff... like plaintext,
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18:41:29Doggerbut some stuff is still compressed
18:41:43Doggershould be a couple more days till I have a full packer/depacker working
18:42:18Doggeryou like the picture?
18:42:23Plughwell, lemme congratulate you :)
18:42:30Plughgood pix
18:42:34Doggerthanks :)
18:42:42Doggeram glad I am finally getting somewhere
18:42:48Doggerthe encryption was lame,
18:42:50Plughso you just ripped the fw, pasted in some text, and flashed it back?
18:42:51Doggerbut I cracked it
18:43:02DoggerI cracked the encryption,
18:43:06Doggerchanged some text,
18:43:09Doggerencrypted it,
18:43:15Doggercalced checksum etc,
18:43:21Doggerthen dropped in new cjbm.ajz file
18:43:25Doggerand did an update
18:43:42Doggerthat text wasn't compressed so it was easy
18:43:43Plughso it's not a flash? Only a custom firmware file?
18:43:52Doggerhow you mean?
18:44:04Doggeryou put the file on the HDD, then select <update firmware>
18:44:15Doggerit looks for the file, verifys checksum,
18:44:24Doggerthen copies it to flash and reboots
18:44:36Plughsounds slightly different than the mp3 models
18:44:41Doggerbut since that method is software based update, if it goes wrong, ur screwed
18:44:45DoggerBUT
18:44:58Doggerthere is plaintext like 'UART_1 firmware update failed'
18:45:07Plughwith mp3 models, if it fucks up, you have a way to back out of it
18:45:08Doggerkindof suggesting you can do an update over the serial ;)
18:45:19Doggeryeah I haven't got that backdoor yet
18:45:27Doggerthats what I need to be able to do more complex devel
18:45:43Doggerthere is a keypress, on power on, which takes you into the update screen
18:45:49DoggerI assume its waiting for serial
18:45:55Plughpost your de/scramble to the project
18:45:59Dogger(it has a serial port but I havent built the adapter yet)
18:46:12Plughand you're gonna have devs beating down the door in no time
18:46:20Doggerdo you not think it might be something to bargain with archos?
18:46:42Plughwhy? They haven't even acknowledged us yet
18:46:47Doggereg either I can release the scrambler, or you can help me and I'll keep the scrambler to myself and only release ajz's
18:46:58Doggersure, good point
18:47:05Plughopen it
18:47:07Doggerso have they ever made any effort to stop you?
18:47:11Plughnope
18:47:11Doggeror make things hard for u?
18:47:14Plughnor help us
18:47:31Doggerdid rockbox ever post stuff abour archos firmware though?
18:47:34Plughonce the hardware hits the shelf, there's not much they can do to hinder us
18:47:39Plughnope
18:47:48Plughwas entirely the project team
18:48:01Doggerok, so as long as I dont start posting copyrighted firmware around, they cant do much really
18:48:14Plughyeah. just post the de/scramble
18:48:23Plughand let the dev community do the rest
18:48:30DoggerI really want to finish the compression/decompress before I post
18:48:37Doggershould be ready by monday or so
18:48:38Plughthere's folks out there who have been waiting for that for a long time
18:48:44Plughah, okie
18:48:49Doggeryeah
18:48:52Doggerbunch of lamers
18:48:53Dogger;)
18:49:19Doggerjust kidding
18:49:25Plughat least post a news article with a link to your pix from the project main page
18:49:36Doggerits harder encryption than mp3 player thats for sure
18:49:37Plughpeople come through all the time asking about the mm
18:49:42Doggersure
18:49:48Plughand I point them at your page
18:49:48DoggerI put a big pic on the home page
18:49:57DoggerI'll put some news up on the main page as well
18:49:59Doggercool thanks
18:50:05Plughah. there it is
18:50:09DoggerI am really trying to make this not vapourware
18:50:26DoggerI mean already I can change text if they want a custom version with their name on it ;)
18:50:36Plughyou're the furthest along of any project to date
18:50:53Plughbetter than nothing, for sure :)
18:50:57Doggerhere's a tip
18:51:01Doggerif you ever encrypt anything,
18:51:09Doggerdont use a plaintext ascii key
18:51:14Plughkinda the equivalent of the old LED flasher for the mp3
18:51:18Plughhehe
18:51:29Doggerwhat was that? (LED flasher)?
18:51:47Plughcare to share what the key was? Since I assume it's in the descramble
18:52:04PlughLED flasher was the first mp3 project
18:52:11Plughproof of concept
18:52:14Doggero ok, cool
18:52:17Plughproof of decryption
18:52:21Doggerthere are a few keys,
18:52:30Doggerbut they are things like 'jukeboxmultimedia'
18:52:33Dogger'vladmir'
18:52:38Doggerlamers
18:53:02Doggernot sure who vladmir is
18:53:26Plughprobably a dev
18:53:45Doggersure
18:53:53Doggerthere is some other funny plaintext comes out
18:53:58Plugh slen = length/4;
18:53:58Plugh for (i = 0; i < length; i++) {
18:53:58Plugh unsigned long addr = (i >> 2) + ((i % 4) * slen);
18:53:58DBUGEnqueued KICK Plugh
18:53:58Plugh unsigned char data = inbuf[i];
18:53:58Plugh data = ~((data << 1) | ((data >> 7) & 1)); /* poor man's ROL */
18:54:00Plugh outbuf[addr] = data;
18:54:01Doggerlike 'whoops wrong cluster number'
18:54:03Plugh }
18:54:05Plughthat's the rockbox scramble
18:54:15Doggeryep I spent quite a while looking at that
18:54:21Doggersee if they used something similar
18:54:34PlughI guess they didn't
18:54:56Doggernope
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18:57:56Plughapparantly Archos didn't learn much from mpaa, regarding CSS
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19:01:37Plughanyhow, I gotta get to work. I'll talk to ya later
19:01:50Doggersure ok
19:01:59Doggerand keep refering MM people to me :) thx
19:02:46Plughbe sure to post your success to the mailing list
19:03:08Doggeryep
19:03:08Plughand put something searchable in the subject. heh
19:07:25Doggersourceforge keeps being down for maintainence!
19:07:26Doggerdamn them
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19:40:16trackhrllo
19:40:17trackhello
19:44:49Doggerhey track
19:50:35PlughI'm back
19:50:45Doggerhey
19:51:20trackhello Plugh
19:51:29trackOh yeah back to the "oi" business
19:51:38Plughhehe
19:51:40Plughlet's not
19:51:45trackthere is someone who I know who is seriously offended by the word "oi"
19:52:04Plughthat's their trip then
19:52:14Plughyou can't change them. Don't bother trying. ;)
19:52:17trackHe doesn't mind if he is called a c**t or told to F**k off, but he takes huge offence to being called "oi"
19:53:22trackthe other day someone said "oi" to him, he went mad!!!!
19:53:57Plughpeople like that need a padded room to work off their angst
19:54:03trackheehee
19:54:14trackbut if you call him a cunt he's not bothered!
19:54:44Plughif someone called me a cunt I'd laugh at them
19:55:21Plughand if someone oi'd me, I'd wave back
19:55:24tracklol
19:55:32trackjust don't call Zagor that :-)
19:56:11PlughI might, just for fun
19:57:10tracklol
19:57:26tracki know someone who I wouldn't mind calling that
19:57:48Plughoi is just a greeting. It's not an address
19:57:52trackI loev to call mikeholden that :-)
19:58:02Plughnow, oi, you! would be an address
19:58:10tracklol
19:59:32trackNothing would give more satisfaction than to kick mikeholden's arse
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20:00:15Plughheh. Me and Fred Maxwell haven't exactly been seeing things eye to eye lately
20:00:23tracklol
20:00:38trackits the way mikeholden had a go at me after a feature request
20:00:44trackim still fuming over that
20:03:38trackthis is the request he had a go at me abouit
20:03:39trackhttp://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=732602&group_id=44306&atid=439121
20:07:17Plughit was a good technical discussion about why zipping mp3s is impractical, but the last comment was probably uncalled-for
20:09:13trackyea. Something like "Interesting theory but its too impractical to implement" would have sufficed
20:09:23tracknot "You really didn't think this through did you!"
20:09:35Doggerzipping mp3 files?
20:09:39Doggerwhy would anyone do that!
20:09:53trackto save HD space without losing sound quality
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20:10:18dsgtrack: You've obviously never tried compressing an MP3 with a general-purpose archiving format.
20:10:37dsgYou get the size of the original MP3, plus a few bytes for the zip header.
20:10:44trackwell I put 10 MP3s into a zip folder and I saved 2Mb HD space!!!
20:10:58dsgThen it must've been very badly encoded.
20:11:03Doggertrack: mp3s really arent that compressable
20:11:04Plughsize on disk or actual file size?
20:11:17PlughWindows uses a terrible clustering algorithm
20:11:18Doggerthey are already compressed well... trying to compress them again won't bear much fruit
20:11:22Plughvery wasteful
20:11:28trackwell I compressed an MP3 using the zip compression and it shaved 100Kb off the file size
20:11:46Doggertrack: try it on more than 1
20:11:51Doggertry it on 100 mp3s
20:11:57Doggeryou wont get any compression on most
20:12:01trackok what about LZW compression?
20:12:02Doggeryou may get expansion
20:12:19trackLZW compression is much more efficient than zip comression
20:12:32trackLZW compression is used to store files in cabinet folders
20:13:12trackLZW compression can squeeze 1Gb of files onto a 700Mb CDR
20:13:15Doggerur not understanding compression
20:13:15track:-)
20:13:23Doggermp3 files are compressed
20:13:30Doggerthat means you cant compress them any more
20:13:38Doggerin general
20:13:47trackyea but this is "lossless" compression
20:13:50Doggerread up on entropy etc
20:13:54Doggersame thing
20:13:55trackMP3 compression is Lossy
20:13:58Doggercompression is compression
20:14:22trackalright then, take a WAV file then zip it up
20:14:28PlughI wonder if mp3 can be fractal compressed :)
20:14:29trackso the archos can play it :-)
20:14:30dsgtrack: WAV files are not compressed.
20:14:35tracki knoe
20:14:36trackw
20:14:40dsgAnd archos cannot play WAVs.
20:14:41Doggerif you were able to compress mp3 files, then that would mean mp3 encoding is lame
20:14:59Doggerwav files are compressable
20:15:00Plughor if any audio at all can be reasonably fractal compressed
20:15:45trackthis is the best one
20:15:56Plughthere's actually some lossless audio compression algorithms out there. They get about 2:1 compression. Maybe 3:1
20:16:09Doggersure
20:16:10trackhttp://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=622395
20:16:47Doggerbut if you apply compression A, then compression B, and B succeeds in getting compression, that means A was crappy to start with
20:17:58Plughhehe
20:18:01tracklol
20:18:12Doggertry RLEing something, then zipping it. The zip will get compression because its better than RLE.
20:18:25PlughDogger: once you get the multimedia project underway you can start supporting lossless compression and ogg ;)
20:18:28Doggerbut mp3 is good compression... you won't squeeze much more out after mp3
20:18:32track"squeeze an entire album cover into one of the Player's character cells"
20:18:36DoggerI plan to
20:18:46DoggerI am going to implement an audio/video re-encoder,
20:18:52Doggerand have it able to be used on the fly
20:18:56Doggerso it can play anything
20:19:06Doggerperhaps it will just be a port of mplayer/mencoder
20:19:07Plughare you gonna go the easy route and do a Linux kernel?
20:19:13Doggeryes
20:19:18Doggerplans at the moment are a linux port
20:19:26dsgDogger: For what?
20:19:29Doggeralthough if that doesnt work out I'll code an O/S from scratch
20:19:34dsgthe Archos Multimedia?
20:19:37Doggeravos.sourceforge.net
20:20:01PlughI only wish the UNIX codec packs supported other cpus than intel
20:20:02dsgMkay.
20:20:19dsgPlugh: ffmpeg is much better at divx decoding anyway.
20:20:25dsgFaster, and multiplatform.
20:20:39Doggerall the divx is in hardware on the AV though
20:20:40dsgDogger: Nice. Have you gotten blob to run on it yet?
20:20:46dsg(Or is it not ARM-based?)
20:20:52DoggerARM7 core
20:20:59Doggerhaven't got *anything* to run on it yet
20:21:02dsgDogger: Oh, hardware DivX? Damn.
20:21:09Doggerproject only started 3 weeks ago
20:21:16Doggerso far I've cracked the firmware encryption,
20:21:21dsgWas hoping for a StrongArm powerful enough to decode divx :/
20:21:21PlughI kinda doubt they're doing hardware codecs at all
20:21:22Doggerand almost cracked the firmware compression
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20:21:50DoggerPlugh: the DSP does jpeg, mp3, mpeg4 divx decoding and encoding
20:21:53dsgDogger: Well... good luck ;)
20:22:01DoggerI'll need it :)
20:22:10Doggeryou should buy an AV3xx they are cool
20:22:50Plughif I had $800 lying around gathering dust I would
20:23:02Dogger$400 odd on ebay for 320
20:23:14Doggeror <$200 for Multimedia 20
20:28:41Plughnot too shabby
20:29:09PlughI'd want one that could output to composite or (drool) S-Video
20:29:27Plughand the one that can record looks pretty appealing
20:29:57Doggeryeah its very handy to record off tv/dvd player/cable/etc
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20:31:52Plughcan it record DVD? Is it subject to macrovision?
20:32:16PlughI don't really see why it would be
20:32:20DoggerI haven't actually trid,
20:32:22DoggerI dont think so
20:32:22Plughbut that would be a boon
20:32:30DoggerI usually rip the dvd on computer first
20:32:41Doggerit certainly wouldnt be in hardware
20:32:45Plughif you get a spare moment, try it out for me if you would
20:32:54Doggerif there was any copy protection it would just be firmware
20:33:06dsgYou can always get Macrovision killers though.
20:33:10Doggeryeah will do when I'm back in the UK next week (I have a dvd player there but not here)
20:33:32Plughdsg: more hardware, more money
20:33:40dsgPlugh: True.
20:34:12PlughI guess computer ripping is the best way to do it
20:34:55Doggercleaner I'd assume
20:34:59Doggerless noise
20:35:10Plughbtw, does anyone have experience with one-click DVD to divx tools?
20:35:11Doggeryou know the archos has ATA connector
20:35:24Doggerin theory you could connect a cd/dvdrom drive to it?
20:35:28Doggerpresumably
20:35:31Doggerinstead of the HDD
20:35:43Plughthe hardware would have to understand it
20:35:46Doggersure
20:35:57Doggernot sure if the ATA/ATAPI/USB2 bridge chip would,
20:36:07Doggerbut it might be cool if it did support DVD drives
20:36:53Plughwould take a hell of a cable :)
20:38:14Doggertrue :)
20:38:22Doggerwonder if the chip might support >1 device
20:38:28Doggerperhaps you could still have the HDD,
20:38:34Doggerrun a cable outside the machine
20:38:40Doggerand connect a DVD/CD drive
20:38:46Plughthat's what I'm thinking
20:39:27Doggerwhat I wanna do though
20:39:37Doggerthe av3xx has a serial port (stereo jack)
20:39:45Doggerso make a serial->serial connector cable,
20:39:51Doggerfix up 2 av3xx's together
20:39:57Doggerthen play a 2 player game
20:40:15Doggeror even connect a modem
20:40:20Doggerand play a multiplayer game :)
20:40:55PlughI'm thinking of stupid bus tricks
20:41:27Plughwhat can be translated over an ATA bus?
20:41:46DoggerI dont know a massive amount about ATA/ATAPI yet,
20:41:59Doggerapart from a programming device perspective
20:42:18Plughmy father-in-law is something of an expert
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20:42:41Plughwith a lot of spare time on his hands and a love for gadgets
20:42:49Doggerlol cool
20:43:08Plughif we can find a way to turn the mmjb into a digital photo storage device
20:43:22PlughI think you'd have another developer
20:43:50Plughright now the USB is kinda a one-way street
20:43:59Doggersure...
20:44:13DoggerI was wondering if the TMS320DSC25 supports usb host,
20:44:20Doggerbut am skeptical
20:45:02PlughI wonder if there's an ATAPI<->USB host bridge
20:45:41Doggerthere is a separate chip
20:45:47DoggerUSB2/ata/atapi bridge,
20:45:57Doggerand the TMS320DSC25 also does usb1
20:46:03Doggernot sure if either can host
20:46:11Doggerwould be very nice if it could
20:46:49Doggerif not it could do serial based cameras
20:46:59Doggeras long as the UART can go to right settings
20:47:07Doggermy old Kodak dc215 has serial not usb
20:48:00Plughhe's been using microdrive cameras
20:48:04dsgDogger: Are there USB chips that can do both master and slave?
20:48:10dsgI thought they were always one or the other.
20:48:24PlughI know there's ATA to PCMCIA adapters out there
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20:49:26Plughhe'd love to be able to free up space on his microdrives and view his results immediately without carrying around a bulky laptop
20:49:31Doggerdsg: not sure... but presumably the main DSP/CPU that has USB built in could be doing both?
20:49:44DoggerPlugh: I do that at the moment
20:49:52DoggerI just got the CF reader plugin for my av3xx
20:49:57Doggerreads my microdrive fine
20:49:59Plughoh, kickass
20:50:08Doggerjust copy the files accross no problems
20:50:17Doggergot 40gig of photo space while out on the move :)
20:50:22dsgDogger: I only know one CPU with USB built in... the Intel SA-1100 (StrongArm), and that can only do slave.
20:50:34Plughin that case I suspect he'd be interested now
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20:50:41Doggerdsg: k
20:50:50DoggerPlugh: should get one... they are very cool
20:50:59Doggerand soon, we'll have linux on it as well :)
20:51:03Plughand he's no stranger to ripping apart the unit to upgrade the hd to 80gig
20:51:12Doggersure...
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21:17:46BluechipLinus? Zagor? you hiding?
21:18:26Doggerhello Bluechip
21:18:40Bluechiphello
21:23:33elinenbeBluechip: hello!
21:23:39elinenbeBluechip: how are things coming?
21:23:51Bluechipguten abend
21:23:59elinenbeZagor/Linus should maybe be around soon... they usually come around in the evening.
21:24:08Bluechipstill awaiting contact with Linus or Zagor
21:24:19Bluechipcool - I will hang around then :)
21:24:57Bluechipjust had our DVD CPU updated, so I'm working on the tool chain for that at the moment :(
21:32:22Doggerare you a developer Bluechip?
21:32:59Bluechipnot really done much with rockbox, but yes, firmware is my "thing"
21:33:12Doggercool
21:33:26DoggerI manage avos.sourceforge.net
21:33:34Doggerjust starting to develop firmware for av3xx
21:33:43Bluechipcoool
21:33:49Bluechiphow's it going?
21:33:53Doggernot 2 bad
21:33:58Doggercracked the encryption,
21:34:03Doggeralmost done the compression
21:34:06BluechipI'm just started with a new decompiler for ESS 6xxx series CPUs
21:34:16Doggerand I got my first mod'ed firmware to run last night
21:34:19Bluechipwhat encryption used?
21:34:23Dogger(Just changed some text - see photos)
21:34:25Bluechipwhat probelms with compression?
21:34:31Doggercool
21:34:34Doggerencryption is lame
21:34:41Doggercompression is similarly pretty lame
21:34:45Doggerboth proprietory
21:34:48Bluechipnot as lame as ADF encryption for the audio on GTA 3
21:34:52Doggeror at least I never seen them before
21:35:27Doggerall I will say about the encryption - Why do people insist on using plaintext encryption keys? and with their names in??? what are they stupid?
21:35:36BluechipADF is an MP3 with XOR 22
21:35:38BluechipLMAO
21:35:41Doggerhahahaha
21:35:42Bluechip(for both)
21:35:57DoggerI think there should be a new term for XOR.... it's not good enough to be termed encryption
21:36:10Bluechiplol
21:36:25Bluechiphey when I started it was always XOR 128, at least they've moved on
21:36:50Dogger:) true
21:37:10Doggergod forbid if they start using real encryption
21:37:19DoggerI won't hold my breath though
21:37:31Bluechiplest we not complain!!!
21:37:35Bluechiplol
21:37:54Doggerdefinately
21:38:01DoggerI have cracked far far far harder encryption
21:38:05Bluechipstill not seen anything on minidisk
21:38:06Doggerand it took weeks
21:38:38Doggerminidisk?
21:38:42Doggeris that encrypted?
21:38:47Bluechipthe usb connection is
21:38:52Doggero ok,
21:38:55Doggerinteresting
21:39:13Doggerbut you have the code on the PC surely
21:39:17Doggerso you can just RE that?
21:39:44Bluechipcant crack the encryption key apparently
21:39:50Bluechipnever really done much with it myself
21:40:04Doggerbut if an app on the pc can read it,
21:40:11Doggeryou can make another prog that can read it
21:40:21Doggeror am I misunderstanding what it does
21:40:31Bluechipyou need a unique key for each track - that is what they cannot generate
21:40:39Doggerah ok
21:40:54Bluechipi'm not really explaining this too well, but there's quite a bit around about it if you get keen
21:40:57Doggerminidisk never seemed to really catch on like it should have IMHO
21:41:07Doggersure... sounds like an interesting problem
21:41:13Doggerbut I have enough to do with the av3xx
21:41:27DoggerTI dont release the spec sheets for the DSP in it
21:41:32Doggerso that will be interesting
21:42:44Bluechipremember, someone somewhere will have access to them!
21:42:54Bluechipand they may not necessarily be a techie
21:43:00Bluechipit has never failed me yet!
21:44:16Dogger:)
21:45:40DoggerI have some people I may be able to ask...
21:46:42Bluechipwell if I hear anything I will remmeber you
21:47:00Doggercool thanks
21:48:00Bluechipi presume you have thrown a block of data at every decompressor known to man
21:48:22Bluechipit's almost bound to be zip or lzh based - the last i saw was lz-int use by Phoenix
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22:00:54TheDude23hello
22:01:00Bluechipevenin
22:01:04TheDude23alrighty
22:01:12TheDude23well i just read about this in CPU magazine
22:01:30TheDude23i have a jukebox 20....able to use this software?
22:01:31Bluechipcool - magazine fame :)
22:01:35TheDude23heh
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22:01:57Bluechipyep, go here http://rockbox.haxx.se/daily.shtml
22:02:16Bluechipget the latest daily build - the official release is soooooo old now, it's just not worth running
22:03:00TheDude23ok, gotcha
22:03:01TheDude23lol
22:03:07TheDude23now which one do i want, heh
22:03:25Bluechiprecorder
22:03:32Bluechipajz is the main firmware
22:03:37Bluechiprocks is the plugins
22:03:52Bluechipucl is the flash component
22:04:03Bluechipnot sure what full includes
22:04:24Bluechipthere is also a mailing list
22:05:16TheDude23and what is the 8mb?
22:05:51Bluechiphardware upgrade with a soldering iron
22:06:01TheDude23oh
22:06:04TheDude23lol
22:06:06TheDude23hmm
22:06:17TheDude23well i think what i need is a new battery, lol
22:07:30TheDude23full - Full zip archive, with rockbox, plugins, languages, docs, fonts, ucl etc.
22:07:32TheDude23:)
22:07:59Bluechiprighty it DOES include the ucl - just noticed that the ucl file was listed right of "full"
22:08:02Bluechip:)
22:08:08Bluechipcheers
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22:15:02DoggerBluechip: am pretty sure the compression is proprietory... not lzh/zip.... but it looks pretty lame
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22:32:16Trackhello
22:32:20Trackchappies
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22:49:16Doggerhi Track
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22:57:07TheDude23ok
22:57:13TheDude23back, had to take a shower
22:57:25Bluechiplove the imagery you generate
22:57:39TheDude23i have the jukebox multimedia
22:57:40TheDude23lol
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22:58:23TheDude23will i be able to flash my jukebox multimedia 20?
22:58:27xammhh, my 2100mAh batteries suck
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22:58:49xamTheDude23: nope, rockbox is only for the studio & recorder
22:58:58TheDude23damnit
22:59:21xamTheDude23: the multimedia is an entirely different beast
22:59:34[IDC]Dragon2Hey, I fell out of the chat, now my nick is taken. How do I remove it?
22:59:43DoggerTheDude23: avos.sourceforge.net
22:59:54Doggerdeals with multimedia products
22:59:58Dogger(will do) ;)
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23:00:00xam /msg nickserv ghost [IDC]Dragon <password>
23:00:41xam[IDC]Dragon2: alternatively just wait for a couple of minutes, it will eventually timeout
23:00:50[IDC]Dragon2OK, thanks
23:01:01TheDude23avos.sourceforge.net is for the tablet type
23:01:10[IDC]Dragon2I've seen you owm Ety's like me?
23:01:14Doggeryes but the mm20 is similar
23:01:17TheDude23mine is the one that is still small and can play video
23:01:21Doggerwe are going to support both
23:01:23xamyes, they're godsent
23:01:43DoggerTheDude23: we dont have downloads yet, but we are working on it :)
23:01:54[IDC]Dragon2I learned to appreciate them at an airplane ride.
23:01:55TheDude23oh ok, so i should be checking back later?
23:01:57xam[idc]dragon: can't believe the sound quality of these little thingies
23:02:14xam[idc]dragon I have the ER-4P with the 4S-adapter
23:02:24[IDC]Dragon2They are the most precise I have, but lack some bass.
23:02:24TheDude23but i think the problem with my player is my damn battery, i think i need to go to like the homedepot and buy a new one or something
23:02:40xam[idc]dragon what kind of Etys do you have?
23:02:50[IDC]Dragon2I have 4S
23:03:11TheDude23is thre any retail store in the us that i can buy these batterys from?
23:03:15xam[idc]dragon yes, I also had the feeling the 4S has not as much bass as the 4P
23:03:38[IDC]Dragon2Would have preferred 4P, but they are still efficient enough.
23:03:41xam[idc]dragon some people said it's much better with an amp
23:03:59[IDC]Dragon2The only difference is the resistor in the cable.
23:04:28[IDC]Dragon2I guess all phones are better with a proper amp.
23:05:27[IDC]Dragon2And they nicely fit into the front pouch of the neoprene bag.
23:05:50xam[idc]dragon I've seen some distortions (at low ends, bass) with some MP3 ... particularily when I have to turn on the volume to 90% (or higher) when I use the 4S ... however the 4P don't show these distortions (since they usually run at 75-85% volume)
23:06:35[IDC]Dragon2Don't go higher than 93%, that is in fact 100%. Above that the output easily clips.
23:06:35xam[idc]dragon so the distortions came just from the fact that I was using archos with volume at about 95%
23:06:56xam[idc]dragon ahh, I see ... make sense
23:07:36xamwhat are the most 'linear' setting? is treble:6 bass:6 loudness:off bassboost:off correct?
23:09:38[IDC]Dragon2I thought 0 dB...
23:10:26TheDude23so the jukebox multimedia, anyone know what battery it uses or where i can get it?
23:11:26xamme too ... but some guy said it was the settings mentioned above ...
23:11:41xamso what do you use then?
23:11:52[IDC]Dragon2I could look it up in the source code...
23:12:22[IDC]Dragon2I try 0 dB, but the defaults often set it to +6
23:13:41xammhh ... well, it sounds good with+6 for me ;) well actually everything sounds fantastic with etys *grin*
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23:15:16xamthere you go
23:15:44xamwell anyway I'm off to the pub ... see you
23:15:48[IDC]Dragon2OK, I try my old ID
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23:21:01Neurosupherothello
23:21:05Neurosupheroti have a quastion
23:21:17Neurosupherotther is a new mp3
23:21:18Plughthen ask it :)
23:21:21Neurosupherotthe gmini120
23:21:31Neurosupherotthere are plug ins for it
23:21:35Bluechipa "qua" is a three toed sloth
23:22:01Neurosupherotis it possible to create own plugins?
23:22:33PlughI don't know anything about gemini120
23:22:41Neurosupherotoh
23:22:46Neurosupherotit is very new
23:24:17Trackiim aware of it neuro
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23:24:46pedrovhi
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23:25:50Doggerit uses the new firmware format
23:25:55Doggerwhich is encrypted/compressed
23:26:01Doggerafaik
23:26:09Tracksomthing like that yea
23:26:14TrackI think it uses software decoders
23:26:22Trackit can play MP3, WMA and WAV
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23:27:25Tracknot sure if plays Ogg though
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23:28:48Neurosupherotit can be upated with plug ins
23:29:08Trackyea
23:29:10Neurosupherotbut it is not free
23:29:12Trackbut u pay to download them
23:29:28Neurosupherotand it is just a file
23:29:35Neurosupheroti think
23:30:07Neurosupheroti wonder if later, we will be able to edit it
23:30:45Neurosupherotor create our own plug ins
23:32:06Plughnew hardware? From Archos?
23:32:48Plughthis group only develops for the Archos products with the SH-1 processor and the MAS decoder chip
23:33:26Plughand Dogger's ripping apart the Multimedia players. He's an animal. :)
23:33:57Trackthe Gmini may wipe the floor with all other MP3 players
23:34:16Plughcool
23:34:23Plughtoo bad I already bought an fmr
23:34:42Plughoh well. you gotta get on the technology bandwagon at some point
23:34:56Trackyea
23:34:58Bluechipcan you still swap it for a recorder?
23:35:01Trackmy recorder is quite old now
23:35:09PlughI don't think so, chip
23:35:14PlughI wish I could
23:35:18PlughI don't use the fm
23:35:21Bluechipgotta be worth a try
23:35:29Bluechiphow old is it?
23:35:37Track1 year and 3 months
23:35:55Plugh5 months?
23:36:02Plughmaybe 6
23:40:49Trackok
23:42:34Neurosupheroti hope that someone will succed to decrypt the gmini plugins
23:43:34Plughif they've got a business model based on selling plugins, I'm sure they've got room in that model to prosecute anyone who tries to reverse engineer it
23:44:06Plughunlike the Archos, in which they have no real reason to keep the code proprietary
23:44:23Plugh(except maybe to cover up bad programming)
23:45:14Tracki know a website that sells dirt-cheap ink cartridges
23:46:18Trackperhaps if archos get brainy enough then theres no need for rockbox :))
23:47:49Neurosupheroti wnanna buy a mp3
23:48:11Neurosupheroti wanted the jukebox 20 but now, there is the gmini
23:48:39Tracki have the urge for a Gmini also
23:48:47PlughArchos isn't going to put any more development effort into old hardware
23:48:59Trackyea
23:49:03Plughthey've discontinued most of the models we're developing for
23:49:04Neurosupheroti want the jukebox 20 thanks to rockbox
23:49:20Trackthe new Archos's can even whole HD shuffle without having to make a playlist
23:49:31Neurosupherotthen if i have a jukebox 20 i can edit the os
23:49:39Neurosupherotthis is very great
23:50:15Trackwhats that neuro?
23:50:49Neurosupherotbut the gmini is more performant, but we cant modify the os at this momoent
23:51:16Trackyea it looks like Archos finally has it sorted
23:51:24Trackso maybe there is no need for rockbox to alter it
23:51:39Neurosupherotthen
23:51:55Neurosupherotwhich mp3 sould i buy?
23:52:00Bluechiprecorder20
23:52:12Bluechipzero regrets
23:52:25Bluechip(maybe would have liked a flashable one)
23:52:54Neurosupherotwe can modify the os in the recorder 20 i think
23:53:02Plughlooks like the Gmini uses that stupid LiIon battery
23:53:10Trackit does plugh
23:53:48Neurosupherotit is possible to break totally the mp3 if there is a bad os?
23:53:59Plughand recording is an extra $20
23:54:16Plughall the hardware is there but you gotta buy the software
23:54:17Plughlame
23:54:25Bluechipno, only a bad flash
23:54:43Neurosupheroti mean, is it possible that the mp3 wont boot?
23:54:47Neurosupherotdue to a bad os
23:55:03Neurosupherotim sorry for my english, i am french
23:56:01Plughlooks like the Gmini finally did something right. You can access your music by album, song title, etc
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23:58:25Neurosupherotis it possible to do this with an edited os for the recorder20?
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