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#rockbox log for 2003-11-14

00:03:59 Join quelsaruk [0] (~bibcentr1@193.136.159.170)
00:04:04quelsarukhi
00:06:04 Quit thedude02 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
00:08:02quelsarukhas anyone here batts with more than 1500 mAh??
00:26:18 Quit quelsaruk ()
00:26:58 Join Jet8810 [0] (~Jet8810@adsl-34-11-50.mia.bellsouth.net)
00:59:39 Join BoD[] [0] (~BoD@massena-6-82-66-230-87.fbx.proxad.net)
00:59:43BoD[]Hello :)
01:00
01:09:16 Quit _aLF ("bye")
01:11:55 Quit adi|home (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
01:12:17***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:22:49 Join k3no_ [0] (~hosted@80.178.44.17.forward.012.net.il)
01:25:02 Join midknight2k3 [0] (midknight2@12-229-204-15.client.attbi.com)
01:25:08midknight2k3hi jet
01:30:39Jet8810hey
01:32:51 Quit k3no (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
01:33:49midknight2k3making a new patch
01:34:32 Join ze [20] (psyco@adsl-63-205-42-70.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net)
01:34:35midknight2k3not that it affects the ZEN USER
01:34:38midknight2k3hello ZE
01:34:43midknight2k3making a new patch
01:34:44midknight2k3not that it affects the ZEN USER
01:34:45zeheh
01:34:47zehi
01:35:10midknight2k3zen users, unite! and be sad!
01:36:05midknight2k3how is the zen?
01:36:17zeit's good
01:36:17ze:p
01:36:26midknight2k3messed with one a few weeks ago
01:36:27midknight2k3borring!
01:36:37midknight2k3one guy walked by the other day with one
01:36:43midknight2k3i wanted to laugh
01:37:05 Join Empeethree [0] (icechat5@ACBCC561.ipt.aol.com)
01:37:09midknight2k3oh great
01:37:29Empeethreeoh great
01:38:13Jet8810heh
01:38:16Jet8810midknight, they are ok
01:38:20Jet8810but I do still like archos more
01:38:42midknight2k3Jet8810: we know. :)
01:38:53Jet8810lol
01:38:57Empeethreehi Jet
01:39:01Jet8810hey mp3
01:39:09midknight2k3its track
01:39:11midknight2k3dont be fooled
01:39:20Jet8810haha
01:39:23Jet8810hey tracktheripper
01:39:25midknight2k3track: private chat! if you can figure out in icechat
01:39:33Empeethreeshut up midknight
01:39:37Empeethreehi Jet whats up
01:39:44midknight2k3(icechat5@ACBCC561.ipt.aol.com)
01:39:52midknight2k3also a good line about a new adsl line
01:40:10Empeethreetrack uses jIRC
01:40:12midknight2k3track: okkay, i guess you dont want my latest patch preview ajbrec.ajz
01:40:13Empeethreeim not on jIRC
01:40:21midknight2k3you use icechat you always boast about it
01:40:27midknight2k3the only reason you dont is cause its BROKEN
01:41:14midknight2k3must you keep lying?
01:41:22Empeethreebull
01:41:33CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
01:41:33*midknight2k3 hits ignore
01:41:38Empeethreeok
01:41:45midknight2k3Empeethree!*@* added to ignore list.
01:41:47midknight2k3indeed
01:41:49Empeethreeok
01:41:54Empeethreedo what you want im not worried
01:42:17midknight2k3say all
01:42:28midknight2k3should i make the icon for the play button "play" or "pause"
01:42:38midknight2k3play sort of blends into the >>
01:42:40midknight2k3hmm
01:45:40Empeethreeok
01:45:42midknight2k3track
01:45:44midknight2k3for your info
01:45:48midknight2k3and all else's
01:45:50midknight2k3here it is:
01:45:51midknight2k3__
01:45:52midknight2k319.40.38 Join IceGuest_ [0] (~icechat5@ACBC1D96.ipt.aol.com)
01:45:52DBUGEnqueued KICK midknight2k3
01:45:52midknight2k319.40.58 # <IceGuest_> hi
01:45:52midknight2k319.41.39 Nick IceGuest_ is now known as track (~icechat5@ACBC1D96.ipt.aol.com)
01:45:52***Alert Mode level 1
01:45:52midknight2k319.42.23 # <Cheek> hey
01:45:53***Alert Mode level 2
01:45:53midknight2k319.42.27 # <track> hello
01:45:56midknight2k319.42.36 # <track> installed my very first IRC client today
01:45:58midknight2k319.43.08 # <track> its the IceChat IRC client
01:46:00midknight2k319.43.28 # <Cheek> wow ;)
01:46:04midknight2k319.43.36 # <track> what IRC client u using?
01:46:05midknight2k319.43.45 # <Cheek> mirc
01:46:07midknight2k319.43.54 # <track> cool
01:46:11midknight2k319.44.05 # <track> Icechat has a nicer interface than the jIRC chat
01:46:13midknight2k319.44.16 # <track> For some reason I get the feeling i was banned from using jIRC
01:46:15midknight2k3__
01:47:04Empeethreewhatever you say
01:47:30Jet8810heh
01:47:38Jet8810sigh, can we please end the quarreling?
01:47:51Empeethreeits mid thats doing all the argueing
01:47:54Empeethreelike he always does
01:48:03midknight2k3i'm glad i cannot see any quarrelling
01:48:04midknight2k3:)
01:48:07midknight2k3ignore works!
01:48:14midknight2k3never used it before
01:48:40Jet8810mp3, please, lose it
01:48:45Jet8810and you too midknight
01:49:01Jet8810:-D
01:49:12midknight2k3:D
01:49:19midknight2k3i can see no reason for him to lose it
01:49:25midknight2k3as i cannot see him talking
01:49:43CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
01:49:43*midknight2k3 dances around
01:49:46Jet8810heh
01:49:48*Jet8810 slaps him
01:50:21midknight2k3why>?
01:50:22midknight2k3meany
01:52:53 Quit Empeethree ("IceChat IRC client - Download it at http://www.icechat.net/")
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01:54:39midknight2k3not gonna work.. you need to change nick to evade the ignore
01:54:42midknight2k3sadly
01:54:51midknight2k3that's the way Xchat works
01:55:11 Quit Empeethree (Client Quit)
01:55:19midknight2k3try once more
01:55:20BoD[]or:
01:55:28midknight2k3X-Chat i mean
01:55:30BoD[]that's the way Xwork chats
01:55:35*midknight2k3 hates wrong capitalization
01:55:45BoD[]OR
01:55:54 Join track [0] (~icechat5@ACBCC561.ipt.aol.com)
01:55:55midknight2k3thats the chat Xway works
01:55:55***Alert Mode OFF
01:56:02midknight2k3can you speak track? are you ok?
01:56:05trackare you happy now?
01:56:10BoD[]that's the work Xways chats
01:56:13midknight2k3thats unfaor
01:56:16BoD[]ORRRrrrr
01:56:23midknight2k3i need to find "ignore by ip"
01:56:35trackyou are a horrible person mid
01:56:40midknight2k3hmm! "invisible mode"
01:56:43midknight2k3what does that do
01:56:45midknight2k3just let me try a sec
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01:56:54midknight2k3cool
01:57:37BoD[]chat's the work Xthat ways
01:57:52trackok mid where is this patch?
01:57:52midknight2k3stop bod
01:57:54midknight2k3lol
01:57:56BoD[]:))))
01:58:03midknight2k3BoD[]: got a recorder
01:58:11BoD[]isit good
01:58:15midknight2k3i have a new patch want a preview?
01:58:22BoD[]does it have good soldering ? ;)
01:58:28midknight2k3track: i could send it, but..
01:58:31midknight2k3yes it does bod
01:58:36 Part mg ("Leaving")
01:58:36midknight2k3the players soldering is laughable
01:58:48trackmid do you really have something against me now?
01:58:50BoD[]well my soldering problems were on a recorder
01:58:58midknight2k3why bod?
01:59:21BoD[]why ? don't know why ! maybe cause archossuxz!
01:59:22midknight2k3tracK; why does it matter? i am so annoying, why would you care?
01:59:28midknight2k3BoD[]: it does not :)
01:59:40midknight2k3BoD[]: it does not
01:59:41BoD[]wellll they sure suxz when it's about soldering :)
01:59:42midknight2k3awesomer
01:59:46midknight2k3I LOVE XCHAT
01:59:51BoD[]or:
01:59:58BoD[]I X LOVECHAT
01:59:59midknight2k3no they dont
02:00
02:00:03midknight2k3stop that
02:00:05BoD[]:)))
02:00:08trackok mid where is this patch?
02:00:13midknight2k3its right here
02:00:16midknight2k3for my eyes only
02:00:23BoD[]I CHAT XLOVE
02:00:23midknight2k3my annoying eyes
02:00:27midknight2k3STOP IT
02:00:29midknight2k3heh
02:00:41trackok mid lets stop this petty fighting
02:00:43trackall the time
02:00:44track:)
02:00:56midknight2k3BoD[]: arent you the one who taught me how to compile
02:01:03BoD[]maybe
02:01:08BoD[]don't remember :)
02:01:09midknight2k3track: i ask for not much in return
02:01:17midknight2k3you did
02:01:19midknight2k3i thank you
02:01:27BoD[];)
02:01:29midknight2k3i am good at programming now! so that i am on the rockbox credits list
02:01:30BoD[]noprob
02:01:34trackwell done mid
02:01:34*midknight2k3 is happy
02:01:41trackim very very pleased for you mid
02:01:51midknight2k3you sure sound like it! very convincing
02:01:53midknight2k3lol
02:02:05BoD[]what did you do ?
02:02:10BoD[]to be on the credits
02:02:14midknight2k3FM Radio patch
02:02:16trackmid when are you gonna teach me to compile?
02:02:19BoD[]that does what
02:02:26midknight2k3track: you WANT to compile?
02:02:34midknight2k3its some FM Radio improvements
02:02:42BoD[]ok great!
02:02:51BoD[]i'm proud of you:)
02:03:00midknight2k3hehe thx and i am glad you helped me compile
02:03:13track:-p
02:03:15BoD[]well it's always a pleasure to help
02:03:15*midknight2k3 gives thanks to: LinusN, Bod and hardeep
02:03:19track(y)
02:03:24BoD[]OR
02:03:27midknight2k3icechat has emoticons track
02:03:32midknight2k3no other irc client does
02:03:33BoD[]well it's always a help to pleasure
02:03:35midknight2k3please dont use them
02:03:43*midknight2k3 regrets thanking BoD
02:03:57BoD[]:)))))
02:04:29midknight2k3OH YES
02:04:33midknight2k3yay
02:05:15midknight2k3cygwin: 216kb/sec, retrieving.
02:08:25BoD[]anyway i'm going to bed now ! seeyouall
02:08:37 Quit BoD[] ("dodo")
02:08:38midknight2k3bye
02:17:35 Quit track (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))
02:18:54midknight2k3ze
02:18:55midknight2k3around?
02:21:50zenot really
02:22:18midknight2k3remember what causes a "PANIC! Stkov Scroll" ?
02:22:35midknight2k3nm
02:22:36midknight2k3hehe
02:22:43midknight2k3stack overflow in scroll thread
02:22:59midknight2k3hahahahah
02:23:03midknight2k3g wiz wrote:
02:23:03midknight2k3> What is the Stoycov scroll and should I panic? (I may
02:23:03midknight2k3> have the spelling wrong)
02:23:09midknight2k3should i Panic?
02:23:10midknight2k3hahaha
02:27:59midknight2k3THOSE TWO TIMERS!
02:28:08midknight2k3mayeb thats not the right word, but man
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02:39:15 Quit Jet8810 ("Leaving")
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02:53:18 Join yeft [0] (nospin@pcp04986012pcs.benslm01.pa.comcast.net)
02:53:26yeftyooo my open source geniuses
02:54:33yefthelloooo?
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03:05:05midknight2k3YEFT
03:05:06midknight2k3what?
03:05:19midknight2k3brb
03:05:46yeftwait
03:06:04yeftyou know the stuff they put in schools to block the websites you go to,....
03:06:10yeftis there any free/ open source of that?
03:06:24thedude02uhm...
03:06:27thedude02use Googley
03:06:39yefti don't know what to type
03:06:50thedude02Websense
03:07:01yeftwebsense isnt that pay?
03:07:09thedude02dunno
03:07:11yeft...i'm the master of getting around websense
03:07:14thedude02just do a google
03:08:30thedude02luck?
03:10:25thedude02HEllo?
03:11:19thedude02bye!...
03:11:20thedude02?
03:11:39thedude02anybody here...?
03:11:46yeft?
03:11:51yeftim here
03:11:52thedude02any luck?
03:11:56yeftnone yet
03:11:59thedude02K
03:12:01thedude02\
03:12:19***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
03:15:20thedude02bye
03:15:23thedude02going to bed
03:16:38midknight2k3back yeft
03:16:52yeftyou know of oen mk?
03:17:05midknight2k3oen?
03:17:10midknight2k3Bess?
03:17:15midknight2k3website blocker?
03:17:58yeftyes
03:18:02yeftwebsite blocka
03:18:06midknight2k3BESS i hate that thing
03:18:08midknight2k3dammit
03:18:17yeft(cgi proxy like megaproxy)
03:18:23midknight2k3me+a schoolmate are leading a revolt :)
03:18:26yeftor real proxy if you have a dumb school
03:18:40midknight2k3we used a proxy to get around it last year
03:18:41yeftrevolt is no use, state law
03:18:49midknight2k3i mean, getting around it
03:18:51midknight2k3not a revolt
03:18:52midknight2k3whatever
03:20:09midknight2k3you want one then?
03:21:29yeftyes
03:22:01midknight2k3sec
03:22:04midknight2k3i might be able to help
03:22:08midknight2k3got your fm rec around right
03:23:08yeftumm
03:23:11yeftbattery is dead
03:23:22yefti put the playmakers theme on repeat during school
03:24:41midknight2k3hehe
03:24:43yeftTO KILL BESS:
03:24:43yeftopen the internet properties on your browser and get into the network settings. Under the proxy tab, clear anything under proxy or just turn it off. If you know of an alternative proxy server you should use that insted. BESS IS NOT ON THE HARDDRIVE! Bess is meerly an evil proxy server (somewhere in southern california
03:24:43midknight2k3charge it
03:24:52midknight2k3we got blocked out
03:24:59yeftoh i know what you mean
03:24:59midknight2k3believe me we're far into this
03:25:00yeftthen go to
03:25:06yefthttps://www.megaproxy.com
03:25:12midknight2k3blocked! by bess.
03:25:13yeftand don't forget the httpS
03:25:15yeftS
03:25:15yeftS
03:25:19midknight2k3diddnt think of thaT?
03:25:25yeft; )
03:25:30yeftone step ahead of yah'
03:25:47midknight2k3oh?
03:26:14midknight2k3it wont work
03:26:18midknight2k3blocked by bess right
03:29:55yeftno it should
03:29:59yeftit works against websense
03:33:46midknight2k3this is BESS
03:33:48midknight2k3not WEBSENSE
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03:40:09yeftoh sorry
03:40:16yeftmmmmmmm...you like the site i just find accidentally
03:40:30yefthttp://www.security.nnov.ru/advisories/content.asp
03:40:42yeftthe white papers ...
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03:48:37midknight2k3whats the dimensions of the screen>
03:52:07midknight2k3nm
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04:44:41 Join o-_-o [0] (~manju@203-195-203-113.now-india.net.in)
04:44:47o-_-ohello
04:49:02o-_-oanybody here who has used pfaedit
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05:20:35midknight2k3anyoen here that can make icons?
05:20:36o-_-oanybody here who has used pfaedit ?
05:20:40midknight2k3hehe
05:20:46o-_-o:-)
05:20:47midknight2k3thats was both at the same second
05:20:55o-_-oheh
05:21:07midknight2k305.20.35 # <midknight2k3> anyoen here that can make icons?
05:21:07midknight2k305.20.36 # <o-_-o> anybody here who has used pfaedit ?
05:21:08midknight2k3vlose
05:21:10midknight2k3close
05:21:25midknight2k3scott666, ze, mt, anyone
05:21:43midknight2k3i need a 8 bit or less 7x8 icon of the ON button
05:21:53midknight2k3it'd be for a good cause! :)
05:22:17o-_-omine is for a bad cause ? :-)
05:22:33midknight2k3no
05:22:39midknight2k3mine is for a better casue :D
05:22:39o-_-ojk :-)
05:22:43o-_-ohaha
05:22:45midknight2k3what's your cause?
05:23:05o-_-owell I am trying to make a font to save an ancient language from perishing :-)
05:23:18midknight2k3do a LANG file
05:23:22*midknight2k3 nods
05:23:23elinenbemidknight2k3: are you working on anything for Rockbox?
05:23:29midknight2k3elinenbe: yes
05:23:39midknight2k3i cant use a 7x8 icon of ON for windows can i? :)
05:24:12midknight2k3i'd be eternally in your debt
05:24:20midknight2k3just one ON icon
05:24:49midknight2k3can you?
05:27:01elinenbemidknight2k3: what are you up to?
05:27:37midknight2k3hehe.. a quick screen revampation
05:27:38midknight2k3tell ya what
05:27:42midknight2k3what model do you have?
05:27:46midknight2k3i can send you a ajbrec
05:29:57midknight2k3if.. you're.. around...
05:36:58midknight2k3around?
05:44:18midknight2k3elinenbe, I guess you cannot help?
05:53:26*midknight2k3 mutters under his breath :)
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08:06:38nillionstopmail fullversion ?
08:08:37nillionsanyone have it?
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09:06:35webmindmorning
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09:14:32dwihnoGood morning!
09:14:42webmindej dwihno
09:14:44dwihnoI've found a bug in RockBox regarding resume.
09:14:53webminddo tell :)
09:14:56dwihnoHas it been reported? ;)
09:15:23webmindi complained about resume yesterday
09:15:35dwihnoWhat did you say?
09:15:43dwihnoI say: "det är stabilt, stabilt som fan"
09:17:33webmindthat resumed when it didnt make sense
09:17:40webmindcould you translate that ?
09:19:10dwihnoIt's stable. Stable as hell.
09:20:19LinusNdwihno: stabilt som D-Flex
09:27:52dwihnoLinusN: Jag å D-flex ska träna! :)
09:29:36webminddwihno, stable.. but anoying :)
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09:55:59trackmorning
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10:05:03trackhello LinisN
10:05:11LinusNyo
10:05:19LinusNno Empethree anymore?
10:05:32trackbecause midknight made such a scene about it yesterday
10:06:01tracklol
10:07:41webminddamn cliffhangers
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10:55:54LinusNwebmind: we changed the STOP resume behaviour even before releasing 2.0, "on popular request"
10:56:07webmindLinusN, ah.. bummer
10:56:13*webmind dislikes the masses
10:56:19webmindthey often refuse to make sense :)
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10:59:21LinusNi agree, i'll have to dig further to refresh my memory
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11:00:06LinusNi think many users liked to stop the player and then resume at a later time
11:00:29LinusNi think that's the reason we introduced the "ask once" option
11:00:54LinusNbut it won't help the users who really mean "stop" when they press STOP :-)
11:02:00webmindyes
11:02:14webmindand if you want to resume later.. you have a 'pause' butten
11:03:17LinusNagreed, but "later" may mean "tomorrow"
11:03:31webmindso ?
11:03:38webmindif you pause it.. it will still timeout
11:03:56LinusNso you will run out of battery if you pause the unit for that long :-)
11:04:01webmindif you care about those few extra seconds lower your timeout value
11:04:05webmindno you wont
11:04:21webmindthe thing will shut it self of
11:04:26webminden logicly then resume
11:04:35LinusNi know
11:05:11webmindit's actually a thing i disliked at the start.. but would make sense with a decent resume :)
11:05:16LinusNi think the previous behaviour (no resume on stop) made the most sense
11:05:53LinusNhowever, it didn't work all that well for Players
11:06:25LinusNbecause the resume information wasn't saved until the next disk access
11:07:37LinusNso the user may turn off the device before the resume info was saved, and the player would still resume when turned off
11:07:43LinusNon
11:07:45webmindwel.. yeah.. bummer. then you'll start a few seconds earlier.. but uhm.. you can save the resume info on pause no ?
11:08:20webmindLinusN, you can fix that with ajusting the info on pressing -stop-
11:08:28LinusNyes, that's how it used to work, if you really wanted it to resume at a certain point, you'd have to pause before shutting off
11:09:26webmindi wouldn't mind resume if imidiatly killed the thing though.. but it would be nice to have no resume if you first press stop and then turn it off
11:10:06LinusNi think we didn't want to spin up the disk only to save the information when stop was pressed
11:10:41webmindhm
11:11:12LinusNone reason for that would have been that the disk write could be interrupted if the stop key was held until the power i cut
11:11:17webmindcan't you make it optional ?
11:11:19LinusNis cut
11:11:36LinusNsure, everything is possible
11:11:39webmindbut you can make a difference between a power out and a stop press right?
11:11:56LinusNno
11:12:04webmindwith powerout you'll never get a release event ?
11:12:16LinusNi was just about to say that :-)
11:12:24webmindheh
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11:12:32LinusNso we could save the info on a stop release
11:12:37webmindyeah
11:13:14webmindmaybe optional wfor those who dislike the function or who prefer battery life over functionality
11:14:58dmohsHey... could I butt in and ask a question?
11:15:08webmindi hope so..
11:16:07dmohsI have an FM recorder and the "record" feature is crap. That is, I hear the disk spinning no matter what I do...
11:16:35dmohsCan this be helped with firmware (i.e. modifying Rockbox) at all?
11:16:36LinusNdmohs: yes, that's because the mic is 2cm from the hard disk
11:16:57LinusNdmohs: if it could be fixed in the firmware, we would have done that long ago
11:17:07dmohsbut I've heard that it doesn't happen for many people.
11:17:17dmohsI see.
11:17:33dmohsMost people don't have problems if they use line-in, or so I read.
11:18:55LinusNah, you hear the drive when you use line-in?
11:19:11dmohsRight.
11:19:43dmohsI am guessing at this point that I got a lemon.
11:19:45LinusNthat's bad
11:20:33LinusNdo you hear the spinup "as-is", or is it some kind of interference?
11:23:32dmohsShit.... I'm an ass...
11:24:01dwihnoLinusN: Which would be the best way to crush the red led bug, once and for all?
11:24:13dwihnoLinusN: Using debug builds or ... ?
11:24:47LinusNdwihno: send one of the developers a device that exhibits the error, along with a good way of reproducing it
11:25:07LinusNdmohs: an ass? i didn't say that :-)
11:25:58LinusNdebug builds are only for running gdb with a serial cable
11:27:28LinusNwebmind: reply from Daniel Stenberg on the mailing list:
11:27:31LinusNI'm definitely FOR agressive resuming. I don't see how this harms anyone (you
11:27:31LinusNcan always say no when you have set to ASK), and it does save my ass many
11:27:31LinusNtimes when I hit stop and not shutoff properly.
11:27:31LinusNI'm not exactly sure what happens otherwise when I have the charger connected
11:27:31LinusNand I press stop. When I later disconnect the charger and shutoff, I want it
11:27:33LinusNto resume from where I pressed stop previously (hours ago).
11:27:37LinusNAny particular reasons you believe this is bad?
11:28:36LinusNthat's what he said
11:28:46webmindah..
11:29:46webmindfirst off all: the fact that it asks you something at boot is already the anoying thing.. it takes one keypress extra (which is the same as stopping a song, so no real gain there)
11:30:32webmindsecond: i don't mind the resume function if it's shutoff directly.. which is the case when you do it improper (without stopping first)
11:31:00LinusNdirect shutoff is not possible when the charger is connected
11:31:18webmindit's not ?
11:31:46dmohsLinusN: I didn't have it set to line-in in record, which makes me an ass by default - you didn't have to say anything.
11:31:46dwihnoLinusN: I don't understand how I'm supposed to live without my music! :)
11:31:52LinusNno, it is impossible to shut off when the charger is attached
11:32:10LinusNdmohs: :-)
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11:32:28LinusNdwihno: i wish i could help...
11:32:29webmindLinusN, i see.. bummer
11:32:36webmindLinusN, i dont see a problem with that though ?
11:32:50LinusNwebmind: explain
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11:33:59webmindLinusN, well.. if you want to stop temporarily.. you press pause.. if you want to later disconnect it and shutoff..
11:34:02webmindyou do so ?
11:34:42LinusNlike daniel said, it "saved his ass"
11:35:01LinusNwhich means he forgot that the charger was disconnected
11:35:32webmindLinusN, but if you shut it down imidiatly.. it will still resume ?
11:35:55webmindbtw. i dont think the firmware should fix stupid mistakes
11:36:04webmindit's not windows is it? :)
11:36:08LinusNnot if they are stupid
11:36:41webmindi could think a 100 mistakes i could make that rockbox doesnt fix
11:36:52LinusNif the device was shut down immediately, it would resume (with the old behaviour)
11:36:58webmindyes
11:37:08LinusNbut not if the charger was attached
11:37:11webmindif you press simply stop.. it should do what stop means
11:37:12webmindstop
11:37:42webmindwell true..
11:37:49BlueChipwebmind: perhaps you should list them with numbers next to them and post them for interest
11:37:58webmindbut if you want to stop and continue.. there is this very usefull button called 'pause'
11:38:00dmohsRecording via line-in: I get nothing, including the spin-up noise which is good. Is this becuase I am using a crappy non-amped mic?
11:38:32LinusNyes
11:38:49webmindi dont think a stop button was meant for pausing
11:39:10webmindand that it doesnt timeout doesnt matter if the charger is connecter...
11:39:48dmohsOkay. Thank you for taking the time to work with me.
11:39:55LinusNdmohs: you're welcome
11:41:25dmohsOn another note, I can't believe you guys actually built firmware for this device that completely blows Archos out of the water. Well done.
11:41:56dmohsseriously... my jaw dropped.
11:42:24webmindLinusN, i dont really get why daniel just uses pause
11:42:41webmindLinusN, whathe wants is use the stop button as a pause button..
11:43:48LinusNno
11:44:00BlueChipWell, as I'm not normally online at this time - are there any techies with time to spare who own a Player and would like to help get the WAV support sorted?
11:45:59webmindLinusN, no?
11:46:51LinusNas i understand it, he didn't use the pause button beause he tried to shut it off with the charger attached
11:47:23LinusNhis argument is "it doesn't harm toi always resume, since all you have to do is say no to the resume question"
11:48:24webmindwhich is the same amount of actions you have to take to stop a song. so it does harm
11:48:51webmindLinusN, he tried to shut it off indeed.. but why ?
11:49:03webmindif you want to continue later.. use the -pause- button
11:49:17LinusNbecause he wanted to shut off?
11:49:30LinusNi see your point
11:49:33webmindthen it shouldn't continue? :)
11:49:43webmindcool :)
11:49:55LinusNand i see his point too
11:50:29webmindsure i see his point
11:50:35webmindit just doesnt make much sense
11:50:51webmindif you want to continue later: pause and shutoff
11:50:57webmindif you dont: stop and shutoff
11:51:17webmindit makes sense
11:52:54webmindLinusN, ?
11:53:27LinusNpause and shutoff doesn't work with the charger attached
11:53:42webmindnope..
11:54:08webmindbut he should check if it is then
11:54:12webmindor just dont shutoff
11:54:29webmindif it you don't shutoff.. it'll timeout.. if it has too
11:55:23LinusNwell, many people have a 10min timeout
11:55:41webmindwhy ?
11:56:01webmindthat really doesnt make sense if you have a resume function
11:56:46dwihnoBug report: If you press "any key" when being asked about resume and then try to switch to the WPS screen, you get the "press any key"-screen again
11:59:15webmindLinusN, the fix for his lack of thinking forces an extra handling on my side soto say
11:59:21webmindsoto = so to
11:59:34webmindand just less logic
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12:00:24webmindit's like the 'rm' function in linux.. it could ask for every deletion of a file it's gonna do.. but luckily it doesnt.. otherwise i'd be in rsi hell :)
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12:30:56thedude02hi
12:31:33LinusNwebmind: you have a player?
12:31:37webmindyes
12:32:19LinusNon the recorder, the music stops if you press OFF in the file browser, if you are in the root
12:32:31LinusN(don't ask me why)
12:32:46webmindLinusN, lovely
12:33:00LinusNsorry, you can stop with OFF anywhere
12:33:20LinusNbut only in the root if you have a Player, iirc
12:34:02webmindand ?
12:34:12k3noI'm getting an CPU error sometimes. using the 31/10 build
12:34:21k3nowas wondering if whatever bug that was is fixed
12:34:29webmindhmm, lunch.. bbl
12:39:19thedude02lunch... 11:30? early...
12:40:32LinusNk3no: when do you get it, and what does it say?
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12:47:46dwihnoSpader och Keno! :)
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21:22:34Cheekit sux so much, the dog bit trough the lan cable for the third freakin time }:\
21:23:04thedude02put dog repellent on the cable
21:24:48thedude02or get a wireless fence thing and use it in the house
21:24:53Arnaudput dog outside
21:24:56Arnaudor eat dog
21:24:56thedude02or get a cable tunnel
21:24:59thedude02yeah
21:25:04thedude02what he says too
21:25:47Cheeki have a cable tunnel, it bit at the point that was still visible outside :| ill eat the dog.. seems normal in korea so why not here :p
21:26:05thedude02where's here?
21:26:22thedude02just asking
21:26:25Cheeknetherlands
21:26:31thedude02ahkay
21:26:44thedude02so it's 9:27
21:26:53thedude02for me it's 3:27
21:26:54Cheekyes, 21
21:26:59Cheekpm?
21:27:00thedude02K
21:27:03thedude02yah PM
21:27:12thedude02DUH
21:27:15thedude02sorry
21:27:19Cheeka, well, i still hate my dog
21:27:38thedude02then put it to sleep or sell it or give it away
21:27:50Cheekwe work with 24h time ok, and its pretty normal 2 b on at 3 am
21:28:02Cheekits not mine, we have 2 btw
21:28:05thedude02OK...
21:28:09thedude02ah
21:28:13thedude02?
21:28:18thedude02AH
21:28:31Cheekyeah..
21:28:37thedude02YOU have a dog and someone else in your family has one
21:28:52thedude02and the one that's NOT yours bit the cable
21:29:09thedude02well here in Michigan
21:29:12thedude02we...
21:29:18thedude02don't have a WIRED LAN
21:29:23thedude02we have 802.11b
21:29:41thedude02which only works sometimes, and then when you're lucky.
21:30:00thedude02eniweis
21:30:01thedude02baui
21:30:04Cheekif we had a wired lan the dog will rip that too.. its great :\
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21:31:39Cheekwho calls himself thedude anyway .....
21:44:52Cheekyeah, guessed so
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21:48:03Cheekanybody has a AV300?
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23:06:24LoKQoduh
23:06:35LoKQothis sucks....
23:06:44Cheekwhat sux?
23:06:49LoKQoThis
23:06:58Cheekyeah
23:07:01LoKQolol
23:07:13Cheekgot an AV300?
23:07:24LoKQowhat the hell is that
23:07:48Cheeka PVP
23:07:54LoKQoOh my god
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23:08:15Arnaudah, yes, the av300
23:09:35Cheekgot 1?
23:10:19Arnaudno. saw 1 on the archos website
23:10:28ArnaudI'm not convinced by the need of it
23:12:11Cheekits great, if you travel a lot, or have lots of divx/xvid, or just need to record, listen to music, digital output, enz :)
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23:12:44Cheekto bad the company is shit
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23:12:57Guesthello
23:13:16 Nick Guest is now known as gougle (jirc@APuteaux-105-1-1-202.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr)
23:13:25gouglehow are you ?
23:14:29gougleallo ?
23:14:35gouglethere is someone ?
23:14:37Cheekim fine
23:14:42Arnaudis the company so shit ?
23:14:58gouglecould i ask question ,
23:15:00gougle?
23:15:10Cheekyes, pretty much, except for the hardware they make
23:15:19Cheekor better, put together :)
23:15:46gouglei have flash my recorder, it works. Can i use newest OS ?
23:17:32gouglecan you read me ?
23:17:50Arnaudyes
23:17:58gougleok :)
23:18:09ArnaudCheek: develop. you're not telling me why it's shit :)
23:18:10gougleso , could you answer my quesiton ?
23:18:41Arnaudgougle: no :-)
23:18:51gouglefine :)
23:19:06ArnaudI do not know the answer, so it'd be pretty hard for me to give it to you
23:19:06Arnaud:)
23:19:16gougleok
23:19:26gougleanyone here have flash is recorder ?
23:20:09ArnaudI don't know what you want by flashing, but just putting the archos.mod file at the root of the beast does it fine, whatever the firmware
23:20:58gouglecheck there : http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/flash.html, you can flash the rom to speed up the boot sequence
23:21:23gougleand it works :) i boot in 4 secondes
23:22:15Arnaudaaaaaaaaaaaah, this thing
23:22:24Arnauddoesn't work on my studio 10, so haven't tried
23:22:38gougleoh sorry
23:22:40Cheekwell, the support is BAD, the distribution is mostly BAD, the prices for Europe are couple of 100 dollars higher as in the US, and most of all the firmware is BAD, tons of stuff, i really dont understand how such a company can make this hardware, maybe thats the only good guy(s) in the company
23:22:43gougleanyone here ?
23:23:03Cheekem, yeha
23:23:22ArnaudCheek: or they wanted to push out hardware product, and let open src progs do it better
23:23:30gouglehave you flash your arhcos cheek ?
23:23:35Cheekhaha, thats a good one
23:23:47Cheekdidnt you read about avOS?
23:24:25ArnaudCheek: no
23:24:37Cheekarchos is treathning a open-source firmware for the AV300 with legal actions if they bring something out
23:24:57ArnaudCheek: you know, since I bought my studio, I used rockbox all the time, and haven't really looked back at archos
23:24:58Cheeklike a packer/unpacker for the firmware
23:24:58Arnaudoh ?
23:25:24Arnaudthey changed their politic ?
23:25:44Cheeki dont know, seems like it
23:25:58Arnaudgod
23:26:13scott666archos never supported OSS
23:26:30Cheeki think they're making a AV500 for next CES and have the same hardware but GOOD firmware and let people buy it
23:26:42gouglehave a good nicht ! tcho
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23:26:45Cheekno, thats true, but they didnt sue before
23:26:56Cheekor alike
23:27:56scott666my guess would be that at the beginning they didnt think rockbox would get far, but now that it has they don't want it to happen again to their AVx00 series
23:28:00CheekOR its just they cant do anything to rockbox because of the country they're in
23:28:29scott666i thought archos was based in france though
23:28:38Arnaudit is, afaik
23:28:54Cheekyes, true, why?
23:29:22Cheekbut still, why? whats wrong with Rockbox?
23:29:32Arnauddid hacking rockbox involved reverse engineering anything ?
23:29:39scott666it just seemed odd that a europe based country could sue someone in europe, but could in the US
23:29:47scott666yeah
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23:29:52scott666but none of the code was used
23:30:11scott666they just looked at how things worked
23:30:55LinusNtrue
23:31:14scott666too bad dogger isnt on, we could ask him what exactly he did
23:31:17LinusNas i see it, they don't have a case
23:31:19Cheekwell, rockbox is swedisch as i read, and laws are different there, avOS dogger is from the UK and goes to US regularly
23:31:31Arnaudand so he could fall under DMCA
23:31:33Arnaudtoo bad.
23:32:17Cheekdogger will hear from the EFF soon i hope
23:32:38scott666we shouldve posted this to /.
23:33:05LinusNhe wants to try the peacful way first
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23:36:17Cheeki wont call archos peaceful :\ they already send him the laws they think he broke ..
23:37:46LinusNi agree with you
23:37:47ArnaudCheek: any pointer/url ?
23:40:18Cheekwell, thats what he told in #avos yesterday and later in his post on the archosmultimedia group
23:40:28Cheekabout the laws they think he broke
23:41:29Cheekand he broke his archos to by putting code on it, guess it was a pretty bad day for him
23:41:34Cheektoo
23:42:12Arnaudouhc

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