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#rockbox log for 2003-12-08

00:15:42 Join DJBaz [0] (~baz@modem-2914.lion.dialup.pol.co.uk)
00:20:36trackLinus or Zagor how about a "diagnostic" plugin as suggested by midknight2k3 that tests the aspects such as LCD, HD status, RAM buffer etc
00:21:15scott666whats wrong with the debug screen?
00:21:17Zagorif you fell it would be useful, write one.
00:21:25midknight2k3i think i will
00:21:41Zagorhowever i have never heard anyone get dead pixels on the lcd or bad cells in the ram
00:21:52midknight2k3LOL
00:21:54midknight2k3well
00:21:57midknight2k3if they do
00:21:59midknight2k3they can test it
00:22:01trackzagor it wasnt' my idea it was Midknight2k3s
00:22:07midknight2k3zagor
00:22:13Zagorwhy don't you write something from our massive list of feature requests instead?
00:22:15midknight2k3track has a dead pixel on his cameras lcd
00:22:32midknight2k3such as?
00:22:48trackreshuffle when playlist repeats
00:22:57midknight2k3what does the archos firmware do to determine the status of the hard drive
00:23:02midknight2k3under "diagnose"?
00:23:10Zagori don't know
00:23:27trackit checks the status of the FAT
00:23:49midknight2k3track: and how do we do that?
00:23:50midknight2k3hmm?
00:23:55hardeephmmmm, a short is 2 bytes on the sh1 right?
00:24:05LinusNyup
00:24:31tracki think every feature request that is possible has been done
00:24:37trackcan't see anymore features being added
00:24:42hardeepdo you guys mind if I reduce the resume_index down to a short since max playlist size is 20000? Gives an extra 2 bytes in rtc
00:24:59midknight2k32 bytes? ooh
00:25:03midknight2k3what can we use it for
00:25:13Zagorhardeep: fine by me
00:25:14hardeepwell, i needed it for saving another resume value
00:25:20midknight2k3oh
00:36:17 Join Bluechip [0] (~bluechip@cpc3-colc1-3-0-cust61.colc.cable.ntl.com)
00:40:29trackwhen is the id3 tag editor coming?
00:40:32trackor the reshuffle?
00:40:56Zagorwhen someone writes it, of course.
00:41:16midknight2k3what about "Get file properties"?
00:41:20Bluechipreshuffle?
00:41:23midknight2k3On+PLAY, then Properties
00:42:37Bluechipi have a user question... can I build a playlist and save it from blank?
00:42:57midknight2k3dynamic? yes
00:43:27Bluechipwhere is "proprties"? on+play from WHICH screen?
00:43:38midknight2k3tree
00:43:42midknight2k3dir browser
00:43:45midknight2k3there is no properties
00:43:48midknight2k3but i request it
00:43:52Bluechipcool - i must download the new manual and read up on dynamic playlists :)
00:44:09Bluechipahh right - you should be able to do that :)
00:44:54midknight2k3yeah
00:45:30Bluechip:) find the menu, add a new entry, write a little screen that say "hello", then the tricky bit :)
00:45:41Bluechip...finding the file info
00:45:53Bluechipit is most likely already read in by the file i/o system libs
00:46:00midknight2k3lol
00:46:05Bluechipjust a matter of doing a printf :)
00:46:10midknight2k3"hello! file info:"
00:46:17Bluechip:)
00:46:22midknight2k3or
00:46:27midknight2k3SPLASH: Hello!
00:46:31midknight2k3then File Info:
00:46:45midknight2k3file type, file size, all the good stuff
00:46:52midknight2k3and also
00:46:53Bluechiplooking at your code, i think you could do that quite easily
00:47:03midknight2k3whos code
00:47:08Bluechipurs
00:47:11midknight2k3oh my diagnoser
00:47:12Bluechipclock
00:47:12midknight2k3i forgot
00:47:16midknight2k3oh linus helped
00:47:22midknight2k3clearrect works!
00:47:23midknight2k3YAY
00:47:24midknight2k3IT WORKS!
00:47:26Bluechip:)
00:47:31midknight2k3thanks
00:47:35trackif u really want diagnose do ithe diagnosing on ur PC with scandisk
00:47:37trackor checkdisk
00:47:40midknight2k3lol
00:47:46midknight2k3why
00:47:49BluechipI would still clearline() just before you work out the new coords
00:47:54midknight2k3you cant diagnose a lcd on the computer
00:48:00midknight2k3linus did it
00:48:05midknight2k3so it clears where it was
00:48:17trackbut u can easily diagnose the LCD
00:48:28midknight2k3i think i will release it today
00:48:28trackset the contrast to dark and see if all the pixels work
00:48:30midknight2k3if i have time
00:48:32midknight2k3why?
00:48:37midknight2k3thats harder than playing a program
00:48:42midknight2k3or you can run a whole set of tetws
00:48:44midknight2k3tests*
00:48:52midknight2k3fine track. hate me.
00:49:17tracklol u will be doing tests like what u find on a crt monitor, like barrel, pincushion, rotation, trapezoid, colour temperature, degauss
00:49:19tracklol
00:49:31midknight2k3yeah! YEAH!
00:49:35Bluechiplol
00:49:35midknight2k3good idea
00:49:38midknight2k3LCD ADJUSTER
00:49:40Bluechipdegauss :)
00:49:41midknight2k3rotation.. lol
00:49:43midknight2k3degauss
00:49:44midknight2k3LOL
00:49:49midknight2k3make it shake
00:49:53Bluechiplol
00:50:00midknight2k3i think ill try that
00:50:03midknight2k3when i get better
00:50:11trackmidknight file it as a request
00:50:11midknight2k3"Fake Degauss Option"
00:50:25Bluechiprelease date april 1
00:50:40track4
00:50:51midknight2k3lol
00:53:59 Quit DJBaz ("Leaving")
00:54:42 Join DJBaz [0] (~baz@modem-2914.lion.dialup.pol.co.uk)
01:00
01:00:14trackhttp://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=855975&group_id=44306&atid=439121
01:05:46Zagorremember a week ago or something, when I said you guys had your last chance?
01:05:58Mode"#rockbox +o Zagor " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
01:06:43midknight2k3that was track!
01:07:01trackno it wasnt
01:07:11midknight2k3remember
01:07:17midknight2k3track you said you wouldnt
01:07:19midknight2k3zagor wait
01:07:22midknight2k3im gonna make it a patch
01:07:27midknight2k3thats why i deleted it
01:07:45midknight2k3unless you .. don't... wan..t it...?
01:07:57midknight2k3.
01:08:30tracklol lacking a sense of humour
01:09:04midknight2k3track
01:09:39midknight2k3i do not want to know why zagor opped himself :\
01:09:39trackyea
01:09:54midknight2k3wheres the deleted option
01:10:00midknight2k3rejected is the best thing you can do?
01:10:08trackwheres zagor?
01:10:10midknight2k3wheres the "i am stupid and know it was dumb" option
01:10:53midknight2k3o
01:10:55midknight2k3i know where he is
01:11:01midknight2k3banning me from sourceforge :(
01:11:06midknight2k3then from the site
01:11:10midknight2k3then from #rockbox
01:11:30top_blokehey mid is text pad free or do u have to pay for it?
01:11:31CtcpIgnored 1 CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
01:11:31CtcpDCC request from Zagor!bjst@1-1-3-36a.sk.sth.bostream.se (CHAT chat 3232235530 34638)
01:11:42top_blokeor crack it
01:11:49midknight2k3free if you crack it
01:12:01midknight2k3i thought you left
01:12:13top_blokebut is it crippled when not cracked
01:12:20top_blokebut then i came back!
01:12:20midknight2k3nope
01:12:24midknight2k3actually
01:12:29midknight2k3it just reminds to register once in a while
01:12:47top_blokeok
01:12:58midknight2k3and you hit ok and thats it
01:13:40BluechipOT: does anyone here know about this "lossless" SHN comrpession?
01:13:45midknight2k3nope
01:14:17 Quit AciD ("www.acid.ht.st")
01:15:53top_blokegod 30 min at 932 byes/sec
01:16:16midknight2k3lol
01:16:18midknight2k3il brb
01:16:55Mode"#rockbox +o logbot " by Zagor (bjst@1-1-3-36a.sk.sth.bostream.se)
01:17:32midknight2k3oh no
01:17:38trackwhat
01:17:40midknight2k3oh phew
01:17:48midknight2k3thats why he opped himself ? )
01:18:06top_blokeyay logbo'ts back in charge
01:18:13midknight2k3no please
01:18:17midknight2k3delete him off op
01:18:19midknight2k3he gets me all the time
01:18:22midknight2k3and bans me
01:18:29trackwell behave then
01:18:30track:|
01:18:33top_blokethats what hes supposed to do
01:18:45midknight2k3i dont not behave
01:18:50midknight2k3i just paste >2 lines of text
01:18:55midknight2k3and he sets mode +b me
01:19:04midknight2k3and zagor must clear the ban list
01:19:05midknight2k3lol
01:19:07top_blokemore than 2 sets him off?
01:19:11midknight2k3yeah
01:19:18midknight2k3more than 2 lines 3 times in a row = ban
01:19:23midknight2k3i know his stuff
01:19:36trackmidknight someone added a comment to ur requesty
01:20:06midknight2k3agahaha
01:20:25trackur mate
01:20:27midknight2k3haha
01:20:46midknight2k3ill brb
01:20:49trackk
01:21:18 Quit hardeep ("BitchX: the new hardcore, psycho, nitro client -- in a can")
01:33:09***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:41:21 Part Bluechip
01:41:21 Quit track (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
01:42:48 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting")
01:50:35midknight2k3linus lives on!\
01:50:46LinusNoh yes
01:52:28 Quit DJBaz ("Leaving")
01:53:21midknight2k3LOL
01:53:31midknight2k3Sender: mikeh0lden
01:53:43midknight2k3shouldnt track be punished for impersonation?
01:54:09midknight2k3feels like 8pmj
01:54:31LinusNyes, and you should be punished for polluting our database with another silly request
01:54:44midknight2k3its not silly!
01:54:53LinusNwhy not?
01:54:54midknight2k3actually the contrast concept is a good idea :)
01:55:05LinusNwe have contrast adjustment
01:55:14midknight2k3i couldnt live with rockbox if you didn't
01:55:36midknight2k3but
01:55:39midknight2k3what about the fake degauss
01:55:44midknight2k3a shake simulation
01:55:48midknight2k3isnt that a good idea
01:55:54LinusNwhy on earth would we want that?
01:56:02midknight2k3ok heres my "schpiel
01:56:30midknight2k3how about an orientation option
01:56:40LinusNrotation?
01:56:44midknight2k3simple rotate the lcd 90 degrees either way, and the button layout too
01:56:57midknight2k3so like you can use it the other way
01:57:04midknight2k3or... hmm never mind
01:57:09midknight2k3the pixels are odd shaped
01:57:15LinusNunfortunately, we kind of depend on the current rotation
01:57:31midknight2k3we do?
01:57:55LinusNall fonts are stored for the current rotation
01:57:59midknight2k3the rio karma lets you reverse the screen upside down and reverses the buttons too for usage upside down (for left handers)
01:58:09midknight2k3you can just take the lcd output and flip it
01:58:13midknight2k3right?
01:58:31midknight2k3oh well. anyways i am truly sorry about that.
01:58:51LinusNi wonder, why trapetzoid, barrel and stuff?
01:58:59midknight2k3tracks idea
01:59:25LinusNstill, why ask for something that you don't need?
01:59:57midknight2k3i thought it was a ..
01:59:58midknight2k3good idea
02:00
02:00:53midknight2k315:52:12 | <track> type something like "Have Screen adjustments like on a CRT monitor, such as degauss, pincusion, barrel, trapezoid, rotation, colour balance
02:01:25midknight2k315:52:45 | <track> just file what I typed abouve
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02:01:45thedude02hi
02:02:45LinusNmidknight2k3: why was it a good idea?
02:03:29LinusNdid you need to adjust the pincushion on the LCD? No.
02:03:34 Quit thedude02 (Client Quit)
02:03:42LinusNbecause LCD's don't have those problems
02:03:47 Quit DJBaz (Client Quit)
02:04:05midknight2k3wait
02:04:09midknight2k3oh
02:04:13midknight2k3i just threw that in for looks
02:04:26midknight2k3who files a request for "degauss"
02:04:34LinusNyou?
02:04:42midknight2k3sure
02:04:45midknight2k3but i delete it
02:04:56LinusN"for looks" - i repeat: why ask for something you don't need?
02:04:56midknight2k3did you enjoy my alternate logo?
02:05:06midknight2k3never mind linus, i'm sorry
02:05:12LinusNthe one with tha cross was nice
02:05:29midknight2k3oh that one was a friend's
02:05:38midknight2k3i think it should have been given considerations
02:06:13LinusNwell, we kind of like the current logo, and want to stick with it
02:06:26midknight2k3can i ask why?
02:06:34LinusNwhy we like it?
02:06:37midknight2k3yeah
02:06:43midknight2k3i like it too of course
02:06:50midknight2k3i had this one really cool one i made
02:06:59midknight2k3i should submit it to "freestyle pictures"
02:07:02 Quit elinenbe (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Nine out of ten l33t h4x0rz prefer it")
02:07:07LinusNit looks good, and looks good in b/w too
02:07:33midknight2k3we can simplify the cross one for b/w
02:07:38midknight2k3like with the current one
02:07:42LinusNof course
02:07:52midknight2k3well anyways
02:08:01LinusNstill, we want to stick with the old logo, because it is kind of a trademark
02:08:02midknight2k3i think ill whip up my 3d rockbox thingy and post it
02:08:09midknight2k3yeah
02:09:08midknight2k3did you run my clock on target?
02:09:12midknight2k3LinusN?
02:10:27LinusNi haven't run it at all
02:10:31midknight2k3oh
02:10:37LinusNi didn't even compile it
02:10:51LinusNthat's why the declarations were missing
02:11:01midknight2k3well your fix worked THANKS
02:11:06LinusNgreat
02:11:10midknight2k3ill prolly release it tonight when i complete the ui
02:11:32midknight2k3and just maybe a coder might like it enough to consider it formally.... :)
02:11:35midknight2k3er ;)
02:16:28midknight2k3so linus
02:16:50midknight2k3this confuses me - it's: lcd_drawline(startx, starty, endx, endy)?
02:18:09LinusNyes
02:18:20midknight2k3and also..
02:18:28midknight2k3what is it i was trying to remember
02:18:38midknight2k3well i forget now :) lol
02:18:43LinusN:-)
02:19:03midknight2k3oh yeah
02:19:10midknight2k3screen dimensions: 112x64?
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02:22:31midknight2k3linus?
02:22:51LinusNyes
02:22:57midknight2k3thats right?
02:22:58midknight2k3screen dimensions: 112x64?
02:23:02LinusNyes
02:23:05midknight2k3hmm
02:23:19midknight2k3when you put something at 112 it causes stkov scroll?
02:23:24 Quit top_bloke (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
02:23:37LinusNof course
02:23:52LinusNthe coordinates are between 0 and 111
02:23:59midknight2k3OHH
02:24:00midknight2k3thats it
02:24:02midknight2k3thanks lol
02:24:37midknight2k3actually
02:24:46midknight2k3the compiler should make that not makable
02:24:49midknight2k3dont you think
02:25:17LinusNhow would the compiler know which LCD we have?
02:25:48midknight2k3uh
02:25:59midknight2k3how would the compilter know what .. nm
02:26:00midknight2k3lol
02:26:08LinusNand that the arguments for the lcd_drawline() function are coordinates?
02:26:24midknight2k3what else would they be ?
02:27:57LinusNthe compiler is a C compiler, you can write anything you want in C
02:28:03midknight2k3never mind
02:28:15LinusNhow is the compiler to know what each of your function does?
02:28:57midknight2k3sorry! I apologize for brining it up! I WAS WRONG!
02:29:10LinusN:_)
02:29:40midknight2k3lol!
02:29:45midknight2k3thats good
02:30:41midknight2k3what irc client do you use linus?
02:32:05telliottSetting disc-poweroff to yes seems to have cured my "red LED dead" problems that killed recording. I'm going to try a 2 hour recording later tonight.
02:32:27LinusNmidknight2k3: xchat
02:32:27midknight2k3really?
02:32:33LinusNtelliott: great
02:32:34midknight2k3that may be the solution!
02:32:42LinusNmidknight2k3: solution to what?
02:32:46midknight2k3RLD
02:32:48LinusNah
02:32:53midknight2k3m hmm
02:33:09LinusNunfortunately not
02:33:16midknight2k3no?
02:33:18LinusNplayers can't power off the disk
02:33:18midknight2k3m mm
02:33:25midknight2k3it happens with players?
02:33:29midknight2k3i thought it was rec only
02:33:39LinusNbut it might be a key to the solution
02:34:00midknight2k3linus: does archos fw do it too
02:34:03midknight2k3or just rockbox
02:34:25LinusNjust rockbox
02:34:34midknight2k3i got an idea
02:34:35LinusNit is a bug in our ATA driver, but we need to find it
02:34:37telliottMy "red LED dead" problems seemed to be getting worse. In a half hour of playing, I had to restart twice.
02:34:46midknight2k3lets rewrite rockbox!
02:34:50midknight2k3then well see where the problem is!
02:35:05LinusNyou're a genius!
02:35:16midknight2k3YEAH!
02:35:18midknight2k3:_)
02:37:08midknight2k3LinusN: has rockbox become more than what you thought it'd be?
02:38:04telliottIs a 60GB drive harder for the system to handle?
02:42:08midknight2k3so lcd is 112x64 but coordinates are 11x63?
02:42:13midknight2k3111x53*
02:42:16midknight2k3arg
02:42:19midknight2k3111x63**
02:42:41LinusNtelliott: yes and no
02:42:56midknight2k3midknight2k3: yes, and yes
02:42:57LinusNtelliott: it's not the size (well, the cluster size matters)
02:43:33LinusNtelliott: the power consumption matters
02:43:46LinusNyou should use large clusters
02:43:51midknight2k3why large?
02:43:53midknight2k3smaller is better
02:44:28midknight2k3clusters are stupid, imo. why not just use whats needed, no more.
02:44:47midknight2k3or a 1kb cluster size :)
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02:46:06LinusNmidknight2k3: the smaller clusters, the bigger FAT
02:46:37LinusNand a big FAT will give lousy performance
02:46:42midknight2k3oh
02:46:48midknight2k3well smaller clusters give more disk space
02:46:50midknight2k3so there.
02:48:22LinusNsmaller clusters give you less slack, yes, but the FAT will be huge and hard to cache, file system performance will suck
02:48:25telliottLinusN: What cluster size should I use for a 60GB (55GB formatted) drive? I used the default set by Partition Magic since Windows XP refused to format the drive FAT32.
02:49:05midknight2k3linus: is the idle poweroff time enabled for plugins?
02:50:46LinusNi think you should use 32 or 64k
02:51:07midknight2k3WHAT!
02:51:08midknight2k3WOW!
02:51:17midknight2k332 or 64K CLUSTERS?!
02:51:23diddystar5the tivo drive format uses clusters like 1 mb, since all the video files are so huge
02:51:28midknight2k3huge!
02:55:16 Quit Arnaud (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))
02:56:20midknight2k32:56 linus
02:56:22midknight2k3wow
02:57:20telliottI am using 32K clusters. What would I gain by going to 64K?
02:57:27midknight2k3nothing.
02:57:30midknight2k3less disk space.
02:57:34midknight2k3try 2kb clusters
02:57:39midknight2k3or 4kb
02:57:44midknight2k38kb if you must
02:59:13telliottA large FAT32 partition HAS to use large clusters.
02:59:16midknight2k3i happen to disagree
02:59:56LinusNmidknight2k3: did you write the FAT32 driver?
03:00
03:00:05midknight2k3YES!
03:00:09midknight2k3OR AT LEAST ONE LINE OF IT!
03:00:13midknight2k3MAYBE!
03:00:14midknight2k3IIRC!
03:00:52LinusNhow do you know that telliott gains nothing by using 64k clusters instead of 32k?
03:01:02midknight2k3because dfad!
03:01:27Mode"#rockbox +o LinusN " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
03:02:01LinusNtelliott: large clusters means less time for file seeks and updates
03:02:14midknight2k3+o why?
03:02:17midknight2k3is that for me?
03:02:26telliottSmaller FAT
03:02:30LinusNtelliott: yes
03:02:33midknight2k3linus, deop logbot
03:02:34midknight2k3please
03:02:42LinusNnope
03:02:49midknight2k3why not
03:02:54midknight2k3he just makes trouble for you
03:03:05LinusNwhy do you think we use it?
03:03:19midknight2k3i dont know
03:03:22telliottI wish I could do the 8MB upgrade but I din't solder that well.
03:03:26midknight2k3but you just have to clear the bans list each time
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03:03:31midknight2k3who deops him then?
03:04:17LinusNevery once in a while we need to reboot the server
03:04:29midknight2k3hes dumb and should be shot
03:04:52LinusNjust because you can't paste blobs in the channel?
03:05:08midknight2k3no
03:05:15midknight2k3because... i dont know
03:05:17midknight2k3make him speak
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03:41:02midknight2k3LinusN: is there a clearpixel function
03:41:29diddystar5there is mid
03:41:34diddystar5see the API doc
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03:43:42LinusNhis point is: try to find out yourself before asking
03:44:09midknight2k3just curious!
03:45:12LinusNlcd.h and plugin.h are your friends
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03:45:28midknight2k3thanks for info
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03:54:51yefti mean come on linus even sounds like linux
03:54:53yeftok
03:54:55yeftwell
03:55:14yefti am completely new to linux...this is my first 5 minutes using it so no laughing
03:55:32yeftbut i downloaded limewire for linux...and it gave me the limewire.bin
03:55:37yeftwhere do i go from there
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03:56:29LinusNthe execute it
03:56:35LinusNthen
03:56:51yeftok lets see if i can do that
03:56:55LinusNremember, the current directory is not in the path by default
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07:55:36volhey all
07:56:18volive been getting "HD Error" a lot w/ my studio 20...a reformat fixes the problem but not for long, anyong know a cause for the error?
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08:31:57SeanL994hello, anyone here?
08:32:48SeanL994i used to be a owner of the studio 20(w/ rockbox) but sold it for the multimedia(20) well.. 6 months later, the Headphone jack is just waring down big time on the JBMM, is there anything i can do about this?
08:37:26SeanL994wow...
08:37:29SeanL994no one here or what?
08:37:50dkaiserSeanL994: i've been lurking or about 90 minutes, and it's been about this dead...
08:37:58dkaiserSeanL994: sorry, i'm a total newbie to #rockbox
08:38:01SeanL994lol...lame.. oh well,
08:38:07dkaiserSeanL994: i have no Archos
08:38:14SeanL994me to..kinda, i was here about 7-8 months ago asking about rockbox and shit
08:38:19SeanL994skip it, get a zen...
08:38:20SeanL994lol
08:38:29dkaiserSeanL994: and while I am comfortable enough with electronics to recommend surgery to replace the headphone jack, i wouldn't tell you to... ;)
08:39:20SeanL994well.. i am comfortable w/ electronics, as well i have 5 other co-workers (car stereo installers) that can very well take a look, tare apart, and possibly fix, but i am affraid....very affraid..
08:39:34dkaiseryeah, i know the feeling
08:39:46SeanL994(i work at circuit city) i 'sell the stereos' the 5 that i speek of are the installers,
08:40:41SeanL994thing is, i have my archos hooked to my deck via Rca >mini(headphone jack) on the archos, and when i drive..go over a bump...or just drive in general.. the jack must be wicked loose, cause it makes an awfull Buzzing
08:41:23SeanL994i have a hella nice mount(used for delphi(Xm) and its way nice looking, and it works great w/ my stereo... but this LITTLE (BIG) problem is pissing me off
08:41:28dkaiseryeah, i've been trying to reverse engineer the Ai-NET protocol so I can hook up a pc to my Alpine setup
08:41:46SeanL994oh jesus..lol
08:42:00dkaiserand I stumbled here because i googled for Ai-Net and Linux and stuff, and there was an irclog from #rockbox where they had been discussing that...
08:42:34SeanL994just do what i did, Alpine > Ainet to rca(aux in) > Rca to Mini > to archos
08:42:46SeanL994i have alpine Cda-9807
08:43:13dkaiserwell, that's fine for the audio. i want my computer to look like a cd-changer to my head unit.
08:43:29dkaiserbut, there is one guy who has decoded the protocol and he won't let me have his work. :(
08:43:33SeanL994thats just weird man, good luck tho, i dont see how thats possible
08:43:40dkaiserhe wants to sell me an Ai-Net->RS232 convertor box for $100 though.
08:43:42SeanL994that sucks, offer money
08:43:43voldkaiser, you think itd be possible to mod a usb 1 jukebox to usb2?
08:43:52dkaiservol: doubtful
08:44:05dkaiserbut then again, i've never touched an archos, so i don't know much about them.
08:44:21SeanL994usb2 is so worth having the pos MMJB..lol 4 hours to transfer 18 gigs rather then 17 hours
08:44:45SeanL994Vol, did you catch my question earlier?
08:44:49volyea i got the studio 20, its a pain in the ass to ul music
08:45:19volabout the headphone jack? i dont know i got the same problem w/ my laptop
08:45:25SeanL994damn it..
08:46:10SeanL994hey Dkaiser, have you ever fixed/repaired/messed w/ headphone jacks in any other eq? i mean.. is it just CLiped on there.. or is it solder?
08:46:38dkaiserso, it's definitely going to be soldered
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08:47:19dkaiserbut, if you don't mind uglifying your jukebox, i would solder on a short cable, like 5" with a new 2.5mm stereo (headphone) connector on the end of the cable, and leave the cable dangling out of the jukebox
08:47:38dkaiserthen you don't have to deal with the archos lack of strain relief and the stress that the cable's constant tugging causes on the jack.
08:47:46SeanL994god you'd think i could just 'return' it to circuit city( i work there) ya know they(we) do a no history style return... altho i didnt buy it at circuit city, and i would feel like that would be ripping off CC, that wouldnt be cool
08:47:52dkaiserbut you should at least tie the replacement 5" cable against something to provide for stress relieft
08:47:58SeanL994waid.. thats a good idea,
08:48:16volid just have a friend return it to CC for you
08:48:30SeanL994so like.. a Male To Female "extention" or somthing? just stick the male end in the archos and solder it in there?
08:48:45dkaiserif you crack it though, you might find you can just tighten up the contact blades in the existing 2.5mm connector with a small hook or needle, thus returning some of the original elasticity of the connection, but that is at most a one-time and short-lived fix.
08:49:02dkaiseri guess you could do that.
08:49:03SeanL994nah, half the store(including managers) know that i have it
08:49:15SeanL994i like the idea of adding the extention thing
08:49:19dkaiseri would unsolder the existing 2.5mm connector and solder the wires right onto the circuit board inside the archos
08:49:31dkaiserget rid of the existing connector inside the device altogether
08:49:43dkaiserthis will obviously make the device non-returnable at that point! :)
08:49:43SeanL994cause i ONLY use it in my car, and take it in the house to ul to it
08:50:02SeanL994lol.. yea welll archos(the company) are a buch of jackoffs anyway,
08:50:10SeanL994the battery wont hold a goddamn charge,
08:50:17SeanL994they ignore my EVERY call
08:50:21SeanL994and email
08:50:26SeanL994and snail mail
08:50:48SeanL994i'm gonna pass this info to the guys, maybe they can think of something
08:51:59SeanL994wait.. just thought of somthin,
08:52:41SeanL994its the multimedia, and the cable i use(or would use) to output to a tv is 4 bars not (or is it 3 not2...?) if i got some third party extention, it wouldnt work
08:53:06dkaiseris there a standard headphone jack on the device itself?
08:53:40dkaiseror only the 4-pin connector thing?
08:54:08SeanL994yea, but it also works as....i dont know how to explain it, i have a cable that is rca (red/white/yellow) and most extentions.. most headphones(of course) are only 2 (ie red/white)
08:54:27SeanL994its a 'standard headphone jack' just w/ video output feature..?i guess
08:54:40SeanL994red/white...wtf.. i mean like left/right
08:54:49dkaiserah. one of those 2.5mm connectors with 4 contacts in it
08:54:50SeanL994so.. the cable is left/right/video
08:54:52SeanL994yea
08:54:54dkaiserGround, Left, Right, Video
08:54:57SeanL994ooh
08:55:02SeanL994you know your shit..hehe
08:55:02dkaisergood luck with that.
08:55:07SeanL994damn it
08:55:08SeanL994lol
08:55:17dkaiserhang on... lemme check something.
08:55:23SeanL994god if i could return it, i'd get the nomad zen..
08:58:54dkaiserSeanL994: so, that 2.5mm connector is $1.02 (ea.) but if you can buy in bulk, it gets down to $0.45 each.
08:59:16dkaiserArchos probably gets them at 70% of that, or like $0.30 each when they design/build a product.
08:59:26dkaiserhttp://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?Ref=336749&Row=197312&Site=US
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09:00:01SeanL994ok, and this is what again...sorry
09:00:12SeanL994this is the connector, or the thing i should solder in?
09:00:26dkaiserthis is the existing female 2.5mm 4-connector plug
09:00:38dkaiserif you were going to try and get an outright replacement and solder it in.
09:00:41SeanL994ok
09:00:51dkaiseror if you were going to solder on a 4-wire extension, and then put one of these on the end of that.
09:00:56SeanL994is it a difficult solder to do?
09:01:14dkaiserhttp://dkc3.digikey.com/PDF/T033/0251.pdf (it will look like one of these components on this catalog page.)
09:01:46dkaiserit will be difficult to do. probably SMT (surface-mount technology) which is a tough kind of soldering. would require good equipment, no jittery nerves, magnifying glass, etc...
09:02:11SeanL994oh ok
09:02:27SeanL994i know the guys i work w/ can solder, but not sure about anything this technical
09:02:37dkaiserfigure 62 and 63 on that catalog page are what your jack would look like
09:02:48dkaiser62 is drilled-pcb, 63 is surface-mount (SMT)
09:03:02dkaiserfor each, the diagram on the right is the 4-connector version
09:03:34dkaisersee the SJ-42515TS ?
09:03:38SeanL994yea
09:03:38dkaiseri bet it's that configuration
09:03:53dkaiserM6 is the Ground, or the large metal ring on the outside of the plug
09:03:57SeanL994anyway for them to figure that out?
09:04:09dkaiserM1,M4 are left right
09:04:19dkaiserM3 is a cutoff so when the plug is pulled out, the signal is diverted
09:04:33dkaiserbut probably not used here (or does it poweroff when the headphone are removed)
09:04:43dkaiserM5 is probably video
09:05:07dkaiserthe solder pads on the actual circuit board would be smaller than those little dots by the M6,M1,M3,etc...
09:05:14SeanL994dude, would you be willing to do it for me. if the guys i work w/ back down?
09:05:33dkaiserno. sorry.
09:06:12dkaiseri have about 30 other projects for friends at the moment, most which won't get done this year... :( you should be able to figure some of this out though. a decent soldering iron should still be $9 at Radio shack.
09:06:45SeanL994its not that thats buggin me, its letting the guys at work "try" it, and if shit hits the fan i dont konw if i can get a new one
09:07:37dkaiserhrm. you'll have to manage your own risks there.
09:07:43dkaiseryou have a Fry's near you?
09:08:13dkaiserthey should have these 2.5mm 4-pin connectors in the components isle (full of little zip-lock bags with transistors, diodes, etc...)
09:09:21SeanL994nope, just circuit city
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09:20:39SeanL994hey Dk, would it be 'safe' to un solder the messed up one, and just re-soldering it
09:22:29dkaiserhrm.
09:22:38dkaiseris the jack shot, or just it's connections to the circuit board?
09:22:48dkaiserand, there's another potential problem you might see.
09:23:34dkaiserif it's a drilled PCB, and the jack's connectors go through the PCB and are soldered on the backside, then sometimes, the traces that the solder is on have lifted away from the PCB
09:23:43dkaiserif it's SMT, you probably won't have that problem.
09:24:52dkaiserassuming that it's loose/broken solder connection to a good PCB or SMT board that doesn't have damaged traces, (i.e. the metal solder pads under the device are still etched onto the PCB) you can usually just resolder it and it will work fine
09:25:05SeanL994oh man, this is to much for me..lol, i'm gonna take it in tomarrow, cause for the next 2 months we are gonna be swamped.. so i gotta do this soon, hopfully they know as much as you man
09:25:27dkaiserdo you know for sure that the jack is not just slopped out, and the spring-tension on the contacts doesn't need to be pushed back in?
09:25:30dkaiserthat's your first step
09:25:43SeanL994explain more..please
09:26:36dkaiserthere is a (set of) metal blade inside the jack that are bent metal strips, and when you push the headphone connector into them, they bend away enough for the jack to slip past, then they push back again and press tight against the metal contacts of the headphone plug
09:26:49dkaiserif there's a detent (notch) in the plug, you'll feel it click when they get to that point
09:27:04SeanL994i have it sitting in front of me, the unit has a Line In and line out(Av/ear...the one thats messed up) so.. basically i plug my headphones in the hole(ear) and it goes in but its loose to the touch, it doesnt click at all.. where as the Line In it fits perfect.. like it should
09:27:16dkaiserah, ok.
09:27:30dkaiserthen, that is your problem, not anything to do with loose solder or anything.
09:27:41SeanL994oh...hell.. thats good news...right?
09:27:47dkaiserthe contacts inside the jack rely on the tension of a bent piece of metal to maintain contact with your headphone plug
09:27:55dkaiserand they don't have enough tension to hold it tight
09:28:27SeanL994so worst case .. all i will have to do is open, and bend a piece of metal?
09:28:52SeanL994or.. can i use twesers... or.. a needle... somthin like that, and just bend it out a bit?
09:29:03dkaiserwell, best case, but yeah. the real problem is that the jack is probably a micro-case too. you'd have to get inside the device, then get inside the little cap on the jack to get to those contacts.
09:29:07SeanL994cause this is definitly why it makes the buzzing when i'm driving
09:29:35dkaisera needle with a small hook on the end might work, but I doubt you could actually straighten those connectors without getting the jack casing open.
09:29:40SeanL994oh geez... well, i'm gonna try that before we solder and stuff
09:30:10dkaisergood idea
09:30:23dkaiserit sounds like the plug is still attached good, and it's just the innards of the plug that needs help.
09:30:29SeanL994i found this website, some dude opend his archos, and bitched about every possible thing that sucks about the mmjb..lol
09:30:30SeanL994http://www.hotmp3gear.com/mmjb/diagnosis.htm
09:31:27SeanL994judging from the pics (cause i have never taken this appart) it looks like the jacks are below the HD. could make things a little bit more tricky
09:31:35dkaiserhttp://www.hotmp3gear.com/mmjb/arch52.jpg
09:31:40dkaiserare those the jacks ?
09:31:59dkaiseror arch41.jpg ?
09:32:24SeanL994yea
09:33:06SeanL994the Q-tip is just cleaning the batt contacts, which i might do since i will be opening the thing anyway.. maybe like this guy's problem w/ the battery might be the same w/ my battery
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09:33:44dkaiserright, so, right by the Q-tip, the 2 jacks are marked 'B' and 'C' in that pic.
09:33:51dkaiserb == line in? c == a/v out?
09:34:33SeanL994which is the top of the unit the right side of the pic...right?
09:34:48dkaiseri don't know. i've never seen one
09:34:48SeanL994nevermind.. err.. C is A/v out yes
09:34:52dkaiserok.
09:35:27dkaiserso, i don't see if that plug has a "cap" or top that can be pried off to get to the contacts inside.
09:35:54SeanL994actually it might be B-a/v out i cant tell, i dont konw which side the mobo(pcb) is mounted on the unit
09:35:57dkaiserbut if it did, you could take a needle or something and straighten the lines that grip the headphone plug
09:36:04dkaiserok
09:36:33SeanL994sweet sounds good
09:36:56dkaiseri won't be much more help besides if mentioning that if you go to do any soldering, don't overheat anything.
09:37:20dkaiserlots of smt components right there. that was assembled using 'wave' soldering
09:37:36dkaiserjamming a hot soldering iron on that plug for 5 - 10 seconds will heatup all the other components around it too.
09:37:44SeanL994oh, ouch
09:37:44dkaiser(like you needed one more item to be scared of...) :)
09:37:50dkaisergood luck
09:37:51SeanL994heh
09:38:09SeanL994thanks and thanks for all the help, taking the time and what not, real nice of you :)
09:38:17dkaiserno prob
09:39:07SeanL994i was wondering how hard You think it would be (altho you are way advanced in this) then anyone i know, how hard would it be to mount everything in this unit, in lets say a new case.. how would i go about re mapping the buttons and what not, but, using the same screen
09:40:13dkaiserno idea.
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09:40:43SeanL994its just like.. i donno , a calculator, i have taken the buttons off a calculator.. or a (tv) remote control, if i wanted to put everything in lets say a plexy glass type custom enclosure
09:41:33dkaiseri can't answer that question without actually having one and actually looking inside of it
09:42:33SeanL994yea guess thats true, alright then good night, thanks again, gotta go to work in....9 hours.. i could use some sleep after these 11 hour days
09:47:58SeanL994oh boy, i hope the sticking a needle or somthing works, cause taking the case off, and getting to the pcb, reqwires soldering the pcb back on the case...oh boy
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18:09:06DoggerHELLO!!!!!!!
18:09:09midknight2k3HELLO!
18:09:11*Dogger shouts as loud as he can
18:09:22midknight2k3sehhessh
18:09:44*Dogger is bored of writing his emulator
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18:09:54Doggerwhy does ARM not release any decent docs???
18:10:08midknight2k3hmm
18:10:14midknight2k3because the dev kit is $7000?
18:10:19midknight2k3or was it $8000
18:10:24Doggerthat sucks
18:10:24midknight2k3or was it $80000
18:10:32Doggercompanies are evil
18:10:45midknight2k3yes they are
18:10:46Doggerarm are cool tho
18:10:49midknight2k3except for avos
18:10:52Doggerused to be british
18:11:39Doggergod I hate qvc
18:11:45midknight2k3why
18:11:53Doggerthey just smarm around
18:12:05Dogger'oh yeah god its so great'
18:12:14Doggerits just a bit over enthusiastic for my liking :)
18:12:40DoggerI suppose its good for people who don't know anything and need it all explained to them
18:12:46midknight2k3lol yeah
18:13:04midknight2k3"oh my gosh this is amazingly priced! call within 3 minutes and get 1 payment free"
18:13:15midknight2k3then they give you like a half hour to call for a free payment
18:13:21midknight2k3"one time only, folks!"
18:13:32midknight2k3then next week: "This is your last chance!"
18:14:34Doggeryeah lol
18:14:43Doggershame is people fall for it
18:14:56midknight2k3then next year: "this is THE FINAL TIME we are selling this item"
18:15:05*Dogger is experiencing quite slow execution - java emulating ARM cpu
18:15:19*Dogger dogger thinks about rewriting it in x86 asm
18:15:20midknight2k3gers
18:15:21midknight2k3q53tteg
18:16:48Doggerhave got it running some code though :)
18:16:52Doggerso its not all bad
18:16:58midknight2k3dafd
18:17:34Doggerdo you want me to help you type?
18:17:40midknight2k3huiaigggggg
18:17:54Doggeraaarrrhchccooosss sssuuusuuuccccckkkskskssss
18:18:04midknight2k3why
18:18:25Doggerthey have no concept of customer support?
18:18:28midknight2k3i know
18:18:31midknight2k3asdf
18:18:32midknight2k3sdd
18:18:33midknight2k3dfad
18:19:31midknight2k3(ajbrec rocks)
18:19:45Doggerwhats ajbrec?
18:20:07midknight2k3Archos JukeBox RECorder
18:20:11Doggerah ok
18:20:15Doggeripod is better
18:20:17midknight2k3mm hm
18:20:22midknight2k3WTF IPOD SUCKS
18:20:32midknight2k3http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-12/530343/karmajump5.gif
18:20:34midknight2k3made that myself
18:20:36midknight2k3:D
18:20:40DoggerI seriously doubt archos will be about when apple/ms/sony etc release pvps
18:21:01Doggeripod is small and sexy
18:21:08Doggerand has solitaire on it
18:21:13Doggerand you can put linux on it
18:21:25midknight2k3and ARCHOS has ROCKBOX and GAMES and STUFF and OPTIONS and SOURCE
18:21:26Doggercos apple arent a bunch of arogant unintelligent frenchmen
18:21:28midknight2k3and WPS
18:21:29midknight2k3yes they are
18:21:37Doggerapple are cool
18:21:39midknight2k3they are the stupidest.. <something>heads ever
18:21:45Doggerold archos has rockbox yeah
18:21:48midknight2k3eat this, macintosh
18:21:51midknight2k3old archos?
18:21:56Doggeryeah mp3 players
18:22:00midknight2k3in a way they make the IPOD seem underpowered
18:22:21Doggeripod can run linux!
18:22:30midknight2k3WOW
18:22:35midknight2k3WE CAN DO WHAT WITH THAT
18:22:38midknight2k3SOME TEXT JUNK
18:22:39midknight2k3AWESOME
18:22:41Doggernice vid
18:22:43midknight2k3its not realy functional
18:22:46midknight2k3oh?
18:22:57Doggerur animation
18:23:12midknight2k3mine
18:23:13midknight2k3thx
18:23:38Doggerperhaps we should start a war between france and america,
18:23:46Doggerkill 2 birds with one stone
18:23:56midknight2k3YEEA WOOOOOOOOOOO
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19:02:21^^neo^^is defrag usefull for rockbox?
19:02:40midknight2k3^^neo^^: not really...
19:02:53midknight2k3a drive never comes that fragmented when it's just got music on it
19:03:04midknight2k3although once a year wouldnt do bad I guess..
19:03:14^^neo^^hmm ok
19:03:27midknight2k3YES!
19:03:28^^neo^^just want to know
19:03:29midknight2k3MY CLOCKY!
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19:20:06midknight2k3any devs?
19:20:11midknight2k3coders>
19:20:15midknight2k3someones?
19:20:26groovingandiyepp
19:20:47midknight2k3which category would you be under?
19:21:04groovingandilol... someone
19:21:28midknight2k3grr
19:21:29midknight2k3lol
19:21:32midknight2k3earHertz!
19:21:39midknight2k3i take it back about not talking to you!
19:21:45midknight2k3I'M SORRY WA!
19:22:00earHertzwhta's up?
19:22:19midknight2k3coder right
19:22:20midknight2k3or a bit of one
19:22:28earHertzyeah
19:22:29midknight2k3cant you just do /nick earHurts
19:22:32midknight2k3is better!
19:22:46earHertzwhatever
19:23:15midknight2k3ok anyways
19:23:20midknight2k3i need help
19:23:24midknight2k3toggle rectangle
19:23:43midknight2k3i want f3 to toggle it, and so if it is off it will be on and if it is on it will be off (on f3 press)
19:23:45midknight2k3HELP ME
19:23:48midknight2k3i use bools right
19:24:00midknight2k3deoes your fmr run?
19:24:08midknight2k3i want you to test my plugin after its done
19:24:14earHertzNope, It's not really running
19:24:20midknight2k3oh well
19:24:23midknight2k3ideas for rect problems?
19:24:35midknight2k3i could use different keys to toggle if you cant help
19:24:36earHertzOk, so for each pixel in the block, your want to flip the pixel
19:24:47midknight2k3i just use drawrect
19:25:07midknight2k3can i just do: if blabla lcd_drawrect etc, else lcd_clear_display and lcd_update?
19:25:18midknight2k3which will rid of rectangle, clear and update
19:25:23earHertzUm, do you wish to toggle the outline of the redctangle or, the whole thing?
19:25:27midknight2k3outline
19:25:33midknight2k3drawrect not fillrect
19:25:37*midknight2k3 is improving
19:25:39earHertzYeah, ok.
19:25:54midknight2k3so i just can't figure out what to stick in for if and else
19:26:03earHertzSo you want to un-draw the rectangle.
19:26:17earHertzDo the draw functions take the "color" as an arg?
19:26:31midknight2k3OH WAIT
19:26:33midknight2k3clear rect
19:26:35midknight2k3is that work
19:26:39earHertzAre you asking how to recognoze the key press?
19:26:39midknight2k3i know there is clearline
19:26:42midknight2k3no
19:26:52midknight2k3how to use the keypress and turn it on if off or off if on
19:26:54earHertzwell, 4 clear lines will clear a rectangle, yes?
19:27:00midknight2k3yeah
19:27:03midknight2k3thats not the problem
19:27:08midknight2k3the problem is i need if and else
19:27:12earHertzWhat's the problem?
19:27:25earHertzif f3 pressed then un-draw rect?
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19:27:38midknight2k3if (its on) then 4x clearline - if (its off) then drawrect (all under f3 button)
19:27:42midknight2k3multipurpose button
19:27:44midknight2k3"toggle button"
19:27:46earHertzoh.
19:27:48midknight2k3heres the code:
19:27:48midknight2k3 case BUTTON_F3:
19:27:48midknight2k3 if
19:27:48DBUGEnqueued KICK midknight2k3
19:27:48midknight2k3 rb->lcd_drawrect(0, 0, 111, 63);
19:27:48midknight2k3 else
19:27:49***Alert Mode level 1
19:27:49midknight2k3 rb->lcd_clear_display();
19:27:51midknight2k3 rb->lcd_update();
19:27:53midknight2k3 break;
19:27:57earHertzOk, you need to remember the toggle state.
19:27:57midknight2k3just need to fill "if" and "else"
19:28:03midknight2k3sure
19:28:05midknight2k3how?
19:28:10earHertzyou need a variable for that
19:28:31midknight2k3bool recton?
19:28:35midknight2k3err
19:28:35earHertzyeah
19:28:37midknight2k3bool rect
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19:28:52earHertzWhatever
19:28:52midknight2k3bool rect = true?
19:28:58midknight2k3or wait
19:29:01midknight2k3that would be a variable
19:29:02earHertzyeah. almost
19:29:05midknight2k3so just "bool rect"?
19:29:09earHertzeither
19:29:15earHertzthe question is one of scope
19:29:16midknight2k3ok
19:29:37earHertzHow long must that variable ne around?
19:29:48midknight2k3all the time afaik
19:29:58midknight2k3at any point f3 is pressed toggle rectangle
19:30:03earHertzThen make it a global variable.
19:30:05earHertzOr better
19:30:12midknight2k3oh?
19:30:13earHertzmake it at file scope
19:30:17midknight2k3how to?
19:30:19earHertzyeah
19:30:45earHertza file scope: static bool is_rect_displayed ;
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19:31:01earHertzdeclare it outside of any function
19:31:01midknight2k3put this where
19:31:05midknight2k3lol
19:31:05midknight2k3ok
19:31:12earHertzoutside of any function in your .c file
19:31:37midknight2k3move the ";" back one space right
19:31:38earHertznow, at some point you need to initialize the value
19:31:43midknight2k3it supposed to touch the rect
19:31:56earHertzdoesn't matter
19:32:01earHertzI always add the space
19:32:02midknight2k3k
19:32:04midknight2k3oh
19:32:06earHertzother people don't
19:32:35midknight2k3yeah whatever lol
19:32:40midknight2k3ok how to initialize
19:32:46midknight2k3havent dealt yet with static bools
19:33:12earHertzwell, before the code ever runs, is the rectangle displayed?
19:33:18midknight2k3no.
19:33:30midknight2k3f3 will start and stop it, from nothing
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19:34:25earHertzI mean, conceptually. The bool variable can take only two values, an on and a an off
19:34:40earHertzthe first time around, is it better to think it's on or off?
19:34:41midknight2k3sure...
19:34:47midknight2k3off i guess
19:34:49midknight2k3off
19:34:50earHertzok
19:35:09earHertzstatic bool is_rectangle_displayed = false ;
19:35:27midknight2k3 static bool is_rect_displayed = false;
19:35:30midknight2k3correct?
19:35:35midknight2k3rect i use
19:36:17midknight2k3cor-rect get it
19:36:21midknight2k3correct, rect, cor-rect
19:36:28earHertzyeah, it's ok
19:36:31midknight2k3ok so now
19:37:00midknight2k3i do what
19:37:04midknight2k3im waiting for you lol
19:37:13midknight2k3thats it?
19:37:16earHertznow yu have something to test for in your if statement:
19:37:31midknight2k3if ( is_rect_displayed )
19:37:33midknight2k3?
19:37:36earHertzyeah
19:37:50***Alert Mode OFF
19:37:56earHertzif( ird ) { do this ; } else { do that ; }
19:37:57midknight2k3 case BUTTON_F3:
19:37:57midknight2k3 if ( is_rect_desplayed )
19:37:57midknight2k3 rb->lcd_drawrect(0, 0, 111, 63);
19:37:57midknight2k3 else
19:37:57midknight2k3 rb->lcd_clear_display();
19:37:57***Alert Mode level 1
19:37:57midknight2k3 rb->lcd_update();
19:37:59midknight2k3 break;
19:38:07midknight2k3oh i need the { thingys }
19:38:11midknight2k3ok
19:38:12midknight2k3thx
19:38:15midknight2k3il try it
19:38:22earHertzYes, but you're picking uyp bad habits from the more experienced rockbox coders
19:38:31midknight2k3i am?
19:38:32midknight2k3uh oh
19:38:36midknight2k3such as what
19:38:49earHertzallows put the body of your ifs and elses in braces
19:38:49midknight2k3i dont wanna pick up bad habits
19:38:56earHertzalways
19:39:02midknight2k3ok
19:39:08midknight2k3earhertz is smart
19:39:12midknight2k3ill go with him :D
19:39:29earHertz'the experienced coders can get away with it, but you just did something that you didn't want with your code
19:39:30midknight2k3making
19:39:42midknight2k3I won't do it anymore i promise
19:40:01earHertzThere's something else you need to do
19:40:18midknight2k3oh?
19:40:29earHertzwalk through your code and see if you can find it
19:40:36midknight2k3or CTRL F
19:40:56earHertzWhat will happen the NEXT time F3 is pressed?
19:41:29midknight2k3LOOP!
19:41:31midknight2k3err
19:41:34midknight2k3never mind
19:41:35midknight2k3ill see
19:42:25earHertzYou need to update the value of is_rect_displayed
19:42:26midknight2k3its busted
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19:42:34midknight2k3it just updates the screen
19:42:35midknight2k3nice going.
19:46:11midknight2k3help help
19:46:14midknight2k3update valuye
19:46:16midknight2k3what what
19:46:59earHertzwhen you re-write the rectangel, or clear it, you need to update the boolean vairable
19:47:12earHertzto reflect the change
19:47:31midknight2k3how how how
19:47:32earHertzotherwise the variable is always whatever you initialized it to.
19:47:37midknight2k3yeah
19:47:40midknight2k3smart earHurts
19:47:47earHertzis_rectangle_displayed = new_value ;
19:47:58***Alert Mode OFF
19:48:01midknight2k3wha wha wha
19:48:08midknight2k3where
19:48:27earHertzWell, you can be cautuious and do it in both branches of the if.
19:48:39midknight2k3wont take but another .1 kb
19:48:48earHertzbut it's slicker and more clear if you just flip the value each time through
19:48:56earHertzso:
19:49:07midknight2k3oh?
19:49:08earHertzjust before the break, flip it:
19:49:30earHertzis_rectangle_displayed = ! is_rectangle_displayed ;
19:49:31midknight2k3asdf how
19:49:57earHertzjust like that.
19:50:13earHertzit says, "set the value to the logical negation of the current value"
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19:54:05midknight2k3BtT is back
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19:55:25[GoE]BENtheTEN:)
19:55:46midknight2k3been "OFF" for about 220 hours
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19:57:22[GoE]BENtheTENhehe well .. I was here once .. but not connected to the bouncer
19:58:05midknight2k3vot evere
19:58:53[GoE]BENtheTEN:) k
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20:15:25midknight2k3great
20:15:28midknight2k3here we go again
20:15:33midknight2k3why dont you put
20:15:45midknight2k3[OFF]forever
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20:27:46midknight2k3adsf
20:28:02trackCMOS vs CCD
20:28:32midknight2k3STUPID vs DUMB
20:28:48trackmidknight2k3 vs mikeholden
20:30:38tracklol
20:30:52midknight2k3hmm
20:30:55midknight2k3very similar
20:31:45trackwell both begin with mi
20:34:29midknight2k3both are in the credits
20:34:33midknight2k3both are smart
20:34:39midknight2k3i think we are twins :D
20:45:17trackok
20:45:46tracksmart enough to file lcd degauss, polyphonic ringtones and digital out on USB
20:46:46trackhahaha
20:46:47track:P
20:47:01midknight2k3YOUR IDEA
20:47:05midknight2k3i even showed him.
20:47:07tracknope
20:47:25midknight2k3yep.
20:47:31 Part groovingandi
20:48:03tracknope
20:48:20midknight2k3yep.
20:48:28tracknope
20:48:38midknight2k3wanna see
20:48:41trackever since ive known rockbox i have filed not one bad reqest
20:48:54midknight2k315:51:43 | <track> yea file it
20:48:54midknight2k315:52:12 | <track> type something like "Have Screen adjustments like on a CRT monitor, such as degauss, pincusion, barrel, trapezoid, rotation, colour balance
20:49:01midknight2k315:52:45 | <track> just file what I typed abouve
20:49:06midknight2k3mmh mm
20:49:08midknight2k3so.
20:49:10midknight2k3yep.
20:49:14trackyea but u went ahead and done it
20:49:18midknight2k3yeah
20:49:20midknight2k3but you told me to
20:49:25trackif i told u to jump off a cliff would u do it?
20:49:31midknight2k3no
20:49:37midknight2k3not the same thing
20:49:47midknight2k3clicking file and jumping to your death are different
20:50:12trackyea but it was so bad u rejected it urself
20:50:12track!
20:50:24midknight2k3i know
20:50:27midknight2k3not as bad as DYING
20:50:46trackgo and write your polyphonic MP3 converter
20:50:47track:P
20:51:13midknight2k3ASDF
20:52:19trackmidknight I did a perfect tune to advertise rockbox
20:52:20tracklol
20:52:46midknight2k3sdd
20:52:48midknight2k3ads
20:54:10trackmidknight2k3@hotmail.com?
20:54:56midknight2k3midknight2k@hotmail.com
20:55:01trackok
20:55:06trackive made a tune to ad rockbox
20:55:14midknight2k3ok
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20:56:12tracksent
20:56:22trackits called "breakbeat"
20:56:30midknight2k3aFasd
20:57:09midknight2k3diamondiceman@aol.com?
20:57:41midknight2k3uh
20:57:44midknight2k3you recorded it?
20:57:44midknight2k3lol
20:57:52trackyes
20:57:57tracki have drummachine software
20:58:00midknight2k3k ay then...
21:00
21:00:20midknight2k3doesnt work
21:00:46trackits just an mp3 file
21:00:46track:(
21:00:55midknight2k3asdf
21:00:57midknight2k3dcc it
21:02:14trackm
21:02:14tracki
21:02:16trackk
21:02:16tracke
21:02:17trackh
21:02:17DBUGEnqueued KICK track
21:02:17tracko
21:02:18trackl
21:02:19***Alert Mode level 1
21:02:19trackd
21:02:20midknight2k3qwer
21:02:20midknight2k3fad
21:02:21tracke
21:02:22midknight2k3d
21:02:22midknight2k3f
21:02:23trackn
21:02:24midknight2k3jh
21:02:25track!
21:02:33midknight2k3t
21:02:33midknight2k3ra
21:02:34midknight2k3c
21:02:36midknight2k3err
21:02:37midknight2k3t
21:02:38midknight2k3r
21:02:38midknight2k3a
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21:02:40midknight2k3k
21:02:42midknight2k3y
21:02:45midknight2k3!
21:03:51midknight2k3dogger hates me
21:03:52midknight2k3adsf
21:03:56tracklol
21:04:04Doggerlol
21:04:07Doggernot true!
21:04:16midknight2k3you wont tell me what youre doing
21:04:17trackmikeholden hates me
21:04:25midknight2k3mikeholden is cool
21:04:30midknight2k3but mikeh0lden is cooler
21:04:37midknight2k3i wish mikeh0lden was track
21:04:48tracki wish u were bagder
21:05:24midknight2k3why
21:06:28trackdunno
21:06:38midknight2k3lol
21:06:46midknight2k3DFAASDFASDFSDF
21:06:47midknight2k3gjjkfkjadnlk
21:06:49midknight2k3joit8934t 34t3tiohpeiorg aigiuoa nsdf; gsh;dw
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21:06:53***Alert Mode level 4
21:06:53midknight2k3y
21:06:55midknight2k3!
21:14:19midknight2k3ij
21:16:54***Alert Mode OFF
21:21:03midknight2k3tracky
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21:25:30midknight2k3hey
21:28:58trackwhat
21:29:07midknight2k3just hey
21:29:13track:)
21:29:23midknight2k3SDd
21:30:55tracku and ur b loody sdd
21:31:06midknight2k3you and your "pissypoxypissy"
21:31:20trackanyway back to rockbox issues
21:31:27trackthe bass booster has a slight bug
21:31:31midknight2k3i know that
21:31:32midknight2k3we all do
21:31:48tracku know what bug im referring to?
21:32:01midknight2k3the pop when on and off
21:32:07midknight2k3and the pause fade one
21:32:10midknight2k3either or
21:32:11trackno, the distortion when its reset to 0
21:32:15trackthe bass boooster
21:32:16midknight2k3thats it
21:32:25midknight2k3the pop when on / off = pop when off
21:32:27midknight2k3you get the idea
21:32:46trackI could get round to writing the manual if i was to contribute something
21:33:09midknight2k3its already written.
21:33:19trackyea but its horrificaly out of date
21:33:23midknight2k3nope
21:33:24midknight2k3just updated
21:33:31midknight2k3someone already volunteered
21:33:32midknight2k3sadly
21:33:36***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
21:33:44trackok i want an italic version of Atadore
21:33:52midknight2k3and plus youd write for example "The snow plugin is very pissypoxypissy"
21:33:54earHertzHey, midk
21:33:57midknight2k3earh
21:33:59midknight2k3earhelp
21:34:00midknight2k3lol
21:34:12earHertzyou didn't know any C four months ago, did you?
21:34:20midknight2k3nope!
21:34:25midknight2k3actually :D
21:34:29earHertzwho helped you?
21:34:36midknight2k3myself
21:34:47earHertzgood work
21:35:00midknight2k3thanks
21:35:07midknight2k3i'm improving
21:35:30earHertzyeah.
21:35:37earHertzhow old are you?
21:35:44midknight2k31
21:35:47midknight2k313*
21:35:56earHertzeh. good
21:36:11midknight2k3help
21:36:12midknight2k3help
21:36:22midknight2k3let me remember the issue
21:36:26midknight2k3i'll get back to you
21:36:50midknight2k3ah nm
21:36:50midknight2k3fixed
21:37:25midknight2k3well
21:37:28midknight2k3i think its done
21:37:29midknight2k3yay
21:37:36midknight2k3i can say for positive it will be released today
21:37:40midknight2k3i think there is one issue
21:37:50midknight2k3but probably gone
21:38:54midknight2k3any requests for features
21:38:57midknight2k3for the clock?
21:39:04earHertzmidk, what was your fmr patch?
21:39:04midknight2k3i feel i want another
21:39:14midknight2k3a few changes to radio screen
21:39:27earHertzlike?
21:39:31midknight2k3are requests for clock features before its too late?
21:39:41earHertzput a date on it
21:40:02midknight2k3uhm.. i added a peak meter and got rid of some useless junk and changed text around a bit
21:40:04midknight2k3OH YEAH
21:40:12midknight2k3help me
21:40:25midknight2k3zagor said i need to use a string to put on the digital readout etc
21:40:31midknight2k3thats all he said
21:40:31earHertzYou'll have to look at the date code
21:40:35midknight2k3nono
21:40:37midknight2k3to display it
21:40:51midknight2k3i can get the date, but i think he said its an integer
21:40:55earHertzyyeah, the date setting code also displays it
21:40:59midknight2k3so i need to use a string to display it
21:41:06midknight2k3where at
21:41:10midknight2k3date setting code?
21:41:12earHertzthe date setting code alredy does that
21:41:16midknight2k3in the menu?
21:41:20earHertzyep
21:41:21midknight2k3that just sets not shows...
21:41:29earHertzof course it shows
21:41:33midknight2k3no
21:41:34midknight2k3it doesnt
21:41:35midknight2k3try it
21:41:38midknight2k3well you cant
21:41:40midknight2k3but still
21:41:44earHertzhow do you think people use it to set if it doesn't show?
21:41:52midknight2k3it shows .. grrg
21:41:54midknight2k3never mind
21:42:00midknight2k3ill look.
21:42:11midknight2k3its a different kind of show
21:42:13earHertzthere's a bunch of code that converts the int to a stirng
21:42:23earHertzby table lookup and so forth
21:42:37midknight2k3ok
21:42:56earHertzthen, I want you to add timezone offsets
21:43:08earHertzthat's simple
21:43:17midknight2k3what now
21:43:21midknight2k3lol
21:43:28earHertzpressing RIGTHT will show the displayed time as one hour before
21:43:28midknight2k3what are you talking about
21:43:38earHertzpressing LEFT one hour after
21:43:43midknight2k3sure
21:43:45midknight2k3good idea
21:43:46midknight2k3BUT WAIT
21:43:51midknight2k3the time date uses rtc
21:43:55midknight2k3we need to use time.h
21:44:00earHertzand then you'll always display either "Home Time XZone"
21:44:05midknight2k3OH
21:44:10midknight2k3calendar plugin
21:44:10earHertzor Home +N
21:44:16midknight2k3no no i got an idea
21:44:18earHertzsure
21:44:30midknight2k3well do that later
21:44:41midknight2k3first to show time and date digitally
21:44:52earHertzok
21:45:04midknight2k3you got some good ideas
21:45:12earHertzjust use a big font?
21:45:29midknight2k3what?
21:45:31midknight2k3no..
21:45:38earHertzfor the digital display
21:45:42midknight2k3as in like sysfixed in the corne
21:45:46midknight2k3we could do seperate modes
21:45:49midknight2k3but that would be hard
21:46:00earHertzquite hard
21:46:05midknight2k3then lets not.
21:46:06midknight2k3lol
21:46:13midknight2k3hang on finding the time date stuff
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21:47:17midknight2k3 int tm_sec; /* seconds */
21:47:17midknight2k3 int tm_min; /* minutes */
21:47:17midknight2k3 int tm_hour; /* hours */
21:47:17midknight2k3 int tm_mday; /* day of the month */
21:47:17midknight2k3 int tm_mon; /* month */
21:47:18***Alert Mode level 1
21:47:18midknight2k3 int tm_year; /* year since 1900 */
21:47:20midknight2k3 int tm_wday; /* day of the week */
21:47:22midknight2k3 int tm_yday; /* day in the year */
21:47:24midknight2k3 int tm_isdst; /* daylight saving time */
21:47:26midknight2k3BINGO
21:47:33midknight2k3ok ok
21:47:36midknight2k3so
21:47:55scott666why is isdst an int?
21:48:05midknight2k3isdst?
21:48:11midknight2k3oh
21:48:13midknight2k3no idea
21:48:22scott666shouldn't it be a bool?
21:48:27earHertzbecause that's the tm_rec struct
21:48:33earHertzno, it's the offset
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21:48:41scott666oooh, i see
21:48:49earHertzer.
21:48:53earHertzmaybe it is a bool
21:49:04scott666that would make more sense
21:49:06earHertzbut the structure pre-dates the use of bool as a standard primitive
21:49:09midknight2k3its not
21:49:18AciDk
21:49:30scott666if (tm_isdst) {tm_hour++}
21:50:09earHertzremember, bool was only standardired with C99 (or C++ 98)
21:50:37AciDhey midknight2k3
21:50:39earHertzstruct tm_rec I'm sure goes back to the 1970s
21:50:42AciDjust in case you wanna know
21:50:43AciDint tm_isdst; /* +1 Daylight Savings Time, 0 No DST,
21:50:43AciD// * -1 don't know */
21:50:45midknight2k3hey acid
21:50:56midknight2k3tell that to them
21:50:58midknight2k3hey idc
21:51:00earHertzand AciD has a good point
21:51:11[IDC]DragonHi midknight2k3
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21:51:59scott666yeah, i suppose you could just add the two no matter what
21:52:13elite|frankiehey, anyone know if RockBox works for Jukebox Multimedia??
21:52:30earHertzit does not, elite|frankie
21:52:36[IDC]Dragonask Dogger :(
21:52:39elite|frankie:(
21:52:45elite|frankieWill it in the future?
21:52:48earHertzno
21:52:53midknight2k3AVos will
21:52:55elite|frankieI hate the software that it comes with
21:52:56midknight2k3avOS is it
21:52:59scott666dogger worked on the AV, not the MM
21:53:03elite|frankiehmm
21:53:04midknight2k3MM too
21:53:07midknight2k3or he will
21:53:08elite|frankieit doesn't now though
21:53:14midknight2k3it wont
21:53:15scott666the MM was the same body as the FMR
21:53:16midknight2k3AVos will
21:53:21midknight2k3I KNOW
21:53:27scott666ok ok
21:53:28elite|frankieSo AVos does it now?
21:54:34elite|frankiehey, I did google search for AVos and your name came up on a IRC chat log midknight2k3
21:54:34elite|frankielol
21:54:40midknight2k3lol!
21:54:45elite|frankiehttp://rockbox.haxx.se/irc/rockbox-20031022.txt
21:54:46elite|frankieThere
21:54:47scott666is it todays?
21:54:51midknight2k3http://avos.sourceforge.net
21:54:54midknight2k310/22/03
21:54:56scott666he said avos about 20 times in 5 monites
21:54:56elite|frankieyeah
21:55:01elite|frankieyeah
21:55:08elite|frankiewhere I go to look at AVos?
21:55:10scott666*minutes
21:55:17earHertzanyone know if the month names are i18n'd?
21:55:59midknight2k3i18ns?
21:56:17earHertzInternationalized
21:56:32cjnr11you need to wait for AVOS
21:56:46elite|frankieis it not out yet?
21:57:06cjnr11nothing works yet
21:57:12elite|frankieoh
21:57:13elite|frankieok
21:57:19***Alert Mode OFF
21:57:20cjnr11but it will
21:57:55elite|frankieAnother quick off the topic question, do you know if the HD in a Jukebox is a standard Notebook sized hard drive??
21:58:04midknight2k3yes.
21:58:06elinenbeelite|frankie: yes it is.
21:58:08elite|frankiehmm, cool
21:58:14elite|frankieI need to make mine bigger then
21:58:21elite|frankieI hate only having 20gb
21:58:27elite|frankieEspically with video support
21:58:30earHertzyeeah, I put a 60 in mine
21:58:36midknight2k379u
21:58:36elite|frankiecoo
21:58:41midknight2k3use 120GB :D
21:58:53elite|frankieYeah, bet that would cost $300 or so US
21:58:59earHertzin a laptop form factor?
21:59:22midknight2k3elite|frankie: be prepared to spend some $
21:59:29elinenbethe largest laptop sized hard drive is 80gb
21:59:29midknight2k3laptop drives are a lot more than desktop ones
21:59:32midknight2k3i know
21:59:56elite|frankieyeah
22:00
22:00:09elite|frankiebut 80gb normal hd is only like $100
22:00:10earHertzyeah, when I calculated how quickly I'd fill it, I concluded it would be cheaper to wait for the price to come down.
22:00:16elinenbean 80gb laptop drive can be had for less than $200
22:00:25elinenbethat will work in the archos.
22:00:31earHertzthe laptop 60 was $170 in march
22:00:46midknight2k3uh
22:00:52midknight2k3i got my 120gb hard drive for $70
22:00:54elite|frankiehmm
22:00:58elite|frankiecool
22:01:00midknight2k3yeah
22:01:01elite|frankiethat is great price
22:01:19elite|frankieget two of those and RAID them and you are in business
22:02:27scott666i wish i had money to buy a new HD
22:02:45midknight2k3lol
22:02:46scott666i only have 10 of my 120 gb free
22:02:48midknight2k3yeah
22:02:49midknight2k3lol
22:02:50midknight2k3lol!
22:02:52elite|frankieyeah, me too, I just bought a Clie UX50
22:02:53midknight2k3i have like 50
22:02:57elite|frankieand I spent way too much
22:03:01scott666and i got this computer like 3 months ago
22:03:03midknight2k3lol
22:03:10midknight2k3o the one with the bugs?
22:03:16scott666yeah
22:03:18midknight2k3lol
22:03:19scott666theyre gone now
22:03:22scott666:-(
22:03:26midknight2k3aww
22:03:37scott666but i still have the picture
22:03:57midknight2k3lol
22:04:03midknight2k3its like covreed with bugs
22:04:08midknight2k3why did you get rid of them
22:04:46scott666i moved the computer and they moved to an unknown location
22:04:51midknight2k3lol
22:05:02scott666theyre probably like melted into the motherboard now
22:05:15midknight2k3eew
22:05:17midknight2k3sshh
22:05:18elite|frankiecheapest 80 gb is $190
22:05:19midknight2k3thats sick
22:05:20elite|frankienot too bad
22:05:25midknight2k3get it get it
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22:05:37midknight2k3LOL
22:05:39elite|frankie$60gb for $158
22:05:50midknight2k3psh
22:05:52midknight2k3get 80gb
22:05:53midknight2k3LOL
22:05:57midknight2k3$60 gb
22:05:58elite|frankieyeah
22:05:59midknight2k3nice
22:06:07midknight2k3i have a $120GB drive!
22:07:06elite|frankiethere is no 120gb notebook drive listed
22:07:12midknight2k3no
22:07:14midknight2k3desktop
22:07:16elite|frankieoh
22:07:20elite|frankiethat is only 79
22:07:23elite|frankiefor 120gb
22:09:30earHertzHow's rockbox set aside space for statics in .rocks?
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22:20:19earHertzare rockbox ints 16 or 32 bits?
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22:23:23midknight2k3hardeep
22:23:42hardeepmidknight2k3
22:23:51midknight2k3sorry sir.
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22:25:53earHertzhardeep, rockbox ints are 16 or 32 bits?
22:27:34hardeep32 bits
22:27:42hardeepshorts are 16
22:29:00earHertzthanks
22:29:39earHertzHow do we set aside space for file-scope variables in .rocks?
22:36:28[IDC]DragonearHertz: you just define a global
22:36:48earHertzYeah, I was wondering how we dealt with it on load
22:37:06[IDC]Dragonit's taken care of
22:37:13earHertzdo any of the lcd_display functions do printf-like formatting other than splash?
22:37:32[IDC]Dragonuse the source, Luke
22:37:47[IDC]Dragon(learned that from Linus)
22:38:04earHertzyeah, yeah. ;)
22:38:05midknight2k3oh yeah
22:38:09midknight2k3and so did earhertz
22:38:15midknight2k3linus said that to me
22:38:30midknight2k3i asked him about clearrect and he said use the source, luke
22:38:56earHertzyes, well, sometimes it's helpful just to be helpful
22:39:04midknight2k3yessir
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22:40:02thedude02hello.
22:40:38elinenbeearHertz: what are you working on?
22:41:05earHertzI'm helping midknight2k3 learn about the sprintf family of functions
22:41:14earHertzand about buffers and format strings
22:41:17midknight2k3who said my name
22:41:19elinenbeah...
22:41:21midknight2k3;p;
22:41:22midknight2k3lol
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22:42:07earHertzApparently no lcd functions do sprintf'ing (but my copy of the source is about 4 mnonths old)
22:43:30[IDC]DragonearHertz: do a snprinf() into a buffer before outputting that. This is veryy common practice in the code.
22:44:01earHertzYeah, I know. I'm just trying to teach midknight2k3
22:44:54earHertzYeah, I recall that common-ness was why splash got it's own formatting
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22:47:48midknight2k3zagor!
22:47:57thedude02hi.
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22:52:58thedude02er
22:53:05CtcpIgnored 2 channel CTCP requests in 1 hour and 34 minutes at the last flood
22:53:05*[IDC]Dragon takes part in "Hi Zagor!"
22:53:13Zagorhi all
22:53:48*thedude02 wishes that people greeted him like that
22:54:01midknight2k3try not to be so annoying :D
22:54:16earHertzreverse engineer an mp3 player, and write far better code than came with it, and people will
22:54:17*thedude02 doesn't get it
22:54:24midknight2k3lol
22:54:26midknight2k3that too
22:54:39*thedude02 understands now
22:54:43thedude02but still
22:54:56thedude02why should I have to do that?
22:55:05midknight2k3because thats what HE did
22:55:22thedude02I have to learn C or some other such language to do anything useful with anything
22:55:29thedude02and I also have to get an mp3 player
22:55:38midknight2k3either do that or dont be as respected
22:55:49midknight2k3life sucks, no?
22:55:53earHertzmidknight2k3: is learning C
22:56:06midknight2k3lol
22:56:12midknight2k3drop that colon
22:56:12thedude02I could write a PPC OS that is a lot better than Micro$hit's Windows Mobile
22:56:18midknight2k3then you'll be in business
22:56:25midknight2k3LOL
22:56:28midknight2k3good luck
22:56:33earHertzhow do .rocks access sprintf?
22:56:33*thedude02 likes the purple color in which this text is printed
22:56:45thedude02it stands out
22:56:55midknight2k3Zagor, are you holding a grudge? :)
22:57:24thedude02but that doesn't change the fatc that I'd have to learn a useful language
22:57:37midknight2k3yes
22:57:40thedude02and invest in a compiler and executer
22:57:48Zagorno. i'm just prepared to do what is necessary if you guys start spewing crap on the project again.
22:57:54earHertzyou could become a manager. In my experience, their language is often limited to grunting
22:58:00midknight2k3i apologize
22:58:07midknight2k3lol!
22:58:34earHertzZagor: what it is you're prepared to do, anyway?
22:58:43midknight2k3zagor: how about you make me a project admin so i can reject my own stupid requests? :D
22:58:56thedude02lol
22:58:57midknight2k3probably a lifetime ban of #rockbox and stuff
22:59:02midknight2k3and tracks too
22:59:02Zagorhow about you stop wasting all our time?
22:59:09midknight2k3lighten up
22:59:18midknight2k3i said I'd
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22:59:29[IDC]DragonZagor: seen my latest stuff?
22:59:32thedude02how would he give you a lifetime ban from the channel?
22:59:35earHertzHe's actually been working on a .rock
22:59:42Zagordragon: not yet, just got home
22:59:45midknight2k3how about /mode +b blaba?
22:59:52thedude02and er
23:00
23:00:13thedude02PMd mid
23:00:29earHertzCan anyone point me to .rock api documentation?
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23:01:00midknight2k3bagder!
23:01:04Bagderevening
23:01:07Zagoryo bro
23:01:09thedude02hello
23:01:11midknight2k3lol
23:01:33BagderI attacked those warnings
23:01:48Zagoryeah, i saw. good job.
23:03:03Bagderand I mailed the mikeh0lden person
23:03:24midknight2k3thats track!
23:03:24midknight2k3LOL
23:03:28midknight2k3haha
23:03:30midknight2k3is he busted?
23:03:39Bagderyes
23:03:39thedude02er
23:03:47midknight2k3for impersonation?
23:03:54Bagderhes
23:03:56midknight2k3what did you say
23:03:58midknight2k3did you ban him
23:03:59midknight2k3lol
23:03:59Bagderruining our project
23:04:04midknight2k3ruining?
23:04:08midknight2k3he hates mikeholden
23:04:13midknight2k3he wont stop talking about him
23:04:24 Quit methangas (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it")
23:04:54[IDC]DragonBagder: what is this about?
23:05:00thedude02i HOPE HE COMES BACK
23:05:03midknight2k3fake mikeholden
23:05:04midknight2k3track
23:05:04thedude02track was cool
23:05:25Bagder[IDC]Dragon: track impersonating mike holden in the bug tracker
23:05:43midknight2k3yes
23:05:45Bagderby registring a very similar user name and his real name
23:05:50midknight2k3he was called mikeh0lden
23:05:59[IDC]Dragonyeah, those kids are misbehaving
23:06:19thedude02Shut up! :)
23:06:20midknight2k3that misbehaving part was uncalled for! :D
23:06:31Bagderit upsets me
23:06:39midknight2k3it would me too
23:06:48thedude02what upsets you
23:06:57midknight2k3thedude02: uh
23:06:59Bagderhis behavior
23:07:00midknight2k3what do you think
23:07:06thedude02oh
23:07:08midknight2k3no, his. uh.. name
23:07:13midknight2k3err i mean his.. tone of voice
23:07:23thedude02er
23:07:28thedude02confused
23:07:54earHertz[IDC]Dragon: Are the ucl instructions at http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/flash.html up-to-date?
23:08:02midknight2k3yes
23:08:18[IDC]Dragonyes, but could be simplified.
23:08:41midknight2k3zagor: can you help me with that string function?
23:09:48midknight2k3..okay, or maybe bagder...
23:09:52midknight2k3..?
23:10:07thedude02or anybody else who knows about it
23:10:24earHertzand F1 starts the oem firmware, which (if present)m loads ajbrec.ajz?
23:10:28Zagorjust ask the question and anyone can answer
23:10:35midknight2k3you mentioned it before.
23:10:42midknight2k3yes earHertz
23:11:19earHertzand you can't stop the oem firmware from loading the disk .ajz.
23:11:33earHertzgood.
23:12:00midknight2k3why
23:12:21earHertzI need to do a build that can'r record under any circumstances
23:12:28midknight2k3why?
23:12:31midknight2k3whywhywhy
23:12:46earHertzFederal courts don't allow recording devices in
23:12:58midknight2k3psh
23:12:59midknight2k3lol
23:13:01ZagorearHertz: as i said, just remove the recording entry from the menu
23:13:10midknight2k3that works, yes.
23:13:40earHertzThere's the posibility of rolo'ing a cersion that does record
23:13:53earHertzI'd need to remove that too.
23:13:57midknight2k3oh boy
23:14:10midknight2k3they mess with it for many hours, to make sure it cant record?
23:14:12earHertzI was just wiondering about the backup firmware copy
23:14:22earHertzNo, they don't mess with it.
23:14:26midknight2k3then why bother?
23:14:40thedude02seriously.
23:14:45earHertzbut they might ask you to affirm under penalty of perjury.
23:14:56ZagorearHertz: then remove the ajz loading from tree.c
23:15:00earHertzI know too many lawyers. ;)
23:15:06thedude02er
23:15:17midknight2k3?
23:15:19thedude02so future rockbox versions will not have a recorder?
23:15:24earHertzYes, that sounds prety bullet-proof.
23:15:25midknight2k3no!
23:15:26midknight2k3lol
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23:15:34thedude02I hope they do
23:15:36earHertzNo, just a private buold for me
23:15:46thedude02you just have a version without it]
23:15:52midknight2k3no
23:15:53thedude02you could make it public too
23:15:54midknight2k3why would they
23:15:56midknight2k3why?
23:16:20thedude02?
23:16:27earHertzOh, I'd put a copy up, if anyone wanted it.
23:16:36thedude02K
23:17:16thedude02I just fell sideways into the table while cutting a Smarties wrapper with a thubtack
23:18:04earHertzZagor, does the .rock api include sprintf?
23:18:50Zagorno
23:19:16 Quit DJBaz (Client Quit)
23:19:18Zagorwe should probably add that
23:19:24midknight2k3thats GREAT
23:19:26midknight2k3thats why
23:19:31[IDC]Dragonit includes snprintf(), which is better
23:19:40midknight2k3I KNEWQ IT
23:19:41midknight2k3thats it
23:21:14midknight2k3ok someone
23:21:20 Nick thedude02 is now known as midknight2k2 (dudes@pm483-33.dialip.mich.net)
23:21:21midknight2k3what is the function of PAUSE at recording screen
23:21:27midknight2k3i thought it was "start new file"
23:21:28 Nick midknight2k2 is now known as thedude02 (dudes@pm483-33.dialip.mich.net)
23:21:33midknight2k3was i rhgit?
23:22:23thedude02 don looky me!
23:22:43midknight2k3thedude02: do you know?
23:22:56thedude02I said, don't look at me!
23:23:00thedude02no I don't know
23:23:05midknight2k3then....
23:23:07midknight2k3uh.
23:23:15thedude02erm
23:23:38earHertzis the buflen argument to snprintf the total buffer size, or less one for the nul terminator?
23:23:47Zagortotal size
23:24:13Bagdernow why doesn't the table update
23:24:22thedude02Refresh
23:25:24midknight2k3a bit of info
23:25:25midknight2k3../../firmware/include/timefuncs.h:28: redefinition of `struct tm'
23:25:35midknight2k3Bagder: it takes a bit remember
23:25:37earHertzcout << "when do we add iostreams to rockbox?" ;
23:25:43midknight2k3updates on the hour or somethig
23:26:01ZagorearHertz: never. iostreams are useless.
23:26:48thedude02iostreams are
23:26:56earHertzSorry. I was shocked by the safety implied by snprintf rather than sprintf ;)
23:27:05Zagorhaha
23:28:44earHertzIt's funny, until midknight2k3 needed help, I hadn't looked at any .rock code. The api opaque pointer really reminds me of a pointer to class type in C++
23:28:59midknight2k3"needed help"?
23:29:08*midknight2k3 looks at "mr. i want the date"
23:29:18thedude02lol
23:29:27earHertzI'm sorry. Before he got for free what I'd normally charge about $120 for.
23:29:42thedude02lol
23:29:44Bagderdarn
23:29:48Bagdertwo yellows left
23:29:55thedude02?
23:29:58thedude02oh
23:30:01earHertzwarnings
23:30:03earHertzpresumably
23:30:07thedude02yeah
23:30:09Zagorboo ;)
23:30:10thedude02I thought so too
23:30:15Bagderweird
23:30:40Bagderah win32 ones
23:31:01thedude02er...
23:31:19earHertzanybody ever get the simulator running under cygwin?
23:31:25midknight2k3I DID
23:31:28BagderI'll do them tomorrow
23:31:29Bagdernight
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23:31:34thedude02night
23:32:17earHertzHmm. Gore's going to endorse Dean.
23:33:13thedude02er.
23:33:14midknight2k3dfad
23:33:21thedude02meaning
23:33:39thedude02I'm for Denis personally
23:33:40***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:33:52earHertzLonely.
23:34:06thedude02he even marched with picketeers outside of the Borders in the middle of the town
23:34:16thedude02but he won't get elected
23:34:24thedude02sort of like Ralph Nader
23:34:47thedude02except the democrat vs democrat instead of Green vs Democrat vs Republican
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23:37:26thedude02hi
23:50:03thedude02bye guys
23:50:05thedude02night
23:50:08 Quit thedude02 ()
23:51:16 Join LinusN [200] (~linus@labb.contactor.se)
23:51:20midknight2k3linus!
23:51:29midknight2k3and it's "the" linus!
23:51:37LinusNwho else?
23:51:46midknight2k3hopefully noone :)
23:51:47[IDC]DragonHi Linus!
23:52:01LinusNhi
23:52:01[IDC]DragonZagor: 2 more files uploaded
23:53:27[IDC]DragonLinusN: how is your FM's display?
23:54:14Zagordragon: experimenting with lower framerate?
23:54:26LinusN[IDC]Dragon: working fine
23:55:10[IDC]DragonLinusN: I thought it was broken?
23:55:12LinusNmike at newmp3technology.com sent me a replacement lcd
23:55:30LinusNnice guy
23:56:16midknight2k3cool
23:56:18midknight2k3it works?
23:56:59LinusNyup
23:58:28LinusNwell, time to sleep
23:58:36midknight2k3night
23:58:44LinusNcu around
23:58:46 Part LinusN

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