| 00:02:07 | top_bloke | what a scam |
| 00:02:35 | PokerJoker | how could you change the LCD color? |
| 00:02:47 | Zagor | "I can provide details on how to get newer and better firmware loaded onto your Archos Jukebox." |
| 00:02:49 | top_bloke | change the LEDs |
| 00:03:05 | top_bloke | yeah "go get rockbox." |
| 00:03:51 | top_bloke | thats the whole thing |
| 00:07:35 | PokerJoker | Yep. What a fucknut. |
| 00:07:50 | top_bloke | indeed |
| 00:07:59 | PokerJoker | "I can provide information to upgrade your archos life by 100%" |
| 00:08:08 | PokerJoker | (buy new batteries) |
| 00:08:14 | top_bloke | it actually says that? |
| 00:08:28 | PokerJoker | No, but it might as well. "go buy 2100 Mah batteries" |
| 00:08:44 | PokerJoker | It doesnt say anything bout batteries. Im just knocking that guy. |
| 00:08:48 | top_bloke | but the part about the life 100% |
| 00:08:55 | top_bloke | oh |
| 00:08:58 | top_bloke | i get it |
| 00:09:02 | top_bloke | i get jokes. |
| 00:09:19 | PokerJoker | I would like to have a red Led though. Thats cool. Orange. |
| 00:09:44 | top_bloke | yeah so do it |
| 00:09:48 | PokerJoker | I love this sentence he says. " How about livening it up a bit with different colour LEDs? You could try red, orange, blue or any other coloured LEDs you can find. Or be all funky and do a mixture of colours." |
| 00:09:59 | top_bloke | yeah go all out |
| 00:10:12 | PokerJoker | I mean, he isnt offering you LEDs. he isnt even telling you where to get them, or how to find them, or anything... |
| 00:10:34 | PokerJoker | "I have been at my wits end when the playlist takes ages to load and then only plays 999 songs. I can provide details on how to get newer and better firmware loaded onto your Archos Jukebox." now this guys a fucking asshole. |
| 00:10:42 | top_bloke | yeah its a scam |
| 00:10:53 | top_bloke | big time |
| 00:11:40 | PokerJoker | we should all buy his "item" then leave Neg feedback. |
| 00:12:01 | top_bloke | but then he'd get $ |
| 00:12:39 | PokerJoker | not if we didnt give him any. then i would get neg feedback too. but its worth it, to take one hit for the team |
| 00:13:23 | [IDC]Dragon | is there a doc of the gnu C asm() statement? I'm struggling with it. |
| 00:14:07 | Zagor | i think i found something somewhere, but i don't remember where. i do remember searching quite a bit for it though :-( |
| 00:14:35 | [IDC]Dragon | encouraging :( |
| 00:15:00 | [IDC]Dragon | the syntax is really crazy. |
| 00:15:20 | [IDC]Dragon | It's a lot easier to write a .s module for the code. |
| 00:15:48 | Zagor | yes |
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| 00:25:36 | PokerJoker | i better go. test. see you cats later. |
| 00:26:16 | PokerJoker | oh but furst. what is this guy saying about "get your archos sounding as it should." ...is that crap? |
| 00:26:26 | PokerJoker | he said the archos had inferior wiring or something |
| 00:27:08 | Zagor | the 6000 model has a sort of weak headphone amplifier |
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| 00:27:55 | PokerJoker | where could a person get an orange LED |
| 00:28:28 | Zagor | hi hardeep. how's your playlist viewer? |
| 00:28:56 | top_bloke | search for LEDs |
| 00:29:07 | top_bloke | blue ones = pimp |
| 00:29:42 | top_bloke | but theyre more expensive |
| 00:30:17 | PokerJoker | blue is easier to read isnt it? where to get one? |
| 00:30:36 | top_bloke | radio shack? |
| 00:30:44 | top_bloke | or if u like online |
| 00:32:24 | PokerJoker | i didnt know they sold them like that. |
| 00:32:48 | PokerJoker | you could easily mess up the LCD by putting in an LED behind it though, right? or am i stupid |
| 00:32:59 | hardeep | Zagor: it works. =) |
| 00:33:12 | top_bloke | nah i dont think |
| 00:33:19 | top_bloke | its just light |
| 00:33:32 | top_bloke | playlist viewer = awesome |
| 00:33:35 | Zagor | hardeep: would you think it's fit for commit? |
| 00:33:55 | top_bloke | its a work of art |
| 00:33:58 | hardeep | Zagor: yeah, I've only had one reported in the past few months |
| 00:34:04 | hardeep | Zagor: er one bug |
| 00:34:52 | top_bloke | i use it ALL the time and no bugs |
| 00:34:53 | Zagor | how do you start it? |
| 00:35:08 | hardeep | Main Menu->Playlist Options->View Current Playlist |
| 00:35:08 | top_bloke | playlist options |
| 00:35:34 | Zagor | ok |
| 00:37:00 | top_bloke | is it getting added to CVS? |
| 00:37:13 | PokerJoker | can you edit the M3U? |
| 00:37:30 | top_bloke | not right now |
| 00:37:39 | top_bloke | well can add to it |
| 00:37:43 | top_bloke | actually yeah |
| 00:37:48 | top_bloke | u can |
| 00:38:16 | top_bloke | u can do anything to it really |
| 00:38:27 | Zagor | hardeep: it looks good to me. feel free to commit. |
| 00:38:44 | hardeep | Zagor: cool, i'll commit soon |
| 00:38:58 | top_bloke | sweet |
| 00:39:24 | top_bloke | i'm so checking out the source tomorrow |
| 00:39:45 | PokerJoker | c ya all later |
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| 00:40:18 | top_bloke | i'm running like a month old source because i'm too lazy to patch the playlist viewer to every build |
| 00:42:34 | top_bloke | with the latest shuffle change, if you change shuffle and hit next track, will it change shuffle mode? |
| 00:44:19 | hardeep | top_bloke: yeah, shuffle works exactly the same as before (if it doesn't then there's a bug). Only change was to avoid the disk access when shuffling |
| 00:44:40 | top_bloke | ok thanks |
| 00:44:45 | top_bloke | nice idea |
| 00:45:08 | hardeep | was a request from Zagor |
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| 01:04:14 | DarthWufei | Hey, do you guys have a FAQ or something that tells you if you have V2? |
| 01:04:36 | Zagor | yes. or i could just tell you that we do :) |
| 01:04:56 | DarthWufei | I thought so, where is it...? |
| 01:05:15 | Zagor | oh, now I understand what you wrote :-) you don't know if your recorder is a V2? |
| 01:05:36 | DarthWufei | Right |
| 01:05:45 | Zagor | what does it say above the screen? |
| 01:06:10 | DarthWufei | Archos Jukebox Recorder 20 |
| 01:07:14 | Zagor | does it look like the left one in this picture? http://rockbox.haxx.se/devcon/show.cgi?img4083.jpg |
| 01:08:09 | DarthWufei | It's black |
| 01:08:33 | Zagor | yes, but the shape is the same? |
| 01:08:44 | DarthWufei | yeah |
| 01:08:52 | Zagor | then it's a regular recorder |
| 01:08:59 | DarthWufei | oh ok |
| 01:09:05 | DarthWufei | I never knew the had released a second version |
| 01:09:45 | Zagor | it's quite new. it looks just like the fm recorder. |
| 01:09:53 | DarthWufei | oh I see |
| 01:11:22 | DarthWufei | Okay hm |
| 01:11:30 | DarthWufei | Are you familiar with CVS and the build program thing? |
| 01:11:40 | Zagor | yes |
| 01:12:16 | DarthWufei | Alright well, how to I make sure that the build files are the same as those in the daily build? |
| 01:12:30 | Zagor | cvs update |
| 01:12:48 | DarthWufei | Hmm |
| 01:12:49 | DarthWufei | ok |
| 01:13:06 | DarthWufei | I figured that much |
| 01:13:15 | DarthWufei | I just got an error... let me try again |
| 01:14:41 | DarthWufei | Yeah, it says I need to specify the CVSRoot even after using the -dp option |
| 01:15:04 | Zagor | where are you running it? which dir? |
| 01:15:32 | DarthWufei | build-dir |
| 01:15:55 | Zagor | ah, go back one dir. you want to run it in the dir where 'apps' and 'firmware' is |
| 01:16:20 | DarthWufei | Ah, I see |
| 01:17:18 | DarthWufei | Weird, still get it there too |
| 01:17:49 | hardeep | DarthWufei: what's your command-line? |
| 01:18:00 | DarthWufei | cvs update -dp ?_? |
| 01:18:01 | DarthWufei | err |
| 01:18:05 | DarthWufei | ignore the ?_? |
| 01:18:37 | hardeep | You need to specify a CVS root, see the correct command line here: http://rockbox.haxx.se/cvs.html |
| 01:19:07 | Zagor | also, you want to use the 'P' option, not 'p'. they are different :) |
| 01:19:27 | DarthWufei | Ah |
| 01:22:26 | DarthWufei | ah there we go, thanks a lot |
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| 01:25:34 | Zagor | bed time. bye! |
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| 01:29:46 | DarthWufei | I don't quite understand how just updating the ajbrec file updates the entire thing o_O |
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| 01:37:52 | DarthWufei | Do I not need to copy all the other files to it? |
| 01:38:25 | top_bloke | all the main code is in that file |
| 01:38:50 | top_bloke | the plugins and fonts and such are seperate |
| 01:39:04 | DarthWufei | Oh I see |
| 01:39:51 | DarthWufei | It's weird how that file didn't update though, yet I got other updates |
| 01:40:22 | top_bloke | ? |
| 01:40:41 | DarthWufei | Well Windows doesn't say it was updated today, but other files have been |
| 01:41:28 | top_bloke | odd |
| 01:41:53 | DarthWufei | Yeah |
| 01:43:44 | DarthWufei | Nevermind |
| 01:43:47 | DarthWufei | I think i fixed it |
| 01:43:51 | DarthWufei | Did a fresh update |
| 01:44:20 | DarthWufei | Bah |
| 01:44:42 | * | DarthWufei doesn't get why the ajz file won't update |
| 01:45:08 | top_bloke | delete it |
| 01:45:19 | top_bloke | and it will make a new one |
| 01:46:18 | DarthWufei | Nope.. |
| 01:46:32 | top_bloke | i dont get it |
| 01:46:38 | top_bloke | then |
| 01:47:21 | DarthWufei | hardeep? |
| 01:49:23 | DarthWufei | Weird |
| 01:52:09 | DarthWufei | The hell |
| 01:57:38 | hardeep | DarthWufei: ? |
| 01:58:10 | hardeep | DarthWufei: CVS doesn't include the compiled binary, only the required source |
| 01:58:40 | hardeep | DarthWufei: If you want an up to date binary, you can download it from the daily builds page |
| 01:59:53 | top_bloke | oh he didnt compile it? |
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| 02:04:26 | diddystar5 | hardeep: are you busy? |
| 02:12:47 | hardeep | diddystar5: somewhat. what's up? |
| 02:14:22 | diddystar5 | hardeep: still want a logarithmic scale for the vu meter.... |
| 02:15:21 | hardeep | diddystar5: sorry, don't really have time to look at that right now. |
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| 02:38:45 | klaxon | i'm having problems with a recorded file |
| 02:39:49 | klaxon | it plays fine on rockbox but not on windows (winamp, foobar2k) |
| 02:40:56 | hardeep | klaxon: It's probably a VBR header issue. See http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-12/0288.shtml |
| 02:41:28 | klaxon | i did `update vbr file' on rockbox and now when fastforward, it skips far ahead |
| 02:42:04 | DarthWufei | [18:58:26] <hardeep> DarthWufei: If you want an up to date binary, you can download it from the daily builds page <- Oh alright, then.. hmm |
| 02:42:20 | DarthWufei | How I make the ajbrec file work with your playlist viewer? |
| 02:42:23 | DarthWufei | How do i* |
| 02:42:45 | hardeep | DarthWufei: I just committed the playlist viewer... grab a bleeding edge build and you'll have it |
| 02:42:54 | DarthWufei | Oh really? |
| 02:42:55 | DarthWufei | Yay! |
| 02:42:57 | DarthWufei | Thanks a lot |
| 02:43:13 | klaxon | before i did `update vbr header' on rockbox it seeked fine in rockbox |
| 02:43:36 | hardeep | DarthWufei: but, if you wanted to install a patch that isn't yet in the main source you would need to apply the patch to the source code and re-build it |
| 02:44:02 | DarthWufei | Alrighty |
| 02:44:04 | klaxon | after `update vbr header' , it plays further on windows, but not completely. |
| 02:44:12 | hardeep | klaxon: hmmm, that's bizarre... that normally fixes the ffw problem |
| 02:44:36 | hardeep | klaxon: try the windows vbrfix program mentioned in that mailing list link I sent you |
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| 02:45:12 | hardeep | klaxon: if that doesn't fix it then you should post a bug report and attach the mp3 file where the problem reproduces |
| 02:46:16 | klaxon | hardeep: it looks like vbrfix will take hours is that normal? |
| 02:46:43 | hardeep | klaxon: no, it should only take a few seconds, maybe a minute max for an extremely large file |
| 02:47:25 | klaxon | well it logs _tons_ of errors about sample rate, channels, etc |
| 02:47:45 | hardeep | that doesn't sound good... maybe the file is corrupt somehow |
| 02:48:04 | klaxon | yeah. recorded with new 2.1, plays fine on rockbox |
| 02:48:50 | DarthWufei | hardeep... so I should update via daily builds, then get the ajbrec and rocks that's in the bleeding edge? |
| 02:50:26 | hardeep | DarthWufei: you just need the bleeding edge binaries |
| 02:50:31 | DarthWufei | Oh ok |
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| 02:56:46 | DarthWufei | I'm guessing it's all updated |
| 02:56:59 | DarthWufei | Cause it did that Battery graphics with a question mark, never seen that before |
| 02:57:06 | DarthWufei | yay |
| 02:57:09 | DarthWufei | Thanks a bunch Hadaka |
| 02:57:10 | DarthWufei | err |
| 02:57:11 | DarthWufei | hardeep |
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| 03:19:47 | klaxon | so about this file recorded on rockbox. |
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| 03:19:56 | klaxon | what can i do? |
| 03:20:56 | klaxon | i guess i could play it on rockbox and record it on my computer. :-( |
| 03:21:24 | klaxon | or if i could emulate a rockbox on windows i could use that instead of winamp! :-p |
| 03:25:12 | klaxon | i'll try to define the bug tonite and post it |
| 03:29:11 | klaxon | the file is about 160mb but the problems begin aroun 18 minutes, so i could truncate and supply the problem file. |
| 03:29:24 | klaxon | but i don't have a place to host the file, any suggestions? |
| 03:31:55 | klaxon | saw somone else rocking the archos on the bus today. |
| 03:32:54 | klaxon | first time. folks round here seem to love the ipod. |
| 03:33:47 | klaxon | didn't ask if she was running rockbox tho; shoulda. `hey baybee is that rockbox?' |
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| 05:13:03 | midknight2k3 | hi all |
| 05:14:08 | midknight2k3 | whoa |
| 05:14:12 | midknight2k3 | new patch browser? |
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| 05:41:56 | hardeep | a lot easier to read this way re: new patch browser |
| 05:52:07 | elinenbe | hardeep: finally :D −− that patch is wonderful. |
| 05:52:16 | elinenbe | hardeep: excellent work. |
| 05:53:03 | elinenbe | hardeep: now all you need is multiple select (thus leading to multiple file move and multiple delete ;) ) |
| 05:53:22 | hardeep | :) |
| 05:58:26 | midknight2k3 | what's next up in line, hardeep? :d |
| 05:58:28 | midknight2k3 | :D |
| 05:58:52 | hardeep | Warcraft 3 for Rockbox |
| 05:59:55 | midknight2k3 | lI look forward to it :) |
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| 18:03:02 | * | edx 's new rockbox just arrived |
| 18:04:53 | prellbock | edx: which version? |
| 18:05:04 | edx | hm i meant archos |
| 18:05:06 | edx | recorder 20 |
| 18:07:41 | edx | is there a 2.1 flash version already? |
| 18:13:39 | prellbock | edx: recorder v1 or v2? |
| 18:13:47 | edx | v1 |
| 18:13:57 | edx | would v2 be better? |
| 18:14:42 | earHertz | v2 has the fmr form factor |
| 18:14:47 | edx | i saw that |
| 18:14:52 | earHertz | this means small, but without replaceable abtteries |
| 18:14:58 | edx | :< |
| 18:15:11 | * | earHertz can't type |
| 18:15:24 | edx | well i like the recorder, also had one before |
| 18:15:40 | earHertz | what happened to your old one? |
| 18:15:52 | edx | it was a victim of my own stupidity |
| 18:16:01 | edx | didn't take it as hand baggage on the airport |
| 18:16:21 | edx | and the display was damaged during the flight |
| 18:16:31 | edx | i noticed too late and it wasn't insured :( |
| 18:16:47 | earHertz | how'd you damage it in flight? |
| 18:16:54 | edx | it wasnt me |
| 18:16:58 | edx | it was in my rucksack |
| 18:17:03 | edx | and i gave it away |
| 18:17:07 | earHertz | You still have it? |
| 18:17:13 | edx | something hard must have struck it or something |
| 18:17:14 | edx | yea |
| 18:17:16 | edx | it works |
| 18:17:20 | edx | except for the display |
| 18:17:23 | prellbock | v1 is better of course |
| 18:17:24 | edx | so it's an external hd right now |
| 18:17:39 | earHertz | Linus got a new display from newmp3rtechnology |
| 18:18:15 | edx | well linus is a hardware freak |
| 18:18:31 | earHertz | and I think someone found out where archos-compatible displays are sold |
| 18:18:52 | edx | the player was damaged somehow anyways.. it used to reboot if you didnt transport it carefully enough cuz i played too much with it |
| 18:19:02 | earHertz | new mp3 will repair for $99. Don't know if they charge extra for the display |
| 18:20:03 | edx | hmm sounds good but now its too late :p |
| 18:20:22 | edx | is it true that the recorder won't be sold for much longer time? |
| 18:20:37 | earHertz | Don't know. But I think it's likely |
| 18:21:01 | earHertz | Archos is selling a new version, with software upgrades for extra money |
| 18:21:31 | edx | the current recorder flash image - what version of rockbox is it? |
| 18:21:45 | earHertz | Don't know. |
| 18:22:05 | earHertz | You can read your own rom image if you want |
| 18:22:16 | edx | The firmware in these files contain Rockbox v2.1 |
| 18:22:23 | edx | ok ;) that'll work |
| 18:22:23 | earHertz | I'm sure IDC dragon would tell you now to use that |
| 18:22:52 | earHertz | I'm not sure how you'd write your own version. |
| 18:23:02 | earHertz | That's what ypou'll have to ask IDC Dragon. ;) |
| 18:23:16 | edx | it is documented |
| 18:23:22 | edx | but im a lazy guy :> |
| 18:23:25 | edx | 2.1 is perfect |
| 18:23:50 | earHertz | excellent |
| 18:24:19 | earHertz | Oh, I thought you meant the version of the ASrchos firmware stored as the first flash image |
| 18:24:56 | edx | hehe no |
| 18:25:16 | edx | ah... one question - how can i activate the "hold" mode? |
| 18:25:23 | edx | it never worked for me before somehow |
| 18:25:27 | earHertz | I forget |
| 18:25:33 | earHertz | On+Play? |
| 18:25:48 | earHertz | My Archos is broken, has been for a while |
| 18:26:52 | edx | arghargharhg |
| 18:27:00 | edx | my hardware is not flashable :< |
| 18:27:22 | earHertz | Wrong chip? |
| 18:27:44 | edx | "Enter the debug menu and select the hardware info screen. Check you flash IDs (bottom line), and please make a note about your hardware mask value (second line). The latter is just for our curiosity, not needed for the flow. If the flash info shows question marks, you can stop here, sorry. |
| 18:27:45 | edx | " |
| 18:28:05 | earHertz | It's question marks? |
| 18:28:30 | edx | :( yah |
| 18:29:21 | earHertz | Sux)rs. Siorry |
| 18:30:59 | edx | hm that's slow booting forever... a well :< |
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| 18:31:26 | earHertz | Uless you solder in another chip |
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| 18:31:47 | edx | well i have another chip - from the old model.. |
| 18:31:54 | edx | but thats too much risk for me ;) |
| 18:32:07 | earHertz | I think IDC Dragon has extra chips |
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| 18:36:03 | edx | ah key lock workds ;D :D |
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| 20:16:40 | track | hi |
| 20:22:04 | track | that new Playlist Viewer is EXCELLENT! |
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| 20:37:13 | * | webmind found a bug |
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| 20:47:53 | track | hi Hairdeep |
| 20:47:54 | track | Hardeep |
| 20:49:41 | hardeep | hi |
| 20:51:34 | track | that new playlist viewer is excellent |
| 20:51:39 | track | its just like Windows Media Playe |
| 20:51:40 | track | r |
| 20:51:41 | track | :-) |
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| 21:03:46 | webmind | track, that's not a good thing |
| 21:08:22 | track | why? |
| 21:08:32 | track | I think its brilliant |
| 21:08:39 | track | it shows the next song in the sequence |
| 21:08:57 | track | and you can navigate up or down in the playlist and pick a song off it for playback like W.M.P. |
| 21:09:58 | track | what is wrong with that? |
| 21:12:21 | track | webmind? |
| 21:12:42 | webmind | media player sucks |
| 21:12:47 | webmind | horrid interface |
| 21:12:54 | edx | you are being religious |
| 21:12:58 | edx | :P |
| 21:13:13 | edx | and i am helping a flamewar |
| 21:13:24 | * | edx creeps back :) |
| 21:17:23 | webmind | edx, no.. i just really dislike media player :) |
| 21:18:01 | edx | well, I do prefer WinAMP too for its media library, but i don't dislike WMP... |
| 21:18:26 | edx | it's just in a channel full of linux geeks, that some ppl might just read WINDOWS media player and call it a sin ;) |
| 21:20:05 | webmind | actually most of my audio i play with my archos or with mplayer |
| 21:20:16 | webmind | only playlists on archos |
| 21:20:27 | webmind | but i'd prefer playinglist on winamp/xmms |
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| 22:13:29 | earHertz | hello? |
| 22:13:36 | earHertz | am I too late for the anti-MS flamewar? |
| 22:13:57 | scott666 | whos on the M$ side? |
| 22:15:09 | earHertz | I am! If I had a wife, I'd want her to be Microsoft-made. |
| 22:17:04 | earHertz | I just spent another $110 bucks on my archos. So that's 270 + 170 + 110 = %550 I've spent on this sucker so far. |
| 22:18:23 | earHertz | I could have a 40GB iPod for that |
| 22:18:39 | earHertz | And have $60 left over |
| 22:23:05 | Zagor | what did you spend it on? |
| 22:27:08 | earHertz | I sent it to NewMP3tech for repair |
| 22:27:37 | earHertz | I'd compressed it (had it in my jeans pocket for a while) and it got to the point where I can't easily get it to power-up., |
| 22:27:54 | earHertz | But could easily get it to "freeze". |
| 22:28:10 | earHertz | The $170 ewas for a 60GB drive |
| 22:28:30 | earHertz | True, i have a spare 20GB laptop p hard drive from the deal. |
| 22:31:43 | Zagor | btw, do we have any of the Ample code left in id3.c or mp3data.c? |
| 22:33:24 | earHertz | What's the ample code? |
| 22:33:51 | earHertz | And why is it an issue? |
| 22:36:04 | Zagor | In our id3.c and mp3data.c, we have a comment: "Parts of this code has been stolen from the Ample project and was written by David Härdeman." i look at the ample code and couldn't recognize anything from our code. |
| 22:36:54 | earHertz | I restructed the way the id3.c code grabbed the individual tags, by making it data-driven. |
| 22:37:12 | earHertz | I never touched mp3data.c |
| 22:37:33 | earHertz | s/restructed/restructored |
| 22:38:25 | Zagor | ah, right. i mistakenly got the idea that the comments were connected. |
| 22:39:46 | earHertz | Zagor, btw, I'm not seeing my posts showing up on the mailing list |
| 22:40:09 | Zagor | no? i got your last cost of ownership post |
| 22:40:29 | earHertz | Did you? |
| 22:40:36 | Zagor | yup |
| 22:40:41 | earHertz | Then why didn't I? |
| 22:40:51 | earHertz | Oh, just got it. |
| 22:41:01 | Zagor | ok |
| 22:41:11 | earHertz | I may have posted the one I'm missing from last night using the wrong account. |
| 22:41:28 | Zagor | yeah, that's possible |
| 22:42:13 | earHertz | Is this related to the Open Neo business? |
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| 22:43:28 | Zagor | yeah, sort of. not in a serious way, i just noticed this comment |
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| 22:44:20 | earHertz | Yeah, It turnsd out that my copyright notice in id3.c IS in the Open Neo source. Otherwuse, I's have sent them a C&D. |
| 22:44:31 | earHertz | s/I's/I'd |
| 22:45:13 | Zagor | that business is being solved now, though. they are restoring all our headers. |
| 22:45:52 | earHertz | Good enough. |
| 22:46:16 | earHertz | I suppose it's a back-handed compliment. ;) |
| 22:46:33 | Zagor | yeah, sort of. |
| 22:47:21 | earHertz | How's your Archos holding up? |
| 22:47:42 | Zagor | very well. i haven't had any problems at all with it. |
| 22:48:20 | earHertz | Too bad. ;) |
| 22:48:27 | _aLF | hi |
| 22:48:35 | Zagor | hehe |
| 22:48:37 | _aLF | I have a sugestion about place of "create playlist" menu entry |
| 22:48:43 | _aLF | why not put it in on+play menu, because it depends of the current directory |
| 22:48:57 | earHertz | I was hoping for a misfourtune that would drive you to start reverse engineering another MP3 player. ;) |
| 22:48:59 | _aLF | (more intuitive for me) |
| 22:49:02 | Zagor | alf: yeah, but on+play depends on the file/dir you currently have selected |
| 22:49:13 | Zagor | earHertz: such as the neo? ;) |
| 22:49:26 | earHertz | Well, perhaps the Karma |
| 22:49:51 | Zagor | have you tried it? |
| 22:49:54 | _aLF | Zagor> but create playlist doesn't depends of currenlty select dir ? |
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| 22:50:00 | earHertz | Although I understand that the newer rio models are not as easy to reverse engineer as the earlier ones. |
| 22:50:06 | earHertz | I have not tried it. |
| 22:50:08 | Zagor | _aLF: no, it uses your current dir |
| 22:50:29 | Zagor | _aLF: otherwise you couldn't make a whole-disk playlist |
| 22:50:34 | earHertz | The HP product also looks good. |
| 22:50:57 | Zagor | which is that? |
| 22:51:21 | earHertz | Um. hanng on a bit |
| 22:51:38 | _aLF | Zagor> ok |
| 22:52:14 | Zagor | but we could still use a talented interface designer :-) |
| 22:52:57 | earHertz | http://www.outwardsound.com/products.php/7/278/ |
| 22:53:08 | earHertz | Basically, records and plays WAVs too, and plays Vorbis |
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| 22:53:57 | earHertz | If it plays WAVS, I assume that FLACs and Monkeys would be trivial. |
| 22:55:13 | Zagor | oh, the iRiver. yeah, nice hardware. lousy interface though :( |
| 22:55:42 | Zagor | i played with it the other day and that navigation knob made me want to throw the thing at the wall |
| 22:55:44 | earHertz | Well, precisely why you're needed |
| 22:56:11 | earHertz | The archos is nice hardware and poor software (and incoinsistant quality control) |
| 22:56:25 | Zagor | yeah, but the physical interface is horrible too. buttons on three sides and that horrible knob to boot. |
| 22:57:36 | earHertz | Hmm. I wouldn't mind side buttons at all. I can't distinguish the Archos buttons by touch alone. Side buttons I could. |
| 22:58:01 | Zagor | it could have been a great little machine. i think it uses a nicely documented motorola chip and a gorgeous hires display on the remote |
| 22:58:48 | earHertz | Given that the chip is documented, how much work would it take for you to get to the ppint of poroof-of-concept code? |
| 22:59:26 | Zagor | hard to tell. it depends a lot on the other hardware too, and if they're playing silly scrambling tricks like archos do. |
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| 23:00:44 | earHertz | Archos's stupidity never fails to amaze me. Even if they wouldn't give you any clues, they should at least just USE rockbox |
| 23:02:27 | Zagor | i've stopped caring :) |
| 23:06:42 | earHertz | I haven't. It's why I won't buy any more archos products. Making shoddy software and not supporting voluneteers who make a replacement orders of magnitude better is an isult to their customers. So I will no longer be insulted, or a customer. |
| 23:09:34 | earHertz | Again, if nothing else, they should put Rockbox on their products. Instead, they are moving to a business plan of intentionally crippling their software, in order to extort further payments from users for unlock codes. |
| 23:14:17 | Zagor | yeah, i'd like to move away from archos too. i want new toys! :) |
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| 23:18:54 | [IDC]Dragon | Hi guys! |
| 23:19:24 | Zagor | hi |
| 23:24:29 | webmind | hi |
| 23:24:36 | webmind | i've found a bug btw |
| 23:24:42 | earHertz | Keep us up-to-date on what MP3 toys you're looking at; if I think you'll reverse engineer it, I'll be more inclined to buy it. |
| 23:24:43 | webmind | shuffle doesnt always work |
| 23:25:12 | hardeep | webmind: more info please |
| 23:26:03 | webmind | hardeep, when i after a starting up my archos want to play my playlist |
| 23:26:22 | webmind | it seems to not shuffle it first |
| 23:28:24 | hardeep | webmind: so, you have shuffle mode enabled and you play a playlist |
| 23:28:24 | hardeep | and the playlist isn't shuffled? |
| 23:28:24 | webmind | uhuh |
| 23:28:25 | hardeep | was that a yes or no? |
| 23:28:25 | webmind | yes |
| 23:28:37 | hardeep | what version are you using? |
| 23:28:56 | webmind | a daily build of a few weeks ago |
| 23:29:40 | hardeep | hmmmm, i don't recall any shuffle bug being fixed recently and it works fine for me |
| 23:30:37 | Zagor | it shuffles for me too |
| 23:30:38 | webmind | it usually works |
| 23:30:38 | webmind | just wen strat my playlist right after boot |
| 23:30:38 | webmind | start |
| 23:31:07 | webmind | i also have it sometimes that it doesnt ask for resume |
| 23:31:50 | Zagor | you should update your version. that was fixed weeks ago. |
| 23:32:45 | webmind | ah ok |
| 23:32:45 | webmind | what was it ? |
| 23:32:45 | Zagor | the resume thing was that your ON press sometimes aborted the resume question |
| 23:32:45 | webmind | btw i'm still no fan of this absolute agressive resume |
| 23:32:45 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK webmind |
| 23:32:45 | webmind | hmk |
| 23:32:45 | Zagor | ? put it on ask |
| 23:32:56 | webmind | what? |
| 23:33:03 | Zagor | oh, you mean resuming after you press STOP |
| 23:33:44 | webmind | yeah |
| 23:33:47 | webmind | don't like that |
| 23:34:21 | Zagor | i love it, so it's not going away ;) |
| 23:34:27 | hardeep | hehe |
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| 23:34:42 | webmind | Zagor, more people love it.. but it doenst make sense |
| 23:34:50 | hardeep | that feature is super useful when you're ROLO'ing between different versions to track a resume issue |
| 23:34:53 | webmind | i'd just vote for an enable/disable option |
| 23:35:11 | webmind | hardeep, you dont need resume for that |
| 23:35:16 | Zagor | yeah, i guess i could live with that |
| 23:36:10 | hardeep | webmind: when you're debugging a resume issue you do |
| 23:36:14 | webmind | anyway. going to bed... gnite |
| 23:36:20 | Zagor | night |
| 23:36:24 | webmind | hardeep, hm |
| 23:48:33 | earHertz | What's the approx. current size of the the .ajz? |
| 23:49:18 | Zagor | 160 KB i think |
| 23:49:35 | earHertz | Wow. Not bad. |
| 23:49:57 | earHertz | I never did submit a cleanup for the settings code |
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| 23:56:54 | Zagor | bye guys |
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