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| 00:02:54 | pokerjoker | hey dudes |
| 00:03:13 | pokerjoker | warez the party |
| 00:05:41 | pokerjoker | im downloading linux |
| 00:07:46 | pokerjoker | i love you guys. |
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| 00:23:08 | zYgoat | or.... |
| 00:23:30 | zYgoat | i could get a used archos on ebay later |
| 00:23:34 | zYgoat | without fm |
| 00:23:51 | zYgoat | so i can play with rockbox :) |
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| 00:51:23 | zYgoat | http://www.arm.com/pdfs/DDI0229A_720T_R4.pdf |
| 00:51:37 | zYgoat | http://www.arm.com/pdfs/DDI0008E_arm740t.zip |
| 00:51:57 | zYgoat | oops ignore the 2nd |
| 00:52:15 | zYgoat | the arm720t is the heart of the philips saa7750 |
| 00:52:56 | zYgoat | the iriver ifp590t has 16mbit nor-flash and 64mbit sdram |
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| 00:53:51 | zYgoat | i wonder if it can load code from the media flash? |
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| 01:00:09 | zYgoat | ok |
| 01:00:20 | zYgoat | i just read the arm7 is 'von neumann architecture, not harvard' |
| 01:00:50 | zYgoat | and since the 590t can read/write to flash, it should be possible to store/load programs |
| 01:01:27 | zYgoat | add to this: there is a linux for the arm720T |
| 01:01:57 | zYgoat | http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/ |
| 01:01:59 | zYgoat | wwooo |
| 01:02:02 | zYgoat | hi track |
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| 01:02:06 | zYgoat | and diddystar5 |
| 01:02:15 | diddystar5 | hi |
| 01:02:35 | zYgoat | you guys know anything about rockbox? |
| 01:02:40 | diddystar5 | i do |
| 01:02:43 | zYgoat | like how it was made? |
| 01:02:46 | diddystar5 | i know alot infact |
| 01:02:55 | diddystar5 | uhh in c |
| 01:03:30 | zYgoat | how did you learn to control the subsystems (dsp, memory etc) |
| 01:04:15 | zYgoat | i'm curious if rockbox could be ported to other devices |
| 01:04:18 | diddystar5 | i dont know that much, but since everything has been writen, you just use api stuff |
| 01:04:27 | diddystar5 | it has, the neo 35 |
| 01:04:40 | diddystar5 | (or atleast it's in development) |
| 01:05:45 | zYgoat | what cpu? |
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| 01:06:20 | diddystar5 | it has a sh1 running at 12mhz |
| 01:06:42 | track | no its a pentium 4 running at 3.5 Ghz |
| 01:10:22 | zYgoat | that's pretty cool |
| 01:10:38 | zYgoat | i'm still agonizing over the iriver vs archos decision |
| 01:10:50 | diddystar5 | archos (just for the 20 gi) |
| 01:10:55 | diddystar5 | *gb |
| 01:10:59 | zYgoat | maybe both |
| 01:11:00 | zYgoat | hah |
| 01:11:26 | zYgoat | keychain mp3 for to-go, and jukebox for car or special occasions |
| 01:12:06 | zYgoat | i like that the rockbox site has pictures of dissassembly - looks like the QC problems are do-it-yourself fixes |
| 01:12:13 | zYgoat | (battery mount, cold solder points) |
| 01:12:25 | diddystar5 | i havent had any problems with those |
| 01:12:35 | zYgoat | do you have the fm model? |
| 01:12:47 | diddystar5 | no, i have a recorder 20 |
| 01:13:24 | zYgoat | what cpu is that? |
| 01:13:35 | diddystar5 | the same sh1 |
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| 01:15:24 | * | zYgoat checks ebay |
| 01:15:51 | diddystar5 | the recorder 20 iss probly the best unit |
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| 01:17:54 | zYgoat | a recorder 6 has same hardware just different drive? |
| 01:18:16 | diddystar5 | yes |
| 01:18:37 | diddystar5 | but you will most liely fill the 6 gigs very fast |
| 01:18:42 | diddystar5 | *likly |
| 01:19:20 | zYgoat | well it's just for the car - wouldn't hold much of my collection anyway :) |
| 01:19:42 | zYgoat | ah 150 for a 20 GB |
| 01:19:53 | zYgoat | the auction will probably push it up to 180 |
| 01:20:05 | zYgoat | which is funny because amazon is blowing-out the 20 FM for 199 euro |
| 01:20:37 | zYgoat | which is a very good price for germany |
| 01:21:01 | zYgoat | max mp3 encode on archos is 128kb/s cbr, yes? |
| 01:21:12 | track | no its 160kbs vbr |
| 01:21:20 | zYgoat | cool |
| 01:21:49 | diddystar5 | no |
| 01:21:59 | diddystar5 | 360kbs |
| 01:22:08 | diddystar5 | (or close to that) |
| 01:22:17 | zYgoat | i have only seen docs stating 128 |
| 01:22:29 | zYgoat | the nex ia can only do 64kb/s |
| 01:22:31 | diddystar5 | thats the "recommended" |
| 01:22:43 | zYgoat | excellent |
| 01:22:45 | diddystar5 | i encode all my stuff at 192 cbr |
| 01:23:05 | diddystar5 | i think 192 is the best sounding, and the best size |
| 01:23:12 | zYgoat | 160-224 vbr here |
| 01:24:32 | zYgoat | is it possible for the archos to load programs from the drive? |
| 01:24:45 | zYgoat | or does all code need to be in the non-volatile ram? |
| 01:25:09 | track | me 2 diddystar |
| 01:25:12 | track | 192kbs CBR |
| 01:25:14 | track | is very good |
| 01:25:45 | diddystar5 | depends, if you flash, then it goes to a special flash mem, if not, it goes to the 2mb buffer |
| 01:26:51 | zYgoat | so it is possible to load and execute a program that is stored exclusively on the drive |
| 01:27:29 | zYgoat | i need to get an archos just to see how this works :) |
| 01:27:50 | baz_ | http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-12/0439.shtml <=- another joke? |
| 01:27:53 | baz_ | rofl |
| 01:27:59 | baz_ | it has to be heh |
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| 01:29:24 | zYgoat | aha |
| 01:29:30 | zYgoat | "Copy the contained.rock plugin to .rockbox/rocks " |
| 01:29:49 | zYgoat | that sounds legit |
| 01:30:07 | zYgoat | very cool, so there is hope the 590t could also do this |
| 01:30:36 | zYgoat | have you guys done coding for rockbox? |
| 01:31:53 | diddystar5 | i have |
| 01:32:32 | diddystar5 | i made the vu meter |
| 01:32:57 | zYgoat | cool :) |
| 01:33:30 | zYgoat | to draw you just write directly to a memory region? |
| 01:33:40 | zYgoat | or is there some kind of drawing library? |
| 01:33:45 | diddystar5 | what? |
| 01:33:59 | diddystar5 | do you mean draw something to the screen? |
| 01:34:02 | zYgoat | ya |
| 01:34:44 | diddystar5 | you use API funcs like lcd_draw_pixle, lcd_draw_line, etc... |
| 01:34:51 | zYgoat | k |
| 01:35:00 | baz_ | has anyone got any screenshots of the 'rockbox video' thing ive heard... i left my usb cable at college and im curious to waht it may look like? |
| 01:35:15 | diddystar5 | i have some from midkngiht2k3 |
| 01:35:21 | diddystar5 | want to see those? |
| 01:35:43 | baz_ | on the archos? |
| 01:35:47 | baz_ | if u want |
| 01:36:25 | diddystar5 | sorry that it is slow... |
| 01:36:31 | baz_ | this is an actual screenshot? |
| 01:36:34 | baz_ | thats ok, im on dialup |
| 01:37:15 | diddystar5 | there are 7 pics in that |
| 01:37:22 | baz_ | kk |
| 01:39:12 | baz_ | i wish i had my usb cable if it isnt fake |
| 01:39:13 | baz_ | heh |
| 01:39:42 | diddystar5 | its not fake |
| 01:40:02 | baz_ | is it the same quality for jukebox recorder? |
| 01:40:07 | diddystar5 | yes |
| 01:40:10 | baz_ | not the fm one |
| 01:40:10 | baz_ | nice |
| 01:40:14 | diddystar5 | they have the same screen |
| 01:40:22 | diddystar5 | i like pic #4 |
| 01:40:25 | baz_ | thats quite good |
| 01:40:48 | baz_ | will there be videos that play the video and audio at the same time? |
| 01:40:55 | baz_ | a post said about it |
| 01:41:04 | baz_ | im all excited, i want my usb cable back :D |
| 01:41:42 | diddystar5 | im not sure, that is possible though |
| 01:41:50 | baz_ | how do ya make ur own 'videos' |
| 01:41:50 | baz_ | ? |
| 01:42:31 | diddystar5 | there is a tool to do that |
| 01:42:48 | baz_ | cool |
| 01:43:01 | baz_ | runs only in linux? :) |
| 01:43:07 | diddystar5 | but first you need to have your video in gray scale, then i think you run the program, andit makes the file rockbox can run |
| 01:43:28 | baz_ | ah coo |
| 01:43:29 | baz_ | cool |
| 01:43:34 | diddystar5 | no, its for windows, but im sure wine for linux will be able to run it |
| 01:43:41 | baz_ | kk |
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| 01:43:49 | baz_ | if not ill jst open up vmware |
| 01:43:50 | baz_ | :) |
| 01:44:20 | baz_ | so whats 4.jpg of? |
| 01:44:26 | baz_ | a porn vid? hehe |
| 01:44:31 | diddystar5 | i need a pernament linux, knoppix just dosent "cut the cake" anymore for me |
| 01:44:44 | diddystar5 | lol, its a part of the doom3 demo |
| 01:44:49 | baz_ | heh |
| 01:44:56 | baz_ | use erm gentoo |
| 01:45:17 | diddystar5 | i was thinking either debian, mandrake, or maybe redhat |
| 01:45:21 | diddystar5 | just cant decide |
| 01:45:29 | baz_ | i would recommend gentoo |
| 01:45:31 | baz_ | nice n easy |
| 01:45:35 | baz_ | but fast |
| 01:45:46 | baz_ | i have all of em |
| 01:46:02 | baz_ | i have created my own distro from scratch |
| 01:46:06 | baz_ | but prefer gentoo |
| 01:46:22 | diddystar5 | im looking at screenshots of gentoo now |
| 01:46:30 | baz_ | hehe |
| 01:46:37 | baz_ | all linux os's look the same |
| 01:46:46 | baz_ | jst different themes heh |
| 01:47:09 | diddystar5 | cool |
| 01:47:22 | diddystar5 | have you tried crossover office? |
| 01:47:27 | baz_ | no |
| 01:47:34 | baz_ | i either use kwrite or openoffice |
| 01:47:52 | diddystar5 | it runs ms office on linux |
| 01:47:55 | diddystar5 | wish wine cant do |
| 01:48:00 | diddystar5 | *witch |
| 01:48:07 | baz_ | lol |
| 01:48:31 | diddystar5 | i like the idea of openoffice, but it just dosent have all the stuff ms office has yet |
| 01:48:39 | baz_ | so the videos, what sorta quality r they, do they blur alot every frame? |
| 01:48:42 | baz_ | yeah |
| 01:48:53 | diddystar5 | but it does have the pdf reader, i like that |
| 01:49:10 | baz_ | :) |
| 01:50:14 | baz_ | i bet lots of kids will use this for porn |
| 01:50:44 | diddystar5 | what? |
| 01:50:59 | diddystar5 | the rockbox video? |
| 01:51:01 | baz_ | the 'video' feature |
| 01:51:17 | baz_ | yeah |
| 01:51:35 | diddystar5 | lol it would suck on greyscale |
| 01:51:55 | baz_ | lol yeah |
| 01:52:03 | baz_ | but kids would be like woah! |
| 01:52:08 | baz_ | lol |
| 01:52:33 | baz_ | infact, whats the battery consumtion like with this? |
| 01:53:01 | diddystar5 | i have no idea |
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| 01:53:14 | diddystar5 | if you play video strait, im sure it would be high |
| 01:53:42 | baz_ | yeah |
| 01:56:06 | diddystar5 | http://www.gentoo.org/images/shots/edon-tux.png <- that is a sweet desktop! |
| 01:56:12 | baz_ | i just wonder what rockbox will look like now |
| 01:56:42 | diddystar5 | whats your current version? |
| 01:56:53 | baz_ | 2.1 |
| 01:57:23 | diddystar5 | mostly the same, except for the lpaylist viewer |
| 01:57:37 | diddystar5 | gotta go |
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| 01:57:40 | diddystar5 | see you |
| 01:57:46 | baz_ | cya |
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| 01:57:50 | baz_ | thx for the screenshots |
| 01:57:58 | diddystar5 | welcome |
| 01:57:59 | diddystar5 | bye |
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| 02:38:19 | [AFX]Masskiller | wow @ http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-12/0541.shtml |
| 02:38:30 | [AFX]Masskiller | er |
| 02:38:30 | [AFX]Masskiller | http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-12/0439.shtml |
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| 05:24:14 | pookyhead34 | hi... i'm using the v2.1 firmware (flashed) on my recorder 20... i use 2100mah NiMH batteries −− and i get a "?" on the battery meter. any ideas? (this didn't happen before v2.1) |
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| 05:31:46 | Sebulba02 | maybe that should be in the FAQ? |
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| 06:25:13 | uiibaa | how disheartening |
| 06:25:24 | uiibaa | I just got an archos av120 for my bday |
| 06:25:46 | Sebulba02 | which is that? |
| 06:26:02 | uiibaa | records mp3's and divx video |
| 06:26:08 | uiibaa | and that means, no rockbox |
| 06:26:21 | uiibaa | and that means stupid crap I have to deal with |
| 06:26:24 | uiibaa | like not resuming |
| 06:26:28 | uiibaa | wtf |
| 06:26:32 | Sebulba02 | heh |
| 06:26:36 | uiibaa | why?! |
| 06:26:42 | uiibaa | why can't they just resume!?! |
| 06:26:56 | uiibaa | every year I get some stupid player that doesn't resume |
| 06:27:00 | Sebulba02 | you could always try to write your own firmware.. |
| 06:27:08 | uiibaa | and every year I leave that piece of shit somewhere to rot |
| 06:27:32 | uiibaa | even worse, the one I actually got for my bday was dead on arrival |
| 06:27:42 | uiibaa | so, when I get it, get an extended warranty |
| 06:27:46 | uiibaa | I find out there's no rockbox |
| 06:27:55 | uiibaa | and stupid features |
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| 07:12:17 | uiibaa | I can't find a resume function at all =( |
| 07:12:24 | uiibaa | any hacks for the firmware out there? |
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| 07:41:35 | uiibaa | I can't keep this |
| 07:41:44 | uiibaa | I am returning it |
| 07:44:05 | uiibaa | I hope I get my extended warranty money back |
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| 08:23:20 | zYgoat | wow, an archos return |
| 08:23:52 | zYgoat | i think the recorder fm 20 is discontinued |
| 08:24:13 | zYgoat | archos' line seems to be "keep a moving target" |
| 08:24:32 | zYgoat | "keep releasing new stuff with features - that way we don't have the old headaches" |
| 08:24:55 | zYgoat | which is ok i guess - possibly only way for them to survive as a company |
| 08:25:39 | zYgoat | what surprises me, is after rockbox clearly blows their firmware out of the water -that they haven't just adopted rockbox |
| 08:26:48 | zYgoat | well it's not too surprising, due to legal issues and "not invented here" syndrome |
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| 11:43:20 | Guest | ll |
| 11:44:17 | Guest | a question about the archos studio player and a nforce 2 motherboard |
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| 11:46:19 | Guest | when i installed the usb drivers from archos, i got an irql_.... mistake, does this rockboxx fix? |
| 11:47:58 | Guest | how can i fix it?? |
| 11:49:49 | dwihno | well |
| 11:49:58 | dwihno | It's not a rockbox issue |
| 11:50:27 | dwihno | Unless the irq thing happened on your archos while running rockbox ;) |
| 11:51:04 | Guest | i read that a new firmware could fix it |
| 11:52:43 | dwihno | hm |
| 11:52:54 | dwihno | does the irq thing occur on your archos or on the pc? |
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| 11:53:32 | Guest | it occurs on my pc |
| 11:54:25 | Guest | i installed the archos usb-drivers, connect my archos to my pc, turned it on....blue screen |
| 11:55:54 | Guest | it's called irql_less_or_equal... |
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| 17:46:28 | zYgoat | well i am making my first report on the iriver ifp590t 256MB mp3-encoding FM tuner/mp3 player |
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| 18:08:13 | zYgoat | microphone/dictaphone functon very good. picked out my voice very well in a reverberant room |
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| 18:08:21 | zYgoat | microphone was better than expected |
| 18:08:49 | zYgoat | menu layout is ok i guess - i'd prefer to create my own menus of course |
| 18:09:15 | zYgoat | fm reception was the most interesting to me |
| 18:09:38 | zYgoat | because of the difficulty of combining sensitive FM recievers with digital circuitry (a 70 mhz ARM7 CPU etc) |
| 18:10:01 | zYgoat | i live in germany - many tightly packed stations - mostly fair signal strength |
| 18:10:04 | zYgoat | but rejection is key |
| 18:10:49 | zYgoat | well, in the first floor of my house - reception was good. picked up about 20 listenable stations and about 5 recordable ones |
| 18:11:10 | zYgoat | then i changed headphones - uh oh - reception characteristics changed massively |
| 18:11:16 | zYgoat | plug into stereo - massive changes again |
| 18:11:27 | zYgoat | move around - interference, splotching sounds |
| 18:11:44 | zYgoat | move into car - plug into stereo, try reception |
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| 18:11:49 | zYgoat | NO recordable stations |
| 18:11:59 | zYgoat | (car chassis blocks many signals) |
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| 19:35:40 | track | hello |
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| 19:48:50 | zYgoat | moo |
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| 20:01:25 | track | i think goats bleat not moo |
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| 21:02:23 | track | hi |
| 21:06:47 | zYgoat | moo |
| 21:06:51 | zYgoat | yeah |
| 21:06:53 | zYgoat | or baah |
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| 21:40:13 | Guest75620 | GREAT MOVIES !!! INCREDIBLE !!!! |
| 21:40:42 | Guest75620 | Only a problem: the UCL for recorder says "Incompatible version" on my recorder V2 software V1 hardware |
| 21:40:47 | Guest75620 | can someone help ? |
| 21:40:53 | Guest75620 | The .ajz works perfectly |
| 21:49:14 | uiibaa | there IS a resume function on the AV120 |
| 21:49:38 | uiibaa | with the latest firmware, pause, then tap off, then it asks if you wanna bookmark it... when you turn it off, then turn back on, it asks if you wanna resume... yay |
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| 22:06:17 | zYgoat | http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-12/0517.shtml |
| 22:06:19 | zYgoat | CLEVER! |
| 22:06:35 | Zagor | nice, huh? |
| 22:06:52 | zYgoat | nice hack with the greyscales |
| 22:06:58 | Zagor | yeah |
| 22:07:31 | zYgoat | i just had an idea |
| 22:07:41 | zYgoat | you could use that trick to do greyscale for static images too |
| 22:07:56 | Jet8810 | anybody getone of those high tech, new archos multimedia big screen models? |
| 22:07:57 | Zagor | he already does that |
| 22:07:57 | zYgoat | a waste of cpu of course |
| 22:08:00 | zYgoat | but that's what cycles are for |
| 22:08:02 | zYgoat | oh :/ |
| 22:08:14 | Zagor | try the "lena" file. it looks great. |
| 22:08:27 | zYgoat | i still need to pick-up an archos |
| 22:08:35 | Zagor | ah :) |
| 22:08:36 | zYgoat | i was hoping to get a used 6GB and drop in a bigger drive |
| 22:09:08 | Zagor | those early units only have usb1.1 though |
| 22:09:09 | zYgoat | or perhaps even a 'broken' one that just has a bent battery clip or a cold solder joint |
| 22:09:28 | zYgoat | well usb 2.0 is in real life only a few times faster |
| 22:09:39 | Jet8810 | well, it makes a HUGE difference zygoat |
| 22:09:44 | Jet8810 | 13 hours vs. one hour |
| 22:09:59 | Jet8810 | more or less is what ive got from it |
| 22:10:05 | zYgoat | wow that's more than i read |
| 22:10:07 | zYgoat | thx for the info |
| 22:10:12 | Zagor | yeah, it's clearly worth it i'd say. |
| 22:10:21 | Jet8810 | np, of course YMMV |
| 22:10:31 | Jet8810 | yea, I now have a Jukebox Zen though |
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| 22:10:36 | Jet8810 | andf its OK, but archos was better |
| 22:10:41 | zYgoat | amazon.de is blowing-out archos FM jukebox 20s for only 199 euro |
| 22:10:46 | Zagor | i don't get 13x speedup, but 6-8x is still enough to make a big difference |
| 22:11:01 | Jet8810 | well maybe it is becasue my copmuter is old...4 years |
| 22:11:10 | Jet8810 | and the 4 year old usb 1.1 into mobo ports are just slow |
| 22:11:13 | zYgoat | they're even charging more for the archos recorder |
| 22:11:21 | beerli | hello everyone. I'm intending to buy a v2 recorder. but I'm concerned about the battery |
| 22:11:34 | beerli | any experience? |
| 22:11:36 | Zagor | beerli: then try to get a v1 |
| 22:11:57 | Jet8810 | haha |
| 22:12:18 | beerli | v2 is built in and v1 battery is echangeable? |
| 22:12:25 | * | zYgoat is away: is grazing elsewhere |
| 22:12:28 | beerli | and: what's so funny:) |
| 22:12:30 | Jet8810 | Zagor, out of curiosity, how often did you (do you?) use MP3 player? |
| 22:12:44 | Jet8810 | nothing beerli :) |
| 22:12:44 | Zagor | i use it for 4-8 hours every day |
| 22:12:48 | Jet8810 | wow |
| 22:13:03 | Jet8810 | beerli, I say get the v2 anyway...its rechargable...and lasts awhile |
| 22:13:09 | Zagor | beerli: yes, that's correct. v1 is NiMH AA and v2 is LiIon special |
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| 22:13:18 | Jet8810 | see, I have a Pocket PC also |
| 22:13:21 | Jet8810 | and thats for daily listening |
| 22:13:28 | beerli | can I exchange the special built in thing qwhen it's fucked after a time? |
| 22:13:31 | Jet8810 | so mp3 is only for long trips, which is why I am not too picky as to which one I get |
| 22:13:43 | Zagor | Jet8810: how much storage do you have on your pocket pc thingy? |
| 22:13:46 | Jet8810 | beerli, it can be taken out rather easily, dont see why you couldnt get a battery off ebay or something |
| 22:13:51 | Jet8810 | Zagor, 1gb CF card |
| 22:13:53 | Jet8810 | :-D |
| 22:13:54 | beerli | you know these things happen and I heared bad things (ipot issue) |
| 22:14:10 | Jet8810 | that combined with WMA or OGG is enough to at least have a decent size batch on there |
| 22:14:16 | Zagor | Jet8810: well, i can't live without my entire collection so I have a 80gig disk in my archos :) |
| 22:14:24 | beerli | great! thank you guys for information. |
| 22:14:37 | Jet8810 | haha Zagor |
| 22:14:39 | beerli | guess I'll be using rockbox shortly |
| 22:14:45 | Zagor | beerli: welcome :) |
| 22:14:47 | Jet8810 | my entire collection is 20gb, but there is maybe 1.5 gigs that I listen to regularly |
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| 22:16:02 | Zagor | i gave up batch listening when I got my first archos. no more choosing which music to bring! |
| 22:16:32 | zYgoat | Zagor: can the 6 GB be upgraded that high? |
| 22:16:37 | Zagor | yes |
| 22:16:44 | zYgoat | man |
| 22:16:50 | zYgoat | it's a moral imperative now |
| 22:16:56 | zYgoat | this is the total hacker jukebox |
| 22:17:13 | zYgoat | is a ram-increase doable? 2MB is really low |
| 22:17:15 | Jet8810 | true Zagor |
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| 22:17:41 | Jet8810 | but I will bring ONE device with me...not an mp3 and PDA...too much junk, and as fun as music is, PDA is productive :) |
| 22:17:49 | zYgoat | i hope i didn't ask something |
| 22:17:53 | zYgoat | wrong |
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| 22:18:11 | Jet8810 | heh |
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| 22:18:14 | zYgoat | not you wrong jet |
| 22:18:17 | zYgoat | me wrong zygoat |
| 22:18:25 | zYgoat | agree on pda |
| 22:18:32 | zYgoat | i almost bought a zaurus for an mp3 player |
| 22:18:33 | Jet8810 | heh |
| 22:18:35 | zYgoat | but i want to record |
| 22:18:39 | Jet8810 | yea |
| 22:18:43 | zYgoat | recording is way up there for me |
| 22:18:48 | Jet8810 | if you need heavy duty MP3s, then MP3 player is very important |
| 22:19:08 | Jet8810 | if you need organization, and a daily tools, PDA is important |
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| 22:19:22 | zYgoat | only reason i'd buy a pda is for school and games |
| 22:20:18 | zYgoat | i'd like to know how ppl got started developing rockbox |
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| 22:20:56 | Zagor | zYgoat: yes you can increase the ram. there's a documented 8MB mod on the rockbox site. but you don't gain as much as you'd think. |
| 22:21:14 | Zagor | also it's a quite difficult mod |
| 22:22:48 | Zagor | zYgoat: how do you mean "how ppl got started"? we cracked the scrambling, then wrote our own firmware. what other ways are there? ;) |
| 22:22:56 | Jet8810 | lol |
| 22:23:04 | * | xam has the ram at home, but I'm too scared to do smd soldering ... I'm crap in 'normal' soldering, and I'd mess it up - guaranteed! |
| 22:23:57 | Zagor | yeah, if you're not showing off your soldering skills to your friends, you're probably not up for the ram mod. |
| 22:24:04 | Zagor | i sure aint |
| 22:24:59 | Jet8810 | haa |
| 22:25:08 | Jet8810 | i thought you did that mod! |
| 22:25:15 | Zagor | no |
| 22:25:22 | Jet8810 | ah ok |
| 22:25:22 | Jet8810 | see |
| 22:25:25 | Jet8810 | im the person who would try to do it |
| 22:25:29 | Jet8810 | first time soldering |
| 22:25:32 | Jet8810 | and mess it up, of course |
| 22:26:19 | Zagor | :) |
| 22:26:24 | zYgoat | mmm |
| 22:26:34 | Jet8810 | :) |
| 22:26:35 | xam | my friend messed up his ps2 while trying to install the mod chip ... |
| 22:27:34 | zYgoat | one should practice soldering on cheap materials |
| 22:28:50 | Jet8810 | heh |
| 22:31:15 | xam | this is actually quite a funny story: he got a mod chip, and was frustrated that he had to solder 18 wires (directly on the chip/motherboard). So he got an 2nd mod (with an extra circuit board), because they advertized that you just have to solder 9 wires at easy spots ... they just forget to mention that you have to solder the mod chip onto this extra curcuit board that requires additional 26 soldering steps :-P |
| 22:32:30 | xam | at one stage his soldering iron 'slipped' and he burned some transistor on the motherboard ... |
| 22:33:21 | zYgoat | best soldering i've done was repairing a cracked single-layer circuit board - never touched a cpu |
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| 22:33:44 | zYgoat | xam: did he have a fine-tip soldering iron/gun? |
| 22:33:52 | zYgoat | i like those quick-heating ones |
| 22:33:59 | zYgoat | easier to control the heat (for me) |
| 22:34:31 | xam | for the first mod: no, for the 2nd mod: yes, but he 'slipped' while trying the 2nd mod |
| 22:36:08 | xam | zYgoat: I have to agree that it's easier with the fine-tip, but you should have a soldering iron where you can regulate the heat (at the transformer) |
| 22:36:10 | zYgoat | bummer for him |
| 22:36:31 | xam | zYgoat: it's lying around now for about a year |
| 22:37:22 | xam | there is a shop in UK (I'm here in Ireland) where they'll fix it for about $85 |
| 22:37:23 | zYgoat | naive question: |
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| 22:37:47 | zYgoat | was rockbox first developed for an archos emulator? |
| 22:38:35 | xam | the most interesting thing about rockbox is that they implemented an archos emulator in the first place ... |
| 22:38:39 | Zagor | no, straight on the hardware |
| 22:38:40 | xam | IMHO |
| 22:38:58 | Zagor | we didn't... |
| 22:39:22 | * | zYgoat wants to get into embedded systems |
| 22:39:23 | Zagor | we have UI simulators, but they only do the user interface not the whole archos |
| 22:39:32 | xam | ahh, ic |
| 22:39:50 | xam | makes more sense to me now |
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| 22:40:14 | zYgoat | did anyone make an archos hardware 101 doc? or notes? |
| 22:40:17 | Zagor | one guy has written what amounts to almost an archos emulator, but that was more than a year after we started on Rockbox |
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| 22:40:27 | zYgoat | ah |
| 22:40:32 | track | Hiya |
| 22:40:34 | track | hi goat |
| 22:40:37 | track | hi Zagor |
| 22:40:37 | zYgoat | hi track |
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| 22:40:43 | zYgoat | it just seems impossible, Zagor |
| 22:40:53 | zYgoat | without a lot of inside contacts |
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| 22:40:54 | Zagor | zYgoat: nah, just hard work |
| 22:41:04 | track | hi Zagor |
| 22:41:07 | Zagor | hi track |
| 22:41:22 | Zagor | it was quite useful when debugging the flash booter |
| 22:41:23 | track | im impressed with the video playback on the archos wiv that plugin |
| 22:41:34 | Zagor | yeah, me too |
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| 22:41:48 | track | Would sound be possible with the playback? |
| 22:41:52 | xam | ahh, that reminds me of the good old C64 days ... back then I was brave enough to do mods |
| 22:41:56 | Zagor | track: yes |
| 22:42:00 | track | cool |
| 22:42:08 | track | It would be great to watch DVD rips on it |
| 22:42:26 | track | I didn't think the LCD could do greyscale |
| 22:42:27 | xam | track: DVD rips? you *ought* to be kidding |
| 22:42:38 | xam | track: it can't ;) |
| 22:42:55 | track | well convert them to 112x64 in virtualdub then use the files to convert to .rvf |
| 22:43:15 | Zagor | track: you need to convert the movies to the special rockbox format first. there's no time to unpack or decode data while playing it. |
| 22:43:24 | track | yea i know that |
| 22:43:25 | Zagor | right |
| 22:43:35 | track | but i wondered if the special rockbox format could also include sound |
| 22:44:01 | Zagor | probably rather a "link" to an mp3 file |
| 22:44:08 | track | I wonder how the greyscale is achieved |
| 22:44:11 | track | yea prob Zagor |
| 22:44:12 | xam | zagor it's enough CPU power for single *.jpgs, gifs and pngs |
| 22:44:13 | zYgoat | maybe there's no time |
| 22:44:17 | Zagor | by flicking bits. read jörgs mail. |
| 22:44:26 | zYgoat | no cpu time |
| 22:44:31 | Zagor | xam: yes, if we convert first and then show it |
| 22:44:36 | track | flicking bits to achieve the greyscale? |
| 22:44:39 | Zagor | yes |
| 22:44:47 | track | lol |
| 22:44:50 | track | makes no sense to me :( |
| 22:45:00 | track | reminds me of a rejected request show greyscale |
| 22:45:02 | Zagor | turn one pixel on and off while make it gray. |
| 22:45:16 | Zagor | s/while/will |
| 22:45:21 | xam | track: try to open and close your eyes about 60 times a second ;) |
| 22:45:24 | track | must need a bit of CPU power to do that |
| 22:45:30 | track | lol |
| 22:45:36 | Zagor | yeah, about all of it :) |
| 22:45:41 | track | lol |
| 22:45:45 | track | But is sound still feasable |
| 22:45:46 | track | ? |
| 22:45:51 | zYgoat | archos cpu is 12 mhz 16 bit? |
| 22:45:52 | Zagor | yes |
| 22:45:56 | track | cool |
| 22:45:58 | xam | track: it's done via dsp |
| 22:46:06 | track | I held the Gmini today in John Lewis |
| 22:46:07 | Zagor | zYgoat: 32bit, actually |
| 22:46:17 | track | Zagor everybody is buying Ipods this christmas!!! |
| 22:46:24 | xam | track: fools |
| 22:46:37 | xam | ;) |
| 22:46:38 | track | they sold out in John Lewis where I live |
| 22:46:42 | Zagor | track: so? everybody is buying windows too. |
| 22:46:45 | track | everyone was fighting to get one |
| 22:46:58 | track | yea but windows is the de facto operating system |
| 22:47:07 | Zagor | and ipod is the market leading mp3 player |
| 22:47:13 | xam | track: not at my place |
| 22:47:21 | track | i want to get a Gmini |
| 22:47:24 | Zagor | why? |
| 22:47:43 | track | lots of reasons, CF slot, WMA, blue backlight, USB2, GUI |
| 22:47:44 | xam | track: well, you are right. it's "de facto", but it's not really an operating system ;) |
| 22:48:11 | track | lol |
| 22:48:26 | Zagor | track: you *want* wma? why would anyone want that? |
| 22:48:41 | zYgoat | some people like it a 64kbps |
| 22:48:42 | track | save hd space? |
| 22:49:07 | Zagor | so you want to buy a new 20gig archos for $300 instead of a new 80gig disk for $100? |
| 22:49:24 | track | i didn't know 80 gigger disks exist |
| 22:49:37 | Zagor | you didn't really look, then :) |
| 22:49:42 | track | lol |
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| 22:49:46 | xam | track: the recorder 20 has USB2, GUI, green backlight AND rockbox ... and replaceable batteries |
| 22:50:01 | track | xam i have a recorder 10 |
| 22:50:19 | track | and the UI on the Gmini uses icons not text |
| 22:50:53 | Zagor | for $300 i'll draw you some icons too :) |
| 22:51:02 | zYgoat | i was thinking a perfect game for rockbox would be slot-racers from the atari 2600... man i loved that game... 2k RAM |
| 22:51:06 | Zagor | (on paper ;) |
| 22:51:08 | xam | track: icons is for illiterates |
| 22:51:09 | zYgoat | lol |
| 22:51:10 | track | yea but the screen is smaller than the Gminis |
| 22:51:33 | track | There has to be a way to make the USB1 behave like USB2 |
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| 22:51:44 | track | my usb2 ports are wasted as I have no usb2 devices :-( |
| 22:51:55 | Zagor | track: no, there isn't |
| 22:51:58 | track | i have 4 USB1.1s and 4 USB2.0s |
| 22:52:05 | track | why not? the socket is physically there |
| 22:52:07 | zYgoat | i think the usb is integrated into a chipset |
| 22:52:14 | zYgoat | not a seperate chip - so you can't replace |
| 22:52:17 | xam | I've a usb2 card, but it doesn't work properly under linux :( just can use usb1 |
| 22:52:36 | Zagor | track: duh, the socket is not the issue |
| 22:52:51 | track | oh |
| 22:52:53 | track | k |
| 22:53:27 | track | is it easy to change the HD in the archos? |
| 22:53:36 | xam | yes, quite easy |
| 22:53:52 | track | if i put an 80 gigger in it will it use more battery? |
| 22:53:57 | Zagor | no |
| 22:54:10 | track | cool |
| 22:54:11 | track | ok |
| 22:54:24 | track | im not sure if i could format an 80 gigger as FAT32 since I use XP |
| 22:54:38 | Zagor | use a separate tool (or linux) |
| 22:54:41 | xam | track do you have linux? |
| 22:54:42 | track | prob there would only be an NTFS option :-( |
| 22:54:46 | track | no |
| 22:55:08 | Zagor | track: use this www.ranish.com/part/ |
| 22:55:09 | xam | track: get knoppix, maybe it comes with dosfstools |
| 22:55:17 | track | thanks |
| 22:55:17 | track | :-) |
| 22:55:31 | track | The AV300 can record to WAV as well as MP3 Zagor |
| 22:55:31 | track | :-) |
| 22:56:00 | Zagor | i'd expect that, yes |
| 22:56:25 | track | I wonder what MAS the AV3xx uses |
| 22:56:35 | zYgoat | dosfstools is old! |
| 22:56:39 | Zagor | none. it uses a TI dsp. |
| 22:56:41 | zYgoat | or is it? |
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| 22:57:00 | xam | zYgoat: I don't know ... at least it works |
| 22:57:00 | zYgoat | oh mtools is old−−- sorry nevermind |
| 22:57:10 | Zagor | mkfs.vfat 2.10 (22 Sep 2003) |
| 22:57:40 | zYgoat | zagor, have you been able to use the experience with rockbox for work? |
| 22:57:51 | xam | could repair every vfat error so far |
| 22:58:14 | Zagor | zYgoat: a little. i'm programming a similar lcd controller at my current job, for instance. |
| 22:58:39 | xam | zYgoat: I'm always using the experience with rockbox at work ... music at work is relaxing ;) |
| 22:59:11 | zYgoat | :) |
| 22:59:23 | xam | experience with rockbox = experience of rockbox ;) |
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| 23:01:13 | track | Zagor what do u think of the downloadable plugins for the Gmini? |
| 23:02:48 | track | u buy the Gmini and pay to get the CF reader to work |
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| 23:03:32 | Zagor | track: it's quite simple: don't buy it if you don't like the idea. i'd be upset if they tried to hide the fact, but being public about it I can't say much. |
| 23:04:09 | track | lol |
| 23:04:16 | track | I mean what do u think of the concept? |
| 23:04:41 | track | just say u make a Player that can play MP3 or WAV and you sell a plugin to enable WAV playback |
| 23:04:57 | track | what do u think of the concept? |
| 23:05:02 | xam | what was the best 'deal' you ever made? I mean what kind of electric/electronic device did you buy in the past that exceeded what it promised? |
| 23:05:05 | Zagor | so you sell software. what's new about that? |
| 23:05:19 | zYgoat | xam, the fostex ps3 mini monitors |
| 23:05:29 | zYgoat | xam, the event 20/20 monitors |
| 23:05:46 | zYgoat | two good budget speaker buys - newer ones are better deals tho |
| 23:06:00 | xam | etymotic er-4 |
| 23:06:06 | track | I mean, do u think its fair you buy a player with a CF reader and forced to pay extra if u want the CF reader to work? |
| 23:06:10 | zYgoat | what is etymotic? |
| 23:06:23 | xam | archos recorder 20 (at least so far, and with help of the rockbox team) |
| 23:06:40 | zYgoat | track - it's fair if the product description mentions that |
| 23:06:43 | xam | etymotic one of the best (in-ear) monitors |
| 23:06:52 | Zagor | zYgoat: an ear plug manufacturer that also sells some headphones. celebrated by many, junked by me |
| 23:07:16 | zYgoat | hmm i will look at them |
| 23:07:31 | zYgoat | anyone hear recordings made by "core" binaural mikes? |
| 23:07:35 | Zagor | don't look - listen! they cost $300 and sound (IMHO) lousy |
| 23:07:37 | xam | zagor some don't like sticking things in their ears ... it's uncomfortable for some |
| 23:08:04 | Zagor | xam: i love in-ear phones. i just don't like the etys. i use sony ex70 instead. |
| 23:08:09 | zYgoat | that website has the most effulgent purchaser reccomendations - the core sound mikes are perfect for loud concerts |
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| 23:10:09 | xam | zagor at least for me the sound is comparable to my sennheise HD580's |
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| 23:11:26 | xam | zagor I have to agree $330 is quite a lot of money, but I got mine from ebay at $180 |
| 23:11:42 | Zagor | xam: yeah, some people love them. i can't say you or they are wrong, just that they were a big dissapointment for me. |
| 23:12:27 | xam | zagor I don't try to convince you ;) I just wanted to also tell my experience ... |
| 23:12:29 | * | zYgoat checks out sony ex70 |
| 23:13:36 | xam | zYgoat: btw, yes, I heard binaural recordings ... |
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| 23:16:16 | zYgoat | i notice a lot of his letters are from people without much experience with mics - but he has some from engineers |
| 23:17:04 | zYgoat | i've just got these 40 dollar sony earbuds - my 1979 sennheisers died around 1990 |
| 23:17:29 | xam | zYgoat: the unfortunate thing about binaural recordings is that it isn't perfect 3d sound. you can't produce it that way for 100% of the people, since the inner ear canals differ from person to person. for me the binaural recording sounded good, but they couldn't represent objects in the front or the back properly |
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| 23:18:50 | zYgoat | by that standard, you can't record perfect 3d sound - you need to generate it for each listener |
| 23:19:30 | xam | zYgoat: I also bought some sony earbuds md-something for about $35 a couple of years ago. They are crap in comparison to *any* in-ear bud |
| 23:19:50 | Zagor | yeah. in-ear is the way to go. |
| 23:19:52 | xam | zYgoat: nope, you have to use boxes |
| 23:20:06 | Zagor | except stay far away for KOSS "the plug"... |
| 23:20:10 | Zagor | from |
| 23:20:54 | xam | Zagor: I've also hear not-so-good reviews about the bang&olufsen in-ear |
| 23:21:03 | Zagor | ok. i haven't tried thos. |
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| 23:21:23 | zYgoat | i guess i never expected good sound from in-ear |
| 23:22:09 | xam | zYgoat: the first in-ears I used was a mono-in-ear from about 20 years ago. it was utter crap ;) |
| 23:22:56 | zYgoat | hah i still have one - with the 'flesh' colored backing and the clear or white ear-stopper |
| 23:23:07 | zYgoat | came with my radio shack electronics kit |
| 23:24:23 | xam | mine was all-white ... well it used to be |
| 23:25:20 | zYgoat | hah |
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