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#rockbox log for 2003-12-22

00:00:02kurzhaarrockerYou need a recursive tape for that.
00:00:08midknight2k3http://eeggs.com/tree/7915.html
00:00:09Bluechipkurz: it may be possible, never actually tried, but would it not be easier to add the calls you require to the the plugin-code
00:00:13midknight2k3I SUBMITTED THAT EASTER EGG
00:00:14midknight2k3http://eeggs.com/tree/7915.html
00:00:14midknight2k3http://eeggs.com/tree/7915.html
00:00:14DBUGEnqueued KICK midknight2k3
00:00:14midknight2k3http://eeggs.com/tree/7915.html
00:00:20midknight2k3have a look
00:00:23midknight2k3WOO
00:00:33arspy87*clicks strange repetitive blue lettering*
00:00:34midknight2k38.3 / 10 thumbs up\
00:00:56arspy87nice, midk
00:01:03midknight2k38.3
00:01:06kurzhaarrockerblue: that's a question of design. I need code from apps/recorder/peakmeter.c And I don't think it should be in the general api. Only code from firmware.
00:01:07midknight2k3thats a HIGH rating
00:01:11midknight2k3bet im in the top 25 eggs
00:01:16midknight2k3ill check
00:01:28midknight2k3ohh
00:01:30midknight2k3most popular
00:01:34midknight2k3not most high rating
00:01:35Bluechipkurz: ahh, just replied to your posting
00:01:48CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
00:01:48*kurzhaarrocker reads
00:02:28arspy87someone: can anybody point me to the distinguishes between c and c++
00:02:56 Quit Sebulba02 ("brb")
00:03:04Bluechipars: LOL - you in for a shock dude
00:03:17Bluechipobject orientation is like you've never seen before
00:03:17midknight2k3ars - i like that
00:03:18midknight2k3kik
00:03:21midknight2k3lol*
00:03:24midknight2k3hey ars
00:03:33arspy87i am learning c++ currently
00:03:44arspy87if i were to write c code what are the things that i cant use
00:03:44kurzhaarrockerblue: the vu meter uses the the MAS functions directly. That's why it doesn't have db scaling. For db scaling the vu meter could take advantage of peakmeter, too.
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00:04:02Bluechipspy: remove all objects and use printf instead of cout
00:04:35arspy87ok, so it's printf << "text" instead of std::cout << "text"?
00:04:48arspy87darn emotes
00:05:09Bluechipkurz: I suggest you have two options then ...clone the code or improve the plugin interface :)
00:05:24arspy87what about cin for input? is that replaced?
00:05:34Bluechipno printf(qualifier,variables, ...);
00:05:51arspy87ahhh
00:05:52arspy87bad
00:06:01Sebulba02Whats bad about printf?
00:06:04arspy87can't comprehend differnt syntax....
00:06:13Bluechiptype "man printf" into google :)
00:06:36arspy87good idea
00:06:47Bluechip(VERY cute feature of google is a clone of the unix MANual)
00:06:55kurzhaarrockerblue: code cloning is not an option. Improving the plugin interface to solve this dilemma might be to establish a second api pointer for the stuff in apps. Doesn't feel good either.
00:06:58Bluechip(kettle) brb
00:07:26arspy87so how would i print stuff to the screen with printf?
00:07:42kurzhaarrockerjust say printf("hello world");
00:07:44arspy87and wait, objects = ? sorry ive only made it to chapter 4 of c++ for dummies
00:07:49arspy87ah, thank you
00:08:07midknight2k3YAY
00:08:14midknight2k3i got 1 second recorded before it stopped this time
00:08:22arspy87oh really, midk
00:08:28midknight2k3at this rate only about 60*60*2.5
00:08:32midknight2k3like ...
00:08:34midknight2k3hmm
00:08:46kurzhaarrockerthe trick is the format strings: printf("%d + %d = %d", 1, 2, 1 + 2); prints 1 + 2 = 3
00:08:52midknight2k39000 more seconds to record
00:09:18arspy87youll be up for a while midk
00:09:20midknight2k3add in about an extra 3000 for bad timed "RECORD" pressed
00:09:30midknight2k3and a few extras also for when the screen dims
00:09:34midknight2k3id say about 15000 total
00:10:04arspy87so what things are object in c++? brb getting our the reference for the rest of us
00:10:08midknight2k3hhhhhrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmmmmmmmm
00:10:10arspy87out*
00:10:45midknight2k3YREAH!~~!!!!
00:10:53midknight2k3NO LINES WHEN RECORDING FROM SCREEN
00:11:01midknight2k3maybe a good idea after all!
00:12:17arspy87objects in c++ = arrays, , i/o streams, pointers, etc?
00:12:51kurzhaarrockerarspy: as soon as you have a class of a struct with functions in it it's the definition of an object.
00:13:03arspy87oooh, ok i get it now
00:13:13kurzhaarrockerreplace the first of with or, please
00:13:21arspy87k
00:13:38Bluechipkurz: hmmm, what other options are available?
00:13:38Bluechipspy: if you cannot program in C, learn C BEFORE you try to learn C++ (imho)
00:13:53arspy87i'd so never eb able to learn that, learned only object-oriented languages so far
00:14:13Bluechipif you cannot handle C, then C++ is braced to eat you alive
00:14:28Sebulba02I dunno about that.
00:14:39kurzhaarrockerI doubt that, too.
00:14:43arspy87i've got 2 books, lol. one of them doesnt recommend learning c first. and the other says it doesnt matter lol
00:14:44Bluechipc++ is C with objects and not a lot more
00:14:45midknight2k3good ok took a small clip
00:14:48midknight2k3ill try to convert it
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00:15:20Sebulba02Uh, quite a bit more. It gives you memory allocation
00:15:23kurzhaarrockerbluechip: no. Object orientet programming is a style
00:15:32glytchi hear there is mpg playing in rockbox now ?
00:15:41midknight2k3glytch: videos, yes
00:15:43midknight2k3rvf format
00:15:51midknight2k3you can convert to rvf from avi
00:15:56midknight2k3not mpeg
00:16:02arspy87avi = mpg
00:16:07arspy87you can just change the extension
00:16:11glytchdamn... thats awsome
00:16:18midknight2k3as: uhh
00:16:21midknight2k3thats asf and wmv
00:16:22BluechipKurz: sorry dude, don't do the OO debate - i understand both views and am not prepared to limit myself to one level of understanding
00:16:22glytchseems like ogg playing isn't so impossible anymore... (:
00:16:24arspy87ive done it, lol
00:16:34kurzhaarrockerblue ok
00:16:34midknight2k3iirc
00:17:12arspy87ogg = really nice
00:17:24arspy87especially on a portable
00:17:34kurzhaarrockerglytch: ogg is impossible.
00:17:42glytchkurzhaarrocker, absolutely no hope?
00:17:44arspy87wont tha require too much processor?
00:17:46arspy87(ogg)
00:17:47Bluechipkurz: never say impossible
00:18:16midknight2k3as: yes
00:18:19kurzhaarrockerRead the nodos. No ogg with rockbox. Can't work.
00:18:29midknight2k3kurz: are you positive of that?
00:18:40Sebulba02heh
00:18:41arspy87is it all taht fixed point vs floating point yuckiness with ogg encoding?
00:18:42Bluechipkurz: the nodo needs updating
00:18:49arspy87= more cpu usage required
00:19:04Bluechipwhat about the onboard programmable DSP?
00:19:04kurzhaarrockerblue: what info do I miss then?
00:19:06glytchi bet there is a way...
00:19:14arspy87what about low bitrate ogg?
00:19:15Bluechipthe programming docs for the MAS
00:19:23glytchpeopled tried floating point emulation ?
00:19:58kurzhaarrockerBlue it's not the programming docs, it's a problem of the huge tables that don't fit into the memory of the MAS
00:20:12arspy87arent portables fixed? so ogg would take too much to decode
00:20:18Bluechipdepends what functions are already supplied
00:20:19arspy87thus why it always kills battery life
00:20:25midknight2k3i bet its possible to do ogg if we both flash rockbox enabling >200KB firmware and also deleting every feature available (plugins, lineselector, etc)
00:20:39kurzhaarrockerThe programming docs _might_ enable wav playback at low quality though.
00:20:50midknight2k3and then make a NO FRILLS TOTALLY UNFRILLY 500KB firmwrae for ogg
00:21:04arspy87you cant go above 200kb for rockbox?
00:21:05BluechipI must say, that I feel ogg *is* unlikely, but I will not go so far as to risk my reputation on saying "impossible"
00:21:10midknight2k3nope
00:21:18kurzhaarrockermidknight: the memory of the MAS is in the MAS and has nothing to do with the memory rockbox is in
00:21:19midknight2k3blue: right on
00:21:28midknight2k3kurz: what?
00:21:35midknight2k3archos doesnt allow >200KB firmware
00:21:36midknight2k3period
00:21:40midknight2k3unless you flash it
00:22:33kurzhaarrockerthe MAS has it's own memory. The SH1 has its own memory. The MAS can not use the memory of the cpu.
00:22:33midknight2k3nothing to do with the MAS
00:22:33arspy87oh
00:22:35Bluechiphence the introduction of the plugin system L)
00:22:48midknight2k3kurz: i dont think you're getting my point
00:24:09arspy87how much space would ogg require?
00:24:21Bluechipdepends on what is not there already
00:24:23kurzhaarrockermidk: I don't even get where I lost your point.
00:24:35midknight2k3kurz: good
00:25:45arspy87why doesnt the archos allow more than 200kb fw, is it a ram issue?
00:25:54kurzhaarrockerarspy: I think the ogg tables require ~400 kb. I might be wrong though.
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00:25:55Bluechipfirmware issue afaik
00:26:38Bluechip HEYYYY :) the wim has stopped GPFing :)
00:26:42Bluechip*sim
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00:30:29earHertzIt's not a memory issue (although more code means less mpeg buffer means more disk reads means shorter battery life), it's anArchos loader issue.
00:30:40earHertzArchos won't load > ~204KB
00:30:51midknight2k3>200 ear
00:31:03earHertzwhatever
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00:31:22arspy87back, sorry guys computer crashed
00:31:28midknight2k3SDD YOUR FACE
00:31:39arspy87sorry midk lol
00:31:44kurzhaarrockerearHertz: but wouldn't it be able to overcome that issue now that the bootloader is done by rockbox, too?
00:32:03earHertzYeah, theorretically.
00:32:13midknight2k3kurz: RIGHT
00:32:23earHertzBut you'd have to load a normal size rockbox and have it load oyur bigger one.
00:32:25midknight2k3which is WHAT I WAS SAYING when you started to talk about MAS memory
00:32:28kurzhaarrockerEven if not: the tables could be loaded from disk after boot.
00:32:30midknight2k3thats where you lost me
00:32:36midknight2k3ear: no
00:32:38earHertzBut do you need code space or data space?
00:32:47midknight2k3withour own bootloader we could overcome the issue outright
00:33:03earHertzonly if it were our bootloader in flash rom
00:33:12midknight2k3RIGHT
00:33:13midknight2k3it is
00:33:15midknight2k3when you flash
00:33:18kurzhaarrockermidk: this still doesn't solve the problem that we can't put the data anywhere where the MAS chip could access the data.
00:33:19midknight2k3there is no need for multi loading
00:33:35midknight2k3sure, but if we had a good algo worked out in our >200kb fw it could happen
00:34:13earHertztell me, why do you think archos decodes mp3s on the mas rather than on the sh1?
00:34:21kurzhaarrockermidk: no the MAS chip doesn't have address and data wires to the ram chip that is used for flash / ram. It uses its own internal memory.
00:34:33Bluechipcomms is via i2c
00:34:34midknight2k3and thats all it uses for decoding?
00:34:41midknight2k3but we can put what we want there.
00:34:46Bluechipno addr bus
00:34:48midknight2k3so we can do a software decoder
00:35:04earHertzmidknight2k3, I repeat, tell me, why do you think archos decodes mp3s on the mas rather than on the sh1?
00:35:07kurzhaarrockererHertz: thats why the MAS chip is in the thing it is the codec dsp
00:35:14earHertzthe sh1 is 12mHz
00:35:19Bluechip4kx20bits of "coefficient" memory and 4Kx20bits of code space
00:35:22midknight2k3because the mas is built for it!
00:35:24earHertztoo slow
00:35:31arspy87brb dinner.
00:35:36kurzhaarrockerespecially with fix point arithmetic
00:35:39midknight2k3right. but with the larger firmware its possssible
00:35:55Bluechipthe MAS chip is the MP3 codec
00:36:05midknight2k3back in a few
00:36:45kurzhaarrockerbluechip: and in these 4Kx20bits you can not stuff 400 kb ogg tables.
00:37:15Bluechipis that the only way of doing it? bummer!
00:37:23kurzhaarrockeryes
00:37:27Bluechipimpossible to optimise the ogg code! damn
00:37:53Bluechipand zero useful functions built into the mas too - that's not helpful
00:38:26BluechipI has preeviously guessed that the MAS would have all the primary transforms available to the codec
00:38:37Bluechipcodec->ram-code
00:38:42kurzhaarrockerThere might be some useful functions. Maybe even functions that could help decompressing jpgs or something.
00:38:54Bluechipthat's in interesting thought
00:40:11kurzhaarrockerunfortunately ogg decoding not only requires the functions, but those large tables, too.
00:40:43Bluechipit's all a matter of whether they can be optimised, or even generated on the fly somehow
00:41:08Bluechipbwt wouldn't be much use, but the principle is sound
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00:42:51Bluechiphow do I get to see the post processor output for my code?
00:43:19*kurzhaarrocker scratches his head
00:43:27kurzhaarrockernever tried to
00:43:41Bluechipbug of weirdness in the sim - looks really simple - but CAN I FIND IT???
00:43:49Bluechipnooooo
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00:46:07arspy87back
00:46:53arspy87*checks to see what he missed*
00:47:34arspy87i still wonder why ogg is encoded with floating point
00:47:44arspy87not very optimized for portable devices
00:48:15Bluechipaccuracy
00:48:26Sebulba02Better that way.
00:48:43arspy87?
00:49:13Sebulba02Floating point accuracy
00:49:37arspy87isnt that what requires more cpu usage compared to mp3 or whatever?
00:54:44earHertzyes, if floating point is emulated in software
00:55:03arspy87which is true for portable devices, no?
00:55:10earHertzyes and no if you have a hardware floating point unit, as Pentiums
00:55:13kurzhaarrockerdepends on the processor
00:55:18arspy87on ARM7's
00:55:23arspy87there isnt one
00:55:33earHertzarspy87, we don't even support floating point at all in Rockbox, iirc
00:55:51earHertzno flots, no doubles
00:55:56earHertzfloats, even
00:56:07arspy87oh i know, i'm just inquiring
00:56:14Bluechiprecall comments of Jo"rg mentioning some FP stuff at some point during the video stuff
00:56:28arspy87got off ona tangent with myself and ogg, lol
00:58:37arspy87what cpu is in the archos?
00:58:46Bluechipsh-1
00:59:14arspy87no floating point unit on it?
00:59:19kurzhaarrockerno
00:59:32arspy87know if theres floating pt unit on ARM7's?
01:00
01:01:14kurzhaarrockerI don't know
01:02:22kurzhaarrockerfloating point arithmetic can be emulated. But that is slow and uses memory. Generally there's no need for floating point in rockbox since all the floating point things are done by the MAS
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01:02:49midknight2k3hey all
01:02:50arspy87wb midk
01:02:56arspy87you missed the heated discussion
01:03:00midknight2k3on what
01:03:11arspy87ogg, floating point accuracy, and ARM7 processors
01:03:16midknight2k3i was here
01:03:17midknight2k3for that
01:03:21arspy87now i have a headache, lol
01:03:27arspy87no, thre was more,
01:03:56arspy87anyway
01:04:01midknight2k3whatever.
01:05:00*kurzhaarrocker beats everybody who doesn't understand his argumentation with a smelly large trout
01:05:10*midknight2k3 slaps kurzhaarrocker around a bit with a large trout
01:05:27*arspy87 slaps midk with an old iPod
01:05:44arspy87sory, couldnt resist
01:05:45midknight2k3lol
01:06:07arspy87kurz: i understand
01:06:15midknight2k3i dont
01:07:18arspy87midk: did you get your analog clock in rb yet?
01:07:37midknight2k3no.. linusn wants a second hand
01:07:43midknight2k3and rb wont compile
01:07:45arspy87makes sense
01:07:47midknight2k3so ... yeah
01:07:49midknight2k3sure it does
01:07:54midknight2k3but if i cant compile it doesnt
01:08:03arspy87gets errors?
01:08:08Bluechipwhats the problem mk
01:08:11midknight2k3correct
01:08:19midknight2k3some stdin #endif without #if
01:08:40arspy87so put in an #if somewhere, lol
01:08:49midknight2k3as: where?
01:08:51midknight2k3can you tell me?
01:08:53arspy87no idea
01:08:58midknight2k3ok then
01:09:11earHertzemail me you code, midknight2k3
01:09:11Bluechipsned me the offending code
01:09:13midknight2k3anyone else have any ideas?
01:09:14Bluechiplol
01:09:18midknight2k3blue: i could fix it
01:09:22arspy87#if (!plugin_ok) lcd_update();
01:09:24midknight2k3the problem is i cant find it
01:09:27arspy87dont you have that?
01:09:31midknight2k3wtf are you talking about as
01:09:34arspy87never mind
01:09:35arspy87lol
01:10:00midknight2k3bc: i could fix it but it just says stdin
01:10:06midknight2k3there is no stdin file
01:10:18earHertzstdin is what the linker is reading
01:10:21Bluechipwhat is the precise and full error
01:10:28earHertzstdin is the filestream out of teh compiler
01:10:31midknight2k3ear: you said that
01:10:35midknight2k3and WHERE can i fix this?
01:11:02earHertzLook, the linker is saying, I read my input and I found an #if withoutt a corresponding #endif
01:11:17midknight2k3ear: i get the error!
01:11:20midknight2k3what is it with you people
01:11:20earHertzYou need to look in your .rock's code
01:11:25midknight2k3I KNOW WHAT AN ENDIF IS
01:11:27*kurzhaarrocker is tired and drops into his bed
01:11:28midknight2k3and ITS NOT IN MY PLUGIN
01:11:39midknight2k3STDIN! S. T. D. I. N. IS WHERE ITS AT!
01:11:41arspy87night kurz
01:11:44midknight2k3does that make sense?
01:11:50earHertzwhat other changes have you made beyond your plugin?
01:11:58midknight2k3none.
01:12:00Bluechiplol
01:12:07midknight2k3/rockbox/lib/gcc-lib/sh-elf/3.0.4/../../../../sh-elf/bin/ld:/home/rockbox/finalc
01:12:07midknight2k3lock6/build/linkage.lds:69: parse error
01:12:24midknight2k3GREAT. line 69 error, AGAIN
01:12:26earHertzif you move your oplugin to another directory, will rockbox compile and link?
01:12:34midknight2k3it wont compile EVER
01:12:37midknight2k3are you listening
01:12:45midknight2k3it doesnt get NEAR the plugins before it sprouts an error
01:12:51arspy87whats on line 69
01:12:59midknight2k3}
01:13:04midknight2k3happened last time
01:13:08arspy87the line above?
01:13:16Bluechipmk, don't ask for advice and then refuse to try the things suggested, or people will feel that they are being ignored and go away ;)
01:13:29midknight2k3its not a suggestion
01:13:30earHertzBluechip, makes a good point
01:13:38midknight2k3you cant suggest fixing something that doesnt exist
01:13:46midknight2k3if you do then i want you to go away indeed
01:13:55Bluechipdid you try eh's specific suggestion?
01:14:04midknight2k3listen carefully. error in linkage.lds. no where near the plug in.
01:14:10midknight2k3that was what?
01:14:14midknight2k3"fix the error"?
01:14:14arspy87what is on line 68?
01:14:20midknight2k3as: ITS }
01:14:25arspy87no, line 68 the one above
01:14:50Bluechipwell, dude, if you fancy trying the EH suggestion (which is imho a good test), let me know what, if anything, changes
01:14:56midknight2k3inbuf = .;
01:15:02midknight2k3blue: WHAT IS THE SUGGESTION
01:15:16Bluechip^^^
01:15:19earHertzmidknight2k3, in your build dir, rm *.o linkage.lds
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01:16:37midknight2k3done
01:16:54earHertznow make
01:16:59midknight2k3am doing
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01:18:04midknight2k3the features list isnt very good
01:18:09midknight2k3hi linusn
01:18:25midknight2k3ear: back to the <stdin>:190:2: #endif without #if error
01:18:42midknight2k3and, er, where did you propose we fix stdin? wasnt it my rock file?
01:18:57earHertzok, look, in your roc .c and .h and see if you have any #if s
01:19:11Bluechipcan you compile a clean source code install?
01:19:12midknight2k3ear: we havent even got close to the rock file
01:19:17midknight2k3blue: no
01:19:20midknight2k3thats the point
01:19:22arspy87do you have a corresponding if to the endif?
01:19:27midknight2k3it doesnt come close to the rock
01:19:31Bluechipthen your problem is with your compiler installation
01:19:33midknight2k3as: thats not the issue!
01:19:42arspy87kk
01:19:50earHertzmidknight2k3, that is precisely the issue
01:19:55arspy87yay
01:20:00midknight2k3forget it
01:20:06midknight2k3second hand isnt coming anytime soon
01:20:08Bluechipforget what?
01:20:13arspy87actually midk is probably right considering im pretty amateur at this stuff
01:20:19midknight2k3the clock
01:20:26*midknight2k3 rubs head
01:20:34arspy87midk can you send it to me?
01:20:39earHertzmidknight2k3, I've offered to have you mail it to me.
01:20:46midknight2k3as: were you listening?
01:20:47midknight2k3NO NO NO!
01:20:55midknight2k3IT is not getting close to the ROCKS YET
01:20:58midknight2k3it isnt a faulty ROCK!
01:21:07Bluechipno, its a faulty cywin installation
01:21:13midknight2k3is bluechip invisible to you all?
01:21:20midknight2k3hes already stated the problem
01:21:26Bluechipyou wanna working dev kit?
01:21:30*midknight2k3 tears hair out
01:21:31LinusNmidknight2k3: i compiled rockbox with cygwin yesterday without problems
01:21:32midknight2k3no thx
01:21:33earHertzok.
01:21:38midknight2k3linus: my fault
01:21:46earHertzand I did it wednesday
01:21:57midknight2k3like i just said, it is my fault
01:22:07midknight2k3if you didnt hear bluechip the three times he said it, it's a faulty cygwin
01:22:16midknight2k3faulty cygwin
01:22:17midknight2k3faulty cygwin
01:22:18DBUGEnqueued KICK midknight2k3
01:22:18midknight2k3faulty cygwin
01:22:28LinusNmidknight2k3: how come?
01:22:35midknight2k3no idea
01:22:50midknight2k3is it worth attempting to implement?
01:22:58midknight2k3i'll do it all if it's worth it
01:23:13midknight2k3i doubt its got a point.. the bounce code already has a clock
01:23:24earHertzSO REINSTALL CYGWIN
01:23:31midknight2k3ear: i will
01:23:35Bluechipi have a one click solution here
01:23:38midknight2k3no need to reiterate
01:23:40earHertzI did that a week or so aago
01:23:45Bluechipsorry, wont offer again
01:23:46midknight2k3calm down
01:23:49midknight2k3blue: what?
01:24:03midknight2k3i was aiming "no need to reiterate" at earhertz
01:24:07Bluechipah
01:24:12earHertzah
01:24:15midknight2k3:\.. whats your idea?
01:24:17arspy87ah
01:25:51arspy87cygwin, is that a command line compiler?
01:26:01midknight2k3cygwin.com
01:26:07arspy87ty
01:26:13midknight2k3bluechip
01:26:15midknight2k3what was your idea?
01:26:47Bluechip^^^
01:26:59midknight2k3 i have a one click solution here.
01:27:08Bluechipthat was the reiteration
01:27:08midknight2k3what you said
01:27:12midknight2k3of....
01:27:34midknight2k3..what?
01:28:31arspy87i still think you need to see if you have a correstponding #if statement
01:28:43midknight2k3as: you're WAY behind
01:28:50arspy87sorry :-/
01:28:54midknight2k3i suggest you read from 50 lines up, to present
01:29:10arspy87i did sorta, but im practically falling asleep
01:29:19Bluechiptype "^^^" it's quicker −− lol
01:29:28midknight2k3but less accurate
01:29:35midknight2k3can you reiterate bluechip
01:30:02arspy87cant you do something like 50x^ ?
01:30:10midknight2k3no
01:30:18midknight2k3thats what KARMA users do
01:30:19arspy87would be more accurate
01:30:25Bluechipi said something about having a dev kit for you and you said something about people ignoring me - LOL
01:30:29arspy87oh is the karma being brought into this now? lol
01:30:51midknight2k3as: if you want it to be
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01:30:58arspy87lol
01:31:05midknight2k3bc: that was about 15 lines later
01:31:14midknight2k3earhertz and as weren't following you
01:31:18arspy87karma is very innocent in this matter imo
01:31:24midknight2k3sure
01:31:28midknight2k3as it cannot be programmed
01:31:32midknight2k3stuck with original firmware
01:31:38arspy87true
01:31:40midknight2k3no point in discussing
01:31:59arspy87in terms of open source, you are correct mr knight
01:32:11midknight2k3even in non open source
01:32:21midknight2k3the archos can be "programmed" by non programmers
01:32:24midknight2k3custom wps'
01:32:38arspy87interesting
01:32:40midknight2k3no need to touch the source to have a customized firmware
01:32:46midknight2k3playing screen
01:33:16arspy87no possible programmable on the karma anyway which stinks, but id be awful at it anyway
01:33:17midknight2k3very
01:33:27midknight2k3you'd be, but would others?
01:33:37midknight2k3its possible
01:33:43arspy87the encryption is too simple to make it impossible to access audio data i heard
01:33:55arspy87so it wouldnt be released by rio
01:34:37arspy87hey i have an idea
01:34:37earHertzsame. If the Karma were open source, I'd have bought it by now
01:34:50midknight2k3well duh
01:34:52midknight2k3ida busted the archos
01:34:56midknight2k3and swapped it
01:34:58arspy87can you write a pseudocrossfade in rb? would be nice
01:35:03midknight2k3nope
01:35:08midknight2k3well
01:35:08arspy87too much?
01:35:09midknight2k3maybe
01:35:21earHertzremember, teh MAS decodes.
01:35:30arspy87right right, that jsut registered
01:35:33earHertzcrossfading requires decoding two streams at once
01:35:43arspy87but what about doing pseudo style?
01:35:57Bluechipnot with mp3 - need to decode 2 streams in the sh-1
01:36:04arspy87switching back and forth really fast as told to me by midk is a possible crossfade method
01:36:17Bluechipnot with mp3
01:36:26arspy87oh not with mp3 i see
01:36:38midknight2k3as: what?
01:36:40arspy87does rockbox decode other formats as well?
01:36:42Bluechipwith PCM/WAV, yes
01:36:45Bluechipno
01:36:49midknight2k3dont bring me into this as a coverup for your idiotic ideas :)
01:36:50Bluechipat lesat not yet
01:37:03arspy87midk remember the crossfade issue, lol
01:37:09midknight2k3i asked
01:37:13midknight2k3i wasnt sure
01:37:14arspy87"bona fide" vs "pseudo" lol
01:37:22midknight2k3that was uksbe
01:37:24midknight2k3not i
01:37:36arspy87yes but you brought up the issue mr 2k3 :)
01:37:42midknight2k3sure
01:37:44arspy87well it was a good thought imo
01:37:51midknight2k3its possible
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01:42:02arspy87are the new archos's supported by rb or planned to be or are they all impossible?
01:42:09midknight2k3no
01:42:11midknight2k3not planned
01:42:12midknight2k3wont happen
01:42:13earHertzthe gmini?
01:42:23earHertzthe multi-medias?
01:42:23arspy87i saw one at circuit city
01:42:23midknight2k3new archos's
01:42:25earHertznope
01:42:30arspy87the daps
01:42:37arspy87all in c++ or something?
01:42:37midknight2k3any new one
01:42:49midknight2k3its not like you can just say "let me program it"
01:42:52midknight2k3lol
01:42:55midknight2k3its hard work
01:43:00arspy87of course
01:43:13midknight2k3i suggest you go to http://rockbox.haxx.se, click "older news items" and read bottom up
01:43:16arspy87ohi noticed thre are different versions for the different players
01:43:24earHertzThey're very different in architechture, and, for the gmini, buisness model
01:43:27arspy87its not all the same, haha ;)
01:43:51arspy87midk: will do
01:45:12arspy87so if rb replaces the whole fw you guys must have written audio decoder as well?
01:45:18arspy87or...
01:45:21arspy87dont lsiten to me
01:45:41midknight2k3yes
01:46:34LinusNarspy87: the mp3 decoding is done by a dedicated chip, not the firmware
01:47:05arspy87ah ok
01:47:10arspy87i thought it would be something like that
01:47:23LinusNthat's the MAS everyone is talking about
01:48:44arspy87brb
01:52:59midknight2k3back in a bit
01:55:28earHertzback in a byte
01:55:37arspy87ha!!
01:55:45midknight2k3tee hee
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01:56:39DJBazhi
01:56:46arspy87hey
01:56:49DJBazhow do i find out if i have a jukebox v2?
01:57:07Bluechipdoes it take aa batteries?
01:57:33DJBazjust nimh
01:57:40Bluechipnot a recorder v1
01:57:40LinusNthen it's a v1
01:57:41midknight2k3back in a bit
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01:57:51Bluechipsorry - my mistake
01:57:51DJBazah kk
01:58:00DJBazi want a v2
01:58:03DJBazlol
01:58:04LinusNv2 looks like an fmr
01:58:05Bluechipread nimh as lion :(
01:58:08DJBazdoes archos sell v2's?
01:58:24DJBazor were there only a few released?
01:58:37earHertzThey no longer show the FMR on their site
01:58:39Bluechipthe v1 is being phased out it would seem
01:58:45earHertzor I couldn't find it
01:59:04earHertzwhere's the V2 shown on their site?
01:59:11DJBazi love my v1
01:59:21DJBazhad it for a few years, lovely :)
01:59:22earHertzV1s are bulky
01:59:29earHertzv2 are balky
01:59:42DJBazyeah there bulky
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01:59:59DJBazleast i cant loose it in my pocket :p
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02:00:07Bluechiphate the thought of irreplacable batteries
02:00:14Bluechiploss of digital io
02:00:16Bluechip:(
02:00:41DJBazBluechip u on about the iPOD?
02:00:49Bluechipno v2 recorder
02:01:15DJBazoh
02:01:34DJBazv2 has no digoto i/o?
02:01:39DJBaz*digital
02:01:49Bluechipone of them is missing - dont recall which
02:01:57earHertzdigital out
02:02:38DJBazah
02:03:16DJBazanyone noticed that the line in on the recorder creates some noise while recording?
02:05:39top_blokeyeah i have
02:06:16DJBazgood, its not just me then
02:06:45top_blokeit was on a mic though
02:06:52top_blokeand it was recodring HD sounds
02:07:25Bluechipwonder if the internal mic is being fully off'ed
02:08:19top_blokemhhm
02:08:22top_blokeyeah
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02:08:41DJBazoff'ed?
02:09:11Bluechipswitched off (me typing lazy)
02:09:21DJBazah heh
02:10:04DJBazit would cost to much to make the mic have a short pickup but that would still pick up the hdd sounds :S
02:10:34Bluechiptake a cold sample of hdd noise and remove after is my best solution
02:10:48top_blokehow do u do that?
02:11:00Bluechiprecord nothing
02:11:13Bluechipthen use the sample as a blueprint
02:11:21top_blokeblueprint?
02:11:27Bluechipand use sonic foundry noise reduction to search the sample and remove it
02:11:32top_blokeok
02:11:44DJBazbut hdd noise differs
02:11:51DJBazlol
02:12:00Bluechipif you want perfection you need to use an external mic
02:12:02DJBazuse an external mic
02:12:13Bluechipuse a high gain
02:12:23Bluechipbalance the feeds
02:12:29Bluechipetc. ;)
02:12:36Bluechipthen record to DAT - LOL
02:12:37DJBazBluechip u a sound engineer?
02:12:40Bluechipindeed
02:12:44DJBaznice!
02:12:49DJBazim currently studdying ;)
02:13:05DJBazin my first year
02:13:28Bluechiplucky bugger - i had to learn the hard way - lol
02:13:32DJBazhehe
02:13:52top_blokei did record off an ext mic and it had noise
02:14:02DJBaztop_bloke mics pick up noise
02:14:13Bluechiphdd noise u mean?
02:14:14top_blokethe mic was like 5 feet away under a pillow
02:14:18top_blokeyeah hd
02:14:20Bluechipahhhhhhhhhh
02:14:23DJBazlol
02:14:28DJBazchange the input option?
02:14:33top_blokei tried everything w it
02:14:35Bluechipnoooo
02:14:51Bluechipyou recorded silence - the hdd noise would have a high db value
02:15:21Bluechipalthough it still should not happen
02:15:28Bluechiphence my comment about the switching
02:15:37Bluechiptake a butchers at the code
02:15:38DJBazBluechip wouldnt that depend on the pickup pattern?
02:15:46DJBazor is it a software thing?
02:15:48Bluechipthere may be a typo or silly mistake
02:16:04Bluechipyou could be getting a noise feed down the cable
02:16:29DJBaztop_bloke get an ADAT :)
02:16:30top_blokeyeah
02:16:38Bluechipif the hdd fluctuates the reference voltage - that might not be nice
02:16:47top_blokei spliced the calbles myself to an 1/8 plug
02:17:02Bluechipbalance the cable
02:17:59DJBazBluechip, do u work for a studio?
02:18:04Bluechipno
02:18:15DJBazoh
02:18:19DJBazwhat sector do you work in?
02:18:21top_blokehow do u balance a cable?
02:18:25top_blokeput it on a scale
02:18:26top_bloke?
02:18:33DJBazrofl
02:18:34Bluechiptwo feeds, one inverted
02:18:34top_bloke<rimshot>
02:18:35earHertzBluechip, an MTV dancer
02:18:43Bluechipdamn -foiled again
02:18:48DJBazhehe
02:18:53top_bloke?
02:19:02top_blokeout of phase?
02:19:23DJBazthis is taken me back to class :|
02:19:24Bluechipyes, then you can invert one and add it to the other to remove the inteference
02:19:25DJBazlol
02:19:39top_blokeok
02:19:52top_blokesince its 2 seperate mics now
02:19:58top_blokeone for each channel
02:20:10top_blokeso u mean put them both on one>?
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02:21:09top_blokeuhhhhh
02:21:15Bluechipsine waves
02:21:26top_blokeok
02:21:28DJBazjust phase out the noise
02:21:37Bluechipthe noise is IN PHASE
02:21:44top_blokebut 2 mics are connected to a mono channel right?
02:21:49DJBazive been trying to do that with my hi fi speakers but cant do it :(
02:21:57Sebulba02Aww, no tan waves? :)
02:21:57Bluechipyes, one mic - one normal feed, one inverted feed
02:22:03DJBazwhy 2 mics on a mono channel?
02:22:03top_blokeok got it
02:22:11top_blokethats what he says to do
02:22:15DJBazkk
02:22:21top_bloketo cancel the noise
02:22:24Bluechipbaz: place a third speaker between the two outs :)
02:22:37Bluechipor is that not what you mean?
02:23:08top_bloke??
02:23:12DJBazBluechip u on about phasing, 180 degres apart so each sine wave cancels each other out so no 'sound' is audible?
02:23:23Bluechipyou really need to do it BEFORE the power amp
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02:23:46Bluechipany op-amp chip will give you an inverted and non-inverted feed
02:24:16DJBazwhat
02:24:28earHertzwhere are the pics of the xclef internals/
02:24:30earHertz?
02:24:33DJBazwait i mean lol
02:24:37top_blokecant u just switch the speaker wire
02:24:41DJBazi am right about phasing?
02:24:45top_blokered to black and vice versa
02:24:55DJBazas in being out of phase?
02:25:05Bluechipyeiurgh - put one speaker out of phase and walk around the room - LOL
02:25:16top_blokewhat happens?
02:25:19DJBaznothing
02:25:21DJBaz;)
02:25:25top_bloke?
02:25:35DJBazu shouldnt hear anything
02:25:35Bluechipthere are loads of really weird dead spots in the room
02:25:43top_blokewow
02:25:50Bluechipthe vocals will keep disappearing and stuff
02:25:58top_blokewill just connecting a speaker backwards work?
02:25:59Bluechiptry it in your car for the full head-fk effect
02:26:10Bluechipyep
02:26:11DJBazi can never get phasing to work in here
02:27:54top_blokeif 2 speakers play the same thing out of phase next to each other, will you hear anything?
02:28:06DJBaznope
02:28:21Bluechipyou must play same thing in both speakers and put your head in the middle
02:28:29top_blokecool
02:28:30BluechipMONO only
02:28:38top_blokeyeah
02:28:50Bluechipalthough, this is how the karaoke function works on the jukebo
02:28:51Bluechipx
02:29:00Bluechipvocals are in mono
02:29:02top_blokewith a stereo signal
02:29:03Bluechip:)
02:29:09DJBazBluechip thats where ive went wrong... ill stick ma head inbetween em 2morow
02:29:21DJBazlol
02:29:23top_blokeso you dont hear whats the same on both channels
02:29:24Bluechiplol
02:29:29Bluechipindeed
02:29:34DJBaznope, neat huh
02:29:44top_blokeyeah
02:29:47DJBazits like 1 + 1 = 0
02:29:54top_blokeuh
02:29:57Bluechipwhan I get the sim working, i will plan to update the rockbox audio features so you can play with all this
02:30:07Bluechipno, 1 + (-1) = 0
02:30:09top_blokeisnt it like 1 + -1 = 0?
02:30:14Bluechipone of the numbers is inverted
02:30:19DJBazwell u knew what i meant
02:30:19DJBaz:P
02:30:20top_blokecaus its the opposite
02:30:22top_blokeyeah
02:30:24Bluechiplol
02:30:37DJBazam only young :P
02:31:06DJBaz*looks at all the gray haired ppl in here*
02:31:07DJBaz;)
02:31:13DJBaz*grey
02:31:25Bluechipgree in scotland
02:31:26earHertzstuff it, junior
02:31:28Bluechiplol
02:31:38Bluechipoh, leave the pet alone ;)
02:31:40top_blokelol
02:31:42Bluechiplol
02:31:47DJBazlol
02:31:52DJBazBluechip how do u know i live in scotland?
02:32:05Bluechipermmmmm
02:32:20earHertzthe smell?
02:32:26DJBazearHertz fu
02:32:33DJBaz:|
02:32:57DJBazBluechip ... :p
02:35:32Bluechipanybody here any cop with makefiles?
02:35:40Bluechipthey send me blind
02:36:10Sebulba02I've done some makefile hacking
02:36:28Bluechipone mo ...just found another candidate
02:37:19DJBazim knackered, gonna go
02:37:20DJBazcya
02:37:30Bluechipnite dude
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02:38:30Bluechipahh, found what I was looking for, but it just blows up now - well at least I am closer to the real problem now - but cheers seb
02:39:03Sebulba02heh
02:39:29Bluechipsods law - like asking where the cheese is n Tesco JUST at the moment you are standing next to it
02:40:07Sebulba02mmm... cheese
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02:41:14midknight2k3hi
02:41:39top_blokeyo
02:42:21Sebulba02sup
02:42:33midknight2k3i feel so important
02:42:51top_blokewell youre not
02:42:54Sebulba02lol
02:42:57Bluechiplol
02:42:57top_blokenah j/k
02:43:01midknight2k3thanks toop
02:43:13midknight2k3sdd
02:43:28Bluechipdoes that stand for something?
02:43:39midknight2k3Stupid Dumb Dumbhead
02:43:46Bluechiplovely!
02:43:47midknight2k3nah, just random chars
02:43:52midknight2k3sdd, asdf, and dfad
02:43:52top_blokelol
02:43:55midknight2k3afe favorites
02:44:14Bluechipguitar going well?
02:44:28midknight2k3?
02:45:34top_blokedid u know the archos can act as a mini guitar amp?
02:45:46Bluechipcool huh :)
02:45:51top_blokeyeah
02:45:53midknight2k3gotta get off irc for a few mins
02:45:53midknight2k3bye
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02:45:57Bluechipor hearing aid?
02:46:02top_blokei've plugged mine in directly into it
02:46:05Bluechipout with the parabolics :)
02:46:09top_blokeand NO noise while recoring
02:46:29Bluechipcould be an earthing issue then
02:46:31top_blokeand good volume too
02:46:54top_blokejust needs some distortion
02:47:05top_blokeand maybe reverb and it would be sweet
02:47:31Bluechipmust get wav codec to work .... new problems have arisen it would seem :(
02:47:53top_blokecan u make a distortion feature for rockbox?
02:48:15Bluechipif we manage to get it processing PCM signals
02:48:23Bluechiplow quality though
02:48:33top_blokeu workin on that?
02:48:47Bluechipwith others
02:48:56top_blokecool
02:49:52Bluechipbut it is seeming more like the "dev kit" (for lck of a better term) we have may be insufficient
02:50:15top_blokeboo
02:50:34Bluechipfeel free to ask around in case you have friends who can help
02:50:49top_blokehiss
02:51:33Bluechipbrb
02:52:44Bluechipk
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04:10:38Sebulba02this is usually around the time where a message is sent from a server admin..
04:11:24midknight2k3yes
04:11:38Sebulba02didn't get one..
04:11:46Bluechipmiserable git - lol
04:11:49midknight2k3me either
04:11:55midknight2k3LOL
04:11:57Sebulba02ah
04:11:59Sebulba02there it is
04:12:33Bluechipthink i blinked
04:12:48Sebulba02?
04:12:55Bluechipwhere it is?
04:13:12Sebulba02(22:11:48) dmwaters: (notice) {global notice} Hi all, we seem to be having some problems with european hubbing. I'm working on the problem right now, and I should have things back to normal in a minute
04:13:21Sebulba02Do you not have wallops enabled?
04:13:31BluechipLOL - sounds rude
04:13:48Bluechipno, im a very basic chat room guy - trillian
04:13:56Sebulba02I'm using gaim :)
04:14:03midknight2k3mirc
04:14:05Sebulba02I still got it
04:14:06midknight2k3usually xchat
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04:14:19arspy87hey
04:14:32Bluechiptrillis not a good IRC client - but it serves my purposes
04:14:45midknight2k3tell that to arspy87
04:14:50midknight2k3he loves trillian
04:14:53midknight2k3with his heart
04:15:12Bluechipi love it anally, but it's irc lacks
04:15:19Bluechip..the features i never use
04:15:27midknight2k3a bit more info then i needed
04:15:39Sebulba02I agree with you for once midknight2k3
04:15:39midknight2k3what features
04:15:48midknight2k3lol
04:15:48Bluechiphad a special "user port" installed jsut for the purpose
04:16:03Bluechipround the back, near the fan (for vibration)
04:16:16midknight2k3er
04:16:33midknight2k3right. anyways...
04:16:34BluechipSandra Dickenson is cute :)
04:17:38Sebulba02ah
04:17:42Sebulba02now it all makes sense
04:17:46Bluechip;)
04:18:00Bluechipthere's them that know, and them that need's to ask - lol
04:18:05Sebulba02no pictures yet though, but I get the context
04:18:32Sebulba02& you misspeleed it :P
04:18:39Bluechipoh yes, whoops
04:18:45BluechipDickInson??
04:18:48midknight2k3yes
04:18:50Sebulba02yeah
04:18:55midknight2k3you misspeleed it bluechip!
04:19:02midknight2k3shame on you
04:19:06Bluechip:(
04:19:16midknight2k3misspeleer
04:19:17CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
04:19:17*Bluechip crawls off under his desk to a hole
04:19:32midknight2k3a hole that's near the fan
04:19:35midknight2k3for vibration
04:19:41Bluechipbrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
04:19:54Bluechipmust change that bag
04:20:18midknight2k3lol
04:20:28midknight2k3lol
04:21:02Bluechipacccount managment on trill irc sucks
04:21:32BluechipWOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOO
04:21:38Sebulba02I stopped using trillian when gaim for win32 became not-too-horribly-unstable
04:21:42midknight2k3bluechip must be tired
04:21:46Bluechipnext sim bug gone :)
04:22:06Sebulba02well, its what.. 3:30am there?
04:22:15Bluechip3:22
04:22:16midknight2k3bluechip: btw, thx for sim fix i hope it gets merged
04:22:20Sebulba02close enough
04:22:34midknight2k37:22 here
04:22:35midknight2k3pm
04:22:43Bluechipi submitted the first patch last night
04:22:51Bluechipwhere r u?
04:22:54Bluechip07:22?
04:23:12midknight2k3nm
04:23:16midknight2k3er
04:23:20*midknight2k3 calculates
04:23:24midknight2k319:22
04:23:25Sebulba02Hes PST
04:23:36BluechipP?
04:23:37midknight2k3Hes is in the room, yes
04:23:49midknight2k3indeed
04:23:52Sebulba02yeah, 3 behind me.. i'm EST
04:24:05midknight2k3SORRY SeBuLBa
04:24:07BluechipEastern and Postulate?
04:24:11Sebulba02Pacific
04:24:16midknight2k3LOL
04:24:16Bluechipahaaaa
04:24:28Sebulba02Pacific-Mountain-Central-Eastern
04:24:53Sebulba02Why it couldn't be Western, is beyond me
04:25:05Bluechipthey need pacifying
04:25:12Bluechip:P
04:25:18Sebulba02heh
04:25:56midknight2k3lol
04:26:00arspy87the people in the pacific like california are so much less crazy and violent than easterners who are always rushing
04:26:02Sebulba02Or maybe MDT, but I really don't want to get into that.
04:26:35BluechipMadeup Dumbass Time (qv. sdd)
04:26:38Sebulba02Damn time changes every 6 months sucks hardcore.
04:26:40Bluechiplol
04:26:47arspy87lmao
04:26:51Sebulba02heh
04:27:08arspy87northeasterners need their own time zone
04:27:23Sebulba02I'm in the SE
04:27:26arspy87i have no idea why though
04:27:32top_blokelol - Madeup Dumbass Time
04:27:37top_blokethats gold
04:27:49midknight2k3uh
04:27:53top_blokeGOLD
04:27:54midknight2k3anyways...
04:28:00arspy87ha
04:28:01arspy87funny
04:28:03arspy87MDT
04:28:04midknight2k3that's bronze
04:28:07midknight2k3not gold
04:28:10top_blokeGOLD
04:28:15midknight2k3BRONZE
04:28:16arspy87i think its platinum
04:28:22midknight2k3BRONZE!!!!!
04:28:26top_blokeis that better than gold?
04:28:29midknight2k3no.
04:28:40top_blokeplatinum that is
04:28:42arspy87platinum
04:28:42Sebulba02Platinum is better than gold
04:28:43arspy87sure it is
04:28:46arspy87like platinum sales
04:28:50top_blokePLATINUM
04:29:05top_blokeits more expensive
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04:29:24arspy87gold is boring and typical
04:29:27arspy87platinum is shiny
04:29:42Sebulba02so is a giant diamond
04:30:01arspy87ok so i think MDT is diamond
04:30:04midknight2k3sdd
04:30:05Sebulba02but thats a stone and you all seem into medals
04:30:06midknight2k3shh*
04:30:13arspy87true.
04:30:16midknight2k3im so used to sdd that i meant to say shh but i said sdd
04:30:16Sebulba02metals*
04:30:28arspy87lol nidk
04:30:31arspy87midk*
04:30:43midknight2k3nOOOOOOOOOO
04:31:12arspy87?
04:31:43Bluechiphmmm - now to get bass & loundness looking better
04:31:45Sebulba02Hes probably just losing it again for the night.
04:31:52midknight2k3SDD
04:34:01arspy87Seb: i'm also losing it, lol
04:34:53midknight2k3sebULBA
04:35:00Sebulba02heh
04:35:05midknight2k3sebulba: did you used to be "seb"?
04:35:10midknight2k3seb|sleep, etc?
04:35:20Sebulba02are you all really that lazy to type a few letters than push tab?
04:35:32Sebulba02Err, don't think so.
04:35:33midknight2k3he doesnt know the tab trick
04:36:03*Sebulba02 can't live witout tab completion.
04:36:07midknight2k3as: try typing the first 2 letters of name and then pushing tab
04:36:13midknight2k3it fills it in
04:36:21midknight2k3if its not the right one push tab again until it is
04:36:37midknight2k3for example: i put the following: as <tab> <enter>
04:36:38Bluechiplol - mk, last time you call me "chip" :P
04:36:41midknight2k3results in
04:36:43midknight2k3as
04:36:44midknight2k3er
04:36:46midknight2k3LOL
04:36:56midknight2k3make that ar<tab><enter>
04:36:58midknight2k3arspy87
04:37:02Bluechipi think it is more personal
04:37:11midknight2k3i like calling you chip
04:37:12*Sebulba02 shrugs
04:37:49BluechipI used to have a close friend who we all called seb(by) - so if I use seb I immediately feel a bond and have a good grounding for positive communication
04:38:16Sebulba02I see.
04:38:30Bluechiplittle psychology trick
04:38:35midknight2k3liol
04:38:56Sebulba02Whatever it takes [tm]
04:39:55Bluechipthin John Lennon beat you to that one ;)
04:40:16Sebulba02heh
04:45:21Bluechipso mk, you got that dev kit going yet?
04:45:26midknight2k3no
04:45:28midknight2k3i hate cygwin
04:45:33Bluechipoffer's still open
04:45:49Sebulba02Nothings a substitute for a good linux environment
04:45:52Bluechipit's not perfect, but it works
04:45:53midknight2k3oh bc?
04:46:22Sebulba02I still think you should add vim :)
04:46:38Bluechiphow big is it?
04:46:44midknight2k3:}
04:46:49Sebulba02beats me
04:46:51Bluechiplol
04:46:56Sebulba02can't be that big
04:46:56LinusN100k or so
04:47:03midknight2k3hrm hrm hrm
04:47:04Bluechiphmmm
04:47:10midknight2k3bc: what is the offer
04:47:13midknight2k3Bluechip that is
04:47:16Bluechipa working dev kit
04:47:23midknight2k3where
04:47:27Bluechipon my hdd
04:47:37Bluechip...until roland and I get it perfect
04:47:45midknight2k3i want to simply wipe out cygwin and reinstall it but it wont let me
04:47:51midknight2k3"access denied" again
04:47:59Bluechipneed his help but i think he must be away
04:48:08Bluechipcan't erase the directory?
04:48:11midknight2k3hes on the mailinglist often
04:48:13midknight2k3right, bc
04:48:16Bluechipis there no uninstall
04:48:21midknight2k3is there a force delete?
04:48:24midknight2k3i dont think so, no
04:48:29Bluechipnot that i know of
04:48:34Sebulba02format <drive> :)
04:48:35midknight2k3cant you do a force delete at the command prompt or something
04:48:37Bluechiplol
04:48:39midknight2k3NO THANKS Seb
04:48:51Bluechipdoes a reboot and then delete dir not work
04:48:55Bluechipdo you need admin privs?
04:48:56Sebulba02deltree
04:49:03Bluechipthat's a thought
04:49:06Sebulba02do you have it, is the question
04:49:08midknight2k3how does it work
04:49:14midknight2k3i used it once before
04:49:15BluechipWITH CARE
04:49:18midknight2k3never wored right
04:49:27midknight2k3i deleted c:\windows with it
04:49:31midknight2k3it was an accident
04:49:33Sebulba02gotta be careful
04:49:33BluechipWITH CARE
04:49:38Bluechiplol
04:49:44midknight2k3how is it used
04:49:51Bluechipi did rm -r * in root once
04:50:00midknight2k3-r?
04:50:01Sebulba02 in / or /root ?
04:50:01Bluechip"anf there was naught"
04:50:02midknight2k3LOL
04:50:12Sebulba02ah, /
04:50:15Bluechiptook THE LOT
04:50:20midknight2k3really
04:50:25midknight2k3what happened
04:50:25Bluechiphonest
04:50:31Sebulba02until you rm 'rm' then you can't 'rm' anymore.
04:50:31Bluechipthought I was in another dir
04:50:46LinusNgotta sleep, nite all!
04:50:48midknight2k3bye
04:50:50Sebulba02'night
04:50:51Bluechipnite linus
04:50:51midknight2k3bye bye
04:50:57 Part LinusN
04:51:08midknight2k3seb
04:51:10midknight2k3bc
04:51:11midknight2k3help
04:51:13midknight2k3how cna i do this
04:51:17midknight2k3i need to delete c cygwin
04:51:22midknight2k3rm? deltree?
04:51:27Bluechipreboot with admin privs will remain my suggestion
04:51:32Sebulba02first of all, are you an admin?
04:51:36Bluechip...unles it fails
04:51:37midknight2k3its ... yes
04:51:51midknight2k3i think its cause its in use it says
04:52:02Sebulba02open up the task manager and kill it
04:52:17midknight2k3kill what exactly?
04:52:22midknight2k3HH
04:52:23Sebulba02cygwin
04:52:24midknight2k3AHH*
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04:52:28Bluechipanything that starts "cyg"
04:52:33midknight2k3bash.exe
04:52:37Sebulba02heh
04:52:39Sebulba02that too
04:52:50midknight2k3er
04:52:52midknight2k3cygpath.exe
04:53:01midknight2k3shut off 3 things
04:53:03midknight2k3now to test
04:53:11midknight2k3IT WORKS
04:53:13midknight2k3thanks guys
04:53:40Bluechipnp
04:54:15top_blokegotta roll
04:54:19Bluechipnitey
04:54:22midknight2k3night toopy
04:54:26top_blokenight
04:54:30top_blokebye
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04:54:37midknight2k3:D
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05:12:44Sebulba02uh, that was more than 10-15 mins :)
05:12:50ILuvitHi guys
05:12:53midknight2k3was ut>
05:12:55Sebulba02'evening
05:13:01midknight2k3just 17
05:13:06midknight2k3watching some core clips
05:13:08midknight2k3hi seb
05:13:52Bluechipwanna use my computer?
05:14:03midknight2k3me
05:14:04midknight2k3yes
05:14:07midknight2k3grr
05:14:12midknight2k3i cant delete "home"
05:14:16midknight2k3any ideas
05:14:47Bluechipits probably a mount point - look in the registry
05:14:56ILuvit i got the FM recorder is there still a problem with charging after flashing?
05:15:10midknight2k3?
05:15:10Bluechip:X
05:15:12midknight2k3bc>
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05:15:16midknight2k3ILuvit: no
05:15:23midknight2k3wanting to flash?
05:15:32Bluechipyou cannot remove cygwin from within bash
05:15:41midknight2k3no
05:15:46midknight2k3just in win explorer
05:16:00Bluechipall cygwin stuff hut down?
05:16:10midknight2k3i think so yes
05:16:46Bluechipand the precise windows error?
05:17:03Sebulba02PEBCAK
05:17:16midknight2k3access is denied, and "cannot delete alarm_menu.c: Make sure the disk is not write-protected or full, and that the source file is not in use."
05:17:25midknight2k3PEBCAK?
05:17:27Bluechipclose your editor
05:17:32midknight2k3not open
05:17:36midknight2k3is, but no files open in it
05:17:42Sebulba02check to make sure everything is closed
05:17:49Bluechipseb: you could be right
05:17:49midknight2k3what is "everything"?
05:17:58Bluechipwhat is open?
05:18:00Bluechipclose it!
05:18:13midknight2k3editor closed
05:18:16StevenmHey guys. Is there a way to boot into the original BIOS (not into Rockbox) by doing something at the startup screen?
05:18:24midknight2k3yes
05:18:26midknight2k3f1+on
05:18:33Stevenmthank you.
05:18:35midknight2k3if you've flashed you mean?
05:18:40Stevenmno, if I have not
05:18:41midknight2k3bc: won't work
05:18:43midknight2k3oh
05:18:46midknight2k3remove ajbrec.ajz
05:18:47midknight2k3is all
05:18:56*midknight2k3 recommends flashing
05:19:02Stevenmmidknight2k3: I have had this problem earlier today:
05:19:13StevenmFor some reason my device started mounting read-only
05:19:20Sebulba02heh
05:19:22midknight2k3odd
05:19:23Stevenmand I could not delete ANYTHING or even create directories
05:19:27Sebulba02been there, done that
05:19:44midknight2k3ill hafta reboot to delete the stuff
05:19:47midknight2k3so i'll brb all
05:19:48StevenmI had to boot into Windows (yyyeeeuuuoooggghh) and have to delete rockbox, and reinstall
05:19:54Sebulba02you didn't unmount it properly
05:20:00midknight2k3back in a sec all
05:20:13StevenmI did, unmounted, powered down both PC and recorder, remounted
05:20:23StevenmI'm on linux by the way, kernel ver 2.6
05:20:41Sebulba02is it as nice as I've heard?
05:20:51StevenmI would guess so
05:20:56StevenmIts... kernellicious
05:21:15Sebulba02man, wish it weren't such a PITA to upgrade this machine
05:21:25Stevenmits so FAST. so nice. so free-of-supposedly-SCO's code
05:21:31Sebulba02heh
05:21:55Stevenmalthough I dont believe a word of it. Besides, Sco took Samba code that was written by Dennis Richie back 20 years ago or something
05:22:13Sebulba02Its all nonsense
05:22:20Stevenmyes
05:22:38StevenmSu.. tell em about flashing. Recommend? No? PITA?How risky?
05:22:49Sebulba02No clue, never done it.
05:22:59Sebulba02There should be docs about it though, I imagine.
05:23:44Bluechipthe risk is as small as possible - machine were lost in the VERY early beta days - but afaik none since all the abisuve error checking was added
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05:24:25Bluechipactually I think one guy said online recently he flashed the wrong code in somehow - thought it was not possible
05:24:26midk2k3back
05:24:28StevenmWhat's the deal with 1 or 2 slots?
05:24:48Bluechipthe flash chip is twice as big as required
05:24:56Bluechipcan have two firmwares if you like
05:25:06Sebulba02heh
05:25:12midk2k3ITS STILL NOT WORKING
05:25:24midk2k3i guess i have to go into safe mode and then as an administrator
05:25:26midk2k3may work
05:25:27Bluechipdoes xp have "safe mode"?
05:25:31midk2k3or just safe mode altogether
05:25:32midk2k3yes
05:25:40midk2k3ill try it. back in a few mins
05:25:46Bluechipyeah - that'll fix it - safe mode admin privs - goodnight PITA dir
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05:36:05midknight2k3no go
05:36:12midknight2k3*stumped*
05:36:57Sebulba02same error?
05:37:03midknight2k3yupxors
05:37:04Bluechipmaybe sysinternals.com have a util?
05:37:09midknight2k3maybe i could reboot to other drive
05:37:13midknight2k3so nothing would be accessing it
05:37:28Sebulba02boot to a floppy
05:37:31Bluechipsafe mode admin privs - cannot erase file -VERY suspect
05:37:33midknight2k3no
05:37:34midknight2k3boot to other drive
05:37:39midknight2k3very very
05:37:44midknight2k3maybe something on startup
05:37:50midknight2k3i could boot to d:\ drive and delete it maybe
05:37:53Bluechipcheck the reg keys
05:38:01midknight2k3where and what
05:38:07Sebulba02shouldn't they be gone?
05:38:07Bluechipif d is bootable, yeah, why not
05:38:22midknight2k3its bootable
05:38:24midknight2k3last attempt
05:38:30midknight2k3ill boot to d:\ - brb
05:38:31Bluechiprun, runonce, etc
05:38:46midknight2k3ill be back for the last time
05:38:53Bluechipapparently cygwin does not have an uninstaler
05:39:19Sebulba02I thought it did.
05:39:24Bluechipmeh
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05:39:33Bluechipjust repeating mk
05:40:05Sebulba02Actually, I'm sure it did. How else did I remove it when I tried it?
05:40:13BluechipPEBCAK?
05:40:20Sebulba02Sounds like it.
05:42:01Sebulba02Maybe he shoulda read this: http://cygwin.com/faq/faq_toc.html#TOC19
05:42:19Sebulba02Apparently no uninstaller, my bad.
05:42:37Bluechiplol - ur thinking of MY cygwin install :D
05:42:46Sebulba02No
05:42:52Sebulba02I tried cygwin a long time ago
05:43:02Bluechipjoking
05:43:04Sebulba02I coulda sworn it had an uninstaller
05:43:07Bluechipbeing smug
05:43:12*Sebulba02 shrugs
05:44:13Sebulba02Probably didn't delete the registry items and its still hanging onto it.
05:44:28Bluechipcgwin does weird stiff like that
05:44:38Sebulba02Not to mention being weird itself.
05:45:23Sebulba02I'll just install debian on every machine I want a real OS on :)
05:46:31Sebulba02Oh no, were at terror alert level orange.. what ever that means.
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05:48:05midknight2k3. .
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05:48:10midknight2k3 .
05:48:12Sebulba02you need help
05:48:16midknight2k3i do
05:48:18midknight2k3it wont delete
05:48:27Bluechipplz remind me how to pipe stderr to the file with stdout :)
05:48:36midknight2k3HELP
05:48:40midknight2k3ITS NOT DELETING
05:48:47Bluechipsysinternals.com
05:48:49Sebulba02read this
05:48:53midknight2k3?
05:48:58Sebulba02http://cygwin.com/faq/faq_toc.html#TOC19
05:49:15Sebulba02How to pipe stderr to a file with stdout?
05:49:40Sebulba02./whatever > file 1>&2
05:49:44Sebulba02I think
05:49:59Bluechipnope :(
05:50:04Sebulba02its backwards
05:50:07Sebulba02switch the 2 & 1
05:50:29Bluechipthanks mate
05:50:34Sebulba02np
05:50:40midknight2k3er
05:50:44midknight2k3deleted the registry keys
05:50:49midknight2k3still cant get c:\cygwin gone
05:51:05Sebulba02how about the rest of it, remove it from your path and all that crap?
05:51:05Bluechiperase what you can and see whats left
05:51:31Sebulba02yeah, be interesting to see what file its hanging onto
05:51:57midknight2k3cant delete: home, rockbox, or usr
05:52:01Sebulba02. midknight2k3 > /dev/null 2>&1
05:52:08midknight2k3?
05:52:17Sebulba02nm
05:52:21midknight2k3what what
05:52:40Sebulba02what files in those dirs can't it delete?
05:52:46midknight2k3anything
05:52:57midknight2k3in home, all my rockbox stuff (starting with apps/alarm_menu.c)
05:53:12Bluechiperase one file at a time
05:53:13midknight2k3usr is working i think
05:53:15midknight2k3wroking = going
05:53:19Sebulba02uh, you killed bash already probably, right?
05:53:20midknight2k3going = going away
05:53:22midknight2k3right
05:53:32Sebulba02guess checking permissions is out of the question
05:54:09midknight2k3ok usr is out of the picture. nada anymore
05:55:02Sebulba02home shouldn't have any issues
05:55:08midknight2k3it dies.
05:55:10midknight2k3does*
05:55:24Sebulba02right click it and check the ownership
05:55:36DBUGEnqueued KICK Bluechip
05:55:36Bluechip01[04:53] <Bluechip> erase one file at a time
05:55:52Sebulba02heh, yeah.. thats what it'll come down to
05:56:03midknight2k3am doing the erase 1 at time
05:56:07Bluechipcut the chase <shrugs>
05:56:27***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
05:56:41Bluechipshould that be "cut TO the chase"?
05:56:47midknight2k3yes.
05:56:49Sebulba02yeah
05:59:35midknight2k3ill try norton utilites
05:59:57Sebulba02cat /dev/random > midknight2k3
06:00
06:00:08midknight2k3WHAT AER YOU TALKING ABOUT!
06:00:30Bluechipcat dog
06:00:42Sebulba02man woman ;)
06:00:47Bluechiplol
06:00:48midknight2k3lol
06:01:14midknight2k3while (dead_horse) { beat(); }
06:01:19BluechipI found (by obvious accident) "lsd" on the office box one day ...just said "wooooww maannn"
06:01:38Sebulba02Damn
06:02:02Bluechipand everybody denied responsibility
06:02:17Sebulba02Of course.
06:02:27midknight2k3man.
06:02:29midknight2k3any other ideas
06:02:38Bluechipwhat files are left?
06:02:40midknight2k3ill just install cygwin and leave whatevers left
06:02:44midknight2k3a bit of "usr"
06:02:47midknight2k3and home and rockbox
06:02:49Sebulba02cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda
06:02:54midknight2k3STOP THAT
06:02:54Bluechipthat is NOT a file
06:03:02midknight2k3sorry sir
06:03:08Sebulba02yeah, what files are left?
06:03:19midknight2k3dunn
06:03:22midknight2k3dunno*
06:03:56midknight2k3I DONT GET THIS1!!! GEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
06:04:10CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
06:04:10*Sebulba02 .oO( ? )
06:04:18midknight2k3asdf
06:04:19midknight2k3sdd
06:04:22midknight2k3dfad
06:04:23midknight2k3asdf
06:04:23midknight2k3asfd
06:04:24DBUGEnqueued KICK midknight2k3
06:04:24midknight2k3asdf
06:04:32Bluechipdd </dev/nul >/dev/hda
06:04:38midknight2k3STOP! THAT!!!!
06:04:43Sebulba02heh
06:04:44midknight2k3GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
06:04:57Bluechip01[05:02] <Bluechip> what files are left?
06:05:04midknight2k3SHUT UP
06:05:11CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
06:05:11*Sebulba02 yawns
06:05:13Bluechiptis done
06:05:17midknight2k3what
06:05:17midknight2k3what
06:05:52midknight2k3v hu /m.ihpou9[p
06:05:57midknight2k3i almost said "ipod"
06:06:21midknight2k3bluechip didnt you make othelo
06:06:33Bluechipuh huh
06:06:41Sebulba02spelled it wrong :P
06:06:49midknight2k3no i didnt
06:06:56Sebulba02othello
06:06:56midknight2k3its not othello like most say
06:06:57midknight2k3its othelo
06:06:58Bluechip2 L's is copyright
06:07:02midknight2k3SEE
06:07:04midknight2k3HA HA
06:07:06Sebulba02Ah
06:07:06midknight2k3lol
06:07:11BluechipO'TH'EE'LOW
06:07:12midknight2k3you made othelo bluechip?
06:07:30midknight2k3was it hard to make bluechip
06:07:41Bluechipnot really
06:07:43Sebulba02i bet the AI was the worst
06:07:44Bluechipthe ai was fun
06:07:49Sebulba02heh
06:08:07midknight2k3but
06:08:16Sebulba02I should get you to do the AI for my pacman.. ;)
06:08:19midknight2k3why does it say CYBORG SYSTEMS ?
06:08:27midknight2k3pacman? WHERE?!
06:08:39Sebulba02My CVSROOT
06:08:44midknight2k3I WANT TO TRY IT
06:08:50Sebulba02good luck
06:09:06Sebulba02In theory it could compile in windows
06:09:12Bluechiptake a best route line - then add random for how good they are - sounds simple - but you may be surprised
06:09:25Bluechipdecide length of travel before turn
06:09:28Sebulba02I doubt it was simple.
06:09:34midknight2k3Bluechip: why does it say cyborg systems?
06:09:48Bluechipdid you rtfm?
06:09:54midknight2k3there is no fm
06:10:00Bluechipoh yes there is
06:10:03midknight2k3i will then
06:10:03Bluechipmatey
06:10:16Bluechipboth in the source code and in the official manual
06:10:17Sebulba02oh, for pacman... yeah, I was told to research the astar algorythm for it. Never got that far
06:10:28BluechipA* is real simple
06:10:29midknight2k3http://rockbox.haxx.se/apps/plugins/othelo.txt
06:10:45Bluechipit's the one used by phone exchanges
06:10:55Sebulba02really?
06:10:58midknight2k3Greetz
06:10:58midknight2k3======
06:10:58midknight2k3mk, pajaco, DevZer0, jzoss, LinusN, Zagor, Cyborg, Lord Grumble
06:10:58midknight2k3Author
06:10:59Bluechipbut ovre the top for pacman - some uni bod musta said that
06:11:03midknight2k3is that it
06:11:09Sebulba02Maybe I'll be able to pick some of this up in my robotics class next semester
06:11:16midknight2k3bluechip
06:11:20Sebulba02yeah
06:11:26midknight2k3mk, pajaco, DevZer0, jzoss, LinusN, Zagor, Cyborg, Lord Grumble
06:11:31midknight2k3that cyborg?
06:11:35Bluechippacman ghosts could be done VERY simply and with great effect
06:11:47midknight2k3fine bluechip
06:11:49midknight2k3ignore me
06:12:00Bluechipmake s a change for it to be this way round
06:12:07Sebulba02Mine are pretty simple.
06:12:40midknight2k3ooh under greets is "mk" referring to me?
06:12:50Bluechipsadly not :(
06:12:56midknight2k3AWW
06:16:02midknight2k3GRRRR
06:16:09midknight2k3"setup.exe" is causing an error
06:16:14midknight2k3WHAT ELSE COULD GO WRONG
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06:17:05*midknight2k3 simply plugs in typical SDK
06:18:31midknight2k3YAY
06:18:35midknight2k3its running bash now
06:18:36Bluechiptelling those helping you to shut up in bold caps?
06:18:47midknight2k3sorry
06:18:50midknight2k3NOO
06:18:52midknight2k3DAMMIT!
06:18:57midknight2k3oh wait
06:19:05midknight2k3its a LINKAGE ERROR
06:19:05midknight2k3YAY
06:19:11midknight2k3not a STDIN ERROR
06:20:20midknight2k3OHH
06:20:25midknight2k3it got to ajbrec.ajz part
06:20:29midknight2k3and gave an error:
06:20:49midknight2k3_fopen64 could not be located in ... cygwin1.dll
06:21:39Sebulba02Ouch
06:21:49midknight2k3grr
06:21:58midknight2k3ideas?
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06:22:00midknight2k3comments?
06:22:02 Nick ]MpC[Masskiller is now known as Masskiller (RIAA@bgp01039051bgs.southg01.mi.comcast.net)
06:22:02midknight2k3suggestions?
06:22:04midknight2k3ANYTHING
06:22:04Masskilleryes
06:22:09midknight2k3RUN! ITS MASSKILLER!
06:22:10Masskilleri suggest you make it better
06:22:14Masskillerwhat are you talking about
06:22:18midknight2k3lol
06:22:20BluechipBAD CYGWIN INSTALL
06:22:23Masskilleroh
06:22:33midknight2k3you tell 'em, bluechip
06:22:56midknight2k3nm its installing
06:22:57midknight2k3YAY
06:23:30Bluechiperase all cygwin , install my dev kit - lol
06:23:30Bluechiptoo simple!
06:23:38Sebulba02heh
06:23:54midknight2k3GRR
06:23:57midknight2k3its not working yet
06:23:58midknight2k3wait
06:24:35 Quit ILuvit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
06:25:42midknight2k3RUN! ITS MASSKILLER!
06:25:47Masskiller.....lol
06:25:51*Masskiller runs
06:26:10Sebulba02sup Masskiller?
06:26:22midknight2k3lol
06:28:14Sebulba02Beat Date : 2003-12-22 269.444
06:28:32Bluechipzzzzzzzzzz
06:28:41Sebulba02its getting there
06:28:45midknight2k3lol
06:29:03midknight2k3while (dead_horse) { beat(); }
06:29:20Sebulba02while(1) { fork(); }
06:33:00Sebulba02theres a good way to test my wireless card, run an opengl screensaver over vnc
06:33:32midknight2k3asdf
06:34:47Sebulba02foreach my $person (@room) { print $person; }
06:35:04Sebulba02I should just goto sleep now
06:35:08Bluechiplol
06:35:13Bluechip^D
06:35:15midknight2k3s
06:35:29Sebulba02unset(midknight2k3);
06:35:36midknight2k3GRR
06:35:37midknight2k3s
06:35:38midknight2k3da
06:35:38midknight2k3sfdad
06:35:38midknight2k3fdfds
06:35:38***Alert Mode level 1
06:35:38midknight2k3fds
06:35:39***Alert Mode level 2
06:35:39midknight2k3fds
06:35:42Sebulba02oops, forgot the $
06:35:42midknight2k3ddd
06:35:43midknight2k3dd
06:35:53Bluechiplol
06:39:59Sebulba02dd if=/dev/random of=midknight2k3 seek=500 size=1M
06:40:07Sebulba02;)
06:40:18midknight2k3lol
06:40:25Bluechip1M that should be sufficient
06:40:43midknight2k3I NEED HELP
06:40:45midknight2k3STUPID STUFF
06:40:50Sebulba02Could be 1G?
06:41:23midknight2k3grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
06:41:24Sebulba02Still not removing, eh? Have you deleted all files you could?
06:41:36midknight2k3ITS NOT WORKING
06:41:38midknight2k3WAAAAAAAAAAAA
06:41:47midknight2k3this is frustrating as hell
06:41:56Bluechipur telling me?
06:42:00midknight2k3i've been at this over an hour
06:42:02Sebulba02heh
06:42:05midknight2k3i've gone nowhere
06:42:05Sebulba02pff
06:42:18midknight2k3or is that two hours
06:42:22Bluechipshould learn to take the advice you ask for
06:42:30Sebulba02I spent 3 solid days installing linux on my laptop, that was fustrating as hell
06:42:37midknight2k3bluechip: WELL?
06:42:54Bluechip04:50 ..... which files are left?
06:43:09Sebulba02the $1M question
06:43:20midknight2k3and i told you and you go off on "those ARENT FILES!"
06:43:31Bluechipeasy seb, i only asked five times - not a million - lol
06:43:41Sebulba02fine fine, fair enough
06:43:46midknight2k3i repeat, the folders: home, rockbox, usr
06:43:56Sebulba02but what files in them are left?
06:44:00Bluechipfolders are NOT files
06:44:07Bluechipthey are ....
06:44:09Sebulba02heh
06:44:12BluechipFOLDERS - tahaaaaaaa
06:45:11midknight2k3NOO
06:45:17midknight2k3i did rm -r c:\cygwin
06:45:21midknight2k3and it deleted cygwin.bat
06:45:26midknight2k3so i cant rm anymore
06:45:28midknight2k3WTF
06:45:36Bluechipyou
06:45:38Bluechipcannot
06:45:40***Alert Mode OFF
06:45:42Bluechiperase
06:45:45Bluechipcygwin
06:45:48Bluechipwithin
06:45:52midknight2k3i sorta noticed.
06:45:53Bluechipbash
06:46:08midknight2k3GRR WHY CANT IT JUST WORK
06:46:40Bluechipthink your mind is on being angry rather than 01[05:42] <Bluechip> 04:50 ..... which files are 01left?
06:46:51midknight2k3YOU AsKED ME THAT
06:47:08Bluechipahhaaa, you should find a good answer then :)
06:47:28BluechipIF you think you can?
06:47:30Sebulba02ahh
06:47:47Sebulba02rmdir /s C:\cygwin\
06:47:55Bluechipstoppit
06:47:56Bluechiplol
06:48:09midknight2k3am i sure?
06:48:16midknight2k3(Y/N)
06:48:23Sebulba02Do you feel... *LUCKY*?
06:48:28midknight2k3should i
06:48:29Bluechiprmdir /s ....you serious?
06:48:31Bluechipcool
06:48:35Bluechipthat's a new one
06:48:36Sebulba02= deltree
06:48:36midknight2k3what
06:48:38midknight2k3should i
06:48:42Sebulba02for winxp
06:48:43midknight2k3are you sure
06:48:52midknight2k3shall i?
06:48:54Sebulba02I'm not sure of anything with windows
06:49:00Sebulba02your box :)
06:49:05midknight2k3will it do just c:\cygwin or the whole disk?
06:49:18Bluechipyes
06:49:18midknight2k3i can tell. itll messup and delete everything
06:49:21Sebulba02C:\cygwin, supposedly, but you know m$
06:49:53Bluechipmk, for the record I no longer care not want to know about the files :)
06:50:01midknight2k3C:\cygwin>rmdir /s c:\cygwin
06:50:01midknight2k3c:\cygwin, Are you sure (Y/N)?
06:50:03Bluechipnot->nor
06:50:09midknight2k3are you sure bc?
06:50:27Bluechipyeah, thanks :)
06:50:33midknight2k3LOL
06:50:36midknight2k3a whole buncha stuff
06:50:41Sebulba02heh
06:50:43midknight2k3eveerything is "access is denied"
06:51:03Sebulba02eh, so much for the power (or lack of) DOS. If it ever really had any.
06:51:21Bluechipslap Sebulba02
06:51:21Sebulba02i bet the permissions are just messed up
06:51:23midknight2k3bc: anymore ideas before?
06:51:28*midknight2k3 slaps Sebulba02 around a bit with a large trout
06:51:32Bluechipnot for me thanks
06:52:21Sebulba02you can change permissions in winxp, can't you?
06:52:33midknight2k3i dunno
06:52:35midknight2k3FORGET IT
06:52:39midknight2k3its not about to work
06:52:44Bluechipsuch a polite man
06:52:54Sebulba02then again, as admin it shouldn't matter
06:52:58midknight2k3right
06:53:02midknight2k3never mind thanks all anyways
06:53:17Sebulba02eh, boot off a knoppix disc, mount the drive and delete it :)
06:53:29midknight2k3OOOOH
06:53:31midknight2k3thats a great idea
06:53:34midknight2k3i have knoppix right here
06:53:38Sebulba02assming you can write to NTFS
06:53:39Bluechipsysinternals do a nice CTFS disk
06:53:44BluechipNTFS
06:54:10Sebulba02I never played with those
06:54:21midknight2k3i have knoppix
06:54:25midknight2k3but how can i do it
06:55:07Sebulba02well, you need ntfs write, which is only supported in kernel 2.4.2[2|3], I think.
06:55:14Sebulba02and probably 2.6
06:55:21midknight2k3er
06:55:44midknight2k3i changed my mind
06:55:47midknight2k3forget it. :D
06:55:51Sebulba02even then, i think its still EXPERIMENTAL and USE AT YOU OWN RISK type deal.
06:55:53midknight2k3is there a way to JUST BUILD PLUGINS?
06:56:07Sebulba02make plugins?
06:56:16midknight2k3what
06:56:20midknight2k3you can do "make plugins?
06:56:21Sebulba02or maybe `make rocks`
06:56:48midknight2k3IF THAT WORKS....
06:57:03Sebulba02function me() throws rocks { while (1) { } }
06:57:23midknight2k3lol
06:57:33midknight2k3while (dead_horse) { beat(); }
06:57:42Bluechiplol
06:57:46Sebulba02I've come up with far better than that :)
06:57:56midknight2k3i like it.
06:58:11Bluechipwhile(angry)
06:58:34midknight2k3while (sebulba02_stupid) { printf("It's always like this..."\n); }
06:58:43Sebulba02while (angry) { beat(midknight2k3); }
06:58:50midknight2k3hey!
06:59:07Sebulba02and your syntax is wrong, the \n has to be inside the quites
06:59:12Sebulba02quotes*
06:59:15midknight2k3oh yeah
06:59:20midknight2k3i feel dumb
06:59:28midknight2k3i hate feeling dumb when i'm not
06:59:41Bluechiplol
06:59:41Sebulba02stuff happens
07:00
07:00:00Sebulba02Is that better or worse than feeling smart when your not?
07:00:00Bluechipmk: so dont do it!?
07:00:07midknight2k3SDD YOU DFADS! ASDF AHEAD!
07:00:18Bluechipi'd rather be an optimist and wrong than a pesemist and right
07:00:28midknight2k3I SDD: ASDF AHEAD!
07:00:32midknight2k3ADSF ASDF
07:00:39midknight2k3LO
07:00:42midknight2k3lol
07:00:45midknight2k3Bluechip
07:00:49midknight2k3sdedd
07:00:55Sebulba02I'm a big pesemist, so I have a hard time with that one.
07:01:07midknight2k3pesemist?
07:01:30midknight2k3you people are bad sdd
07:01:39midknight2k3sdd = spelling dur dur
07:01:41midknight2k3s
07:01:51Sebulba02wow, that was butchered
07:01:57Sebulba02pessimist
07:02:03midknight2k3yes it was
07:02:17midknight2k3you even got time to go look it up
07:02:18midknight2k3lucky you
07:02:35Sebulba02then again, its 1a here and 6a for him, so I don't think we can be to blame.
07:04:09midknight2k3trying to make rb
07:04:22midknight2k3LOL @ mozilla error
07:04:28Sebulba02mozilla?
07:04:55midknight2k3"<file> could not be opened, because an unknown error occurred. Sorry about that. Try saving to disk first."
07:05:05Sebulba02heh
07:05:11Sebulba02I've had that before.
07:05:25midknight2k3lol
07:05:43Sebulba02Ideally I'd put, "Something got really f*cked up here & its not my fault, save to disk first"
07:05:55midknight2k3LOL
07:06:05midknight2k3Sebulba02: let me give you a tip
07:06:06 Quit hardeep ("BitchX: double your pleasure, double your fun!")
07:06:10midknight2k3never become a programmer
07:06:16Sebulba02too late
07:06:26midknight2k3OH NO
07:07:10midknight2k3man
07:07:12midknight2k3my tools
07:07:17midknight2k3OH in the recycle bin
07:08:02Sebulba02mv "recycle bin" /bit/bucket
07:08:20midknight2k3a bit dirty they are sure to be
07:08:23midknight2k3but they may work yet
07:08:29Sebulba02NOP
07:08:42midknight2k3EAT ME!
07:08:49*Sebulba02 throws some NOPs at Bluechip.
07:09:01midknight2k3why is it trying to MAKE the tools
07:09:15Sebulba02because you have to build them before you can use them
07:09:25midknight2k3they are already there compiled
07:09:40midknight2k3I KNOW WHATS MISSING
07:09:43midknight2k3its a tool missing
07:09:45Sebulba02if it thought that, then it wouldn't be building them
07:10:55midknight2k3its working
07:10:56midknight2k3yay
07:12:05midknight2k3if (Sebulba02_stupid) { printf("Ha ha, you're stupid like always\n"); } else { printf("You'll NEVER see this message. EVER.\n"); }
07:12:57Sebulba02Lets see what language I can use now.
07:13:31Bluechiphere come the regexs
07:13:44Sebulba02hehe, too early for that, good thought though
07:14:15Sebulba02I was trying to digup some asm.
07:14:16midknight2k3ITS MAKING THE PLUGINS
07:14:17midknight2k3YESS
07:14:21midknight2k3can you FEEL THAT
07:14:23midknight2k3it COMPILED
07:14:28midknight2k3GRR YEAH
07:14:30midknight2k3MM HMM
07:14:35midknight2k3TASTE THIS, CYGWIN!!
07:14:40midknight2k3er...
07:14:45midknight2k3continue, as you were.
07:15:01Sebulba02dang, I coulda had it compiled twice by now
07:15:19midknight2k3i said nothing
07:15:26midknight2k3move along, folks, move along!
07:17:24Sebulba02eregi_replace("midknight2k3", null, $world);
07:17:42Sebulba02Simple, but sweet
07:17:49midknight2k3just_make_this_work_please(SHUT SEBULBA UP NOW!);
07:19:49Sebulba02SELECT name FROM world WHERE clue=1;
07:19:49Sebulba02empty set (0.00 sec)
07:19:59midknight2k3shut up
07:20:01midknight2k3if my code works
07:20:59Sebulba02still compiling or debugging?
07:21:15midknight2k3compiled
07:21:15midknight2k3fully
07:21:18midknight2k3THK GOD
07:21:49midknight2k3LMAO
07:22:01midknight2k3the clock.. its like .. a dot!
07:22:36Sebulba02gdb core `which midknight2k3`
07:22:50midknight2k3SSHHH
07:23:54Bluechipmore finger midknight2k3
07:24:14midknight2k3sdf
07:24:18Sebulba02sleep();
07:24:26Bluechipwake()
07:24:40Sebulba02kill();
07:24:53Bluechip-9
07:25:02Sebulba02nah, create() :)
07:25:17Bluechipgoing for the full kill -9 effect
07:25:47Sebulba02kill -9 `ps aux | grep midknight2k3 | awk {'print $1'}`
07:25:53Bluechipfork(off?yes:no);
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07:26:22Sebulba02heh
07:28:14Sebulba02sem_wait(&me);
07:30:54Sebulba02while(!awake) { sleep(); }
07:31:00Bluechiplol
07:31:33Bluechipfor(;!awake;sleep());
07:31:39midknight2k3gotta go, bye all
07:31:42midknight2k3thanks for help
07:31:44Bluechiplazy coders of the world unite
07:31:47Sebulba02np
07:31:49Bluechipnite dude
07:31:53Sebulba02heh
07:31:54midknight2k3nite
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07:32:18Bluechipgot the masf functions back in the sim :)
07:32:32Sebulba02cool
07:32:35Masskillerits so funny
07:32:43Masskillerwhen you have conversations in code
07:32:43Masskillerlol
07:32:49Bluechipjust have to work out the little makefile bodge a bit more carefully
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07:33:24Sebulba02hmm
07:34:22Bluechipneed to pass -DARCHOS_RECORDER to the win32 makefile and NOT embed it in there!
07:35:01Sebulba02make it a part of configure?
07:35:14Bluechipthink so, yes
07:36:14Sebulba02cd me/; ./configure −−with-bed=/dev/here;
07:36:42Sebulba02nice having a laptop
07:37:29Bluechipfor(bc==tired; !alarm; sleep());
07:38:07Bluechipnite all
07:38:08Sebulba02for(bc==tired; alarm; sleep()) { smash(alarm); sleep(); }
07:38:16Bluechiplol
07:38:23Sebulba02or maybe throw()
07:38:46Bluechipno, cos if you throw it you wont go back to sleep!
07:38:51Sebulba02yeah, its bed time.
07:38:56Sebulba02true
07:39:05Bluechipunlike me
07:39:07BluechipNOW
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11:48:21kurzhaarrockerWhere's the code for fading? I assumed it would be somewhere in mpeg.h but can't find it.
11:51:14kurzhaarrockerAh, found it in wps.c Stupid me.
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12:38:09citrix7hello all
12:38:27webmindoi
12:38:37citrix7i have a few questions, can anyone help me out a bit?
12:40:12webmindask and see
12:40:36citrix7k. well, i have not upgraded my recorder 15 yet (just got it) anywa...
12:40:45citrix7my question is more about the unit.
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12:41:05citrix7i got it on a trade from this guy, and the batteries were totally dead......
12:41:26citrix7so i have been charging them for about 1.5 hours and the site says i can turn on the unit now
12:41:37citrix7but it does not turn on, only yhe charge screen
12:41:56citrix7is this normal, or do i just need a long charge?
12:42:09Hadakathe batteries might be really dead - as in, not holding charge at all really - so you'd have to get new batteries
12:42:31Hadaka1.5h should be plenty for any normal batteries to charge enough to power up the unit
12:43:01webmindcitrix7, how lonjg have you pressed the 'on' button ?
12:43:11citrix7hmm..ok. i live in israel at the moment, and those are expensive here, so i wanted to make sure before i bought.
12:43:17Hadakaoh, right
12:43:23Hadakaif you don't disconnect it from the power
12:43:30Hadakayou need to hold down the 'on' button until it boots totally
12:43:33citrix7i got the unit to work using some of my friends rechargeable batts
12:44:25citrix7well, i did get the unit for $50, so i guess new batts are ok.
12:44:54Hadakahow much are the batts over there?
12:45:06citrix7not sure, but everything is expensive here. a real rip off
12:45:15Hadakanods
12:45:48HadakaI can get four for... something like 25 euros, probably cheaper if trying to find the right place to buy
12:46:11citrix7oh.....and BTW - i am using a diff power supply. a universal for 9 volts.
12:46:20Hadakathat should be fine
12:46:43citrix7but the package says 9v 50 0Ma
12:46:43Hadakaunless it's a very low power version
12:46:51citrix7500ma
12:47:23citrix7it says "charging" but now im not sure.
12:47:25webmind500ma sounds a bit low...
12:47:27Hadakahmmh, that's on the low end I think
12:47:35webmindi know my hd takes 1a
12:47:40Hadakaso it might take longer to charge
12:47:50Hadakawebmind: the charger can't power the hd alone anyway
12:47:56webmindHadaka, uhuh
12:48:01citrix7ah... so this could be the problem
12:48:10citrix7not enough power in the charger
12:48:21Hadakawell, I believe it should charge still
12:48:25Hadakaalbeit slower
12:48:41citrix7ok, i eill let it go for the night and see after that.
12:48:44Hadakaexcept if the batteries are really dead, and it can't provide the initial current to "wake" the cells again
12:48:49Hadakabut that's bad batteries already again
12:48:54citrix7hmm. ok
12:49:43citrix7another thing.....i was kinda in the market for a ipod or something, until i happen to get offered this unit. am i missing alot by having an older unit like this instead of a new ipod or zen?
12:49:55citrix7cuz i think the recorder 15 is older right?
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14:26:23kurzhaarrockerHas the internationalization for plugins been kicked out?
14:26:36^^neo^^hey hi
14:26:43kurzhaarrockerhi
14:27:02^^neo^^du hast doch deinen archos auch schon aueinander genommen oder ?
14:27:48^^neo^^http://rockbox.haxx.se/mods/disassemble2.html weil so wie das da steht will das nich ganz funktionieren oder is das beim recorder anderst?
14:28:20kurzhaarrockerDas ist meiner von innen: http://rockbox.haxx.se/internals/recorder.html
14:28:43webmindenglish!
14:29:08kurzhaarrockeroh, sorry.
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16:59:00^^neo^^somone here could help?
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17:05:28woddschConcerning what?
17:06:11^^neo^^My Hdd gets no power from the archos
17:06:35woddschAnd it has worked before?
17:06:51^^neo^^yes and the hdd stil works un my computer
17:07:33woddschYou mean when you disassemble the device and plug the HDD into your computer or via USB?
17:07:57^^neo^^I have dissasambled the archos because I wanted to look why my DC was sitting wrong
17:08:34^^neo^^in the computer
17:08:34woddschDoes it work when you've plugged in the charger?
17:08:39^^neo^^no
17:08:55^^neo^^I hear no sound
17:09:17woddschDoes it even start up?
17:09:19^^neo^^and while trying to boot I get an error like "HDD register error"
17:09:41^^neo^^but it doesnt make any sound
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17:10:54^^neo^^any idea?
17:11:02woddschDo you use the HDD delivered by the manufactor?
17:11:16^^neo^^yes hitach 20gb
17:12:34woddschsorry no idea... you ought to have a look at the mailinglist history..
17:12:53woddschperhaps someone has reported the same error..
17:12:53^^neo^^hmm
17:13:20^^neo^^is there a search option?
17:13:52woddschYou may use the search option on the left for the whole site...
17:15:04^^neo^^it kicks me to google
17:15:35woddschWhat's wrong with that? Google is an excellent search engine.. all results point to the rockbox homepage..
17:16:01woddschWhat happens if you start the Archos Firmware?
17:16:28^^neo^^I have found one
17:16:33^^neo^^http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-07/0296.shtml
17:18:33woddschZagor once recommended to fully charge the batteries in such a case.
17:19:23^^neo^^yes I had this problem one but even there the hdd made a sound
17:19:38woddschAnyway you ought to ask one of the rockbox developers... sorry but I have to leave now.. cu
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18:22:28diddystar5yepyepyep
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18:44:40diddystar5hey Bluechip
18:44:47Bluechipyo
18:44:49diddystar5hows winamp 5?
18:45:17Bluechipstill not played yet - been working on rockBox - nice icon though ;)
18:45:27diddystar5lol
18:45:29diddystar5yeah
18:45:39Bluechipyour work?
18:45:48diddystar5im making a very good version of rockbox
18:45:53diddystar5no
18:46:11diddystar5this verison of rockbox is gona be pimped out! :)
18:47:46diddystar5if it turns out well, i might even release it on the mail list to see what people think
18:47:49Bluechipis it a secret or are you sharing yur cool ideas?
18:48:02diddystar5ohh, its a secret
18:48:05diddystar5not really
18:48:26diddystar5i just gonnaadd some patches, and some othere stuff that i thought would e cool
18:48:44Bluechipgreat
18:49:06Bluechipglad we're not doubling up on work :)
18:49:24diddystar5i have made some versions like this a long time ago, but i never released any of them
18:50:18Bluechipshame
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18:52:05anzhi all
18:52:18diddystar5hi
18:52:30GODyo anz
18:52:40anzI have a little question ...
18:52:42diddystar5Bluechip: why not port the x11 sim to win32, that way it wouldbe nice and much less bugy!
18:53:14anzI would like to know if it is possible to do a MPC plugin for Jukebox ?
18:53:23diddystar5MPC?
18:53:32anzyes it's an audio format
18:53:34anzlike MP3
18:53:35GODlol i have an av300 so i dunno about the jbmm
18:53:48Bluechipdiddy: what bugs are in the win32 sim?
18:54:07Bluechipanz: maybe in the future, but certainly not at the moment :(
18:54:41anzBluechip> I'm a developper, I just want to know if it's possible
18:54:51diddystar5Bluechip: like when i have the sim open, and i open something else over it, it crashes
18:55:20Bluechipwhat does "crash" mean?
18:55:20diddystar5anz: it may be possible, but would be difficult
18:55:54diddystar5Bluechip: well like the screen turns off, the archos pic goes away, etc, i have to restart it to get it back
18:56:09diddystar5Bluechip: i could make a screenshot of it
18:56:17BluechipI know it ... its a redisplay error .
18:56:37Bluechipto refresh the BMP drag it off the bottom of the screen and back on again
18:56:51Bluechipto refresh the GUI press any key
18:57:09Bluechipneed someone who understands the windows message pump to help fix that
18:57:24diddystar5ohh your new display fix helps it!
18:57:39Bluechipyes, you can tell the time if it starts with a "1" now :)
18:58:00Bluechipjust finished the recorder updates, but have broken the player in the process
18:58:27Bluechipyou can now get use all the recorder specific screens :)
18:58:28anzIt would be great the plugins for ogg, mp3pro and mpc ...
18:58:54Bluechipanz: read last nights log for more info on codec (especially ogg) support :)
18:59:00anzthx
18:59:28Bluechipwe fist need to suss WAV support - start small :)
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19:00:34anzyes we could
19:00:47Bluechipgot a better idea ?:)
19:01:18anzbegin with .Wav it's a good idea
19:01:26^^neo^^hey I have disassembled my Archos because I wanted to glue my DC-in, now my HD gets no more power from the Archos, what did I do wrong?
19:01:28Bluechipgot any DSP experience
19:02:02Bluechipneo: check the voltage lines to the hdd with a multimeter
19:02:09Bluechipneo: check the hdd in a computer
19:02:24^^neo^^it worked in my computer
19:02:29^^neo^^must be the archos
19:02:29anzI think I ought to write a MPCtoMp3 converter :-)
19:02:49Bluechipokay - check 1 [X] :) ...now check the voltage lines are sound
19:03:13Bluechip....does the drive spin AT ALL???
19:03:18^^neo^^nothing
19:03:24Bluechippower supply
19:03:35^^neo^^charger is plugged in
19:03:44Bluechipruns off batteries
19:03:51Bluechiprecorder v1 yes?
19:04:07^^neo^^v1 ?
19:04:17BluechipAA batteries
19:04:20^^neo^^yes
19:04:28Bluechipit always runs off batteries
19:04:44^^neo^^I dont have batteries inside atm
19:04:52^^neo^^only the charger
19:04:52Bluechipthat'll be your problem :)
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19:04:56^^neo^^no no
19:05:23ILuvithi guys
19:05:23^^neo^^when I put my batteries inside my archos doesent turn on
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19:05:35Bluechiphi luv
19:05:52Bluechipare the batteries charger?
19:05:56Bluechiped
19:06:21^^neo^^yes but external
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19:06:56Bluechipno matter how - charged is good
19:07:04^^neo^^yes
19:07:07Bluechipcan you check the charge with a mm
19:07:11Bluechip?
19:07:13^^neo^^but the problem is in my archso
19:07:19^^neo^^the batteries are ok
19:07:24^^neo^^walkman works
19:07:46anzbye all
19:07:47^^neo^^maybe something is broken in my archos
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19:07:53Bluechipokay - so with batteries IN *and* connected to charger - unit powers up but hdd does not spin??
19:08:12^^neo^^yes
19:08:28Bluechipstops at blob 3 or 4 on boot screen??
19:08:32^^neo^^and then while trying to boot I get a HD register error
19:08:37^^neo^^yes
19:08:40^^neo^^3.
19:08:57Bluechiparchos or rockbox ROM firmware?
19:09:04BluechipIe. "flashed?"
19:09:08^^neo^^rockbox
19:09:11^^neo^^hmm?
19:09:26^^neo^^original 0.28
19:09:30^^neo^^but I use rockbox
19:09:41Bluechipdid you flash the ROM chip ?
19:09:44^^neo^^no
19:09:46Bluechipok
19:09:52ILuviti have the FM Recorder and i flashed it, whem i plug it in to charg even after 6 hrs the battery indicator still blink like it is charging, is this a problem?
19:10:05^^neo^^this is my code
19:10:06^^neo^^> SC1 (85) 227
19:10:06^^neo^^> SN1 (170) 0
19:10:06DBUGEnqueued KICK ^^neo^^
19:10:06^^neo^^> SC2 (170) 18
19:10:06^^neo^^> SN2 (85) 211
19:10:19Bluechiphdd not spinning is FAR more relevant :)
19:10:31Bluechipyour hdd is not getting any power
19:10:38^^neo^^from the archos right
19:10:43Bluechipthis will be a dodgy connection of some kind
19:10:44Bluechipyes
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19:11:32Bluechipluv: sorry, don't know - this charging algorithm stuff leaves me cold :(
19:12:11ILuvitthanks Blu
19:12:58Bluechipneo: do you have a multi-meter or volt-memter?
19:13:14^^neo^^no sorry
19:13:30Bluechiphmmmmm, got a spare fiver?
19:13:40^^neo^^huuh whats that?
19:13:48^^neo^^sry not english
19:13:48Bluechipsorry - uk slang for 5
19:13:56^^neo^^5 ?
19:14:08^^neo^^hm maybe a friend has got one
19:14:17BluechipE1.6 -> 1
19:14:41Bluechip(must get euro symbol and umlauts on keyboard)
19:15:02Bluechipany hobby electronics guy or electrician will have one
19:15:08^^neo^^are you german?
19:15:12Bluechipuk
19:15:27Bluechiplots of german friends
19:15:28^^neo^^hm the word umlaut is german :)
19:16:03Bluechiplittle dots over the vowels to modify the sound to have a rounded "ee" ending
19:16:15Bluechipmuch like the irish fada
19:16:29^^neo^^ ?
19:16:46^^neo^^hmmm
19:17:52^^neo^^no matter
19:18:10^^neo^^what can I do without this Vol-emeter?
19:18:31Bluechiphmmmm
19:19:14^^neo^^or what did I do wrong by disassembling the Achos?
19:19:33Bluechipyou could lash together a 6v light bult with kitchen baggie ties and be careful
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19:20:15Bluechipbut you will likely need some accurate numbers
19:20:20^^neo^^I have a screwdriver with integrated light
19:20:28Doggerhi does anyone know much about i2c interface etc? any docs on it?
19:20:50Bluechipdog: tonnes all over the net :) it's no secret :)
19:21:26Bluechipthere is an i2c driver in the rockbox code !
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19:21:35Doggerok, will take a look further
19:21:45Bluechipask again if you get stuck :)
19:22:23Bluechipdogg: http://www.ping.be/~ping0751/i2c2.htm
19:23:17DoggerI am writing an emulator for the i2c on jbmm/av100/av300 see
19:23:28DoggerI have identified the addresses etc,
19:23:38Doggerbut have no idea what its expecting back from i2c
19:23:41Doggereg ack etc
19:23:46Bluechipshould be pretty simple ...it's just a serial interface with a standardised format :)
19:24:09Doggercool
19:24:17Doggerwhy is it bit based tho
19:24:22Doggerisnt that pretty slow?
19:25:40Bluechipyou can bash 1 bit data at higer speeds than parallel data nowdays - but in these appliances it is more about cheap motherboards and why develop a high speed board to pass around low speed data?
19:25:55Doggersure ok,
19:26:04Doggerthe other thing I need to emulate is the ATA
19:26:13Doggerit seems to be issuing an e1 command
19:26:20Doggerwhich isnt listed in the rockbox ata.c
19:26:23Doggerany ideas?
19:26:35Bluechipi have some ata docs somwhere, but buried :( ...they are NOT so easy to track down :(
19:26:59Doggerok, it also seems to be using command a0 to read sectors
19:27:15Bluechipyou could pop onto the OFFA or MIPSX groups on Yahoo - there are people there who understand *if* you can get them to help
19:27:17Doggermy emulator gets to the point on the av300 where it tries to read the partition sector
19:27:29Doggerok, might take a look thanks
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19:31:50Bluechipdiddystar5 ???
19:32:00midknight2k3??
19:32:15diddystar5WHAT?
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19:32:50Bluechipcould you do me a favour and post a favourable comment on sourceforge against the win32sim screen patch please?
19:33:14Bluechip"checked, it works" would be sufficient :)
19:33:23diddystar5sure thing
19:33:51diddystar5but it really is good anyway!
19:34:04midknight2k3does it work?
19:34:10midknight2k3if it does great work bluechip
19:34:18midknight2k3that bug bugged me
19:34:44diddystar5but it still dosent make the sim complete good enough for me! :) i need a MAS emulator
19:35:21Bluechiphardware emulation, or just gui emulation?
19:35:56diddystar5hardware, i want to test code that does mas reads
19:36:09diddystar5so really the sim would also need to be able to play sound
19:36:21diddystar5http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=863775&group_id=44306&atid=439120
19:36:44Bluechipyou could forge a bunch of values ...but you can forget sound-chip emulation
19:39:21Bluechipcheers diddy
19:40:46diddystar5:(
19:41:02midknight2k3whaa
19:41:50Bluechipwith time you ould probably write a direct-x module which would emulate the MASF bass roll features to a modest degree - but you'll probably never get it JUST right
19:42:09BluechipI hope you maths is hotter than Venus :)
19:42:40diddystar5well, if i could get sound out of the sim and get a somewhat accurate value from mas reads it would be fine
19:43:02diddystar5but i have no idea how to make it work
19:43:20midknight2k3just fix your box :D
19:43:20Bluechipfor sound you could use the mad winamp plugin
19:43:52Bluechipthat should be quite easy
19:44:16Bluechipfor register values, just have a big array of numbers and update them as you need to
19:44:18diddystar5do it bluechip! i have no idea how to
19:44:29diddystar5please
19:44:31Bluechipproject does not interest me :(
19:44:37Bluechipi have bigger things afoot
19:44:57midknight2k3for rockbox, Bluechip?
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19:53:01Bluechipno, i just have size 16 feet :)
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19:57:42diddystar5hey hardeep
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20:25:19midknight2k3bye diddy
20:25:29diddystar5by every1
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20:25:33Bluechipbyeeeee
20:25:37midknight2k3too late.
20:25:38midknight2k3lol
20:25:43Bluechiplol
20:25:54Bluechipwell ...the thought was there :)
20:26:00midknight2k3lol
20:26:18midknight2k3ttc
20:26:30Bluechip:)
20:26:36midknight2k3we
20:26:39midknight2k3er*
20:26:45midknight2k3ttc != thought that counds
20:26:46midknight2k3LOL
20:26:51midknight2k3ttc = time to code
20:26:54midknight2k3but thats odd
20:26:55Bluechipyes, i guessed! ..hence :)
20:26:57midknight2k3it..
20:27:14midknight2k3ttc is not equal to thought that counts
20:27:21midknight2k3ttc is equal to time to code
20:27:28Bluechiphows your devkit holding up 2day? or is that a bad question to ask?
20:27:57midknight2k3its ok i think
20:28:37Bluechiphas ANYONE -EVER- used the win32sim to test the player?
20:28:49midknight2k3not really
20:28:52midknight2k3x11 sim ROCKS
20:29:13Bluechipdidnt know it was useable under windows
20:29:20midknight2k3its not
20:29:23Bluechipah
20:29:35Bluechipthen it is of no consequence to me
20:30:02midknight2k3no it's nt
20:30:12Bluechipwhats nt?
20:30:26midknight2k3no idea
20:32:27Bluechipwhat does x11 do that win32sim does not
20:32:28Bluechip?
20:32:44midknight2k3its a lot better.. better controls, visuals, etc
20:32:52Bluechipexample?
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20:33:09midknight2k3better controls, visuals
20:33:38Bluechipcan you provide and example of "in what way" the visuals are "better" ?
20:33:57midknight2k3no errors in display
20:34:02midknight2k3your patch fixes i think
20:34:08Bluechipbut of course :)
20:34:18midknight2k3you just gotta try it
20:34:24DBUGEnqueued KICK Bluechip
20:34:24Bluechip01can you provide and 01example of "in what way" the CONTROLS 01are "better" ?
20:34:38midknight2k3NO
20:34:43midknight2k3uses numpat
20:34:54Bluechipyou just mean "choice of keys"??
20:35:00midknight2k3/ = f1, * = f2, - = f3
20:35:02Bluechipthat's a 20second patch YOU could do - lol
20:35:06midknight2k3did you ever hear of knoppix
20:35:10Bluechipno
20:35:15midknight2k3well you oughta get it and try it
20:35:22midknight2k3and try the x11 sim
20:35:28midknight2k3its hard to explain it just feels a lot better
20:35:33midknight2k3lot more realistic
20:35:33Bluechipyou should try BeOS
20:35:37midknight2k3no thanks.
20:35:41Bluechiplikewise
20:35:51midknight2k3asdf
20:35:54midknight2k3to you
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20:43:43Jt1hi
20:43:47Bluechipevenin
20:43:51midknight2k3hi
20:43:53midknight2k3track?
20:43:59midknight2k3yes.
20:44:00midknight2k3it is
20:44:01midknight2k3lol
20:44:07midknight2k3i cnat believe i guessed right
20:44:07Jt1yes
20:44:08Jt1ots
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20:46:23Bluechipanyone with an FM uit?
20:46:26Bluechipunit
20:46:29Jt1not in a particulary good mood right nwo
20:46:30Jt1now
20:46:30midknight2k3me
20:46:30midknight2k3ME
20:46:34midknight2k3hi track
20:46:38midknight2k3i have fmr
20:46:39midknight2k3me
20:46:41midknight2k3pick me!
20:46:43Bluechipwhere is the radio on the menu?
20:46:44Bluechiplol
20:46:47midknight2k3er
20:46:50midknight2k3down 3 entries.
20:47:06Bluechipcan you snap-shot the screen for me please?
20:47:15midknight2k3i guess
20:47:25Bluechipwanna make sure it works before I publish the patch
20:47:27midknight2k3sec
20:47:43Bluechipyou know how to snapshot a window?
20:48:10Bluechipignore last coment
20:48:16midknight2k3what?
20:48:30midknight2k3i dont use sim
20:48:33Bluechiptwo very similar convresations in two windows
20:48:37midknight2k3if thast what you mean
20:48:43Jt1lol
20:48:51Bluechip^^^ 01ignore last coment ^^^
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20:49:15Jt1no sign of that idiot
20:50:22midknight2k3what idiot
20:50:24midknight2k3what
20:50:31Jt1m********n
20:50:48midknight2k3well wtf
20:50:49midknight2k3shhh
20:51:10Bluechipmk: thanks for the piccie - what i meant was a shot of the actual FM screen itself - soorrreeee
20:51:20midknight2k3oh sure
20:51:24Jt1silly poof
20:51:31midknight2k3the fm wps? :D
20:51:45Bluechipthe tuner screen is wps??????
20:51:57midknight2k3no
20:52:00midknight2k3just "the" wps
20:52:00Bluechipphew!
20:52:03midknight2k3nm
20:52:04midknight2k3LOL
20:52:07midknight2k3thatd be cool
20:52:11midknight2k3and a recording screen WPS
20:52:30Bluechipyou'll enjoy writing those :)
20:52:49midknight2k3no ty
20:52:50midknight2k3lol
20:53:12Bluechipyou could be good if you wanted it enough :)
20:53:26midknight2k3im busy coding my clock
20:53:36Bluechipstill going on that - cool
20:53:41Bluechipthort it was dun
20:54:11midknight2k3no
20:54:14midknight2k3linus helped with a few things
20:54:25midknight2k3total revamp in the works
20:54:26Bluechipta for piccie
20:54:58midknight2k3are you making a patch did you say
20:55:02Bluechipyes
20:55:07midknight2k3of
20:55:13midknight2k3radio?
20:55:16Bluechipwin32sim == works properly
20:55:20midknight2k3oh
20:55:51Bluechipat
20:55:52Bluechipatm
20:59:24Bluechipanyone know the differences between recorder-version2 and FM-Recorder?
20:59:31midknight2k3not much..
20:59:40Bluechipneed accurate details
20:59:47Bluechipworking on core code here - lol
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21:29:47_LaurentHi there
21:29:52midknight2k3hi
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21:38:40_LaurentI have a gmini and wondered if anybody was trying to have rockbox work on it ? from rockbox' web site it doesn't seem so...
21:39:00midknight2k3not gonna happen
21:39:01midknight2k3sorry
21:39:09Jt1why not
21:39:17_Laurentwhy ? technical reasons ?
21:39:18midknight2k3its not
21:40:15Jt1I can't see rockbox lasting forever.........
21:40:15Jt1lol
21:40:36midknight2k3sdd
21:40:58Jt1tea maker
21:41:23midknight2k3asdf.dfad
21:42:23_Laurentwell, it has an upgradable firmware as the older players/recorders, and it's probably based on similar hardware, so I can't see a valid technical reason (except if the firmware is somewhat encrypted and hardware decrypted before install) not to try to have rockbox on it ? Am I wrong ?
21:42:37midknight2k3er
21:42:42midknight2k3its an entirely different machine
21:42:56midknight2k3different lcd, different mas most likely, different scrambling algo
21:43:06midknight2k3i repeat it is about 95% sure it won't happen
21:43:14_Laurentah, did you already open one ? I did not open mine, but I can do it
21:43:35midknight2k3no
21:43:45midknight2k3its a different lcd.. that there says something
21:43:50midknight2k3its wider right
21:43:54midknight2k3i dunno
21:44:14_LaurentI'm not sure I understand you, are you telling me that rockbox is that dependent on the hardware ?
21:44:35midknight2k3sort of, but also the dfferent algo
21:44:43_Laurentyes, the lcd is wider, and it's probably pixel based not character based, since there are icons
21:44:49midknight2k3yes
21:44:53midknight2k3no doubt bitmap lcd
21:44:58Jt1yea
21:45:03Jt1not character LCD
21:45:08Jt1ie, no album covers :-(
21:45:14midknight2k3lol
21:45:19midknight2k3jt: they are gonna do it
21:45:23midknight2k3album covers on lcd
21:45:24Jt1do what?
21:45:30midknight2k3with the grayscale i think they will
21:45:33midknight2k3they were talking about it
21:45:41_Laurentjt1 : there's a way to have graphics even on character lcd
21:45:41Jt1what? Squeeze an entire album into one of the players' character cells?
21:45:48midknight2k3no
21:45:50midknight2k3on the recorder
21:45:52_LaurentJt1: i'd do that ;)
21:46:37_Laurentwhen you speak about the algo, are you talking about the firmware encrypting algorithm ?
21:46:42midknight2k3yes
21:46:56midknight2k3it's very possible
21:46:59midknight2k3but i doubt it will be done
21:47:00_Laurentok, so is this the major problem up to you ?
21:47:08midknight2k3no!
21:47:13midknight2k3don't ask me, never mind
21:47:14Jt1Ask mikeholden
21:47:19midknight2k3shutup track
21:47:20Jt1he has all the fooking' answers
21:47:22Jt1to everything
21:47:33Jt1midknight are you his boyfriend?
21:47:50midknight2k3>:(
21:48:00_Laurentoh, ok, I was beginning to thing that you knew but did'nt want to tell
21:48:17midknight2k3not at all _Laurent
21:48:37_Laurents/thing/think/g
21:48:46Jt1lol mid#
21:48:51midknight2k3?
21:49:17_Laurentwould the dev list a good place to ask my questions ?
21:49:21Jt1yea
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21:50:15midknight2k3jt: shush
21:50:16midknight2k3lol
21:50:25Jt1o
21:50:26Jt1oi
21:50:40_Laurentbtw, i'd have some more : are there any docs explaining the archos players/recorders reverse engineering process as there are for xbox-linux ? I'm missing them as general background information :)
21:50:57midknight2k3not really...
21:50:59midknight2k3maybe
21:51:00midknight2k3the
21:51:01midknight2k3er
21:51:04_Laurenti did not find any on the web site
21:51:04midknight2k3maybe "the notes"
21:51:05midknight2k3lol
21:51:22midknight2k3the notes
21:51:27Jt1the Gmini can record to WAV
21:51:39midknight2k3Jt1: get one then
21:51:47Jt1i already have one
21:51:47Jt1:-)
21:52:18Jt1has a nice blue backlight
21:52:19Jt1plays WMA
21:52:21Jt1and WAV
21:52:22midknight2k3oh really
21:52:30Jt1has an icon interface
21:52:35midknight2k3what does the startup screen look like
21:52:37Jt1can take CF cards
21:52:40Jt1it shows the ARCHOS logo
21:52:42midknight2k3dont tell him laurent
21:52:48Jt1it shows the ARCHOS logo
21:53:10midknight2k3hrm
21:54:21CtcpIgnored 2 channel CTCP requests in 9 minutes and 46 seconds at the last flood
21:54:21*_Laurent didn't tell anything
21:54:26Jt1and the peak meteres are vertical rather than horizontal
21:55:02midknight2k3there are no peak meters
21:55:09Jt1there ARE peak meters
21:55:13Jt1they are vertical on the Gmini
21:55:28midknight2k3what does it do when you put in a cf card
21:55:29_Laurenttrue
21:56:26midknight2k3what does it do when you put in a cf card
21:56:29midknight2k3Jt1?
21:56:47Jt1I don't know as I don't have any CF cards and I havent paied for the plugin yet
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21:58:07Jt1Ive noticed Smartmedia cards are losing popularity
21:58:19_Laurentas for mikeholden, does he comes here or should I try email ?
21:58:27midknight2k3dont ask mikeholden
21:58:28midknight2k3wtf
21:58:30midknight2k3track
21:58:30Jt1don't bother with him
21:58:33Jt1mikeholden
21:58:34midknight2k3track hates mikeholden
21:58:44midknight2k3i think he loves him
21:58:49midknight2k3he says his name all day
21:58:54Jt1Fuck you mid#
21:58:55Jt1:-)
21:58:59_Laurentok I see
21:59:04Jt1i DO NOT love him
21:59:10_Laurentwars begin this way ;)
21:59:17midknight2k3track
21:59:18midknight2k3you do
21:59:20midknight2k3and you know it
21:59:26Jt1bullshit
21:59:27Jt1midknight
21:59:41Jt1go and work on ur polyphonic ringtones
21:59:42Jt1:P
21:59:47midknight2k3:v)
21:59:56midknight2k3track likes mike holden
21:59:59midknight2k3:D
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22:00:01Jt1i DO NOT!!!!
22:00:08midknight2k3then stop referring people to him
22:00:10midknight2k3all day
22:00:26Jt1mid only cos u like the_dude02 so much
22:00:27Jt1:P
22:00:36midknight2k3are you KIDDING ME
22:00:54midknight2k3YOU DFAD
22:00:59midknight2k3YOU LOVE MIKEHOLDEN
22:01:12midknight2k3so muc you made a sourceforge nick "mikeh0lden"
22:01:13Jt1FUCK YOU!!!
22:01:17Jt1I do NOT!!
22:01:18midknight2k3lol
22:01:21midknight2k3lolol
22:01:24midknight2k3you're funny
22:01:35Jt1lol
22:01:36midknight2k3you're funny when you lie
22:01:45Jt1shaddup
22:02:20midknight2k3i bet you want mikeholden tonight
22:02:44_Laurenthey i didn't thought rockbox was so hot
22:02:58_Laurent:)
22:03:16midknight2k3i bet Jt1 can almost taste mikeholden's sweet lips
22:03:16Jt1midknight be quiet
22:04:29Jt1lol LCD screens
22:04:56midknight2k3lol mikeholdenandtrack
22:05:27Jt1ok
22:05:59Jt1one midknight and his iPod
22:07:02Jt1Hahahaha!
22:07:10midknight2k3ipods are nice
22:07:15midknight2k3but i'd prefer an archos
22:07:29_Laurentipods are awfully expensive
22:07:50midknight2k3i know
22:07:59midknight2k3id rather a jbrec 20
22:08:21_Laurentapart from firewire and AAC it can do pretty much the same as an ipod
22:08:26midknight2k3yeah
22:08:31Jt1midknight what u said the other day was so cheesy it made me reach for the bucket
22:08:43midknight2k3what was that, track?
22:09:02Jt1"I couldn't wish for anything else other than an archos"
22:09:54midknight2k3which day was this?
22:10:01midknight2k3LOL
22:10:04midknight2k3reach for the bucket
22:10:37Jt1u said that to me in PM when u got the vid clips working
22:11:07midknight2k3lol
22:11:13midknight2k3let me have a look at the logs
22:11:22Jt1u said that in PM
22:11:29midknight2k3like i said
22:11:30midknight2k3let me have a look at the logs
22:12:02Jt1if u want to look at logs visit a lumberjack's shed
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22:13:12midknight2k3lol
22:13:12midknight2k3ok
22:13:16midknight2k3i dont see anything
22:13:17_Laurenthuh, I see there's some interest for the gmini at least : http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=856557
22:13:28midknight2k315:56:02 | <track> Everyone in the shop today was buying ipods!!!
22:13:34midknight2k315:59:51 | <track> I held the Gmini today
22:13:39midknight2k3thats why he knew about the peak meters
22:14:12midknight2k311:16:53 | <track> i should file a dodhy request under mikeh0lden
22:14:20midknight2k3LOL
22:15:16midknight2k315:10:15 | <track> File a request "Make the Gmini plugins work on the Recorder"
22:15:48Doggergmini is pants
22:15:52Doggerget an iPod instead
22:15:58midknight2k3UCK
22:16:01midknight2k3DOGGEr
22:16:03Doggerit has decent firmware and open source firmware
22:16:07midknight2k3how could you stoop so low
22:16:08_LaurentDogger: give me the extra money and i'll do ;)
22:16:16midknight2k313:20:18 | <track> the new Nomad is really sexy
22:16:27Doggercos iPod rules
22:16:45Doggerthey even..... get this..... have technical support!!!!!! Something Archos can only dream of having
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22:17:22midknight2k3lol
22:17:23midknight2k3he left
22:17:29midknight2k3cause i started pasting his secrets
22:17:40midknight2k3dogger: i thought you'd never stoop so low
22:17:49Doggermidknight2k3: you know its true
22:18:16midknight2k3i know it SUCKS
22:18:24midknight2k3i cant believe you
22:18:30midknight2k3you got an IPOD?!
22:18:38midknight2k3our friendship is soiled!
22:18:40midknight2k3lol
22:20:33Doggeryes I got an iPod
22:20:36Doggerthey are sexy
22:20:40Doggerand the best mp3 player
22:20:48midknight2k3they SUCK
22:20:51Doggerav300 is the best (practically only) video player
22:21:01midknight2k3ipod sucks
22:21:03midknight2k3get a karma instead
22:21:07_Laurentfunctionality speaking, rockbox with an archos does the same
22:21:14_Laurent(and possibly more)
22:21:24midknight2k3a LOT more
22:21:31midknight2k3video playback, lots of games, custom wps
22:21:32_Laurentso why would a more expensive ipod be interesting ?
22:21:33midknight2k3custom font
22:21:41midknight2k3dont get me going
22:21:42midknight2k3lol
22:21:44_Laurent:)
22:22:14_Laurentok, an ipod with rockbox on it would be better than an archos
22:22:32_Laurentbecause of firewire and probably AAC which seems to be done via hardware
22:22:56midknight2k3whatever
22:23:14_Laurentbut it'd still be expensive
22:23:39midknight2k3dfasa
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22:39:45arspy87hey all
22:39:59[IDC]Dragonhi
22:40:00arspy87..and midk too
22:40:17midknight2k3hey
22:40:28Trakkhi
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22:43:37midknight2k3hi kurz
22:43:38kurzhaarrockeryeah. I can split mp3s on the recorder now.
22:43:58midknight2k3?????
22:44:18kurzhaarrockerI made a plugin for splitting mp3 files with a graphical osci gui.
22:45:09midknight2k3oooh
22:45:11midknight2k3coooool
22:45:18midknight2k3can i see
22:47:50kurzhaarrockerhave a look at http://www.carangg.de/splitedit.zip
22:48:42midknight2k3oo ooo oooo ooo
22:49:03midknight2k3you need new ajbrec?
22:49:37kurzhaarrockeryes, I had to do modifications right down to mpeg.h. Linus will beat me.
22:49:44midknight2k3lol
22:49:58midknight2k3testing
22:50:09midknight2k3er
22:50:11midknight2k3thats for rec?
22:50:17midknight2k3i have fm
22:50:19kurzhaarrockeryes. For rec only
22:50:24midknight2k3NOO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
22:50:39kurzhaarrockerwait, I think I can compile it for fm, too
22:50:44midknight2k3pls
22:50:45midknight2k3do
22:50:45midknight2k3wait
22:50:54midknight2k3i just ran the splitedit
22:50:58midknight2k3and it said IllInstr
22:51:02midknight2k3and then it roloed something
22:51:06midknight2k3for some reason
22:51:25midknight2k3are you making for fm
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22:52:35midknight2k3i've got to go
22:52:39midknight2k3unless its building
22:52:49kurzhaarrockerit is
22:52:57midknight2k3is it fast? lol
22:53:20kurzhaarrockerIt could use more speed
22:53:36midknight2k3hurry it along
22:55:20kurzhaarrockerits uploading www.carangg.de/fm_splitedit.zip
22:55:31midknight2k3let me know when its up
22:55:32midknight2k3or is it
22:55:44kurzhaarrockerDon't use it on files you haven't backuped before. Its not been testet much.
22:55:59midknight2k3ok
22:56:03midknight2k3done?
22:56:06kurzhaarrockershould be up now
22:56:14midknight2k3ok
22:56:25midknight2k3hurr hurry lol
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22:56:28midknight2k345%
22:56:31midknight2k355%
22:56:34midknight2k375
22:56:36kurzhaarrockerWhat are you running for?
22:56:38midknight2k390
22:56:40midknight2k3done
22:56:46midknight2k3?
22:56:55kurzhaarrockerWhy are you in a hurry?
22:57:00midknight2k3just gota go
22:57:10midknight2k3done
22:57:13midknight2k3bye all
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22:57:16kurzhaarrockeruse on your own risk
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23:02:14arspy87g2g, back in 30
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23:03:07kurzhaarrockerHoly cow! When I look at the patch tracker I should be glad if my split editor will make it in before xmas 2004!
23:17:07kurzhaarrockerHave the founders of rockbox all gone on holyday?
23:17:49_Laurentperhaps they work ;)
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23:27:19*kurzhaarrocker let's them work while he goes sleeping.
23:27:24kurzhaarrockercu
23:27:32_Laurentcu
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