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#rockbox log for 2004-01-09

00:00:02LinusNJN-Computer: hi
00:00:05JN-Computeri have a problem compiling rockbox 2.1 on the windows xp platform
00:00:21ZagorJN-Computer: are you using cygwin?
00:00:31[IDC]Dragonthat should work the way it is
00:00:53JN-Computeri am missing the "recorder v2" render target in the win32.mak makefile
00:01:08LinusNJN-Computer: use cygwin
00:01:20JN-Computeri'm using kpit's gnush
00:02:03LinusNwe strongly advice you to use cygwin instead
00:02:14JN-Computeri aready compiled it for recorder 20 successfully
00:02:25JN-Computerbut i failed for the recorder v2
00:02:47JN-Computerthe makefile win32.mak seems to be too old
00:02:52BagderJN-Computer: no one maintains that file
00:03:00Bagderthat is a dead end you're persuing
00:03:13Bagderor
00:03:21Bagderyou get to make the pieces fit
00:03:38LinusNZagor, Bagder: let's remove the links to gnush from our www docs
00:03:44Zagoryeah
00:03:50*Bagder agrees
00:04:02LinusNcygwin is the way to go
00:04:41Zagordone
00:05:07[IDC]DragonLinusN: how should we proceed about the playtime which is handled in dma_tick()?
00:05:29[IDC]Dragonid3tags[tag_read_idx]->id3.elapsed += ...
00:05:46[IDC]Dragonwe don't want that if playing from mem
00:05:55ZagorJN-Computer: you can probably fix it relatively easy yourself if you want to keep using it. just add the v2 target like the others.
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00:07:28LinusN[IDC]Dragon: either we use a pointer, or we apply a separate time counter. i prefer the latter
00:07:43[IDC]DragonI sketched a function instead which returns the measured playtime.
00:07:50LinusNgood
00:08:07LinusNwith a timer_reset() function as well?
00:08:09[IDC]DragonBut that doesn't directly blast it into the id3 struct.
00:08:25LinusNit doesn't need to be there
00:08:29[IDC]DragonSo we could introduce a tick function for that,
00:08:43[IDC]Dragonor query the value when needed.
00:10:18LinusNi think the mpeg tick irq should update a static variable, read an reset by mpeg_playtime() and mpeg_playtime_reset()
00:10:52LinusNremove id3.elapsed and let the wps call the mpeg_playtime() function instead
00:11:34[IDC]DragonOK. The tick doesn't need to update a static, we only need to keep track of play and pause.
00:11:42LinusNor rather mp3_play_elapsed() or whatever we decide to call it
00:12:32LinusN[IDC]Dragon: i think you should commit small changes
00:12:56[IDC]Dragonin general, right now, or what?
00:13:24LinusNworking for days and committing huge changes in lots of files is not good imho
00:13:42LinusNin general, if applicable
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00:13:48[IDC]DragonI just wound it back
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00:14:18LinusNyeah, i know
00:14:30[IDC]Dragonthe first split had to touch many files by nature
00:14:48[IDC]Dragonmost were just #include addons
00:15:46Bagdernight!
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00:16:06LinusN[IDC]Dragon: i know you had to do that huge commit
00:16:37LinusNbut from now on, it may be easier to commit the changes incrementally
00:17:00LinusNmakes it easier for me and others to keep track of the changes
00:17:05[IDC]Dragonsure, won't affect so many any more
00:17:24LinusNand easier to revert if something goes bad
00:18:13LinusNit'll be real fun to add sound effects to tetris :-)
00:19:03[IDC]Dragon;)
00:19:17[IDC]Dragonchip8 also has a beep opcode
00:20:32[IDC]DragonThe sim builds always bite me because I don't test that.. Can I build them from cygwin?
00:24:00LinusNyes of course
00:24:55[IDC]Dragonthe make down there, or create one with the configure tool?
00:25:14trackwould ot overstrain the buffer to have sounds for ch8 or rvf files?
00:25:47[IDC]Dragonsorry?
00:26:03[IDC]Dragonyou mean, the 32k os too small?
00:26:09[IDC]Dragonis too
00:26:18tracksince the buffer is used for the video playback would there be enough RAM to house the sounds as well?
00:26:22LinusN[IDC]Dragon: just use the configure script
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00:26:37[IDC]DragonLinusN: OK, I'll try
00:27:10[IDC]Dragontrack: we can copy the sounds from disk into the large mp3 buffer
00:27:33trackok
00:27:47tracki just thought the buffer was also used for the video playback
00:28:04[IDC]Dragonvideo uses only a small buffer
00:28:21trackok
00:28:52[IDC]Dragonbut a+v is different then games
00:29:32trackman i couldn't wish for anything else other than my recorder
00:29:33track:-)
00:32:28[IDC]DragonLinusN: would that be Win32 or X11 for cygwin?
00:34:55LinusNwin32
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00:40:26JN-Computerhello again
00:40:35JN-Computerjust tried out cygwin
00:40:55JN-Computerit worked !! thanks for the advice
00:40:59Zagorexcellent
00:41:14JN-Computerdidn't know that it's that easy
00:41:34JN-Computeri tinkered around with gnush for hours
00:41:47JN-Computerwith little success
00:42:03Zagorwell it did say cygwin was recommended :-)
00:42:10JN-ComputerTHANKS :-))
00:42:23JN-Computerlong live ARCHOS
00:42:52Zagorrockbox, anyway ;)
00:43:03JN-Computerstill can't believe why the original archos firmware is so crappy
00:43:23JN-Computerif ARCHOS applied you, ...
00:43:24JN-Computerhihi
00:44:08JN-Computerjukebox is worthless without rockbox
00:44:17*LinusN blushes
00:45:16JN-Computeryou're really geniuses here
00:46:04JN-Computerwill you get hands on the MAS documents someday
00:46:13JN-Computerto reprogram the DSP
00:46:23JN-Computeris there a chance anyway ??
00:46:37JN-Computermp3pro would be cool
00:46:38trackI still believe the mas is unprogrammable as the MP3 decoder is "hard-coded" in the chip
00:46:41Zagorthere's not a lot it can do anyway
00:46:55JN-Computerok
00:47:08Doggerhey zagor?
00:47:12Zagoryup
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00:50:03trackZagor if Archos know how much better your firmware is why isn't it mentioned on their website, or offered for download on their website?
00:50:17Zagorwhy are you asking me?
00:50:43JN-Computerarchos builds great hardware, but their software sucks a lot
00:50:48trackbecause I asked Archos before and I get the same stupid automated response
00:51:44trackI still wonder what causes that faint buzzing sound on the Archos F/W
00:52:02JN-Computerwhat does F/W mean
00:52:09JN-Computer(i'm german ;-) )
00:52:30trackfirmware
00:52:32trackabbreaviation
00:52:35JN-Computerthx
00:52:46JN-Computeri know that buzzing sound
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00:52:59trackyea I wonder what causes it on the Archos side of things
00:53:15JN-Computerrockbox eliminates the buzz
00:53:24JN-Computerhas to be a software issue
00:53:41trackyea i know
00:54:03JN-Computerperhaps bad programming of cpu/mas/ram workflow
00:54:22JN-Computerbad irq usage
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00:55:00JN-Computerhad similar problems with my pc (soundcard)
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00:57:24JN-Computeri think the mpeg buffer isn't used optimally in rockbox 2.1
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00:57:49[IDC]Dragongoodnight!
00:57:57JN-Computerdisk spins up too early to reload mp3 data
00:57:58LinusNJN-Computer: why di you think that?
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00:58:37LinusNJN-Computer: we have spent lots of work optimizing the buffer algorithm
00:59:09LinusNbut yes, there may be more tweaks to be made
00:59:20JN-Computeri watched the mpeg thread in developers section of rockbox
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01:00:04JN-Computerand i think the disk spins up a bit too early
01:00:37JN-Computerthere still something left in the buffer which should be played to save energy
01:00:49JN-Computerand then the disk should spinup
01:01:20LinusNwe still want a margin for read errors, like when you shake the jukebox
01:01:44JN-Computeri think this margin in rockbox 2.1 is too big
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01:01:53LinusNand was this a VBR or CBR stream?
01:01:56midknight2k3he earhurts
01:02:00midknight2k3hi linus
01:02:00JN-ComputerCBR
01:02:02midknight2k3hi track
01:02:05midknight2k3hi zagor
01:02:27LinusNJN-Computer: you may be right, i'll look into it
01:02:29JN-Computeri tested it with 160 kbps mp3
01:02:39JN-Computermy margin is 5 pixels
01:02:56JN-Computerand i can walk without dinterruption
01:03:17LinusNpixels?
01:03:27LinusNhow about bytes?
01:03:35JN-Computerpixels of the mpeg-thread-bar
01:03:49trackhey midknight
01:03:50LinusNi know, but i'm more interested in the bytes
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01:04:41midknight2k3Seen the new Menu R edesign patch? Sounds pretty nice
01:04:49trackyo midknight
01:06:37JN-Computer60000 bytes
01:06:48JN-Computer58,6 kb
01:07:37Zagorthat's less than 2s at 256kbit
01:08:13midknight2k3lol
01:08:32JN-Computerneeds dynamic allocation, should be 3 seconds of music
01:08:50JN-Computeri don't have any interruption
01:08:54LinusNneeds dynamic allocation?
01:09:04JN-Computerthe size of the boundary
01:09:07JN-Computeryes
01:09:18LinusNi suggest you read the code first
01:09:25Zagorit is dynamic. those three seconds have an immesurable impact on your battery life.
01:09:29LinusNit is dynamic
01:09:45Zagora gap in playback, though, is very much noticable
01:10:15Zagor3s is a pretty good margin. i'm surprised we're even that close.
01:10:53Zagortry some different bitrates and you'll see the dynamics in effect
01:10:56JN-Computeri wouldn't shake the jukebox much either
01:11:06JN-Computerlost one harddisk already
01:11:21Zagorthat's not the point
01:11:26LinusNJN-Computer: the margin is calculated from the spinup time of the hard drive, which may differ between spinups
01:11:56LinusNalso, reading a fragmented file takes longer
01:12:10LinusNso we need a margin
01:12:34midknight2k3LinusN: I am planning to update my clock tomorrow and fix a few bugs. I'll send it to you when I'm done, shall I?
01:12:41LinusNdo so
01:12:58midknight2k3okay
01:16:16Zagorbed time. bye.
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01:16:57JN-Computeri simply modified "static void recalculate_watermark(int bitrate)"
01:17:16JN-Computerand "void mpeg_set_buffer_margin(int seconds)" functions in mpeg.c
01:17:26JN-Computerto optimize the margin
01:17:38JN-Computerworks great for me !
01:17:49JN-Computerno skipping either
01:18:01JN-Computereven in the car / walking etc
01:21:17LinusNJN-Computer: you removed the *3 multiplication?
01:22:18JN-Computergive me your e-mail adress, i'll send the mod to you
01:22:23LinusNand why change mpeg_set_buffer_margin()?
01:22:27JN-Computeras a text file
01:22:42LinusNsend it to linus at haxx.se
01:22:53JN-Computerlinus@haxx.se
01:22:59JN-Computercorrect ?
01:23:12LinusNguess why i obfuscated the address?
01:23:23LinusNnow i'll have to edit the log by hand :-(
01:23:24JN-Computereehh
01:23:46LinusNbut yes, that's correct
01:27:29JN-Computerhave sent it to you, linus.
01:27:36JN-Computermust be there soon.
01:32:36midknight2k3linus?
01:32:47midknight2k3seen the new patch for revised menus?
01:32:51midknight2k3i think it sounds great
01:38:39JN-Computeryou're right, linus - i've removed the *3 multiplication
01:38:48JN-Computerlooked that up now
01:39:25JN-Computerand set time=350 in all cases
01:40:41LinusNtime=350 in all cases is just plain silly
01:41:05LinusNthe whole point is to calculate it from the disk spinup time
01:41:46JN-Computerok, but the *3 multiplication
01:42:09JN-Computeris just wasting precious space
01:42:21LinusNthe multiplication can probably be removed, and should be replaced by a constant margin instead
01:42:44JN-Computermaybe yes
01:43:23LinusNon the other hand, that's what set_buffer_margin is for...
01:43:59JN-Computeri've tried on my jukebox rec 20 without *3 multiplication - works perfect
01:44:00LinusNi saw that *3 multiplication a few days ago, and i couldn't remember why i did that
01:44:03JN-Computereven in car / walking
01:44:33LinusNyou must remember that there are great differences between different devices
01:44:51LinusNyou are obviously one of the firtunate ones
01:44:55LinusNfortunate
01:45:09JN-Computerin a shaky environment, one can enable the anti-skip-buffer
01:45:21JN-Computerif there are interruptions in playback
01:45:31LinusNyup
01:46:34JN-Computerok, you have to write the firmware that it works on all devices
01:46:55JN-Computerand there are models with slow hard disks perhaps
01:47:14JN-Computerbut i think a constant would be better than * 3
01:47:25LinusNindeed
01:47:48LinusNi'll fix that, thanks for pointing that out
01:48:12JN-Computerok
01:48:36JN-Computeri think the anti-skip-buffer can play the role of that constant
01:49:13JN-Computerif one regognizes interruptions, simply raise anti-skip by 1 second or so
01:49:14LinusNyup
01:49:55JN-Computerso people in quiet environment can optimize for long battery life
01:50:14JN-Computerand people in shaky environments optimize on stability
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01:51:00JN-Computerby the price of shorter battery life due to additional spinups
01:51:13JN-Computerok, thaks for listening
01:51:36LinusNthanks for looking into it
01:51:40JN-Computer;-)
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02:03:43elinenbemaybe someone here can help me. I want to compile the cimulator under cygwin for windows 2000 −− what packages do I need to download install and configure through cygwin to make this work...
02:05:13LinusNgcc
02:05:29LinusNand make
02:05:40LinusNmaybe perl
02:05:48elinenbeis that all, because I have both of those, but it does not work.
02:05:56LinusN"does not work"
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02:06:57LinusNcompile error?
02:07:00LinusNcrash?
02:07:14LinusNdancing goblins on the screen?
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02:20:43hardeepelinenbe: you need the packages listed in http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-08/0319.shtml
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02:20:59hardeepelinenbe: re: building cygwin simulator
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02:23:28MTgcc-mingw as well iirc
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04:05:48StevenmHey people
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04:07:12StevenmIf the archos batteris are 1.2V 1500mAh cells, then why does Rockbox show a charge level of below 100% when the battery voltage is 4.8V ?
04:09:03MTwith the charger connected?
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04:39:01Stevenmoops
04:39:09Stevenmback
04:39:16StevenmYea I am getting some odd voltage readings
04:39:24Stevenm5.09V and battery meter: 55%
04:39:53Stevenmand if the batteries are 1.2V, then why isn't the 100% voltage set at 4.8V? What's the big idea?
04:40:27Stevenmfurthermore, at this voltage, the archos firmware reports the battery being 100% full
04:40:37Stevenm(or at least showing 3 bars)
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09:29:48midhaarrockermoin again :)
09:29:53LinusNhi
09:30:24LinusNwhen you get old, will your nick be baldrocker?
09:30:41midhaarrockerI hope I don't get that old.
09:30:54LinusN:-)
09:32:48LinusNi'm about to commit craig's record-to-current-dir patch
09:33:14LinusNbut i want to have the option to record to a specific dir as well
09:33:16midhaarrockerhooray! A small but -extremly- important improvement!
09:33:22LinusNhow about /recordings
09:33:25LinusN?
09:34:14LinusNso either you record to the current dir, or to /recordings
09:34:25midhaarrockerIf you want to suit my needs there would be /recordings dir in which a subdir is created based on the date, In that subdir the recording with timestamp as name.
09:35:03midhaarrockerlike /recordings/2004_01_28/14_32_56.mp3
09:35:05LinusNyou will hate it when you do nightly recordings :-)
09:35:23midhaarrocker:)
09:36:22midhaarrockerWell if we have that record-to-current-dir it will be almost just as fine. And /recordings is fine, too.
09:36:52LinusNi think i'll start with /recordings and current dir
09:37:02midhaarrockerright so
09:40:50midhaarrockerLol! Zagor recommends to run the worst case! :)
09:46:59LinusNof course
09:53:49midhaarrockerThat &$ trigger for splitting gives me harder times than expected. grr.
09:54:02LinusNhehe, what is the prob now?
09:54:45midhaarrockerAssume it has alredy triggered, something was recorded and now the signal has fallen below the stop threshold but the hold time has not expired yet.
09:55:10midhaarrockerNow the signal rises again, exceeds the stop threshold but not yet the start threshold
09:55:49midhaarrockerNormally I'd say when the signal exceeds the stop threshold the recording should continue without split.
09:56:21midhaarrockerBut a signal for triggering a split usually first crosses the stop threshold and _then_ the start threshold.
09:57:22LinusNbut isn't it always a threshold and a hold time?
09:58:24LinusNyou have different conditions for splitting than for start/stop?
09:59:07LinusNso you have a "grey zone" between the stop and the start thresholds?
09:59:13midhaarrockerOf course I want to recycle the start conditions as split conditions. But one parameter had to be added: a minimal post-gap.
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09:59:37midhaarrockergrey zone, yes
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10:00:20midhaarrockerI think I'll simply reuse the dropout time of the start trigger as a attack time for the split trigger.
10:00:54LinusNi think you should decice what the split point really is
10:01:26LinusNeither it is the stop point of the previous song, or the start point of the next
10:01:28LinusNwhich is it?
10:01:50midhaarrockerthe latter. I don't think anyone wants music to start with silence.
10:01:57LinusNor should it be two point, cutting away the silence in between?
10:02:49midhaarrockerI think I should explain the whole system first, otherwise there'll me many misunderstandigs.
10:04:23LinusNsend me the README
10:04:40midhaarrockerI think I should write one :)
10:04:59LinusNif you write it well, we can just paste it into the manual later
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10:13:49LinusNregarding the recording, i'm thinking of a setting, "recording dir" which can be either "Default" or "Current dir"
10:14:05LinusNwhere "Default" is /recording
10:14:26LinusN /recordings
10:14:44midhaarrockerIf the default dir can not be modifed - why not display the dir name instead of default?
10:15:26midhaarrockerso it would be "/recordings" and "Current dir"
10:15:29LinusNi was thinking of that, but if we change the default dir name, the .cfg file would be incompatible
10:15:40LinusNmaybe that isn't much of a problem
10:16:35midhaarrockerIt's just that I feat questions like "Where can I set the default dir?" ...
10:16:43midhaarrockerfeat = fear
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10:21:58LinusNso maybe we should have "current" or "custom" instead?
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10:22:26midhaarrockerwith custom a user definable dir?
10:22:41LinusNyes, but i'll go for "/recordings" and "current" for now
10:23:06midhaarrockerPeople will like it!
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10:54:56midhaarrockerhi
10:55:01needhelpi recorded a large set
10:55:12needhelpbut i cant edit it
10:55:29needhelpcause header seems to be defect
10:55:35LinusNwhich editor?
10:55:39needhelpusede rockbox 2.1
10:55:43needhelpcool edit
10:55:55LinusNi bet cool edit can't read ID3V2.4 tags
10:55:56needhelpi cant play it in winamp
10:56:07needhelpwinamp too?
10:56:11LinusNwhat does winamp say
10:56:32needhelpwinamp says its 427 min long
10:56:43needhelpbit only plays the first 15
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10:56:56LinusNand it doesn't play?
10:57:05LinusNok, the file seems to be corrupt
10:57:18needhelphm wm9 plays it
10:57:27needhelpmy jukebox plays it
10:57:36LinusNhow long is the recording (in minutes)?
10:58:11needhelp427 min
10:58:20LinusNok, file size?
10:58:31needhelp523 mb
10:59:02LinusNi suggest this:
10:59:25LinusN1) Find a tool called fixvbr (or vbrfix, i don't remember)
10:59:39LinusN2) Run it and see if it finds any error in the file
10:59:49needhelphave it
10:59:56LinusN3) Run scandisk on your jukebox
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11:00:27LinusNdo you happen to know the cluster size on your jukebox?
11:00:57needhelpvbr fix says change in mpeg version found
11:01:09needhelpstandard one
11:01:54LinusNok, so the file is corrupt
11:02:32needhelpso what to do?
11:02:37LinusNi wish i knew why this happens
11:02:58LinusNwell, can vbrfix remove the garbage?
11:02:58needhelpsometimes happens with long files in vbr
11:03:17LinusNhow far into the file does this happen?
11:03:18needhelpno
11:03:26needhelpfirst 15 min
11:03:36LinusNin bytes?
11:04:22needhelp18146365
11:04:25needhelpbytes
11:04:34needhelpthan mp3cutter stops reading
11:05:19LinusNbut the rest of the file is ok?
11:05:35needhelpthink so its playable in wm9
11:05:43needhelpand on jukebox itselt
11:06:11LinusNcan you put up the first 20megs of that file for me to download somewhere?
11:06:41needhelpsure
11:06:49needhelpor by dcc?
11:07:32LinusNwe can try dcc
11:07:41LinusNmy firewall may not allow it though
11:09:13needhelpok i just upload it to my ftp
11:10:12LinusNgreat
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13:38:44quelsarukhi
13:38:45quelsaruk:)
13:38:53quelsarukrockbox site is down??
13:39:23midhaarrocker:'C
13:39:29midhaarrockeryou're right
13:39:40quelsarukouch
13:40:35quelsarukand no-one has the link to the mail where [idc]dragon explained how to make videos, no?
13:40:45quelsarukmy brother asked me that :(
13:43:37midhaarrockerLinus: Maybe http://www.carangg.de/trigger_readme.txt shows you what I mean...
13:43:43LinusNhang on, we are working on it
13:44:03LinusNshould work now
13:44:27midhaarrockeryea! Hooray!
13:48:47Doggerjust got my av300 HDD to spin up, and got ATA status ok :)
13:48:55Doggerwoo! will have this bootloader done soon
13:49:29quelsarukDogger :)
13:52:20midhaarrockerAnd he didn't eve use any goats yet!
13:54:12quelsarukhehehe
13:54:33quelsarukbecause he had to pay a lot for author's rights ;)
13:54:46quelsaruki'm the only official techno-priest :P
13:55:20quelsaruklunch time!
13:55:25quelsarukcu later!
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14:14:27c0uttaguys, do we have a general function that returns true/false based upon user input ?
14:14:45c0uttalike "Do you want to Delete ? Yes/No"
14:18:15midhaarrockerc0utta: I know none
14:18:15midhaarrockerLinusN: I'm not sure wether you understood me right with the link I posted: It concerns the trigger settings, not the web site dropout.
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14:19:48LinusNmidhaarrocker: i know, i'm just busy atm
14:20:58LinusNmidhaarrocker: you are the king of ascii art! :-)
14:21:13midhaarrockerI just hope it explains things... :)
14:21:51midhaarrockerBe busy as long as you want - If everything works out I can provide code on saturday night...
14:24:06LinusNnice
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15:52:58plm_flashed_recoHi at all
15:53:14plm_flashed_recotest
15:53:43plm_flashed_recosomebody there ??
15:54:25Doggersomebody is
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15:58:48midhaarrockerj
15:59:32plmhi
15:59:37plmyou can read me ?
15:59:57midhaarrockerOnly what you write, not what your mind
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16:00:12plmI want to speak about a very very great bug
16:00:25plmmaybe it is know, but i don't think so
16:01:02plmit is about the archos recorder flashed version
16:01:42plmthis probleme happened to me two times
16:02:01plmsomebody read me ?
16:02:06webmindyeah
16:02:07plmoh he....
16:02:14plma yes :)
16:02:16webmindalthough it's hard to parse your english
16:02:25plmi know :(
16:02:31plmi'm french in fact
16:02:37*midhaarrocker still waits for the bug description.
16:02:49plmso try again to explain me
16:02:52webmindplm, poor you.. but please continue
16:03:00plmyes
16:03:09plmso .... the bug is
16:03:17plmwhen your disconnect
16:03:27plmyour archos from your pc
16:03:56plmwithout turn it off
16:04:11plmso ALL YOUR DATA IS CLEARED
16:04:23midhaarrockerThat's not a rockbox bug but a user mistake
16:04:35plmNO
16:04:37plmbecause
16:04:38midhaarrockerYou must klick the disconnect icon in the status bar first to eject your drive.
16:04:41plmbefore
16:04:45plmyes i do it
16:04:52plmi eject it
16:04:56midhaarrockerok.
16:04:56plmproperly
16:05:00midhaarrockerWhat data is cleared?
16:05:13plmyes
16:05:15midhaarrockerSettings? files ereased?
16:05:16plmin fact
16:05:23plmthe fat is altered
16:05:34plmand when you plug again
16:05:46plmthe archos
16:06:03plmall data are not accessible
16:06:19midhaarrockerthe files on the disk?
16:06:26plmyes
16:06:31plmthe archos disk
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16:06:40midhaarrockerDoesn't happen with me. Have you run scandisk on it?
16:06:50plmyes
16:06:55midhaarrockerNo errors found?
16:07:02plmpartion magic 8
16:07:09plmToo errors to be recovered
16:07:17plm<= it says to me
16:08:03plmso i use a data recovery software ( ESS maybe you know )
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16:08:29midhaarrockerHm. If you have backuped your data - have you tried to repartition / format the drive?
16:09:02plmand after more than 5 hoours i can acces again a great part of my songs...
16:09:06plmyes i treid
16:09:23midhaarrockerSo reformat doesn't help? Strange.
16:09:32plmi tried to repartition / format and the archos is ok now
16:09:39plmbut with no data...
16:10:24midhaarrockerformatting a drive deletes all data.
16:10:32plmthe problem is that it is not possible to turn off tha archos when it is plug to the pc and when it is charging
16:11:02plmit is the reason why after eject it properly i disconnect usb cable
16:11:04midhaarrockerYou needn't turn it off. If you just ejected the drive by software you can disconnect it while it is turned on.
16:11:19plmit is the BUG !!!
16:11:36plmwith the archos flashed version
16:11:51plmno bug with the origin firmware
16:12:13plmthis bug is only with the archos flashed version....
16:12:16midhaarrockerwell , it's a different behaviour, but I don't exaclty consider it as a bug.
16:12:31plmI loose all my data
16:12:35plm2 times...
16:12:45plmand i say it is not a bug !!!
16:12:59plmYO say it is not a bug...
16:13:43midhaarrockerLoosing data is fatal but it shouldn't be related to the different on / off behaviour.
16:14:19midhaarrockerIt must be possible to disconnect the device (after ejecting it) while powered on.
16:14:23plm?? don't understand
16:14:33plmyes i agree with you$
16:14:35plmbut
16:14:47plmwith the flash version i can't do it safely
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16:15:29plmi'm there...
16:16:36midhaarrockerHm. I frequently disconnect my flashed recorder powered on. I never had any data loss. Which operating system do you use.
16:17:01plmmy archos is flashed with the rockbox flash firmware
16:17:05plmnot the 2.1 version
16:17:12midhaarrockerIs it older?
16:17:13plmdo you think the problem is there ?
16:17:18plmno
16:17:34midhaarrockerI run a recent daily build without probs.
16:18:09plmthe latest firmware i know is the 2.1
16:18:30midhaarrockerI suspect you have a problem with the drivers in your pc. Which OS do you run on your PC?
16:18:42midhaarrocker2.1 is the latest official release. It should work fine.
16:18:51plmdo you think if i use the 2.1 firmware version, the bug will go on ?
16:18:54plmi use XP
16:18:59midhaarrockerMe too.
16:19:09plmthe the latest usb archos driver i find
16:19:25plmwith the latest archos driver
16:19:29midhaarrockerXP shouldnt need any drivers. It has its own.
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16:19:58midhaarrockerI don't believe that a version change in rockbox alters your problem.
16:20:32plmbut remember that when i used the archos without flash
16:21:00plmi can disconnect the archos turned on (ejected before)
16:21:15midhaarrockerDo you know that you can use the archos firmware when you hold F1 (on the archos) while power on?
16:21:21plmthe problem is arrived after i flashed it
16:22:01plmyes
16:22:12plmbut why are you tellinf me that ?
16:22:42midhaarrockerSo if you boot the recorder with the archos firmware, connect it to the pc, write some data, disconnect cleanly it doesn't smash your filesystem?
16:23:21plmok but..
16:23:43plmif it works for you without change firmware...
16:24:00plmit normally works for me too
16:24:31midhaarrockerIt really should. I wonder where the differences in our setups are.
16:24:58plmyou have a recorder one ?
16:25:09midhaarrockeryes
16:25:11plma 10giga version ?
16:25:38midhaarrockerThe 15 gb model, but that's not a difference. And you run rockbox > 2.1?
16:25:49plmno
16:26:04midhaarrockerwhich rockbox version have you flashed?
16:26:07plmit is written : flash version
16:26:32plmit is the firmware included in the flash_rec pack that i uses
16:26:36plmi used
16:27:28midhaarrockerThat should work flawlessly. But note that you can flash rockbox versions >2.1 (maybe some daily builds before, too)
16:28:01plmyep
16:28:04plmbut
16:28:14plmi 'm frightenned
16:28:21plmto have again
16:28:24plmthe same bug.... :'(
16:28:31midhaarrockerBut nevertheless I doubt that the firmware is causing your problem. While the recorder is connected to the pc rockbox doesn't have any control over the drive.
16:29:03midhaarrockerAfter disconnecting it reload the directory to investigate it for changes.
16:29:10plmso where is the source of the problem?
16:30:13midhaarrockerI suspect it somewhere in your drivers / drive settings. Maybe some data wasn't written cleanly. But the eject process should take care of that. And that's what you did, so I don't really know.
16:30:14plmand why my archos don't have this problem before be flashed
16:30:52plm:'((((
16:30:53midhaarrockerI wouldn't be surprised if it was nothing but coincedence that your filesystem broke when you changed to the flashed firmware.
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16:31:29plmi will try again with the 2.1 version... and pray God preserve my data...
16:31:32midhaarrockerAnd there is the worst case, that your drive is broken.
16:32:04midhaarrockerOh, yes: I hope your batteries were full? Strange things happen, when they're not.
16:32:17plmin fact
16:32:31plmmy archos is in charging mode too
16:32:51plmit is a security to not have battery problem
16:32:59midhaarrocker:)
16:33:17plmbut in my case, it is with no effect... :(
16:33:37midhaarrockerBut even when the charger is connected to the unit it may misbehave if batteries are drained or broken.
16:33:52midhaarrockerThe charger doesn't provide enough power to run the device entirely.
16:33:58plmhey !!!!!
16:34:01plmI know !!!
16:34:04midhaarrockerok
16:34:08midhaarrockerJust making sure.
16:34:11plmno
16:34:18plmi mean
16:34:30plmi know where the problem could be
16:34:43plmi change my batteries
16:35:01plmit is now a 1600mAH version
16:35:09plmand not a 1500mAH
16:35:19plmyou think it is the reason ?
16:35:23midhaarrockerI have 1800mAH, that per se is not a problem
16:35:41plmhmmm :(
16:35:45midhaarrocker(unless you change the batteries while operating the drive) :)
16:36:21plmno !!!
16:36:23plmnever :)
16:37:01plmgrrr there's not good news for me today....
16:37:07plmso thx a lot for speaking
16:37:09midhaarrockerI'd try to remove the drivers you installed and let xp detect the drive. I'd let it use it's own drivers, they work fine for me, no updates needed.
16:37:23plmok
16:37:36plmI will try this right now
16:37:56plmmy datas is backuped
16:37:58midhaarrockerbest wishes of luck
16:38:14plmbut i hope nobody will have the bad surprise I had
16:38:19plmthx !!! :)
16:38:31midhaarrockeryou're welcome
16:40:59plmI created .rvf files
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16:41:10plmcan i put them any place ?
16:41:14midhaarrockeryes
16:41:23plmwhere ?
16:42:08midhaarrockere.g. <your_jukebox_drive_letter>:\movies ? Just a suggestion
16:42:27plmit is not what i mean..
16:42:30plmthere is a ftp
16:42:38webmind:\
16:42:39webmind?
16:42:43plmwhere i can upload them ?
16:42:50webminddrive letter ?
16:43:19midhaarrockerwebmind yes.
16:43:38webminda /me not following ?
16:43:41plmit is not for me.. but for others archos users
16:43:56plmi talk about public ftp
16:44:10midhaarrockerplm: I don't know wether rockbox.se hosts any video files
16:44:11plmi talk about a archos public ftp
16:44:25plmoki.....
16:44:33midhaarrockerI guess you have to host them somewhere else. You're on your own with that.
16:44:57plmexcuse me for my stupid questions....
16:45:53plm;)
16:45:55midhaarrockerunasked questions are the stupid ones :)
16:48:31plmi have to rebbot to uninstall archos driver
16:48:37plmgood bye
16:48:37webmindi removed the batteries and now my archos won't work anymore.. what is the problem?
16:48:40plmthx again
16:48:43webmindand what about that one? :)
16:49:31midhaarrockerI swallowed my jukebox and now it rumbles in my guts.
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17:03:07Timbelshello!
17:04:01Timbelsany of the programmes around?
17:05:50Timbelsprogrammes = programmers
17:06:36*midhaarrocker is only occasionally programming something for rockbox
17:08:26Timbelsah
17:08:34Timbelstime for 1 question?
17:08:44Timbelsi see rockbox has .txt suport
17:08:50webmindyes
17:08:54Timbelsi already saw a request to add .nfo suport
17:09:09webmindowh.. thought you wanted .pdf ;_
17:09:10webmind;)
17:09:10Timbelsactually nfo is just a txt file
17:09:12Timbelslol
17:09:12Timbels;)
17:09:31Timbelsso is it possible to make that function with txt viewer?>
17:09:41webmindthink so
17:09:42Timbelsshould be possible i think?
17:09:45webmindshould be small patch
17:09:48Timbelsyep
17:09:49midhaarrockerThere's a discussion in progress about technologies that enable you to use a plugin (eg a viewer) with any kind of file.
17:10:03Timbelsyes
17:10:22Timbelsbut nfo is veryy common with mp3 use
17:10:30Timbelsits just a text file with some comments about the release
17:10:34Timbelsinfo about the artist
17:10:35Timbelsetc
17:10:36webmindonly i certain scenes
17:10:40Timbelsyep
17:10:43Timbelsthats correct
17:10:45webmindi=in
17:10:53webmindi never add an nfo file
17:11:05Timbelsbut i happen to have a lot that will be automaticly be copyed when i copy whole dirs
17:11:13webmindjust correctly add id3tag and put info in filenames
17:11:13Timbelswould be kewl to view those on the road
17:11:14Timbelsimo
17:11:15Timbels;)
17:11:20webmindok
17:11:23midhaarrockerBut those changes that are being discussed enable you to associate *.nfo files with the viewer plugin.
17:11:33webmindok
17:11:36Timbelsic
17:11:42Timbelsyep
17:11:59Timbelsthats more like windows does with "unkown" file types
17:13:20Timbelswell anyway, that wqas just my little question
17:13:33Timbelsdon't think its to difficult for one of the programmers to do
17:13:38Timbelsand i would like it a lot
17:15:03midhaarrockerI suppose they do it anyways. They like it a lot, too.
17:15:13Timbelsa kewl
17:15:35Timbelsthis all is new to me
17:15:45Timbelsi heard about rockbox from other people
17:16:00Timbelsfriend of mine has a jukebox and i think i will get it from him tonight
17:16:04Timbelsto use
17:16:14Timbelsu still use/like it midhaarrocker?
17:23:37midhaarrockeryes, and I extend it, too.
17:24:33midhaarrockerI must go now
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21:39:32tboyehm does someone have a the rockbox tools compiled
21:39:38tboyon a windows machine
21:41:54tboyor for a windows pc
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22:00:02tboyi get a problem while compiling rb
22:00:25tboyit doesn't seem to find convbdf
22:00:45tboyalthough I got it in the tools dir
22:01:40tboycan someone help
22:02:37tboywell I solved it
22:02:50tboyit seems like the makefile configure produced
22:03:16tboydoesn't go to the root of the rockbox source dir
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22:07:36tboycan I ask you something
22:08:10quelsaruktry
22:08:11quelsaruk:)
22:08:23tboyisn't there a command wich can reverse the compiling
22:08:26tboyafter I did it
22:08:37tboy;) hope you get the msg
22:08:50tboysomething like make -x
22:08:50quelsaruki don't understand you
22:08:52quelsaruk:(
22:08:59tboyx standing for some letter
22:09:11tboysee after I compile rockbox
22:09:19quelsarukahhh
22:09:32quelsarukget a source code from a compiled rockbox?
22:09:45tboyI want to go back so I don't have to put upp a new tarball everytime
22:09:55tboythere should be such a command
22:09:57tboymake -r
22:10:01tboyor something
22:10:11quelsaruk....
22:10:17tboyI used to know it
22:10:22quelsarukmake clean?
22:10:26tboyahh
22:10:30tboythats what it was
22:10:31tboythx man
22:10:35tboy;D
22:10:44quelsarukit's friday night.. don't make my neurons work to hard ;)
22:10:53tboysorry man, ;D
22:11:19tboyjust found a bug in the windows cygwin rb setup
22:11:56tboythe makefile wich gets produced doesn't link to the tools dir correctly
22:14:31quelsaruk:)
22:29:50quelsaruklogbot: seen midhaarrocker
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22:50:22quelsaruklogbot ignores me :(
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23:33:08Guest57hi all
23:33:15Doggerhey anyone know much about imageMagick convert?
23:33:53Guest57Is there some guy with time and enough C-knowlegde to Add support for .lnk file ( at least for the directory)
23:34:18Guest57if someone is volunteer I have some sample c code to manage .lnk file
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23:35:41Guest57hi, I m back ,so is there some volunteer
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