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#rockbox log for 2004-01-20

00:00:22midknight2k3track: i know you'll read this, your email is once again blocked
00:00:23[IDC]Dragonbut a simulator with assembler is not bad!
00:00:49[IDC]DragonToo bad I don't know DSP stuff
00:01:01[IDC]Dragonthe ASM code seems a real mess to me
00:01:33Zagoryeah, i think i'll pass on it too :)
00:02:07[IDC]Dragonany DSP hacker in the Rockbox community?
00:02:36Zagormaybe bluechip wants to have a go at it.
00:02:46Bagderlinus said he'd mail him
00:02:55Zagorok
00:04:01[IDC]DragonI don't expect much from the download feature of the MAS
00:04:24[IDC]Dragonjust WAV playback and internal bitswap would be great already
00:05:34midknight2k3bye people
00:06:02 Quit midknight2k3 ("sudden death")
00:06:05[IDC]Dragonheh, there's even some german in the example code
00:08:11[IDC]Dragonthe sim really works
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00:19:55Zagoryikes, the 3507 is 12 years old!
00:20:19[IDC]Dragongot gray hair
00:20:34Zagorhi Linus
00:21:04Bagderrumours say linus has so little hair he now uses glue on his head! ;-P
00:21:13LinusN:-)
00:21:27*Zagor feels he missed an inside joke
00:22:01*LinusN fell through the bottom of a bed and had to glue together a cut in his head
00:22:05[IDC]Dragonthe MAS has a very small address space, maybe something useful _does_ fit in the download region
00:22:13Zagorouch
00:22:16[IDC]Dragonthe internal ROM seems to be small
00:22:27LinusNthe bed was 2 meters high
00:22:35ZagorOUCH
00:22:39LinusNand Smilla and Rasmus fell too
00:22:49LinusNblood all over
00:22:56LinusNambulance to the hospital
00:23:01[IDC]Dragonuh oh
00:23:20LinusNsmilla looked like Rocky 4
00:24:12LinusNfyi, we are all well now, no serious injuries
00:24:26LinusNthe mas dox are interesting indeed
00:24:33Zagori guessed so, from the fact that you're here :)
00:24:50Zagoryeah, they are
00:25:02LinusNterribly slow site...
00:25:11LinusNtook some time to pull the files from it
00:25:23Bagderits been rockboxed ;-)
00:25:36LinusNmaybe the site was slashdott...rockboxed :-)
00:25:54[IDC]Dragoncan be as slow as it wants, for _that_ kind of info I don't mind
00:26:14LinusNthis will be a lot of fun
00:26:34[IDC]Dragondone any DSP stuff?
00:26:56LinusNand since the dox were out in the wild, we are home free, methinks
00:27:08LinusNyes, i have done *some* DSP programming
00:27:35ZagorLinusN: well we still can't redistribute it
00:27:45[IDC]Dragonit even has hardware task control!
00:27:52LinusNno, but we can redistribute our source
00:28:06Zagoragreed
00:28:14LinusNand we can write our own assembler
00:28:34[IDC]Dragonthere's one in the simulator
00:28:54LinusNyes, but we shouldn't rely on stolen tools
00:29:20LinusNopen source isn't worth anything if nobody can compile it
00:29:52[IDC]Dragonthe assembled stuff is still readable
00:30:24[IDC]Dragonand I wouldn't mind that kind of object code
00:31:08[IDC]Dragondon't need to assemble it myself
00:32:02wethionHi folks. I'm runninf Debian unstable with the 2.6 kernel. ISD-200 is compiled in, it's a Debian kernel. when I try to start /etc/init.d/hotplug, I get can't syth pci hotplug events usb. suggestions?
00:32:18Bagdernight
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00:32:40LinusNwethion: no idea, sorry
00:32:48LinusNgotta go too, cu folks
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00:33:19Zagorwethion: i never use hotplug myself, i simply have all drivers loaded all the time :) (yeah, i'm lazy)
00:33:29Zagorbut I too run debian and 2.6.1
00:33:59wethionZagor: what drivers do you load? that's my ultimate goal, once I get it working...
00:34:13Zagorehci and usb-storage
00:34:32Zagorehci is for usb2.0
00:34:43Zagoryou'll use uhci or ohci for usb 1.1
00:36:39Chomsky_ Night folks
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00:38:02wethionZagor: fsck. I have usb-storage.ko and all of the (x)hci drivers loaded. when I try and mount sde1 I now get /dev/sde1 is not a valid block device.
00:38:56Zagortry "cat /proc/scsi/scsi" to see which controller it's connected to
00:40:11wethionit's not there, just my HDs and cdrom.
00:40:51Zagorweird. it is connected and powered up, right?
00:41:18Zagortry "cat /proc/bus/usb/devices" and see if you find anything called "archos" or "isd-200" in there
00:41:29wethionZagor: Yes. /var/log/messages reports USB mass storage support is registered.
00:42:28wethionZagor: WTF? there is no devices under /proc/bus/usb
00:42:56Zagorah, you need to mount usbdevfs
00:43:53Zagorthis is becoming a linux howto :)
00:44:57wethionOk, I think this is getting beyond the realm of rockbox and reaching into pure debian hassles. no sweat if you want to drop off at this point. where can I look to get usbdevfs? it's not on my system. neither locate or apropos return any results.
00:45:49[IDC]Dragongoodnight
00:46:07 Quit [IDC]Dragon ()
00:46:08Zagorusbdevfs is part of the kernel. you may get better responses in #debian for some of these questions :-)
00:46:34Zagorespecially the hotplug stuff, which I know next to nothing about
00:47:00wethionZagor: cool enough. thanks much for helping me this far. I'm pretty sure once i get usbdevfs kup and running, I should be ok.. Thanks again.
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01:21:42Phatbl0keHi i was just wondering has it ever been considered to have a go at rockbox for ipod or is it out of the question?
01:23:13Zagorwell the ipodlinux project hasn't been very encouraging
01:23:39Phatbl0keyeah i have been keeping an eye on that too
01:24:01Phatbl0kei was excited when i saw it but after watching the progress im a bit gutted
01:24:40Zagorafaik they still can't play mp3 at 100% speed. and that sort of takes the fun out of it :)
01:26:24Phatbl0keyeah i guess, is it the fact thats its gonna be quite difficult or that noone is working too hard on it
01:34:40Zagori don't know. my uneducated guess is that portalplayer are using a DSP to decode the audio stream, while the linuxipod folks are trying to do it in cpu only.
01:35:25Zagorand portalplayer is one of those nice companies who will only let you know how their chip works if you sign a contract to never release that information, including in your own source code
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02:02:00mjacki think my recorder 20 is screwed. when powering on it just sorta sits there and clicks... bad batteries?
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03:41:05XtremeDevhey anyone here
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03:46:12hardeepXtremeDev: sure
03:46:51XtremeDevcool watsu
03:46:52XtremeDevwatsup
03:47:26XtremeDevi was wondering, do u know if rockbox is gonna get into the av300 series? or is there any open source software for the av300? (like avOS)?
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03:48:32hardeepXtremeDev: I believe Dogger is working on a firmware replacement for the av300
03:48:41XtremeDevawesome, hey dogger u here?
03:48:42hardeepYou can see info at avos.sourceforge.net
03:48:44XtremeDevdoes he have a site?
03:48:54XtremeDevyea avos, thats the one i saw so far, is that it?
03:49:49hardeepthat's all I know about
03:56:12Doggerhey
03:56:28DoggerI have a 1st version bootloader done for the av300 :)
03:56:45DoggerI have several sites
03:58:12DoggerI just got a keyboard for my av300 :)
03:58:18Doggergonna test it in a sec...
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04:07:59Doggeranyone here?
04:12:43XtremeDevyea im here r u ?
04:12:51XtremeDevsry i was away let me know if ur still around
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04:37:31Doggerhey
04:37:40DoggerI just got a pda keyboard to work on my av300!
04:37:41Doggerwoo!
04:39:15XtremeDevwhich pda keyboard?
04:47:33joshNso what all do you have running on the av300?
04:48:13XtremeDevi got a couple movies, mostly mp3s tho
04:48:23XtremeDevi wish there can be firmware to run like gameboy roms or something
04:48:33XtremeDevusing the buttons on the av320 and the joystick that would rock
04:48:54XtremeDevwould make it a gaming device too how awesome
04:49:20DBUGEnqueued KICK XtremeDev
04:49:20XtremeDev12«11Dogger12» hey what other sites do u have for av320 firmware and stuff please
04:50:17XtremeDevanyway im gonna go for now
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05:43:58Doggerhi all,
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07:22:17JesseG2_I noticed that when I tried to run the viewer plugin, and it crashes the player (Archos Jukebox 6000 player), while this doesn't bother me, I just wondered if anybody cared to know.
07:23:16JesseG2_bye
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08:27:37rootcodeyo
08:28:27rootcodeWhere can I find a guide for connecting an Archos jukebox 6000 to my linux pc (Gentoo; Linux 2.6.1)
08:35:14dwihnoI don't think there is any guides...
08:35:26dwihnoIt's rather easy though.
08:35:39dwihnoMake sure you have the ISD200 module loaded
08:36:02dwihnoMaking it automount etc. - I don't know
08:36:17dwihnoif the ISD200 is loaded, it should recognize the archos as a mass storage device.
08:37:14rootcodeok, I see. thanks
08:39:47rootcodewhat are your <opts> for the mp3 player in /etc/fstab
08:42:10dwihnoerhm
08:42:23dwihno0 0 at the end? :)
08:42:35rootcodejust before that
08:42:44dwihnoDon't remember really..
08:42:51dwihnoDoesn't require anything special...
08:42:59dwihnofile system vfat, I think
08:43:02rootcodeso "noatime" should be enough
08:43:20dwihnowhat's that? :)
08:43:30rootcodeincrease of performace ;)
08:43:46rootcodebrb, gonna restart and test it out
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08:49:37rootcodeback
08:50:08rootcodedoes usb_storage have to be included in the kernel?
08:52:11dwihnoSounds reasonable :)
08:52:25dwihnoYou can insert the modules manually.
08:52:51rootcodewell I inserted the module but I still can't find /dev/sda1
08:54:34dwihnoWhat does the kernel say?
08:54:46dwihnoDon't forget the ISD200 stuff
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09:01:37rootcodeLinux version 2.6.1-gentoo (root@netware) (gcc version 3.2.3 20030422 (Gentoo Li nux 1.4 3.2.3-r3, propolice)) #4 Mon Jan 19 23:54:30 UTC 2004
09:01:37rootcodeBIOS-provided physical RAM map:
09:01:37rootcode BIOS-e820: 0000000000000000 - 000000000009fc00 (usable)
09:01:37DBUGEnqueued KICK rootcode
09:01:37rootcode BIOS-e820: 000000000009fc00 - 00000000000a0000 (reserved)
09:01:39rootcode BIOS-e820: 00000000000f0000 - 0000000000100000 (reserved)
09:01:41rootcode BIOS-e820: 0000000000100000 - 0000000017ffc000 (usable)
09:01:43rootcode BIOS-e820: 0000000017ffc000 - 0000000017fff000 (ACPI data)
09:01:45rootcode BIOS-e820: 0000000017fff000 - 0000000018000000 (ACPI NVS)
09:01:47rootcode BIOS-e820: 00000000fec00000 - 00000000fec01000 (reserved)
09:01:49rootcode BIOS-e820: 00000000fee00000 - 00000000fee01000 (reserved)
09:01:53rootcode BIOS-e820: 00000000ffff0000 - 0000000100000000 (reserved)
09:01:55rootcode383MB LOWMEM available.
09:01:57rootcodeOn node 0 totalpages: 98300
09:01:59rootcode DMA zone: 4096 pages, LIFO batch:1
09:02:01rootcode Normal zone: 94204 pages, LIFO batch:16
09:02:03rootcode HighMem zone: 0 pages, LIFO batch:1
09:02:05rootcodeDMI 2.3 present.
09:02:08rootcodeACPI: RSDP (v000 ASUS ) @ 0x000f5f50
09:02:09rootcodeACPI: RSDT (v001 ASUS A7V8X-X 0x42302e31 MSFT 0x31313031) @ 0x17ffc000
09:02:11rootcodeACPI: FADT (v001 ASUS A7V8X-X 0x42302e31 MSFT 0x31313031) @ 0x17ffc0b2
09:02:13rootcodeACPI: BOOT (v001 ASUS A7V8X-X 0x42302e31 MSFT 0x31313031) @ 0x17ffc030
09:02:15rootcodeACPI: MADT (v001 ASUS A7V8X-X 0x42302e31 MSFT 0x31313031) @ 0x17ffc058
09:02:17rootcodeACPI: DSDT (v001 ASUS A7V8X-X 0x00001000 MSFT 0x0100000b) @ 0x00000000
09:02:19rootcodeBuilding zonelist for node : 0
09:02:25rootcodeKernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=linux ro root=303
09:02:27rootcodeInitializing CPU#0
09:02:29rootcodePID hash table entries: 2048 (order 11: 16384 bytes)
09:02:32rootcodeDetected 1834.274 MHz processor.
09:02:33rootcodeUsing tsc for high-res timesource
09:02:35rootcodeConsole: colour VGA+ 80x25
09:02:37rootcodeMemory: 385136k/393200k available (2261k kernel code, 7324k reserved, 827k data, 140k init, 0k highmem)
09:02:39rootcodeChecking if this processor honours the WP bit even in supervisor mode... Ok.
09:02:41rootcodeCalibrating delay loop... 3612.67 BogoMIPS
09:02:43rootcodeDentry cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 262144 bytes)
09:02:46rootcodeInode-cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 5, 131072 bytes)
09:02:47rootcodeMount-cache hash table entries: 512 (order: 0, 4096 bytes)
09:02:49rootcodeCPU: After generic identify, caps: 0383fbff c1c3fbff
09:02:53rootcodedam, can't post all of dmesg in here
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09:06:33rootcodesame error: /dev/sda1 doesn't exist
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09:09:29dwihnoI never had any problems.
09:10:21rootcodeare you on 2.6.x
09:12:59rootcode:o got it working
09:13:46dwihnoWhat did you change?
09:15:00rootcodeI had "auto" as my file system in fstab instead of vfat
09:17:10dwihnohehe
09:17:16dwihnoWups :)
09:23:05dwihnoThe best thing about the recorders must be the ISD300...
09:23:17dwihnoI've connected it to dozens of strange systems without any kind of problems.
09:23:46dwihnoBSD, Linux, Mac, DOS, WinXP, Win2k, Win98... Never had a single problem
09:23:52dwihnoWell, 98 required some driver shiznat...
09:24:11dwihno\o/ mass storage compliance \o/
09:24:48dwihnoI wonder why almost every manufacturer won't obey any kind of standard and require their own software...
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11:19:11c0uttahooray - linus is here
11:19:48LinusN:-)
11:20:27c0uttalinus, you asked me to submit my f2 functionality in incremental patches, correct ?
11:21:48c0uttai have my first diff as patch 877509
11:22:00c0uttai have assigned it to you :)
11:27:18LinusNsaw that
11:27:52LinusNbtw, it is up to us developers to assign
11:28:05c0uttathought it might prompt your memory
11:28:31c0uttai'll be more courteous next time
11:29:09LinusNnp
11:29:24LinusNi'll look into the menu patch asap (been busy lately)
11:30:08c0uttai heard about your bed accident
11:30:39c0uttabusy at hospital
11:31:14LinusNhehe
11:34:41dwihnoc0utta: you've done evil shnafu?
11:34:48dwihnoBed accident? :/
11:36:23LinusNfell trough a 2m high bed, along with my kids, lots of blood, ambulance to Astrid Lindgren's hospital
11:38:33c0uttaseeing your own childrens blood is not nice
11:39:46dwihnoLinusN: Scary... Are you guys all right?
11:40:22LinusNyes, fortunately
11:40:23CtcpIgnored 2 channel CTCP requests in 4 hours and 12 minutes at the last flood
11:40:23*dwihno remembers falling through a 0.5m bed - that hurt like hell as well... I can only imagine the consequences of a 2m fall :/
11:42:34c0uttalinus: because it's so cold, do you guys share the bed with your children ?
11:42:38c0uttaor were you on holiday ?
11:43:29LinusNnah, i read Rasmus a fairy tale in his bed, and Smilla was with us. We fell asleep, and BANG!
11:44:17c0uttaaha
11:44:32c0uttahow do i refresh one file from cvs ?
11:44:46c0uttaand overwrite the existing file ?
11:46:13c0uttadon't worry
11:46:30LinusNremove the file and do "cvs update <filename>"
11:46:33c0uttadelete file and cvs update -dP
11:46:49c0uttata linus
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12:12:51c0uttaa question: when Makefile is generated in the build directory, should it contain the line KEYPAD=
12:14:56LinusNmine doesn't
12:15:10c0uttahmmm
12:15:21LinusNwhich target?
12:15:28c0uttanormal
12:15:34c0uttarecorder
12:15:42LinusNplayer/recorder>/fm recorder/neo?
12:15:44LinusNaha
12:15:51LinusNwin or linux?
12:15:55c0uttawin
12:16:14c0uttaworked ok on the sim
12:18:32LinusNas far as i can see, the keypad= is a sim thing only
12:19:32dwihnoAre there portable Neo's, or are they all just car MP3 players?
12:19:37c0uttahmm, i assumed it was a part of the whole environment
12:20:00LinusNdwihno: car only, afaik
12:20:27LinusNc0utta: no, the keypad selection is done differently in the real targets
12:20:44c0uttaso i need to use HAVE_LCD_BITMAP instead of HAVE_RECORDER_KEYPAD to determine if i have a recorder ?
12:20:49dwihnoLinusN: I was just thinking what happens the day my Archos dies... It would be nice to know a second alternative.
12:21:24LinusNc0utta: both should work, but you are asking the wrong question
12:22:19c0utta??
12:22:30c0utta#ifdef HAVE_RECORDER_KEYPAD doesn't work
12:23:01c0utta#ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP is correct then ?
12:23:42LinusNthe question is: why do you want to know if you have a recorder?
12:25:12c0uttabecause some of the menu changes are only applicable for the recorder
12:26:56LinusNregarding the screen or the keys?
12:27:32c0uttathe screen
12:27:40LinusNyou should always ask for the specific feature (keypad, lcd etc), not for the archos model
12:28:09LinusNin this case, LCD_BITMAP
12:28:47LinusNhowever, HAVE_RECORDER_KEYPAD should work
12:28:59LinusNwhat do you mean by "doesn't work"?
12:30:20c0utta-dHAVE_RECORDER_KEYPAD does not appear in the sh-elf-gcc
12:30:43LinusNno, and that's intentional
12:31:02c0uttaboy, am i confused..
12:31:05LinusNit is defined in firmware/export/config-recorder.h
12:31:42LinusNthere is a config-xxx.h file for each target
12:31:55LinusNbut the simulator target is different
12:36:32c0uttayep, i can see that
12:36:43c0uttaif i add a new .c or .h do i have to do anything ?
12:36:52c0uttai know i do with the simulator
12:37:19LinusNyou don't need to do anything when compiling for real target
12:42:21c0uttai got a successful make
12:42:36LinusNnice
12:42:45c0uttabut shouldn't HAVE_LCD_BITMAP be available ?
12:43:25c0uttai have had to comment it out to get a make
12:43:48LinusNit is defined in firmware/export/config-recorder.h
12:44:21LinusNand even if it wasn't defined, it should still compile
12:45:57c0uttawhat do you recommend when changing target ?
12:46:03c0uttaremove the build directory ?
12:46:11LinusNuse another dir
12:46:29c0uttatoo easy..
12:46:32LinusNi have "recorder", "player" etc
12:46:55LinusN"recorder-sim"
12:46:58LinusNwhatever
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13:17:23LinusNyo
13:18:50quelsaruk:)
13:24:29c0uttai have worked out how to get a user menu on F2 but keep the quick screens as they are
13:24:43c0uttaeasy really - well written code
13:24:57c0uttaby Björn
13:44:45LinusNhow did you solve it?
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13:45:42c0uttaif you hold down f2, then press left you'll get both buttons
13:45:56c0uttabutton_f2 | button_left
13:46:19c0uttabut if you just have button_f2 | button_rel
13:46:27c0uttathis means you want the user menu
13:46:47LinusNok
13:47:43c0uttai'm also thinking about button_f2 | button_repeat
13:47:57c0uttaat the moment, a long press of f2 will cancel the menu
13:49:00c0uttai think this is wrong. if you press f2 and release it before pressing another key you should get the menu
13:49:15c0uttaregardless of how long you've held down f2
13:50:21LinusNabsolutely
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14:05:58c0uttalinus, i won't release the next patch until you've approved the previous one
14:06:15c0uttai'm not used to cvs yet and am concerned about stuffing things up
14:06:30LinusNi see, i'll look into it asap
14:06:36c0uttai'd prefer my patch to be committed
14:07:00c0uttano pressure either. i am probably 5 days away from releasing the next patch
14:07:07LinusNok
14:07:24c0uttatake your time, and provide me with criticism where required
14:07:42c0uttaremember my c programming is >10 years now
14:07:54c0uttavery rusty
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14:41:07gzis there any way to safely remove that warranty-seal? or to get a new one somewhere?
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14:43:52LinusNgz: i have heard of people using a hair dryer or hot-air gun
14:44:51LinusN"safely" :-)
14:45:01gzLinusN, that's what I did but to no real avail. or my hair dryer isn't just hot enough. and i don't know where my hot-air gun is. And i don't want to loose my guarantee on day one, but filling that harddrive with 10gb won't be much fun.
14:45:10gzanyhow i'll have to wait one hour before i can use it
14:46:01LinusNno usb2?
14:46:12gzJukebox Recorder 15
14:46:36gzdont think so. but 169 euro :)
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14:54:02LinusNgz: i don't remember, but as far as i know, rec15 could still have usb2.0, depending on the age of the hardware
14:55:28gzreally? interessting, mine is brand new, but it was advertised as 1.1 iirc
14:56:26gz"...transfer rates up to 1MB/s ..."
14:56:45LinusNon the box?
14:56:49gzjep
14:57:26gzjukebox recorder 20 does have usb 2.0, but costs 100 euro more
14:57:39LinusNwhich windows version?
14:58:36gzXP. hey i haven't even plugged it in!
14:58:51gzit's still doing its initial charging. just got the thing
14:59:51LinusNi think you will notice if it is 1.1 or 2.0 when you connect it
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15:00:07LinusNif you need to install the driver, it is 1.1
15:00:17LinusNif you don't it's 2.0
15:00:20gzi think so, too :) my brother bought the same one a few days ago and it did just about 800kb/s writing+
15:02:31gzit needs drivers
15:03:01LinusNtoo bad :-(
15:03:13gzyep, but cheap
15:03:25LinusNyup
15:03:38dwihnoRecorder to the people \o/
15:04:44gzi should wait+fully charge it before i store my data on it, shouldn't i?
15:05:22LinusNi think the batteries may like it that way
15:05:51LinusNand a sustained multi-gigabyte copy may drain the batteries, even if the charger is connected
15:06:51gzthat's what i've read, too. that's the 2nd reason why i wanted to remove the HD, in order to plug it directly into my pc & copy in 30 mins instead of 5 hrs
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15:07:38gzbtw, i installed those cyprpess-drivers. are they really better somehow?
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15:11:19LinusNpeople claim that they are
15:11:37LinusNwatch out for the latest version though
15:14:24gzyou don't happen to know the official link ? I've found 5.16 somewhere
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15:16:18gzargh i didnt look closely enough i found it
15:16:38LinusNi gotta go, cu around
15:16:50gzcu!
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15:40:47gzstrange, 5mb unallocated space on my hd...
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17:33:10gzwhy does rockbox-flash always say "no image" if i play on a .ucl ?
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17:55:35gzok got it
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21:55:33gzFaq->Q22: HD Protection. The Cypress USB-Driver offers a hd-password option. Maybe that's the cause for most people?
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22:01:26Zagor!? it does?
22:01:58Zagorany help/manual/description for it?
22:03:56Zagorelinenbe: are you here? i'm looking at your bug report in the mailing list jan 8. it says "locks on loading screen" after USB is connected. how do you get a loading screen while connected to usb???
22:09:36gzzagor, err, dunno. haven't found one yet, haven't had a look on it. it's cypress usb driver 5.16
22:11:32gz"Protection prevents anyone from reading or writing to your device until the drive is unprotected using the correct password"
22:11:59gz"PRotect IC25N015 ATDA04-0 USB Disk"
22:13:09gzand nope there's just some release-notes, no real docs
22:13:17Zagorok, nothing special then. i doubt many people got in trouble because of that.
22:13:44gzjust a thought. you'd to be quite stupid to forget about this, i've to admit
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22:24:10elinenbeZagor: I am here.
22:24:41elinenbeZagor: this is the way it works... I plug into the USB with my recorder off, and then I turn on the recorder... it locks up.
22:24:58elinenbewith the splash("loading") on the screen
22:24:59Zagorare you flashed?
22:25:04elinenbeZagor: yes.
22:25:12Zagorresume: yes or ask?
22:25:37elinenberesume to ON
22:25:44elinenbeI guess YES
22:25:49Zagorok
22:27:11Zagorah, goodie. happens here too.
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22:31:59Zagorhi
22:32:14Quelsaruk:)
22:32:33Quelsaruki have a strange issue that no goat can solve...
22:32:46Quelsaruki suppose it's just my old and damaged box, but...
22:33:24Quelsaruk99% of times i run rockbox, i get the screen upside down (i use a version earlier to the upside down patch)
22:34:03Quelsarukfrom this 99% times... 40% the display is also like a mirror
22:34:12Zagorwow
22:34:36Quelsarukand some times, the display is moved to the right 20px or so
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22:35:14Zagorinteresting... that means we can scroll the display horizontally!
22:35:48Quelsaruki suppose so :)
22:36:10Quelsarukif i boot with the F1 option (rockbox on flash) it always works perfectly
22:36:34Quelsarukand the charging screen (pluging the charger with the box turned off) is also ok
22:36:48Quelsaruki think a debugger god is angry with me
22:36:50Quelsaruk:P
22:37:42Quelsarukany idea on why does this happen?
22:37:55Zagorno clue
22:38:38Quelsarukgreat :)
22:39:18Quelsarukif you where a bit more near i'll send you the box and investigate all my X-files
22:41:12Zagor:)
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22:53:35elinenbeQuelsaruk: I used to get this all the time with my old recorder
22:53:35elinenbeQuelsaruk: but I no longer get this behavior
22:53:35elinenbemy display was upside down and mirrored
22:56:42Quelsarukumm
22:56:45Quelsarukdo you know why?
22:56:50Quelsarukhow did you repair it?
22:56:55Quelsarukhow big was the hammer?
22:56:58Quelsaruk:)
22:57:21elinenbemy archos fell out my window so I got a new one, and that one does not do it!
22:58:03Quelsarukthat's a big hammer
22:58:12Quelsaruk3er floor? 4th?
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22:59:21Quelsaruk[21:58:08] <Quelsaruk> that's a big hammer
22:59:21Quelsaruk[21:58:17] <Quelsaruk> 3er floor? 4th?
22:59:24Quelsaruk:)
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23:00:48Quelsarukanyone here uses cygwin?
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23:04:20Guest57hi all
23:05:05hardeepQuelsaruk: I use cygwin
23:05:19elinenbeQuelsaruk: so do I
23:05:25Guest57I ve some suggestion : put in the cvs tsome patch : like record in current dir, record from F2- menu (up key)
23:06:22Guest57and I also remark that in the last daily build, with the new menu organization there is no more the sleep timer !!
23:06:30Zagorthere is
23:06:49Guest57where ?
23:07:00Quelsarukgreat... hardeep, elinenbe: do you use vim?
23:07:11ZagorGuest57: system settings
23:07:27Guest57ok I ll take a look
23:07:49hardeepQuelsaruk: every now and then
23:07:59QuelsarukAFAIK to add lines and so in vim (at least in the version i used in my red hat box) i used the "insert" button.. but in cygwin..
23:08:57Quelsarukhave i missed something?
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23:09:48hardeepQuelsaruk: I'm not sure about an "insert" button. You can use "o" to create a new line
23:10:18Quelsaruki mean the "insert" key in the keyboard
23:10:21Quelsaruk:)
23:10:37Quelsarukfor example, you want to write some code in a line..
23:11:56hardeepQuelsaruk: Ah, someone probably has setup alternate key bindings for vim on Red Hat. I'm only familiar with the standard keys: "o" to create a new line, "a" to add after cursor, "i" to insert at cursor, etc.
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23:13:54Quelsarukumm
23:13:57Quelsarukprobably
23:13:58Quelsaruk:)
23:14:19Quelsarukyou know.. i was getting crazy, a bit more :)
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23:39:35Zagorelinenbe: fixed
23:43:29elinenbeZagor: just saw that... great!
23:47:17Guest57is there someone that
23:47:59Guest57is there somebody who has any knoledge about bidi reordering for iso arabic text ?
23:48:19Zagorcan't say I do

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