#rockbox 2004-02-07

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#rockbox log for 2004-02-07

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01:27:07	track	hi
01:41:12	scott666	is there anybody out there?
01:41:20	track	hey scott
01:41:27	track	track is here
01:41:28	track	:-)
01:41:32	scott666	my ctrl keys hate me
01:41:48	scott666	one thinks its the power button on my computer
01:41:56	track	oh
01:42:01	scott666	the other opens the calculator and the help menu
01:42:05	track	perhaps your keyboard is buggered
01:42:25	scott666	perhaps
01:42:36	scott666	i dont have another to test with though
01:42:50	track	lol
01:42:55	track	i wish midknight was here
01:43:07	scott666	hes idle
01:43:21	track	ea
01:43:22	track	yea
01:45:23	track	Scott do u have a digital camera?
01:45:47	scott666	yeah
01:46:07	track	Do you ever use the digital zoom?
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01:47:18	*	scott666 unplugged the keyboard
01:49:46	scott666	ok, its the keyboard
01:49:51	scott666	just tested on the laptop
01:51:17	track	hi
01:53:19	track	do u use the digital zoom in ur camera?
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02:01:22		Nick edx{off} is now known as edx (edx@pD9EABB08.dip.t-dialin.net)
02:03:17	midk\|bbs	hi
02:03:24		Nick midk\|bbs is now known as midknight2k3 (Zakk@AC892A1A.ipt.aol.com)
02:05:30	track	hey midknight
02:05:32	track	hows u?
02:05:37	midknight2k3	good
02:05:42	midknight2k3	track: i never use the digital zoom
02:05:49	track	me neither
02:05:58	midknight2k3	unless i must... my camera only allows it if i switch to .3MP mode
02:06:04	track	do all the digital zooming in photoshop
02:06:08	track	otherwise I use the optical zoom
02:06:10	midknight2k3	so its very nice quality but simply small res
02:06:13	track	yea
02:06:14	midknight2k3	optical yay
02:06:16	midknight2k3	i hace 6x optical
02:06:18	midknight2k3	have*
02:06:19	track	;-)
02:06:25	track	how many megapixels is ur camera?
02:06:47	midknight2k3	3.2
02:06:55	track	mine is just 2 megapixels
02:07:01	track	but the quality is very good
02:07:07	midknight2k3	yaeh
02:07:09	midknight2k3	yeah
02:07:25	track	;-
02:07:27	track	;-)
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03:03:20	midknight2k3	hi AciD
03:03:31	AciD	hi
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03:30:45	midknight2k3	JESUS CRP
03:33:24	webmind	?
03:33:38	midknight2k3	i have 2.8GB in my c:\rvf folder
03:33:55	midknight2k3	thats all my converted AVI to YUV then to RVF and some WAV and MP3 mixed in
03:33:59	midknight2k3	just a few WAVs
03:34:05	webmind	ah
03:34:06	midknight2k3	one AVI is 160MB
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03:52:29	midknight2k3	hi sWampy
03:52:58	sWampy	hey, just got a recorder from amazon today and am checking out rockbox.
03:53:45	midknight2k3	yay
03:53:52	midknight2k3	how much was it?
03:54:13	sWampy	199-50rebate so 149 I guess.
03:56:01	sWampy	trying to figure out if I should flash it, do you have to hold down on for as long to get it to cut on if you flash it? You have to hold the on button on till the progress bar starts to flash or it cuts itself off.
03:56:41	midknight2k3	no
03:56:43	midknight2k3	you just have to press it
03:56:55	midknight2k3	but if you flash it only takes about 3-4 seconds to boot
03:57:06	sWampy	hmm, wonder if mine if broke.
03:57:21	midknight2k3	which model?
03:57:58	sWampy	hmm says jukebox recorder 20 v2.
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03:58:15	midknight2k3	v2 eh
03:58:18	midknight2k3	and you have to hold it?
03:59:37	sWampy	yes, it's wierd, you push it and red and green lights come on, screen lights up, display starts to show progress bar, and if you let go of on button before it gets like 1/4 of the way across, it cuts itself back off.
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04:01:09	midknight2k3	humm
04:01:20	midknight2k3	well it should fix that
04:02:29	sWampy	how do you back up the eeprom so if it doesn't I can flash it back and return it for exchange?
04:04:51	midknight2k3	you do Menu->info->debug->dump rom contents
04:04:59	midknight2k3	i'm here to help if you want it
04:05:59	sWampy	I just found that, I had read the instructions 3 times and someway I guess I was just skimming and remember seeing make sure you backup, but not remembering it saying how to till I really read them. ;-/
04:06:36	midknight2k3	no problem
04:06:39	midknight2k3	like i said, glad to help
04:06:43	midknight2k3	:)
04:09:08	sWampy	any suggestions on the best way to organize songs, at first I had artist/song.mp3 and had like 700 artists, and the directory over flowed, so I divided them like a-e/f-m/n-Z or something. Is something like that what most people do, is there a better way, or can you bump the max number of directories up. First time I had to worry about 20gigs of mp3's in one device. ;-)
04:10:04	midknight2k3	ok well
04:10:07	midknight2k3	i'd recommend
04:10:28	midknight2k3	genre->artist->album->XX - song.mp3
04:10:54	midknight2k3	perhaps an A-L and M-Z category for the genre subfolders if you must
04:14:43	sWampy	hmm I should work on my genre's, right now mine are messed up, 2 genre's rock/metal/pop and rap/hiphop/r&b, and very few complete even nearly complete albums.
04:15:11	midknight2k3	try all of them organized then
04:15:23	midknight2k3	rock, metal, pop, rap, hip-hop, r&b
04:15:28	midknight2k3	then artist
04:15:30	midknight2k3	then song.mp3
04:15:31	midknight2k3	tada
04:15:35	midknight2k3	YAY this is funny
04:15:41	midknight2k3	you can watch vids on your archos :)
04:16:16	sWampy	I wish I had had the bucks to buy the color 60 gig thing with camera and tv tunner. ;-)
04:16:37	midknight2k3	you dont need one to watch video clips
04:16:44	midknight2k3	and it doesnt have a tv tuner
04:16:51	midknight2k3	nor does it include a camera
04:16:56	sWampy	I have a couple of seasons of futurama for my gba.
04:17:11	midknight2k3	you can port them to rockbox format and watch them
04:17:21	sWampy	their website used to show a tuner addon.
04:17:32	midknight2k3	odd. they don't make one
04:18:37	sWampy	before the one with the camera addon came out they were saying it could play music/videos/take still shots/film movies/act like a tivo.
04:19:29	midknight2k3	you can play music and videos, and you can take pictures and film movies. but no tv tuner (which is a TV reciever) and no TiVo
04:20:39	sWampy	portable pvr would rock.
04:22:34	midknight2k3	yeah
04:23:11	sWampy	plug it in at night, it records your shows to watch on the way to and from work, or even better at work. ;-)
04:23:26	midknight2k3	thats actually pretty neat sounding
04:24:20	sWampy	the press release made it sound like it was going to be able to, well maybe next version.
04:24:56	midknight2k3	yay tastey
04:25:30	sWampy	for $149 this thing is pretty amazing.
04:25:54	midknight2k3	and it can do videos
04:25:56	midknight2k3	in grayscale
04:26:06	midknight2k3	even though its a black/white lcd HA
04:26:15	midknight2k3	da daddum
04:26:16	midknight2k3	dumm dum
04:26:19	midknight2k3	music to video
04:28:00	sWampy	is there a search plugin? where you can search for a word in a song title?
04:29:59	midknight2k3	sadly not officially
04:30:22	sWampy	unofficially?
04:30:48	midknight2k3	there is a patch for it i believe
04:31:42	sWampy	ahh, that looks like it would be a hand feature.
04:31:58	sWampy	handy even.
04:32:09	midknight2k3	really even
04:32:14	midknight2k3	REALLY EVEN OMG TASTY
04:32:18	midknight2k3	i have issues so ignore them
04:32:23	sWampy	that and play random.
04:32:44	midknight2k3	shuffle is there for you
04:33:33	sWampy	just shuffle random song from anywhere on the drive? or do you have to keep a playlist with all songs listed and play it shuffled?
04:35:56	midknight2k3	you can make a playlist of all the songs on the drive very easily- just do menu, playlist options, then "create playlist"
04:36:02	midknight2k3	make sure you're at the root when you do
04:36:11	midknight2k3	takes anywhere from 30 secs to 5 mins or so
04:36:15	midknight2k3	it will show your progres
04:37:02	sWampy	right I figured that out and then when you played it, with shuffle on you got any random song. Just wondered if there was a mode where it just played random songs without making the playlist. ;-)
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04:37:18	midknight2k3	hey dids
04:37:53	midknight2k3	sWampy: not really, it's designed for shuffling the playlist being used or if none in use, the dir you're in
04:40:21	sWampy	yeah.
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04:46:32	midknight2k3	aagh
04:46:35	midknight2k3	sorry back
04:49:48	midknight2k3	godd
04:49:54	midknight2k3	JUST MAP IT OUT ALREADY
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07:47:57	midknight2k3	oh god
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09:23:48	midknight2k3	nite all
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14:25:44	pagan	if i want to replace my 6GB hard drive, up to what size can the new one be?
14:35:41	pagan	is there any difference, as for this matter, between the models with 6GB and those with 20?
14:35:50	pagan	or between the player and the recorder?
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14:41:06	sWampy	what's it mean if when you run firmware_flash.rock it says wrong plugin? And how do i find the right one?
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17:05:57	Wurst	hi
17:06:29	Wurst	i have a recorder running todays rockbox daily build... i cant record via extern microphone - can anybody help?
17:07:54	Wurst	?
17:08:03	_alex	what happen ? no sound ?
17:08:26	Wurst	no - just the built in micro works
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17:09:32	_alex	in "Source" you specify "Line In" ?
17:09:39	Wurst	yes
17:10:32	_alex	the recorded file is silence ?
17:11:27	_alex	(recorded file are now in "/recordings" directory or in current dir)
17:12:45	Wurst	its silent... i also cant hear anything while recording (i can when recording via intern micro)
17:13:37	_alex	I don't know what's wrong
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17:17:43	MT	Wurst: what kind of microphone
17:17:44	MT	mm
17:17:45	MT	nm
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18:26:51	pagan	so, can anyone tell me what's the upper limit of a drive's capacity in archaos 6000?
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18:29:29	_aLF	pagan> I think that you can put a 60Go if you want
18:29:56	pagan	does it depend on the hardware or firmware?
18:30:11	_aLF	only hardware
18:30:43	pagan	ok, thanks alot
18:30:52	top_bloke	dont they have 80 Gb drives too?
18:31:50	_aLF	yes
18:32:00	swampy1	is there a site with a bunch of example wps files?
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21:17:22	NickeT	this video player stuff, what's the benefit of that, i.e. like in JBRFM...
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21:18:04	track	hiya
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21:22:44	NickeT	is flashing of jbrfm "safe", is that stuff stable enough nowadays?
21:34:03	_aLF	look in the mailing list
21:34:23	_aLF	I flashed my FM recorder without problem
21:44:15	NickeT	... and after flashing, does all the things work properly ?
21:49:23	_aLF	yes
21:49:55	_aLF	even if the flashed version doesn't work, you can still run archos orginal firmware
21:49:59	_aLF	without F1+On
21:50:04	_aLF	with F1+On
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22:00:34	track	hi
22:01:00	track	zagor
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22:16:29	c0utta	hi zagor
22:21:34	Zagor	hi
22:23:27	c0utta	i understand you don't like the use of typedefs in rockbox
22:23:46	c0utta	i'm using:
22:23:48	c0utta	typedef bool (PFB)(char);
22:42:35	Zagor	i'm ok with typedefs for function pointers
22:42:57	Zagor	but call it something more descriptive than PFB
22:43:02	Zagor	;)
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22:52:03	track_	hi Zagor
22:52:05	track_	:_)
22:52:06	track_	:)
22:52:35	track_	whats new/
22:52:36	track_	?
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23:03:45	track_	Zagor how do you use audio for the video playback now?>
23:07:33	Zagor	i haven't tried it yet
23:08:38	track_	ok no problems
23:09:03	track_	I bought a TV tuner card today. Really handy to have
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23:14:29	track_	hi Scott
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23:43:54	[IDC]Dragon	Hi Zagor, you there?
23:44:43	Zagor	yup
23:45:08	[IDC]Dragon	Hardeep had a "customer" with HD problems
23:45:32	[IDC]Dragon	it went away when not using the assembly code in ata.c
23:45:42	Zagor	yeah, i heard
23:45:52	Zagor	how bad does that impact your video player?
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23:45:54	[IDC]Dragon	but how can the code be "too fast"?
23:46:12	[IDC]Dragon	could the bus timing be too aggressive?
23:46:32	[IDC]Dragon	for some PIO mode we use
23:46:41	Zagor	i don't know, really. i haven't looked into it.
23:47:11	Zagor	have you looked in the ata spec? is there any mention of bus timing?
23:47:20	[IDC]Dragon	Linus once fixed some problem with waitstates, for the recording code.
23:47:36	[IDC]Dragon	I'm no ATA expert
23:48:07	[IDC]Dragon	dunno which PIO mode we pretend
23:50:07	[IDC]Dragon	I'd be surprized to find something in the spec like: you can do this bus timing, but don't read too often.
23:50:36	Zagor	but there has to be something like it. the ata devices are not infinitely fast.
23:50:59	[IDC]Dragon	Sure. The bus has to have a certain timing.
23:51:19	[IDC]Dragon	I suspect this timing to be too agressive.
23:51:26	Zagor	very possible
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23:51:56	[IDC]Dragon	I can't imagine that we're not allowed to read back to back while the bus timing is OK.
23:52:46	[IDC]Dragon	Meaning, it shoudn't be possible that the software reads "too fast".
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23:56:04	c0utta	guys, with the win32 sim, is there any reason why files are being created as readonly ?
23:58:24	[IDC]Dragon	afk
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