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00:26:40 | LaurentG | cu all |
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00:56:16 | ricflair | ive noticed that the jukebox seems to be dead of power when the power indicater has it at about half full. Strange |
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01:41:52 | midk | TOPS |
01:42:27 | top_bloke | yo word |
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02:23:00 | omario | hey all |
02:23:08 | midk | yo yo yo |
02:23:15 | omario | anyone own a 20gb archos here? |
02:23:23 | midk | model? |
02:23:41 | omario | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000T1R4O/qid=1082506672/sr=1-5/ref=sr_1_5/104-0905932-9899126?v=glance&s=electronics |
02:23:52 | omario | IT doesn't seem to have a radio? |
02:24:12 | midk | v2? |
02:24:24 | omario | whatever one that is.. |
02:24:33 | omario | "Archos 20 GB USB 2.0 MP3 Jukebox Recorder |
02:24:39 | omario | I can't seem to find a version number.. |
02:24:57 | top_bloke | is it V2? |
02:25:20 | omario | how can I tell? |
02:26:00 | top_bloke | uh |
02:26:15 | top_bloke | i guess it doesnt matter anyway |
02:26:19 | omario | I mean.. I don't own it, but I'm thinking of buying one.. |
02:26:40 | top_bloke | oh |
02:26:48 | top_bloke | well theyre both good |
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02:27:11 | omario | just wondering.. the one I'm thinking of buying - doe sit have a radio? |
02:27:17 | top_bloke | n |
02:27:20 | top_bloke | no |
02:27:21 | midk | sec |
02:27:24 | top_bloke | unless it says FM |
02:27:29 | midk | tops |
02:27:34 | midk | or maybe if its a v3 |
02:27:35 | midk | er |
02:27:38 | midk | v2 |
02:28:16 | top_bloke | haha |
02:28:18 | top_bloke | v3 |
02:28:28 | top_bloke | but recent v2s dont have radio |
02:28:30 | omario | lol, I was kinda hoping there was some way to hack it up to have an FM radio.. like stick an antenna on it :P |
02:28:37 | top_bloke | lol |
02:29:19 | midk | omario: it's a possibility |
02:29:21 | omario | I had a few general questions though... |
02:29:27 | omario | lol, that would be cool :P |
02:29:39 | omario | One thing I was wondering is how it holds up to like.. runnign with it |
02:30:58 | top_bloke | probably not recommended |
02:31:20 | top_bloke | it spins up like very 2 min |
02:31:32 | top_bloke | gah i cant get sim to test the rock |
02:32:15 | omario | but.. for something less bumpy.. like wlaking it would be ok? |
02:32:16 | top_bloke | says like E:\tetris.rock is not a valid windows image |
02:32:20 | top_bloke | yeah |
02:37:27 | omario | at $129.. worth it? |
02:37:52 | top_bloke | hell yeah |
02:37:57 | top_bloke | BUY IT NOW |
02:38:09 | top_bloke | thats like free |
02:38:15 | top_bloke | you can toss it if u dont like it |
02:38:20 | omario | lmao ok |
02:38:27 | omario | so.. with rockboxx I can get games? |
02:38:32 | midk | no you can give it to ME if you dont like it |
02:38:33 | top_bloke | hell yeah |
02:38:40 | midk | yes tetris, snake, wormlet, star |
02:38:44 | midk | othelo |
02:38:46 | top_bloke | were working on improved teteis! |
02:38:56 | top_bloke | tetris |
02:39:06 | midk | very hush hush |
02:39:48 | omario | sweet lol |
02:39:51 | top_bloke | oh crap |
02:39:53 | top_bloke | i blew it |
02:40:00 | top_bloke | i blew the cover |
02:40:10 | omario | don't worry, I won't tell :P |
02:40:12 | midk | *pulls out gun |
02:40:15 | midk | move along move along |
02:40:56 | top_bloke | lol |
02:41:05 | omario | lmao |
02:41:09 | top_bloke | this sim stuff takes so long |
02:41:33 | top_bloke | i could have USB'd like 5 times by now |
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07:10:12 | dwihno | Welcome back \o/ |
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07:26:17 | LinusN | hola |
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07:38:38 | [IDC]Dragon | good morning earlybirds! |
07:40:22 | dwihno | bueno |
07:40:35 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: I've finally fixed my mp3 clips switch problem. |
07:41:54 | [IDC]Dragon | mp3_play_pause() is evil, the pause via SCR0 eats data. |
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08:01:16 | ze | hmm |
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08:35:36 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: like we suspected |
08:36:49 | dwihno | Are there any good ways to make automated backups (revision-based would be nice too) in a *nix environment? |
08:40:01 | LinusN | of course |
08:40:12 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: but I haven't touched mp3_playback.c to change the pauseplay, instead I kicked mp3_play_pause() out of shutup() and instead disable/enable the DMA. |
08:40:49 | midk | shutup() LOL |
08:41:28 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: nasty |
08:41:42 | [IDC]Dragon | I know |
08:41:59 | dwihno | LinusN: I wouldn't mind a pointer or a tip :) |
08:42:28 | LinusN | dwihno: just to back up your personal files, or? |
08:43:13 | dwihno | LinusN: Nah, complete company backups. |
08:43:35 | LinusN | http://www.amanda.org/ |
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08:45:23 | dwihno | LinusN: it has revision support? |
08:49:31 | LinusN | i dunno |
08:49:47 | LinusN | why is date not good enough? |
08:49:54 | mattzz | str_vrc_fcode_for, |
08:49:54 | mattzz | |
08:50:06 | mattzz | ooops |
08:50:58 | mattzz | [IDC]Dragon: check out mattzz.dyndns.org/twiki/bin/view/Projects/RockBox">http://mattzz.dyndns.org/twiki/bin/view/Projects/RockBox :o) |
08:51:58 | LinusN | c0000000l |
08:52:25 | LinusN | commit! commit! commit! |
08:52:26 | midk | ooh lemme see |
08:52:29 | midk | what what what |
08:52:32 | midk | what is it |
08:52:32 | midk | WHAT |
08:53:09 | midk | WHOA |
08:53:12 | midk | nice! |
08:53:33 | LinusN | apfelmännchen! |
08:53:38 | midk | can this be downloaded? |
08:53:49 | mattzz | LinusN: you can find the source at mattzz.dyndns.org/archos/">http://mattzz.dyndns.org/archos/ (I dont have access to CVS) |
08:54:12 | mattzz | LinusN: or I can commit it to patchtracker |
08:54:26 | LinusN | mattzz: why is is a separate plugin? |
08:55:01 | [IDC]Dragon | mattzz: I saw it yesterday, have it running already, nice. |
08:55:14 | mattzz | LinusN: because of the grayscale framework overhead. It is about three times slower than the b&w version |
08:55:31 | LinusN | can't they be in the same source file, with some options? |
08:55:33 | [IDC]Dragon | I still would replace the b/w |
08:55:46 | LinusN | grayscale: on/off |
08:56:29 | mattzz | I agree on replacing the b/w version. I dont have a key left for options ;-) |
08:57:14 | midk | trying it now |
08:57:19 | midk | OOOOOOOH |
08:57:21 | [IDC]Dragon | mattzz: I saw you and amiconn in IRC, but could not participate. I was behind a network split. (Whatever that is) |
08:57:30 | midk | nice job mattzz |
08:57:35 | mattzz | thanks |
08:57:38 | midk | very cool |
08:58:00 | mattzz | amicon and IDC where a great help |
08:58:11 | mattzz | were |
08:58:16 | [IDC]Dragon | ;-) |
08:58:18 | midk | :) |
08:58:34 | midk | nite all |
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08:58:53 | * | mattzz does some self marketing today ;-) |
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09:00:50 | mattzz | morning jens |
09:01:16 | [IDC]Dragon | morning |
09:01:16 | amiconn | Morning all |
09:06:12 | LinusN | yo amiconn |
09:15:13 | LinusN | mattzz: you want to replace mandelbrot.c with graubrot.c? |
09:15:39 | mattzz | LinusN: makes sense to me |
09:16:01 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, but call it mandelbrot still, I'd suggest |
09:16:04 | LinusN | i'll do it, and i'll change the attempt to empty the keyboard queue |
09:16:09 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: yup |
09:16:25 | [IDC]Dragon | graubrot was a german joke |
09:16:34 | mattzz | yup, better call it mandelbrot |
09:16:40 | [IDC]Dragon | because "grau" means "gray" |
09:17:01 | mattzz | and graubrot is sooo healthy my ma told me. |
09:17:22 | [IDC]Dragon | not schwarzbrot? |
09:17:40 | mattzz | schwarzbrot was even worse! |
09:18:12 | mattzz | today I mostly eat toastbrot - as a result |
09:18:26 | mattzz | but that's boring stuff ;-) |
09:19:10 | LinusN | i think apfelmännchen is a cute name for it :-) |
09:19:42 | [IDC]Dragon | is that international? |
09:20:16 | LinusN | not at all |
09:20:33 | LinusN | just german iirc |
09:22:08 | [IDC]Dragon | gotta eat my toastbrot |
09:25:36 | LinusN | mattzz: committed |
09:26:40 | amiconn | LinusN: Anything new about the lcd code on the player, or the recording code? |
09:27:08 | LinusN | was planning to work on that today |
09:28:32 | [IDC]Dragon | LCD consolidation? |
09:28:38 | amiconn | yep |
09:28:56 | [IDC]Dragon | I didn't dare to do that, for a lack of a Player |
09:29:25 | amiconn | If my first attempt works on the player (it does on the recorder), I have some further optimization in mind. |
09:29:34 | [IDC]Dragon | But I wrote that comment which seemed ta have inspired you ;) |
09:29:42 | amiconn | yup. |
09:29:55 | [IDC]Dragon | I would have only the short loop on the player |
09:30:05 | [IDC]Dragon | it's not speed critical |
09:30:09 | amiconn | I'm also lacking a player, therefore asked Linus to test. |
09:30:18 | [IDC]Dragon | the unrolled for recorder then |
09:32:04 | amiconn | I wanted to leave the unrolled loop for both player & recorder (the IRAM space isn't that tight on the player as Linus told me). |
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09:34:38 | amiconn | My next optimization would be to use the unrolled loop also for command writing (without including it a second time). I estimated that this could give another 3% speedup for lcd_update() / lcd_write_data() |
09:35:04 | [IDC]Dragon | Mr. 3%, haha |
09:35:17 | amiconn | ;-) |
09:35:56 | [IDC]Dragon | the player needs a different unrolled loop |
09:36:11 | [IDC]Dragon | because my carry bit trick is not working there |
09:36:34 | [IDC]Dragon | so I thought you may just leave the C loop in there |
09:36:43 | [IDC]Dragon | (easier to read) |
09:38:12 | amiconn | There is no pure C loop in the current version for the player either |
09:39:54 | [IDC]Dragon | ah, sorry |
09:40:38 | amiconn | (the transfer is done in assembler for both models) |
09:41:04 | [IDC]Dragon | just saw my comment about tilting the LCD buffer, that's outdated, long done. |
09:41:26 | amiconn | But there are different loops for command and data transfer, the command loop is not unrolled currently. |
09:41:39 | amiconn | Yes, I will take out that comment on the way. |
09:41:47 | [IDC]Dragon | I know, could be unified. |
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10:42:38 | LinusN | amiconn|away: OK to commit your LCD stuff, remove Jörgs old comment about tilting the frame buffer as well |
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11:49:40 | ricflair | linusn, do you know any idea why my jukebox recorder 20 would turn off when pwer gets down to around half way on the battery monitor, and also it seems to go from 100 percent to around 60 percent withing about half an hour to an hour. |
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11:53:53 | amiconn|work | ricflair: I think one of the battery cells may not be ok. Either you could check this with an external charger that is able to do tests, or simply put in another set of batteries. |
11:55:08 | LinusN | ricflair: have you checked your battery connector yet? |
11:56:14 | ricflair | not yet linusn, i guess thats going to be the problem isnt it. |
11:56:30 | ricflair | amiconn, i dont have the tools to test , so i may just pick up another battery set |
11:56:51 | ricflair | i left it charging from ll last night, so its been on for near 12 hours charge now |
11:57:02 | ricflair | and it doesnt say charged yet |
11:59:14 | amiconn|work | LinusN: LCD code committed, as well as a minor fix for the sim (lcd-common.c was missing lf at the end). |
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12:05:00 | LinusN | saw that, gr8 |
12:11:48 | amiconn|work | LinusN: Btw, very strange commit message for mandelbrot.c ... |
12:29:37 | LinusN | buah, the shell didn't like my exclamation signs :_) |
12:54:13 | amiconn|work | Grr, I have caused a player sim warning... |
12:56:01 | LinusN | ah, forgot to test that |
12:56:41 | amiconn|work | Will fix it asap. |
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13:01:41 | amiconn|work | ...fixed |
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16:00:54 | ricflair | can the unit be damaged if it powers off whilst your copying files to it |
16:01:23 | dwihno | Well, the file system might get a minor corruption |
16:01:45 | dwihno | but the hardware should be OK, unless you make it a habit :) |
16:02:22 | ricflair | cool, its just with me having battery problems this happend yesterday. all seems fine, but i just wanted to make sure |
16:05:11 | dwihno | When it happens to me, I always check the file system. |
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16:10:35 | ricflair | how can you check it |
16:12:22 | Robb1eVox | lo |
16:13:03 | Robb1eVox | ne1 here tried the plugin for connection to car as a cd changer ? |
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16:22:37 | dwihno | ricflair: well, if you use windows, scandisk :) |
16:23:28 | Robb1eVox | :) |
16:24:18 | Robb1eVox | finding the cd changer protocol looks like the hardest part, didnt realise lot of the archos plugin sw was already done |
16:31:31 | pfavr | just a stupid idea: how about ide-smart support in rockbox (wonder if it is possible to query the smart info through usb?) |
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17:38:00 | [IDC]Dragon | Robb1eVox: from logpeeking I saw you asked about CD changer emu? |
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18:54:40 | Robb1eVox | :) lo |
18:55:20 | Robb1eVox | [IDC]Dragon u still there ? |
18:55:51 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, seldom looking. |
18:55:58 | Robb1eVox | :) |
18:56:53 | [IDC]Dragon | I made the Alpine plugin, dunno if you know. |
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18:57:14 | Robb1eVox | im lookin at linking my ajb to a renault head unit which i thing is a spin off of the sony system |
18:57:28 | Robb1eVox | ye only started lookin today and found out quite a lot |
18:58:05 | Robb1eVox | trouble is i dont not found any renualt info at all |
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18:58:30 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, if they just buy it... |
18:58:34 | Robb1eVox | how did you go about learning how to do the alpine setup ? |
18:59:02 | [IDC]Dragon | scope, logic analyzer, uC board, PC |
18:59:03 | Robb1eVox | buy it ?? how u mean |
18:59:17 | Robb1eVox | ahh ok |
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19:00:22 | [IDC]Dragon | see http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/mbus |
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19:02:01 | [IDC]Dragon | sorry, unstable connection. |
19:02:17 | Robb1eVox | :) |
19:02:53 | Robb1eVox | did i read somewhere about a system for oems as well ? |
19:05:02 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, some other brands use M-Bus, too. |
19:05:32 | Robb1eVox | hmm |
19:06:22 | Robb1eVox | im only guessing but gather its a unilink derivitave as my connectors are the same as this http://www.mictronics.de/?page=becker |
19:07:15 | Robb1eVox | think my best way forward is to build a gnunilink interface and see what i can get it to do |
19:07:46 | Robb1eVox | i believe the system used in vw's is the same too |
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19:12:56 | [IDC]Dragon | sorry, this is pointless |
19:13:04 | Robb1eVox | :( |
19:13:07 | Robb1eVox | nps |
19:14:47 | [IDC]Dragon | you're right, before thinking more about Archos you need to master the protocol. |
19:14:59 | [IDC]Dragon | best done with a PC |
19:15:35 | Robb1eVox | i wasnt expecting to be able to interface it tbh, just looking at audio inputs untill i found out that archos dev had already been done |
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19:54:57 | ruumis | hello |
19:55:36 | ruumis | thinking about picking up that archos 20GB that's down to ~$130 after rebate on amazon |
19:55:47 | ruumis | I take it you're all owners? |
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20:04:39 | Robb1eVox | nice price |
20:06:18 | ruumis | I've heard so many conflicting things about quality control and support... |
20:08:32 | ruumis | I'm also trying to figure out of the one on amazon has NiMH or Lithium Ion |
20:08:47 | ruumis | the product description says NiMH but at least one of the reviews says Li-Ion |
20:13:31 | Robb1eVox | prettu sure they minh |
20:13:37 | Robb1eVox | nimh even |
20:14:14 | ruumis | bleh. |
20:18:23 | Robb1eVox | 1500 nimh are standard (just looked in mine) |
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20:22:10 | amiconn | Hi Matthias |
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20:22:42 | mattzz | Hi Jens |
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20:24:45 | mattzz | Is there currently anybody in charge of the user manual? |
20:26:36 | mattzz | OK, everybody is shouting loud enough - please stop it ;-) |
20:29:05 | Robb1eVox | :) |
20:38:04 | mattzz | I'd suggest to update the manual for the upcoming release and skip the manual for version 2.2 |
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20:41:04 | [IDC]Dragon | Jens, r u there? |
20:41:57 | amiconn | Yup. |
20:42:48 | [IDC]Dragon | got a question about your grayscale framework |
20:42:50 | amiconn | I've just received the AT&T natural voices along with the german voice. So expect me to build a german.voice this evening. |
20:42:58 | [IDC]Dragon | whoohoo |
20:43:03 | amiconn | shoot |
20:43:20 | [IDC]Dragon | I've just updated the .lang file yesterday |
20:43:33 | amiconn | Have seen it. |
20:43:36 | [IDC]Dragon | should be a piece of cake then. |
20:44:06 | amiconn | I first have to figure out the process |
20:44:38 | [IDC]Dragon | that's easy |
20:45:02 | [IDC]Dragon | about gray_drawgraymap(): |
20:45:21 | [IDC]Dragon | can you introduce a "stride" parameter? |
20:45:49 | [IDC]Dragon | so the line distance of the source is independent of the width? |
20:45:59 | [IDC]Dragon | (or am I missing something?) |
20:46:20 | amiconn | Do you want to show partial bitmaps? |
20:46:24 | [IDC]Dragon | yes |
20:46:50 | [IDC]Dragon | So I can scroll along a larger one. |
20:47:24 | amiconn | There is not yet a parameter to do that (I didn't think about it), but of course it would be easy to integrate. |
20:48:13 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, sure |
20:49:08 | [IDC]Dragon | instead of x and y the stride would be sufficient |
20:49:32 | [IDC]Dragon | src can point to whereever in the image |
20:49:41 | amiconn | I should add that to gray_drawbitmap then as well, for symmetry. |
20:50:03 | [IDC]Dragon | ah, yes |
20:50:37 | amiconn | No, stride has to be an additional parameter, since x and y define the upper left corner of the destination (on the display) |
20:51:04 | [IDC]Dragon | oops, yes |
20:53:10 | amiconn | I wonder if I should commit grayscale.c itself, since it is not intended (primarily) for direct use. |
20:55:59 | [IDC]Dragon | you can make an #if 0 around it to prevent it in the distibution. |
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21:06:03 | Robb1eVox | do all archos models have the remove feature in the jack ? |
21:08:22 | [IDC]Dragon | some FMs lack it |
21:08:37 | Robb1eVox | how bout on a studio ? |
21:08:49 | [IDC]Dragon | but just because it's not connected internally |
21:08:49 | Robb1eVox | <−− got a studio 10 |
21:08:54 | [IDC]Dragon | np |
21:09:04 | [IDC]Dragon | afk |
21:09:09 | Robb1eVox | it on the earphone socket or line ? |
21:10:45 | Robb1eVox | i got absolutely no idea what protocol this head unit uses, could be 1 wire mbus type or maybe 2 wire |
21:36:59 | lurwas | /me's former Archos firmware Jukebox 6000 is now a Rockbox 20000 |
21:37:15 | * | lurwas 's former Archos firmware Jukebox 6000 is now a Rockbox 20000 |
21:37:20 | lurwas | even. :) |
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22:00:05 | mattzz | c0utta: r u there? |
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22:22:03 | amiconn | re Jörg |
22:22:09 | [IDC]Dragon | today is disconnection day... |
22:22:31 | [IDC]Dragon | voice file done? |
22:23:07 | [IDC]Dragon | ;-) |
22:23:14 | amiconn | I wonder which way is better to generate a .voice - lang2textaloud or the .cmd file that uses lang2wav and voicefont |
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22:23:36 | [IDC]Dragon | lang2wav is recommended |
22:23:53 | [IDC]Dragon | mauch quicker and less hassle |
22:23:57 | [IDC]Dragon | much |
22:23:57 | amiconn | (I've already done my first attempt with the .cmd, but the voice file is too big - 2.5 MB |
22:24:16 | amiconn | (tried 32 kHz, though) |
22:24:23 | [IDC]Dragon | then you need to increase the -v value |
22:24:37 | [IDC]Dragon | 32 kHz is definitely too much |
22:24:49 | [IDC]Dragon | try −−resample 16 |
22:25:07 | [IDC]Dragon | and we don't need −−nores any more |
22:25:16 | [IDC]Dragon | this also saves space |
22:25:29 | amiconn | If -V9 is not enough to fit it with 32kHz, I will first try to use −−lowpass nn rather than −−resample nn |
22:25:42 | amiconn | Yes, −−nores is already thrown out |
22:25:55 | [IDC]Dragon | -v does lowpass, this is how it works, iirc |
22:26:16 | [IDC]Dragon | 32 kHz is way out |
22:26:49 | amiconn | used -V 7 now, down to 1.8 MB |
22:27:21 | [IDC]Dragon | why are you so keen on 32 kHz? |
22:27:29 | [IDC]Dragon | digital out user? |
22:28:17 | amiconn | No, I even don't possess any device (other than the Archos) that has an spdif connector. But there may be others that want to use it. |
22:28:43 | [IDC]Dragon | I've given that up for english long time ago. |
22:29:04 | [IDC]Dragon | german has larger "sentences", so it's worse. |
22:29:23 | amiconn | it fits with -V 8 and 32 kHz. |
22:29:41 | [IDC]Dragon | it should be <1.5 MB |
22:29:56 | [IDC]Dragon | does it? |
22:30:00 | amiconn | down to 1.4 MB |
22:30:10 | [IDC]Dragon | what did you do? |
22:30:24 | amiconn | lame -V 8 −−scale 0.6 -t −−vbr-new −−nohist %%f |
22:30:42 | [IDC]Dragon | nothing unusual. |
22:31:36 | [IDC]Dragon | personally, I'd prefer a lower sample rate and less lossy compression, but well. |
22:31:51 | amiconn | Btw: The size is almost equal to your mary.voice |
22:32:15 | [IDC]Dragon | mary is 22 kHz |
22:32:31 | [IDC]Dragon | crystal is 16 |
22:32:31 | amiconn | I will generate several versions with different sample frequencies and compare them. |
22:33:04 | [IDC]Dragon | good. |
22:33:35 | amiconn | This sounds really nice! |
22:33:50 | [IDC]Dragon | can you upload one, please? |
22:34:28 | amiconn | Hmm, the compression is a bit too tight, I get ringing artefacts. Will try with 22 kHz first. |
22:45:07 | amiconn | Just detected a funny error in your script (because the Windows shell complained about it) - in line 4 you use as C++-style comment to comment out the "rem" (sic!) |
22:45:38 | [IDC]Dragon | oops, in which one? |
22:46:13 | amiconn | make_voicefile_AT&T.cmd |
22:46:18 | mattzz | amiconn: the c++ commenting style is hard wired in joergs brain ;-) |
22:46:30 | * | mattzz ducks and covers |
22:47:32 | amiconn | I should have known, since there are some even in rockbox sources where they shouldn't exist. ;-) |
22:47:54 | [IDC]Dragon | it is, I can barely stand the Rockbox coding style |
22:48:18 | [IDC]Dragon | very restrictive, imho |
22:48:31 | [IDC]Dragon | (so unnecessary) |
22:48:41 | [IDC]Dragon | </curse> |
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22:49:46 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: we have received a lot of praise for our simple code |
22:50:11 | [IDC]Dragon | how do you mean? |
22:50:27 | [IDC]Dragon | (simple) |
22:50:47 | LinusN | people have praised us because the source code is easy to understand |
22:51:09 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm in no way criticising that |
22:51:21 | [IDC]Dragon | I was after the // comments |
22:51:24 | LinusN | "it is, I can barely stand the Rockbox coding style" |
22:52:11 | [IDC]Dragon | hehe, no offence |
22:52:15 | LinusN | :-) |
22:52:41 | [IDC]Dragon | the // is just in my fingers, mattzz is right |
22:53:33 | [IDC]Dragon | and it allows me 3 more precious chars for my comments before they hit the 80 char barrier ;-) |
22:54:17 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Is lang2wav unable to generate 16 kHz output directly? |
22:54:32 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: yes |
22:55:09 | amiconn | Would it be possible to integrate 16 kHz (i.e. if the sapi allows that)? |
22:55:09 | [IDC]Dragon | the SAPI output should always run at the "native" output rate of the voice |
22:55:17 | amiconn | Ah |
22:55:22 | [IDC]Dragon | MS does a bad job of resampling |
22:55:40 | [IDC]Dragon | Lame is better for that |
22:56:27 | [IDC]Dragon | but what is native, you're right, only experiments can tell where it sounds OK. |
22:57:09 | [IDC]Dragon | I found 32 kHz for AT+T and 22 kHz for MS best. |
22:57:14 | amiconn | I wonder why the high-bandwidth natural voices are called "16 kHz"? |
22:57:39 | [IDC]Dragon | I think I tried 16, 32 was better. |
22:58:17 | amiconn | So my choice will be (for now) "lame -V 6 −−resample 16 −−scale 0.6 -t −−vbr-new −−nohist" |
22:58:34 | amiconn | This sounds best for german voice "Klara" |
22:58:38 | [IDC]Dragon | OK |
22:58:54 | [IDC]Dragon | URL? (drool) |
22:59:31 | [IDC]Dragon | Klara is my grandma's name ... |
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23:00:42 | mattzz | what is the maximum size of an lcd_bitmap? |
23:01:06 | [IDC]Dragon | what do you mean? |
23:01:14 | [IDC]Dragon | 112*64, you know |
23:02:18 | amiconn | amiconn.dyndns.org/deutsch.voice">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/deutsch.voice (and the typo I pm'd is corrected) |
23:02:49 | [IDC]Dragon | ah |
23:04:01 | mattzz | [IDC]Dragon: I was just wondering how to create a 9x9 bitmap, how the src has to look like |
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23:04:36 | Bagder | try bmp2rb |
23:05:27 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm not sure if the display function works for >8 pixel height, the logo is "striped" |
23:05:37 | Bagder | it works for 16 |
23:05:46 | Bagder | but no more, afair |
23:06:21 | mattzz | I want to create a "checkbox" widget |
23:06:29 | mattzz | 8x8 is fine though |
23:06:50 | Bagder | then use the bmp2rb tool |
23:07:27 | [IDC]Dragon | or think binary |
23:07:43 | [IDC]Dragon | (that's how I did icons) |
23:08:59 | mattzz | already have thought binary - but just 8 bits wide ;-) like in the good ol' days |
23:09:38 | amiconn | As I get some pronounciation problems for German, how is this supposed to be corrected - should I change the spelling in the .lang file to get it correct? |
23:10:00 | amiconn | (May look strange sometimes) |
23:10:12 | [IDC]Dragon | change it like what? |
23:10:27 | [IDC]Dragon | real misspellings, or just hyphens? |
23:10:56 | amiconn | Sometimes deliberate misspellings would be necessary. |
23:11:17 | [IDC]Dragon | I haven't done such yet |
23:11:49 | amiconn | I would do that, I'm just asking if this would be "the right way" (tm) |
23:11:49 | [IDC]Dragon | that's why resume is like resumé |
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23:12:29 | [IDC]Dragon | there's no right way yet |
23:12:57 | [IDC]Dragon | however, I'd say that such is specific to a certain TTS engine |
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23:13:18 | [IDC]Dragon | so, non-portable |
23:14:43 | amiconn | Yes, that's why I ask. Some mispronounciations are engine dependent, while others come from using foreign words that are spoken german-ish, like "byte", "ampere" etc. |
23:14:46 | [IDC]Dragon | when I did the german for the L&H voice, I was also adjusting |
23:15:04 | [IDC]Dragon | Everything had to be very german |
23:16:48 | [IDC]Dragon | that's why I couldn't use established foreighn words like: playlist, frame |
23:17:01 | mattzz | Bagder: bmp2rb does a nice job! |
23:17:40 | Bagder | :-) |
23:18:57 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: So what do you think would be best? There are some words in that are not easily replacable, like "loudness". |
23:20:16 | [IDC]Dragon | I wouldn't try to be perfect |
23:20:26 | scott666 | could you just use english strings inside of voice files of other languages? |
23:20:41 | scott666 | err, not strings, clips |
23:20:58 | mattzz | Bagder: <whisper> but it prints one comma too much in the last line </whisper> |
23:21:04 | [IDC]Dragon | and have different speakers? |
23:21:06 | Bagder | hehe |
23:21:14 | scott666 | yeah |
23:21:29 | Bagder | mattzz: that's left to not take away all the fun from you ;-) |
23:21:56 | mattzz | Bagder: I know, I know |
23:21:57 | amiconn | scott666: This would be possible if the whole clip contains words of the same language (although it would sound strange with different voices) |
23:22:27 | [IDC]Dragon | you can mix manually before running "voicefont" |
23:23:53 | [IDC]Dragon | Klara doesn't soundlike my grandma |
23:24:00 | amiconn | ;-) |
23:24:19 | [IDC]Dragon | way better than L&H |
23:25:19 | [IDC]Dragon | we've got something for Bagder |
23:25:40 | * | Bagder pays attention |
23:26:07 | [IDC]Dragon | placing Jens' voice file to the haxx page |
23:26:39 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I would rather like to do some corrections (some things should be possible with hyphenation, e.g. Klara sometimes gets "au" wrong) |
23:26:53 | [IDC]Dragon | aua |
23:27:07 | amiconn | This would be spoken a-ua |
23:33:06 | amiconn | Bagder: I found a type on the web page, and have a complementing info as well. Unfortunately I'm not familiar with the file format used for the web page in CVS. |
23:34:28 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: What may cause that the month in "set time and date" is not voiced? |
23:34:59 | Bagder | brb |
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23:35:28 | Bagder | amiconn: so tell me and I'll fix |
23:37:02 | LinusN | amiconn: the month issue may be my fault |
23:37:31 | amiconn | Bagder: (1) In /cvs.html, first <h2> the "repository" misses on "o" |
23:38:48 | amiconn | (2) In /docs/features.html: The Archos firmware supports ID3v1, but not v2, at least on the recorder v1 (this is stated unknown) |
23:39:31 | Bagder | thanks |
23:41:00 | LinusN | amiconn: fix for month issue committed |
23:41:02 | Bagder | the format is simply html that is processed with a C preprocessor |
23:41:46 | Bagder | amiconn: fixes committed |
23:41:53 | scott666 | while you're at it, see: http://rockbox.haxx.se/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2004-04/0921.shtml |
23:41:57 | amiconn | Hmm, I though it is something strange since it has a .t extension |
23:42:19 | scott666 | unless did that already and i missed it |
23:42:22 | Bagder | amiconn: that's simply for easy Makefile creation, all .t are processed into .html ones |
23:42:33 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: line 864 of screens.c is wrong |
23:42:50 | [IDC]Dragon | talk_id(LANG_MONTH_JANUARY + value - 1, false); |
23:42:56 | [IDC]Dragon | should rather be |
23:43:53 | [IDC]Dragon | talk_id(LANG_MONTH_JANUARY + tm->tm_mon, false); |
23:44:09 | amiconn | ?? In my copy of screens.c (current cvs) line 864 reads "int julianday;" ?? |
23:44:28 | [IDC]Dragon | then it's not from today |
23:44:53 | [IDC]Dragon | line 846, sorry |
23:45:08 | [IDC]Dragon | (finger twister) |
23:48:26 | amiconn | I have now 10 problematic words / clips on my list after a complete walk-through (I think) |
23:50:42 | LinusN | amiconn: just update from cvs, i have already fixed that bug |
23:51:56 | [IDC]Dragon | oh, I'm too slow, was just about to commit |
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23:53:42 | amiconn | LinusN: Thanks |
23:57:06 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I think I will fix the pronounciation where it is possible with hyphenation, or where it is simply a matter of words, and commit that. |
23:57:30 | amiconn | Further corrections with deliberate misspelling I will do locally. |