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#rockbox log for 2004-05-03

00:05:36LaurentGno pb
00:05:42LaurentGisn't this strange :
00:05:45LaurentG00000000:( 0) 0000 : ADD R0, #0
00:05:46LaurentG00000002:( 0) 0002 : ADD R0, #2
00:06:33 Join midk [0] (mk@ACA4F076.ipt.aol.com)
00:07:00BlueChipadd r0,0 is probably NOP
00:07:14LaurentGlooks like there's a header
00:08:33LaurentGthe disassembler works fine too, great work
00:09:04LaurentGi'm a bit deceived not to have been faster than you, but that's life hey ;)
00:09:30LaurentGanyone knows how to write machine files for gcc ?
00:10:08BlueChipIf you need any auto-doc or proc-id algorithms, feel free to ask - you can see my RISC disasm at mipsx_src yahoo group for ideas
00:10:42Strathheh
00:11:38BlueChipquite funny actually, someone there recently made reference to rockbox flash algorithms - wasn't one of you guys was it?
00:11:51LaurentGwasn't me
00:12:00Strathblue, nope, NOP is: 1001111010011000b
00:12:02midkhey amiconn?
00:13:01Strathand 111110110111x11xb for the MAC24 DSP
00:13:21BlueChipStrath: lol - I'll take you're word - i'm not even 100% sure what processor you guys are hacking (having joined mid conversation)
00:13:45Strathheh, i know, just being a smart ass
00:13:50BlueChip:) cool :)
00:13:58BlueChipgotta be proud of your work :)
00:14:07LaurentGbetter smart than smelly
00:14:08LaurentG:)
00:14:16midkyosors.
00:14:20BlueChipso what's the opcode for add r0,#0?
00:14:29midkhey bc i tried your solitaire
00:14:29LaurentGbc : 0 ;)
00:14:33midkexcellent work
00:14:43BlueChipcheers mk
00:14:44midki love the action-packed boot logos
00:15:03midkit's like, foosh, foosh, zing, pow, pop pop, woosh, woosh
00:15:08Strath0000000000000000b
00:15:20BlueChipmk: the end game was gonna be awesome in comparison, but I need to do a LOT of work to stop it from trashing rockbox
00:15:35BlueChipStrath: vey weird
00:15:40midkhmm well still, very nice work there!
00:15:44midkand of course the cards + gameplay
00:16:05Strathit's just doing a blind disasm of whatever biniary data is in the file
00:16:10diddystar5kaboofa, me and who else is working on a calculator>
00:16:11diddystar5?
00:16:19kaboofauh
00:16:20kaboofameh
00:16:26kaboofadunno
00:16:43Straththe emu code will add tracing and analysis to it
00:16:48DBUGEnqueued KICK BlueChip
00:16:48BlueChiptom norris and 01 tinousus
00:17:06kaboofa:)
00:17:13diddystar5ahh
00:17:17BlueChipkaboofa, did you see my post on sqrt
00:17:37midksquirty!
00:17:37LaurentGStrath: btw, did you manage to pack your gmini back correctly ? had some trouble with mine
00:17:38BlueChipStrath: very nice
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00:18:15Strathheh, well, since i've now had it apart *twice* it's getting easier :)
00:18:30Strathcheck: "fuse repair"
00:18:35kaboofabc: yeah
00:18:37LaurentGi'm looking at it ;)
00:18:38kaboofawith the rv->sqrt
00:18:42CtcpIgnored 2 channel CTCP requests in 8 seconds at the last flood
00:18:42*kaboofa checks now
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00:18:46kaboofaeh
00:18:48BlueChipkaboofa ...did it make sense?
00:18:49kaboofawhere is thunderbird
00:18:51kaboofahold on
00:19:18kaboofawhat's yer e-mail addy?
00:22:02 Nick BlueChip is now known as bc|bbs (~bluechip@cpc3-colc1-3-0-cust61.colc.cable.ntl.com)
00:22:02DBUGEnqueued KICK bc|bbs
00:23:18 Nick bc|bbs is now known as BlooChip (~bluechip@cpc3-colc1-3-0-cust61.colc.cable.ntl.com)
00:23:18DBUGEnqueued KICK BlooChip
00:23:18***Alert Mode level 1
00:23:31BlooChip(sooner than even I thought!)
00:25:15midkbloochippy
00:25:36BlooChipOT: A friend who runs an ISP has warned me that this virus is ready to hit the streets tomorrow/tuesday (bank hol mon in UK)
00:25:36BlooChiphttp://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName=WORM_SASSER.A
00:25:52BlooChipmk: lol
00:28:38 Quit AciD ("Hiroshima 45, Tchernobyl 86, Windows 95")
00:33:19***Alert Mode OFF
00:38:06Strathgrrr
00:38:24LaurentG?
00:38:28LaurentGwell, gtg
00:38:36BlooChiphis dog just walked over the kbd - lol
00:40:45midklet me try!
00:40:51midk*pounds on kbd
00:40:54midkkxz.,sdcd,lc,l f vlk, jlk,k,lv j
00:40:56midkhow'd i do?
00:41:03kaboofammmm
00:41:13BlooChipno, that looked more like a hampster - LOL
00:41:17kaboofai hope there is a new episode of the simpsons on tonight.
00:41:38midkhampster HAHA noooooooooooosors
00:41:39BlooChipsimpsons article on slashdot
00:41:40midkokies?
00:41:42kaboofabrb
00:41:49kaboofabc: about the actors, yes?
00:41:49midki plan on eating ice cream mm'kay?
00:41:50kaboofaor voicers..
00:41:54kaboofa whatever the hell they are nameed
00:41:56kaboofa*named
00:42:11BlooChipyes, but it implies another four years of production :)
00:44:52BlooChipWOOHOO Win98 Service Pack released :)
00:45:02midkHAHA nice try bc
00:45:22BlooChipI'm serious!
00:45:30BlooChipread slashdot :)
00:46:24LaurentGStrath: have you begun writing a scrambler tool ? which produces an encrypted/packed firmware from an executable ?
00:46:43LaurentGIf you haven't I'll begin this tomorrow
00:46:49Strathheh, i'd say it'd take maybe a half hour to do so
00:46:59Strath(using "fake" compression)
00:47:17Strath(ie. all flags = 1)
00:47:33LaurentGyup, i'd say one or two hours
00:47:44Strathheh, slow poke
00:47:46LaurentGwith debugging ;)
00:48:28diddystar5goota ago
00:48:30diddystar5bye
00:48:32 Quit diddystar5 ("Leaving")
00:48:47LaurentGStrath: do you plan to do it ?
00:49:26Strathif you'd like, though i didn't see a need till we understood the internals better
00:49:52Strathyou wanna do the stuff in the TODO header of aostool?
00:50:26LaurentGlet me check
00:50:44LaurentGwhy not
00:51:06LaurentGthat + scrambling ok ?
00:51:31LaurentGand I'll have a loot at gcc .md files after this
00:52:09LaurentGwhich files are posing problem ? i've the 1.20/30/50/90
00:52:19LaurentGs/posing/causing
00:53:46LaurentGwell, need to go, I'm up in about 5 hours
00:53:48LaurentG:(
00:54:00LaurentGbut I need to sleep first :)
00:54:33LaurentGc u
00:54:40BlooChipnite LaurentG
00:55:01 Quit LaurentG ("thx")
00:56:24BlooChipbrb
00:56:35 Quit top_bloke ("The mind is a terrible thing to taste. Wasted 0 seconds online.")
00:56:52Strathheh....
00:57:16Strathnow with the make file, gcc is bitching about everything
01:00
01:00:29BlooChipbak
01:00:33midkBC
01:00:33midkBC
01:00:54CtcpIgnored 2 channel CTCP requests in 1 minute and 16 seconds at the last flood
01:00:54*BlooChip looks around for the source of the strange noise
01:01:10midkeight is equal to D.
01:02:16amiconnBlooChip: Trying different languages? How about BlauSpan?
01:02:20amiconn;-)
01:02:27BlooChiplol
01:03:14BlooChipGerman?
01:03:35DHSI'm signing off now. I posted my results to the listserv. I'm testing limited-time recording now.
01:03:44BlooChipLMAO - that makes me "BS"
01:03:44 Quit DHS ()
01:05:52midkgo go BS
01:06:12BlooChiphow do you know I have no t-shirt on?
01:06:38midkyou think i can't see you?
01:06:49midk*stares across the street and through window
01:06:59*BlooChip pulls a moon
01:07:16BlooChipami: did you think any more on a sprite engine?
01:07:19midk*quickly whips head back to irc
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01:08:11BlooChipI found my mates ebay name the other day - checked his recent purchases ...monopoly board ...stng manual ...US quarters ...bondage whip - LMAO
01:08:23Strathhrm...
01:09:09Strathwhat does '<variablename> := <list of items>' mean in a make file?
01:09:09GuestHey guys.. I was wondering if anyone here is good with the internal hardware of the AV300 series : )
01:09:24amiconnBlooChip: Not yet.
01:09:28midkLOL BC
01:09:36BlooChippossibly try #avos??
01:10:02 Part Guest
01:10:15BlooChipyou're welcome
01:10:33midkdid the monopoly board contain the little pieces too?
01:10:43amiconnTime to sleep. Nite all
01:10:44midklike the little sewing machine and the little boot
01:10:47BlooChipnite ami
01:10:47midknite am
01:10:48midkami*
01:10:49BlooChipi
01:10:49midkthanks
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01:11:14BlooChipguess so
01:11:35midkmm kinky
01:13:55*BlooChip goes in search of more caffeine...
01:14:17midktry mixing veggie oil with soda pop
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01:22:06kaboofahmm
01:22:12kaboofai think i'm going to build an arc furnace
01:22:20kaboofaneed to find graphite rods....
01:24:37BlooChiprust & tin foil does quite well - lol
01:24:46midkLOL
01:24:50kaboofaheh
01:24:52kaboofano
01:24:54midkkaboofa
01:24:59midktry a blast furnace
01:25:02midkblast your face off
01:25:04kaboofano no
01:25:19kaboofai'm making an arc furnace
01:25:21midkblast ... something else off
01:25:25kaboofait just uses a shitload of electricity
01:25:39midkno swearing asshole!
01:25:44kaboofaacl ;x
01:25:46kaboofa*ack
01:25:47kaboofasorry man
01:25:58midkjeesus dipshits
01:26:03kaboofabad vocab habbits
01:26:16midkno fucking respect these days
01:26:25BlooChipyou'll get kicked!
01:26:34kaboofa0 items found for arc furnace
01:26:35kaboofapfft
01:26:37kaboofayou suck ebay
01:26:43midktry blast furnace
01:26:45BlooChiphttp://www.steel.org/learning/howmade/eaf.htm
01:26:55kaboofaI KNOW how to make it
01:26:58kaboofai need the rods though
01:27:08midksearch for blast furncae.
01:27:10BlooChippencils are made of graphite
01:27:10midkFURNCASE
01:27:13midkFUNARC
01:27:15midkGOD
01:27:18midkfur. nace.
01:27:21kaboofathey need to big though.
01:27:43BlooChipbig comedy sea side pencil big?
01:28:03kaboofaeh?
01:28:22BlooChipgiant pencils you buy at the seaside
01:28:31midkno swearing bc
01:29:10kaboofahmmm
01:29:15BlooChipsorry ...01giant pencils you purchase at the seaside
01:29:22kaboofai could buy a digital scale and sell it to the druggies at school
01:29:27midkno implications either
01:29:33midkHAHAH
01:30:48kaboofahttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11814&item=3812932313&rd=1
01:30:52kaboofahmmm
01:31:28BlooChiphttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=4146756343
01:31:57kaboofao.o
01:32:03kaboofais that a man wearing it?
01:32:05kaboofanice work.
01:32:16BlooChipyou gotta read the write up
01:32:25BlooChipi laughed so hard i actually cried
01:32:36BlooChip13 million hits
01:32:52midkwhat
01:32:58midkWHAT
01:33:43BlooChipSeller's payment instructions & return policy:
01:33:43BlooChipBuyer pays shipping and handling. Sale is final. Marriage isn't.
01:33:53midkLOL
01:34:48kaboofaahh
01:34:50kaboofai love my rockbox
01:34:53kaboofa:)
01:34:58BlooChipcarnally?
01:35:05kaboofano, metaphorically
01:35:23BlooChipcool - not sure the electronics would survive
01:35:36midkLOL
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01:58:57BlooChipGod, I wish I understood this Othelo code - lol
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02:00:05BlooChippeterborough?
02:00:09midkLOL
02:00:19midkerm
02:00:58BlooChipntl are sods for announcing your home town
02:01:26deadite66yep great yarmouth here
02:01:32BlooChipcolchester
02:01:34BlooChip:)
02:01:41BlooChiphere
02:23:17kaboofaman
02:23:33kaboofai really wish that these sound plugins for 1964 would work better :X
02:23:54BlooChip???
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02:45:58kaboofakaboofa.liek.us/images/powerbook_xray.jpg">http://kaboofa.liek.us/images/powerbook_xray.jpg
02:45:59kaboofaleet
02:49:28BlooChipkewl
02:49:51BlooChipyour work?
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08:12:01Strathhey linusN
08:20:09amiconnHi LinusN
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08:29:42[IDC]Dragonmorning Linus, Jens, world
08:32:03amiconnmorning Jörg
08:32:52LinusNyo d00dz
08:33:08[IDC]Dragonhuh?
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09:33:21[IDC]Dragontoo boring here...
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09:41:07mattzzHow can I prevent SAPI (.tbx clip generation) to read underscores and stuff like that?
09:56:38LinusNremove them before sending the strings to SAPI?
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10:15:11mattzzI was hoping for something like a configuration switch....
10:16:12mattzzI dont know much of vbs programming. A simple string replacement would do it as well, so you're right
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13:11:56amiconnLinusN, listening?
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13:26:43Strathnite...
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13:59:03LinusNamiconn: i'm here
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14:07:16amiconnLinusN: Sorry for pestering you again, but I would like to take a look at your LA measurements of my new recording routines very much.
14:07:54LinusNi'll see what i can do, lots of work at present
14:08:31LinusNshort-term consulting assignments tend to leave little room for "other stuff" :-)
14:09:12LinusNdoh!
14:09:22LinusNamiconn: you run a windows bow, right?
14:09:26LinusNbox
14:09:28amiconnyup
14:10:02LinusNinstall this: http://www.acute.com.tw/software/la1000p/la17203.zip
14:11:01amiconnThis is the LA sw you use, I guess? So I can view the raw data files?
14:11:11LinusNyes
14:11:17LinusNi'll email you the files
14:12:04LinusNarnold-j@...bla bla?
14:12:11amiconnyup
14:12:17LinusNsent
14:12:41amiconnVery nice.
14:12:55LinusNwhy didn't i think of thet earlier?
14:13:49amiconnHow could I know?
14:14:31LinusNsilly me
14:15:37LinusNi can send you the old files when i come home
14:17:47amiconnThe images of the old measurements are still online at http://linus.haxx.se/recording/ iirc, so no need for this.
14:18:19LinusNok
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16:37:28McBilldoes anyone know if Spinrite will support the archos hard drive or not?
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20:46:35louie-dogcan someone tell me how to hard reset my v2 recorder? i had to do it once before but i've forgotten and i've looked all over the site with no luck
20:49:56kaboofahmm
20:50:00kaboofatry taking out the batteries
20:50:31louie-dogkind of difficult on a v2
20:50:36louie-dogthere's a button combo that does it
20:50:45louie-dogmaybe i'm just not holding them down long enough
20:50:49kaboofaoh
20:50:50kaboofanm
20:50:54kaboofasorry :X
20:51:06louie-dogah there we go
20:51:09louie-dogit was f1 + off
20:51:14louie-dogi was just not doing it long enough
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22:48:06[IDC]Dragongood evening!
22:48:14LaurentGsame for you
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22:58:15Erl_Hey Laurent!
22:58:37LaurentGhi
22:59:09Erl_I've been reading the logs about what you've been doing reverse-engineering the gmini 220, and it looks very interesting.
22:59:32Erl_I'm considering getting one, and being able to hack the "os" would be really cool.
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23:00:18Erl_...maybe I could help out at some point figuring out disassembled code or whatever.
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23:01:22Erl_I thought I saw somewhere that there was a Cygnus gcc for the assembler of the Gmini, is that wrong?
23:01:35Erl_I saw you say earlier I think that there was no gcc for it.
23:03:07Erl_ping?
23:04:48McBillwhat is the most powerfull Archos product? (it is my next step)
23:05:12[IDC]Dragondefine powerful
23:05:26[IDC]Dragoncapacity? enrgy consumption?
23:05:26LaurentGErl_: that's the 120, not the 220 :)
23:06:02McBillDefine may mean full multimedia feature and more customized OS
23:06:08Erl_Ok, I thougth you were working on the 220. Hm. Do you know how similar the hw is?
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23:06:14McBill*powerful I mean
23:06:17Erl_(comparing 120 and 220)
23:06:24LaurentGErl_: there's a gcc for it, but it has not been made public by Samsung, I found about in on a Korean university page
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23:06:53LaurentGErl_: but Strath has found a datasheet with the assembly language specs, so we can now write a gcc for it
23:06:56Erl_That's interesting in itself, wouldn't it be possible to force them to publish it due to the GPL?
23:07:17Erl_Many years ago I took a shot at writing a gcc back-end, and it was a pain.
23:07:47LaurentGErl_: the GPL only forces them to give the sources to people they give/sell the compiler, not to everyone
23:08:41Erl_I thought all modifications had to be published and contributed back to the project... But I may be wrong.
23:08:46LaurentGmoreover, there's also a non-gcc commercial compiler, that's the one they probably distribute
23:09:12Erl_But then again, frankly I think coding in assembler is underrated.
23:09:13LaurentGErl_: only to people to whom you give the binary
23:09:28Erl_But the first step has to be to write an assembler, I guess.
23:09:52LaurentGa disassembler I'd say, then an assembler ;)
23:11:08Erl_Right, but Strath has a first shot at a disassembler, right?
23:11:35Erl_Is your aim to port rockbox or write a sw pretty much from scratch?
23:13:17LaurentGI'd prefer to avoid reinventing the wheel ;)
23:13:24Erl_Actually the cpu I tried to write a back-end to gcc for years ago was also a 16 bit CPU, and that was part of the problem, I think gcc is much harder to port to a 16 bit CPU than 32 bit, because it pretty much assumes 32 bits as I recall
23:13:28LaurentGbut others might think differentely
23:13:50Erl_True (about the wheel), but I guess it depends on how well the wheel fits your cart, too :-)
23:13:53*McBill thanks LaurentG very much
23:13:56McBillcya all
23:14:03Erl_bye McBill
23:14:19LaurentGbye
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23:14:47LaurentGErl_: sure
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23:15:44Erl_I don't know enough about Rockbox to know how it would suit smaller devices.
23:17:10LaurentGme neither
23:17:58Erl_I wonder if there might be other free C compilers that might be easier to port to a 16 bit CPU than gcc.
23:19:12LaurentGlcc maybe
23:19:27Erl_Yeah, I remember hearing about lcc.
23:20:12LaurentGbut, gcc was "ported" to 8 bits cpu, it can produce code for the z80, 6502 and 6809 as far as I know, so it's doable even if painful :)
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