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| 04:08:52 | tpelliott | Help. I can't "play" jpg or ucl files. |
| 04:09:39 | tpelliott | My rockbox is flashed with the 5-24 buile. |
| 04:09:44 | tpelliott | build |
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| 05:47:50 | sagegoku | hey |
| 05:47:58 | sagegoku | how do i make use of the voice menus? |
| 05:48:14 | midk | rockbox.haxx.se/lang |
| 05:49:51 | sagegoku | download the .voice and click play on it? |
| 05:50:10 | midk | no, place it in your .rockbox/voice dir |
| 05:50:45 | midk | ah sorry, i see there are no instructions included |
| 05:50:55 | midk | no need to play it −− just entering the menu will load it |
| 05:50:56 | sagegoku | yah |
| 05:50:57 | sagegoku | well |
| 05:51:05 | sagegoku | i dled it to my jb |
| 05:51:14 | sagegoku | and i created a directory named voice |
| 05:51:18 | sagegoku | before you told me that |
| 05:51:27 | sagegoku | so im not so noobish afterall |
| 05:51:28 | sagegoku | hooray |
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| 05:51:32 | midk | lol :) |
| 05:51:33 | sagegoku | one more thing |
| 05:51:40 | midk | er |
| 05:51:40 | sagegoku | what does the video plugin do? |
| 05:51:40 | midk | sorry |
| 05:51:52 | midk | it goes in /.rockbox/langs i think :o |
| 05:51:55 | midk | it plays videos |
| 05:52:01 | sagegoku | what file format? |
| 05:52:12 | midk | .rvf |
| 05:52:15 | midk | rockbox only |
| 05:52:20 | midk | you have to convert your avi's |
| 05:52:32 | sagegoku | how do i convert? |
| 05:53:03 | midk | http://rockbox.haxx.se/rvf.html |
| 05:53:17 | midk | sorry |
| 05:53:17 | midk | sec |
| 05:53:49 | midk | aha |
| 05:53:49 | midk | http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/rvf.html |
| 05:54:32 | midk | i'd recommend the gui |
| 05:54:43 | midk | a link at the top |
| 05:57:57 | sagegoku | link doesnt work |
| 05:58:00 | sagegoku | for the gui |
| 05:58:05 | sagegoku | ill do it the old fashioned way |
| 05:58:16 | sagegoku | do i move my AVI to the same folder? |
| 05:58:20 | midk | yes |
| 05:58:27 | sagegoku | and does it have to already be in 122x75 or w/e? |
| 05:58:41 | sagegoku | 112x64 |
| 05:58:44 | midk | lol |
| 05:58:47 | midk | yes |
| 05:58:51 | sagegoku | or does it convert it for me |
| 05:58:53 | sagegoku | son of a bitch |
| 05:59:04 | sagegoku | so much for porn on the go |
| 05:59:10 | midk | if you can get the gui i think it does it automatically |
| 05:59:11 | sagegoku | luckily i have an av140 lol |
| 05:59:11 | midk | LOL |
| 05:59:14 | midk | ooh |
| 05:59:17 | midk | well full color |
| 05:59:18 | midk | just use that |
| 05:59:21 | sagegoku | yah |
| 05:59:24 | midk | *coughs |
| 05:59:27 | midk | full color... |
| 05:59:28 | midk | yeah |
| 05:59:30 | midk | good one huh |
| 05:59:32 | sagegoku | i'd prefer my jbr20 |
| 05:59:32 | midk | heh...... |
| 05:59:35 | sagegoku | cuz its so badass |
| 05:59:50 | midk | it sure is |
| 05:59:54 | midk | it surely is!* |
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| 06:00:20 | sagegoku | well |
| 06:00:21 | sagegoku | g2g |
| 06:00:25 | sagegoku | ill do it laterz |
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| 06:00:27 | midk | good luck on getting that |
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| 07:32:37 | midk | bye everybody :) |
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| 08:19:48 | Guest1 | Hi, I just downloaded RB 2.2 for recorder, and am very impressed with it. However, I was wondering if it had a hold mode? I couldn't find anything in the FAQ... |
| 08:20:36 | dwihno | Press F1+down |
| 08:20:53 | Guest1 | Thanks alot |
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| 08:42:26 | mattzz | g'morning |
| 08:42:33 | LinusN | helo |
| 08:46:04 | dwihno | Howdy ho |
| 08:47:05 | mattzz | I was wondering if there was a way that the archos remembered the last playing directory (e.g. pressing "on" while playing). Very often I find myself in the root directory after playing a song. |
| 08:47:44 | LinusN | mattzz: set "follow playlist" to "yes" |
| 08:48:01 | mattzz | Ah, I always wondered what _that_ was for ;-) |
| 08:48:07 | * | mattzz slaps himself |
| 08:48:16 | LinusN | there's a manual, you know... :-) |
| 08:48:47 | mattzz | but that is soooo outdated ;) |
| 08:48:54 | * | mattzz ducks |
| 08:48:58 | * | LinusN slaps mattzz |
| 08:49:56 | mattzz | btw: whats up with my metronome patch? |
| 08:50:05 | * | mattzz whistles and looks into the sky |
| 08:50:08 | LinusN | ah, you changed the timing |
| 08:50:19 | dwihno | Am I the only one who wants a special key combo for rare "follow playlist" actions? |
| 08:51:28 | mattzz | dwinho: ALT F1, 3 times down and CTRL left should do the trick ;-) |
| 08:56:22 | dwihno | Well, excuse me for being serious! :P :) |
| 08:56:38 | LinusN | mattzz: committed |
| 08:56:53 | mattzz | Linus, thanks |
| 08:58:21 | mattzz | dwinho: I think there should be one or more key-combos reserved that should be user definable. The discussion about _what_ function to put in a certain key combo would lead to a never ending discussion I think |
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| 09:00:52 | mattzz | moin jens |
| 09:01:05 | dwihno | mattzz: Until someone has written an acceptable completely configurable key-binding thingy, I guess the only way is to keep a CVS copy and apply whatever custom changes you want. |
| 09:01:43 | mattzz | dwinho, yup - a bad workaround for the initiated |
| 09:02:41 | dwihno | LinusN: do you know of how many attempts there has been made? |
| 09:03:36 | mattzz | we should discuss that in context of the UI discussion in the wiki. IMHO a first step would be to identify "free" key combos |
| 09:11:51 | mattzz | http://rockbox.gratiswiki.dk/cgi-bin/gratiswiki.pl?UserDefinableKeyCombos |
| 09:12:15 | dwihno | Nah. The entire user interface should have completely configurable key bindings :) |
| 09:12:32 | mattzz | uhh.... |
| 09:14:36 | amiconn | hi mattzz |
| 09:15:35 | mattzz | brb |
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| 12:34:36 | mattzz | When I listened to a directory of songs, the player finished and switched off due to idle I find myself in the root directory after switching on the Jukebox. Is that intended? |
| 12:37:08 | mattzz | (following playlist is set to "on") |
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| 12:44:55 | LinusN | mattzz|away: the "follow playlist" feature is only active when the music is playing |
| 12:45:36 | LinusN | the resume feature remembers which song is playing, not which directory you were browsing |
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| 12:47:48 | mattzz | hm, I would prefer the jukebox remembering the current directory. |
| 12:49:10 | mattzz | If you have many directories, with some sub directories it could save some time. |
| 12:49:59 | mattzz | going back to the root dir is always simple and fast - continuing an action in the last directory is quite painfull because you have to find it again first. |
| 12:50:12 | pfavr | mattzz, I agree ! |
| 12:50:34 | pfavr | somebody contributed on the UI wiki - great! |
| 12:50:44 | * | mattzz was somebody |
| 12:51:12 | * | pfavr commented on http://rockbox.gratiswiki.dk/cgi-bin/gratiswiki.pl?UserDefinableKeyCombos |
| 12:52:16 | pfavr | I heard the argument: if everything is configurable then it will be too difficult to support. Wonder about how the WPS got so configurable? |
| 12:54:19 | mattzz | WPS is passive. Either you find the info or you dont - depends on you. Key assignment and usage is a pretty active task that could lead to a lot of confusion if done wrong (delete recursively e.g.) |
| 12:55:53 | pfavr | Let's say it is only configurable through text files. Then only "hackers" will start to mess with it? Would that be good enough do you think? |
| 12:57:28 | pfavr | hmm, should take this discussion to the wiki instead:-) |
| 12:58:06 | elinenbe | quick question: the sony CD changer emulation that was sent out on the mailing list.. do you need to do any hardware mods for that? |
| 12:59:33 | mattzz | pfavr: Maybe an extract of the discussion should be put in the wiki. IRC is a better medium for discussion in my opinion |
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| 13:00:12 | pfavr | mattzz, yes, but sometimes if you only put in the conclusion then the motivation gets lost. |
| 13:00:29 | mattzz | pfavr: I agree |
| 13:01:47 | pfavr | If possible, the context menus could be made configurable. A default config would be provided in the config file (like the WPS). |
| 13:02:28 | elinenbe | pfavr: configurable context and quick menus would be genius |
| 13:02:46 | elinenbe | f2.cfg f3.cfg etc... |
| 13:02:51 | pfavr | It would also make it much simpler to do changes to the context menues without having to modify the source code - fewer errors |
| 13:03:20 | pfavr | elinenbe, I would like them to be dependant on which screen is visible |
| 13:03:56 | pfavr | and then move (almost) everything from the Main menu out into the context menus |
| 13:04:02 | LinusN | allowing the user to modify the context sensitive menus is a bad idea imho |
| 13:04:55 | LinusN | i think only one menu should be configurable |
| 13:04:56 | mattzz | A redesign of the menu structure with respect to a model/view/controller aproach was discussed some weeks ago here on IRC |
| 13:05:07 | LinusN | and that menu could very well be context sensitive |
| 13:05:41 | pfavr | I would like to have global accelerator keys as well |
| 13:06:24 | pfavr | LinusN, what is the reason for not having the whole UI configurable - bloat? |
| 13:07:13 | LinusN | simple, if we add/remove features we want them to appear in the menus |
| 13:07:39 | LinusN | regardless of the user config |
| 13:08:09 | LinusN | i don't want to spend my entire IRC time answering questions like "i can't find XXX in my menus" |
| 13:08:54 | pfavr | LinusN, then maybe two levels of key assignments - one system and one for the user? - If the user file is deleted then you're back to system defaults? |
| 13:09:23 | pfavr | That would ease the support - just tell everybody experiencing problems to delete the file |
| 13:10:17 | pfavr | mattzz, yes I think that some effort would be needed in order to support the configurable menus |
| 13:12:38 | LinusN | also, making every menu/keystroke configurable will make the code bloated |
| 13:14:03 | pfavr | LinusN, you're probably right. But if it was possible to do it in a nice clean way without requiring too much space, then I think it would be nice |
| 13:14:37 | pfavr | Maybe some of the existing code could benefit also |
| 13:15:38 | pfavr | (to me it seems the UI stuff interspersed in the code makes it hard to understand - but maybe it is just me being too stupid) |
| 13:17:07 | dwihno | Ok, imagine having a cfg file. Key combination followed by a function callbak |
| 13:17:10 | dwihno | callback |
| 13:17:18 | dwihno | Does it make any sense? |
| 13:17:36 | LinusN | c0utta has a pretty good starting point for this |
| 13:18:01 | LinusN | it follows the NEWKEYS idea |
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| 13:18:46 | pfavr | dwihno, yes, something like that |
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| 13:19:10 | pfavr | maybe the keys should not be configurable in a config file - without recompile? |
| 13:19:31 | pfavr | that way we would be sure only people able to support themselves would change the keys |
| 13:20:22 | LinusN | configurable *keys* is a difficult thing to add |
| 13:20:28 | LinusN | especially combos |
| 13:21:12 | LinusN | since the fw acts on combionations of press/release |
| 13:21:19 | pfavr | LinusN, yes, we would need a new ui system - maybe with events representing not only keys but also commands |
| 13:22:00 | pfavr | LinusN, the things described at the wiki could be done in small steps I think. Some of the feature requests are along the NEWKEYS idea and are just small patches I think |
| 13:22:16 | pfavr | But the discussion is valuable anyway |
| 13:22:19 | pfavr | http://rockbox.gratiswiki.dk/cgi-bin/gratiswiki.pl?Feature_Requests |
| 13:29:53 | * | Bagder pokes on the configure script |
| 13:31:59 | * | pfavr talks to much - codes too little |
| 13:33:47 | Bagder | my wife says I do the opposite ;-) |
| 13:40:19 | * | pfavr pizza time |
| 13:48:22 | c0utta | wow, a conversation about NEWKEYS |
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| 14:54:24 | pfavr | c0utta, did you have a look at the wiki? |
| 14:54:38 | c0utta | i've added to the wiki! |
| 14:54:57 | pfavr | c0utta, great! |
| 14:55:17 | c0utta | what you describe is exactly what i've done with my patch |
| 14:57:03 | pfavr | c0utta, great! (not a large vocabulary I have) |
| 14:57:20 | c0utta | i'm currently working on duplicating On+Play functionality for F3 and I will submit my patch again |
| 14:57:20 | c0utta | lol |
| 14:58:02 | pfavr | c0utta, just read you comments on the wiki - what you describe sound pretty much like it |
| 14:58:33 | pfavr | but also the idea about the screens and having a global way to toggle between them would be nice |
| 14:59:02 | c0utta | screens as in playlist/wps/recording ? |
| 14:59:08 | pfavr | Do you think the main menu could become almost empty because the stuff goes into the context menues? |
| 14:59:16 | pfavr | yes |
| 14:59:25 | pfavr | and plugin screen |
| 14:59:57 | c0utta | no, i think that F1 must remain because it is the master |
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| 15:00:48 | pfavr | I think there needs to be a "system menu" but it will be so rarely used that I don't mind if it needs a three-finger combo |
| 15:00:55 | pfavr | ;-) |
| 15:02:07 | pfavr | Using the small keyboard - if we add things like holding down and or double click then the recorder has A LOT of key combos. But to use it efficiently I think we need an event queue and a global keyboard manager something |
| 15:02:26 | pfavr | this could also allow for global accelerator keys |
| 15:03:27 | c0utta | i like the double click idea. i started to look at adding it but haven't followed it through yet |
| 15:04:58 | c0utta | an event queue is a good idea too. i wondered whether we could have another thread just for keyboard/event |
| 15:05:04 | pfavr | c0utta, I think it is a bit difficult to change the key handling code - because the drawing and checking for keys is done all over the place? Maybe someone could come up with a more clean way to do it |
| 15:05:23 | c0utta | but i don't know enough about threading ! |
| 15:05:34 | pfavr | I'm not fluent in the code (yet) |
| 15:06:23 | pfavr | But if I want to show an overlay for .5 second then I cannot do that from some global place... I need to make sure the screen is redrawed afterwards. |
| 15:06:34 | c0utta | most of the keypresses are handled from a couple of functions - the button_get series |
| 15:06:55 | pfavr | (and that depends on what rockbox is doing before I put on my overlay) |
| 15:08:05 | pfavr | But the dispatching is done intermixed with the functionality of the WPS for example - using a switch (it is ok to do it this way - just wondering if we could come up with someting better) |
| 15:09:26 | pfavr | I suggested doing "backing store" for the overlays... but maybe it could be handled without. Using a global flag lcd_invalidated or something |
| 15:09:42 | c0utta | the patch i'm writing has this in mind, but will start with F2/F3. My idea was to be able to assign buttons to events in any context |
| 15:09:51 | pfavr | or lcd_needs_redraw |
| 15:10:12 | pfavr | ok |
| 15:17:43 | c0utta | at the moment, my greatest challenge is to isolate the ui from the actions. i believe that (for example) wps and tree need to be more "object oriented" in their approach |
| 15:17:52 | c0utta | I can hear Linus groaning now |
| 15:18:44 | pfavr | c0utta, I think I agree with you (can also hear Linus ;-) |
| 15:19:19 | c0utta | as an example, loading a CFG file. When I started I thought this would be an easy task |
| 15:19:41 | c0utta | but if the font changes, then a refresh must be forced |
| 15:20:01 | c0utta | very hard to do because the ui is so closely linked to the actions |
| 15:20:35 | pfavr | Can it be solved by just having a standard way of forcing a refresh? |
| 15:20:55 | pfavr | invalidate_lcd() |
| 15:21:06 | pfavr | which sets a global variable |
| 15:21:18 | pfavr | then the loop of each screen just checks this |
| 15:21:37 | c0utta | i'd actually do tree_invalidate() and wps_invalidate() |
| 15:21:40 | c0utta | depending on the context |
| 15:21:52 | pfavr | But why have two different functions? |
| 15:22:13 | pfavr | that is exactly what forces you to be aware of the context |
| 15:22:43 | c0utta | true - maybe the LCD needs to be treated as an "object" too |
| 15:23:09 | pfavr | If calling it an object then fine with me - everything is an object you know ;-) |
| 15:23:39 | pfavr | It is more about "cutting the cake in the right sized pieces" |
| 15:23:47 | pfavr | (in my vocabulary) |
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| 15:24:08 | c0utta | beautiful |
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| 15:24:29 | * | pfavr probably did talk too much - now they're all leaving |
| 15:25:19 | c0utta | yes, me too. it's bed time for me |
| 15:25:35 | pfavr | c0utta, nice talking to you, sleep tight |
| 15:25:49 | c0utta | cheers mate |
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| 23:24:37 | Rjc1286 | is anyone here? |
| 23:25:01 | mattzz | yup |
| 23:25:05 | Rjc1286 | nice |
| 23:25:25 | mattzz | that question was easy |
| 23:25:26 | Rjc1286 | can you help with cygwin |
| 23:25:40 | mattzz | maybe - go ahead |
| 23:26:26 | Rjc1286 | i've been trying to make my own builds, i load them into the rockbox, but when i load a plugin that uses grayscale, i get an |
| 23:26:46 | Rjc1286 | "I09:cpuadrEr at 091 |
| 23:27:00 | Rjc1286 | FA5C2" |
| 23:27:10 | Rjc1286 | sorry about the random returns |
| 23:27:22 | mattzz | did you restart the jukebox after flashing? |
| 23:27:27 | Rjc1286 | yup |
| 23:27:31 | amiconn | Rjc1286: Argh, grayscale is me :( |
| 23:27:56 | * | mattzz hands over to amiconn |
| 23:28:03 | Rjc1286 | thank you |
| 23:28:09 | amiconn | Did you change something in the source of the plugin(s) that you try to use? |
| 23:28:27 | Rjc1286 | no, i'm gonna try to get non-changed build to work first |
| 23:29:30 | amiconn | Do you use cvs source or daily tarball? |
| 23:29:36 | Rjc1286 | cvs |
| 23:30:25 | amiconn | Hmm, lemme check a current cvs compile. I've _heavily_ changed grayscale locally meanwhile. |
| 23:30:42 | Rjc1286 | alright, thanks |
| 23:30:43 | * | amiconn makes a clean cvs build |
| 23:31:19 | Rjc1286 | could this have something to do with the fact that the rocks don't compile until i run make three times? |
| 23:32:01 | amiconn | ?:-( |
| 23:32:07 | * | amiconn is confused |
| 23:32:26 | amiconn | Which version of cygwin and (especially) sh-elf-gcc do you run? |
| 23:32:34 | mattzz | I remember that I had this once with a cygwin environment... |
| 23:32:34 | Rjc1286 | newest |
| 23:33:01 | Rjc1286 | let me check though |
| 23:33:50 | mattzz | did you use http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/cygwin_sdk.html ? |
| 23:34:10 | Rjc1286 | yeah |
| 23:34:27 | Rjc1286 | should i re-install? |
| 23:34:38 | Rjc1286 | is step four new? |
| 23:35:10 | amiconn | Rjc1286: Which plugin did give you the above-mentioned address error? |
| 23:35:33 | Rjc1286 | all the ones with greyscale, except mandelbrot |
| 23:35:46 | * | mattzz grins |
| 23:36:20 | amiconn | Yes, but the address is (should be) different for each of the plugins. I want to know which one gave the mentoined address |
| 23:36:28 | amiconn | *mentioned |
| 23:36:50 | Rjc1286 | jpeg |
| 23:37:24 | * | amiconn disassembles the clean jpeg.rock to see what is there |
| 23:41:36 | amiconn | Rjc1286: Could you tell me the exact file size of your jpeg.rock (in bytes, to verify that mine is the same) |
| 23:42:26 | Rjc1286 | 27.7kb |
| 23:43:37 | hardeep | do you see the error when using the rocks from the bleeding edge build? |
| 23:43:47 | amiconn | Hmm, then either some of your sources are not current or you use a different version of sh-elf-gcc |
| 23:43:49 | Rjc1286 | haven't tried it |
| 23:44:07 | Rjc1286 | i just noticed that step four on the cygwin help page |
| 23:44:14 | amiconn | Jpeg.rock should be 28.3kb, built from current sources |
| 23:44:15 | Rjc1286 | i had sh-el-gcc in bin |
| 23:45:08 | Rjc1286 | i took it out of there, and edited my profile, and now i'm doing a build, i'll tell you how it comes out |
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| 23:48:58 | Rjc1286 | now it's not building the rocks again |
| 23:49:05 | Rjc1286 | at all |
| 23:49:50 | Rjc1286 | but i have to go, i'll most likely be back, thanks for all your help thus far |
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| 23:52:31 | amiconn | mattzz: Did you know that you could make grayscale mandelbrot go faster? |
| 23:56:09 | pfavr | amiconn, overclocking? |
| 23:56:52 | amiconn | No, using an optimized function available in later versions of the grayscale framework. |
| 23:57:12 | pfavr | ok :-) |
| 23:57:19 | amiconn | This may triple the pixel-output speed |
| 23:58:10 | pfavr | cool! |
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