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00:40:23 | xam | Hi, I have one question: why are *.ucl not included in the bleeding edge builds? |
00:48:46 | scott666 | bleeding edge or dailys? |
00:48:56 | xam | bleeding edge |
00:49:22 | scott666 | not sure, ask bagder |
00:50:18 | scott666 | whats in the bleeding edge today? |
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03:17:02 | scott666 | can anyone tell me what the wire on the bottom left corner of this picture (http://rockbox.haxx.se/internals/fmrec_bottom_hires.jpg) that goes to the headphone jack is? |
03:17:30 | scott666 | and if its important that the inner insulation got pulled out while i was trying to strip it |
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04:32:38 | BC|coding | pfavr, you're up late |
04:34:15 | xam | wanna see a tight furry pussy? here: http://foxxo.net/tight furry pussy!.jpg |
04:35:52 | BC|coding | lol |
04:36:02 | scott666_ | you need to convert the spaces |
04:36:06 | scott666_ | http://foxxo.net/tight%20furry%20pussy!.jpg |
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04:37:07 | xam | scott: well, konqueror can handle it, and I just did a copy'n'paste. but you are right ... I should have converted the spaces into %20 |
04:38:14 | scott666 | mozilla can handle it too, but trillian didnt make the rest of it a link |
04:38:29 | BC|coding | hey scott, I got my new gfx lib going :) |
04:38:35 | scott666 | hooray |
04:38:41 | BC|coding | and we found one of the bugs in audio-3587 |
04:38:47 | scott666 | im fixing my jack |
04:38:54 | BC|coding | kewl :) |
04:38:56 | scott666 | the thing with the off code? |
04:39:12 | BC|coding | yeah |
04:39:51 | xam | BC is there any estimate when the audio-3587 will be incororated/compatible with the mainstream rockbox? |
04:40:46 | BC|coding | it's at the top of my htlist |
04:41:08 | BC|coding | I needed to fix the gfx lib for it, so I did that while waiting feedback |
04:41:17 | BC|coding | got a few bugs to fix and a couple of mods to make |
04:42:42 | xam | cool |
04:48:46 | xam | btw, does the audio-3587 actually improve the sound quality? or does it "just" allow you to fiddle with more settings of the MAS decoder? |
04:49:37 | BC|coding | both i think is the best answer |
04:49:44 | * | xam still hasn't found his usb cable ... sigh |
04:52:03 | BC|coding | make one from carboard and tin foil |
04:52:25 | BC|coding | some old bell wire from the telephone extension cable and some paper glue |
04:52:43 | BC|coding | you may want to get a responsible adult to help you with the cutting - LOL |
04:52:43 | scott666 | its the jack thats the tricky part |
04:52:57 | BC|coding | wrap tinfoil around matched :) |
04:53:01 | BC|coding | metches |
04:53:06 | BC|coding | MATCHES |
04:53:15 | BC|coding | damn this azerty keyboard |
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04:53:23 | scott666 | azerty? |
04:53:41 | scott666 | where is that from? |
04:53:42 | BC|coding | my point precisely! |
04:53:44 | BC|coding | LOL |
04:53:56 | BC|coding | ah dammit you got me now ...I don't know |
04:53:57 | scott666 | oh god...maybe i should bring a keyboard with me to france |
04:54:13 | scott666 | dunno if i could live without qwerty |
04:54:15 | BC|coding | yeah their keyboard all have wine spilled in them |
04:54:19 | xam | azerty? that's french keyboard layout |
04:54:40 | BC|coding | arabic |
04:55:02 | xam | well, arabic and french then ;) |
04:55:04 | scott666 | yes, azerty = french |
04:55:05 | scott666 | lol |
04:55:27 | BC|coding | oh top link in google says arabic |
04:55:33 | BC|coding | yeah, take a keyboard |
04:55:44 | BC|coding | send me your address and I'll post you a spare |
04:55:48 | BC|coding | lol |
04:56:24 | xam | BC well, it's african layout in general ... http://www.bisharat.net/A12N/Projects/AfriqueTabletKeyboard.htm |
04:56:56 | BC|coding | thta M would be the killer I think |
04:58:22 | xam | it's obviously the same as the french layout here: http://simeon.library.reed.edu/lang/frenchkeyboard.html |
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05:00:59 | xam | yes, I was once on a coding fest, and I didn't bring my laptop (was broken) ... a french guy said I could use his laptop during the event ... that were the worst 5 days of coding in my life |
05:01:10 | BC|coding | lol |
05:01:25 | BC|coding | scare you for life, an expereince like that |
05:01:29 | BC|coding | scar |
05:01:37 | xam | basically every 3rd letter a typo |
05:02:19 | xam | yes. no wonder there are not many good french coders out there ;-P |
05:03:20 | BC|coding | all the best coder i know nodays are german |
05:03:25 | BC|coding | coders* |
05:03:44 | BC|coding | generally speaking of course |
05:04:06 | xam | luckil they comment in english most of the time ... at least in OSS |
05:04:27 | scott666 | nice the way that works |
05:04:46 | BC|coding | hmm, I've seen plenty of french commented code |
05:04:47 | BC|coding | :( |
05:04:54 | BC|coding | too damn close to the place |
05:05:18 | xam | BC: something along the lines "merde merde merde ..." ? |
05:05:33 | BC|coding | i wouldn't mind, but I only ever have to deal it because it doesn't work! |
05:05:48 | BC|coding | crap code with useless comments - lol |
05:05:58 | BC|coding | sounds like the klondike alpha code |
05:06:10 | scott666 | haha |
05:06:27 | scott666 | my shuffling algorithm still there? |
05:06:55 | BC|coding | wellllllllllll, |
05:06:56 | BC|coding | your random number generators are still there |
05:07:14 | scott666 | no riffle? |
05:07:32 | BC|coding | i optimised a load of code, and sorry, the suffles were optimised |
05:07:50 | scott666 | damn |
05:08:02 | BC|coding | iirc all three riflles are now done by one routine |
05:08:07 | BC|coding | you still got your name in there |
05:08:16 | scott666 | yay |
05:08:16 | scott666 | lol |
05:08:31 | BC|coding | right above the code you helped with |
05:09:09 | scott666 | so whats with this code tainting business |
05:09:26 | xam | speaking about optimization ... I have to speed up my graph matching algo by a factor 60 ... at least 60 ... mhhh |
05:09:29 | scott666 | am i disqualified for submitting code? |
05:09:31 | BC|coding | something bagder (iirc) said |
05:09:59 | BC|coding | I have no idea what's going on for real any more dude, I'm just waiting for it all to go away |
05:11:28 | scott666 | and then what if the core guys looked at it? |
05:11:43 | BC|coding | who can say? |
05:11:48 | scott666 | björns head would explode... |
05:11:49 | scott666 | lol |
05:12:05 | BC|coding | I guess the rule would change or be lied about - only logical choices |
05:12:06 | xam | scott the thing is, once you have looked at code/documentation that falls under a NDA or is patented, you cannot/should not partitipate in a clean-room implementation, since you might use/apply knowledge of the things you have seen (and not allowed to do use) |
05:12:33 | BC|coding | xam: the thing is there is no NDA code |
05:12:40 | scott666 | or patent |
05:12:50 | scott666 | bluechips just plain scum :-) |
05:12:58 | scott666 | lol |
05:13:08 | BC|coding | not even finest green pond scum? |
05:13:20 | BC|coding | "'tis a lump of pure green m'lord" |
05:13:24 | xam | BC is the stuff (API/docs/whatever) publically available? |
05:13:35 | BC|coding | for what? |
05:13:45 | scott666 | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/cyborgsystems/CS_Main/RockBox/RockBox.htm |
05:14:28 | xam | well, it doesn't even have to be a NDA ... it is sufficient if it is proprietary. That is that the code is not licenced under a public license |
05:14:52 | scott666 | but it IS gpl, isnt it? |
05:15:02 | BC|coding | for what? |
05:15:11 | BC|coding | api for what, my gfx lib? |
05:15:21 | BC|coding | not posted it yet, but it will be |
05:15:22 | scott666 | BC: in general |
05:15:33 | BC|coding | is the api for everything in general available - lol |
05:19:09 | xam | BC generally speaking, if s.o. uses info that is not publically available (to everyone) in order to code something, then he/she cannot publish it under a public license. Eg. you worked at a company, left it, and then you write a plugin that uses internal API which is not documented ... that could cause problems ... however if s.o. else reverse engineered the code and found out how to write a plugin, that would be okay |
05:20:45 | scott666 | xam: what if someone writes GPL code but refuses to disclose their name and someone else uses ideas from it in an open project |
05:21:03 | BC|coding | everything that was done in audio-3587 is clearly extracted from the pdf from the rockbox site - so all is well in this case |
05:21:27 | BC|coding | good on 'em |
05:21:34 | BC|coding | that's the spirit of free |
05:21:57 | BC|coding | oh right, think i misread one |
05:22:01 | BC|coding | someone* |
05:22:24 | BC|coding | yeah, that is probably the point that was made - i do not contest it - i was just explaining it to scot |
05:22:28 | xam | So as soon as the person has seen code that was for internal use only (and not published), he shouldn't write a open-source implementation similar to what he has seen. Even if it doesn't implement the code he's seen, he might have been 'inspired' (at least the company can claim that ... and he cannot proof the opposite) |
05:22:50 | xam | BC yes, in that case everything is fine |
05:23:25 | BC|coding | The things I have security clearance for are not available for discussion - reading pdf's from a gpl site should be safe here |
05:23:54 | xam | I just only wanted to point out the general issue to scott (and you) in case it was unclear |
05:24:16 | scott666 | i understand the general issue |
05:24:21 | scott666 | its the specific one thats confusing |
05:24:25 | BC|coding | oh god no, i've done clean room work myself |
05:24:44 | BC|coding | good fun :) |
05:24:59 | BC|coding | paid for hacking :) |
05:27:52 | scott666 | well im back to my headphone jack |
05:28:03 | scott666 | hopefully ill bbs |
05:29:06 | xam | BC the problem lies in the fact that you obviously have seen some stuff that falls under NDA (and you most likely signed a NDA I assume). As long as the stuff you are coding is nowhere near (ie. not related to) the stuff you contribute to rockbox, it's all fine. From what I've read one the mailing lists, the other rockbox developers are just not really sure whether you might contribute stuff that could be related to your NDA stuff ... |
05:29:17 | BC|coding | i have signed no nda |
05:29:41 | xam | ... since this would taint a clean-room implemenation and thus endanger the project. |
05:29:45 | BC|coding | sorry, you mean, generally in life? or with regard to rockbox? |
05:30:09 | xam | BC well, you said you have a "security clearance" |
05:30:16 | xam | BC what does that mean? |
05:30:19 | BC|coding | not at archos - LMAO |
05:31:01 | BC|coding | or mas, or any (afaik) even vaguely related companies |
05:31:17 | xam | BC no, it just need to be something related to the hardware ... e.g. internal knowledge of the MAS chip that was never published |
05:31:33 | BC|coding | nope, none of that |
05:31:48 | BC|coding | why do you think I should have access to top secret rockbox-y type stuff? |
05:32:47 | xam | BC well, after all you once said you could get the code (or you had the code) to reprogramme the MAS to be able to play something else than MP3 ... |
05:34:21 | BC|coding | we have the codec for the wav file for a parallel wired chip (which ours is not) which I was allowed and have the email that says it was released openly and knowingly by the mirconas support team knowing it was for an open project |
05:34:58 | xam | BC I see, thanks for the clarification |
05:35:08 | BC|coding | the closest to getting something useful was found in hungarian as a university course |
05:35:24 | xam | mhh .. hungarian |
05:35:41 | BC|coding | if you squint you can start to rad it after a hile |
05:35:43 | BC|coding | while |
05:35:47 | BC|coding | read |
05:36:04 | * | BC|coding bangs side of keybaord to wake up little man |
05:36:18 | kaboofa | listen to this to wake up : |
05:36:19 | kaboofa | 286. 01_Ludwig_Van_Beethoven_-_romanticheskaya_klassika_-_simfoniya_N_5_do_minor,_soch._67._Allegro_Con_Brio.mp3 [7:55 / 192kbps] |
05:36:23 | kaboofa | :) |
05:36:35 | BC|coding | yes, tis nice :) |
05:36:50 | kaboofa | My dream is to drive down the autobahn at 999999999KM/h listening to that |
05:37:15 | BC|coding | Not the spice girls then? |
05:37:48 | xam | kaboofa: I once had a accident (total crash) while listening to "Loss of Control" from Van Halen |
05:38:02 | xam | kaboofa: not kidding |
05:39:10 | kaboofa | heh |
05:39:23 | kaboofa | My friend blared some song on an airplane |
05:39:32 | BC|coding | Having studied hypnotism during the last couple of years, that really doesn't surprise me - most poeple are more suggestible than they would like to believe |
05:39:53 | kaboofa | it was like "flying high/ in the sky/ about to meet my maker/ white clouds, black ground / about to make a craiter" |
05:39:55 | kaboofa | and he shouted it out |
05:40:11 | scott666 | god damn that tiny PCB |
05:40:18 | scott666 | and its 4 tiny little wires |
05:41:09 | BC|coding | wire for spares in place and then join them |
05:41:12 | BC|coding | four |
05:41:25 | xam | kaboofa: was this before or after 911? |
05:43:16 | kaboofa | before |
05:43:25 | xam | kaboofa: lucky him |
05:43:32 | kaboofa | he did it after that sgt. skippy thing |
05:43:33 | kaboofa | hold on |
05:43:57 | BC|coding | anyone here coding? |
05:44:02 | kaboofa | Not allowed to sing "High Speed Dirt" by Megadeth during airborne operations. ("See the earth below/ Soon to make a crater/ Blue sky, black death/ I'm off to meet my maker") |
05:44:18 | kaboofa | http://www.avalanchetankers.us/archives/000058.html |
05:44:41 | xam | kaboofa: there goes free speach |
05:45:54 | BC|coding | Must never call an SAS a 'Wanker'. |
05:45:55 | BC|coding | LMAO |
05:47:23 | BC|coding | that WOULD potentially be fatal |
05:47:29 | kaboofa | Putting red 'Mike and Ike's' ® into a prescription medicine bottle, and then eating them all in a formation is not funny. |
05:47:40 | BC|coding | lol |
05:47:53 | kaboofa | The following items do not exist: Keys to the Drop Zone, A box of grid squares, blinker fluid, winter air for tires, canopy lights, or Chem-Light ® batteries. |
05:48:15 | kaboofa | No military functions are to be performed .Skyclad'. |
05:48:16 | scott666 | lol |
05:48:16 | kaboofa | haah |
05:48:18 | kaboofa | that's a witch one |
05:48:26 | kaboofa | skyclad = naked for ritual |
05:48:39 | xam | kaboofa: hehe ... blinker fluid ... classic one |
05:48:56 | xam | aswell as winter air |
05:49:23 | kaboofa | Must not make T-shirts up depciting a pig with the writing "Eat Pork or Die" in Arabic to bring as civilian attire when preparing to deploy to a primarily Muslim country. |
05:49:43 | * | xam knows a blonde that actually fell for winter air |
05:50:14 | scott666 | there was a blicker fluid joke in red vs blue |
05:50:21 | scott666 | *blinker |
05:51:26 | scott666 | 'Napalm sticks to kids' is *not* a motivational phrase. |
05:51:36 | xam | I don't understand all this religions stuff (I didn't want to say crap, since it could offend some people here in the chan) |
05:51:55 | BC|coding | agnostic |
05:52:11 | kaboofa | wiccan, but i don't care if you say anything to 'piss me off' |
05:52:35 | xam | BC kind of |
05:52:44 | scott666 | unitarians leave burning question marks in peoples yards |
05:52:55 | BC|coding | lol |
05:53:35 | xam | BC what I wanted to say is I don't know why so many people care about religion, and sometimes in such a fanatic way |
05:54:02 | BC|coding | serious question? |
05:54:31 | xam | yeah |
05:55:12 | BC|coding | there is a great article by Dick Sutphen called something like "their fight for you mind" ...it's quite short, good reading and all over the net - take a read of it - it is VERY interesting |
05:56:50 | scott666 | its organized brain-washing |
05:57:18 | BC|coding | in a way, yes, but is that so wrong? |
05:57:45 | xam | I understand the need for religion (for many people), especially in poor countries or where people suffer. It's something they can hold on, something that gives them hope. But it doesn't explain those fanatics (eg. those who want to convert everybody. Not neccessarily the dangerous ones) |
05:58:27 | xam | scott yes, brain-washed is correct. |
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06:01:24 | BC|coding | you only believe that because the environment you come from brain-washed you in to believing it ....you were not born with that opinion |
06:01:43 | kaboofa | Heh |
06:01:53 | scott666 | i think any large group of people that will just do whatever a religious leader tells them to without thinking for themselves is a bad idea |
06:02:04 | BC|coding | school |
06:02:06 | BC|coding | politics |
06:02:11 | BC|coding | office work |
06:02:21 | scott666 | exactly |
06:02:40 | BC|coding | it is an inherent part of mans need to be superior |
06:03:01 | BC|coding | how can you be "cool" if there are no "dweebs"?s |
06:04:17 | scott666 | and the converse being that its not possible to be cool without also being a sheep? |
06:05:00 | BC|coding | the dichotomy |
06:05:13 | BC|coding | aka "damned if you do, damned if you dont" |
06:06:30 | BC|coding | by the very nature of religeon it is defined by the individual to fulfill any needs they cannot find in manifest - it's where you go when you want MORE |
06:07:37 | BC|coding | might i venture so far as to suggest that it is one of the less self-indulgent forms of greed? |
06:07:58 | xam | BC I go to the local porn video store if I want more ... or to the super market ... depending on what I want more |
06:08:34 | BC|coding | those things can all be found in manifest (you can touch it) |
06:08:42 | xam | BC fair enough |
06:08:50 | scott666 | extermemly literally on the former |
06:09:14 | BC|coding | what about absolvement from sins - if you have never done something you were ashamed of you haven;'t lived |
06:09:30 | scott666 | what if you just dont feel ashamed? |
06:09:50 | BC|coding | then "you" don't need that part of religeon |
06:09:54 | xam | BC but what about knowledge? you could also satisfy your greed by seeking knowledge instead of simply believing in god(s) |
06:10:17 | BC|coding | xam: yeah, that's probably my vice! |
06:12:51 | kaboofa | I like my religion. Mostly because it's fun |
06:13:04 | kaboofa | Because you get to run around a fire and stuff |
06:13:10 | kaboofa | yeah, i'm weird, i'll go back to code. |
06:13:45 | BC|coding | I know a few witches, they seem happy with their choice |
06:14:12 | BC|coding | the bc_gfx and bc_rnd libs are pretty much ready if you wanna play |
06:14:22 | kaboofa | oooh |
06:14:24 | kaboofa | sweet |
06:14:43 | xam | kaboofa: fire stuff? |
06:15:01 | kaboofa | xam: may 1st there is usually a huge bonfire and music |
06:15:32 | xam | reminds me of burning man |
06:15:37 | BC|coding | cooking marsh mallows, singing kum by jah, bruning children, the usual stuff |
06:15:38 | kaboofa | heh |
06:15:38 | BC|coding | LOL |
06:15:41 | kaboofa | i want to go to burning man |
06:15:54 | kaboofa | HEY! WE DON'T COOK MARSHMALLOWS! |
06:15:55 | scott666 | kaboofa: my moms a witch |
06:15:58 | BC|coding | lol |
06:15:59 | kaboofa | but we do cook children :) |
06:16:04 | kaboofa | ok, i'm not serious there |
06:16:05 | kaboofa | but it's fun |
06:16:07 | scott666 | ... |
06:16:08 | scott666 | kik' |
06:16:10 | scott666 | *lol |
06:18:01 | xam | *homer simpson voice* hmmm .... nice tits! (http://www.nice-tits.org/shop.html) |
06:18:36 | BC|coding | ornithology and pornithology all on one page - how nice |
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06:27:27 | scott666 | zakk! |
06:29:22 | midk | yo |
06:34:13 | kaboofa | sleep better than human interaction |
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06:38:42 | BC|coding | nite |
06:38:46 | midk | nite |
06:38:49 | midk | yo bcbc |
06:38:56 | BC|coding | oycb |
06:41:13 | BC|coding | hmm int x[0][3] any bets on whether the compiler will gpf? |
06:42:12 | xam | BC what do you mean by compiler will gpf? a compiler usually doesn't gpf |
06:42:25 | BC|coding | heheheheheh you're not trying hard enough ;) |
06:42:44 | BC|coding | found some awesome bugs in gcc in my time |
06:43:05 | xam | unless the compiler has some real stupid bugs, it woun't cause a segmentation fault |
06:43:14 | xam | BC you mean the gcc ICEs |
06:43:30 | BC|coding | ICE? integrated circuit emulator? |
06:43:40 | xam | BC internal compiler error |
06:43:40 | BC|coding | in-circuit.... |
06:44:06 | BC|coding | nah - I got the rockbox devkit to kill it's dos box the other night |
06:44:31 | xam | BC go to the gcc mailing list (I'm subscribed), and you will see quite regulary ICE reports, that true ... but never a gpf aka. segfault) |
06:44:33 | BC|coding | int i [x][y] = { looooooooooooooooooooads of data } |
06:44:46 | BC|coding | then make one of the number wrong |
06:44:51 | BC|coding | x or y |
06:45:18 | BC|coding | if you're low enough on resources it will eventually kill windows |
06:45:25 | xam | BC do you mean gcc segfaults, or the compiled programme? |
06:45:45 | xam | BC I see, you mean the resulting programme causes a windows gpf ... |
06:45:51 | BC|coding | no sigsegv ...death |
06:46:15 | BC|coding | well in that example there was no reported memory violation |
06:46:20 | xam | BC well, it's not gcc fault then, is it? :-P |
06:46:47 | BC|coding | but they're there if you go to the their little hidey holes |
06:47:16 | BC|coding | off codig again... |
06:54:38 | xam | BC yeah those nasty 'memory violations' are only caught if you access data that's in a different PTE ... and the page size under windows usually 4kb ... that's why you want to use 'malloc debuggers' |
06:56:25 | BC|coding | we use ICEs to debug BIOSes |
06:56:56 | BC|coding | an entire pc between the cpu and the board :) |
06:57:29 | xam | BC mhh, nice. I suppose expensive |
06:57:50 | BC|coding | you need to be the right person to buy them too |
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07:28:41 | scott666 | my headphone jack seems to be totally dead |
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07:28:52 | scott666 | i got everything connected, it just doesnt work |
07:30:23 | midk | good WORK scott |
07:30:34 | scott666 | stfu midk |
07:30:39 | BC|coding | wassup? |
07:30:45 | BC|coding | total dead unit? |
07:30:48 | scott666 | no |
07:31:02 | scott666 | it works perfectly at doing everything but playing mp3s |
07:31:08 | scott666 | actually, it does play them |
07:31:14 | scott666 | i just dont have a way to listen to them |
07:31:31 | BC|coding | can you hard wire in a set of headphones? |
07:32:08 | scott666 | i dont have the time knowledge or resources to do that |
07:32:13 | scott666 | mostly time |
07:32:52 | BC|coding | understood |
07:33:01 | BC|coding | wish i were there |
07:33:21 | scott666 | *gasp* |
07:33:45 | scott666 | ok, so i can get an independant study credit for making a journal of the trip, right? |
07:33:58 | scott666 | i can just make a bunch of recordings! |
07:36:53 | scott666 | midk: ever get anywhere with breakout? |
07:37:07 | scott666 | i just deleted the shitty demo you sent me from my archos |
07:49:00 | BC|coding | shame the new audio controls will not be ready in time |
07:49:16 | BC|coding | you'll have to find a "cafe internet" |
07:49:26 | BC|coding | and a "cable usb" |
07:51:04 | BC|coding | can you even touch the wires in the right places and get a sound? |
07:51:16 | scott666 | not that i can tell |
07:51:27 | scott666 | i soldered all the wires back where they belong |
07:51:33 | scott666 | no sound at all |
07:51:42 | scott666 | jack must be fried |
07:51:54 | BC|coding | connect the headphones direct |
07:52:47 | BC|coding | bypass the jack |
07:53:29 | scott666 | thats where the knowledge part comes in |
07:53:36 | BC|coding | what? |
07:53:39 | scott666 | i dont know where the 2 wires need to go |
07:53:47 | BC|coding | three wires |
07:53:51 | BC|coding | eft right ground |
07:53:56 | scott666 | and i also dont have a pair of headphones i feel like destroying |
07:53:58 | scott666 | right |
07:54:01 | scott666 | stupid ground... |
07:54:06 | BC|coding | then no can do |
07:54:27 | BC|coding | (tea) |
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09:13:48 | LinusN | hey, BC|coding, I had a friend of mine translate the 35xx presentations |
09:15:09 | LinusN | didn't give any useful extra information, was just a summary of what's already in the manual |
09:15:39 | BC|coding | bummer |
09:15:44 | BC|coding | but nice going dude |
09:16:12 | BC|coding | I would do most anything for wav playback |
09:16:24 | midk | LinusN: i was just looking at the docs page... think it needs to be a bit reorganized |
09:16:43 | midk | for example, feature comparison chart fits better under "users" than "advanced users" |
09:16:51 | LinusN | absolutely |
09:16:54 | BC|coding | lol, yes never understood how downloads made it to advanced documentation |
09:16:58 | midk | and the GPL would probably be better for hackers instead of advanced users... |
09:17:11 | LinusN | if you can come up with a better arrangement, i'll be happy to change it |
09:17:20 | midk | the help texts too would also fit better under end users :0 |
09:17:27 | BC|coding | put the links to all the util on the downloads page :) |
09:18:44 | BC|coding | linus, are you aware that libplugin does not work in sim mode |
09:19:10 | LinusN | yes, saw that you discovered that |
09:21:09 | BC|coding | eh? |
09:21:22 | BC|coding | did i already mention it somewhere? |
09:21:38 | BC|coding | np, there's a simple bodge around it :) |
09:21:56 | LinusN | i think you posted a q on the mailing list about it |
09:22:06 | BC|coding | cool |
09:22:14 | BC|coding | wont post another then - lol |
09:22:17 | LinusN | anyway, the kids are starving, gotta make them breakfast |
09:22:21 | LinusN | cu around |
09:22:26 | BC|coding | enjoy - l8rz dude |
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09:25:25 | midk | yo bcbc |
09:25:30 | BC|coding | nods |
09:27:13 | amiconn | Damn, missed Linus |
09:33:30 | amiconn | BC|coding: Two questions: |
09:33:48 | BC|coding | hi, yes |
09:34:00 | amiconn | (1) Is the added "synchronous" option to gray_deferred_update() of any use? |
09:34:40 | BC|coding | sorry, I've not tried it, I ran out of RAM and had to remove the greyscale stuff, and I've been, errrrr, quite tied up with "other" stuff recently |
09:34:48 | amiconn | (2) If yes, could you please test it with an additional change to make the wait more multi-thread friendly? |
09:35:28 | BC|coding | ahh, you've hit yield issues too :) That got me a right cropper ;) |
09:36:40 | amiconn | Yes, after the (quick) implementation of the synchronous option I also found that busy-waiting isn't good style in a multi-thread environment |
09:36:52 | BC|coding | It's probably going to take me a couple of days to recover my recent lost time, but once Audio_3587 is patched you can count on me to see if it fixes my old complaint :) |
09:37:50 | BC|coding | when the digital distortion warning kicked in, the program fell back to getkey(false) ...which I had expected to contain a yield - whoops |
09:38:38 | amiconn | Btw, I've got an ideas yesterday (caused by a comment of Jörg) how to make the (core) bitswap routine 70% faster and saving at least 100 bytes of precious IRAM at the same time |
09:38:56 | BC|coding | JEEEEZUZ |
09:39:17 | * | BC|coding bows respectfully |
09:39:23 | BC|coding | nice find dude! |
09:39:56 | amiconn | The bitswap will no longer use a fliptable, but use a completely different algorithm. Expect this next from me |
09:40:35 | BC|coding | I bet the DSP has exactly what we need :( |
09:41:01 | BC|coding | care to explain your algorithm? |
09:41:18 | amiconn | Yes, Linus make a comment once that probably the best place to do it would be inside the mas itself |
09:41:42 | BC|coding | oh for the programmer docs |
09:41:54 | amiconn | The basic idea of the algorithm is simple |
09:42:21 | amiconn | The flipping is done for 4 bytes at once (longword in a register) in 3 stages: |
09:42:39 | amiconn | (1) flip the nibbles within each byte |
09:42:53 | amiconn | (2) flip the dibit groups of each nibble |
09:43:05 | amiconn | (3) flip the bits of each dibit group |
09:43:28 | amiconn | All this is done with logical and shift operations only |
09:43:47 | BC|coding | by flip, do you mean swap? |
09:43:54 | amiconn | yup |
09:44:52 | BC|coding | I'm looking forward to seeing that - I spent ages working on that problem once - never came up with a good solution |
09:45:23 | BC|coding | as luck would have it some1 stumbled over a register that did it in the cpu |
09:45:26 | amiconn | I got the idea from my research on how to speed up grayscale |
09:45:49 | BC|coding | i'm sitting here with ALL my fingers crossed - LOL |
09:46:08 | amiconn | Once you got the basic idea, it is relatively simple |
09:46:56 | BC|coding | that will have a direct impact on the video will it not? |
09:46:59 | BC|coding | (a positive one) |
09:47:18 | amiconn | While the cpu does not have a single instruction to do this, the 1-bit and 2-bit swaps can be done in 6 cycles (nibble swap will take 8) |
09:47:43 | amiconn | No, the bitswap has nothing to do with video stuff |
09:47:56 | BC|coding | righty, got my memories crossed |
09:49:37 | amiconn | If my preliminary calculations are correct, one loop iteration will take 29 cycles, flipping 4 bytes at once |
09:49:59 | amiconn | The "old" loop takes 25 cycles for flipping 2 bytes |
09:50:37 | BC|coding | 50% ...nice one :) |
09:51:22 | BC|coding | Code optimisations was my passion for many years, It is nice to meet someone else who enjoys the same challenges :) |
09:51:41 | BC|coding | here's an interesting one... |
09:51:46 | amiconn | There is one thing left to solve (but I already have an idea of how to do it) - swapping the leading/trailing bytes that are not a complete longword |
09:52:26 | BC|coding | #define x "long string" is IDENTICAL to static const char x[] = "long string" ....no matter how many times the string is referenced |
09:53:15 | amiconn | Imho this is caused by compiler optimization (a nice one in this case) - "constant folding" |
09:53:45 | BC|coding | very clever, but most annoying, as I did the entire string table before I tried it - D'oh! |
09:54:23 | amiconn | In what manner could this be annoying? |
09:54:46 | BC|coding | 100+ lines of code I didn't need to write |
09:54:52 | BC|coding | plus endless code mods |
09:55:15 | BC|coding | consider print ("−−"x"−−"); |
09:55:31 | BC|coding | wond work with const char[] |
09:55:57 | amiconn | Some other optimizations the compiler comes up with are really annoying - even caused bad crashes for me |
09:56:03 | BC|coding | you need to printf("−−"); printf(x); print("−−"); |
09:56:12 | BC|coding | ouch! |
09:56:35 | amiconn | No, you don't, just write printf("−−%s−−", x); |
09:56:51 | BC|coding | then I have to write a printf routine |
09:57:19 | BC|coding | oh whoops - ityped the f above |
09:59:32 | amiconn | There is snprintf() readily available from the core... |
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10:01:10 | BC|coding | still have to go though and mod all the code, and after defining a buffer and calling snprintf(), I'd be in memory deficit most liekly |
10:01:28 | BC|coding | I was LITERALLY scrabbling for BYTES at the end |
10:01:52 | BC|coding | The code was actually 32,762 bytes long at one point |
10:02:27 | amiconn | Btw, if I look at your example with the string concatenation - in this case may be the #define will no longer be identical to the const char[] |
10:02:30 | BC|coding | And I had an uber-cool greyscale screen saver all lined up |
10:03:19 | BC|coding | yes, from a coding point of view there is a subtle difference of use, but from a code point of view, the output changes not |
10:04:25 | amiconn | ..since if you write "−−"x"−−" the string will get concatenated by the compiler, yielding "−−long string−−", which is obviously different from "long string" and will be stored separately, increasing code size |
10:04:52 | BC|coding | but it doesn't! |
10:04:54 | BC|coding | :O |
10:05:23 | BC|coding | I thought the same too, hence speding ages recoding all my #defines to const char[]'s |
10:05:33 | amiconn | Did you have a look at the binary with a hex editor confirming that it really doesn't? |
10:06:22 | BC|coding | no, i didn;t go that far in honesty, but changing some 100 or so strings of varying lengths with a varied useage frequency made 0bytes difference to the resultant code size |
10:07:51 | amiconn | Hmm. Maybe I should have a look at the source. Btw, I am wondering why your audio_3587 does need that much code (did not try it out yet) |
10:08:10 | BC|coding | I think both blocks are still in the source |
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10:14:10 | amiconn | BC|coding: Yesterday you wrote something about needing a tiny font for use in audio_3587 |
10:14:16 | BC|coding | yep |
10:14:17 | amiconn | Two ideas for that: |
10:14:59 | amiconn | (1) Did you try out my rockfont-8? This one is tiny, proportional, and complete ISO-8859-1 |
10:15:42 | BC|coding | my font it 6 high |
10:15:44 | BC|coding | is |
10:16:11 | amiconn | (2) Did you know that you can run pfaedit under cygwin if you have x11 support installed? |
10:16:26 | BC|coding | i have a minimum cygwin install :( |
10:16:59 | amiconn | This is how I did two fonts. Although being a bit unstable, it is usable for that |
10:17:08 | BC|coding | i gave up with the cygwin installer, i have 20GB of hdd space, and that's kinda not much nowdays :( |
10:17:38 | BC|coding | cant believe there's nothing else out there! |
10:17:44 | BC|coding | incredible |
10:17:48 | amiconn | The cygwin installer isn't that bad after you first got the idea how it works. |
10:18:37 | BC|coding | thanks for the ideas, maybe I will install cygwin proper one day and bin this devkit idea |
10:18:56 | amiconn | It is able to auto-update an installation, detecting the components which need updating, and while being very flexible in selecting packets, it handles dependencies well |
10:20:26 | amiconn | My cygwin installation takes 250 MB currently (not counting the home dir with all those rockbox sources) |
10:21:32 | BC|coding | mine takes about 30 |
10:21:40 | midk | NAHAHAHAAHA |
10:21:46 | BC|coding | anther .2GB to find ;) |
10:22:11 | BC|coding | Windows is currently lying that I have 800MB free drive space - lol |
10:22:23 | BC|coding | it will give up around 300-400 MB |
10:22:42 | BC|coding | ...as it often does - LOL |
10:23:06 | midk | BC|coding, try a scandisk |
10:23:09 | midk | that usually fixes it |
10:24:08 | BC|coding | connecting to an XP box solves it, but it reverts back for some reason |
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20:25:41 | Weyoun | Hello all |
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20:32:36 | Smooz | sup guys |
20:32:43 | Smooz | i nedd some help again |
20:33:04 | Smooz | how do u know when your 20g is used up |
20:33:23 | top_bloke | check the free space |
20:33:27 | Smooz | where |
20:33:37 | top_bloke | rockbox info |
20:33:47 | top_bloke | i think |
20:33:51 | Smooz | k i did that and it said i got tlike 10 gig left |
20:34:02 | Smooz | but it wont let me add one more file |
20:34:14 | Smooz | mp3 |
20:34:24 | top_bloke | see what your PC says when u USB |
20:34:36 | top_bloke | check the drive space |
20:34:46 | Smooz | it says i dont have the high speed usb |
20:34:59 | Smooz | but it has let add most my music |
20:35:09 | top_bloke | yeah mine does that too |
20:35:28 | Smooz | k well why cant i add any more to it |
20:35:49 | top_bloke | what does it say when u try |
20:36:26 | Smooz | it says.... |
20:37:01 | Smooz | can not copy track13 there is not enough free disk space |
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20:37:37 | top_bloke | check the space on the drive using your pc |
20:37:47 | top_bloke | or run scandisk |
20:38:19 | Smooz | says its full when i do that |
20:38:56 | top_bloke | well then i guess its full |
20:40:55 | top_bloke | select ALL the folders and files in root and hit alt+enter |
20:42:36 | lImbus | selecting all is done with Ctrl-A |
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21:07:05 | TwoD | Would anyone be interested in creating something like Rockbox for MamboX P353? I know I've asked this before but I got no reply... |
21:09:53 | TwoD | Anyway, my email is the_dragonwizard at hotmail dot com. If you feel up to it then please mail, or atleast mail bomb me |
21:10:13 | TwoD | for suggesting something like the above lol |
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21:11:47 | lImbus | argl |
21:12:06 | lImbus | why do everybody quit before I am finished their stuff |
21:12:18 | lImbus | ...I am finished reading their stuff |
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21:14:13 | lImbus | hey TwoD |
21:14:16 | TwoD | lol I quit because I clicked the wrong freakin' button... (was reading the log) |
21:14:22 | lImbus | ok |
21:15:04 | lImbus | I've never heard about that Mambox, but usually "Open Source" means the one who wants it implements it |
21:16:51 | TwoD | http://www.mambox.com/P353.htm, I would try it myself if I knew how... |
21:18:00 | lImbus | furthermore, the photobank / sd-cardreader is something completely new, so "porting" rockbox would not be enough |
21:20:11 | TwoD | Thought so... but would it be posiible to port rockbox without the cardreader functions and maybe fix that later? |
21:20:54 | lImbus | dunno. depends on the hardware beeing used. |
21:22:42 | lImbus | porting would be easier (would be in fact rather be porting than rewriting it to have the same look and feel) if it had at least the same processor (sh1) and a similar mp3-decoder hardware, MAS |
21:23:58 | TwoD | Don't know much about it, I've only had it for a while. Where would I go to learn more about the hardware, I suppose asking MamboX is out of the question.. |
21:24:54 | lImbus | I am afraid you either have to know someone from MamboX or either open the device |
21:25:09 | lImbus | the first would be information leakage |
21:25:24 | TwoD | and the second would be risky.. |
21:26:11 | lImbus | yp |
21:26:14 | lImbus | yUp |
21:27:14 | lImbus | gotta go eat now |
21:27:27 | TwoD | btw, does the Archos boxes read the playlists generated by Winamp (pls and m3u)? The MamboX doesn't and it is really annoying... |
21:33:40 | TwoD | nm, I got to go too... will see if I can dig up more info about the P353 since I really want a new firmware =) |
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21:46:54 | Smooz | if u go to rockbox info is it alway accurate about how much space u got |
21:47:29 | midk | no |
21:47:34 | midk | rarely accurate |
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21:48:13 | Smooz | man i cant even get 250 cd on it |
21:48:34 | midk | um, how high bitrates are you ripping at |
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21:49:03 | Smooz | 2 |
21:49:14 | midk | model? |
21:49:23 | Smooz | recorder v2 |
21:49:30 | midk | sounds about right |
21:49:55 | Smooz | should i rip at a lower rate |
21:50:47 | midk | if you want |
21:51:03 | Smooz | what that do to the quality of music |
21:51:19 | midk | lower bitrates, lower quality |
21:51:24 | midk | 160 would be OK |
21:51:27 | midk | 128 is a bit too low |
21:51:45 | Smooz | how much more space u think that would give me |
21:52:11 | midk | 160 might give you350 CDs |
21:52:15 | midk | depends |
21:52:23 | midk | 250 at 192k is sort of little |
21:52:30 | hardeep | why not replace the hard drive with a larger one instead of re-ripping your CDs? |
21:52:30 | midk | are you sure you can only fit 250? |
21:52:48 | midk | i think 250 @ 192 is a bit off |
21:53:03 | Smooz | well mabey i got a few more but it filled up |
21:53:15 | Smooz | i got like over 3000 files |
21:54:38 | Smooz | ill check how many files |
21:55:37 | Smooz | 3887 |
21:56:01 | Smooz | all mp3 |
21:56:24 | Smooz | u there |
21:56:38 | Smooz | how do i replace the harddrive |
21:58:43 | hardeep | Smooz: http://www.mctubster.com/hd.html |
21:58:54 | hardeep | that's for the old v1 recorders... not sure if it's different for the v2 |
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22:01:39 | mat___ | just posted a question about the sleep timer and thought i'd ask here too. |
22:02:42 | mat___ | Does the sleep timer wait for the drive to finish spinning before powere is shut off?if not can it? |
22:05:21 | midk | http://www.memorysuppliers.com/ibmtrav40at5.html |
22:05:25 | midk | hardeep, would this work in the jb |
22:05:48 | hardeep | yep |
22:06:04 | Smooz | who should i get to swap it |
22:06:33 | Smooz | hardeep |
22:06:46 | midk | i don't know of anyone who would.. |
22:07:10 | hardeep | midk: but the 5400rpm is overkill.... you can find 4200rpm drives for cheaper |
22:07:32 | midk | it seems cheaper than some of the other ones i saw |
22:07:46 | hardeep | Smooz: do it yourself, it's easy |
22:07:46 | midk | ie |
22:07:48 | midk | http://www.pcpartscollection.com/ibmtrav4042u.html |
22:08:20 | Smooz | so get a 4200rpm rather than 5400 |
22:08:35 | hardeep | both will work just fine |
22:08:38 | midk | got to go |
22:08:40 | midk | see you alter |
22:08:42 | midk | later* |
22:08:44 | Smooz | thanks man |
22:08:44 | hardeep | bye |
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22:09:40 | Smooz | will the one on the link that he just put up work |
22:09:47 | hardeep | yes |
22:10:09 | Smooz | i got the recorder v2 |
22:10:16 | Smooz | but its easy to swap |
22:10:55 | Smooz | ? |
22:12:01 | hardeep | i don't know about the v2, but i'm guessing it wouldn't be much harder then the v1 |
22:12:26 | Smooz | shit |
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