00:00:14 | midk | got it |
00:00:28 | usaswang | anyone know exactly which hitachi sh1 chip is used for the processor? |
00:00:39 | midk | it's in the tech doc i think |
00:01:26 | usaswang | k checking |
00:02:07 | usaswang | SH7034 |
00:02:09 | usaswang | indeed |
00:02:11 | midk | indeed |
00:02:12 | usaswang | thanks |
00:02:13 | midk | INDEED |
00:02:15 | midk | surely |
00:02:23 | midk | RobbieVox, you want to apply this? |
00:02:28 | RobbieVox | yes |
00:02:46 | RobbieVox | patch whatever sourcei can and compile |
00:03:00 | RobbieVox | be it new daily build or 2.2 |
00:03:01 | midk | ok |
00:03:06 | midk | must be newer daily build |
00:03:12 | RobbieVox | ok |
00:03:24 | RobbieVox | i got the tarball and decompressed |
00:03:35 | midk | where did you install the devkit? |
00:03:39 | midk | c:\rockbox-sdk? |
00:03:43 | RobbieVox | no |
00:03:47 | midk | c:\cygwin? |
00:04:23 | RobbieVox | i got it in D:\archos\dev\RockBox-DevKit-v3 atm |
00:04:48 | RobbieVox | the one from bluechip |
00:05:02 | RobbieVox | was having probs cygwin |
00:05:23 | midk | no, it can't be on d |
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00:05:36 | midk | extract bluechip's installer to c:\cygwin |
00:05:41 | RobbieVox | ok |
00:05:53 | midk | then inside c:\cygwin you should have /home, /rockbox. /usr, /setup, etc |
00:06:07 | midk | you can move the contents of the devkit folder to c:\cygwin instead of re extracting |
00:09:47 | RobbieVox | moving |
00:10:07 | usaswang | do you get the sonic benefit of higher bitrates with the archos? |
00:10:19 | midk | sonic benefit? |
00:11:06 | usaswang | like if i encode my mp3s at 320kb/sec |
00:11:21 | usaswang | does the archos actually deliver a diference in playback compared to the 128 |
00:11:21 | RobbieVox | lol not sure u get any sonic beifit with them headphones, might do with some seinhauser's |
00:11:28 | usaswang | i have senns thanks |
00:11:28 | midk | all players do |
00:11:47 | usaswang | ya but i didn't know if there was a harware limitation. or maybe software |
00:12:05 | usaswang | take for instance their lame os |
00:12:06 | RobbieVox | right c:\cygwin eists |
00:12:17 | usaswang | you play back a 192 or 256 kbps and it still says 128 |
00:12:24 | midk | no, it plays at the bitrate it was encoded at |
00:12:27 | midk | oh, it says that |
00:12:29 | midk | but doesn't play that |
00:12:40 | midk | ok |
00:12:42 | usaswang | ya i figured |
00:12:45 | midk | RobbieVox, go into c:\cygwin\setup |
00:12:48 | midk | run setup.bat |
00:12:51 | RobbieVox | k |
00:13:25 | RobbieVox | done |
00:13:40 | midk | now go back to c:\cygwin |
00:13:42 | usaswang | that and the other glitches in their code is what sent me searching and why i found the rockbox site |
00:13:46 | midk | should be a rockbox-sdk.bat in there |
00:13:55 | midk | usaswang, congrats, enjoy |
00:14:34 | RobbieVox | no just _RockBox.bat userpath and version |
00:14:54 | midk | umm |
00:14:58 | midk | ok delete c:\cygwin |
00:15:06 | midk | and redownload or reextract his installer |
00:15:09 | midk | to c:\cygwin this time |
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00:17:13 | usaswang | thanks midk |
00:17:18 | midk | no problem |
00:17:37 | scott666 | so whats the status on clockbox |
00:17:50 | midk | whacha mean |
00:17:53 | RobbieVox | hmm same |
00:18:04 | usaswang | do you know if there is a way to tell if you batteries are dying....like...to the point where you need new ones |
00:18:15 | midk | if they start draining fast |
00:18:21 | usaswang | ya...mine do...but |
00:18:28 | midk | IE charged and then soon after, maybe 5 hours, dead |
00:18:30 | usaswang | the screen flickers |
00:18:31 | usaswang | even with full charge |
00:18:37 | usaswang | whenever the hd spins up |
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00:18:38 | midk | i'd recommend you replace the ar chos ones if you haven't yet |
00:18:41 | scott666 | less than 5 probably |
00:18:41 | midk | even if they are new |
00:18:51 | midk | hm |
00:18:59 | usaswang | with 2000ma? |
00:19:49 | scott666 | no, if theyre dying |
00:20:04 | usaswang | maybe they last 3 hrs |
00:20:24 | usaswang | the screen flickering, even when fully charged is the weird thing. |
00:20:39 | midk | replace them i'd suggest |
00:20:42 | midk | at least 2000 |
00:20:46 | midk | highest you can get |
00:20:47 | usaswang | making me think it's electrical...or a hardware problem |
00:20:47 | usaswang | ya...i can try |
00:20:51 | midk | i know they sell 2300 online |
00:20:58 | midk | i've seen 2150 in stores |
00:21:02 | usaswang | do you have a website link? |
00:21:29 | midk | batteries.com? :) |
00:21:31 | scott666 | greenbatteries.com zqs one site |
00:21:39 | scott666 | *was |
00:21:47 | scott666 | damn azerty |
00:22:00 | midk | HEY |
00:22:03 | midk | i know greenbatteries |
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00:23:00 | midk | http://store.yahoo.com/greenbatteries-store/sa23mahaanib.html |
00:23:00 | midk | get 4 |
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00:24:37 | midk | NAHAHAHA |
00:24:42 | usaswang | thanks |
00:25:03 | usaswang | damn |
00:25:05 | usaswang | that's cheap |
00:25:22 | usaswang | worth at try...better than sending it to those archos tools to "fix it" |
00:25:32 | midk | LOL tools |
00:25:36 | usaswang | lol |
00:25:46 | usaswang | they want like 60 bucks |
00:25:50 | usaswang | no matter what the problem |
00:25:53 | usaswang | and before i knew of this site |
00:25:56 | usaswang | i pelted them with emails |
00:26:01 | usaswang | about how i wanted the source |
00:26:11 | usaswang | since they obviously weren't going to update it |
00:26:31 | midk | hmm, do you code? |
00:26:36 | usaswang | a bit |
00:26:36 | midk | lol they never respond |
00:26:44 | midk | even if you need help |
00:26:50 | usaswang | ya..they suck |
00:26:53 | midk | well, i should say, rarely |
00:26:57 | midk | but at least we have rockbox. |
00:26:58 | midk | :D |
00:26:58 | usaswang | i regret buying it |
00:27:06 | midk | i wouldn't −− feature packed |
00:27:15 | RobbieVox | regret ! harsh |
00:27:17 | midk | lots of games.. expandability |
00:27:22 | usaswang | oh well... |
00:27:22 | usaswang | ya for sure |
00:27:22 | usaswang | it would REALLY blow without rockbox |
00:27:23 | midk | did you try rockbox yet? |
00:27:25 | usaswang | well i regret it because i would rather a neuros or iriver |
00:27:30 | midk | heh |
00:27:33 | midk | well |
00:27:36 | usaswang | for recording to wav for concerts |
00:27:44 | midk | did you try rockbox yet? |
00:27:48 | usaswang | and playing other types. but that is my only complaint |
00:27:52 | usaswang | just downloaded it today |
00:28:02 | usaswang | going to install after i finish cooking my dinner |
00:28:22 | usaswang | orderign these batteries atm |
00:28:43 | midk | OH |
00:28:45 | midk | you didnt install it yet? |
00:28:47 | midk | no wonder. |
00:29:42 | usaswang | looking at the features of rockbox got me excited |
00:29:52 | usaswang | my only complaint is recording quality... |
00:30:01 | midk | quality eh? |
00:30:03 | usaswang | and file type playback |
00:30:40 | usaswang | anyone done research on mp4? probably eh |
00:31:55 | midk | mp4? |
00:31:57 | midk | video? |
00:32:18 | usaswang | audio |
00:32:49 | midk | duyy |
00:32:51 | midk | *stares |
00:32:58 | midk | |
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00:33:37 | usaswang | i'm sure the archos can't do it |
00:33:49 | usaswang | just because i wish it could hehe |
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00:34:05 | usaswang | with modifications i mean...i know it can't do it as is |
00:34:12 | usaswang | http://www.vialicensing.com/products/mpeg4aac/standard.html |
00:34:19 | usaswang | http://www.apple.com/mpeg4/aac/ |
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00:35:30 | midk | hmm |
00:35:32 | midk | plays video btw |
00:35:54 | usaswang | probably the only way to be able to do it would be if there was a chip for the mp4 and you could take out the mp3 one and then mod the hardware to use the mp4 chip...and it would have to be backward compatible |
00:35:56 | usaswang | what plays video? |
00:36:01 | midk | rockbox |
00:36:13 | usaswang | i only have an fm recorder archos :-( |
00:36:19 | midk | yes.. that will do |
00:36:24 | midk | rockbox runs on fm |
00:36:27 | usaswang | oh, that's cool |
00:37:57 | RobbieVox | w00t am compiling |
00:38:25 | midk | go robbie |
00:38:46 | RobbieVox | :) right its created (amongst others) an archos.mod that right |
00:39:00 | midk | you have a player? |
00:39:03 | RobbieVox | yes |
00:39:07 | midk | i thought you had a recorder |
00:39:07 | RobbieVox | studio |
00:39:10 | midk | yes, archos.mod |
00:39:33 | RobbieVox | right was playing with that, what and where do i need to patch |
00:39:36 | usaswang | bye bye 1.30j |
00:39:46 | midk | lol |
00:39:51 | usaswang | cool...actually shows the right kbps i like |
00:39:56 | RobbieVox | lol |
00:40:07 | midk | thats' customizable usaswang |
00:40:17 | midk | RobbieVox, use the patch doc |
00:40:17 | usaswang | sweet |
00:40:19 | midk | it tells you what to do |
00:40:25 | usaswang | man...my batteries must be fried |
00:40:30 | RobbieVox | lol should that come with the patch ? |
00:40:49 | usaswang | shows about 1/4 power yet it was only used 30 mins today |
00:40:51 | midk | http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
00:41:01 | midk | rockbox indicator is more accurate than archos |
00:41:12 | midk | RobbieVox, at the bottom of patch page |
00:41:20 | midk | http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/patch.html |
00:42:03 | RobbieVox | ye but what does it patch ? the makefile or source code ? |
00:42:21 | midk | source |
00:42:32 | RobbieVox | hmm prolly easiest to do a whole dir |
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00:43:04 | midk | whole dir? |
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00:43:24 | usaswang | so do any of your players have screen flicker when low on batteries if the hard drive is spinning |
00:43:24 | midk | TOPSA |
00:43:39 | midk | no |
00:43:54 | topbloke | mine did when i first bought it |
00:44:10 | RobbieVox | u have to tell it to patch either a file or dir |
00:44:22 | RobbieVox | i dont know the file so im guessing to patch a whole dir |
00:44:26 | usaswang | mine probably has some electronic problem |
00:44:49 | topbloke | charge up your batteries and it will be fine |
00:45:32 | usaswang | i think my batts are pretty dead...because last time i flew it barely lasted 3 hours |
00:45:43 | topbloke | yeah get new ones |
00:46:58 | usaswang | i shall try that |
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00:47:37 | usaswang | wow...so different |
00:47:40 | usaswang | the interface |
00:47:45 | topbloke | indeed |
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00:48:37 | midk | try the font |
00:48:37 | midk | "hebrew bold" |
00:48:41 | midk | i enjoy it much |
00:48:51 | RobbieVox | LP tiss nice to see sum1 like that finding rockbox for 1st time |
00:49:34 | usaswang | wow it turns off so fast |
00:49:34 | usaswang | doesn't have that shutting down stupidity |
00:50:07 | RobbieVox | ne1 got patch / libraries for win32 ? |
00:50:28 | RobbieVox | i got diff but patch says missing libraries |
00:52:03 | topbloke | yeah u need crap like libiconv-2.dll |
00:52:21 | topbloke | and libintl-2.dll |
00:52:30 | RobbieVox | heh renamed libintl3.dll to it and seems to work :D |
00:52:48 | topbloke | yay |
00:52:53 | midk | hmm, if you need me RobbieVox, say "midk" ok |
00:53:58 | RobbieVox | ta :) hopefully be ok now tks for help - much appreciated |
00:54:49 | usaswang | so do i need to set anything special to get it to charge |
00:55:00 | usaswang | since it doesn't have that "charging" menu type thing |
00:56:09 | RobbieVox | hmm its looking for a specific daily build |
00:56:17 | RobbieVox | midk |
00:56:44 | topbloke | what archos do u have usaswang |
00:56:51 | usaswang | fm recorder |
00:57:04 | topbloke | just plug it in |
00:57:11 | usaswang | it feels so foreign |
00:57:13 | midk | yes RobbieVox |
00:57:21 | topbloke | theres no options |
00:57:28 | usaswang | to not have the charging bar |
00:57:36 | topbloke | ? |
00:58:11 | usaswang | well...if i turn it off and plug it in...it goes to the old firmware charging screen |
00:58:17 | RobbieVox | its looking for a specific daily build any way of using the current one other than renaming the folder ? |
00:59:08 | usaswang | i was just reading this about it though |
00:59:08 | usaswang | The second possibility: |
00:59:08 | usaswang | Use the Archos charging algorithm. At least, your batteries will be full |
00:59:08 | DBUG | Sent KICK usaswang to server |
00:59:08 | usaswang | one more time. ;-) |
00:59:09 | Kick | (#rockbox usaswang :No flooding!) by logbot!~bjst@193.15.23.131 |
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00:59:20 | usaswang | lol |
00:59:21 | topbloke | oh u need to flash yours |
00:59:26 | scott666 | fear the wrath of logbot |
00:59:30 | RobbieVox | lool |
00:59:31 | usaswang | hehe |
00:59:36 | midk | robbie |
00:59:36 | midk | sorry |
00:59:43 | midk | tell it where it is located |
00:59:50 | midk | if it wants /apps/debug_menu.c |
00:59:50 | midk | say |
00:59:58 | topbloke | on an FM the chrging is the same on rockbox and archos firmwares |
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01:00:03 | usaswang | what does this imply though. At least, your batteries will be full |
01:00:04 | usaswang | one more time. ;-) |
01:00:07 | midk | c:\cygwin\home\rockbox\rockbox-daily-XXXXXX\apps\debug_menu.c |
01:00:10 | usaswang | one more time? |
01:00:47 | usaswang | seems like saying the archos charging is bad...or inferior in some manner...or even dangerous |
01:00:53 | usaswang | that is how i read it |
01:01:01 | topbloke | yeah i think thats what they mean |
01:02:01 | RobbieVox | ahh seen the -p1 patch info |
01:02:23 | topbloke | i hate patching |
01:02:39 | topbloke | its so complicated i still dont know how to do it right |
01:03:35 | RobbieVox | no kiddin ! |
01:04:12 | topbloke | i ended up typing the location of each file to patch |
01:04:57 | RobbieVox | christ dont say that |
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01:42:30 | midk | lol |
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01:53:41 | topbloke | i'm fed up with all these disconnects |
01:55:42 | midk | hahaha |
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02:18:47 | usaswang | hmm my battery shows as charged already |
02:18:53 | midk | YAYA |
02:18:57 | usaswang | this thing is messed |
02:19:13 | midk | rockbox is right. |
02:20:40 | usaswang | ya my player...or its batteries are messed |
02:23:37 | ze | How much net work could a network work, if a network could net work? |
02:23:47 | | Part amiconn |
02:24:06 | midk | ze: dada |
02:24:23 | midk | at least i don't make difference clouds in photoshop and say i made script fu and it took 300 hours to render, |
02:24:42 | ze | it was raytraced |
02:24:51 | midk | yeah right |
02:24:52 | ze | it's media |
02:24:54 | ze | it has depth |
02:24:57 | ze | and you can see it |
02:24:57 | midk | i could make the same thing in difference clouds.. |
02:24:58 | ze | so shut up |
02:24:59 | ze | :p |
02:24:59 | midk | MMHMM |
02:25:04 | midk | surely. |
02:25:29 | ze | Automobile, n.: |
02:25:29 | ze | A four-wheeled vehicle that runs up hills and down pedestrians. |
02:25:45 | midk | HA! HA! HA! |
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02:33:49 | Guest | hello |
02:34:00 | midk | hi, good sir. |
02:34:06 | Guest | can some one help me? |
02:34:31 | Guest | is the webmaster here? |
02:34:31 | midk | possibly. state your area of inquiry. |
02:34:46 | Guest | first I guess to register this software |
02:35:02 | midk | no, you don't need to |
02:35:26 | Guest | k |
02:35:28 | Guest | I have a JBMM 20 and would like an open source frimware, can it happen? |
02:35:41 | midk | possibly. not likely |
02:35:49 | Guest | why not |
02:36:00 | midk | just.. nobody has written it |
02:36:04 | Guest | I saw the firmware for almost all the other Archos |
02:36:22 | midk | yes, unluckily, not yours |
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02:37:54 | Guest | so there are no other open sources for it, other than rockbox |
02:38:01 | midk | and avos |
02:38:10 | midk | which MAY run on the jbmm, but not sure |
02:38:36 | Guest | what is avos? |
02:39:35 | midk | avos.sf.net |
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02:40:41 | Guest | is rockbox working on stuff for the mm 20's |
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03:29:13 | midk | ROBBEH! |
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04:09:08 | tom-sleep | someone messaged me.. |
04:09:11 | tom-sleep | but i don't know when... |
04:09:20 | tom-sleep | uh |
04:09:22 | tom-sleep | two days ago |
04:09:37 | midk | may have been me? |
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04:09:40 | midk | unsure, sir |
04:09:46 | tomsley | 18:00 <Master_Of> helllllllllooooooooooooo ! are you here ?? |
04:09:51 | midk | oh |
04:09:51 | midk | yeah |
04:09:53 | midk | lol me too |
04:09:59 | midk | i think he did everyone |
04:10:03 | midk | he was like |
04:10:08 | midk | "HELP MEEE MY ARCHOS IS BROKEN" |
04:10:08 | tomsley | oh |
04:10:12 | midk | "MY DAD WILL KILL ME NOOO HELP" |
04:10:17 | tomsley | his problem. that's why we have mailing list. |
04:10:20 | tomsley | :\ |
04:10:22 | tomsley | i'm a jerk. |
04:10:26 | | Nick tomsley is now known as tomMeditates (~kaboofa@66.92.66.5) |
04:10:29 | tomMeditates | back to meditate. |
04:10:29 | midk | yeah, lol! |
04:10:33 | midk | hehh ok |
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04:19:04 | Fushen | hello? |
04:19:09 | midk | hi, good sir. |
04:19:14 | Fushen | ^^ |
04:19:45 | Fushen | just wondering... why does it say that i can't disconnect my stduio 20... and that i should try later? |
04:20:10 | midk | says that to me sometimes too |
04:20:18 | midk | it's ok you can still |
04:20:24 | midk | acutally |
04:20:28 | midk | it always says that to me |
04:20:33 | Fushen | without safely removing it? |
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04:20:52 | midk | if you hit safely remove and it says cannot stop it at this time you can still remove it |
04:21:32 | Fushen | eep... hope so.. last time i tried all the files became corrupted and i was forced to fromat the disk.. |
04:21:45 | midk | it should be ok... |
04:22:10 | Fushen | ok thanks and good night ^^ |
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06:13:55 | Packet | Would anyone here be kind enough to answer a quick question for me? |
06:14:09 | midk | state the question. |
06:14:55 | Packet | I'm trying to flash my Archos with 2.2, but I can't seem to find the firmware_***.bin file referenced in the instructions. Has that been removed or is it hidden somewhere that I can't seem to find it? |
06:15:21 | Packet | (I sincerely hope this answer isn't somewhere in the docs...I've been looking for close to an hour and haven't found anything) |
06:16:19 | midk | in the flash do |
06:16:21 | midk | doc* |
06:16:26 | midk | get the flash pack |
06:18:11 | Packet | OK, thanks. Pardon the dumb question...is the flash pack in the download area? |
06:18:20 | midk | nope |
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06:25:58 | Packet | OK, I'm having some trouble finding the flash pack. Could you tell me where it's located? |
06:26:47 | midk | rec, fm, v2? |
06:26:50 | Packet | fm |
06:26:56 | midk | http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/flash/flash_fm.zip |
06:27:05 | Packet | Beautiful! Thanks so much. |
06:27:27 | midk | no problem |
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06:57:37 | midk | hi linus! |
06:57:42 | LinusN | yo |
06:57:57 | midk | did you have a favorite clock logo? |
06:58:16 | LinusN | haven't looked at the, sorry |
06:58:18 | LinusN | them |
06:58:52 | midk | pick a random number between 1 and 4 |
06:58:54 | midk | and please majke it 4 |
06:58:57 | midk | :) |
06:59:00 | midk | (pick 4 pick 4) |
06:59:51 | LinusN | which clock.c is it (in the patch tracker)? |
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07:00:09 | LinusN | you should delete the old ones |
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07:40:49 | midk | sorry LinusN |
07:40:53 | midk | it's the zip :) |
07:40:58 | midk | i will |
07:41:09 | midk | i'm... about 95% done with this update really |
07:42:05 | midk | i finished the binary mode: http://freewebs.com/midky/binary-1.jpg |
07:42:13 | midk | and http://freewebs.com/midky/binary-2.jpg |
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07:57:33 | midk | LinusN, are you around? |
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08:01:02 | midk | hi [IDC]Dragon |
08:01:15 | [IDC]Dragon | 'morning! |
08:01:46 | midk | might you assist me in setting idle poweroff to never within a plugin? :) |
08:01:59 | midk | rb->global_settings->poweroff = 0; ? |
08:02:37 | [IDC]Dragon | you can't affect that in a plugin |
08:02:49 | midk | can you make it possible to affect that in a plugin? |
08:03:01 | LinusN | midk: sorry, was busy fixing the bookmark code |
08:03:08 | [IDC]Dragon | dunno if that's desirable |
08:03:09 | midk | surely LinusN |
08:03:30 | midk | LinusN, can you or idc here make it an option to set idle poweroff to never within a plugin? |
08:03:32 | dwihno | Yay! Another day! |
08:03:43 | midk | not a very useful clock if it shuts off after, say, 15 minutes |
08:04:08 | LinusN | then insert the charger |
08:04:22 | midk | what if it's not handy? |
08:04:26 | [IDC]Dragon | if your box is configured to do so, why should it make exceptions? |
08:04:35 | midk | i won't start, never mind |
08:04:59 | dwihno | Sheesh! Firefox 0.9 sure feels a lot faster than 0.8! |
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08:07:40 | LinusN | midk: we can always enable plugins to dosable poweroff, but is that really what the user would want? |
08:07:58 | midk | i would hav eit as an option of course |
08:08:25 | LinusN | still, is it a valuable feature? |
08:08:35 | midk | but i bet that if people left the clock on they would intend to use it |
08:08:42 | midk | valuable? |
08:08:47 | midk | fairly so |
08:10:03 | LinusN | i'll consider it... |
08:10:31 | midk | before july 1st? :) |
08:10:42 | [IDC]Dragon | what triggers the box out of idle? |
08:10:59 | midk | keypress or power adapter |
08:11:01 | [IDC]Dragon | just buttons, or other activity as well? |
08:11:07 | midk | buttons is all i think |
08:11:25 | midk | i wonder if i could fake user input |
08:12:00 | LinusN | no you can't |
08:12:08 | midk | aww |
08:12:22 | midk | somehow make it exempt from poweroff |
08:12:26 | midk | i bet there's a way |
08:12:45 | LinusN | we can always invent a way |
08:12:45 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe expose a retrigger function |
08:13:28 | LinusN | yeah, "retrigger" is probably the safest way to do it |
08:18:56 | LinusN | midk: i like 4. "clockbox" |
08:19:01 | midk | wow |
08:19:04 | midk | so does everyone else |
08:19:06 | midk | EVERYONE |
08:19:15 | midk | i was consider converting from clock.rock to clockbox.rock |
08:20:04 | [IDC]Dragon | clockbox orange |
08:20:19 | midk | clockbox_orange.rock |
08:20:21 | midk | it's got a ring |
08:20:30 | midk | even though it is not orange |
08:20:36 | midk | *searches for an orange |
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08:25:52 | midk | bagder yay |
08:25:55 | LinusN | hola Bagder |
08:26:01 | Bagder | morning |
08:30:22 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: is your new commit the fix to Carsten's .cfg problem? |
08:31:10 | LinusN | yup |
08:31:31 | [IDC]Dragon | the I can stop searching in my settings code... |
08:31:35 | [IDC]Dragon | then |
08:31:42 | LinusN | absolutely |
08:31:48 | [IDC]Dragon | which I was just busy with |
08:32:13 | Bagder | hehe |
08:32:18 | * | Bagder says 1 - 0 to LinusN |
08:32:21 | Bagder | :-) |
08:32:22 | LinusN | the generate_bookmark_file_name function removed the trailing slash from the dir name passed to it |
08:32:38 | LinusN | which was the 'currdir' variable in tree.c |
08:32:46 | midk | bagder: give ya $20 if you merge idle poweroff access from plugins ;) |
08:32:50 | [IDC]Dragon | oops |
08:33:35 | LinusN | there *may* be some other occasions where we would want to prevent idle poweroff |
08:33:41 | LinusN | like when flashing |
08:33:56 | LinusN | (the flashing takes a lot less than a minute, but anyway) |
08:34:03 | [IDC]Dragon | that doesn't take so long |
08:35:11 | LinusN | i can't think of any other situations though |
08:35:42 | [IDC]Dragon | being remote controlled |
08:36:22 | LinusN | remote controlled? |
08:36:45 | [IDC]Dragon | from my CD changer plugin, for example |
08:36:58 | midk | why not just add the capability. maybe people can use it in the future |
08:37:01 | LinusN | ah |
08:38:36 | LinusN | midk: we don't have the luxury of being able to add code just because it might be useful for someone in the future |
08:38:57 | midk | well.. would it increase the core code size? i doubt it |
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08:39:12 | LinusN | 1) code that nobody uses is dead code, taking valuable RAM |
08:39:40 | LinusN | 2) a waste of developer time |
08:39:47 | midk | well, ok, it would help me, so it has a function |
08:40:03 | LinusN | i know, and [IDC]Dragon just found an even better reason |
08:40:22 | midk | so, it's feasible |
08:40:31 | [IDC]Dragon | midk: make a patch then ;-) |
08:40:38 | midk | *plus* it may be used more in the future |
08:40:48 | LinusN | i'll just figure out the best way to do it |
08:40:53 | midk | just by the way... why is there a reference to global settings if it is in fact unusable in the plugins? |
08:40:59 | midk | in the plugin code* |
08:41:08 | LinusN | honestly, i don't want it to be used any more that absolutely necessary |
08:41:20 | [IDC]Dragon | midk: that's for reading |
08:41:40 | LinusN | i don't want to find my batteries flat just because a plugin decided that it wanted to keep the player on |
08:42:10 | [IDC]Dragon | midk: it doesn't mean that changing a value will have an effect, because nobody applied the setting |
08:43:04 | midk | LOL linus |
08:43:08 | midk | no, it will be optional |
08:43:20 | midk | they will have to TELL it each time they turn it on that they want it to stay on |
08:43:32 | LinusN | sure |
08:43:40 | midk | sounds fair? |
08:43:55 | midk | i think it's needed.. sorry if it's a hassle |
08:44:26 | * | LinusN is adding that feature |
08:44:39 | midk | thank you |
08:44:51 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: suggest a function name |
08:44:56 | [IDC]Dragon | bad lesson learned: bugging helps |
08:44:59 | midk | SET IDLE OFF ( NEVER ) ;; |
08:45:04 | midk | LOL |
08:45:05 | midk | yay |
08:45:09 | LinusN | update_poweroff_timer()? |
08:45:19 | [IDC]Dragon | which module would it be? |
08:45:23 | midk | set_idle_poweroff |
08:45:27 | LinusN | powermgmt.c |
08:45:38 | midk | i am excellent at thinking up function names |
08:45:40 | [IDC]Dragon | power_retrigger() ? |
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08:45:53 | midk | check this out |
08:45:55 | midk | * Binary mode |
08:45:55 | midk | **************/ |
08:45:55 | midk | void binary(int hour, int minute, int second) |
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08:45:55 | midk | { |
08:45:55 | LinusN | the function will reset the poweroff timer |
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08:46:19 | LinusN | reset_poweroff_timer() :-) |
08:46:32 | midk | NOes!! set_idle_poweroff. |
08:47:07 | LinusN | midk: i won't let you disable the poweroff timer |
08:47:17 | midk | ok.. set it to 8h then? |
08:47:18 | LinusN | i will let you restart it |
08:47:28 | Bagder | sounds like a good idea |
08:47:30 | LinusN | so you have to do that again before the timer runs out |
08:47:36 | midk | oh |
08:47:43 | midk | just put it in while(!plugin_ok) |
08:47:46 | LinusN | at least every minute |
08:47:56 | midk | rebooting; be right back, sirs. |
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08:48:04 | [IDC]Dragon | before committing: |
08:48:10 | LinusN | so that you won't forget to reenable it again |
08:48:19 | [IDC]Dragon | can you fix a typo? |
08:48:29 | LinusN | me? |
08:48:40 | [IDC]Dragon | there is a tread somewhere, instead of thread |
08:49:07 | [IDC]Dragon | remove_tread |
08:49:19 | [IDC]Dragon | instead of remove_thread |
08:49:20 | LinusN | where? |
08:49:35 | [IDC]Dragon | plugin.h |
08:50:18 | [IDC]Dragon | Jens found that yesterday |
08:50:21 | LinusN | fixed it |
08:50:47 | [IDC]Dragon | thanks |
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08:51:32 | midk | yay, back. |
08:55:28 | midk | why is my internet so slow today |
08:59:46 | midk | rebooting again |
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08:59:53 | Bagder | windows user, eh? ;-) |
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09:02:46 | LinusN | reset_poweroff_timer() it is |
09:02:50 | midk | YAY |
09:03:22 | LinusN | and i removed last_keypress in button.c in favor of reset_poweroff_timer() |
09:03:37 | midk | noes. |
09:03:41 | midk | what about tah button speedup |
09:03:55 | LinusN | i guess the disk timers can be removed as well, but i'll leave them for now |
09:06:43 | [IDC]Dragon | on another subject: |
09:07:07 | [IDC]Dragon | I think I should rename "Sort Mode" to "Sort Case" |
09:07:33 | midk | HA yes. |
09:08:00 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: explain |
09:08:12 | [IDC]Dragon | or "Sort Case Sensitive", like the caption within the menu |
09:08:44 | [IDC]Dragon | in other cases, the menu title is identical to the caption within the selection |
09:09:46 | midk | oyes. |
09:10:07 | [IDC]Dragon | "Sort Mode" doesn't say much, but within the selection it becomes "Sort Case Sensitive", which truely describes it |
09:10:51 | [IDC]Dragon | the voice UI would only say "Sort Mode", then allow to toggle yes/no |
09:11:14 | midk | LOL |
09:11:23 | midk | sort mode? hmm.. yes |
09:17:39 | LinusN | midk: committed update_poweroff_timer() |
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09:17:53 | midk | oops |
09:17:56 | midk | what did you say |
09:17:57 | LinusN | sorry, reset_poweroff_timer() |
09:18:04 | LinusN | midk: committed reset_poweroff_timer() |
09:18:05 | midk | meant to click tab... right clicked and hit close :\ |
09:18:13 | midk | excellent, thank you sir linus. |
09:18:29 | [IDC]Dragon | Captain Linus, that is. |
09:18:36 | LinusN | :-) |
09:18:58 | [IDC]Dragon | congrats, btw |
09:19:04 | LinusN | call it with an interval of < 1 minute |
09:19:07 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: thx |
09:19:27 | midk | ill just put it in while(!pkugin_ok) |
09:19:44 | midk | and this also proves that arguing will prevail |
09:32:19 | BlueChip | Congratualtions Captain Linus ....mornin' all |
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09:33:20 | midk | hi bc |
09:33:43 | RobbieVox | u ever sleep midk ? |
09:34:00 | RobbieVox | mornin btw :) |
09:36:24 | midk | hehe |
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09:49:58 | Zagor | moin |
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09:50:21 | [IDC]Dragon | moin is german |
09:50:38 | Zagor | it is? i thought it was just a sloppy "morning" |
09:51:16 | [IDC]Dragon | northern german slang |
09:51:35 | [IDC]Dragon | in the very north, they even say "moin moin" |
09:51:45 | [IDC]Dragon | and perhaps all day long |
09:52:00 | [IDC]Dragon | we her say "moin" inthe morning |
09:52:07 | [IDC]Dragon | here |
09:52:26 | [IDC]Dragon | (medium north) |
09:52:37 | [IDC]Dragon | </education_mode> |
09:52:57 | scott666_ | lol |
09:53:21 | scott666_ | gah, stupid ghost |
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10:10:19 | scott666 | woot |
10:10:30 | [IDC]Dragon | please help me with the order when sorting by type |
10:10:49 | Zagor | alphabetic imho |
10:11:01 | [IDC]Dragon | should bookmarks go before mp3 files? (like playlists will) |
10:11:25 | LinusN | i think so |
10:11:28 | Zagor | yes. otherwise we'll get lots in an eternal discussion about which types are more important and frequently used. |
10:11:34 | Zagor | s/lots/lost/ |
10:11:44 | [IDC]Dragon | we get them anyway ;-) |
10:11:58 | Zagor | yes, but now we can say we don't care about it :) |
10:12:15 | [IDC]Dragon | so, first playlists, then bookmarks, then mp3 files, then other types |
10:12:17 | [IDC]Dragon | ? |
10:12:51 | Zagor | no, sort them alphabetically. all types treated alike. |
10:13:09 | Zagor | .bat files first! ;) |
10:13:26 | [IDC]Dragon | no, I meant when we are sorting by type (new feature) |
10:13:40 | Zagor | yes, sort the extensions alphabetically |
10:13:54 | [IDC]Dragon | that wasn't the idea |
10:14:04 | [IDC]Dragon | I'd like to use the attr value |
10:14:06 | BlueChip | afaic: so long as m3u is displayed as a group above mp3 I am happy - but may I suggest that bookmarks are probably even more important that m3u's to most (not me) |
10:14:48 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: ok, but that limits it a bit. and it will probably make people confused why their exe and com files are all mixed up |
10:15:27 | [IDC]Dragon | unrecognized types will be sorted to the end |
10:15:38 | BlueChip | bat, exe, com - who cares? |
10:15:40 | LinusN | let the attribute values reflect the alphabetical sort order |
10:16:03 | Zagor | LinusN: types we don't support have no attributes |
10:16:03 | [IDC]Dragon | argh! |
10:16:28 | Zagor | why not sort alphabetically? |
10:16:35 | [IDC]Dragon | my idea was to have a logic behind it when sorting by type |
10:16:41 | LinusN | BlueChip: i agree that bookmarks may be more "important" than playlists |
10:17:03 | [IDC]Dragon | so e.g. playlists will be ontop of mp3s |
10:17:22 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: by pure coincidence, alphabetical sorting will give you that |
10:17:52 | [IDC]Dragon | ;-) |
10:17:59 | Zagor | and bookmarks on top |
10:18:10 | [IDC]Dragon | at least for the mentioned ones. |
10:18:12 | LinusN | no, .bat files on top :-) |
10:18:15 | Zagor | ...and a clear and logical system that won't let people argue about type importance |
10:18:32 | Zagor | LinusN: ;) |
10:18:45 | [IDC]Dragon | I should not have asked... |
10:18:49 | Zagor | haha |
10:19:23 | [IDC]Dragon | I want the logics of an mp3 player behind it, not the alpabet |
10:19:42 | Zagor | if the end result is the same, what is the difference? |
10:20:44 | scott666 | but if it isnt how can it ever be changed? |
10:21:13 | Zagor | scott666: the sort order? it's an option. |
10:22:03 | scott666 | yeah but i mean if theres some other extension thats useful but at the end of the alphabet it'll never get moved up |
10:22:35 | LinusN | still, i like the simplicity: sort by name, type, or date |
10:22:49 | scott666 | will new rockbox file extension get named differently to have greater importance? |
10:23:08 | [IDC]Dragon | I have planned a sort by type, not sort by extension (that might be another option) |
10:23:37 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: again, what is the difference if the end result is the same? |
10:23:50 | scott666 | we could have name, type, date, and jörg's special sort... |
10:23:55 | [IDC]Dragon | .cfg, .ajz, ... |
10:24:28 | BlueChip | jpg will be the most annoying to have at the top for me |
10:24:55 | [IDC]Dragon | that's a dynamic type and will be amoung the last |
10:24:56 | Zagor | how many do you have in your music directories? |
10:25:04 | BlueChip | one per playlist |
10:25:13 | BlueChip | album art |
10:25:32 | BlueChip | _occasionally_ insde and back covers |
10:25:40 | Zagor | so where in the list should they be? before or after ajz? before or after .rvf? before or after .exe? |
10:26:03 | Zagor | only sorting a handful of types is a half-solution, in my opinion |
10:26:19 | BlueChip | i would like to see: (bookmarks) playlists mp3s <the rest> |
10:26:26 | [IDC]Dragon | we sort out known types, in a meaningful order |
10:26:37 | Zagor | BlueChip: yes, but how many other (strong) opinions do you think we'll see? |
10:26:39 | [IDC]Dragon | BlueChip: agreed |
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10:26:58 | Zagor | <the rest> is 400 files. thank's for not sorting by type... |
10:27:20 | [IDC]Dragon | by extension, you mean. |
10:27:35 | Zagor | that's the same in rockbox |
10:27:51 | [IDC]Dragon | types are the known ones |
10:28:11 | scott666 | so why not have the mp" player specific files sorted to the top, and then the rest sorted alphabetically |
10:28:15 | Zagor | ...and how do we know them? we check the extension. |
10:28:22 | scott666 | *mp3 |
10:28:29 | BlueChip | zagor: I'm sure everybody will have an opnion - and they will vary lots, when I did the volume thingie I did a little survey and tried my best to please everybody ....the above is just my preference ...for me it's no problem, if I dont like the order I will just tweak the code - LOL |
10:28:50 | Zagor | scott666: because we support an ever expanding list of file types. jpg, rvf, txt and ch8 are just a few. more will come. |
10:28:52 | BlueChip | <the rest> might be in alphabetical? |
10:28:55 | LinusN | soer mode: <music related first> |
10:28:58 | LinusN | sort mode |
10:29:48 | scott666 | but shouldnt rockbox be an mp3 player first? |
10:29:56 | BlueChip | yes |
10:31:06 | BlueChip | perhaps make a list of all known extensions and get people to vote? |
10:31:27 | scott666 | no, voting is never a good solution |
10:31:57 | [IDC]Dragon | authority is. I do it my way. ;-) |
10:32:05 | BlueChip | voting paid off for me and the volume thingie! :) |
10:32:18 | [IDC]Dragon | and Zagor changes it tomorrow |
10:32:19 | scott666 | if youre going to vote you might as well make it customizable |
10:32:25 | Zagor | ;) |
10:32:44 | BlueChip | quite the contrary, if you're gonna make if fully configurable, there is no need to tvote |
10:32:48 | scott666 | BlueChip: but thats cause you were using a curve and not just 1 answer |
10:33:08 | scott666 | exactly |
10:33:42 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: I don't understand the filetypes code. What attr value will it assign? |
10:33:43 | scott666 | if people vote they will want it _their_ way ahen its implemented |
10:33:50 | midk | BlueChip, i learned tonight that arguing prevails :) |
10:34:03 | Zagor | looking.. |
10:34:30 | BlueChip | democracy: power to the people |
10:34:48 | scott666 | if you put something up for public opinion then customizability will inevitably be demanded |
10:34:51 | Zagor | yeah, because design by committee always yields the best results... |
10:34:53 | LinusN | midk: don't confuse "arguing" with "explaining your needs" |
10:35:01 | midk | :) linus |
10:35:06 | LinusN | :-) |
10:35:25 | scott666 | midk: is ClockBox final yet? |
10:35:26 | midk | i surely won't if i ever run into a situation where i must explain my needs ;) |
10:35:29 | midk | scott666, no |
10:35:41 | midk | what do you think linus, zagor, bagder, idc? |
10:35:45 | midk | clockbox.rock? lool |
10:35:46 | scott666 | AHH!! random cat |
10:37:06 | scott666 | ok |
10:39:40 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: return ((((unsigned int)exttypes[i].type - |
10:39:40 | Zagor | (unsigned int)&filetypes[0]) / |
10:39:40 | Zagor | sizeof(struct file_type)) << 8); |
10:39:54 | Zagor | i think we need a comment on that ;) |
10:41:06 | [IDC]Dragon | ah, it uses the array, not the #define TREE_ATTR_xx values |
10:41:44 | [IDC]Dragon | because I was expecting something like TREE_ATTR_LAST |
10:41:58 | LinusN | midk: i don't really care that much about the name, but i think clock.rock is more descriptive than clockbox.rock |
10:42:12 | midk | *wonders if it would confuse the newbs :D |
10:42:51 | LinusN | i think the name should reflect what it is, i.e a clock |
10:43:20 | midk | thus how linusn gets his partypooper alias |
10:43:22 | Zagor | midk: so you must draw a box around the clock to call it clockbox ;) |
10:43:22 | midk | hehe jk :) |
10:43:26 | midk | i agree i guess |
10:44:03 | midk | zagor: new features list of version 2.21: -now draws a rectangle around the lcd to prove that it's a clock box :D |
10:45:03 | LinusN | midk: how's breakout going btw? |
10:45:20 | midk | nowhere |
10:45:30 | midk | need to get the button repeat function put in for motivation? :) |
10:46:01 | Zagor | i wonder if the xclef jogdial has several levels or is just a left/right switch |
10:46:18 | Zagor | if it has multilevel output it would be excellent for breakout-type games |
10:47:09 | midk | *stares |
10:47:10 | Zagor | doesn't the ipod (or was it some other player) have a jogdial? anyone knows? |
10:47:18 | midk | ipod has touch sensor wheel |
10:47:30 | Zagor | only? |
10:47:34 | midk | yes |
10:47:38 | Zagor | ok |
10:47:38 | midk | no jogdials |
10:47:41 | midk | oh |
10:47:42 | midk | but |
10:47:48 | midk | samsung yp910 i think it was |
10:47:54 | midk | has a job dial thing on the side |
10:47:58 | midk | the napster-ish one? |
10:49:01 | midk | a rocker-type jog dial |
10:49:07 | midk | goes about 25 degrees either direction |
10:49:13 | midk | may be multi level.. not sure |
10:52:14 | midk | javascript: window.close() |
10:52:15 | midk | er |
10:52:21 | midk | http://www.austinv.com/cpg121/albums/DAPreview/samsung_yp910/samsung_yp910_3.jpg |
10:52:36 | Zagor | yeah, i saw |
10:52:48 | midk | it's tasty |
10:52:52 | midk | er i mean |
10:52:54 | midk | it may be |
10:52:58 | midk | should we check it out? |
10:53:03 | Zagor | looks more like a slide switch than a multilevel control though |
10:53:12 | midk | no, i've used it |
10:53:23 | Zagor | feel free. the more the merrier :) |
10:53:24 | midk | it rocks up and down |
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11:04:49 | midk | hi amiconn |
11:04:59 | amiconn | hi midk, all |
11:05:08 | midk | :) |
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11:11:53 | midk|sleep | good night, sirs and captain |
11:12:33 | LinusN | nite |
11:13:26 | BlueChip | nite mk |
11:14:13 | [IDC]Dragon | first version with the sorting options done. |
11:14:26 | [IDC]Dragon | I'll commit it, we can add a sort by extension later |
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11:20:02 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: reading? |
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11:51:11 | LinusN | c0utta: since f3 is non-configurable, is there a point in centralizing the f3 menu code? |
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12:03:25 | LinusN | lunch time |
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12:14:49 | lImbus | w00t: Apple provides an adapter to connect an iPod to the BMW-Car-Audio-System http://www.apple.com/ipod/bmw/ |
12:15:22 | lImbus | we should've got patented those Alpine, UniLink and Panasonic/VAG-Solutions |
12:18:22 | Zagor | nah, be happy manufacturers are finally realizing customers want to use the products |
12:20:31 | BlueChip | lol |
12:31:21 | lImbus | apparently |
12:32:24 | * | dwihno is growing to become the master of customer management |
12:32:36 | dwihno | Don't ask them "How do you want it?" |
12:32:57 | dwihno | You simply tell them what they want and make them think it was their idea |
12:34:13 | Zagor | at always amazes me how most products are made to be sold, not used |
12:36:10 | dwihno | Yay for capitalism? :) |
12:38:18 | Zagor | short term capitalism, yes |
12:39:22 | Zagor | however good products usually bring in more money in the long run |
12:39:45 | Zagor | the eternal balancing act |
12:40:09 | dwihno | The key elements of our products is the goodness |
12:40:22 | dwihno | Which apparently become even more good when we get free hands. |
12:40:43 | dwihno | (I don't do software nowadays, just a reminder) |
12:41:00 | Bagder | a lost soul! |
12:41:20 | Bagder | come back to the dark side! |
12:41:41 | dwihno | Nah, my mother told me software is bad for me, mmmkay. |
12:41:53 | Zagor | so you're into marketing now? ;) |
12:42:01 | Bagder | I'll call your mom and have a talk, right now! |
12:42:14 | dwihno | Zagor: Computer graphics! \o/ |
12:44:44 | Bagder | lImbus: you seem to be getting up to speed in the rc5 race |
12:48:27 | lImbus | yup. I found the setting for RC5-72 'only' |
12:48:35 | Bagder | aaah |
12:49:24 | lImbus | furthermore I do fetch every 5 hours, so no '0 packets today' anymore |
12:49:59 | lImbus | they even did an iPod<->smart: http://www.apple.com/de/hotnews/articles/smart/ |
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12:58:34 | * | Zagor is seeing double |
12:59:10 | scott666_ | heh |
12:59:16 | * | dwihno gives Zagor a kaleidoscope |
12:59:41 | scott666_ | this french ADSL seems to disc a hell of a lot |
12:59:53 | * | lImbus pours away coffee for today |
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13:01:11 | lImbus | there are even MORE conections between iPod and any Car Radio: http://www.ihavetohave.it/acatalog/ICE-Link.html |
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13:07:24 | scott666_ | yay |
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13:09:17 | amiconn | re Jörg |
13:10:17 | [IDC]Dragon | hi again |
13:11:04 | [IDC]Dragon | tread_remove() typo is fixed |
13:11:09 | amiconn | Unfortunately I suspect your setting code having a bug - some settings are loaded correctly from a .cfg file, but are not persistent across reboots |
13:11:34 | [IDC]Dragon | aha? |
13:11:40 | amiconn | To be precise, I observed this with the "voice directories" option |
13:13:01 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: 2 bits are not enough to hold the five options for talk_dir |
13:13:32 | [IDC]Dragon | oops |
13:19:07 | [IDC]Dragon | must be a copy-paste error, I doubt it has always been 2 bits |
13:23:56 | [IDC]Dragon | correction, this wasn't copied, I just goofed |
13:25:53 | [IDC]Dragon | Maybe we should add a bit to the file sort mode, for all those about to come... (extension, etc) |
13:27:42 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: I had another idea for the .cfg dump: for the non-scalar values, I could easily write the possible values into a comment |
13:28:05 | [IDC]Dragon | making it nice for hand-editing them |
13:28:55 | Bagder | sounds good to me |
13:30:50 | [IDC]Dragon | We have the comma-separated string of values anyway, so this needs very little extra code. |
13:33:02 | LinusN | i like it |
13:36:18 | [IDC]Dragon | OK then |
13:37:24 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: how did you see the 2 bit bug so quickly? This is amazing... |
13:38:06 | Zagor | linus has magic ninja eyes |
13:38:38 | [IDC]Dragon | :-) |
13:38:43 | Bagder | he's captain, remember that |
13:38:54 | * | [IDC]Dragon has colon eyes |
13:39:29 | [IDC]Dragon | I need some more then ::-) |
13:40:04 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: years of training |
13:40:19 | [IDC]Dragon | with what? |
13:40:28 | LinusN | or rather, i did the same mistake when changing the sound settings yesterday |
13:41:19 | dwihno | ;D |
13:41:22 | dwihno | \o/ Linus \o/ |
13:46:16 | Zagor | hmm... two people drowning, asking linus to rescue them? |
13:46:31 | Bagder | aye aye |
13:46:38 | Zagor | captain linus to the rescue! |
13:46:49 | [IDC]Dragon | Linus sinking his boat with a friend |
13:46:56 | Bagder | haha |
13:57:41 | [IDC]Dragon | \o/ /−−−−−−\ \o/ |
13:59:13 | * | LinusN doesn't even have a boat |
13:59:26 | Zagor | so we see :) |
13:59:41 | Bagder | ship, its called a ship |
13:59:43 | Bagder | :-) |
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14:01:38 | LinusN | vessel :-) |
14:02:21 | [IDC]Dragon | spaceships are becoming fashion |
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14:13:27 | RobbieVox | lo |
14:14:24 | LinusN | hola |
14:15:07 | RobbieVox | should patches work with all builds ? |
14:15:31 | Bagder | patches don't "work with builds" |
14:16:03 | Bagder | patches are source modifications |
14:16:13 | RobbieVox | sorry, ok should they work with any source |
14:16:23 | Bagder | no |
14:16:29 | scott666 | patches should compile no matter what target you compile for |
14:16:37 | Bagder | not if the source changed in an incompatible way |
14:16:54 | Bagder | which happens |
14:17:08 | Bagder | then you need to tweak it manually |
14:17:11 | RobbieVox | ye think this is so |
14:17:17 | LinusN | in fact, most patches in the tracker are probably out of date |
14:17:25 | [IDC]Dragon | the new settings code probably broke most patches |
14:17:27 | Bagder | yeps, more or less |
14:17:43 | Bagder | "If your files have changed too much for the patch to work, it will save the sections of the patch that aren't possible to apply in a file called "filename.rej" (filename being the name of the file for which the failing section was intended for). Then you must take care of them manually." |
14:17:52 | Bagder | http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
14:18:12 | RobbieVox | ahh all i get if a filename prompt |
14:18:27 | Bagder | then read that docs |
14:18:30 | RobbieVox | i think its a source filename rather than destination tho |
14:18:47 | Bagder | it asks for file name if it can't figure it out by itself |
14:18:57 | Bagder | which usually happens because you have the wrong -p argument |
14:19:27 | RobbieVox | dont think i need > p1 |
14:19:36 | RobbieVox | worth a try tho |
14:20:48 | LinusN | RobbieVox: note that the patches in the tracker are submitted by "outside" developers |
14:21:04 | RobbieVox | yes agreed |
14:21:38 | LinusN | so we have no idea if they work, or if they can be applied to the current CVS source |
14:21:50 | RobbieVox | have emailed the submitter so will see |
14:22:20 | scott666 | what patch is it? |
14:22:37 | RobbieVox | must be for a certain rls then as its looking for a non existent .c in firmwares/drivers |
14:22:52 | LinusN | which patch is it? |
14:22:53 | RobbieVox | the remote tx patch in kernel |
14:22:58 | LinusN | ah |
14:25:36 | RobbieVox | the .diff is only june tho things changed so much since then ? |
14:26:27 | scott666 | apparently :-) |
14:26:41 | RobbieVox | lol |
14:27:06 | scott666 | blame jörg ;-) |
14:27:16 | Bagder | we do it on purpose to keep users alert! ;-P |
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14:27:48 | RobbieVox | hmm might be worth trying to patch 2.2 ful rls then as it would have been before the .diff |
14:29:39 | RobbieVox | bbl |
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18:04:05 | BlueChip | hi |
18:04:28 | BlueChip | geez, i've managed to upset someone else on the list - you got a gun to hand so I can go shoot myself |
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19:28:41 | amiconn | Zagor: Just to think about, since I'll be away immediately: This evening I will rebuild the voice files cause of the new entries, after syncing deutsch.lang. Did you already think about how these files could be put on the rockbox page by contributors? Does the wiki allow for binary attachments? |
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19:37:45 | Zagor | amiconn: yes it does |
19:38:00 | Zagor | that's probably the easiest solution for now |
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21:54:22 | amiconn | hi mattzz |
21:54:32 | mattzz | hi jens |
21:55:18 | amiconn | Perhaps you have an idea: I'm currently reworking the deutsch.lang file |
21:55:39 | mattzz | shoot |
21:55:41 | amiconn | "Start recording" was recently changed to "Recording screen" |
21:55:48 | amiconn | in english.lang |
21:56:18 | amiconn | I have no idea how to express this short and clear in german |
21:56:25 | mattzz | how about "Rekorder" ? |
21:56:54 | mattzz | or "Aufnehmen" / "Aufnahme" |
21:56:59 | amiconn | Hmm. Record/recording is translated "Aufnahme" elsewhere |
21:57:42 | * | mattzz switches his box to german |
21:58:28 | * | amiconn uses german almost always, although he does understand english |
21:58:45 | mattzz | ok, you are talking about the menu entry that is currently called "Aufnahme starten"? |
21:58:50 | amiconn | yup |
21:59:21 | amiconn | I doesn't really start recording by itself, that's why it was renamed in english.lang |
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22:00:34 | mattzz | I would still call it "Aufnehmen" because it gets you there. |
22:00:56 | mattzz | But I totally got your point |
22:01:34 | amiconn | If you translate it strict, "Aufnahmebildschirm" sound really odd |
22:01:38 | amiconn | *sounds |
22:01:50 | mattzz | Or call it "Rekorder" because the screen that is shown then _is_ a recorder |
22:02:31 | amiconn | I think I'll settle for "Rekorder". |
22:04:00 | mattzz | "Aufnameeinstellung" is one character too long in standard font |
22:05:34 | amiconn | It is "Aufnahmeeinstellungen"; not too long for me (using rockfont-8) |
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22:06:17 | mattzz | I see "Aufnameeinstellun" |
22:06:34 | mattzz | Rek. Einstellungen? |
22:07:08 | amiconn | I think I won't change that, because of 2 reasons |
22:07:20 | mattzz | speech? |
22:07:36 | amiconn | (1) it depends on the font, even shorter menu items get clipped when using larger fonts |
22:07:53 | amiconn | (2) there are a number of _much_ longer menu items |
22:08:09 | mattzz | Pressing F2 e.g. garbles my screen |
22:08:25 | lImbus|food | amiconn, mattzz: Aufnahmemodus ? |
22:08:34 | mattzz | Using the standard (default) font |
22:08:59 | amiconn | lImbus|food: Nice idea, thanks |
22:09:09 | mattzz | lImbus|food: I vote for that |
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22:10:09 | amiconn | mattzz: For the F2 business - this did also annoy me. |
22:10:22 | amiconn | However, this cannot be changed easily, because it is one of the rare cases where one string is used for two different things. Doh! |
22:11:08 | amiconn | lImbus: changed. |
22:13:19 | mattzz | amiconn: I technical stuff is the reason for the garbled screen, then it is really... eeeehhm... stupid? |
22:14:21 | amiconn | Yes. I'll see if I can change this (after my current rework and voice file re-generation) |
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22:14:38 | mattzz | amiconn: I appreciate that ;-) |
22:15:25 | amiconn | mattzz: As you are (the) wiki expert - is it possible to format an attachment list? |
22:16:28 | mattzz | amiconn: sure, hide the attachment on the wiki page and create a table with links in it: %ATTACHURLPATH% will be your friend |
22:17:09 | amiconn | Ah ok. I'm asking because I want to do the "voice files" page within the wiki, and attach all currently available voice files |
22:19:23 | mattzz | if you do something like [[%ATTACHURLPATH%/voicefile.zip][voicefile]] that should work after attaching a voicefile.zip |
22:21:42 | mattzz | I can provide a startpage if you need help |
22:21:56 | amiconn | Tnaks. |
22:22:02 | amiconn | Thanks |
22:22:06 | mattzz | that was swedish? |
22:22:08 | mattzz | ;-) |
22:23:06 | amiconn | I already had a look at the wiki syntax; it isn't really difficult, as I've done html page before. |
22:24:38 | amiconn | The only thing that is not that easy is finding the help pages within the wiki. If I go to "edit" a page, there could be links to the various syntax help pages |
22:25:32 | mattzz | but there _is_ a syntax link if you edit a page |
22:26:09 | mattzz | TextFormattingRules |
22:26:20 | amiconn | Whoops |
22:26:28 | amiconn | didn't see that |
22:39:19 | | Join Bagder [0] (~daniel@c25025a.hud.bostream.se) |
22:39:28 | amiconn | hi Bagder |
22:39:37 | Bagder | evening |
22:40:47 | uski | gnineve |
22:43:34 | lImbus | hoi |
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22:54:32 | amiconn | lImbus, mattzz: I'm almost done with my deutsch.lang rework, only one problem left - AT&T Klara can't pronounce "alphabetisch" correctly. Perhaps I should go for the new orthography - "alfabetisch" |
22:54:41 | amiconn | Looks a bit odd to me though |
22:56:00 | lImbus | mhm. should I Speechify-Tessa it for you ? |
22:57:16 | amiconn | No really necessary. The alternative is an additional entry in the "pronunciaction correction table" within my script. |
22:57:35 | amiconn | I wonder if the "deutsch.lang" should generally use old or new german orthography |
22:57:41 | lImbus | you ought to teach me how to do anyway |
22:58:14 | lImbus | and I still wonder WTF they are doing at natural voices labs if the 'ph' is not pronounced as 'f' ? |
22:58:31 | midk | it's |
22:58:32 | lImbus | can't remember any user/customber complaining this |
22:58:34 | midk | "pee aych" |
22:58:47 | lImbus | midk: for german |
22:59:00 | midk | :D |
22:59:00 | amiconn | It seems that while the engine gernerally knows about special combinations, it does not always detect them |
22:59:36 | amiconn | E.g. the german engine properly pronounces the "au" in "Lauf", but not in "Suchlauf" |
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23:00:04 | amiconn | You have to write "Such-lauf" to get it pronounced properly |
23:00:19 | lImbus | is the pronunciaction correction table part of the at&t-software (I know others have) or REALLY a part of yours ? |
23:01:10 | amiconn | It is a table contained in my script to "pre-mangle" problematic strings (as "Suchlauf" -> "Such-lauf") |
23:01:28 | lImbus | k |
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23:01:45 | midk | hi hardeep |
23:01:52 | hardeep | hello |
23:01:59 | Bagder | howdy hardeep |
23:02:54 | midk | hi bagder |
23:05:01 | * | Bagder bows in midk's direction |
23:06:22 | midk | hello captain bagder |
23:10:31 | amiconn | mattzz: voice files done, trying to make the wiki page |
23:12:25 | mattzz | I will be watching you ;-) |
23:14:08 | elinenbe | hello hardeep, Bagder, midk, and amiconn |
23:19:50 | dstar | what about... me? |
23:20:08 | mattzz | yeah, what about you? ;-) |
23:24:26 | elinenbe | hi dstar and mattzz |
23:24:41 | midk | hi elinenbe |
23:24:44 | mattzz | hi elinenbe |
23:25:29 | mattzz | must be some delay on the line |
23:28:57 | mattzz | gotta leave folx - c u l8er |
23:29:04 | | Quit mattzz ("Client exiting") |
23:32:01 | dstar | bye veryone |
23:32:04 | dstar | i love you all! |
23:32:14 | dstar | except zagor atm |
23:32:17 | dstar | because he was mean |
23:32:24 | midk | HAHA |
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23:46:26 | | Nick midk is now known as midk|gone (~Zakk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) |
23:47:36 | uski | see ya folks |
23:51:19 | | Quit uski ("Leaving") |
23:56:11 | lImbus | amiconn: I think I can get a tool that helps manual recording/speaking of voice-strings. quality is so much better than tts. |
23:56:44 | lImbus | I'm just thinking of this as I am still using the UK-english.voice for comfort. |
23:57:27 | lImbus | this plus a few nice female voices ... |
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23:58:45 | amiconn | hi LinusN |