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#rockbox log for 2004-06-24

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00:16:32 Join Jt740 [0] (909510b8@ACBFF53B.ipt.aol.com)
00:16:49Jt740Hi
00:16:56Jt740why was tetris renamed to rockblox?
00:17:06midkpotential legal problems
00:17:17Jt740ok
00:17:22midki believe it was commented on in the cvs update
00:17:32Jt740hey, you're not gonna believe this, but Rockbox was mentioned in a computer magazine
00:17:45midkyes, it was on the mailing list
00:17:47hardeepI believe it!
00:18:01Jt740no mid, in an off-the-shelf computer mag
00:18:04midkquote:
00:18:06midk" Tetris is now Rockblox, to avoid trademark problems"
00:18:08Jt740if I had a scanner I would scan it and upload
00:18:19midkhmm
00:18:21midkwhich magazine?
00:18:27Jt740Personal Computer World
00:18:56midkthat's what was on the mailing list
00:19:02Jt740ok
00:19:17Jt740no specific mention of Zagor or mikeholden though
00:19:25midkah.
00:19:27Jt740just Rockbox
00:20:05Jt740according to the mag Rockbox "is still in early development"
00:21:08midklol
00:21:11midkmaybe avos they meant?
00:21:12Jt740like the new website updates though
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00:21:23Jt740like the graduated "daily builds" section, nice shade of blue
00:23:21Jt740my archos is well old now
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00:25:03elinenbeamiconn: nice work on the grayscale patch −− now lets use it for something! :)
00:25:15Jt740would be great for WPS use
00:25:20amiconnBig fat mega-commit ;)
00:27:02hardeepamiconn: does splitting the framework really reduce plugin size? I would have thought the linker would be smart enough to only include functions that were used.
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00:27:40amiconnhardeep: Yes it does, because the linker isn't smart enough to get rid of unused functions.
00:28:22amiconnIt reduces jpeg.rock by ~2.7 KB, mandelbrot.rock by ~3.5 KB, grayscale.rock by ~0.8 KB
00:28:42hardeepinteresting
00:29:49amiconnAs you see, even grayscale.rock doesn't use all functions, in spite of being the example for how to use the grayscale framework
00:34:36hardeephmmm, there are some compiler and linker flags that are supposed to remove unused functions: -ffunction-sections and −−gc-sections
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00:39:09amiconnhmmm. Nobody came up with these flags before, even when I asked if there is a method to get rid of unused functions
00:39:15amiconnAnyway, the splitting still has the advantage to make the grayscale lib more maintainable.
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00:40:40hardeepit's mentioned here: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-help/2003-08/msg00128.html
00:40:50hardeepi haven't actually used it myself
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00:45:34*amiconn is trying to test that
00:48:53amiconnHmm, the linker does complain about undefined memory regions...
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00:54:11hardeepnot sure. maybe the grayscale library also needs to be compiled differently?
00:55:54amiconnI tried to compile everything within "lib" with -ffunction-sections and to link the plugins with −−gc-sections
00:56:57amiconnThis doesn't work because compiling with -ffunction-sections produces one section per function (sic) that is not called .text (the default), but .text.<function_name>
00:57:39hardeepyou need to compile each rock with -ffunction-sections if i'm reading this correctly
00:57:40amiconnThe linker script within "plugins" does only define a rule for the .text section, so obviously I have to define something like a wildcard rule
00:58:25amiconnThe ml article obviously doesn't deal with the case of using a linker script
00:58:38hardeepyeah
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01:19:21amiconnhardeep: Now I found the method how to tell the linker the section-name wildcard and to garbage-collect
01:19:44amiconnBut obviously the linker now treats _all_ functions as unused! :(
01:20:08hardeepheh
01:20:36hardeepI'm getting file format not recognized errors for the non-grayscale plugins. Maybe -Wl,−−gc-sections isn't support for the sh1
01:21:31 Quit midk ("yo yo yo cya later YO YO YO wasa wasa!")
01:22:05amiconnIt seems that it is supported, but look into the map files of non-grayscale plugins - no content in any section!
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01:23:32hardeepoh, laugh
01:25:45amiconnOne step further.. it does now work for some plugins
01:26:39amiconn"Surround sections that should not be eliminated with KEEP()", i.e. KEEP(*(.entry))
01:29:36amiconnIt does not yet work for plugins which won't work for the current target - there is still no section in the .elf (there used to be .comment)
01:32:51hardeephmmm, could we add a size check before doing the objcopy
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01:45:40juhello everybody, i think with sub hours world wide, it is the light in usa?
01:46:11ju 1992
01:46:11ju
01:46:11juOctopus
01:46:19dstar5?
01:46:46juhttp://www.cqf.info/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1624&sid=732c871d8f253dba16105dc5dbe43141#1624
01:47:53dstar5heh me not that good at math
01:47:56dstar5i am only 14
01:48:42jui have a question:how ca i do to make a Mandelbrot like the plug in on my pc?
01:49:32dstar5ju: learn to print things in a window
01:49:39dstar5and then plug in that code ;)
01:50:40juho yes i don't forget
01:51:37juwhat is the code?
01:51:41amiconnhardeep: Got it to work
01:52:28dstar5ju: http://rockbox.haxx.se/apps/plugins/mandelbrot.c
01:52:59dstar5fractals aree neat
01:54:41jusorry what is aree neat?i m french
01:56:02dstar5umm fractals are like the siepinski triangle, and the mandelbrot set
01:56:24juwell
01:56:33dstar5http://math.rice.edu/~lanius/frac/
01:56:44dstar5that is in english, but will explain it better :)
01:59:07jui believe
01:59:19amiconnhardeep: This method yields plugins that are still a bit larger than with my split library, the only exception being grayscale.rock, which is 8 bytes smaller (and I know why)
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02:00:23jugrayscale is fractal?
02:00:40dstar5ju: no
02:00:43dstar5i have to go see you all
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02:02:17jusorry but what is Galland in french?
02:02:35juho sorry i m in usa
02:05:42juwhat more?
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02:12:07jui don t know like compile the plug in?
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05:11:51thirdworldmy LCD still isn't working well
05:12:02thirdworldnot that it would heal itself
05:12:19thirdworldbut it only works when applying pressure to the wound
05:12:23thirdworldif you know what i mean
05:17:09thirdworldi think one of the chips is loose
05:17:52thirdworldi've been led to believe this since when i apply pressure to where that chip is, the lcd starts to work again
05:18:10thirdworldbut by applying pressure to any other part of the circuit board does nothing
05:18:57thirdworldnow, from that point, do i just resolder the joints to make sure everything is making good contact?
05:20:18thirdworldany ideas?
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08:43:37stampshi!
08:44:09stampshas anyone experienced 'request cannot be performed because of an I/O device error' when trying to copy to a jukebox 6000 from winxp?
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08:53:35midkhi linusn
08:58:10LinusNyo yo yo
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09:17:26*Zagor stares at the cvs commit table
09:17:36midk*runs to look at the cvs commit table
09:22:06Zagorpersonally, I wouldn't have done that until a plugin needed it.
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09:22:38InternetBoyany mac users in here?
09:22:48*LinusN looks away
09:22:55LinusNwhistling
09:23:06Zagoradmit it linus, you have a mac in a corner!
09:23:21LinusNplease don't tell anyone
09:23:36Zagoryour secret is safe with me :)
09:23:44LinusNInternetBoy: i have a mac, but i have never connected my archos to it
09:23:55InternetBoyI hate macs but, I am trying to do a Hard Drive upgrade for someone
09:24:11InternetBoyand I can not get my Archos JukeBox Recorder working on it
09:24:15LinusNand you need to create a fat32 partition?
09:24:20InternetBoynope
09:24:30stampshas anyone had a 'request cannot be performed because of an I/O device error' when trying to copy to a jukebox 6000 from winxp?
09:24:32InternetBoyI can hookup my JukeBox MM fine
09:24:46LinusNstamps: i haven't
09:25:03InternetBoyMacs can R/W to NTFS and Fat16/32
09:25:04LinusNInternetBoy: which recorder model?
09:25:06Zagorstamps: i hardly ever used xp
09:25:16stampsmy jukebox is acting shady. :(
09:25:44Zagorhave you tried connecting to another computer?
09:25:49InternetBoyso dose any one know why a JukeBox recorder would not work on os x 10.2.4
09:25:54LinusNInternetBoy: is it recorder 6k, 10 or 20?
09:26:10stampsit doesn't power up unless it's connected to USB or a charger, along with intermittent copying errors.
09:26:24stampsZagor : not yet, no
09:26:31LinusNstamps: and you wonder why XP in particular has problems with that?
09:26:34InternetBoyits 10(but I put a brad new 40gb in it(all tough it dose not work with the stock 10gb hdd)
09:26:55LinusNInternetBoy: the rec10 probably has USB 1.1
09:27:00stampsLinusN : i wasn't wondering if it was XP, i thought any information I supplied would help :)
09:27:03LinusNand needs a special ISD200 driver
09:27:08InternetBoyit works fine on my linux / windows computers
09:27:19LinusNstamps: i think your battery contacts are bad
09:27:21InternetBoyRecorder is usb 1.1(or 1.0)
09:27:27LinusNor perhaps the batteries themselves
09:27:40stampsLinusN : interesting. same thing happens with 2 different sets of batteries.
09:27:55LinusNInternetBoy: linux has ISD200 drivers (thanks to Zagor)
09:28:09InternetBoyyup( 2.4+)
09:28:25InternetBoythe mac needs drivers but I installd em
09:28:50LinusNdoes it recognize the jukebox at all?
09:28:54InternetBoynope
09:29:21LinusNwhich drivers did you install?
09:29:46InternetBoythe ones from archos.com for the recorder on 10.2
09:30:04InternetBoythe comp is os x 10.2.4
09:30:39InternetBoyman macs suck ass
09:30:53LinusNInternetBoy: those are probably just usb2.0 drivers
09:31:31InternetBoythay look to be for USB 1.1 and for a few diff chip sets
09:33:30LinusNwhere?
09:33:53InternetBoythe installer says: for ATA and ATAPI support for the Cypress ISD725, ISD200, USD300 USB Bridge Chips
09:34:25LinusNok, then it should work
09:34:26InternetBoyAs well is SL11RIDE SL11_Combo FX and FX2
09:34:41LinusNhow old is the driver?
09:35:34InternetBoyversion 1.4 for OS X 10.2 (but the computer is 10.2.8)
09:35:50LinusNi know that the very latest ISDxxx drivers for Windows actually removed the support for ISD200
09:36:00InternetBoythay have diff drivers for 10.1.3, 10.1.4 ext
09:36:50InternetBoythe driver is from 2002
09:37:01Zagoris it the same as this: http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/9196
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09:39:14InternetBoywell nothing is comeing up when I pulg in the Jukebox but I will download it and try it
09:40:07LinusNInternetBoy: "nothing is coming" means what exactly?
09:40:21LinusNare you sure that the jukebox isn't detected at all?
09:40:44LinusNor does the mac refuse to pop up a disk just because the partition table is empty?
09:41:16InternetBoyI ran the mac disk program is it dose not show up
09:41:43InternetBoyEvan if I put a mac formated disk in the jukebox it will not show up
09:41:52LinusNok
09:42:07*LinusN will try this at home some day...
09:43:00InternetBoymy JukeBox MM shows up fine(USB 1.1 fat32 formated disk)
09:43:40InternetBoybut its hard as shit to change out a hard drive on a jukebox mm
09:44:23Zagorthe harddrive is not the problem if you can connect it to linux and/or windows
09:45:08midknite
09:45:10InternetBoynope
09:45:11Zagori'm not sure the MM has the same usb chip as your recorder10
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09:45:29InternetBoyits diff
09:45:40InternetBoyyou dont need drivers for the MM
09:47:40*LinusN is a novice mac user
09:48:02LinusNi only bought it for a s/w devlopment project
09:48:08*InternetBoy is a mac noob
09:48:22LinusNso i have developed software for it, but i have never really used it :-)
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10:00:51[IDC]DragonHelp, I'm a wiki illiterate. How do I create a document?
10:01:01LinusN[IDC]Dragon: did you get the function exclusion to work?
10:01:18[IDC]Dragonthe what?
10:01:54LinusN[IDC]Dragon: ignore me, i'm silly
10:02:36[IDC]Dragonbut I'd still be interested in how to create a wiki doc...
10:02:38LinusNnote to self: amiconn is not [IDC]Dragon
10:02:45LinusNgo to the topic
10:02:56LinusNand you will be asked to create it if it doesn't exist
10:03:21LinusNa wiki topic has upper case for each "word" in it
10:03:25[IDC]Dragontoo simple to be intuitive
10:03:30Zagorwe should document that, it's far from obvious
10:03:32LinusNfor example MyTopic
10:03:42[IDC]Dragonyep, got it
10:04:08LinusN"someone" should document that :-)
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10:08:10[IDC]Dragonthanks, cu later
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10:14:03HesHmm, how is the 'Recent CVS activity' list generated for the rockbox front page? I'd like to do the same on another CVS archive.
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10:20:20LinusNa perl script that parses the cvs logs
10:22:51HesIs the script available in the CVS?
10:23:21Zagorno, but somewhere on bagders homepage i think: daniel.haxx.se
10:23:49Zagor(best ask bagder)
10:25:00Zagorhttp://daniel.haxx.se/projects/recentcvs/
10:25:24HesAhh, thank you!
10:26:06Hesvery nice indeed, my colleagues will enjoy it.
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11:12:41ddhello does rockbox is compatible with archos video serie?
11:12:46LinusNno
11:12:46Zagorno
11:13:17Bagderno
11:13:40***SPY: Authentication failed for Zagor
11:13:45lImbusno
11:14:44Zagorthere is some fun stuff on avos.sf.net, but not a full firmware replacement
11:20:11ddrockbox is a fool firmware replacement?
11:20:28dwihnoYou betcha!
11:34:54ddIs there any french here because t hate english
11:40:46ddwhat is the rockbox language code?
11:40:55dwihnoMainly C
11:41:04dwihnosome SH-1 assembler for misc stuff
11:41:58ddSH-1?
11:43:01dwihnoThe processor used in the archos units
11:43:39dwihnoARM core
11:44:28ddAnd is there sometimes cataclysm in the code?
11:44:47dwihnocataclysm?
11:45:08ddis the code contain sometimes bug?
11:45:14dwihnoNo, I'm a catholic ;)
11:45:27dwihnoWell, the code is more bug free than the archos firmware imho
11:45:32dwihnoBut there are bugs, yes.
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11:56:45ddright now i remember
11:56:54ddwhy i m here
11:57:32ddhow do yo log channel on the web?
11:59:14ddor how do i put Mandelbrot on my pc?
11:59:49ddbecause i v got the code under the eyes and i can t do anything
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12:00:35ddsorry?
12:04:11ddi m downloading 6.15 version of mIRC
12:06:38ddwhere is freenode IRC serveur?
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12:22:19ddthe network of rockbox is linux based on?or it s simply DNS?
12:22:48Zagordd: the web server runs linux. there is no rockbox network.
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12:33:12Zagordwihno: the sh-1 doesn't have an arm core. the sh-1 *is* the cpu core
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13:01:01BlueChip 09:00
13:01:17BlueChipsorry, wrong window
13:02:30[IDC]Dragon13:02 here
13:03:34[IDC]DragonLinusN, Zagor: r u listening?
13:04:34Zagorwe're here
13:05:40[IDC]DragonI'm considering to "brush up" the button code
13:05:58[IDC]DragonI know you've been in disagreement, but still...
13:07:04[IDC]DragonThinking some more about it, we have the analogy to a race condition here
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13:08:21[IDC]Dragonwe know that with tough luck we can sample a transition as a button level, but ignore it
13:09:00BlueChipif you do rejig the code, can you add an inkey$ function ;)
13:09:27dd:)
13:10:03Bagderinkey$ ?
13:10:07[IDC]DragonJens suggested a "dead zone" between the button levels. That will make false readings more unlikely, but not eliminate the problem.
13:10:12Zagor[IDC]Dragon: we had a guy in here last night who could trigger this pretty easily. before committing anything, send it to him for testing
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13:10:47[IDC]Dragondid he leave an email?
13:10:56Zagoryes, but I doubt we can find such a dead zone. linus had problems even drawing lines between buttons. i'm pushing him to publish his data in twiki
13:11:09Zagor[IDC]Dragon: yes, check last nights log
13:11:15[IDC]Dragonthat would be very helpful, thanks
13:11:25[IDC]Dragon(the data)
13:12:10ddthe data is in the next room but where is before?
13:12:59[IDC]Dragonsound like quantum physics?
13:15:02ddyes the arithmétix of euclide
13:22:40ddthe fithteen is good now?
13:22:57Bagderno sixteen
13:23:08*Bagder looks at dd
13:24:51ddIS the mathématiques statisticts no good at all?
13:25:04dwihnoZagor: Ah. Me and CPU = big mess :D
13:25:05ddor it s just for true?
13:25:11LinusNdd: what are you talking about?
13:25:14dwihnoZagor: I leave that to you guys, and I'll just do interface stuff. Deal? :)
13:25:21Zagordwihno: deal :)
13:25:26*Bagder believes dd might be a crazy serial killer
13:26:05LinusNa glitch in the matrix
13:26:44ddmy pc is so late
13:26:55ddhow can i boost him?
13:27:09Bagderpress the turbo button
13:27:30ddok i press
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13:27:50[IDC]Dragonwho was that?
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13:28:40Zagori'm still not sure if it was "who" or "what"
13:28:44LinusNamiconn: did you get the function exclusion working?
13:28:51LinusNhi btw
13:28:53Bagderan AOL user, what can you expect?
13:29:01LinusNah, that explains it
13:29:15[IDC]DragonHi Jens, I'm late in saying thanks for the voice file updates
13:31:44[IDC]Dragonamiconn: don't worry, LinusN asks that to everybody popping in here ;-)
13:33:15LinusN:-)
13:33:20LinusNi was about to ask dd
13:33:35LinusNbut somehow he didn't seem to ave a lue
13:33:44LinusNhave a clue
13:35:02*Bagder buys his clues on ebay
13:35:51dwihnoI just wonder
13:36:01dwihnoHow come the old computers used to have turbo buttons? :)
13:36:05dwihnoI mean, who would want a slow computer?
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13:39:22ddwhere is turbo link?
13:39:28BlueChippower consumption is approximately proportional to the speed of the processor squared ;)
13:40:39Bagderdd: http://127.0.0.1/warez
13:41:16ddho sorry i forgot to run opensource
13:41:54Bagderdd: what kind of drugs are you on?
13:42:29ddwhere can i built the cheap server for my website?
13:42:44BagderI bet dd is a bot
13:42:45Zagordd: this channel is about rockbox
13:42:51LinusNat home?
13:43:13Mode"#rockbox +o Zagor " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
13:43:25Mode"#rockbox +o logbot " by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se)
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13:43:57ddRockbox is the only firmware for Archos?
13:44:04Bagderno
13:44:26BagderI think I recall one made by... eh, was it Archos?
13:44:44ddyou say that!
13:45:30ddyou ve got all the archos user firmware
13:46:18ddis the donate been cheaper than the work?
13:47:33LinusNthe donations have paid a few lunches...
13:47:41Bagderthis is better than M-x psychoanalyze-pinhead ;-)
13:48:36ddso it s been cheap
13:48:49Bagderrockbox is cheap, yes
13:48:57Bagderbut worth every penny
13:49:00ddit is only on the matrix?
13:49:48ddyou built a monsters economic budjet so:)
13:50:32ddwe can t do that because it s not true
13:51:07ddprogramme are gearing our serveur and DNS no?
13:51:43BlueChipsomeone put that bot out of it's embarrasing misery please - LOL
13:52:31Zagordd: rockbox has nothing do to with dns or servers
13:53:45ddRockbox and the banque, where is the RIB where can i give?
13:53:50LinusNdd: this is the MP3 player rockbox, not the firewall rockbox
13:55:03Zagor"The RockBox [TM] is an off the shelf Dell computer with two network interfaces (NICs) that serves as a gateway/firewall that arbitrates access to a network."
13:55:19Bagderaha
13:55:19ddso you picked up than a real firewall?
13:55:37Bagderstill, dd doesn't read
13:55:38Zagordd: this channel is about rockbox.haxx.se, not the firewall
13:57:55ddwhere is the turbo link on my jukebox?
13:59:15DBUGsent MODE #rockbox -o+b dd *!*ju_@*.ipt.aol.com
13:59:15DBUGSent KICK dd to server
13:59:16Mode"#rockbox -o+b dd *!*ju_@*.ipt.aol.com " by logbot (~bjst@193.15.23.131)
13:59:16Kick(#rockbox dd :Go search your needle in another haystack) by logbot!~bjst@193.15.23.131
13:59:42*Bagder sighs from relief
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14:03:12[IDC]Dragonlogbot kicked many people...
14:03:19Zagorhehe
14:03:48*Bagder bows before logot to be spared
14:03:52Bagderlogbot
14:04:05[IDC]Dragon;-)
14:04:28[IDC]Dragonso we're left in the matrix
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14:13:33ddi m free
14:13:53Bagdergo away please
14:14:20ddok i tried another
14:14:39ddi help my dad to work
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14:16:10[IDC]DragonLinusN: did you find your button survey?
14:17:31LinusNi have it in my PDA
14:17:58LinusNbut i'll have to copy it at home, because i don't have my synch cable here
14:18:14[IDC]Dragonfine, thanks
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14:58:59amiconnLinusN: Sorry to answer your question rather late (was away) - I did the function exclusion working, but not completely.#
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15:00:08amiconn*did get
15:11:56Zagorwhat is/was missing?
15:17:49amiconnThe linker garbage collector didn't find _all_ unused functions, some of them were still included
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16:18:47mattzzamiconn: r u reading?
16:20:43amiconnyup
16:21:14mattzzhow about adding a column for sound sample in VoiceFiles?
16:21:25mattzzin wav or mp3 format, only a small snippet
16:22:39amiconnHmm. Maybe this is a good idea, and I can easily do that for my own contributions, but what about the other voice files?
16:23:05Zagorwe could simply copy the first x kilobytes from the file
16:24:26mattzzthat would work? Where is the header?
16:28:41Zagoroh, right. forgot that.
16:29:53mattzzOK, I added a column
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16:32:50amiconnZagor: the voice files is not in pure mp3 format. Iirc there is a header, two tables, then the individual clips. Additionally the clips are already bitswapped
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16:44:54Zagoramiconn: yeah. i wasn't thinking.
16:46:38Zagorwell, I'll be away for the weekend. happy midsummer everyone.
16:46:39*Bagder gets some nice ATA -1 errors :-/
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16:50:09ddfloopy is the best
16:51:35ddi remember duny on playstation
16:51:51ddwho is work on it?
16:52:13ddand who is home?
16:55:13ddand info on rockbox?
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17:06:17ddsorry?
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17:07:09dddo rockbox have a radio on winamp?
17:07:25ddor it is a programme?
17:07:52ddi bilieve them
17:08:21ddwhos is elinenbe?
17:10:09ddprogramme or man tell me if rockbox have an winamp radio
17:11:34ddi like handball, do you like him?
17:11:43ddTom hanks of course
17:12:17ddyes we watch american film in france
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17:15:40bobillrockbox player is it a ARM programme or simply based on C
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17:58:21lImbusBlueChip: are you in ? Am installing the DevKit v3 you send me these days. got a few notes:
17:58:33lImbusCan't find the /DEVKIT/Rockbox.pif
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18:01:13lImbusfurthermore /DEVKIT/home/rockbox/ is not created (there is only ./guest)
18:02:31lImbusI am user guest if I start bash −−login or rockbox.bat
18:03:15lImbusThe RockBox-DevKit_v30.txt says "7a. === Making a Simluator Build ===" (typo)
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18:13:43lImbusbut looks nice and works finde
18:13:46lImbus-d
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18:43:14lImbusamiconn: Since you told me "emergency parks" on the hard disk should not be done too often, I wonder if we could display a small icon within statusbar to show if the harddisk is spinning.
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19:07:40amiconnlImbus: For the emergency unload, see e.g. http://www.hitachigst.com/tech/techlib.nsf/techdocs/85256AB8006A31E587256A770052F2E4/$file/t60gh40gn_sp30.pdf , page 29
19:10:07amiconnIf there is enough room in the status bar, it should be possible to put an icon there, but I doubt that the room is available
19:14:36hardeepamiconn: how much of a difference was there in size between splitting the lib into files and using the removal flags?
19:14:42hardeepi'm surprised there was any
19:15:57amiconnIt differed between the plugins using the lib. There was none for grayscale.rock (except that it was 8 bytes smaller due to a change necessary for the splitting).
19:16:16hardeephow much did it differ for the plugins?
19:16:41amiconnBoth mandelbrot.rock and jpeg.rock were a few hundred bytes larger than with the split library
19:17:26hardeepwere the functions larger or were some extra functions included?
19:17:35amiconnObviously the linker's garbage collector didn't find all unused functions (I looked at the .map files)
19:17:51hardeepstrange...
19:18:19hardeepeither way, a few hundred bytes doesn't sound like much for a cleaner setup
19:19:22amiconnImho the split library is the cleaner setup (more maintainable, no single big chunk of code)
19:19:56amiconnbbl.
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19:20:11hardeepi actually think the opposite, having a single file for individual files seems messy to me
19:20:20hardeeper individual functions
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22:49:13midklol
22:49:16midkAHAHAHAHAH
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23:06:38Katzhey
23:07:14Katzcould someone give me some info on a car adapter for my rec v2?
23:07:33midkyes?
23:07:42Katzok
23:07:55Katzfirst off, i see there is a "car-adapter" mode in rockbox
23:07:58Katzwhat exactly does this do?
23:08:12Katzi cant seem to find any documentation on the topic
23:08:33midkwhen power is plugged, then unplugged or cut it pauses the song
23:08:52Katzthat all?
23:09:26midkwhen restored, back to play mode
23:09:26midkyes
23:10:00Katzcool
23:10:12Katzok, i ordered a car adapter from newmp3technology
23:10:32Katzthey make car adapters that supposedly supply correct voltage to ajb's
23:10:42Katzanyone tried these before?
23:12:47midkno
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