#rockbox 2004-06-24

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#rockbox log for 2004-06-24

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00:16:32		Join Jt740 [0] (909510b8@ACBFF53B.ipt.aol.com)
00:16:49	Jt740	Hi
00:16:56	Jt740	why was tetris renamed to rockblox?
00:17:06	midk	potential legal problems
00:17:17	Jt740	ok
00:17:22	midk	i believe it was commented on in the cvs update
00:17:32	Jt740	hey, you're not gonna believe this, but Rockbox was mentioned in a computer magazine
00:17:45	midk	yes, it was on the mailing list
00:17:47	hardeep	I believe it!
00:18:01	Jt740	no mid, in an off-the-shelf computer mag
00:18:04	midk	quote:
00:18:06	midk	" Tetris is now Rockblox, to avoid trademark problems"
00:18:08	Jt740	if I had a scanner I would scan it and upload
00:18:19	midk	hmm
00:18:21	midk	which magazine?
00:18:27	Jt740	Personal Computer World
00:18:56	midk	that's what was on the mailing list
00:19:02	Jt740	ok
00:19:17	Jt740	no specific mention of Zagor or mikeholden though
00:19:25	midk	ah.
00:19:27	Jt740	just Rockbox
00:20:05	Jt740	according to the mag Rockbox "is still in early development"
00:21:08	midk	lol
00:21:11	midk	maybe avos they meant?
00:21:12	Jt740	like the new website updates though
00:21:20		Quit mecraw ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)")
00:21:23	Jt740	like the graduated "daily builds" section, nice shade of blue
00:23:21	Jt740	my archos is well old now
00:24:58		Join dstar5 [0] (lee@IC103.library.oregonstate.edu)
00:25:03	elinenbe	amiconn: nice work on the grayscale patch −− now lets use it for something! :)
00:25:15	Jt740	would be great for WPS use
00:25:20	amiconn	Big fat mega-commit ;)
00:27:02	hardeep	amiconn: does splitting the framework really reduce plugin size? I would have thought the linker would be smart enough to only include functions that were used.
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00:27:40	amiconn	hardeep: Yes it does, because the linker isn't smart enough to get rid of unused functions.
00:28:22	amiconn	It reduces jpeg.rock by ~2.7 KB, mandelbrot.rock by ~3.5 KB, grayscale.rock by ~0.8 KB
00:28:42	hardeep	interesting
00:29:49	amiconn	As you see, even grayscale.rock doesn't use all functions, in spite of being the example for how to use the grayscale framework
00:34:36	hardeep	hmmm, there are some compiler and linker flags that are supposed to remove unused functions: -ffunction-sections and −−gc-sections
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00:39:09	amiconn	hmmm. Nobody came up with these flags before, even when I asked if there is a method to get rid of unused functions
00:39:15	amiconn	Anyway, the splitting still has the advantage to make the grayscale lib more maintainable.
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00:40:40	hardeep	it's mentioned here: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-help/2003-08/msg00128.html
00:40:50	hardeep	i haven't actually used it myself
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00:45:34	*	amiconn is trying to test that
00:48:53	amiconn	Hmm, the linker does complain about undefined memory regions...
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00:54:11	hardeep	not sure. maybe the grayscale library also needs to be compiled differently?
00:55:54	amiconn	I tried to compile everything within "lib" with -ffunction-sections and to link the plugins with −−gc-sections
00:56:57	amiconn	This doesn't work because compiling with -ffunction-sections produces one section per function (sic) that is not called .text (the default), but .text.<function_name>
00:57:39	hardeep	you need to compile each rock with -ffunction-sections if i'm reading this correctly
00:57:40	amiconn	The linker script within "plugins" does only define a rule for the .text section, so obviously I have to define something like a wildcard rule
00:58:25	amiconn	The ml article obviously doesn't deal with the case of using a linker script
00:58:38	hardeep	yeah
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01:19:21	amiconn	hardeep: Now I found the method how to tell the linker the section-name wildcard and to garbage-collect
01:19:44	amiconn	But obviously the linker now treats _all_ functions as unused! :(
01:20:08	hardeep	heh
01:20:36	hardeep	I'm getting file format not recognized errors for the non-grayscale plugins. Maybe -Wl,−−gc-sections isn't support for the sh1
01:21:31		Quit midk ("yo yo yo cya later YO YO YO wasa wasa!")
01:22:05	amiconn	It seems that it is supported, but look into the map files of non-grayscale plugins - no content in any section!
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01:23:32	hardeep	oh, laugh
01:25:45	amiconn	One step further.. it does now work for some plugins
01:26:39	amiconn	"Surround sections that should not be eliminated with KEEP()", i.e. KEEP(*(.entry))
01:29:36	amiconn	It does not yet work for plugins which won't work for the current target - there is still no section in the .elf (there used to be .comment)
01:32:51	hardeep	hmmm, could we add a size check before doing the objcopy
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01:45:40	ju	hello everybody, i think with sub hours world wide, it is the light in usa?
01:46:11	ju	1992
01:46:11	ju
01:46:11	ju	Octopus
01:46:19	dstar5	?
01:46:46	ju	http://www.cqf.info/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1624&sid=732c871d8f253dba16105dc5dbe43141#1624
01:47:53	dstar5	heh me not that good at math
01:47:56	dstar5	i am only 14
01:48:42	ju	i have a question:how ca i do to make a Mandelbrot like the plug in on my pc?
01:49:32	dstar5	ju: learn to print things in a window
01:49:39	dstar5	and then plug in that code ;)
01:50:40	ju	ho yes i don't forget
01:51:37	ju	what is the code?
01:51:41	amiconn	hardeep: Got it to work
01:52:28	dstar5	ju: http://rockbox.haxx.se/apps/plugins/mandelbrot.c
01:52:59	dstar5	fractals aree neat
01:54:41	ju	sorry what is aree neat?i m french
01:56:02	dstar5	umm fractals are like the siepinski triangle, and the mandelbrot set
01:56:24	ju	well
01:56:33	dstar5	http://math.rice.edu/~lanius/frac/
01:56:44	dstar5	that is in english, but will explain it better :)
01:59:07	ju	i believe
01:59:19	amiconn	hardeep: This method yields plugins that are still a bit larger than with my split library, the only exception being grayscale.rock, which is 8 bytes smaller (and I know why)
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02:00:23	ju	grayscale is fractal?
02:00:40	dstar5	ju: no
02:00:43	dstar5	i have to go see you all
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02:02:17	ju	sorry but what is Galland in french?
02:02:35	ju	ho sorry i m in usa
02:05:42	ju	what more?
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02:12:07	ju	i don t know like compile the plug in?
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05:11:51	thirdworld	my LCD still isn't working well
05:12:02	thirdworld	not that it would heal itself
05:12:19	thirdworld	but it only works when applying pressure to the wound
05:12:23	thirdworld	if you know what i mean
05:17:09	thirdworld	i think one of the chips is loose
05:17:52	thirdworld	i've been led to believe this since when i apply pressure to where that chip is, the lcd starts to work again
05:18:10	thirdworld	but by applying pressure to any other part of the circuit board does nothing
05:18:57	thirdworld	now, from that point, do i just resolder the joints to make sure everything is making good contact?
05:20:18	thirdworld	any ideas?
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05:42:05	thirdworld	laterz
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08:43:37	stamps	hi!
08:44:09	stamps	has anyone experienced 'request cannot be performed because of an I/O device error' when trying to copy to a jukebox 6000 from winxp?
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08:53:35	midk	hi linusn
08:58:10	LinusN	yo yo yo
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09:17:26	*	Zagor stares at the cvs commit table
09:17:36	midk	*runs to look at the cvs commit table
09:22:06	Zagor	personally, I wouldn't have done that until a plugin needed it.
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09:22:38	InternetBoy	any mac users in here?
09:22:48	*	LinusN looks away
09:22:55	LinusN	whistling
09:23:06	Zagor	admit it linus, you have a mac in a corner!
09:23:21	LinusN	please don't tell anyone
09:23:36	Zagor	your secret is safe with me :)
09:23:44	LinusN	InternetBoy: i have a mac, but i have never connected my archos to it
09:23:55	InternetBoy	I hate macs but, I am trying to do a Hard Drive upgrade for someone
09:24:11	InternetBoy	and I can not get my Archos JukeBox Recorder working on it
09:24:15	LinusN	and you need to create a fat32 partition?
09:24:20	InternetBoy	nope
09:24:30	stamps	has anyone had a 'request cannot be performed because of an I/O device error' when trying to copy to a jukebox 6000 from winxp?
09:24:32	InternetBoy	I can hookup my JukeBox MM fine
09:24:46	LinusN	stamps: i haven't
09:25:03	InternetBoy	Macs can R/W to NTFS and Fat16/32
09:25:04	LinusN	InternetBoy: which recorder model?
09:25:06	Zagor	stamps: i hardly ever used xp
09:25:16	stamps	my jukebox is acting shady. :(
09:25:44	Zagor	have you tried connecting to another computer?
09:25:49	InternetBoy	so dose any one know why a JukeBox recorder would not work on os x 10.2.4
09:25:54	LinusN	InternetBoy: is it recorder 6k, 10 or 20?
09:26:10	stamps	it doesn't power up unless it's connected to USB or a charger, along with intermittent copying errors.
09:26:24	stamps	Zagor : not yet, no
09:26:31	LinusN	stamps: and you wonder why XP in particular has problems with that?
09:26:34	InternetBoy	its 10(but I put a brad new 40gb in it(all tough it dose not work with the stock 10gb hdd)
09:26:55	LinusN	InternetBoy: the rec10 probably has USB 1.1
09:27:00	stamps	LinusN : i wasn't wondering if it was XP, i thought any information I supplied would help :)
09:27:03	LinusN	and needs a special ISD200 driver
09:27:08	InternetBoy	it works fine on my linux / windows computers
09:27:19	LinusN	stamps: i think your battery contacts are bad
09:27:21	InternetBoy	Recorder is usb 1.1(or 1.0)
09:27:27	LinusN	or perhaps the batteries themselves
09:27:40	stamps	LinusN : interesting. same thing happens with 2 different sets of batteries.
09:27:55	LinusN	InternetBoy: linux has ISD200 drivers (thanks to Zagor)
09:28:09	InternetBoy	yup( 2.4+)
09:28:25	InternetBoy	the mac needs drivers but I installd em
09:28:50	LinusN	does it recognize the jukebox at all?
09:28:54	InternetBoy	nope
09:29:21	LinusN	which drivers did you install?
09:29:46	InternetBoy	the ones from archos.com for the recorder on 10.2
09:30:04	InternetBoy	the comp is os x 10.2.4
09:30:39	InternetBoy	man macs suck ass
09:30:53	LinusN	InternetBoy: those are probably just usb2.0 drivers
09:31:31	InternetBoy	thay look to be for USB 1.1 and for a few diff chip sets
09:33:30	LinusN	where?
09:33:53	InternetBoy	the installer says: for ATA and ATAPI support for the Cypress ISD725, ISD200, USD300 USB Bridge Chips
09:34:25	LinusN	ok, then it should work
09:34:26	InternetBoy	As well is SL11RIDE SL11_Combo FX and FX2
09:34:41	LinusN	how old is the driver?
09:35:34	InternetBoy	version 1.4 for OS X 10.2 (but the computer is 10.2.8)
09:35:50	LinusN	i know that the very latest ISDxxx drivers for Windows actually removed the support for ISD200
09:36:00	InternetBoy	thay have diff drivers for 10.1.3, 10.1.4 ext
09:36:50	InternetBoy	the driver is from 2002
09:37:01	Zagor	is it the same as this: http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/9196
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09:39:14	InternetBoy	well nothing is comeing up when I pulg in the Jukebox but I will download it and try it
09:40:07	LinusN	InternetBoy: "nothing is coming" means what exactly?
09:40:21	LinusN	are you sure that the jukebox isn't detected at all?
09:40:44	LinusN	or does the mac refuse to pop up a disk just because the partition table is empty?
09:41:16	InternetBoy	I ran the mac disk program is it dose not show up
09:41:43	InternetBoy	Evan if I put a mac formated disk in the jukebox it will not show up
09:41:52	LinusN	ok
09:42:07	*	LinusN will try this at home some day...
09:43:00	InternetBoy	my JukeBox MM shows up fine(USB 1.1 fat32 formated disk)
09:43:40	InternetBoy	but its hard as shit to change out a hard drive on a jukebox mm
09:44:23	Zagor	the harddrive is not the problem if you can connect it to linux and/or windows
09:45:08	midk	nite
09:45:10	InternetBoy	nope
09:45:11	Zagor	i'm not sure the MM has the same usb chip as your recorder10
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09:45:29	InternetBoy	its diff
09:45:40	InternetBoy	you dont need drivers for the MM
09:47:40	*	LinusN is a novice mac user
09:48:02	LinusN	i only bought it for a s/w devlopment project
09:48:08	*	InternetBoy is a mac noob
09:48:22	LinusN	so i have developed software for it, but i have never really used it :-)
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10:00:51	[IDC]Dragon	Help, I'm a wiki illiterate. How do I create a document?
10:01:01	LinusN	[IDC]Dragon: did you get the function exclusion to work?
10:01:18	[IDC]Dragon	the what?
10:01:54	LinusN	[IDC]Dragon: ignore me, i'm silly
10:02:36	[IDC]Dragon	but I'd still be interested in how to create a wiki doc...
10:02:38	LinusN	note to self: amiconn is not [IDC]Dragon
10:02:45	LinusN	go to the topic
10:02:56	LinusN	and you will be asked to create it if it doesn't exist
10:03:21	LinusN	a wiki topic has upper case for each "word" in it
10:03:25	[IDC]Dragon	too simple to be intuitive
10:03:30	Zagor	we should document that, it's far from obvious
10:03:32	LinusN	for example MyTopic
10:03:42	[IDC]Dragon	yep, got it
10:04:08	LinusN	"someone" should document that :-)
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10:08:10	[IDC]Dragon	thanks, cu later
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10:14:03	Hes	Hmm, how is the 'Recent CVS activity' list generated for the rockbox front page? I'd like to do the same on another CVS archive.
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10:20:20	LinusN	a perl script that parses the cvs logs
10:22:51	Hes	Is the script available in the CVS?
10:23:21	Zagor	no, but somewhere on bagders homepage i think: daniel.haxx.se
10:23:49	Zagor	(best ask bagder)
10:25:00	Zagor	http://daniel.haxx.se/projects/recentcvs/
10:25:24	Hes	Ahh, thank you!
10:26:06	Hes	very nice indeed, my colleagues will enjoy it.
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11:12:41	dd	hello does rockbox is compatible with archos video serie?
11:12:46	LinusN	no
11:12:46	Zagor	no
11:13:17	Bagder	no
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11:13:45	lImbus	no
11:14:44	Zagor	there is some fun stuff on avos.sf.net, but not a full firmware replacement
11:20:11	dd	rockbox is a fool firmware replacement?
11:20:28	dwihno	You betcha!
11:34:54	dd	Is there any french here because t hate english
11:40:46	dd	what is the rockbox language code?
11:40:55	dwihno	Mainly C
11:41:04	dwihno	some SH-1 assembler for misc stuff
11:41:58	dd	SH-1?
11:43:01	dwihno	The processor used in the archos units
11:43:39	dwihno	ARM core
11:44:28	dd	And is there sometimes cataclysm in the code?
11:44:47	dwihno	cataclysm?
11:45:08	dd	is the code contain sometimes bug?
11:45:14	dwihno	No, I'm a catholic ;)
11:45:27	dwihno	Well, the code is more bug free than the archos firmware imho
11:45:32	dwihno	But there are bugs, yes.
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11:56:45	dd	right now i remember
11:56:54	dd	why i m here
11:57:32	dd	how do yo log channel on the web?
11:59:14	dd	or how do i put Mandelbrot on my pc?
11:59:49	dd	because i v got the code under the eyes and i can t do anything
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12:00:35	dd	sorry?
12:04:11	dd	i m downloading 6.15 version of mIRC
12:06:38	dd	where is freenode IRC serveur?
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12:22:19	dd	the network of rockbox is linux based on?or it s simply DNS?
12:22:48	Zagor	dd: the web server runs linux. there is no rockbox network.
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12:33:12	Zagor	dwihno: the sh-1 doesn't have an arm core. the sh-1 is the cpu core
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13:01:01	BlueChip	09:00
13:01:17	BlueChip	sorry, wrong window
13:02:30	[IDC]Dragon	13:02 here
13:03:34	[IDC]Dragon	LinusN, Zagor: r u listening?
13:04:34	Zagor	we're here
13:05:40	[IDC]Dragon	I'm considering to "brush up" the button code
13:05:58	[IDC]Dragon	I know you've been in disagreement, but still...
13:07:04	[IDC]Dragon	Thinking some more about it, we have the analogy to a race condition here
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13:08:21	[IDC]Dragon	we know that with tough luck we can sample a transition as a button level, but ignore it
13:09:00	BlueChip	if you do rejig the code, can you add an inkey$ function ;)
13:09:27	dd	:)
13:10:03	Bagder	inkey$ ?
13:10:07	[IDC]Dragon	Jens suggested a "dead zone" between the button levels. That will make false readings more unlikely, but not eliminate the problem.
13:10:12	Zagor	[IDC]Dragon: we had a guy in here last night who could trigger this pretty easily. before committing anything, send it to him for testing
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13:10:47	[IDC]Dragon	did he leave an email?
13:10:56	Zagor	yes, but I doubt we can find such a dead zone. linus had problems even drawing lines between buttons. i'm pushing him to publish his data in twiki
13:11:09	Zagor	[IDC]Dragon: yes, check last nights log
13:11:15	[IDC]Dragon	that would be very helpful, thanks
13:11:25	[IDC]Dragon	(the data)
13:12:10	dd	the data is in the next room but where is before?
13:12:59	[IDC]Dragon	sound like quantum physics?
13:15:02	dd	yes the arithm�tix of euclide
13:22:40	dd	the fithteen is good now?
13:22:57	Bagder	no sixteen
13:23:08	*	Bagder looks at dd
13:24:51	dd	IS the math�matiques statisticts no good at all?
13:25:04	dwihno	Zagor: Ah. Me and CPU = big mess :D
13:25:05	dd	or it s just for true?
13:25:11	LinusN	dd: what are you talking about?
13:25:14	dwihno	Zagor: I leave that to you guys, and I'll just do interface stuff. Deal? :)
13:25:21	Zagor	dwihno: deal :)
13:25:26	*	Bagder believes dd might be a crazy serial killer
13:26:05	LinusN	a glitch in the matrix
13:26:44	dd	my pc is so late
13:26:55	dd	how can i boost him?
13:27:09	Bagder	press the turbo button
13:27:30	dd	ok i press
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13:27:50	[IDC]Dragon	who was that?
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13:28:40	Zagor	i'm still not sure if it was "who" or "what"
13:28:44	LinusN	amiconn: did you get the function exclusion working?
13:28:51	LinusN	hi btw
13:28:53	Bagder	an AOL user, what can you expect?
13:29:01	LinusN	ah, that explains it
13:29:15	[IDC]Dragon	Hi Jens, I'm late in saying thanks for the voice file updates
13:31:44	[IDC]Dragon	amiconn: don't worry, LinusN asks that to everybody popping in here ;-)
13:33:15	LinusN	:-)
13:33:20	LinusN	i was about to ask dd
13:33:35	LinusN	but somehow he didn't seem to ave a lue
13:33:44	LinusN	have a clue
13:35:02	*	Bagder buys his clues on ebay
13:35:51	dwihno	I just wonder
13:36:01	dwihno	How come the old computers used to have turbo buttons? :)
13:36:05	dwihno	I mean, who would want a slow computer?
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13:39:22	dd	where is turbo link?
13:39:28	BlueChip	power consumption is approximately proportional to the speed of the processor squared ;)
13:40:39	Bagder	dd: http://127.0.0.1/warez
13:41:16	dd	ho sorry i forgot to run opensource
13:41:54	Bagder	dd: what kind of drugs are you on?
13:42:29	dd	where can i built the cheap server for my website?
13:42:44	Bagder	I bet dd is a bot
13:42:45	Zagor	dd: this channel is about rockbox
13:42:51	LinusN	at home?
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13:43:25	Mode	"#rockbox +o logbot " by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se)
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13:43:57	dd	Rockbox is the only firmware for Archos?
13:44:04	Bagder	no
13:44:26	Bagder	I think I recall one made by... eh, was it Archos?
13:44:44	dd	you say that!
13:45:30	dd	you ve got all the archos user firmware
13:46:18	dd	is the donate been cheaper than the work?
13:47:33	LinusN	the donations have paid a few lunches...
13:47:41	Bagder	this is better than M-x psychoanalyze-pinhead ;-)
13:48:36	dd	so it s been cheap
13:48:49	Bagder	rockbox is cheap, yes
13:48:57	Bagder	but worth every penny
13:49:00	dd	it is only on the matrix?
13:49:48	dd	you built a monsters economic budjet so:)
13:50:32	dd	we can t do that because it s not true
13:51:07	dd	programme are gearing our serveur and DNS no?
13:51:43	BlueChip	someone put that bot out of it's embarrasing misery please - LOL
13:52:31	Zagor	dd: rockbox has nothing do to with dns or servers
13:53:45	dd	Rockbox and the banque, where is the RIB where can i give?
13:53:50	LinusN	dd: this is the MP3 player rockbox, not the firewall rockbox
13:55:03	Zagor	"The RockBox [TM] is an off the shelf Dell computer with two network interfaces (NICs) that serves as a gateway/firewall that arbitrates access to a network."
13:55:19	Bagder	aha
13:55:19	dd	so you picked up than a real firewall?
13:55:37	Bagder	still, dd doesn't read
13:55:38	Zagor	dd: this channel is about rockbox.haxx.se, not the firewall
13:57:55	dd	where is the turbo link on my jukebox?
13:59:15	DBUG	sent MODE #rockbox -o+b dd !ju_@*.ipt.aol.com
13:59:15	DBUG	Sent KICK dd to server
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14:03:12	[IDC]Dragon	logbot kicked many people...
14:03:19	Zagor	hehe
14:03:48	*	Bagder bows before logot to be spared
14:03:52	Bagder	logbot
14:04:05	[IDC]Dragon	;-)
14:04:28	[IDC]Dragon	so we're left in the matrix
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14:13:33	dd	i m free
14:13:53	Bagder	go away please
14:14:20	dd	ok i tried another
14:14:39	dd	i help my dad to work
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14:16:10	[IDC]Dragon	LinusN: did you find your button survey?
14:17:31	LinusN	i have it in my PDA
14:17:58	LinusN	but i'll have to copy it at home, because i don't have my synch cable here
14:18:14	[IDC]Dragon	fine, thanks
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14:58:59	amiconn	LinusN: Sorry to answer your question rather late (was away) - I did the function exclusion working, but not completely.#
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15:00:08	amiconn	*did get
15:11:56	Zagor	what is/was missing?
15:17:49	amiconn	The linker garbage collector didn't find _all_ unused functions, some of them were still included
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16:18:47	mattzz	amiconn: r u reading?
16:20:43	amiconn	yup
16:21:14	mattzz	how about adding a column for sound sample in VoiceFiles?
16:21:25	mattzz	in wav or mp3 format, only a small snippet
16:22:39	amiconn	Hmm. Maybe this is a good idea, and I can easily do that for my own contributions, but what about the other voice files?
16:23:05	Zagor	we could simply copy the first x kilobytes from the file
16:24:26	mattzz	that would work? Where is the header?
16:28:41	Zagor	oh, right. forgot that.
16:29:53	mattzz	OK, I added a column
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16:32:50	amiconn	Zagor: the voice files is not in pure mp3 format. Iirc there is a header, two tables, then the individual clips. Additionally the clips are already bitswapped
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16:44:54	Zagor	amiconn: yeah. i wasn't thinking.
16:46:38	Zagor	well, I'll be away for the weekend. happy midsummer everyone.
16:46:39	*	Bagder gets some nice ATA -1 errors :-/
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16:50:09	dd	floopy is the best
16:51:35	dd	i remember duny on playstation
16:51:51	dd	who is work on it?
16:52:13	dd	and who is home?
16:55:13	dd	and info on rockbox?
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17:06:17	dd	sorry?
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17:07:09	dd	do rockbox have a radio on winamp?
17:07:25	dd	or it is a programme?
17:07:52	dd	i bilieve them
17:08:21	dd	whos is elinenbe?
17:10:09	dd	programme or man tell me if rockbox have an winamp radio
17:11:34	dd	i like handball, do you like him?
17:11:43	dd	Tom hanks of course
17:12:17	dd	yes we watch american film in france
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17:15:40	bobill	rockbox player is it a ARM programme or simply based on C
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17:58:21	lImbus	BlueChip: are you in ? Am installing the DevKit v3 you send me these days. got a few notes:
17:58:33	lImbus	Can't find the /DEVKIT/Rockbox.pif
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18:01:13	lImbus	furthermore /DEVKIT/home/rockbox/ is not created (there is only ./guest)
18:02:31	lImbus	I am user guest if I start bash −−login or rockbox.bat
18:03:15	lImbus	The RockBox-DevKit_v30.txt says "7a. === Making a Simluator Build ===" (typo)
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18:13:43	lImbus	but looks nice and works finde
18:13:46	lImbus	-d
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18:43:14	lImbus	amiconn: Since you told me "emergency parks" on the hard disk should not be done too often, I wonder if we could display a small icon within statusbar to show if the harddisk is spinning.
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19:07:40	amiconn	lImbus: For the emergency unload, see e.g. http://www.hitachigst.com/tech/techlib.nsf/techdocs/85256AB8006A31E587256A770052F2E4/$file/t60gh40gn_sp30.pdf , page 29
19:10:07	amiconn	If there is enough room in the status bar, it should be possible to put an icon there, but I doubt that the room is available
19:14:36	hardeep	amiconn: how much of a difference was there in size between splitting the lib into files and using the removal flags?
19:14:42	hardeep	i'm surprised there was any
19:15:57	amiconn	It differed between the plugins using the lib. There was none for grayscale.rock (except that it was 8 bytes smaller due to a change necessary for the splitting).
19:16:16	hardeep	how much did it differ for the plugins?
19:16:41	amiconn	Both mandelbrot.rock and jpeg.rock were a few hundred bytes larger than with the split library
19:17:26	hardeep	were the functions larger or were some extra functions included?
19:17:35	amiconn	Obviously the linker's garbage collector didn't find all unused functions (I looked at the .map files)
19:17:51	hardeep	strange...
19:18:19	hardeep	either way, a few hundred bytes doesn't sound like much for a cleaner setup
19:19:22	amiconn	Imho the split library is the cleaner setup (more maintainable, no single big chunk of code)
19:19:56	amiconn	bbl.
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19:20:11	hardeep	i actually think the opposite, having a single file for individual files seems messy to me
19:20:20	hardeep	er individual functions
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22:49:13	midk	lol
22:49:16	midk	AHAHAHAHAH
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23:06:38	Katz	hey
23:07:14	Katz	could someone give me some info on a car adapter for my rec v2?
23:07:33	midk	yes?
23:07:42	Katz	ok
23:07:55	Katz	first off, i see there is a "car-adapter" mode in rockbox
23:07:58	Katz	what exactly does this do?
23:08:12	Katz	i cant seem to find any documentation on the topic
23:08:33	midk	when power is plugged, then unplugged or cut it pauses the song
23:08:52	Katz	that all?
23:09:26	midk	when restored, back to play mode
23:09:26	midk	yes
23:10:00	Katz	cool
23:10:12	Katz	ok, i ordered a car adapter from newmp3technology
23:10:32	Katz	they make car adapters that supposedly supply correct voltage to ajb's
23:10:42	Katz	anyone tried these before?
23:12:47	midk	no
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