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#rockbox log for 2004-06-30

00:00:01amiconn..to check with different hds (if necessary)
00:00:15LinusNthat's old stuff isn't it?
00:00:41midkLinusN.. i was going to try a countdown... but i gave up. the clock is then free to merg.e
00:01:08amiconnLinusN: I think it is (mine has 0x0302, the only other value I've seen was 0x0102 (for v1), and it seems to be less common
00:02:16LinusNhmm, it's possible that bj?rn has a 0x0102 unit...
00:02:39LinusNhe has, according to my hw survey
00:02:54LinusNso has adiamas
00:03:05amiconnYeah, good! What hd does BjŲrn have?
00:03:58LinusNtoshiba iirc
00:04:07amiconnUpgraded, I suppose?
00:04:19LinusNi have a dk23DA drive, but afaik only the CA has probs, right?
00:05:02amiconnIt seems so, but since it is an older Hitachi.. maybe it is a good idea to check it in conjunction with 0x0102 recorder
00:05:30amiconn(if using the ajbrec-fast build gives Pedro problems, that is)
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00:06:10amiconnPerhaps it could also help to track down the rld problem ... btw, do you get rld's?
00:06:43LinusNpedro should try an older version of rockbox with ATA optimizations, just to see that the problem still exists
00:07:12LinusNi can provoke rld's on my FM with the DA drive, if i shake it like hell
00:07:17amiconnYes, that was the second suggestion of mine ... I compiled a build as of cvs 2004-02-01 (with gcc 3.0.4)
00:09:19amiconnPretty old stuff btw. - no "make zip" - grr
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00:12:39dstargood bye
00:12:45midkseeya dids
00:12:47amiconnbye dstar
00:12:56midkLinusN, isn't that because your ata access is delayed?
00:13:08midki heard that after X seconds if no ata access happens it goes into rld.
00:13:56amiconnLinusN: If you remember, I could a rld-like effect with mandelbrot.rock when there was no yield() in it and I kept it busy recalculating
00:14:09amiconn*I could provoke
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00:14:54LinusNi don't remember
00:16:21amiconnWhat I did:
00:16:28amiconn(1) Start some music
00:16:39amiconn(2) Start mandelbrot.rock
00:17:34amiconn(3) Zoom in a bit (good: the black area, since there it does loop until max_iter), and increase max_iter a bit (with f2)
00:18:18amiconn(4) Keep it busy by pressing left/right/left/right .. a number of times. The button queue helps here
00:19:09amiconnWhen it comes to load the next chunk, keep it busy still. After some more time -> silent play.
00:19:29LinusNisn't that because you starved the bitswapping?
00:19:38amiconnIf you then leave mandelbrot.rock, sometimes it recovers after a minute or so, and sometimes not
00:20:51amiconnLinusN: Yes, but this _looks_ very similar to rld...
00:21:33amiconnI think rld is causes by the disk not answering to a command, so Rockbox waits forever
00:22:51LinusNthe disk stays BSY forever, yes
00:26:05amiconnHow long (according to the specs) does Rockbox have to wait (minimum) before a reset & retry?
00:27:05LinusNactually, the specs don't mention such a situation
00:28:47LinusNgotta get some sleep, cu tomorrow
00:28:52LinusNnite
00:28:52midknite linusn
00:28:54midkclock.
00:28:56midk*cough
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01:58:11midkhey scott
01:58:18scott666hey
01:58:22scott666hows clockbox
01:58:28midkdone.
01:58:32midkmore or less
01:58:34midkstill called clock.
01:58:43scott666then its not done
01:58:44scott666heh
01:58:50midkPAHAHAHAHAHAH
01:58:52midk*cough
01:59:00midklinusN thinks it may be more confusing for new uesrs
01:59:03midkusers*
01:59:04midkWAIT
01:59:12midkwhat if in the clock it was referred to as clockbox
01:59:15midkbut just clock.rock
01:59:27midkor... fuck it. the logo is clockbox, that's enough.
01:59:32scott666yeah
01:59:48scott666...stupid newbs
02:00
02:00:23scott666am i still in the credits for conceptual/moral support or whatever?
02:00:26midkLOL
02:00:28midkyeah.
02:00:31scott666sweet
02:00:50midklol.. scott: design, moral suprt
02:01:17scott666heh
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02:57:27midkmmmm
02:57:34midkmust have clock merged
02:57:38midk*looks around
02:57:55midkaha.. hardeep has commit priveleges
02:58:01midk*slips hardeep a twenty
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04:33:01hardeepmidk: what did you want me to commit?
04:33:10midkmy clock update :D
04:33:15midkit's done - linus didn't seem to care
04:33:44hardeepokay
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06:44:25Elementalisthello?
06:44:34Elementalistis anyone there?
06:45:09Elementalist?
06:47:14Elementalisti was copying songs from my computer onto my jukebox recorder and i restarted my computer and now my jukebox is stuck saying "ARCHOS Jukebox Recorder"
06:47:42ElementalistThe red light seems to be permanently on and nothing responds, i can't even turn it off
06:47:58Elementalistand it doesn't show up as being connected on my computer
06:49:37Elementalisti don't even remember what version rockbox software i have on it and now i can't access that information anyways
06:49:41Elementalist2. something
06:49:50Elementalistif anyone can help, please send an e-mail to redragonzdeath@yahoo.com
06:49:55Elementalistthx
06:50:11Elementalist*goes and hopes that it will work once the batteries finally drain and are recharged*
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06:57:15midkhi linusn
06:59:36LinusNhi
06:59:51LinusNclock update!!! \o/
07:00
07:00:23midkyay
07:00:26midktime for the wiki
07:00:27midk*sighs
07:00:32midki dont get the formatting of it
07:00:35midk−−-+ is like a table
07:00:36midkuy.
07:00:47midkhmm what did hardeep do to fix the sim build?
07:00:49LinusN−−-+ is a headline
07:00:59midkohh
07:01:03midkyeah i dunno
07:01:06midkis there a page on formatting it?
07:01:32LinusNthe problem with the sim was that you declared a variable in the middle of the code, not allowed in C
07:01:55midki don't see what was wrong with done=false; though
07:02:00LinusNmidk: when you edit a wiki page, there is a link at the bottom, TextFormattingRules
07:02:54midkk ty
07:03:26LinusNmidk: the "done=false" was the same thing, you executed code before the "int cursorpos" declaration
07:03:40midkoh.
07:03:43midksucky!
07:04:38midkyay i'm in the ircnicks
07:04:47midkjust like scott666
07:09:48midkWIKIWIKI
07:11:11midkhey awesom
07:11:12midke.
07:11:24midkgo wik.
07:11:26midki.
07:12:27LinusNI'm not a native english speaker, but don't you say "In any mode" instead of "At any mode"?
07:12:44midkeither would work i guess.
07:13:11midkfor some reason at any mode sounds better, but in any mode i suppose is more correct
07:17:08LinusNgreat work on the clock, dude
07:17:14LinusNlooks really nice
07:17:46midkthanks! :)
07:17:53LinusNi think there should be a visual indication that the counter is running
07:17:55midki feel glad to have it done.
07:18:04midki was going to have it flash when it was paused actually..
07:18:10midker
07:18:13midkthat is distracting
07:18:19midksince it is probably not used more than it is used.
07:18:27midkOH WAIT
07:18:30LinusNand i can't reset it without startin/stopping it at the same time
07:18:46midkwhat od you mean?
07:19:06LinusNif i stop it and then hold f2 to reset it, it starts counting
07:19:11midkfor visual indicator, maybe draw a box around it or invert the whole area it shows up in (while it's counting)
07:19:33midkoh.. i tried to fix that but it didn't work
07:19:41midkhow might you fix it?
07:20:08LinusNnot sure
07:20:18LinusNyou *could* stop it on button-up
07:20:20midki've always had trouble with key combinations
07:20:21LinusNstart/stop
07:20:38midkbutton-up?
07:21:11midkup is already in use if that's what you meant
07:21:27LinusNlet's say you act on BUTTON_F2|BUTTON_REL
07:21:54LinusNthat is, it starts/stops when you release the key
07:22:15midki did that
07:22:18midkit screwed up the whole thing
07:22:31LinusNhow?
07:22:37midkit only reset when it was going, and it still had a bug where it would go when it was reset.
07:23:07midkwhat were the three "button modifiers"? button_rel, button_repeat...
07:23:12LinusNi *want* to be able to reset it and keep it running
07:23:16midkor was there only two.
07:23:25midkyes, but you cannot reset it when it's stopped in that case
07:23:32midkat least i thought... you could give it a show.
07:23:33LinusNyes i can
07:23:33midkshot*
07:23:43LinusNdo like this:
07:23:45midkok, then, go ahead and implement it
07:24:14LinusN1) on BUTTON_F2|BUTTON_REPEAT set a flag, saying button_f2_held = true
07:24:49LinusNalso reset the counter
07:24:54midkah. yeah.
07:24:57midkif that is true
07:25:01midkdon't modify the counter
07:25:09midk's start/stop sttatus,
07:25:14midkstatus*
07:25:15LinusN2) on BUTTON_F2|BUTTON_REL, only start/stop if the flag is false
07:25:27midkif it is true, set it to false and ignore the keypress.
07:25:29LinusNand clear tha flag
07:25:30midkcorrect?
07:25:38LinusNyup
07:25:43midktha.. lol :)
07:25:46midkcan you do that or must i?
07:25:51LinusNi can do it
07:25:55midkok, thanks
07:26:14midkjust a small amount of work but then i'd have to email it or send it and you'd have to get it.. whereas you could simply add in the few lines needed and merge.
07:26:27midkoh, can you bump the version number to 2.2?
07:26:39LinusNyou want CVS access, to be able to update your stuff?
07:26:52midk*heart beats fast
07:27:05midki'm not sure how to use it. but if i knew how, surely!
07:27:11midkyes also the version numbers need to be changed
07:27:15midkmaybe 2.21.
07:57:14LinusNdammit, my f2 key broke *again* :-(
07:58:28midkfm?
07:58:32midkof course.
07:58:36LinusNof course
07:58:43midk:]
07:58:46midki hate that
07:58:49midksuperglue works!
07:58:50LinusNshitty plastic crap
07:59:00LinusNyeah, i have fixed it once
07:59:06midkyes.. my f3 broke SO OFTEN i finally just gave in and kept it in pieces
07:59:18midkit was fun - you hold the left side of the key and press hard on the right
07:59:27midkeventually you will crack your pcb - but it is fun while it lasts.
07:59:32LinusNtypical, in the middle of testing the f2 counter code :-)
08:00
08:00:23midki should add a disclaimer: "Any key problems, hardware malfunctions (arising from frustration or otherwise) are in no way midk's fault; you can blame LinusN for merging the update."
08:01:39LinusNi just committed it, try it
08:01:54midki can't right now.
08:02:25LinusNi also changed it so you only need to change the version in one place
08:02:37midkdont touch anything else
08:02:40midklast time you BROKE IT
08:02:42midki don't trust you
08:02:42midk.
08:02:46midkperiod.
08:03:04LinusN:-)
08:03:30midki'm so proud of my 2300-something lines of code for a stupid little clock.
08:03:49midkit's such a rip off it's almost worth it
08:03:53LinusNbut it looks really good
08:04:03midki mean, i've added like 10kb to the daily download zip!
08:04:04LinusNkind of...polished
08:04:13midksoon i will commit some code that will add another 5kb
08:04:18midkuntil dialup users cannot download it
08:04:25midk*evil laugh
08:07:11midkoo.. did i just reveal my plan for worl−−- er, rockbox domination?
08:07:24midkThat Was Just a Drill
08:07:34midkTo See Your Response In Case Someone Did Do Something like That.
08:11:07LinusN:-)
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08:31:40midkoops
08:31:43midktypo in your name
08:31:45midksorry about that
08:47:35midkOH OH OH
08:47:37midkOH!
08:47:41midkGENIUS IDEA COMING ON!
08:47:45midk*gets pen and pad
08:48:52midkwps-like configs for a custom clock screen.
08:49:17midkthere would be a sixth mode, custom, loading /.rockbox/rocks/custom_clock_display or whatever
08:49:27midkwhere %H is hour, %W is weekday
08:49:28midketc
08:49:41dwihnomidk: While you're at it, can you make it order pizza? ;)
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08:53:59LinusNmidk: i have a much better idea
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08:58:12midkhaha dwihno :)
08:58:15midkLinusN, ?
08:58:18midkhye bagder
08:58:19midkhey*
08:58:22Bagdermorning
08:58:37LinusNmidk: i think you should write a WPS editor plugin
08:59:04midkthere is a java wps editor..
08:59:06midkOH but
08:59:12midkYEAH i SUBMITTED A FEATURE REQUEST FOR THAT
08:59:23midki may be able to do it now :D
08:59:24Bagdernow now
08:59:29Bagderno shouting in the morning
08:59:32Bagder;-)
08:59:32midki mean
08:59:41midki submitted a feature request for that.
08:59:45midknotice the perioud
08:59:53midkit was hard to refrain from exclamationpointing it, but..
09:00
09:05:35LinusNsuch feature requests generally gets "show me the code" as an answer
09:06:20midklol
09:06:28Zagormidk: there is a java wps editor? where?
09:06:37midkbod made it...
09:06:38BagderI remember there was one
09:06:59Zagorgimme gimme gimme :)
09:07:04midkjust a moment here
09:07:08midki can try to locate it
09:07:29midkaha!
09:08:12midkoh
09:08:14midkhe took it down?
09:09:52midkah. not here.
09:09:55midksorry sirs.
09:10:36Bagdermove along, notthing to see here
09:10:43midki mean
09:10:46Zagorboo :(
09:10:47midksorry sirs and captain.
09:23:02Bagderlibcurl binding number 24 added
09:23:23Bagderthat's an insane amount
09:23:37midkyay.
09:29:17Zagorwhat's the latest?
09:29:28Bagdera wxWidgets one
09:30:38BagderI guess all the weird scripting languages are covered now
09:30:41Bagder;-)
09:30:52Bagderlike Q, Gambas and so on
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10:24:48midkNOO
10:25:09hardeepyesss
10:25:32midknope.
10:26:11midkoh NOOO
10:26:20midki KNEW that would happen.
10:26:28hardeepyep, me too
10:26:38midki completed pluginclock but i closed firefox, thus erasing my work
10:26:44midkhardeep: yah.
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10:53:13Bagdermidk: now you learned that it hurts to do wrong! ;-)
10:55:45midkha ha. :(
10:55:49midk*gets back to writing it again
10:56:57Zagornow you learned not to use silly integradet development environment. had you used emacs, your file would be saved.
10:57:16Bagderediting wikis in emacs isn't easy
10:57:32Bagderunless you browse using emacs
10:57:35Zagoroh, was it wiki. ignore me then :)
10:58:01midkhaha :D
10:58:36Bagder'M-x doctor' for you ;-)
11:00
11:01:16midkyou know what
11:01:20dwihno:P
11:01:22dwihnovim vim vim
11:01:22midki may have to implement settings file loading.
11:01:38midki think i used emacs and vim before... i think i liked vim better.
11:01:46dwihnogvim gvim gvim ;)
11:01:49midknoo.
11:01:50Bagderfools
11:01:56Bagder:-)
11:04:22midkhaha.. you are the only fool here.
11:04:28Bagderdarn
11:04:33*Bagder feels lonely
11:06:00midki still love you.
11:06:03midkfool.
11:06:04Bagderhehe
11:06:46hardeepi think i'm going to cry
11:07:13midkaw, why?
11:07:18midki love you too.
11:07:18hardeepall the love
11:07:20midki love you all.
11:07:38midkok even if i was lying.. its the text that counts right? :)
11:08:08midkcan i upload clock screenies to the site or what
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11:08:50midkwhoever made this:
11:08:51midkhttp://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/pub/Main/CustomMenus/quickmenu.bmp
11:08:58midk..i am laughing at,
11:10:49midkhaha
11:10:51midk6/18
11:10:52midk200
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11:11:04lImbushi alll
11:11:14midkyo lImbus
11:11:14Bagderhi lImbus
11:11:28midkupdated PluginClock twiki.
11:11:33midkbut need to take screenshots of updated.
11:11:45midkbtw... is there a simple way of taking screenshots of it in linux?
11:11:55midkfor example, numpad 0 or something
11:12:00midkto dump a screenshot of it to disk?
11:12:07midkor do i have to take it and crop it manually?
11:12:30BagderI used gimp
11:12:57midkwhat exactly did you do?
11:13:11midki see you cropped it so there is some green around top/right edges.
11:13:11Bagderthere's an option in gimp to "aquire" a window
11:13:16midkhmm, reboot to linux. brb.
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11:16:12midkok then
11:16:14midksec here
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11:19:45midkwtf.
11:19:52midkrockboxui: permission denied?
11:20:19Bagderuh
11:20:24midkwaitwait
11:20:31midki got this
11:20:31midki think
11:21:00midkhm no i don't
11:26:57Bagderfood time!
11:27:03midknoo
11:27:04midkwait
11:27:05midkhellllps
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11:44:30midkhey amiconn
11:44:32amiconnOogabooga ;)
11:44:37midk:)
11:44:43midk*plays with y'z dock/
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11:58:25amiconnLinusN: Pedro's latest mail sounds even more promising concerning the fast ata routines...
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12:49:45LinusNamiconn: yes, looks really promising
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13:35:39mattzzHi amiconn, remember my grayscale blues?
13:40:30LinusNbluescales! cool!
13:40:44Bagder:-O
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13:41:12Zagorthe neuros is a whopping 13.4 cm tall
13:41:22LinusNuh
13:41:27Bagdergah
13:42:04dwihnoNeato! :D
13:42:08dwihnoThe bigger the better \o/
13:42:29Zagorand the gcc port is only binutils, not 'gcc'
13:42:43Bagderha
13:42:49Zagordsp programming in assembler only. fun for the whole family! ;)
13:43:02Bagderindeedo
13:43:19dwihnoZagor: are you talking about "OpenNeuros" (or whatever it's called)?
13:43:29Bagderyes
13:43:39Bagderthey talk about a gcc port nowadays
13:43:44Zagorwe got a request for help from Neuros
13:43:56Bagderplease
13:44:04Zagorwell, an invitation rather
13:44:04Bagder"please write our software for free"
13:44:08Bagder:-)
13:44:11dwihno:)
13:44:29Zagorwell I wouldn't quite put it that way.
13:44:38Bagdernah, I'm being evil
13:44:39dwihnoPlease h4x0r our dal-MAS? :)
13:45:07Zagorno mas, no isd. it's all done in lovely dsp software...
13:45:20dwihnowhoa
13:45:27Zagorthey are using TI's rtos
13:45:39dwihnoand they want a rockbox port?
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13:45:47dwihnoor what did they ask/say?
13:46:01Zagornot explicitly, but they are inviting us to come hack on it
13:46:42dwihnoNeat. I wish Archos did the same.
13:46:49Zagoryeah
13:47:00dwihnoand helped you out with mas datasheets
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13:58:07LinusNdwihno: i don't think archos has the mas data sheets either
13:58:19LinusNor rather "programming manual"
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14:11:05dwihnothere is no spoon? :)
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14:24:00amiconnmattzz: Do you still have problems running grayscale plugins?
14:26:12mattzzamiconn: nope, I ran home the other day to do a fresh cvs update & compile - and guess what....
14:27:53amiconnIt worked?
14:28:20mattzzamiconn: Yup. BUT: The only difference was the build environment - I have no idea why it worked at home and not on my PC at work
14:28:45mattzzamiconn: and BC had the same effect. Strange, isn't it?
14:32:00amiconnmattzz: Do sh-elf-gcc -v and tell me the output
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14:32:36mattzzamiconn: on cygwin?
14:33:35amiconnyup
14:33:50mattzzSimTime,signed(hor_mv_expr),signed(vert_mv_expr)
14:33:57mattzzoops
14:34:07Zagorunusual compiler version :)
14:34:15mattzzdammned terminalserver.....
14:35:46mattzz$ sh-elf-gcc.exe -v
14:35:47mattzzReading specs from /opt/sh1/lib/gcc-lib/sh-elf/3.3.1/specs
14:35:47mattzzConfigured with: ../../gcc-3.3.1-3/configure −−target=sh-elf −−prefix=/opt/sh1 −−enable-language=c −−disable-nls
14:35:47DBUGEnqueued KICK mattzz
14:35:47mattzzThread model: single
14:35:47mattzzgcc version 3.3.1 (cygming special)
14:36:35amiconnThis is the one that gave you non-working grayscale plugins?
14:37:08mattzzyup
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14:38:32mattzzre, sorry
14:44:43mattzzargh, gotta leave. c u l8er
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15:12:33Zagori got a response from motorola about downloading their code.
15:12:54Zagor"What quantity of each device do you estimate you will need for your first
15:12:54Zagor year's
15:12:54Zagorproduction?"
15:13:12Bagderhehe
15:13:18Bagder10000!
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15:25:08dwihnoZagor: production of ... ?
15:25:20dwihnoOr are you pulling of a Arne Weise? :)
15:25:52Zagorthey assume anyone who cares about their products wants to manufacture stuff
15:27:00dwihnoah
15:27:01dwihnookay
15:27:15dwihnoI started thinking if you guys have been thinking about designing your OWN rockbox device
15:27:44LinusNseveral times
15:27:56dwihnoWhat has been stopping you?
15:28:06LinusNthere is basically no point
15:28:29LinusNwe don't have the resources to pull off a big hardware manufacturing
15:28:50LinusNand not many people will buy it, so the user base will be extremely small
15:29:51dwihno:/
15:30:12dwihnoHow about contacting some taiwanese corporation?
15:33:36LinusNi think the user base problem is reason enough to not do it
15:35:17LinusNhttp://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/ScreenDump
15:36:37Bagdercaptain LinusN rocks the bmp scene!
15:36:49dwihnoCool!
15:37:04dwihnoIt works with greyscale as well? :)
15:37:12Bagder[g]
15:37:28LinusNdwihno: go away
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15:38:01LinusNstill, someone will try it
15:38:06dwihno:)
15:38:10Bagderyou bet
15:38:10dwihnoI love you too!
15:38:40LinusNi think the grayscale API could offer a screendump function...
15:39:25scott666thatd be cool
15:39:46LinusNjust don't expect me to do it...
15:40:27LinusNTODO: player simulator
15:49:36LinusNtime to go home
15:49:39LinusNcu around
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15:49:52*Bagder waves... too late
15:50:46dwihnoI want to go home too! :(
15:50:48dwihnoHow unfair :)
15:51:48Bagderwhen you've committed your screen dump, you can go too :-)
15:53:51dwihno:D
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15:55:05wilerfinding a supported recorder is getting more difficult, anyone know of good resources? i have been looking for a good while and been unsuccessful.archos no longer sells supported recorders is this correct?
15:55:29dwihnoerhm
15:55:36dwihnoNo?
15:55:40dwihnoThey still sell them
15:55:47dwihnoWe call them V2 recorders
15:56:11wilerV2 recorders
15:56:37wilerokay
15:56:50wilerwhat does archos call them?
15:56:59dwihnothose "new" AVxxx and "Multimedia" units are unsupported though
15:57:00Bagderrecorder v2
15:57:04dwihnoas well a the gmini
15:57:16Zagorgosh, their website still lists the jukebox 6000!
15:57:58wilerhmm
15:57:59Bagderwiler http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/devicechart.html
15:58:13wileri thought the gmini was unsupported as they use different processor, etc?
15:58:14Zagoractually I can't find the recorder v2 though.
15:58:19Zagorwiler: correct
15:59:47wileron archos.com where should i click?
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16:00:11wilerall i see is the gmini stuff when i click on products
16:00:38Zagori also only find gmini, studio and ondio
16:01:27wilerall of which are unsupported, correct?
16:01:34Bagderthe studio is
16:01:39Zagorstudio is supported, but does not have recording
16:01:42Bagderbut it's a bit crude
16:02:36wilerahhh, i definitely need recording features
16:03:12Bagderbased on other people comments, it seems ebay is one of the last resorts to find recorders on
16:03:48wileri looked at ebay but my problem is that most of them are well used and i need something durable
16:03:57wilerbut i will have another look
16:06:09Zagorfound an fm recorder here: http://www.compuplus.com/insidepage.php3?id=1000489
16:06:29Zagorbut they truly seem hard to find
16:07:20dwihnoBagder: second hand recorders = bad?
16:07:30Zagorgosh, they even sell the ancient travel kit with the remote
16:07:54wilerdepends on how/what they were used for
16:07:59Bagderdwihno: I wouldn't say so in general
16:13:42dwihnoah
16:14:29wilergood source
16:14:44wilerthanks for finding that
16:14:52Zagornp
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16:43:54wilerwowy still $279
16:44:01wiler;)
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17:03:34dstar5midk|sleep, see you tomorrow sometime!
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17:37:12jorbond2wow i really hate archos now
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17:37:29Zagorjorbond: ?
17:37:43jorbondwell i am on my second jukebox
17:37:55jorbondand i was walking and it dropped and now it wont boot
17:38:07jorbondhdd error
17:38:18jorbondand if i connect it by usb it crashes my computer
17:38:28jorbondim pretty sure the 2ft fall broke the hard drive
17:39:15Zagorwell, archos doesn't make the drive you know :)
17:39:44jorbondyeah but they caused the last one to break :)
17:40:11jorbondhow much is a new hard drive for one of these
17:41:52Zagordepends on size, of course. they start at around $100 I think.
17:42:00jorbondoucg
17:42:29Zagori haven't looked in a while though, they could be at $50 for all I know :)
17:42:33jorbondi need to buy me another smaller mp3 player too
17:42:41jorbondone of those 128meg ones for running
17:43:05Zagorjust pick one of the 400 available ;)
17:44:01jorbondyeah, is iriver good
17:44:09jorbondi like their design and its chea
17:44:10jorbondp
17:46:43Zagori don't know anything about flashbased players
17:47:31jorbondok
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18:28:29jusyes
18:28:42jushello
18:29:40juswhat is dumps?
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18:30:25Zagori thought that was you
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18:31:14midki wish logbot would talk to me when i talk to him.
18:31:40Zagorhe is less shy in private chat
18:32:07midki know
18:32:08midklol
18:32:12midk*tests logobot
18:32:50midkyay, i learned that Zagor scares little children today!
18:33:35DDsoory i m french, what are scares?
18:33:43midkfrightens
18:34:01DD?
18:34:07midkterrifies.
18:34:12DDa yes
18:34:20DDcause nirvanna is not here
18:34:28DDi m in the trus wiki
18:34:49midkhey.. screen dump?
18:34:51midkYAY
18:34:55midkdid he really do it.
18:35:14midker... does it work on sim?
18:35:15midkwhat does it do?
18:35:43midkoh it's on the wiki
18:36:09midkAWE SOME
18:36:22DDdump
18:36:33midksave a screenshot.
18:36:33DDis screenshot plug in?
18:36:39midkno, built into the archos/sim
18:36:46DDwhat are sim?
18:36:49DDprg?
18:36:50midksimulator.
18:37:27DDi m going to run my rockbox
18:37:36DDsoory i can t stay on mIRC
18:39:23DDor tell me sim
18:39:38DDcan we listen radio on?
18:40:10Zagorno, the simulator only shows the screen
18:43:19midkZagor, is there a way to upload screenshots to the wiki?
18:44:59Zagorsure, just convert them to gifs first
18:47:08midkthen how?
18:48:23midkoh.. attach?
18:48:28Zagoryes
18:48:43midkokay
18:48:47midkthank you
18:55:47midkum
18:55:55midkthe win32 sim seems to be not working?
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19:05:02midkhi hardeeo
19:05:05midkhardeep*
19:05:10hardeepheya
19:05:26midkany idea what's wrong with win32sim?
19:05:34hardeepit's not working?
19:05:52midknot that i can tell...
19:06:01midknot as far as i can tell*
19:06:16Zagorlinus modified it when adding the screenshot feature. maybe something broke then.
19:06:22Zagorwhat's wrong with it?
19:06:25midkyes, it may be the button code
19:06:34midkno buttons work and it sticks at the start screen
19:06:38midkshows the rockbox logo.
19:07:18hardeepit needs an "archos" directory
19:07:23midkohk
19:09:14hardeepyeah, it's still working for me.
19:09:58midkah there it goes
19:10:13midkit used to just go to the C: drive even if there was an archos dir
19:10:15midkappears to be fixed?
19:10:37hardeepyeah, linus changed that a couple of weeks ago
19:11:24midki don't like the fact that it sort of hides behind an open window
19:11:30midkand there is no button on the taskbar for it.
19:12:00hardeepheh, yeah, that's annoying.
19:14:41midkumm
19:14:47midkthere's a tetris.rock in here
19:15:18midkas well as a rockblox.
19:15:20midkboth work.
19:15:40hardeepin where?
19:16:01midkwin32sim rock zip.
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19:23:33hardeeplooks like it's just a relic from before (last updated 6/14/04)
19:25:58midkwell..
19:26:02midkmaybe it should be removed
19:26:09midkthat's all
19:31:21midkoh
19:31:25midkanyone got a target around?
19:31:29midkzagor? hardeep?
19:34:37midkdarn you zagor.
19:34:48midkyou said gif.. i should use png
19:35:38hardeepa target?
19:36:57midkrecorder?
19:37:01midkthe real thing
19:37:12Zagormidk: png is fine too
19:37:52hardeepmidk: sure, i have a recorder
19:38:07midkzagor: my gifs had white sepcks.
19:38:22midkhardeep - could you try the clock update and check to make sure the credits works?
19:38:30midkthere should be 12 people credited in all iirc.
19:38:37midkthe sim only shows the first one; me.
19:39:16midkhow to delete old screenshots
19:39:23Zagormidk: which program did you use to convert the image?
19:39:38midkpaint.
19:40:25Zagoropting for quality software, I hear :)
19:40:40hardeepmidk: it only shows you in credits
19:40:46hardeep(looks really good btw)
19:40:48midkLOl.
19:40:51midkthank you.
19:40:54midkhm someone broke something!
19:41:00midk*narrows eyes
19:49:46midkok put up screenshots
19:50:52midkZagor, btw.. photoshop decided to open them in monochrome, so the backlight was nonexistant
19:50:52midki did not like that.
19:50:52midkwell i did, but..
19:52:55Zagorhow come the hands of the analog clock varies in length over time? is that intentional?
19:53:16midkfullscreen you mean?
19:53:21midkanalog i don't think they do
19:53:29midkthey may slightly but only to reach to the border
19:53:36Zagorbtw, 30.06.2004 is not what I'd call european date format
19:53:43Zagoryeah, i mean fullscreen
19:54:05midkstretching hands: i had that planned
19:54:06midkand
19:54:10Zagorok
19:54:17midk30.06.2004 is not european?
19:54:26midk*glares at amiconn
19:55:20Zagormaybe amiconn uses it, but at least in sweden we prefer ISO 8601 format: 2004-06-30
19:56:02midkfee; free to update
19:56:11midkbut don't touch anything else; it is prone to breaking
19:56:18Zagorhehe
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23:36:47T^JulioVegaany
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23:44:39T^JulioVegahallo?
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