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09:06:54 | IcedDog | has anyone upgraded their AJB hard drive? Thinking of replacing my 20GB with a 40GB |
09:07:02 | IcedDog | getting kinda full ;) |
09:16:38 | midk | yes, you can |
09:16:55 | midk | it's on the rockbox page. |
09:17:32 | IcedDog | I figured I'd use that tutorial... http://www2.funmp3players.com/reviews/modify/ |
09:18:09 | IcedDog | been searching for a replacement HD...think I found a suitable one |
09:19:14 | IcedDog | Hitachi DK23DA-40F...not sure if it's FAT32 though |
09:19:29 | IcedDog | do most of those drives come as NTFS? |
09:20:12 | midk | no, they come 'unformatted' |
09:21:02 | IcedDog | I see...what's the best way to format it? |
09:21:29 | midk | windows? |
09:21:41 | midk | oh |
09:21:42 | midk | um |
09:21:43 | midk | yeah |
09:22:57 | IcedDog | more details please...bit of a newb when it comes to this ;) |
09:23:44 | IcedDog | do I have to open up my desktop and connect the HD somehow? |
09:24:33 | midk | ok no, here's what you do |
09:24:44 | midk | purchase the hard drive... then you have to put it in the archos |
09:24:50 | midk | there are numerous tutorials on the web for it |
09:24:59 | midk | when it's all installed you plug in USB and then power on |
09:25:11 | midk | you can go to usb from archos f/w, and you can format it from there |
09:25:59 | IcedDog | ahh...ok...I thought I had to format it before I installed |
09:26:18 | IcedDog | so it will at least boot up without being formatted then? |
09:27:57 | midk | it should, if you plug in usb first. |
09:28:36 | IcedDog | nice...thanks for the info bro! |
09:32:03 | midk | np |
09:35:29 | IcedDog | I'll let you know how it turns out...lol |
09:37:03 | midk | yay |
09:37:05 | midk | come back soon |
09:38:25 | IcedDog | will do..laters |
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09:52:10 | scott666 | wait. he's not capable of installing a HD in his 'desktop' but he IS capable of installing it in his archos? |
09:52:30 | midk | right.. |
09:52:34 | midk | that's because laptop hdds are smaller |
09:52:56 | scott666 | well yeah but theres adapters |
09:53:32 | scott666 | he kind of lost my benefit of doubt by asking if drives come NFTS |
09:53:46 | scott666 | *NTFS |
09:53:50 | midk | haha.. i was sort of thinking the same thing |
09:54:55 | scott666 | also youd think that if he didnt know how to FORMAT a drive, he wouldnt be able to install one in an archos |
09:56:21 | midk | calm down scottey |
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16:06:23 | oxygen77 | is the rtc chip from St used in rockbox? |
16:07:09 | lImbus | let's see the high-res-pictures |
16:07:32 | lImbus | oh well, you mean if the chip is used by the software ? |
16:07:35 | lImbus | yes, it is. |
16:08:22 | lImbus | it's used for time-purposes as well as storing some settings (resuming for example, as it changes a lot and quickly) |
16:08:48 | lImbus | then, if you modify the hardware a small bit, you can let you wake up |
16:09:01 | oxygen77 | k, I'm working on avos project |
16:09:12 | oxygen77 | and we have the same chip in it |
16:09:19 | oxygen77 | do you know how it is accessed |
16:09:20 | oxygen77 | ? |
16:09:45 | lImbus | nope |
16:09:52 | oxygen77 | k |
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16:10:27 | lImbus | maybe you can check the code. settings.c may be a good starting point, then gooing deeper |
16:10:53 | oxygen77 | do you know if there is some kind of i2c driver in rockbox? |
16:11:44 | lImbus | no idea |
16:11:59 | lImbus | I suppose there has to be, but I don't know |
16:12:05 | oxygen77 | k |
16:12:13 | oxygen77 | thx anyway |
16:12:40 | lImbus | np. looking if there is a i2c.c somewhere |
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16:16:50 | lImbus | oxygen77, there is: http://rockbox.haxx.se/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/firmware/drivers/i2c.c?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/plain |
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16:17:14 | oxygen77 | thx |
16:17:54 | oxygen77 | it seems to be related to MAS |
16:18:37 | oxygen77 | I've seen that the communication with the MAS is done by i2c |
16:18:58 | oxygen77 | what is strange is that on the av you also have access to battery metter and rtc using i2c |
16:18:59 | lImbus | sorry, I'm not that hardware-techie to understand those details :-/ |
16:19:09 | oxygen77 | same from me |
16:19:23 | oxygen77 | but as I'm almost alone on the project ... |
16:19:45 | lImbus | ohh. |
16:19:52 | * | lImbus mental notes that nick |
16:20:13 | oxygen77 | :) |
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18:38:36 | NeoBoy | hi there, is anyone alive here this time of day |
18:38:47 | wiler | okay so i am using a v1 recorder have the quality set to 5, source is microphone and it worked for the firs tfile but when i tried to record a second file it appeared to work but then when i stopped the recording no file was generated on the drive |
18:39:10 | wiler | i am using july10 version |
18:39:28 | wiler | yeah i am |
18:39:51 | BC | only thing I can think of, is if you powered it off before it had a chance to close the file? |
18:40:30 | NeoBoy | Maybe you guys can help me - my recorder seems to completely discharge the batteries during the charge cycle, instead of charging them... |
18:40:46 | NeoBoy | does this sound like anything common? I just used brand new batteries |
18:40:49 | wiler | well the only thing i am doing is stopping recording, then i am plugging into usb to move the file off |
18:41:01 | BC | are you charging with Archos of Rockbox firmware? |
18:41:27 | NeoBoy | I can't get rockbox firmware up because i can't get a full charge at this point :( I have archos 1.29d |
18:41:33 | BC | wiler: sorry dude, not really my area :( |
18:41:35 | wiler | and it seems i need to hit the poweroff button to stop recording |
18:41:55 | wiler | ahhh okay |
18:42:00 | BC | hitting and holding power off are two different things |
18:42:19 | BC | i read this on the mailing list once |
18:42:21 | wiler | right if i just touch poweroff recording stops |
18:42:45 | BC | then wait until the hdd spins down to be on the (overly) safe side |
18:43:08 | BC | wiler: if you can come up with a set of direction that will make my unit do the same thing we could be on to a winner |
18:43:37 | BC | NeoBoy: if the archos f/w is draining the battery then it is not a rockbox problem |
18:44:00 | BC | do you swap batteries often/ |
18:44:02 | BC | ?s |
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18:44:15 | NeoBoy | You think it's the firmware? I think it may be something w/hardware, because I am unable to charge period |
18:44:39 | NeoBoy | It sits at "charging" screen, and never charges fully. When i take batteries out they are completely drained |
18:45:10 | BC | no |
18:45:18 | NeoBoy | is there anything you thinik i can look at? |
18:45:42 | scott666 | you could try an external charger |
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18:45:45 | BC | [17:44] <BC> do you swap batteries often? ...why do people ask for help and then ignore the questions they are asked? |
18:46:09 | NeoBoy | Sorry missed it, no this is first time I swapped batteries in 1.5 years |
18:46:52 | NeoBoy | I don't have ext charger, but I don't think archos will take the beating from swapping batteries every day, the covers seem very fragile\ |
18:46:57 | BC | hmm, the spring (-) battery connector is JUST soldered on, but it should survive a nuber of changes before dying |
18:47:05 | BC | have you connected a non-archos charger? |
18:47:14 | NeoBoy | no only used archos charger |
18:47:31 | BC | does the unit power up if it is OFF when you plug it in? |
18:47:55 | NeoBoy | no |
18:47:58 | NeoBoy | archos started up and was playing on the new batteries before i decided to charge them since the store said the weren't charged |
18:48:13 | NeoBoy | It powers up on the adapter, but then goes into HD error |
18:48:26 | BC | new batteries need several "cycles" to get them kick-started |
18:48:34 | BC | do you have an external charger? |
18:49:13 | NeoBoy | no i don't - but do you think it's the "cycles" issue? because archos charger seemed to drain then completely, stripping them of whatever little juice they had brand new |
18:50:04 | BC | to be honest this is a new one on me, it's weird |
18:50:07 | NeoBoy | rockbox site has a document about broken solder joints near the ends, but I don't know if this is it since my unit played befoe I started charging |
18:50:24 | NeoBoy | and probably would still play if i inserted charged batts |
18:51:13 | BC | you can pop the back off and check the solder joints? |
18:52:07 | NeoBoy | Should I? I may not have all the screwdrivers, but i will do it if there's nothing else to check |
18:52:35 | BC | the unit ONLY runs off batteries |
18:52:47 | BC | if ti powers with the mains, then the batteries must be in the circuit |
18:52:55 | BC | why did you replace the batteries? |
18:53:24 | NeoBoy | because they showed signs of being over used, like the lcd screen started flickering during playback and the unit would reboot |
18:53:43 | scott666 | after being charged for how long? |
18:53:51 | BC | were they holding a charge better than the new ones? |
18:54:20 | NeoBoy | the new ones never got charged |
18:54:21 | NeoBoy | I tried the second pair of archos batteries, charging process discharged them completely. I thought that's because they weren't used for 1.5 years, so i went out and got a new set, same thing happened |
18:55:14 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK scott666 |
18:55:14 | scott666 | <scott666> after being charged for how long? |
18:55:16 | NeoBoy | i left the charger on for 13 hours. it never shoewed "fully charged" so i stopped and try to power on the unit. turned out the batteries drained completely |
18:55:36 | scott666 | oops...good thing logbot isnt an op |
18:55:53 | scott666 | was deep discharge on? |
18:56:06 | NeoBoy | scott it's archos firmware 1.29d |
18:56:13 | scott666 | ahh |
18:56:27 | NeoBoy | i can't switch it to anything else until i get some power |
18:56:43 | BC | "fully charged" is only displayed for a few minutes until the unit drains enough with the light to start charging again ....you have to be looking at the right time to see it (bad huh?) |
18:56:47 | scott666 | id say get an external charger |
18:57:03 | scott666 | if that works you know somethings wrong with the charging circuit |
18:57:09 | NeoBoy | BC yeah i know... that's why I stopped at 13h |
18:57:22 | NeoBoy | BC if the joints were broken, woudl the unit still run on fresh batteries? |
18:57:47 | BC | fresh batteries are NOT a good test |
18:57:58 | BC | fresh batteries need conditioning |
18:58:12 | BC | 3x full charge/full drain |
18:58:43 | NeoBoy | but the SOBs don't get charged , they get drained :( |
18:59:10 | NeoBoy | I opened compartments, no evidence of extra heat or burned contacts or anything |
18:59:35 | NeoBoy | Does the brand of NIMHs matter for archos charger? |
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19:00:18 | scott666 | no |
19:01:07 | BC | try the old batteries, I know it is not a long-term fix, but it may help work out what is happening |
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19:01:17 | BC | be gentle swapping bateries |
19:02:05 | NeoBoy | ok i am gonna give it a try. at least i know it was working before, although playback was bad. at least if they charge, i will know it's not the charging unit |
19:03:01 | BC | if the solder is broken, it may not be obvious to the untrained eye - what you are looking for is a hairline crack where the solder thouches the board (iirc) |
19:03:40 | NeoBoy | but wouldnt this break the circuit so there's no power even on fresh cells? |
19:04:03 | BC | it may may the circuit weak, and tempramental until it goes completely |
19:05:30 | NeoBoy | I see. the new batteries i am trying now are 2000mah from radio shack. i was told they are standard NiMH cells, could it be however that they are made to work with a specific charger, or is it unlikely? |
19:06:28 | BC | no, nimh is nimh |
19:06:36 | BC | [17:59] <NeoBoy> Does the brand of NIMHs matter for archos charger? |
19:06:36 | BC | [18:00] <scott666> no |
19:07:23 | NeoBoy | Okay guys, that's very much for your help :) |
19:07:49 | NeoBoy | I am gonna try to get the tools and see if i can spot anything with the solder joints |
19:08:20 | NeoBoy | hopefully the archos will revive somehow |
19:08:35 | NeoBoy | "that's very much" - thanks very much |
19:09:06 | BC | please come back with more Q's or you findings :) |
19:09:10 | scott666 | yeah |
19:09:33 | BC | http://www.jrgach.com/pictures/keyboard.jpg |
19:09:43 | BC | LMAO |
19:09:53 | NeoBoy | will do |
19:09:53 | NeoBoy | laters |
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19:15:26 | scott666 | BC: lol |
19:16:05 | Ctcp | Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 9 minutes and 29 seconds at the last flood |
19:16:05 | * | scott666 is learning CVS |
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19:18:15 | BC | did you read the cvs doc on the cyborg systems page? |
19:18:31 | BC | you'll laugh, I sound like a real idiot in it :) |
19:18:55 | scott666 | yeah, i did |
19:19:11 | BC | i have some bash scripts to do it for you if you like |
19:20:51 | scott666 | there was a t-shirt contest? |
19:20:56 | scott666 | lol |
19:21:08 | scott666 | i made the mistake of getting rockbox-all |
19:21:25 | scott666 | theres all kinds of weird stuff in the www section |
19:21:44 | BC | you need rockbox-devel and fonts |
19:26:34 | BC | t-shirt - LOL |
19:31:13 | dstar5 | i submitted a tshirt in that contest... |
19:31:19 | dstar5 | mine sucked though lol |
19:31:23 | dstar5 | i think it got one vote |
19:31:28 | BC | lol |
19:31:52 | dstar5 | i wish i knew about photoshop that time |
19:31:57 | dstar5 | i think i made it in paint |
19:31:58 | dstar5 | lol |
19:33:20 | scott666 | which ones yours? |
19:33:34 | dstar5 | i think it was the first one submited |
19:33:54 | scott666 | http://rockbox.haxx.se/tshirt-contest/designs.html |
19:34:35 | dstar5 | (1) Lee Pilgrim |
19:34:37 | dstar5 | thatsme |
19:34:45 | dstar5 | crapy huh? |
19:34:51 | scott666 | yeah |
19:34:52 | scott666 | lol |
19:35:03 | scott666 | 'bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox'? |
19:35:05 | scott666 | wow |
19:35:16 | dstar5 | heh that was so long ago.... |
19:35:23 | dstar5 | i forgot it used to be that |
19:35:59 | BC | my god dude ..that's awful - LOL :) |
19:36:20 | dstar5 | i think the adress changed right about then |
19:36:35 | | Nick midknight2k3 is now known as midk (~Zakk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) |
19:36:48 | dstar5 | my fave was (15) Magnus Öman |
19:38:01 | dstar5 | 18 also by Magnus was good |
19:38:03 | scott666 | 18 is good too |
19:38:06 | scott666 | yeah |
19:38:06 | scott666 | lol |
19:38:14 | midk | HAHA dids |
19:38:15 | dstar5 | i wonder where Magnus is... i have not seen him in forever |
19:38:19 | midk | your text isn't aligned |
19:38:32 | BC | 5 is the clear winner imho |
19:39:04 | dstar5 | BC: http://rockbox.haxx.se/tshirt-contest/winner/ |
19:39:25 | dstar5 | i wanted a t-shiort, but they never made enough to sell |
19:39:50 | BC | weird |
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19:41:25 | scott666 | midk: whatever happened to the redzone |
19:41:39 | | Nick BC is now known as BC|feeding (~bluechip@cpc3-colc1-3-0-cust61.colc.cable.ntl.com) |
19:41:39 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK BC|feeding |
19:41:44 | midk | hmm whuh... i worked on it a bit and ended up with a menu for configuration but |
19:41:55 | midk | LOL feeding hahaa that always gets me |
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19:58:41 | dstar5 | goodbye |
19:58:52 | dstar5 | see you midk and BC|feeding |
19:59:02 | midk | later |
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19:59:52 | midk | i almost got a high score |
19:59:54 | midk | oops |
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20:15:32 | scott666 | midk: what happened to the f2 screen? |
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20:15:40 | scott666 | that was a good patch |
20:15:47 | midk | mm? |
20:15:58 | scott666 | the thing that combined f2 and f3 |
20:15:58 | midk | oh, dunno |
20:16:11 | midk | yah, *shrugs |
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21:45:03 | lImbus | BC|feeding, still doing so ? do you live on a farm or what ? |
21:45:14 | midk | haha |
21:45:30 | midk | he's been idle for 30 minutes.. |
21:45:50 | lImbus | his nickchange was 2 hours ago |
21:45:56 | midk | right.. |
21:45:59 | Kaboofa | har har. |
21:45:59 | midk | so he's been around lately. |
21:46:07 | midk | kaboofe..a! |
21:46:21 | Kaboofa | i know this is a stupid question, but is there any sprintf implementation since i last asked? |
21:46:24 | Kaboofa | sup midk? |
21:46:35 | midk | Kaboofa, we have snprintf.. |
21:46:38 | midk | why do you need sprintf? |
21:46:50 | Kaboofa | what's the difference between snprintf and sprintf? |
21:46:56 | Kaboofa | i'm making a calculator program. |
21:47:03 | Kaboofa | well, going to continue work on my old one |
21:47:16 | Kaboofa | except i'm going to make it into Reverse polish notation. |
21:47:19 | Kaboofa | :) |
21:47:22 | Kaboofa | Because RPN kicks ass. |
21:47:23 | midk | ...lol |
21:47:24 | midk | plugin? |
21:47:27 | Kaboofa | yeah |
21:47:30 | midk | cool |
21:47:33 | midk | but snprintf is better. |
21:47:39 | Kaboofa | ok, so snprintf works? |
21:47:54 | Kaboofa | i need float->string |
21:47:57 | Kaboofa | or char |
21:48:00 | lImbus | Kaboofa, snprintf has one argument more to limitate buffer write length |
21:48:02 | Kaboofa | whatever floats your boat. |
21:48:05 | Kaboofa | nice. |
21:48:27 | lImbus | but pay attention: if you write the max to your buffer, the terminating 0 is missing. |
21:48:35 | Kaboofa | roger that. |
21:48:50 | Kaboofa | hmm |
21:48:55 | lImbus | so either ALWAYS snprintf(buffer, (sizeof buffer)-1, ...) |
21:49:04 | Kaboofa | ok |
21:49:07 | Kaboofa | thanks. |
21:49:11 | | Nick Kaboofa is now known as boofCodes (~kaboofa@dsl092-066-005.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
21:49:16 | boofCodes | we shall have RPN! |
21:49:18 | lImbus | with fully zeroed buffer indeed |
21:49:25 | midk | YAY |
21:49:38 | boofCodes | i'm going to store my stack in an array. |
21:49:41 | boofCodes | bbl. |
21:49:51 | lImbus | or either ALWAYS buffer[(sizeof buffer)-1] = 0; AFTER your snprintf |
21:50:24 | lImbus | iirc, snprintf returns the count of chars written, so it's pretty easy to write your own "snprintfSave()" |
21:50:29 | lImbus | I did several times |
21:52:29 | lImbus | midk, with which sdk do you develop rockbox ? |
21:52:41 | midk | i use a full cygwin |
21:54:08 | oxygen77 | what about your mdk10 ? |
21:54:19 | midk | i am not on mdk10 at the moment |
21:54:25 | oxygen77 | k |
21:54:26 | midk | i don't recall being able to compile on mandrake either |
21:54:28 | lImbus | on windows, in a standard cmd-shell ? |
21:54:39 | midk | lImbus, cygwin.. |
21:54:42 | oxygen77 | yeah I know you're on yeti :) |
21:54:45 | midk | like a cmd shell yes |
21:58:06 | lImbus | midk, with cygwin, you are most probably using the bash. are you starting it from cmd or another (better) shell ? |
21:58:25 | midk | i use a BASH prompt, yes |
21:58:40 | midk | just run cygwin.bat - which is like running it from cmd |
21:58:53 | lImbus | I start the bash from a 4NT-shell |
21:59:15 | lImbus | this allows you to resize the window and to copy and paste with the usual keytrokes for example |
21:59:23 | boofCodes | FUCK |
21:59:26 | boofCodes | my old code is gone. |
21:59:28 | boofCodes | time to start anew |
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22:00:14 | midk | aww wtf. |
22:00:19 | midk | hmm |
22:00:23 | midk | lImbus, i'll check that out |
22:00:25 | midk | thanks |
22:00:26 | boofCodes | found it on tape. |
22:00:27 | boofCodes | yay. |
22:00:31 | midk | tape? |
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22:00:33 | midk | tape drive? |
22:00:34 | boofCodes | are you guys SURE snprintf works on rockbox now? |
22:00:37 | boofCodes | midk: yeah |
22:00:41 | midk | yes |
22:00:45 | midk | rb->snprintf |
22:00:46 | boofCodes | because when i was writing my version it only worked on the uisim |
22:00:49 | boofCodes | ok |
22:00:55 | midk | but WAIT |
22:00:56 | boofCodes | i guess i need to update my dsk |
22:00:58 | boofCodes | *sdk |
22:01:00 | midk | one more thing... |
22:01:01 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
22:01:01 | * | boofCodes waiting |
22:01:14 | midk | i think you need to add two more to your buffer than you actually use... |
22:01:26 | lImbus | I am not sure about s(n)printf, never used in rockbox |
22:01:33 | midk | if your snprintf is 4 long, make it 6.. amiconn did something to the function |
22:01:54 | midk | char x[6]; rb->snprintf(x, 6, "4444"); |
22:02:25 | boofCodes | rgr that. |
22:02:36 | midk | yaya. |
22:02:42 | midk | if you are unsure of usage check midk's clock, |
22:02:45 | midk | it's all new. |
22:02:58 | midk | i have answers if you have questions! |
22:03:03 | midk | *hopes bc doesn't return soon |
22:03:04 | midk | lol |
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22:03:42 | lImbus | doesn't ? |
22:03:46 | lImbus | don't get that |
22:03:53 | midk | he'll be like |
22:03:54 | midk | MIDK IS WRONG |
22:03:58 | boofCodes | static void ghetto_sprintf(double d, char *buff) |
22:03:58 | boofCodes | heh |
22:03:59 | midk | he'll bust my scam |
22:04:16 | midk | LOL |
22:04:16 | midk | you mean ghetto_snprintf |
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22:04:16 | midk | oh, wait |
22:04:16 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK midk |
22:04:16 | midk | never mind |
22:04:20 | midk | you're trying to imitate sprintf? |
22:04:21 | boofCodes | midk: i was implementing it before it was included. |
22:04:30 | boofCodes | now snprintf works, i'll just use that. |
22:04:36 | midk | aww |
22:05:44 | boofCodes | ok |
22:05:52 | boofCodes | i need to make an array holding the stack stuff. |
22:05:56 | boofCodes | then i need to idsplay it |
22:05:57 | boofCodes | ok |
22:05:58 | boofCodes | sorry |
22:06:00 | midk | hmm |
22:06:04 | midk | okay |
22:06:04 | midk | yay |
22:06:49 | boofCodes | you guys have seen rpn, right? |
22:07:27 | midk | *stares |
22:07:31 | midk | okay then back to 3ds |
22:07:35 | lImbus | yes. reverse polish notation |
22:07:43 | boofCodes | +60pts for lImbus |
22:08:25 | midk | WTF |
22:08:28 | midk | you just said it a few lines ago |
22:08:43 | midk | <Kaboofa> except i'm going to make it into Reverse polish notation. |
22:08:50 | midk | i could have had those 60 points |
22:09:21 | lImbus | ok, I'll share 30 |
22:10:00 | midk | YAY |
22:10:02 | midk | no, share 45 |
22:10:11 | lImbus | lol |
22:10:41 | midk | just give me it all |
22:10:43 | boofCodes | i mean |
22:10:48 | midk | *takes lImbus' 60 points |
22:10:49 | boofCodes | as in, you know how to use it |
22:10:53 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
22:10:53 | * | boofCodes sets midk on fore |
22:10:58 | boofCodes | you burn. the flames are justice. |
22:11:08 | midk | they are not |
22:11:12 | boofCodes | yes they are! |
22:11:28 | lImbus | let's solve your problem, boofCodes |
22:11:52 | midk | okay! |
22:11:57 | * | midk sets boofCodes on fire |
22:12:08 | midk | hmm.. what do i say again? |
22:12:17 | midk | you're on fire. that's justice. |
22:13:04 | * | scott666 wonders what the hell Reverse Polish Notation is |
22:13:35 | midk | scottye |
22:14:12 | midk | did you want me to revive my patch |
22:14:23 | lImbus | scott666: (2, 4, +) = 6 |
22:15:11 | midk | that's dumb |
22:15:13 | midk | LET ME TRY |
22:15:19 | midk | (%, 2, +) = 7 |
22:15:23 | midk | 5, 2, +* |
22:15:40 | boofCodes | 5,5,+ == 10 |
22:15:53 | boofCodes | scott666: did that help at all? |
22:15:59 | boofCodes | it's a 'better' way to enter numbers |
22:16:03 | boofCodes | so you don't need parenthasees |
22:16:06 | midk | no, it's shitty |
22:16:09 | midk | what if you need to put in |
22:16:11 | midk | 50, 6, + |
22:16:13 | midk | YOU CANT |
22:16:18 | boofCodes | .. yes you can |
22:16:19 | boofCodes | you get 56 |
22:16:25 | boofCodes | moron. |
22:16:35 | boofCodes | well, you can on a hp49g+ |
22:16:51 | midk | STFU MORON |
22:17:43 | boofCodes | eat babies! |
22:17:50 | boofCodes | code better than human interaction. |
22:18:07 | midk | eat babies? |
22:18:16 | boofCodes | code better than human interaction! |
22:18:40 | midk | whatever. |
22:19:09 | scott666 | can you do something like 2*5+3 == 13? |
22:19:26 | lImbus | 2,5,*,3,+ |
22:19:27 | boofCodes | 2,5,*,3,+ |
22:19:31 | lImbus | yay |
22:20:05 | scott666 | how is 2,5,* better than 2,*,5? |
22:21:01 | midk | it's annoyign |
22:21:03 | midk | annoying* |
22:21:07 | scott666 | youre annoying |
22:25:09 | lImbus | scott666, you don't need to type the parathesis for example. furthermore, it's easy to porgram: all stack based. I believe there is an exercise in kerningham and richie |
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22:26:39 | scott666 | so it ignores order of operations then? |
22:27:51 | scott666 | 3,5,+,2,* != 3+5*2 ? |
22:29:04 | lImbus | right. in that case you |
22:29:06 | lImbus | errr... |
22:29:11 | lImbus | boofCodes: HELP |
22:29:16 | lImbus | what in that case ? |
22:29:35 | lImbus | I think you should swap it, so it fits better in your mind too. |
22:29:55 | midk | 5,2,*,3,+ |
22:29:56 | midk | ? |
22:30:47 | lImbus | wait, in that example there above, it's (3+5)*2, right ? |
22:31:05 | midk | 5*2+3.. |
22:31:14 | scott666 | for the RPN one |
22:31:20 | lImbus | so you type 3,5,+,2,* and it's fully ok |
22:31:35 | lImbus | midk, then 5,2,*,3,ü |
22:31:41 | lImbus | ü=+ |
22:31:59 | scott666 | 3,5,+,2,* = 16? |
22:32:12 | scott666 | 3+5*2 = 13 |
22:32:56 | lImbus | yes, that's it. for the last example, YOU have to swap it, because if you would calculate that in mind, you would do either |
22:33:27 | midk | screw this polish... notation whatever |
22:33:29 | lImbus | 3+5*2 == 5*2+5 |
22:33:34 | midk | it's boring |
22:33:43 | lImbus | midk, it's not at all. |
22:34:35 | lImbus | it's even helpful sometimes. you math prof must be a noob he was not able to learn you the benefit |
22:34:57 | scott666 | noe of my math teachers have even mentioned it |
22:35:00 | scott666 | *none |
22:35:32 | lImbus | bad |
22:35:40 | scott666 | maybe it has something to do with our relative distances to poland? |
22:36:22 | * | scott666 is in the US |
22:36:34 | * | midk is in the.. scott place |
22:37:06 | boofCodes | scott666: if you're an engineer and you like asm programming you're likely to use it. |
22:37:09 | midk | yay, boofCodes is back. |
22:37:26 | boofCodes | yeah |
22:37:29 | boofCodes | back from poopin. |
22:37:33 | midk | um |
22:37:34 | boofCodes | and reading battle royal. |
22:37:36 | midk | *runs away |
22:37:37 | boofCodes | *royale |
22:38:13 | scott666 | well as im not an engineer and ive never used asm... |
22:39:01 | scott666 | i remember reading something once that argued assembly should be kept around solely for the possibility of the file name 'org.asm' |
22:39:33 | lImbus | pfff |
22:39:35 | midk | *taps teeth |
22:43:52 | * | boofCodes codes. |
22:44:06 | midk | YAY |
22:44:20 | midk | hmm, why aren't you 'beefcodes' |
22:44:49 | * | lImbus wonders why he's not able to compile his rockbox anymore with BC|feeding's new devkit. ../apps/plugin.h:49:21: widgets.h: No such file or directory |
22:45:18 | midk | FAHAHAHA |
22:45:22 | midk | check for apps/recorder/widgets.h |
22:45:24 | midk | . |
22:45:29 | lImbus | it is there |
22:45:43 | midk | hmm, DIE DIE DIE |
22:45:48 | midk | ..compiler. |
22:45:50 | lImbus | who, I ? |
22:45:53 | lImbus | ah, ok |
22:45:57 | midk | i just said, compiler. |
22:45:58 | midk | :D |
22:46:18 | midk | we all love lImbus |
22:46:40 | lImbus | yup, I wasn't fast enough predicting what you were typing |
22:46:49 | midk | lol |
22:46:52 | midk | but we all still love lImbus |
22:47:04 | * | lImbus feels better |
22:47:56 | midk | wooya |
22:48:13 | scott666 | so do you have apps/recorder/widgets.h? |
22:50:08 | midk | i just said that scott |
22:50:12 | midk | keep up sir. |
22:50:38 | scott666 | i know you did |
22:50:42 | scott666 | he didnt answer |
22:50:59 | midk | <lImbus> it is there |
22:52:37 | boofCodes | hmmm |
22:52:47 | boofCodes | i need to find the latest win32 sdk before i can compile |
22:52:48 | boofCodes | damn |
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22:55:20 | scott666 | boofCodes: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/cyborgsystems/CS_Main/RockBox/Win32_DevKit/RockBox-DevKit_v302.exe |
22:57:08 | boofCodes | ty scott666 |
22:57:51 | lImbus | sorry, was afk, am back now, scott666 |
22:58:36 | lImbus | boofCodes, if this compiles with current cvs-checkout, I do something wrong |
22:59:58 | dstar5 | humm BC made some changes to .bachrc and etc to make it where you can just press like f3 to configure, and then f5 to build |
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23:00:04 | dstar5 | it was very simple and easy |
23:00:20 | dstar5 | he should put those in the devkit |
23:00:55 | boofCodes | alias corb="/rockbox/path/configure" |
23:01:04 | scott666 | hes working on a new release iirc |
23:01:15 | boofCodes | alias comprb="make /rockbox/path/make" |
23:01:18 | boofCodes | :) |
23:01:25 | boofCodes | i hate cvs... |
23:01:28 | boofCodes | so i'll code this first |
23:01:30 | boofCodes | then install everything |
23:02:19 | lImbus | dstar5, it's not that I don't know how to type "make" I try (and I try hard :) but it wont compile that plugin.h |
23:04:37 | boofCodes | i need to modify my makefile to include rpncalc.c :( |
23:05:02 | boofCodes | i don't compile on unix-like environments too often. |
23:05:08 | boofCodes | because i hate gcc with a fucking passion |
23:05:09 | lImbus | not needed. |
23:05:25 | scott666 | lImbus: <scott666> so do you have apps/recorder/widgets.h? |
23:05:26 | boofCodes | it just goes 'whee! new plugin detected' and compiles? |
23:05:35 | lImbus | if your rpncalc.c is within /apps/plugins, it will be compiled automagically |
23:06:06 | lImbus | scott666, yes, I have |
23:06:26 | lImbus | and it looks pretty good, not a not compileable mess I first thought |
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23:11:04 | lImbus | @all: my problem is pretty well my own problem |
23:11:15 | * | lImbus under shame |
23:11:15 | boofCodes | any of you have feature requests? |
23:12:21 | lImbus | midk: forget what I told about 4NT, the cmd-shell and the clipboard: it's all possible if you activate it... |
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23:17:15 | scott666 | boofCodes: in the dir browser, make the function of 'play' changable to 'insert' |
23:18:34 | lImbus | default "enque" instead of discarding the old playlist. yeah, I changed that on winamp too. |
23:18:57 | boofCodes | bastards |
23:19:00 | boofCodes | i mean for calculator |
23:19:11 | boofCodes | ;) |
23:19:56 | lImbus | hehe, I was not sure, but then scotty cam up with that brilliant idea |
23:20:02 | lImbus | *came |
23:20:20 | boofCodes | we have... |
23:20:22 | boofCodes | square roots |
23:20:24 | boofCodes | trig function |
23:20:34 | boofCodes | and base conversions |
23:20:36 | boofCodes | for requests |
23:21:12 | boofCodes | sigh, i need a better ide. |
23:21:59 | scott666 | do we have y^x? |
23:22:05 | boofCodes | no |
23:22:08 | boofCodes | good idea |
23:22:10 | scott666 | (y,x,^) |
23:23:14 | lImbus | are the main functions (+-*/) easier to access/type than all those overkill (trig, base, power) unlike in the current calculator.c ? |
23:24:12 | lImbus | I miss half of my calculations because of that. |
23:32:35 | | Nick midk is now known as midkizzt0r (~Zakk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) |
23:32:35 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK midkizzt0r |
23:34:24 | boofCodes | eh? |
23:34:29 | boofCodes | i havn't updtaed in a long time |
23:34:40 | boofCodes | i have +,-,*,/ |
23:34:49 | boofCodes | and yes, it's easier to get to then the trig stuff |
23:35:05 | boofCodes | you have to press right more times. |
23:35:12 | lImbus | in the calculator.c you have one hardware.key (I think f2) for those all, you have to toggle trough |
23:36:57 | boofCodes | i havn't seen calculator.c ;( |
23:37:05 | boofCodes | you have left and right |
23:37:07 | boofCodes | and play |
23:37:23 | boofCodes | then if you want to hit the 'advanced' functions you tap f2 |
23:37:55 | lImbus | ah yes. |
23:37:55 | boofCodes | if you want to clear, you press up, to push the stack you press down |
23:38:11 | lImbus | how do I enter "5" ? |
23:38:18 | boofCodes | left x4 |
23:38:23 | boofCodes | assuming you started from 0 |
23:38:27 | boofCodes | play |
23:38:46 | lImbus | ah, ok. |
23:39:14 | lImbus | I found the way calculator.c uses to enter numbers pretty much convenient |
23:39:53 | boofCodes | again, i havn't seen it yet |
23:39:55 | boofCodes | i'm on sdk 2.2 |
23:39:58 | boofCodes | or, rockbox 2k2 |
23:40:00 | boofCodes | *2.2 |
23:40:42 | boofCodes | someone requested multiple memories on the mailing list a while back |
23:40:46 | boofCodes | NOW YOU HAVE SIX OF THEM!!! |
23:40:50 | boofCodes | and they can be easily added |
23:40:58 | boofCodes | 6 was an arbitrary number i picked. |
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23:44:14 | midkizzt0r | SDTRATH |
23:44:21 | Strath | yo |
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