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#rockbox log for 2004-08-08

00:07:30 Quit Smooth ("leafChat IRC client: http://www.leafdigital.com/Software/leafChat/")
00:17:18dstar5bye bye
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00:20:32zewhy do they sell computers without the motherboard's manual?
00:20:57midkwhy not?
00:21:22zebecause they have necessary information on stuff like ram
00:21:23zeand whatnot
00:21:42midkthe computer manual tells you what you need to know..
00:21:46zei had to go looking all over the place and never found an exactly definitive answer on whether or not her motherboard supported/required the dual-channel ram she got
00:21:50midkbe smart ze. youse your head.
00:21:52zeno, it doesn't, it's just a quickstart guide
00:21:56zethere's no useful info in there
00:22:09midkram isn't dual channel... the motherboard either supports dual channel or not.
00:22:17zeit even says for maintaince and upgrade information see the online user guide in the help and support channel
00:22:20zeerr
00:22:23zehelp and support whatever
00:22:23zeheh
00:22:38zebut then that's all just generic and gives nothing specific to any particular system
00:22:52midkget the motherboard model. look it up. DUUYYYY
00:22:56zei did
00:23:08zetry it, p4sd-vl
00:23:29midkhttp://boat.zero.ad.jp/~zbc18577/vaio/power_up.htm
00:24:14midkhere you go.. this is the real model, may assist you.
00:24:14midkSD7533
00:24:41zewhat makes you think thats the real model
00:24:52zethats abit and this is asus isn't it?
00:24:58midkAbit SD7533 Motherboard - Review Prices & Stores Before Shopping ...
00:24:58midk... Calculate Taxes & Shipping costs for your area ? Enter your ZIP code:
00:24:58midkAlso Known As. P4sd, P4sd-La, P4sd-Vx, P4sd-Vl, Asus P4sd.
00:25:15midklooks like it's the SD7533 to me
00:25:26zeyeah how do you know that page isn't full of shit?
00:25:48midkhow do you know your face isn't ugly?
00:25:53midkyou just know.
00:26:01zethat's irrelevant
00:26:11zesee now i'm looking at a pic of the sd7533
00:26:12midkright
00:26:13zeand it's notn it
00:26:15midkbut the point is..
00:26:20midkhmm... well... good luck.
00:26:22zethat board has 3 ram slots all bunched together
00:26:30zethis one has 4 slots in pairs
00:26:30zeheh
00:26:45midkthat's dual channel.
00:27:00zeso whats dual channel all about
00:27:14zemy mom wanted add another 512mb but not fill up all her slots so she could add more later
00:27:25midkif you put one stick in one of the groups and the other stick in another group... then they are faster
00:27:26zebut they gave her a package of 2 256mb's
00:27:52zeso now it's 4 256mb's in there filling it up
00:28:12midkhmm. so you have 1gb.. that's not bad.
00:28:19zeyeah but it runs xp
00:28:25midkif you ever want to upgrade you could swap out two 256's for 2 512's.. sell the other stuff?
00:28:31midk..so?
00:28:33zeyeah right
00:28:38midkhaha.. xp doesn't take up 1gb/
00:28:49zesell old ram... heh
00:29:01zeno, it doesn't take it up
00:29:10midkso what's wrong?
00:29:17zeit just effectively reduces whats available as compared to pretty much any other system
00:29:20zeheh
00:29:34midkget 2k then..?
00:29:42zeheh
00:30:05zebut it's got all it's pre-loaded software :p
00:30:10zethat my mom likes
00:30:17midkhmm.. like solitaire?
00:30:19midk:]
00:30:24zeand it comes with no cd's or anything to install such software anywhere else
00:30:29zelike gigapocket PVR stuff
00:30:40midkhmm
00:31:07midkok fine
00:31:09midkjust put in the ram
00:31:14midkand let her have fun with gigashit
00:31:22zeheh
00:31:32zeyeah i dunno why she's so fixated on that
00:31:33midkwhat is it...
00:31:44zewhen i'm setting up a dedicated PVR box that'll be hooked up to the 60" TV
00:31:57midkhey nice
00:32:02midkhaha...
00:32:41midkbribe her
00:32:55midktell her you'll put in the ram if you can waste time fragging with middy
00:33:14zeheh
00:33:19zei can waste all the time i want
00:33:22zeand i already put her ram in
00:33:39midkyou suck.. you could have bribed her,
00:33:53zeheh
00:33:59zeno, i couldn't have :p
00:34:06zeand i got nothing really to bribe her for anyway
00:34:34midkhmm.. ten bucks?
00:35:16zenow i gotta make sure that this linksys wifi card'll work in linux
00:35:34midkhmm.. good idea.. swap her over to slackware
00:35:41zeno, it's for the PVR
00:35:57midkyeah but.. haha... "here you go.. enjoy"
00:35:59zeand slackware? pff
00:36:01midk*mom stares at terminal*
00:36:09zeyeah i've done that before
00:36:10zesorta
00:36:11midkfine whatever
00:36:25midksorry i don't have your preferred distro memorized
00:36:39zeyeah
00:36:41zei don't like distro's
00:36:41ze:p
00:36:49midki sincerely apologize.
00:37:48zehmm
00:37:54zei hope there's linux support for this card though
00:37:55zehehe
00:38:44midkAHAHA
00:39:22zehmm it seems there's at least some way to make it work
00:39:35zeit might be some deal where it wraps some windows driver code somehow though
00:39:43zewhich i don't see any problem with if it works i guess
00:39:47zeheh
00:40:03zei think thats funny though
00:40:06zewhatever the deal is
00:40:11zelinux people'll figure out a way
00:40:12midkno, i guess if it works it works... you're a true visionary.. i never would have thought of that
00:40:40zelike the windows-only video codecs
00:40:49zemplayer'll use the dll's and support them in linux anyway
00:40:55midkright
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00:42:20zehmm
00:42:30zethe wireless HOWTO is 2 full years old
00:42:34zesince the last update
00:42:49midkHAHAHA
00:43:14zeoh the one at the HOWTO's own site
00:43:21zeis a full month newer than the one at tldp
00:43:22zeheh
00:43:35midkso.. 1 year,,, 11 months?
00:43:44zewell
00:43:46zeaug 23 2002
00:43:47zeheh
00:44:13midkoh so... yeah... 1 year 11 months and 16 days?
00:44:37zehmm
00:44:42zethere's a different howto
00:44:51zethere's the wireless-howto
00:45:05zeand it links to somebody elses wireless lan howto
00:45:05zeheh
00:45:40midkhnmm.. well good luck on that
00:45:50midkFAFAHAHA
00:47:10zeso it seems if it's not supported natively it's supported via the windows driver wrapper
00:47:14zeso i guess it's cool
00:47:14zeheh
00:47:31zeit's a linksys wmp54gs
00:47:41ze802.11g + speedboster
00:47:42zeheh
00:47:52midkhmm... but why?
00:48:00zewhy what?
00:48:26midkdoes the speedbooster work well? do you get fast transfers?
00:48:34midkhow fast?
00:48:38zei don't have anything to compare
00:48:49zeand have yet to give it a good testing actually, because we got a defective card for our laptop
00:48:53zethat we've yet to get replaced
00:49:05zewhen i get this PVR system setup, it'll be the first to give it a good run
00:49:16midkneato..
00:49:18zebut the reviews all say it is a noticable difference
00:49:32midkmy wired network i get about 5,5mb/s transfers
00:50:02zeour wired network is switched 100Mb
00:50:19midksounds tasteful
00:50:27zeit only took a few minutes the other day
00:50:32zeto copy 4GB accross the network
00:51:03midki copied about 1.4gb just today.. took about a minute iirc.
00:51:56zelets see i guess i gotta find what chipset this card is
00:52:08midkhmm... having trouble
00:52:11midk(you are)
00:52:13midkFAHAHAHAHAHAHA
00:52:15*midk laughs at ze
00:52:22zehmm broadcomm?! i don't think so, i swear i saw it being something else somewhere heh
00:52:33zetrouble? what trouble?
00:52:39zei've got a cat named trouble
00:52:49midkhe sounds stupid
00:52:55zehe's a sweetheart
00:53:04zeall he wants to do is sleep on my bed and get loved
00:53:16zeand sometimes do acrobatic tricks
00:53:21zedoing backflips leaping for a toy
00:53:36zeor walking accross the track of the blinds on the sliding glass door
00:53:42zeand whatnot
00:53:42zeheh
00:53:50midkHAHA
00:54:49zehmm i should take a look at knoppmyth
00:56:24zehttp://www.raybenjamin.com/public_html/article.php?story=20040606230443593
00:56:34zegotta poo
00:57:15midkuh
00:57:18midkdon't take any pics..
00:57:19midk:]
01:00
01:12:23zei'm eating fresh whole wheat toast with strawberry preserves
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01:13:45midkMMMM
01:14:24zethis bread only finished baking a mere 12 hours ago
01:14:42zeand it's flour was ground from whole wheat berries only a few hours before that
01:15:36midkhm. how long did it take to bake?
01:16:05zethe whole mixing/kneading/rising/baking process took 3 hours and 40 minutes
01:20:45midkuh
01:21:02midkso um... you spent 3h 40m of your life making a loaf of bread?
01:21:07zeno
01:21:10zethe bread machine did it
01:21:12zeheh
01:21:12midkhrm.. i mean
01:21:20midkhow much time did _you_ spend?
01:21:30zei dunno
01:21:54zegrinding the flour, getting it all going, and then slicing the bread after it was done
01:21:59zeprobably ~1 hour or less
01:22:51midkhmm
01:22:53midknot too bad...
01:23:04midkbut you can still go to the store and get a loaf easily.
01:24:22zepff
01:24:32zeyeah full of preservatives and baked like days or weeks ago and crap
01:26:07midkHAHAHA
01:26:39midkhttp://www.snopes.com/food/prepare/breadtag.htm
01:30:13zeheh
01:30:24zewell thats all well and good
01:30:32zebut mine's still better :p
01:30:36zeand i like making stuff for myself
01:30:51midktrue.
02:00
02:34:02zeso my parents are at a party at the neighbor's
02:34:09zeso i'm thinking i'll have a little party here my self
02:35:09zeyou know, plug my karma-dock into the surround-sound system and get some mp3's going, invite over some linux wifi software and drivers, ...
02:35:20ze"Hey party people... are you ready for some HARDWARE CONFIGURATION?!"
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02:49:04midkHAHA
02:49:37midkyeah sounds fun... "Who can get the kernel reconfigured first?!"
02:50:03midkor party with middy at ctf and watch him whoop you.
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03:34:11zeheh
03:34:22zethere's a little linux distro for the wireless router we've got
03:34:23ze:p
03:34:44midkhaha! yeah.. OH.
03:34:51zeand yet i'm gonna have to use a windows-driver wrapper to get the matching wireless card to work in the linux PVR box
03:34:51midkis it the..
03:34:53midkwrt54g or so?
03:34:55zeyeah
03:34:59zeactually the wrt54gs
03:35:03zebut it says it works on that too
03:35:03zeheh
03:36:09zehmm
03:36:17zeactually this page here
03:36:22zesays it already runs linux
03:36:23zeheh
03:36:30webmindofftopic ?
03:36:36zewhat topic?
03:36:46*webmind points at #wireless
03:36:47webmind:)
03:36:56zeheh
03:37:04zewhy?
03:37:23zethere's only a topic when there's discussion
03:37:24ze:p
03:37:35midk:]
03:40:02zeheh
03:40:03zePort State Service
03:40:03ze80/tcp open http
03:40:03ze443/tcp open https
03:40:03zeRemote operating system guess: Linux Kernel 2.4.0 - 2.5.20
03:40:05zeUptime 22.006 days (since Fri Jul 16 18:30:26 2004)
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04:00
04:00:21zemidk: so what would you say if i said sbuf is a buffer for the current sample in a loop for every sample in an audio file, and afac is a float with a value of 0.00007 and showed you this:
04:00:26zeif (sbuf!=0) smixval = (short)((random()+sbuf)*afac);
04:00:27zeif (smixval!=0) smixval = (short)(smixval/afac);
04:00:29zefwrite(&smixval,2,1,stdout);
04:00:42zeoh
04:00:49zei'm in the middle of adding the random() deal to it
04:01:17midkhmm..
04:01:28midkwtf....
04:01:45zeyou know what that does?
04:01:46zeheh
04:01:51zeignore the random() bit
04:01:51zeheh
04:01:55midknot at all... wtf are you talking about.
04:02:03midki have an idea. ctf.
04:02:09zei'm busy
04:02:21zei'm setting up a pvr system, configuring it's wireless, and writing this audio-manipulation software
04:02:25zeall at the same time
04:02:25midk"sample"ing?
04:02:31midkwell get to work..
04:02:38zewhile dancing around like a fool with some music going
04:02:41zeand chatting at you
04:02:44midkhaha.. let's see that.
04:02:51midkAT me/
04:02:53midkhmm.. yeah.
04:02:55midkget back to work
04:02:57zeheh
04:03:00zeok fine
04:03:01*midk spies on ze
04:03:01zechatting with you
04:03:04midkNO. don't go.
04:03:05zeso like
04:03:08zeyou see first thing
04:03:19zeis, lets see
04:03:37zeok
04:03:54zea signed short (16bit) has values of -32767 to +32767 right?
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04:04:22midk+32768 iirc?
04:04:31zeoh probably
04:04:34ze*shrug*
04:04:45midkyes. so go on.
04:05:25zeso you times those values by 0.00007
04:05:41zeand you end up squishing those values down to like
04:05:44ze+/- 2
04:05:45zeor such?
04:05:46zeheh
04:05:55zeand being a short integer
04:05:58zenot handling floats
04:06:18zethat gives a total of like 5 amplitude levels for the waveform to occupy basically
04:06:30midk-2 -1 0 1 2
04:06:32midkwow i am good.
04:06:37DrParadoxanyone know if there's a version of rockboxx for Archos Multimedia 20?
04:06:39midkso... why were you teaching me this again?
04:06:46zeso what this basically accomplishes
04:06:54midkDrParadox, please read the faq.. or the NODO
04:06:56zeis totally over-quantizing the audio
04:07:02zeor whatever
04:07:13zeso it like loses tons of information about the original waveform
04:07:27zeand totally roughs it up into digital extreme low-fi
04:07:36zeso it sounds all fucked up and clicky and stuff
04:07:40zebut
04:07:44zethe theory is
04:07:50midkhaha
04:07:55zethat any subtle elements of the signal
04:07:59zewill more or less be lost
04:08:19zeand when you do home recording on crappy mainstream PC audio hardware and whatnot
04:08:26zethere's plenty of subtle signal that you'd like to get rid of
04:08:37zenow of course you're losing regular signal quality also in the process
04:08:45zebut if you care more about something that sounds good and clean
04:08:51zethan something that's accurate to what was recorded
04:08:53zethat doesn't really matter
04:09:02zeassuming
04:09:07zethat you can take the results of this process
04:09:20zeand smooth it out somehow to make it sound better than the clicky fucked up version
04:09:24zeheh
04:09:44midki get what you
04:09:51midkyou're saying, but..
04:09:52zebasically resynthesizing elements that you threw away
04:10:12zeso hopefully you'd end up with something that doesn't sound either really recorded nor synthesized but somewhere inbetween
04:10:16zeand clean-sounding
04:10:17zeheh
04:10:41zenow this over-quantizing deal might not be the best way to go
04:11:01zeit's just the easiest way i thought of as a step to accomplish this basic end
04:11:21midki still don't see where yoi'
04:11:25midkyou're going with this
04:11:31zeer?
04:11:45zei thought i went there already
04:11:45zeheh
04:11:52zeoh you mean in like
04:11:57zeexplaining all this to you?
04:11:59midkwhy are you telling me this? is it your new theory on over-compromising or whatever
04:12:01zebrb
04:12:09midksure,
04:12:43zeok
04:12:49zeso
04:12:52zelike i dunno
04:13:01zeyou code stuff don't you? any audio-related stuff?
04:13:06zebtw the basis for this code
04:13:10zeis that wavmix i wrote
04:13:14midknot anything audio-related really
04:13:16zeyou know, the one with the, uh, functions :p
04:13:23midkthe buttfuck(shit assface); thing?
04:13:26zeyeah
04:13:28midkyea.
04:13:30midklet'
04:13:33midklet's see it.
04:13:34midk:]
04:13:36zei took a look
04:13:58zeand like almost all of the code is applicable to any kinda deal i wanna do to 8 or 16 bit mono pcm wav files
04:14:01zeheh
04:14:22zeand if i wanted to get all fancy i could probably make it work on stereo files too, but... heh
04:14:29midki want to see it.
04:14:43midkthen i can .. better understand your over-compromization technique
04:14:54zebasically the only line that was particularly specific to the mixing process is the
04:14:57zefor (i=0;i<count;i++) smixval += sbuf[i]/count;
04:15:00zepart
04:15:02zeheh
04:15:12midkyou're so odd/.
04:15:27zeok lemme rm this random() thing from it and tar it up
04:15:49zeer is tar ok, or you want zip? you in win or lin now? do i have to convert them to dos text format?
04:15:52zeheh
04:15:56midklin
04:16:01zeok good
04:17:08zehaha cool
04:17:12zethe tar.gz's 1909 bytes
04:17:12ze:p
04:17:23midkuh oh
04:17:25zeer yeah it's bloated too
04:17:25midkxchat may crash.
04:17:29midkin which case brb
04:17:36zeheh
04:17:37midkoh great
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04:17:51zehmm
04:17:53zeheh
04:18:03zexchat crashes?
04:18:18midkoh not great
04:18:26midkon dcc
04:18:28midk75% of the time
04:18:30zehaha
04:18:33zelame
04:18:35midkthat time it made it before crashing
04:18:37midkluckily
04:18:41zeheh
04:18:55midkAHHA
04:19:31zeoh the RAND_MAX stuff's still in there too
04:19:31zeoh well
04:19:35midki don't see how this can be coded.
04:19:50zewell it works...
04:19:51zetype make
04:19:58midkhaha
04:19:59midksizeof(shit)
04:19:59zeand then pick out a 16-bit mono wav file
04:20:02zeand do
04:20:08ze./lowbit file.wav >newfile.wav
04:20:18zeand then play each file
04:20:18zeheh
04:20:26zeand you'll see what the fucked up sounding shit is
04:20:26zehehe
04:20:51midkHAHAHA
04:20:51midkass fuck[bitch];
04:20:56midkyou're good, ze.
04:20:59zeheh
04:21:19zei made up for it with *putheader()
04:21:26zeman those functions are ugly as hell
04:21:53zecan't say exactly why, and i dunno any cleaner way to do it though i suspect there would be one
04:21:57zebut heh
04:22:37midkAHA
04:22:38midkshit rate
04:22:42zeheh
04:23:13midkhmm.. "penis ssize;"
04:23:25midkOH. i know what i need to do.
04:23:27zeheh
04:23:44midkgo to #c, paste some and ask for help
04:23:53midkthey'd be like.... "uh..."
04:24:14midkshould i go there and ask?
04:24:23zehmm
04:24:28zeyeah i think maybe you should
04:24:29midki will log it for entertainment.
04:24:34zebrb gotta pee
04:24:35midkhmm sounds nifty
04:24:36zehehe ok
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04:26:51midkhmm
04:34:16zehmm
04:34:53midki have no idea what to ask them,
04:36:24zeheh
04:37:16midkcome up with something ze.
04:37:26midkit's got to be bogus, but convincing bogus.
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04:40:26zeheh ok
04:40:51midkwhat must i ask the nerds of #c.
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04:41:27zeer oh me come up with something?
04:41:32zei dunno
04:41:34zeit was your idea
04:41:39zei thought maybe you had something in mind :/
04:41:53midki want to paste bogus code but i also need some sort of a reason
04:41:57midki don't like getting banned for no reason.
04:42:06zeheh
04:42:07midkhmm well actually it's sorta fun
04:42:08zewhat bogus code?
04:42:13midkyours!
04:42:17zeit's not bogus
04:42:18zeheh
04:42:32zeit does work
04:42:33zeit's used
04:42:33zeheh
04:42:41midkwell... to them it's bogus
04:42:54ze if (compare_ass(header->rid,"RIFF")<4) return 1;
04:43:06midkwhy am i pasting it? "i need help with this for loop" "this is erroring" etc.
04:43:19midkor i could just paste it and say "die nerds"
04:43:23zeheh
04:43:25zenah
04:44:00zewell
04:44:04zei'd say pick one of the 2 functions
04:44:14zeand then look at a place where that function's used
04:44:21zeand see if you can formulate a question about that spot
04:44:36midkhuh?!
04:44:38zeand then they'll be all like "hmm whats this bitchfuck() function?"
04:44:39zeor whatever
04:44:45zeand then you paste it
04:44:45ze:p
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04:44:57midkno they'd probably say "language please"
04:45:05midk:]
04:45:07zewell i dunno
04:45:15zeif (compare_ass(header->rid,"RIFF")<4) return 1;
04:45:18zelooks like C to me
04:45:22zeso does
04:45:27zeif ((header->flen-16)>0) {
04:45:31ze if (shit_ass_fuck(header->flen-16,wfd)) return -99;
04:45:35ze fprintf(stderr,"flen is %i too big?\n",header->flen-16);
04:45:38ze}
04:45:53midkthis isn't c?
04:45:59zeyes, it is c
04:46:04zeand it looks like it too
04:46:04midk"looks like c to me"...
04:46:04zeheh
04:46:08midkoh... haha
04:46:28zei dunno
04:46:31zemaybe it's not a good idea
04:46:38zethey'll just be all like
04:46:58zewell if you really wanna debug it you won't be doing all this dumb typedef'ing
04:47:00ze:p
04:47:01midki regularly get banned from there, just not too recently
04:47:58zewell the big problem is
04:48:03zethere's no problem with the code to ask about
04:48:07zeit works just fine :p
04:48:24midkright. but it'd be fun to see their responses.
04:50:35scott666wait a minute...theres a bitchfuck() ready to be pasted?
04:51:18midkze's code..
04:51:20midkshit compare_ass(ass *bigass, ass *fatass) {
04:51:20midkshit poop;
04:51:20midkfor (poop=0;(bigass[poop] == fatass[poop]);poop++);
04:51:20DBUGEnqueued KICK midk
04:51:20midkreturn poop;
04:51:21midk}
04:51:23midkhaha
04:51:29scott666just lying around?
04:51:30midkshould i just paste it?
04:51:38midkhm. not bitchfuck() per se
04:51:53midkshit_ass_fuck is available
04:52:04scott666really
04:52:21scott666does it have a legitimate purpose?
04:52:28midkyes, it compiles
04:52:34midkze can send it to you
04:52:45scott666compiles!=has a legitimate purpose
04:52:49midker
04:52:51midkyes, it runs a program
04:52:59midkit's for wav .. something
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04:56:11zein it's current state it only works for 16bit mono pcm wav files
04:56:40zethe 8bit could be fixed in like seconds
04:56:41zebet
04:56:42zebut
04:56:43zehehe
04:56:49zei don't really care about it atm
04:57:13zecome to think of it
04:57:16zeit might take more than seconds
04:57:17zeheh
04:59:01midkhaha
04:59:15ze:p\
05:00
05:02:33zeheh
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05:02:35zenothing
05:02:36ze:p
05:05:57midk?
05:06:00midkhaha... wtf.. go on.
05:08:56ze20:05 < Pr0x> I suppose sarcasm doesn't go well over the internet
05:09:00ze20:05 < ze> but i really did learn C by staring at my monitor
05:10:06zeheh
05:10:13midki'm not sure it makes sense
05:10:28zewhat?
05:12:11midkit doesn't make sense
05:12:37zewhat?
05:12:42midknm.
05:13:40zefuck this pizza has a lot of toppings
05:14:02midk..
05:14:17zei'm not even done with my 3rd piece
05:14:20midkhow many?
05:14:21zeand i'm like full
05:14:31midktopics don't really relate to pizza size
05:14:38midkslice size*
05:14:46zeand sausages and shit keep falling off
05:14:54zetopics?
05:14:57zewell see the thing is
05:14:58midkerr
05:15:00midktoppings
05:15:03zeif it were just like
05:15:05zenormal pizza
05:15:07zewith normal toppics
05:15:18midkyeah i guess... but... hmmm... haha... never mind...
05:15:19zei could potentially eat 4 and be satisfied but not full
05:15:30zeer with normal toppings
05:15:31ze:p
05:15:34midkHAHA
05:15:38zeof the same size slices
05:15:53midkand you were dogging ME about a typo.
05:15:56zebut this pizza's so damn loaded
05:16:01midki take it you're not busy fucking with eth0 or pvr or whatever
05:16:07zewell yeah
05:16:15zei'm gonna have to get knoppmyth i think
05:16:21midkwell get to work
05:16:39zeand it installs to the HD
05:16:41zewhich is fine with me
05:16:42zebut
05:16:58zei gotta backup the old stuff first in case i need to reference any of it's setup
05:17:13zeand the other harddrive that i've got for it
05:17:14midkok...
05:17:18zei'm not ready to wipe out yet
05:17:27midksend me it
05:17:30midki could use it more than you could
05:17:35zewhat?
05:17:42midkthe other harddrive
05:17:49zewell
05:17:56zeit's gonna be the PVR's main drive
05:17:59zebeing 120GB and all
05:18:05midki could use 120gb
05:18:14zevs the old HD that it's booting off currently (that i need to back up) being i dunno 2G or somesuch
05:18:17zeheh
05:18:20midkmy collection of.. erm..... hm... code.... is expanding rapidly.
05:18:35zeor maybe 6GB i guess cause there's like 2G used
05:19:38midkif 2g was used that would leave 4g
05:19:44midkso why would you guess it's 2g?
05:21:41zecause i forget how big of a drive it is
05:21:54zeand the canidates are roughly 2GB 6GB and 8GB
05:21:58zeit might be the 8GB even
05:21:58midkso.. you were BLINDLY GUESSING the storage capacity
05:22:13zeno i'm guessing one out of 3 possible options
05:22:14midkyou idiot... just get the properties of a file and look at "free disk space"
05:22:21zeum
05:22:25zeno the box runs linux
05:22:27zei can tell by df -h
05:22:28zebut
05:22:36zeit's shut down and like unplugged and stuff
05:23:44zelets see
05:24:23zei guess i should get random numbers from 0 to 2^16
05:24:55midkhaha
05:24:56zeand then subtract (2^16/2)-1 from it
05:24:57midkyeah.
05:25:08midk..
05:25:22zeand then add the results into the 2nd line
05:25:24zelike
05:25:30midki'd say you make sense but i'd be lying
05:25:41zeif (smixval!=0) smixval = (short)(smixval/afac)+randomnumber;
05:26:35zeyou think?
05:26:36zeheh
05:26:39midkuhh
05:26:44midkno i don't think
05:26:51zelets see
05:26:53midkhmm. brb.
05:27:08zeyou gotta reseed random() every time you call it to get a new random number?
05:31:43midknot necessarily
05:32:24midkhm, i think i will reboot to windows and i will frag some monsters,
05:32:31zemonsters?
05:32:35zedid you get doom3?
05:32:40midkyeppy
05:32:43zecool
05:32:44zesend it to me
05:32:48ze:p
05:32:58midkhm... it's actually worth purchasing. i never purchase games, last time was like 5 years ago
05:33:06zeoh i'm sure it is
05:33:08midkbut i got this one.
05:33:09zebut i don't have money
05:33:12midkit's terrifying
05:33:14midkyeah...
05:33:20midkhmm....
05:33:55midkbrb
05:34:06midkoh..
05:34:18midkhttp://freewebs.com/midky/doom3pix.zip
05:34:20midkhttp://freewebs.com/midky/doom3pix2.zip
05:34:24midkand http://freewebs.com/midky/doom3pix3.zip
05:34:26midkenjoy, sir.
05:34:27zei don't want screenshots of it
05:34:33midkwell have a look
05:34:34zescreenshots suck
05:34:36midkthere are flying skulls.
05:34:36zeof doom3
05:34:38zehehe
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05:36:38midkok so it's really fucking scary... probably be back in about 5 minutes.
05:36:42zeheh
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05:39:26zehmm ok
05:39:41zei guess random()'ll give you a new number for each call
05:39:47zeafter being seeded
05:39:52zeit'll just give the same sequence with the same seed
05:39:57zeok thats fine
05:43:41zehmm
05:44:04zebut it's giving numbers way past +/- (2^16/2)-1
05:44:39midk|doom3gmm
05:44:41midk|doom3mhmm*
05:44:50midk|doom3maybe tomorrow at noon i will play some more.
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05:44:53zehaha
05:45:13CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
05:45:13*midk hides under table
05:45:14zegames are scarier than movies can be
05:45:19zebut only somewhat
05:45:22midkoh, fuck yes.. doom3 proves that
05:45:22zecause either way
05:45:27zeit's still just a game/movie
05:45:31midkwell....
05:45:32zeit's just some sound and flat images
05:45:33zeheh
05:45:35zebut
05:45:36zewith a game
05:45:38zeit's interactive
05:45:45zeit's actually you going into that dark corner
05:45:46zein a sense
05:45:57midktell that to me after some flying faces turn your friend into a zombie and this guy with 10 eyes jumps down from the ceiling throws fireballs at you
05:45:59zeand you've got something to lose if something pops out and rips you to shreads
05:47:00zeso uh
05:47:07zewhy is random() giving me numbers >65536
05:47:14zewhen i've got RAND_MAX set to 65536
05:47:40midkhang on, i'm still sort of jumpy since that zombie with a gun came around that dark corner
05:47:47zehehe
05:49:02midkok
05:49:11midki think i'm calmed down
05:49:19zes/set to/defined as/
05:50:12midkshitty
05:50:16midki dunno.
05:50:35zesee its like
05:50:36ze#undef RAND_MAX
05:50:36ze#define RAND_MAX 65535
05:50:36zeint main(void) {
05:50:36ze int i;
05:50:39ze srandom(23);
05:50:41ze for (i=0;i<13;i++) printf("%i, ", random());
05:50:44ze printf("\n");
05:50:46ze exit(0);
05:50:49ze}
05:51:03zehmm i guess i can get rid of the ,
05:51:06zebut that still dosen't help anything
05:51:07zeheh
05:51:16midkHAHA
05:51:29midkwait um
05:51:31ze?
05:51:41midkyou're printing random 13 times then?
05:51:57zeyeah
05:52:10midkall in the same place....
05:52:12midkser,
05:52:14midkwait.
05:52:18ze1562469902 1039845534 2025653534 739593874 994290584 1198075102 605335584 563009619 1076425455 1979353639 1481705266 416282717 1502074844
05:52:19midkhaha.. nm.
05:52:45zesee the smallest one of those is >65535
05:52:45zeheh
05:52:54midkHAHAHA.
05:52:57midkthey are all HUGE.
05:53:47zeThe random() function uses a non-linear additive feedback
05:53:48ze random number generator employing a default table of size
05:53:48ze 31 long integers to return successive pseudo-random num-
05:53:48ze bers in the range from 0 to RAND_MAX.
05:54:10midkjust use rand
05:54:29zeThe versions of rand() and srand() in the Linux C Library
05:54:29ze use the same random number generator as random() and sran-
05:54:30ze dom()
05:54:37midkwell just try it
05:54:41midkand be surprised
05:54:42ze The rand() function returns a pseudo-random integer
05:54:42ze between 0 and RAND_MAX.
05:54:47midkRIGHT
05:54:49midkand random() doesn't.
05:54:55zeyes it does
05:54:57midkjust TRY IT you idiot
05:54:59midkTRY IT!
05:55:10midkdon't ask for my advice and reject it
05:55:21ze1562469902 1039845534 2025653534 739593874 994290584 1198075102 605335584 563009619 1076425455 1979353639 1481705266 416282717 1502074844
05:55:24zeheh
05:55:31zesee exactly the same
05:55:48midklet's see your definition of RAND_MAX
05:55:50midkpaste ALL the code.
05:56:01ze#include <stdio.h>
05:56:01ze#include <stdlib.h>
05:56:01ze#include <math.h>
05:56:01ze#undef RAND_MAX
05:56:01ze#define RAND_MAX 65535
05:56:03zeint main(void) {
05:56:06ze int i;
05:56:09ze srand(23);
05:56:11ze for (i=0;i<13;i++) printf("%i ", rand()); //-((pow(2,16)/2)-1));
05:56:14ze printf("\n");
05:56:16ze exit(0);
05:56:19ze}
05:56:40midkwhy is "23' your seed?
05:56:45zewhy not?
05:56:50midka likely story...
05:57:01midkyou haven't initialized int i.
05:57:05ze23 just seems like a good random number
05:57:10zesure i did
05:57:13zei=0;
05:57:14midkthat's what they all say
05:57:15zein the for
05:57:15zeheh
05:57:30midkwhy are you passing 0 to "exit"?
05:57:41zewhy not?
05:57:51midkwhy not "45296"?
05:58:04zewell because 45296 would be an error
05:58:05zeheh
05:58:19zenon-zero returns are regarded as errors, aren't they?
05:58:20zelemme see
05:58:27midkit was an easy question, anyways
05:58:28ze> ./randomstuffs && echo blah
05:58:28ze1562469902 1039845534 2025653534 739593874 994290584 1198075102 605335584 563009619 1076425455 1979353639 1481705266 416282717 1502074844
05:58:31zeblah
05:58:31zeyeah there see
05:58:45zesince ./randomstuffs returned successful, echo blah ran
05:58:45zeheh
05:58:55midkto be serious now.. try %d instead of %i
05:59:05zewhy
05:59:10midkSTFU AND DO IT!
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06:00:44ze1562469902 1039845534 2025653534 739593874 994290584 1198075102 605335584 563009619 1076425455 1979353639 1481705266 416282717 1502074844
06:00:50zehey! look at that!
06:00:51zeit's...
06:00:54zethe same!
06:01:10midkOF COURSE, here's the problem
06:01:12midkyou DIPSHIT.
06:01:18zeheh
06:01:22midk#define RAND_MAX 65535
06:01:29midkthe max an int can hold is 32768
06:01:35midkif you give it more than that it fucks u[/
06:01:36midkup*
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06:01:51zeheh
06:01:56zewell um lets see
06:01:59LinusNwhy do you redefine RAND_MAX?
06:02:03zean unsigned 32bit int...
06:02:10midkoh, linus has it.
06:02:13zecan hold up to 4294967295
06:02:19zeyeah thats what i was just thinking
06:02:30zei should multiply the result of rand by a factor to scale it or something right?
06:03:14LinusNsomething like that
06:03:46LinusNRAND_MAX is not something you control, it informs you about the range
06:03:54zei guess if i devide it by 65537
06:05:40LinusNyes, you divide it by (RAND_MAX/my_max)
06:06:28zeah ok
06:06:36LinusNmy_random_value = rand() / (RAND_MAX / my_max_value);
06:06:54midki knew it! ;)
06:07:01midkjust what i was telling ze before you popped in.
06:07:07ze:p
06:07:12zeLinusN: thanks
06:07:32LinusNyou're welcome
06:07:45ze14915 -1034 29051 -10197 -2424 3795 -14294 -15586 82 27638 12451 -20064 13072
06:07:49zeyeah thats more like it
06:08:16LinusNnegative numbers...
06:08:54zeso if RAND_MAX is defined as (2^sizeof(int)/2)-1 why does rand return 0 to RAND_MAX and not -RAND_MAX to RAND_MAX
06:08:58zeheh
06:09:08zei guess that way it makes sure you don't get anything out of range either way
06:09:37zebut what if you want it to go the whole way for an unsigned int
06:09:47zeLinusN: yeah i engineered it that way
06:09:57ze(rand()/(RAND_MAX/65535))-32767
06:10:24zeit's to be added into signed 16bit data
06:11:45LinusNi see
06:13:05LinusNgotta go
06:13:10midkseeya linus
06:13:15zebye
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06:13:20zeso hmm now why am i getting a floating point exception
06:13:21zeheh :p
06:13:36midkshould have listened to me in the first place
06:13:51ze:p
06:14:52zeoh gotta get rid of that old RAND_MAX stuff heh
06:15:20zesee if that helps
06:15:24zeah yeah
06:16:49zehmm
06:16:57zemaybe i shouldn't have so big of random values though :p
06:17:20midkwhat is this for?
06:17:30zethat lowbit
06:17:46midkwow.. whatever... :D
06:17:52ze?
06:17:56midknothing.
06:21:19zeguess what
06:21:22zeadding random noise to it
06:21:26zedoesn't really smooth it out any :p
06:21:33midkHAHA
06:21:39midkwow.. you're true genius
06:23:29midk-true+pure
06:23:39zeheh
06:24:59zewell the roughness is cause like
06:25:08zethere's only the 5 or 6
06:25:09zeor whatever
06:25:14zelike steps
06:25:16zefor the amplitude
06:25:25zeso adding in random noise at the end
06:25:34zeadds more variance to the amplitudes
06:25:46zebut it's still random noise so it doesn't really help
06:25:46zeheh
06:25:49midk-2 -1 0 1 2 = 5.
06:25:51midknot 6.
06:25:58zeright well
06:26:12*midk hits ze on the head for being inadequate at math
06:26:16zeyou sure it's not like -2 -1 0 1 2 3
06:26:16ze?
06:26:16zeheh
06:26:30midki am sure. you said the range was 0 +- 2
06:26:40zeno i said it's times 0.00007
06:26:41zeheh
06:27:23midkand you also said it ends up at 0 +- 2
06:27:30zewell
06:27:34ze>> 32768*0.00007 = 2.29376
06:27:39zeso yeah i guess
06:27:39zeheh
06:27:49midkexactly.
06:27:58midkhmm. maybe i should doom some more.
06:28:03elinenbe?
06:28:33midkhi there
06:29:25zeso
06:29:29zehow could i actually smooth it out
06:29:46midkdon't bump the shitty factor up so much in the first place?
06:29:52midkmake the range like 0 +- 5
06:29:58zeheh
06:30:26zewell that'd be a factor of 0.00016
06:30:27zebut
06:30:30zeit won't help
06:30:51zecause it gets those artifacts even if it's got 256 steps
06:30:54ze(i.e. 8bit)
06:30:56zeheh
06:31:00midkegh. shhh.
06:31:50zeit's gotta be done with such a shit factor and then smoothed after
06:31:51zeheh
06:32:19midksmooth it over then!
06:32:22zehow though
06:32:45midkjust do it.
06:32:51zemaybe if i add or multiply it against a sinus wave... heh but what frequency/amplitude? and would that even do any good
06:32:55zeheh
06:32:55midksmooth_it_out(please, true);
06:32:58midkjust try it.
06:33:00zeheh :p
06:33:03midkTRY it.
06:33:17zei gotta cut my nails
06:33:24midkooh, how on-topic and interesting
06:33:30midk(toenails or fingernails?)
06:33:33midk*cough*
06:38:39zefingernails
06:38:50midkhmm. i take it you're doing nothing?
06:38:56*midk rubs hands together
06:40:44midkoh crap.. i forgot to ask linus about his raw button reading.. :
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09:02:28Madmani have a question for one of you guys
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09:03:35Madmanwhat is recorder v2?
09:03:50Madmani have a recorder 20 and i dont see that on the site any more
09:04:00Madmanat least on the daily builds
09:04:57scott666its the second column on the daily builds page
09:05:03midkuy... read the faq please
09:05:08scott666recorder
09:05:11midkhttp://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/faq.html#74
09:06:50Madmanthanks midk
09:07:12Madmani read the faq, i just didnt read until 74
09:07:32midkright.. there is also a search feature on the page if you need help
09:07:39Madmanthanks
09:07:41midkan alternative is to use ctrl+f to find text on the page
09:08:27Madmanby the way, i have used about 5 different daily builds since july 25th, and i have notice no bugs
09:08:39Madmani really like the new feature
09:08:40Madmans
09:10:18midk:)
09:10:43Madmanthe only problem i have had with it might be my error
09:11:21Madmanim not sure though... Every time i plug it into my XP comp, it loads the usb fine...
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09:11:55Madmanbut i cant transfer any files without it saying, "cannot transfer: File path is too deep"
09:12:12midkhmm...
09:12:17midknever heard of any error like that
09:12:27Madmanbut it works perfect on my win 2000 comp
09:12:32Madmanneither had i
09:12:56Madmani dont think it has anything to do with your builds though
09:13:22Madmancause if it did, it probably wouldnt work on my win 2000 comp either
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09:15:43Madmanis there supposed to be a search feature in the recorder 20?
09:16:26midkye
09:16:36Madmanhow do you use it?
09:16:49midk You are being CTCP flooded from Madman, ignoring *!*@69.111.79.28
09:16:52midk?
09:17:34Madmani think i clicked something too many times cause my comp froze
09:17:45midkhaha
09:18:06Madmanoops
09:18:10midkhmm anyways... just go to any file, hold on, hit play, choose open with, and choose "Search"
09:18:24midkput in your text and hit ok. it will dump the results to the current dir in a playlist file
09:19:13*Madman is testing
09:20:27Madmanoh cool
09:21:41Madmando you know of a way to put spaces when using the keyboard? that would be helpful when naming folders
09:22:09midkyes.. choose a blank spot.
09:22:57Madmanoh yeah, i knew that, its late... im making myself sound stupid
09:23:16Madmanok, here is a better question, a more educated one
09:23:38Madmansay i named a folder
09:23:49Madmanfalder instead of folder
09:23:59midkyeah
09:24:01midkon_l/r
09:24:05midkon + left/right
09:24:08midkmoves the cursor
09:24:22Madmanis there a way to change the a without deleting the whole word?
09:24:50Madmanchange the letter
09:24:54Madman*
09:25:40midkyes. i just told you how.
09:27:01Madmancool, its 12:30 where i am
09:27:17Madmani cant think straight
09:27:27Madmanbut thanks for putting up with me
09:28:26Madmanby the way, your firmware is 1000 times better than Archos'
09:29:13Madmanill leave you alone now...
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09:30:05midkoops
09:30:06midkok bye
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11:32:33midkze?!
11:32:43zemid?
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11:32:55midkdid you get your wiffy card set up?
11:33:39zei haven't got the OS setup on there yet
11:33:40zeso no
11:33:40zeheh
11:33:52midkwtf is a wiffy card?
11:33:52zei just got partition magic running on there
11:34:02zeso i juggle around the data thats on the drives
11:34:03zei dunno
11:34:06zeit's a wifi card i got
11:34:13midkwiffy != wifi
11:55:33zeok
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11:55:37zeso whats a wiffy card?
11:55:55midkdunno. are you busy?
11:56:00zeof course
11:56:15midk:\
11:56:18midkdoing what?>
11:56:38zetrying to copy these old partitions to a different drive
11:56:57midkwow, you sure sound busy/
11:57:03midkgah. -/+.
11:57:05zeyeah
11:57:24zepartition magic is lame and won't give me the option of copying linux ext2 partitions
11:57:45midkLAHAHA
11:58:01zealthough they did recognize the importance of being able to copy a linux swap partition, and does give the options for that
11:58:06ze:p
11:58:40midkHAHA
11:58:40midkWTF.
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19:05:51dstar5anyone speak in german here?
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20:08:24zeekoehi
20:10:20zeekoewaddayawant
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20:23:38tpelliottI have a stupid question: What does AW at the beginning of the subjuct line of a post mean?
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21:48:12midkjdeon, around?
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22:27:34Heil_Erisdstar5: ich spreche deutsch ;)
22:28:50dstar5Heil_Eris, i wish i did! what does HAUt mean? small?
22:29:57Heil_Erisdstar5: Haut?
22:30:04dstar5Heil_Eris, yes
22:30:24Heil_Erisdstar5: small - no Haut= means Skin
22:31:07dstar5humm makes no sence to me i wish itai snakhead had write that where i understood it :)
22:31:51dstar5Heil_Eris, are there any other meaning it could have?
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22:33:34Heil_Erisno "Haut" is skin
22:33:50dstar5humm
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22:33:58Heil_Erisdstar5: sure that it is not a mistake in typing?
22:34:32dstar5http://rockbox.haxx.se/apps/plugins/mosaique.c
22:34:38dstar5#define HAUT 31
22:34:43dstar5don't think so...
22:35:14dstar5it could be skin.. but does not make a whole lot of sense to me
22:36:11Heil_Erisdstar5: hmmm interessting ;) aks the developer but Haut is Skin in germany
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22:44:32midkhey bagder
22:44:53midkgood timing - i wanted to point out the win32sim rocks haven't been updated since july 20
22:45:02Bagderevening
22:45:12midkapparently all the other rocks are building and zipping just fine
22:46:26BagderI don't understand
22:46:58dstar5http://rockbox.haxx.se/auto/build-recorder/rocks.zip < not updated
22:47:10midkuh
22:47:11midkwin32 sim
22:47:22midkhttp://rockbox.haxx.se/auto/build-recordersimwin32/rocks.zip < not updated
22:47:23Bagderwhy would anyone use that package?
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22:47:37dstar5who knows :)
22:47:38midki was going to take a couple new clock screenshots
22:47:48dstar5i really think the sims should not be on the page anymore
22:49:33Bagderno longer in the bleeding edge box
22:51:03midk:\
22:51:32dstar5cool :)
22:56:26dstar5Bagder, your http://daniel.haxx.se/talklikeme.cgi? page is cool :)
22:56:52dstar5pardon me you take a walk later GNU modem.
22:57:02Bagderhehe
22:57:10Bagdervery advanced AI in there
22:59:16dstar5all it is is a collection of words? and just picks a few random ones?
22:59:22Bagderyes
22:59:27dstar5is there any sorting of them?
22:59:33dstar5like nouns.. verbs?
22:59:48Bagderit has some "normal" ones and some "techy" ones and it mixes them
22:59:54dstar5ohh
22:59:57dstar5neat
22:59:58BagderI don't remember exactly how
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23:00:16dstar5that should be my first php project :)
23:00:36Bagder:-)
23:12:00dstar5Bagder, still use amiga anymore?
23:12:17dstar5i was playing with UAE today, quite interesting
23:12:18Bagderoh no, been many years since
23:12:44dstar5i am quite confised by it also :)
23:13:00dstar5i can't figure out how to close some windows in the workbench
23:13:12dstar5they do not have that icon that closes them
23:13:13Bagderheh
23:13:26dstar5and i can find no command to close them (exit, quit....)
23:13:32dstar5how do you do it?
23:13:50BagderI don't know
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23:16:08amiconnhi all
23:16:27Bagderhi
23:16:33dstar5hi amiconn
23:16:51amiconndstar5: You don't get some windows to close?
23:16:56amiconn;-)
23:17:03dstar5amiconn, how? :)
23:17:24amiconnWhich ones? And what WB version do you use?
23:17:41dstar51.3
23:17:51amiconn:( Current is 3.9
23:17:57dstar5like the talk program, those two windows that open, how do i remove them?
23:18:19dstar5(that talk program is quite amasing btw! for those years...)
23:18:52amiconnSorry, no idea. The time I used 1.3 is looong over
23:19:03dstar5heh
23:19:27dstar5what kickstart version is newest?
23:19:39amiconnLatest (rom) kickstart is 3.1
23:20:42dstar5ok
23:20:47dstar5i should get that
23:21:37amiconnI don't even have WB 1.3 laying around - the oldest I have is 3.0, originally supplied with my A4000 back in 1994
23:23:11dstar5wow :)
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23:31:06amiconndstar5: If you plan to use WinUAE for (older) Amiga games, kickstart 1.3 should be the most compatible version. However, if you want to try newer games and/ or apps, you should use kickstart 3.1 with wb >= 3.1
23:31:26zeekoeamiconn: are you guiding him on WinUAE too, now? ;-)
23:31:52amiconnzeekoe: Only a few tips from an Amigan ;-)
23:31:57zeekoe:-P
23:32:09zeekoetoday i built ppjoy
23:32:15zeekoeit's cool :-P
23:32:21amiconn??
23:32:30zeekoenow i can use my old amiga joystick connected to the parallel port
23:32:39amiconnAh ok
23:32:41zeekoeto play old amiga games when i was 10 years old or so
23:32:43zeekoe:-P
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23:54:31dstar5see you all :) :)
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23:54:49Smoothbye
23:54:57midkwow, nice reflexe
23:55:02midkreflexes, rather.
23:56:26Smoothok#
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