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#rockbox log for 2004-08-13

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01:18:23dstar5bye bye me going to get a 44oz soda and go home :)
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02:50:52ZaneYO Can anbody help me?
02:51:39midkwhat you're doing really is asking permission to ask a question... perhaps it's best to just ask the question instead
02:51:51midkso possibly, without the actual question, no, i can't help you
02:51:51Zanegook
02:51:52Zaneok
02:53:01ZaneI flashed my Fm Recorder to Version 2.2 and now i want to upgrade the firmware to a higer version... i dl the new version of firmware and i put it in the root folder
02:53:18midkwhat file? ajbrec.ajz you put in the root?
02:53:21Zanei than reboot the unit
02:53:24Zaneand it goes back to 2.2
02:53:29Zaneand yes in the root folder
02:53:41Zaneyes ajbrec.ajz
02:53:45midki'm really asking, was it ajbrec.ajz
02:53:48 Join Ka [0] (~tkirk@pcp04776551pcs.howard01.md.comcast.net)
02:53:49midkhmm, ok, instead you need "rockbox.ucl"
02:54:10Zaneok and put that where
02:54:53midkanywhere
02:54:55midkroot is fine
02:55:00midkand run it, like you'd run an mp3
02:55:19Zaneok il do that gime sec
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02:59:06Zanei click play on the .ucl file and nothing happens
02:59:49Zanewait
02:59:50Zanenvm
02:59:57Zanenow it is goin to flash again
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03:00:48Zaneshould i flash it again?
03:05:10Zaneu there bro?
03:06:05midkback
03:06:07midksorry!
03:06:12midkyeah, flash it again
03:06:25Zaneok i did and it still loads the same version?
03:06:28midkthis flash is safe, as there is a workaround assuming it does fail (but it almost definitely won't)
03:06:33midkshould load the new one
03:06:52Zanehmm should i put the new file in there b4 i flash it?
03:06:52midkare you sure you got today's ucl? and you hit "f2" to flash when it asked?
03:07:11midkok listen up, here's what you should do
03:07:17midkget a new daily build ZIP from the daily builds page
03:07:24midkextract all of it to your archos
03:07:33midkrun the ajbrec.ajz that will be in root (it will be for today's build)
03:07:41Zaneok gime sec
03:07:46midkwhen you finish that, go into .rockbox and run "rockbox.ucl"
03:07:52midkhit f2 when it asks, wait a sec, and you should be done
03:07:59midkreboot and you'll have the new version
03:08:35Zaneok download a daily builds
03:08:47midkyup, extract all to the archos
03:08:51Zaneok
03:08:58Zaneis the newest one the best?
03:09:03midkyeah
03:09:06Zaneok
03:09:11midkwell it's the newest.. :)
03:09:35Zanehehe
03:09:39Zaneok its all on mp3 player
03:09:51midkok, play on the new ajbrec.ajz in the root
03:10:13Zaneok so rolo to the new version and than run that file?
03:10:18midkyup
03:10:26midk /.rockbox/rockbox.ucl
03:11:03Zaneok its done
03:11:11midkreboot
03:11:14Zaneok
03:11:22Zaneoo ur good
03:11:23midkshould be CVS-20040812
03:11:26midk:]
03:11:33Zanethank u much
03:11:38midkno problems
03:11:41Zanei have been tryin all da
03:11:50midkhaha, anything else you need come right on backl
03:11:52midkback*
03:11:53Zanehad to deal with the dir full stuff and all that
03:11:55Zaneok i will
03:11:58Zanethank u
03:12:01midkah, yeah, sucks
03:12:03midknp again
03:12:07Zanewhat about this ask webmaster to register it
03:12:09Zanethis chat thing
03:12:19midkhmm
03:12:25midkit doesn't really matter
03:12:27midkonly you see it
03:12:31midkbut if you want grab an irc client
03:12:37midki'd suggest xchat (xchat.org)
03:12:42midka lot prettier
03:12:48midkand easier
03:12:50Zanelol that wat u use?
03:12:53midkyeah
03:13:02Zanewww.xchat.org
03:13:04Zaneright?
03:13:11midkyeah
03:13:23midkat the upper right you should click 2.0.10c for windows
03:13:23Zanekool
03:13:35Zaneok il do that when i get on my own computer
03:13:40Zanedam u people are alot of help
03:13:53midk:)
03:14:11Zaneu mind if i ask a few questions?
03:14:21midknope
03:14:25Zanei just got my archos back from repari so im lost on all the new rockbox shitff
03:14:28Zanestuff*
03:14:33Zanewats bookmarking?
03:14:47midkyou can record your current position in a song
03:14:59Zanekool
03:15:08midkif you choose "create bookmark" it will make a marker that includes the current location in the song and the repeat/shuffle modes
03:15:23midkthen when you play it again, or the bookmark, you get a screen asking if you want to resume to that bookmark(s)
03:15:34Zanekool so u can like save
03:15:37Zanewhere u are?
03:16:02midkseattle, washington
03:16:09Zanekool
03:16:13ZaneChicago, IL
03:16:36Zanehow u set up that voice thing if u dont mind telling me.
03:17:16midkhmm
03:17:21midkhttp://rockbox.haxx.se/voice
03:17:31Zaneok does that have it all?
03:17:36Zanehow to do it?
03:17:41midkiirc
03:17:54midkhttp://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceFiles
03:18:03midkit's right on the page
03:18:08Zanekool
03:18:08midkthere's a link near the top
03:18:13midk"learn how"
03:18:18Zaneok
03:18:23Zanethank u much
03:18:26midkno problem
03:18:31midkthere are diff voices etc
03:18:35midkyou can find one you like i guess
03:18:38Zanekool
03:18:38Zanelol
03:18:47Zanea few more questions
03:19:00midkladies, men, deep, high pitched haha
03:19:02midkgo on
03:19:17Zanewat does battery_test do
03:20:49midkhmm, actually not sure, but there is info at the wiki
03:21:01midkat the site, click "wiki" at the left, and click "CategoryPlugins"
03:21:07midkthere is a description of each plugin available
03:21:16midkerr
03:21:24midk"PluginIndex", not "CatergoryPlugins"
03:21:42Zaneahh i never knew wat wiki stood for so i never went there
03:21:59midkwiki is an open source type documentation system
03:22:05midkwhere anyone can contribute to it freely
03:22:37Zaneo
03:22:39Zaneic
03:22:55Zanethank u much 4 ur help bro could not of done it with out u
03:23:39midkno problems at all
03:25:29Zanenow to try to work with that voice thing
03:25:42midkgood luck, it's sort of easy really
03:27:33Zanelol i give up lol im goin to customize a wps
03:27:53midkah, yeah, more fun :D
03:28:06Zanemuch more
03:28:43Zanehow do u lock keys?
03:28:49Zanedont feel like serchin help file
03:29:05midkf1+down
03:29:07midkat the wps
03:30:26Zanekk
03:30:27Zanethank u
03:31:11midksure
03:32:06Zanewhere can i find the default wps?
03:32:42midkin your .rockbox dir i think
03:33:02Zanehmm i dont think there is one because its not htere
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03:36:36Zanethere
03:37:28midk?
03:37:34Zanehow can i see a estimate time life on battery
03:37:36midkwell... it's at the wps page near the bottom
03:38:11midki really can't say. just guess. maybe 8h on the 1500mah, 10h on 1850 or so, 12h on 2200
03:38:43Zanehmm i get 12 hr
03:39:03Zanei thought there was a way 4 the firmware to tell how much left
03:39:26midkther eis
03:39:28midkthere is*
03:39:33midkmain menu, info, rockbox info.
03:39:55Zanekool
03:40:21Zaneand the default battery in a fm recorder is a 2200
03:41:49midkyeah
03:41:54Zanekool
03:43:22Zanewell im out il be back lata
03:43:34Zanethank u much
03:43:36midklater
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08:58:26dwihnoHi Jens! Maybe it's just me, but I havent experienced RLD for quite a while
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09:00:49amiconndwihno: Nice :) Is this while running "ordinary" daily builds (or own builds with the optimized ata compiled in)?
09:01:27dwihnoamiconn: I think it's just regular daily builds, or cvs I've checked out myself
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10:11:43midkhi Zagor
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10:15:10Zagorhi
10:31:04amiconn[IDC]Dragon: You asked for me yesterday?
10:31:23[IDC]Dragonhi, yes.
10:31:31[IDC]Dragon(trying to remember)
10:31:48[IDC]Dragonprobably about that broken box.
10:32:14[IDC]Dragonseems that the disk I/O is somehow broken
10:32:39[IDC]Dragonwhen I dump ROM/Flash, I get this stuck 0 bit every 8 KB
10:32:52[IDC]Dragonbut the ROM checksum is OK
10:33:27[IDC]Dragonmeaning, the box reads the memory correct, but on dik I get that problem
10:33:39[IDC]Dragons/dik/disk
10:34:01amiconnDid you try a different hd?
10:34:11[IDC]Dragonyes, same symptom.
10:34:48amiconnSame or different disk model?
10:35:18[IDC]Dragonreading seems to have problems, too, since rolo fails the checksum test, firmware_flash.rock reports bad CRC on the .bin file.
10:35:37[IDC]Dragona different, known good model.
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10:36:51[IDC]DragonCGIIRC is unstable today...
10:36:59amiconn[IDC]Dragon: Did you try a build without optimized ata?
10:37:13[IDC]Dragonno, I was using 2.2
10:37:31amiconnAh ok, this is supposed to have "old" ata code.
10:37:51[IDC]Dragonit's kind of hard to "try" a build on that box
10:38:20[IDC]Dragonwithout rolo, and .ucl flashing resulting in garbled data
10:38:22amiconnI wonder what max_multiple_sectors is (for both disks you tried). I guess it might be 16 (=8 K)
10:39:43amiconn[IDC]Dragon: Aren't you able to flash via uart (as I think you revived it that way)?
10:39:58[IDC]Dragonyes, this is the only way
10:40:26[IDC]Dragonfor a non 2.2 build, I'd have to assemble a .bin file
10:40:39amiconnAh, just wanted to ask that
10:41:09[IDC]Dragonmax_multiple_sectors is not shown in the debug info?
10:42:22amiconnNo it isn't, but it should be easy to add that info. If it is too difficult to get such a build into the bad box, you could try the disk(s) with another box then
10:43:41amiconnAnother thing I'd try (if it's not too difficult) would be using a current daily _with_ optimized ata
10:46:01[IDC]Dragonbut this is not fixing a hardware problem
10:47:01[IDC]Dragonthe original Archos software also fails to start an .ajz from disk, the owner says (I haven't checked so far)
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10:54:26[IDC]Dragonthis is no fun
10:54:43Zagorwhat's happening?
10:55:13[IDC]Dragonthe CGIIRC server I'm using seems unstable
10:57:53amiconn[IDC]Dragon: Of course this does not fix the hardware problem, but it may help to find out what's going on
10:58:18amiconnI wonder if the mp3 playback works, because the loaded mp3s will probably have these bit errors as well
10:58:19[IDC]DragonZagor: we get a lot of out-of-office replies into the list these days
10:58:35[IDC]Dragonall from one user
10:58:45[IDC]Dragonis there a way to filter that?
10:59:04[IDC]Dragon(probably not, if it's an ordinary reply)
10:59:34Zagori'm annoyed by it too. i think i'll bump him from the list
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11:00:42Zagordone
11:00:45[IDC]Dragonwe cant' tell him/her, while being away
11:00:51Zagorexactly
11:01:09Zagori'll just send a mail explaining why he has been unsubscribed
11:01:14Zagorto him, i mean
11:01:59[IDC]Dragonguess what the first answer will be... ;-)
11:02:18Zagoryeah, but at least it will be in his inbox. it's the civil thing to do.
11:02:30[IDC]Dragoncertainly.
11:02:42midk"out of office repplies"?
11:02:46Zagoryeah
11:02:46midkreplies*
11:03:42midkoh. where when you send a mail you get back "Sorry, this person is out of office, will be back xx,xx,xxxx" or such?
11:04:08Zagoryup. quite annoying when it is sent to mailing lists.
11:04:26midkah, correct
11:04:53[IDC]Dragonit can be a snowball effect, actually?
11:05:34Zagoryes. we're just lucky nobody else had such an autoresponse turned on.
11:05:41[IDC]Dragonbecause the out of office replies sent to the list are also sent to that person again, causing another reply, etc.
11:06:15Zagorthat can be filtered by the auto-responder. the hard part is other peoples' autoresponses...
11:08:12midkhm, it'd be great to have two people out of office - then one guy would auto reply to the other guy's auto reply
11:08:18midkperhaps that's what idc was suggesting
11:08:25midkand it'd go forever
11:09:54Zagoryes
11:10:34Zagorthat's why autoresponders are generally frowned upon by People Who Think
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11:11:19midki see, this means that zagor must have a brain... ;)
11:11:42Zagordon't be too sure :)
11:12:16midki knew it! idc is remote controlling you.. now to prove the theory... :]
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11:15:21Zagor[IDC]Dragon: why is it that you don't use a native irc client?
11:15:21[IDC]Dragonhi again :-(
11:15:30[IDC]Dragonfirewall
11:16:36Zagorok. i use an ssh tunnel out of the firewall i'm locked behind, but that requires an external host under your control.
11:17:22[IDC]DragonI know, but this would probably be called hacking here.
11:17:47[IDC]Dragonwe're allowed to use IE, that's pretty much it.
11:18:54[IDC]Dragonwould you mind setting up GCIIRC on haxx?
11:19:17Zagori can look at it
11:19:38[IDC]Dragonthat would be great, thanks!
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11:21:51[IDC]Dragonmatzz has set one up on his "home server", he said it's a piece of cake, but I can't use it properly.
11:22:28[IDC]Dragonthe input line is somehow off-screen with my browser, so I can't type, it's read only to me.
11:22:42[IDC]Dragonit works for him, though.
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11:24:45webguest23hehe, that was easy :)
11:24:57Zagoroff to lunch, then i'll set it up properly
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12:00:58amiconn[IDC]Dragon: Obviously Zagor is trying to set up CGIIRC
12:03:34[IDC]Dragonyes, saw that in the logs
12:03:57[IDC]Dragonand obviously he succeeded
12:04:55[IDC]Dragon5 minutes for "I'll look into it" to the login, impressive
12:10:37Zagor[IDC]Dragon: try this: http://rockbox.haxx.se/irc/cgiirc/irc.cgi
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12:14:11midkdahaha, hahaha, hahah... hah.... hh... ugh.
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12:14:33midkyay it's zaggy
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12:16:03Zagorhmm, not perfect
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12:21:49more_cgi_testthis seems to work
12:21:57more_cgi_testpretty neat script
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12:22:29midk2hi there people.
12:22:39more_cgi_testnot too bad, eh?
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12:23:22more_cgi_testgosh, it even has tabs :)
12:23:33midk2this'd be nice to replace that java irc client (perhaps)
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12:23:56more_cgi_testyeah
12:23:57midk2m
12:24:01midk2doesn't work.
12:24:02midk2grr
12:24:19Zagorno, you're locked to #rockbox. i don't want it to be used for generic irc use.
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12:24:58midkBOOO
12:25:02midker
12:25:04midkgood job zagor
12:25:10Zagor:)
12:25:34midk2yay hi.
12:25:43midkhi midk2
12:25:48midk2how are you midk?
12:25:56midkgood thanks
12:25:59midkdie now, DIE.
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13:10:45[IDC]Dragonanother test
13:11:07[IDC]Dragonfrom opera this time
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13:13:43amiconn[IDC]Dragon: Do you have problems with it? I tried it with Mozilla 1.7, 1.7, IE 6, Opera 7. All work perfectly
13:13:47midkhaving fun with a simple cgi script i see :]
13:14:06[IDC]DragonIE is not showing the input line
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13:14:56[IDC]Dragonit's the same problem like with matzz' CGIIRC
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13:28:53[IDC]Dragonam I still here?
13:29:01[IDC]Dragonseems so
13:29:15midkyou are indeed
13:29:22[IDC]Dragonthe loading state of the page looks a bit odd
13:31:55amiconn[IDC]Dragon: Iiuc the page has to stay in page mode, as cgiirc seems to use server push
13:34:54[IDC]Dragonhmm, tab completion doesn't work here
13:35:33[IDC]Dragoncorrection, it works sometimes
13:36:22[IDC]Dragonseems to take only the last letter
13:36:40[IDC]Dragonand use that to find a nich starting with that
13:36:48[IDC]Dragons/nich/nick
13:37:42amiconnThe reladm one works with IE? Strange. Did you compare the cgiirc versions?
13:40:54[IDC]Dragonthe one I was using is 0.5.2
13:41:01[IDC]Dragonhere we have 0.5.4
13:41:51Zagori tried with opera, mozilla and msie and it worked pretty good in all of them. best in msie, as that apparently is what the devs are using.
13:43:41[IDC]DragonI can use it with Opera7, but have issues with the tab completion, plus it seems not to auto-scroll
13:46:24amiconnI tried it with IE 5.5 and IE 5.01 in addition to the browsers mentioned earlier, also without problems
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13:50:05[IDC]Dragonmaybe it gets better whe we switch to IE6 soon
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13:50:16[IDC]Dragons/whe/when
13:50:42[IDC]Dragonhaving to scroll down all the time to see the latest is annoying
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13:50:48Zagoryeah
13:51:18[IDC]Dragonwith the 0.5.2 version I didn't have to do that
13:51:29Zagorfile a bug report ;)
13:51:42amiconn_cgi[IDC]Dragon: You are still using an old version of IE???
13:51:48[IDC]Dragondo you guys also have that?
13:52:11midknite
13:52:15[IDC]Dragonright now I use Opera7
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13:52:55amiconn[IDC]Dragon: What Windows & IE version do you have there?
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13:54:33zagor_test2testing
13:54:42webguest24more testing..
13:54:48zagor_test2interstingly, it seems to work better without javascript in opera
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13:56:03[IDC]Dragonamiconn: Win2K and IE5.5
13:57:12Zagori didn't have the scroll problem neither with or without javascript though
13:58:15[IDC]Dragongreat. It works for everybody besides me.
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14:02:01Zagor:)
14:02:22Zagorhave you tried without javascript? it's a little less flashy but works rather well
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14:10:45amiconn[IDC]Dragon: I observe the scrolling problem with Opera 7 too (7.22)
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14:11:01amiconn[IDC]Dragon: I observe the scrolling problem with Opera 7 too (7.22)
14:11:12[IDC]Dragon2it mandates JavaScript
14:11:44[IDC]Dragon27.23 here
14:11:59[IDC]Dragon2I'll try firefox one day
14:12:06[IDC]Dragon2no time now
14:13:04Zagorit detects javascript in the login screen. reload it without javascript (and upgrade your opera...)
14:13:17Zagor7.54 is the current version
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14:50:01[IDC]Dragon2I shoudn't use Opera here, it's not free for corporate use
14:50:14[IDC]Dragon2so I'll switch to Firefox
14:51:23Zagornice that they are not MS only, as many others
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15:00:13FireDragoninput line stays, yeah!#
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15:02:00FireDragonFireFox saved my day!
15:02:04Zagorgreat
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15:27:28amiconn[IDC]Dragon: Mozilla 1.7 does have the same completion bug as Opera (using the last char only). Does Firefox do that too? It works in IE 6...
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15:34:03[IDC]Dragonamiconn: Firefox also takes only the last char
15:34:31Zagoramiconn: is it different in msie?
15:34:46[IDC]Dragonwhat's wrong with Bagder?
15:34:58Zagorhis archos was stolen tonight
15:35:06Zagorlast night
15:35:07[IDC]Dragonohhhh
15:35:15[IDC]Dragonstolen?
15:35:38Zagoryup
15:35:51[IDC]Dragonunder what circumstances?
15:36:25amiconnZagor: Yes, in IE it uses all entered chars, in the right order
15:36:48Zagor[IDC]Dragon: take that with him next time. i don't know all the details.
15:39:19[IDC]Dragonjust noticed: in firefox, the input box is very short
15:39:52[IDC]Dragonas small as with the colors on
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15:51:01Zagori'm off. see you all.
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15:51:27amiconn_cgi_[IDC]Dragon: Same with Mozilla 1.7
15:52:02amiconn_cgi...but not with IE 6
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16:16:44amiconn[IDC]Dragon: wonder why you can't simply install that, since you obviously could install Firefox...
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16:40:30amiconn[IDC]Dragon: Strange: I now tried IE 5.5 on Win 2K Pro - works for me too
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16:40:43dstar5hey [IDC]Dragon
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16:41:21dstar5i sent the baord yesterday, and was said to be there in 4-7 days
16:46:59dstar5amiconn: is the vu meter patch going into rockbox soon? i amready to write documentation on it for twiki
16:57:02amiconndstar5: I still have to look into it. I'm currently doing extensive recording tests
16:57:55dstar5ohh
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17:10:11dstar5do i upload twiki docs in html?
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17:28:04[IDC]Dragondstar5: thank you very much for the board (I wan't paying attention to IRC)
17:28:21dstar5your welcome :)
17:28:24[IDC]Dragons/wan't/wasn't
17:31:00[IDC]Dragondstar5: how can I compensate you?
17:31:38dstar5nothing, it is a gift for spending so much time making stuff like the video player, and flashing, and everything :)
17:32:15[IDC]Dragondstar5: thanks again. the order is interesting.
17:33:38[IDC]Dragonjust curious: where did you get your new board?
17:35:08dstar5i got a new recorder on ebay
17:36:04[IDC]Dragonthat's more than a board?
17:36:52dstar5my old recorder had some problems with the top board, and LCD
17:37:31dstar5the LCD was quiting sometimes, and the button board had bad button, getting hard to press
17:38:51dstar5ohh and i could no longer change with it also
17:38:56dstar5the chip got fired
17:39:02dstar5*fried
17:58:23dstar5i have the doc ready for the vu meter in the patches
17:58:26dstar5http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/LeePilgrim
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18:02:42dstar5bye!
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19:00:23amiconn[IDC]Dragon: Are you around?
19:00:38[IDC]Dragonbarely, almost leaving
19:01:05amiconnAs you answered that question on the ml concerning rombox:
19:01:53amiconnUntil now, the only difference between building ordinary rockbox and rombox is the linking
19:02:11[IDC]Dragonyou want a compile flag, right?
19:03:01amiconnSo imho there should be an option in the configure script to optionally create rombox.ucl _in addition_ to ajbrec.ajz and rockbox.ucl
19:03:25[IDC]Dragonby linking it twice?
19:03:38[IDC]Dragongood idea
19:03:39amiconnSo the package would contaim both (and you need an .ajz anyway for flashing)
19:03:47amiconnYes, linking twice
19:03:47[IDC]Dragonyes
19:03:55amiconn*contain
19:04:23amiconnAnd no, I don't want a compile flag (yet)
19:04:41[IDC]Dragonphew
19:04:47[IDC]Dragonme neither
19:05:14amiconn(Although this might be of use if some critical timing has to be adapted to the slower instruction flow from rom)
19:09:12amiconnAnother thing that could cause problems with rombox: In case you ever decide to create new flash images with different start addresses, the linker script has to be adapted. If someone then mis-flashes an older rombox into a newer image or vice versa, it wouldn't run...
19:09:41[IDC]Dragonbut this is reversible
19:09:48amiconnyes of course
19:10:22[IDC]Dragonit will be an issue if we go for a mini emergency rockbox in the first part
19:10:59[IDC]Dragonbut before we consider that, the charging has to be bullet-proof
19:11:12[IDC]Dragonand the unformatted disk issue
19:11:19amiconnAlthough not a big one, because (imo) an emergency rockbox should try to load ajbrec.ajz by default
19:11:30[IDC]Dragoncertainly
19:11:44amiconnIirc the unformatted disk issue was fixed already
19:11:53[IDC]Dragonimho, it won't do much else
19:12:07[IDC]Dragonis fixed? well then
19:12:42[IDC]Dragonmini-rockbox should charge, have USB mode, and autostart ajbrec.ajz
19:13:36[IDC]Dragonno UI necessary
19:14:26amiconnImho it should give some basic feedback on screen (no fancy graphics or selectable fonts necessary)
19:14:41[IDC]Dragonindications, yes
19:15:56amiconnI wonder what the problem with the charging is - and why the power thread only checks state once every minute
19:16:21[IDC]Dragonthis is no "problem", it's by design
19:17:14amiconnThe former or the latter? And, I asked _why_
19:17:28[IDC]DragonI didn't write it...
19:17:51[IDC]Dragonit has a couple of flaws, imho
19:18:22amiconnSome time ago Linus said the power thread should be changed to check state more frequently - once every second iirc
19:18:54[IDC]Dragon1) if the charger is plugged in, it should be enabled from the start. If no charging is necessary, we can shut it of later. First assume, the user plugged it in for a reason.
19:19:21[IDC]Dragon2) if the HD is on, we should enable it, too, regardless of state
19:20:44[IDC]Dragon3) the algorithm itself looks overdrawn to me. We have no high current charger, can almost leave in on all the time without endangering the battery.
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19:21:28amiconnThe problem with (1) might be to check the battery state, since the charging current significantly changes the voltage (in an indeterministic way)
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19:21:59[IDC]Dragonyes, but from 3) you see it's not really critical.
19:22:54amiconnI can't agree to (3). Iirc the max charging current is 300 mA which is C/5 for the default 1500 mAh batteries. This is definitely too much to be absorbed by the overcharge protection within the cells
19:23:38[IDC]Dragon4) voltage measuremens are discarded when the HD is on. I think these are the most interesting ones, since the voltage is measured under load.
19:24:18[IDC]Dragonin 3) I said _almost_ ;-)
19:25:08[IDC]Dragoniirc, the Archos software of the player (which has no software charge control) switches on the HD to fight overcharge
19:25:31[IDC]DragonI don't think rockbox does that, too
19:25:47amiconnCertainly not an elegant solution...
19:26:14[IDC]Dragonbut a clever idea to overcom hardware shortcomings
19:26:47amiconnI thought the charging is _controlled_ in hardware by the players, so overcharging would be prevented by a chip?
19:28:19[IDC]DragonI'm not sure what kind of circuit that is
19:32:34*[IDC]Dragon is leaving
19:32:43[IDC]Dragoncu later
19:32:48[IDC]Dragon(not today)
19:33:06amiconnbye [IDC]Dragon
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22:06:30miner49erHey there! Anyone ata ll familer with the Multimedia or more specifically the backlight wich is a CCFL lamp?
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