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#rockbox log for 2004-08-27

00:00:06amiconnWarning: found encoding values in non-sorted order (not an error).
00:00:16bagawk[IDC]Dragon: yes that works
00:00:37[IDC]Dragonamiconn: this is from convbdf
00:00:53amiconn[IDC]Dragon: Ah, yes. Could we get rid of it?
00:01:04[IDC]Dragonyou can ignore it, I have to fix this part
00:01:11bagawkdrivers/lcd-recorder.c: In function `lcd_putsxyofs':
00:01:11bagawkdrivers/lcd-recorder.c:411: warning: initialization discards qualifiers from poi
00:01:11bagawknter target type
00:01:32amiconnbagawk: Yep, I'll commit fix in a moment
00:02:32amiconn[IDC]Dragon: Is it correct that bits_size within struct font is not needed (and not generated by convbdf either)?
00:03:12[IDC]Dragonyes, does it still exist somewhere?
00:03:26amiconnIt was still in font.h ...
00:03:47amiconnThis caused the "missing initializer" warning
00:04:15[IDC]Dragonthe binary format has it, we could store it, but nobody reads it
00:05:45amiconnFix committed.
00:06:19[IDC]Dragonthanks. does it still work?
00:06:49[IDC]Dragon(I had to do the dishes during the last half hour, before I came back)
00:07:36amiconnIt does (only tested with internal font so far, just rebuilding the fonts)
00:08:03[IDC]Dragonis there a script to rebuild them?
00:08:43 Quit AciD (Connection timed out)
00:08:57amiconnmake zip, then extract the fonts you want
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00:10:22[IDC]Dragonah, yes
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00:10:58amiconnWorks perfectly.. :-)
00:11:15[IDC]Dragongreat
00:11:27[IDC]Dragondid you compare the size?
00:11:37amiconnJeez, the new font format takes _less_ than half the space!
00:11:42[IDC]Dragon(fonts + ajz)
00:13:37*amiconn is looking for his charger
00:14:10*lImbus_ slaps lImbus a few times
00:14:55lImbus_wenn es denn mal praktisch wäre, will der http-tunnel nicht verrecken
00:15:09bagawkwow
00:15:12bagawk:)
00:15:16amiconnBinary size decreased 2976 bytes :-)
00:15:28bagawksweetness!
00:15:40[IDC]Dragonabout what I expected, nice
00:16:04amiconnWe could decrease the font buffer size too...
00:16:17[IDC]Dragonbagawk: who are you? the nick doesn't sound familiar to me
00:16:30bagawk[IDC]Dragon: i am lee (aka dstar5)
00:16:36[IDC]Dragonah
00:16:37bagawknew nick :)
00:16:46[IDC]Dragonvery confusing
00:18:08zeekoelImbus_: just ghost lImbus
00:18:16bagawkdstar5 was getting _very_ old
00:18:26bagawki had been using since i was 5 or so
00:19:03*lImbus_ ghosts lImbus
00:19:25lImbus_zeekoe: does not work
00:19:52zeekoelImbus_: are you doing it correctly?
00:20:01zeekoei was able to ghost even myself
00:20:07lImbus_show me / teach me
00:20:16zeekoe/msg nickserv ghost lImbus [password]
00:20:18bagawkamiconn: how much buffer is there for mpeg now?
00:20:31lImbus_'/ghost results in => unknown command
00:20:40bagawkmy personel build had 1.815 before this
00:20:51zeekoei learnt it from... uh.. dunno who.. someone on this channel
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00:20:59zeekoe:)
00:21:03lImbusheyyyy
00:21:05bagawkzeekoe: me?
00:21:10zeekoeuh.. maybe
00:21:16amiconnbagawk: It depends on how you set the limits. I have 1.802 MB now, before it was 1.799 MB
00:21:19zeekoeor maybe just nickserv help
00:21:23lImbuszeekoe, nice, thanks
00:21:27zeekoenp :)
00:22:10bagawkamiconn: my size was mostly due to a few thigns i removed/changed in rockbox, my limts are 3000 playlist, 250 dir
00:25:17lImbusmsg logbot seen zeekoe
00:25:21lImbusgrr
00:25:50bagawklol
00:26:00bagawkare you blind?
00:26:07zeekoelol
00:26:12zeekoe>logbot< seen zeekoe
00:26:12zeekoe-logbot- Yeah, I see you. Boy, you're ugly ;)
00:26:26lImbussomething has changed with my irc-client. it does not bold my name if somebody calls me, neither is he opening separate windows for queries.
00:27:05lImbusSaying that: Is there ANY woman here ? I mean not even sometimes ?
00:27:39bagawki think there is that one person on the mail ist is...
00:27:46bagawkCristi or so
00:28:07zeekoeshe is here sometimes too
00:28:19lImbussure. the nice voice with the windows installer ;-)
00:28:31lImbusi'm using her english_uk-voice file
00:28:34bagawkwhat is her nick?
00:28:38zeekoehm
00:28:52zeekoeChristiS.. or Christi-S... but logbot doesnt know
00:29:04bagawki did try her voice font, buti got tired of voice fonts after a week lol
00:29:25amiconnThat's apparently because logbot was restarted to fix the empty logs problem
00:29:25lImbusyeah, logbot had some amnesy I heard of ;-)
00:29:30zeekoebesides, Christi, nobody else, i think
00:29:39lImbuspoor
00:29:39[IDC]Dragonamiconn: fix for convbdf committed
00:29:53bagawk>logbot< explain LinusN
00:29:53bagawk-logbot- *Shrug* I don't know
00:30:12lImbuswoha. that's hard !
00:30:56bagawkhumm the xplain does not work for any nick anymore :(
00:31:00bagawk*explain
00:32:08[IDC]Dragonamiconn: you got the builds green again
00:32:44amiconnyup.
00:34:10[IDC]Dragonbtw, convbdf now uses the exact same rotation function I now removed from font.c
00:34:20amiconn:)
00:34:45[IDC]Dragonso, nothing got lost ;)
00:35:44[IDC]Dragonwe're 3 KB away from ROMbox on the "real" FM
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00:38:28amiconnHmm. Did you already spot something where we could gain those 3K ?
00:38:32amiconn;)
00:38:56[IDC]Dragonnot really. obsolete debug stuff?
00:39:35bagawkyes
00:39:37[IDC]Dragona while ago, I was bouncing ideas with Linus
00:39:44bagawkthat what i had mentionsed a while ago
00:40:05[IDC]Dragonthe bookmark code is also quite large for what it does
00:40:29[IDC]Dragonthis may leave room for improvements
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00:44:52[IDC]Dragonsourcing out some debug stuff into plugin(s) is also an option
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00:50:55zeekoehow about the recording_as_plugin?
00:50:59zeekoeor...
00:51:00zeekoehey
00:51:09zeekoewhat if recording would be compressed?
00:51:21zeekoeand then decompressed into ram before recording was started?
00:51:35zeekoethat way the recording bug is "fixed" too :-)
00:51:39lImbusthen rather make a FM_but_not_record_build
00:52:23amiconnzeekoe: (1) recording is tightly integrated within the kernel. (2) the recording bug is fixed already
00:52:34zeekoeis it?
00:52:36zeekoenice
00:52:37zeekoehow?
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00:53:38amiconnzeekoe: see http://rockbox.haxx.se/ cvs log, 23 Aug 23:05
00:54:28zeekoenice work!
00:54:57zeekoeand how about the corrupt frames?
00:55:07amiconnLinus discovered this (but then he wrote the recording in the first place). I fixed & tested
00:55:14zeekoeok
00:55:17zeekoecool
00:55:58[IDC]Dragonjust uploaded the latest to my box, with fonts. I find several not working! :(
00:56:20amiconnThe corrupt frames need further investigation. Perhaps it isn't caused by the recording itself, maybe the filesystem has a bug (Linus also suspects this)
00:56:35amiconn[IDC]Dragon: Which ones?
00:56:56[IDC]Dragon00-starmap
00:57:14[IDC]Dragon5*8
00:57:29[IDC]Dragon6*9
00:57:50[IDC]Dragonatari-small
00:58:07[IDC]Dragonchicago-12
00:58:53amiconnOoops. This looks rather funny ;-/
00:59:21[IDC]DragonX5*8
00:59:32[IDC]DragonX6*9
00:59:42[IDC]Dragonthat's it
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01:00:44[IDC]Dragonthe interesting thing is that we can use some new fonts, which were > 9KB before
01:03:57amiconnHmm. What is special about these fonts?
01:04:47[IDC]DragonI will have a look tomorrow
01:05:27[IDC]DragonI suspect out-of order char ordering, size mismatch or something
01:06:41zeekoehm.. i think i should go to sleep
01:06:55zeekoesee you
01:07:00[IDC]Dragoncu
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01:09:48[IDC]Dragonoops, that late
01:10:00*[IDC]Dragon has to sleep, too
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01:23:31lImbussleepy too, I'm off
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01:59:05amiconnArrrrrghhh!!!
01:59:35scott666_whats wrong amiconn?
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02:00:39amiconnLooking for the font bug [IDC]Dragon introduced. I found it, fixed it locally (at least I thought so), and wondered why the umlauts etc. only work for some fonts
02:00:49amiconnThis was my braindead thinking....
02:18:44amiconnIt does work now :)
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02:46:20amiconnYeah, all builds green :)
02:47:01*amiconn does need some sleep too
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07:23:17webguest57heya all
07:23:51 Nick webguest57 is now known as Smaug (~410ba532@labb.contactor.se)
07:24:06Smauganyone 'round?
07:26:06Smaugoooooookay, assuming idle
07:26:24Smaughad to drop a note - re: RCA Lyra 2840 player
07:26:41Smaugthis player is a great candidate for a port of Rockbox, IMHO
07:27:04Smaugtheir firmware sucks and they can't seem to do much to improve it
07:27:19Smaughowever, in almost all other respects, this is a pretty solid player
07:27:35Smaugdownsides: lack of control implements
07:27:48Smaugand non-replaceable li-ion battery
07:28:32Smaugupsides: length of battery life; bright indiGLO display, 40GB capacity, USB 2.0 interface, removable-drive capability for WInME and above
07:29:36SmaugI'd be willing to trade mine to the group
07:29:49Smaugsans hard-drive, of course...
07:30:18Smaugfor a v1 Archos Recorder
07:30:23Smaugin working condition
07:30:36Smaugif any are interested..contact me:
07:30:42Smaugsmaug23666666@yahoo.com
07:30:48Smaugto arrange swap
07:30:53Smaugcheers
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08:43:17dwihnoWillkommen zurück! \o/
08:43:34midk /o\
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09:17:04midktime for bed, nite
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09:22:47amiconnZagor: logbot still doesn't work correctly - he can't "explain" anything, and obviously has amnesia if you use "seen"
09:36:13Zagoryes, i reinstalled so it forgot all old data. i have a backup though so i'll restore it soon
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09:39:17[IDC]Dragon'morning
09:39:47[IDC]Dragonamiconn: thanks for cleaning up after me
09:41:17amiconnnp
09:41:57[IDC]DragonI woke up with worries on how to debug and fix, but it's already done
09:42:27[IDC]Dragon(it's no good to go to bed late with half-broken code)
09:42:33amiconn;) I didn't want the daily build to contain an ugly bug
09:42:53[IDC]Dragonwell, it wasn't too ugly
09:43:03[IDC]Dragonthe "normal" fonts worked
09:43:53dwihnonew features?
09:44:03amiconn(away now)
09:44:10[IDC]Dragonbut there's wor left: the chicago12 font is still broken
09:44:14dwihnoaha.
09:44:17[IDC]Dragons/wor/work
09:44:18dwihnohow much does it save?
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09:44:44[IDC]Dragon~3KB of ROM and maybe 6 KB in RAM
09:44:50dwihnoYay!
09:45:13dwihnoGreat job!
09:45:27[IDC]Dragonplus, we could shrink the font buffer, since the fonts are only about half the size now
09:45:36amiconn[IDC]Dragon: If chicage12 is still broken, convbdf didn't get recompiled. It works for me
09:45:54[IDC]Dragonoops, you're right
09:46:07[IDC]Dragonit's not just the Rockbox code...
09:48:52Bagderyeps, most fonts will fit in 4K now
09:50:07Bagderin the current zip, only 3 fonts are bigger
09:50:22[IDC]Dragonthe really big ones are probably not useful anyhow
09:50:46[IDC]Dragonthey are just there because somebody found a .bdf, I guess
09:50:54BagderI believe so too
09:51:14BagderI say let's lower the buffer size to 4000
09:51:52dwihnoand remove the fonts
09:51:56dwihno(the biggest)
09:52:09Bagderthe buildzip script only includes fonts that fit
09:52:13dwihnoaaha
09:52:16dwihnosuper
09:52:16Bagdermagic!
09:52:20dwihnomagic! :D
09:52:22dwihnosupermagic!
09:52:33[IDC]Dragonyes, you added that recently
09:52:39Bagderyeps
09:52:48[IDC]Dragondo you take the limit from the code?
09:52:49BagderI found some really HUGE fonts in the zip ;-)
09:52:52BagderI do
09:53:01[IDC]Dragonnice
09:53:21Bagderso as long as the define is the same, it should work
09:53:39BagderI mean, the name of it
09:53:53[IDC]Dragonsure ;)
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09:59:13[IDC]Dragonisn't there some script that makes previews of the fonts?
09:59:22Bagderyes
09:59:26[IDC]Dragon(maybe we just broke that)
09:59:35BagderI think that uses the bdf
09:59:38[IDC]Dragonwhere and how does it work?
09:59:51[IDC]Dragonah, OK then
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10:00:16Bagderbdf2bmp is in tools
10:02:06*[IDC]Dragon looks at the font page
10:02:26[IDC]Dragonit's not automagically all the fonts, right?
10:02:43Bagderno
10:03:00Bagderthe page isn't using the CVS to get the fonts
10:03:08Bagdersince it was made before the fonts were added to cvs
10:03:28[IDC]Dragonthe links to bdfconv at the bottom are probably outdated now
10:03:55Bagdertrue
10:05:44[IDC]DragonI can send you a windows executable some time later today, if you like
10:06:34BagderI'm not sure we need to have links there
10:07:19[IDC]Dragonwell then
10:07:34Bagderif you reload the page, they're gone ;-)
10:11:54[IDC]DragonI see
10:12:13[IDC]Dragonthe tools dir is only for people who can compile
10:12:22Bagdertrue
10:12:32[IDC]Dragonwhich is not a necessary skill for a font designer
10:12:34Bagderbut veeeery few people bring their own bdf anyway
10:13:22[IDC]Dragonc u later
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10:51:57[IDC]Dragon5000 fresh bytes, haha!
10:52:03Bagder:-)
10:55:06[IDC]Dragonlots of savings from the new for format: 3kB const code, ~4kB RAM copy of font, 5 kB reduced buffer
10:55:58Bagdernicers
10:57:19[IDC]Dragondon't tell the buffer reduction to the list, or we end up with a config option
10:59:27Bagderhehe
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11:22:48Florian__anybody here willing to help a newbie in configuring an external usb drive (connected via pcmcia card) for suse 9.1? (it's almost like connecting an archos, i imagine)
11:24:48*[IDC]Dragon is a *ix illiterate
11:25:12Florian__same here ... :-(
11:25:37Florian__any idea for a channel where i might find help? ##linux, #suse won't help
11:28:53dwihnoYou got the pcmcia stuff up'n'running?
11:29:17Florian__think so ... found someone on #suse. thanks for your time!
11:50:45lImbusis the configure script able to create a rombox-build-dir ?
11:57:43[IDC]DragonlImbus: no
11:57:55[IDC]Dragonbut the procedure is easy, see twiki
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12:06:24lImbusah well. search function
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12:47:34Tobihi
12:47:42Tobihow can I get the new fonts?
12:48:08Tobicvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.rockbox.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/rockbox co fonts dows not work
12:49:00TobiNo one here? Maybe it is because of lunch time...
12:49:21Bagderyou're using an ancient cvs root
12:49:44Bagdertry -d:pserver:anonymous@rockbox.haxx.se:/cvsroot/rockbox
12:51:15BagderSee http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCVS
12:51:43BagderI'd suggest you checkout everything from start from the proper CVS repo
12:52:15Tobiah, this works
12:52:39Tobimaybe someone should edit http://rockbox.haxx.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile
12:52:57TobiI will make it
12:53:02Bagderplease do
12:55:10Tobiit's done
12:55:23Bagdergoodie
12:55:42Tobithanks for your help
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14:22:13SmoothOperatorhi
14:22:58SmoothOperatorall
14:23:37Bagderhey
14:24:04SmoothOperatorhiya Bagder whats up?
14:29:57SmoothOperatorthis is gonna be fun and games, installing XP SP2
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14:48:39SmoothOperatorHi
14:51:38lImbusHi Smoo
14:51:54SmoothOperatorhi
14:52:06SmoothOperatorim seeing what this windows XP SP2 is all about
14:54:15lImbusI don't dare
14:54:30SmoothOperatorlol
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15:07:58bobTHChi all!
15:10:24bobTHCI have some troubles on the Bleeding edge build for recorder. I can't resume playlist nor load it without displaying me errors
15:11:21bobTHC"playlist error -2"
15:11:45bobTHCor like this (i haven't my recorder with me=
15:12:31bobTHCany idea ? (it's a JBrecorder 20gig USB 2.0)
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15:23:55amiconn[IDC]Dragon: Btw, while fixing the font problem, I found the reason why the old code didn't work for font widths > 16. Actually, this would have needed fixing both convbdf and the drawing code too.
15:29:05[IDC]Dragonamiconn: you mean, because the bitmapo is stored in 16 bit data types?
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15:53:12amiconn[IDC]Dragon: (1) the calculation in (old) convbfd whether an offset map needed is wrong, and won't work for proportional fonts crossing 16 pixel width
15:53:37amiconn(2) the drawing code assumed width to be always 1 word either
15:54:35amiconn(for fonts without an offset map, that is)
15:56:25[IDC]DragonI don't understand...
15:56:56[IDC]Dragon(1) the pixel map is created in a seriaes of 16 bit values
15:57:18[IDC]Dragonso a glyph can't be wider
15:57:58[IDC]Dragon(2) the drawing code uses the Rockbox bitmap format
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16:01:49amiconn(1) If (some) glyphs would be wider than 16 pixels, this would need 2 words (indicated by maxwidth too). The font can only be stored without offset map if (a) all glyphs take the same space and (b) are continuous, i.e. without a gap. (a) is calculated wrong in old convbdf for width >16
16:03:53amiconn(2) Yes, but due to the in-place rotation, the distance between 2 glyphs depends on the requirements of the non-rotated font. The calculation doesn't take into accout that there might have been more than one word per row
16:04:06[IDC]Dragonah, it didn't appear to me that the width can grow into 2 words
16:05:58amiconnTo fix (1), convbdf line 614 (now #ifdef'ed out) should have used pf->maxwidth instead of pf->width[i]
16:06:33[IDC]Dragonprobably the non-rotating variant won't get used again
16:06:53[IDC]Dragonbut so far, I made a #define
16:07:50amiconnYes. Anyway, I wonder why that old bug didn't get detected earlier...
16:08:13[IDC]Dragonbecause such fonts were >9KB?
16:12:32amiconnMaybe. But then I wonder why the width was taken into account for the calculation in the first place. It would have been easier to impose a width limit. It seems that convbdf didn't get much testing...
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16:22:57[IDC]Dragonamiconn: we can delete the bitmap_t type and the BITMAP_xx macros from font.h now
16:26:10amiconnyup. Although it might be a good idea to replace BITMAP_WORDS with a new BITMAP_BYTES, and use this instead of (height + 7)/8
16:27:24[IDC]Dragongood idea, improves readybility
16:27:34[IDC]Dragonreadability
16:28:22amiconn(or call this RB_BITMAP_BYTES to indicate it's use)
16:32:55[IDC]Dragonor FONT_ROWS
16:37:39amiconnFONT_BYTE_ROWS
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22:00:06SmoothOperatorWhats the use of the new windows installer for rockbox?
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22:00:43midk_easier installations.
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22:01:01SmoothOperatori suppose
22:01:11SmoothOperatorjust installed XP SP2
22:01:59SmoothOperatornot that much differet
22:02:01SmoothOperatordifferent
22:02:11bagawkSmoothOperator, try the firewall settings
22:02:21bagawki think that is where a lot of the work has been done
22:02:36SmoothOperatoryea i have
22:02:38midkactually, it's a new security control panel, should be in the start menu or control panel.
22:02:44SmoothOperatoryea i found it
22:02:49SmoothOperatorno changes to the interface
22:03:10midkyou expect them to change the whole visual style? it's still xp, just with fixes.
22:03:44SmoothOperatoryea
22:03:59SmoothOperatorbut i feel for a 75MB download they could have done more
22:04:14midkit's behind the scenes work
22:04:37midki think you want a new icon package or something, not bug fixes
22:04:53bagawki have not tried SP2, and dont plan to for awhile (atleast on my own system)
22:05:21SmoothOperatorwell im someone who likes my PC bang up to date
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22:05:32SmoothOperatordownload all the updates as soon as they become available
22:06:02bagawkmy mom had a friend from work that installed SP2 3 days ago his windows is dead because of it
22:06:13SmoothOperatorBagawk u aren't related to Bagder by any chance?
22:06:18bagawknope
22:06:23SmoothOperatorjust wondered
22:06:26SmoothOperatorfrom the similar names
22:06:31bagawkSmoothOperator, if you have seen the nick dstar5 before, thats me
22:06:45SmoothOperatorbut i have noticed that SP2 has killed the Dell logo when i switch my PC on
22:07:18bagawkreally? the logog in the bios?
22:07:22SmoothOperatoryea
22:07:26SmoothOperatorwhen you switch the system on
22:07:33bagawkdo you get some text?
22:07:52SmoothOperatorjust a black screen before the XP logo comes on
22:08:00bagawkweird
22:08:06SmoothOperatorah well
22:08:12SmoothOperatorthis PC is ancient anyway
22:08:21bagawksince this is not my system, and it is the libraries, i will install sp2 just to see
22:08:23bagawklol
22:08:34bagawki would like the logog to be gone lol
22:08:39bagawk*logo
22:08:42SmoothOperatori want one of those new 3.6Ghz systems with 3Gb of RAM and a 400Gb hard disk
22:08:53bagawk:P
22:09:02bagawkamp 64?
22:09:04bagawk*amd
22:09:09SmoothOperatorsoon hard disks will go into the terabytes
22:09:26bagawknah not for awhile
22:09:32bagawkatleast for consumers
22:09:40SmoothOperatorbut Intel have made a 1Thz processor
22:10:08SmoothOperatorone small problem though
22:10:17bagawk10000$?
22:10:29SmoothOperatorit throws out the same amount of heat as a furnace
22:10:34bagawkheh
22:10:50bagawksome people overclocked a 3.2 ghz processor to 5ghz
22:10:55SmoothOperatorreally?
22:10:58bagawkand was cooled by liquid niro
22:11:01SmoothOperatormust need some serious cooling
22:11:06bagawkthey have a video i think
22:11:09bagawklet me find it
22:11:31SmoothOperator5 years ago this PC was top of the range
22:11:36SmoothOperatornow its stone-age technology
22:11:43bagawkhttp://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20031230/index.html
22:11:48SmoothOperatorcool
22:11:55bagawki have 1ghz computer at home
22:11:56SmoothOperator(excuse the pun)
22:12:01bagawkit is fine
22:12:08dwihno1.6GHz is good enough for me
22:12:09bagawkjust takes about 2 hours to compile linux kernel :P
22:12:12SmoothOperatorlol
22:12:26SmoothOperatorI think a 2.8Ghz Celeron will outperform my 1.5Ghz Pentium 4
22:13:27bagawkhttp://www12.tomshardware.com/images/thg_video_11_5ghz.zip
22:13:31bagawkthere is the video
22:13:44dwihnohow big is it?
22:13:48bagawkhold on
22:14:06bagawk23 mb
22:14:07SmoothOperatorAre the Celerons really that slow?
22:14:27bagawksome are
22:14:36bagawkthe ones with no cache are SLOW
22:14:43SmoothOperatorbut 2.8Ghz is quite fast for a Celeron
22:14:44bagawkbut i do not think they are making those any more
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22:16:18SmoothOperatorhey mk is back
22:16:26midkamazing.
22:17:10bagawkdamn i was hoping he was gone forever
22:18:21SmoothOperatorlol
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22:19:35SmoothOperatorhey, as anyone seen the new Sony HD player?
22:19:56SmoothOperator30 hour battery life
22:20:00SmoothOperatormagnesium chassis
22:20:06bagawkheh
22:20:12dwihnosounds sexy
22:20:14dwihnourl?
22:20:24SmoothOperatorthere is only 1 small problem
22:20:28SmoothOperatorit only plays ATRAC3
22:20:31dwihnoit's vaporware? :)
22:20:35bagawk:P
22:20:38dwihnobaaah!
22:21:08SmoothOperatorhere is the solution
22:21:28SmoothOperatorUse the SonicStage software to convert your MP3s to ATRAC3, then back up all your MP3s onto CD or DVD or whatever
22:21:29dwihnohack the firmware
22:21:29dwihno?
22:21:57dwihnoShouldn't the backups have been made _before_ converting? :)
22:21:58scott666SmoothOperator: i keep seeing commercials for it
22:22:02scott666god i hate macy gray
22:22:10bagawkso do i
22:22:31SmoothOperatorme 2
22:22:44scott666i dont trust it
22:22:45SmoothOperatordamn i hate those li-ion batteries
22:23:06scott666my guess is that its all low bit rate
22:23:19scott666like you can get 20 hours out of rockbox playing 32kbps audio books
22:23:26SmoothOperatorbut i feel that you are reaching dimishing returns
22:23:52SmoothOperatoryou can only squeeze the file so much before sound quality suffers regardless of the codec used, be it MP3, ATRAC3, OGG and what not
22:24:21bagawkbrb
22:24:38scott666i dont understand why they chose to do atrac3 only
22:24:41scott666horrible move
22:24:59SmoothOperatori see a codec where you can squeeze 999,999,999,999,999,999 CD quality files on an old 1.44Mb floppy disk
22:25:04scott666i have 50GB of mp3, im rather haevily invested in mp3s
22:25:28scott666SmoothOperator: midi?
22:26:09SmoothOperatorthe file would look something like 03 - Macy Gray - I Try.mdk
22:26:16SmoothOperatorits called the mdk codec
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22:26:29bagawkdamn
22:26:30scott666i think midi would sound better
22:26:44bagawkstuiped library systems
22:27:15bagawki get a BSOD sometimes when i plug in anything into usb
22:28:54midkSmoothOperator, that's not really possible
22:29:09SmoothOperatorcould be, u know how advanced technology is
22:29:15scott666midis are almost that small
22:29:35SmoothOperatorive read somewhere they are working on a codec that makes tiny files, it works by predicting what the waveform does next during playback
22:29:41midkconsidering the length of a filename, even if the files took up next to no space the filenames would be too big to get anything to fit.
22:29:57midk99,999,999,999,999,999 CD quality files on a 1.44mb floppy is just impossible.
22:30:00scott666yeah, floppys are a bad example
22:30:05midks/99/999
22:30:15bagawkbrb
22:30:24scott666actually, im not sure FAT32 supports that many files
22:30:31midk999,999,999,999,999,999 files even if they contained nothing would still take up a lot of space due to filenames.
22:30:36SmoothOperatorthis is getting silly now
22:30:37midkit's a bogus number
22:30:48SmoothOperatorwe are all sounding like mikeholdens now
22:30:54midkyou're saying 999 bazillion files?
22:31:20midk999 bazillion 999 trillion 999 billion 999 million 999 thousand 9 hundred 99?
22:31:29SmoothOperatorok
22:31:35midkassuming bazillion is the right terminology.
22:31:48SmoothOperatorhey, as if someone has a music collection that big anyway
22:32:10midkuhh, earth to smooth, you said it not me.
22:32:25SmoothOperatorhey, i was joking
22:32:44midkwow, you sure fooled me. ;
22:32:46midk;)
22:33:00SmoothOperatorthen we all turned into argueing mikeholdens
22:34:17SmoothOperatorwhich form of digital connection sounds better, electrical or optical?
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23:43:22bagawkhi LinusN
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23:47:07amiconnLinusN: Did you read of that problem with the fm radio not being available with current dailies on the ml?
23:48:22amiconnI have an idea what might cause this (based on the comment by Alex Pleiner), but can't verify it due to lack of a recorder fm
23:55:21LinusNwhat's the theory?
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