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09:23:58 | Bagder | morning [IDC]Dragon |
09:24:46 | [IDC]Dragon | Hello everybody |
09:25:05 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm excited about the Ondio findings |
09:25:22 | [IDC]Dragon | that it seems to be derived from our models |
09:25:24 | Bagder | yeah, that seems promising |
09:26:04 | amiconn | morning |
09:26:41 | Bagder | guys, shouldn't we try to make it easier to build rombox from cvs ? |
09:26:56 | [IDC]Dragon | I was about to suggest that |
09:27:07 | [IDC]Dragon | since it's pretty mature now |
09:27:38 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I'd suggest dual linking, as we discussed some time ago |
09:27:40 | Bagder | yes, and lots of people want it |
09:27:51 | [IDC]Dragon | how about the normal build process doing a second linking? |
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09:27:55 | [IDC]Dragon | ;-) |
09:28:04 | [IDC]Dragon | Hey! |
09:28:13 | [IDC]Dragon | welcome back |
09:28:20 | LinusN | thx |
09:28:25 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: This could provide e.g. rombox.ucl, in addition to rockbox.ucl |
09:28:30 | amiconn | hi LinusN |
09:28:45 | Bagder | yes, an additional rombox.ucl would probably be good |
09:29:53 | [IDC]Dragon | it requires everybobody to have my patched uclpack |
09:29:57 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: my recorder has white backlight now :-) |
09:30:01 | Bagder | btw, why is the uclpack needed when building rombox? |
09:30:08 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: congrats! |
09:30:25 | [IDC]Dragon | which size did you use? 0805? |
09:31:06 | [IDC]Dragon | Bagder: for symmetry, to have the same file format |
09:31:37 | * | amiconn is away |
09:31:44 | LinusN | 0805 |
09:31:49 | [IDC]Dragon | Bagder: but some perl script could attach that header, too, as long as we don't use the checksum |
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09:33:01 | Bagder | yes, I thought about something like that. |
09:33:31 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: so, when tired of disemboweling fish, you cut PCB traces instead? |
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09:39:46 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: indeed |
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09:48:00 | [IDC]Dragon | Bagder: feel free to extend the make for rombox.ucl |
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09:48:39 | dwihno | Are there any major differences between the regular and rombox (except it runs from rom)? |
09:49:01 | [IDC]Dragon | none, except for memory gain |
09:49:06 | dwihno | Last night, my IBM 2.5" disk started to fail... Any ideas how to get the data back from it? |
09:49:15 | dwihno | How much of a gain? |
09:49:22 | [IDC]Dragon | ~200 KB |
09:49:44 | dwihno | whoa :D |
09:50:03 | dwihno | that's a heapload |
09:50:08 | [IDC]Dragon | dwihno: I suggest a recovery software, like Ontrack's EasyRecovery Pro |
09:50:32 | dwihno | [IDC]Dragon: Does it matter if I connect the disk using USB or a 2.5"->3.5" converter? |
09:51:14 | [IDC]Dragon | probabably not, but you're on the safe side with IDE |
09:51:57 | dwihno | Trying to "dd" the disk in linux results in nothing |
09:52:17 | dwihno | I'll test dd_rescue tonight |
09:52:28 | dwihno | that way, I'll see if the disk is readable or not |
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09:53:02 | dwihno | Are there any risks or similar switching to rombox? |
09:53:22 | [IDC]Dragon | no, it's a regular ucl |
09:54:01 | [IDC]Dragon | as you see above, we're just discussing to make it a part of the regular build |
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10:01:04 | dwihno | okay |
10:01:09 | dwihno | I was just thinking what might go wrong |
10:02:13 | dwihno | The buffer boost would be totally cool! |
10:03:26 | [IDC]Dragon | then go ahead and flash it |
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10:05:42 | lImbus | hi all. somebody keen on a gmail-account ? |
10:09:46 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: I read you're mis-trusting our file system |
10:10:28 | [IDC]Dragon | How about filling recording data with upcounting bytes or so, and offline verify that content? |
10:22:19 | dwihno | [IDC]Dragon: What is needed? My dev environment is on my crashed disk :-( |
10:23:30 | [IDC]Dragon | you can download the pre-made stuff from twiki |
10:24:05 | [IDC]Dragon | Jens is publishing his ROMbox builds there from time to time |
10:24:29 | [IDC]Dragon | I had no luck installing gcc 3.3.1 |
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10:26:44 | dwihno | I was able to backup all my source code before the disk crash |
10:26:50 | dwihno | Someone up there likes me. |
10:28:00 | dwihno | I will still be able to boot the archos' firmware? |
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10:28:47 | [IDC]Dragon | dwihno: do you have Rockbox flashed? |
10:28:53 | dwihno | [IDC]Dragon: Yeah. |
10:29:11 | [IDC]Dragon | then you should know how a .ucl behaves |
10:30:17 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: yes, testing the file system like that is a good idea |
10:31:23 | dwihno | ah |
10:31:51 | dwihno | My list of "lost software" is growing |
10:32:32 | dwihno | Time to flash. |
10:33:54 | dwihno | Is it stupid to remove ajbrec.ajz from the root? |
10:34:16 | [IDC]Dragon | you should leave it there |
10:34:35 | dwihno | for any special reasons? |
10:34:42 | [IDC]Dragon | so, F1 On gives you Rockbox, too |
10:35:06 | [IDC]Dragon | and to rolo out of ROMbox before you flash again |
10:35:41 | dwihno | connecting to usb and re-transfering a new ajz will still work |
10:35:49 | dwihno | I just prefer keeping the root directory uncluttered |
10:36:56 | dwihno | Whoa. 1.779 |
10:37:29 | amiconn | back. |
10:38:08 | dwihno | We had a discussion about rombox and the RLD problem earlier |
10:38:50 | dwihno | Running from ROM might fix the problem? |
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10:41:02 | [IDC]Dragon | I doubt it |
10:41:35 | dwihno | Well, being the never-ending optimist, I'll tell you about my findings |
10:41:37 | dwihno | Yay for rombox! |
10:41:45 | dwihno | It's like a turbo-charged flash :) |
10:41:56 | dwihno | First we got flash (yay!) then we got rombox (double-yay!) |
10:42:42 | [IDC]Dragon | don't get too excited, it's 10% more buffer, and maybe 4% longer battery life |
10:43:38 | dwihno | 10% is a heapload, considering we only got 2 megs |
10:43:47 | dwihno | So join me in the rejoicing! :) \o/ |
10:44:10 | [IDC]Dragon | as you say |
10:44:30 | [IDC]Dragon | (I got 8 megs ;-) |
10:44:51 | dwihno | :) |
10:44:56 | dwihno | I want 8 megs as well |
10:45:11 | LinusN | me too |
10:45:14 | dwihno | I'll have to get some chips and bribe Linus to solder it for me on the 2005 devcon :) |
10:46:07 | LinusN | just get me some chips too, and we're even |
10:51:03 | dwihno | I'll get the chips, and you solder. Deal? |
10:51:44 | dwihno | While we're at it, there are no 16MB chips? ;) |
10:52:01 | [IDC]Dragon | no |
10:52:11 | [IDC]Dragon | the CPU would support it |
10:52:16 | LinusN | dwihno: deal :-) |
10:52:26 | [IDC]Dragon | but the world switched to SDRAM before |
10:53:58 | dwihno | So the archos' uses rdram? ;) |
10:54:05 | dwihno | What kind of ram was used before sdram? |
10:54:10 | LinusN | dram |
10:54:15 | LinusN | edo type |
10:54:27 | LinusN | and static column before that |
10:54:41 | dwihno | Ah |
10:54:48 | dwihno | edo was what I was thinking about |
10:55:30 | dwihno | LinusN: What kind of chips are preferred? |
10:56:28 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon knows that better than me |
10:59:04 | dwihno | aah |
10:59:26 | [IDC]Dragon | 8MB (4Mbit*16) EDO in TSOP package, 3.3V |
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11:00:15 | dwihno | Would be much simpler if you said something like "Samsung blabla SSMM4381" :) |
11:00:23 | LinusN | :-) |
11:00:23 | dwihno | A couple of examples |
11:00:48 | [IDC]Dragon | there are several manufacturers |
11:06:55 | dwihno | ahh. |
11:07:32 | dwihno | ELFA might carry something like that perhaps. |
11:08:01 | LinusN | nope |
11:08:16 | LinusN | if it was that easy, i would have done it long ago |
11:08:38 | dwihno | mkay |
11:08:49 | dwihno | :) |
11:10:42 | [IDC]Dragon | HM5164165 from NEC is one example |
11:12:23 | dwihno | Google tells me Hitachi are manufacturing them |
11:13:49 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm not sure about the refresh requirements |
11:14:12 | dwihno | refresh requirements? |
11:14:51 | [IDC]Dragon | what kind of refresh our CPU does |
11:15:00 | [IDC]Dragon | probably 4k |
11:15:28 | [IDC]Dragon | watch for low power |
11:15:39 | dwihno | mkay |
11:16:02 | [IDC]Dragon | 60 ns speed is enough |
11:16:31 | dwihno | I love the french word for download |
11:16:33 | dwihno | "telecharge" |
11:16:52 | dwihno | Sounds pretty awesome :) |
11:17:31 | [IDC]Dragon | Samsung K4E641612 or KM416V4104 may be suitable as well |
11:18:30 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Iirc refresh is set to 1K (but could do 4K as well) |
11:20:00 | [IDC]Dragon | I think I have a Hynix GM71V65163 |
11:21:25 | [IDC]Dragon | checked: I have GM71VS65163CL, the low power version |
11:22:48 | [IDC]Dragon | which is 4k refresh |
11:27:30 | dwihno | neato |
11:30:42 | [IDC]Dragon | full title is GM71VS65163CLT5, for 50 ns |
11:31:16 | [IDC]Dragon | and TSOP |
11:31:58 | [IDC]Dragon | spelled as GM71VS65163CLT-5 more often, I find |
11:33:11 | [IDC]Dragon | but -6 is fast enough, too |
11:34:34 | [IDC]Dragon | Bimex say they have 18 pieces in stock: http://www.bimex.de/lagerliste.html |
11:36:24 | [IDC]Dragon | however, with some effort you should be able to find some surplus stock somewhere |
11:46:11 | dwihno | A reasonable price would be ... ? |
11:47:48 | [IDC]Dragon | dunno, a few EUR? |
11:56:19 | [IDC]Dragon | BTW, I have flash chips to offer |
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12:06:08 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: A propos flash: After Lee discovered the similarity of the Ondio hardware, I studied the features a bit |
12:06:40 | amiconn | (1) There are 2 models, the Ondio SP and the Ondio recorder FM |
12:06:57 | amiconn | (2) Both seem to use our well-know 112x64 graphic display |
12:07:48 | amiconn | (3) It is likely that the SP uses MAS3507, while the FM recorder most likely uses MAS3587 |
12:08:22 | dwihno | So rockbox on ondio isn't impossible? |
12:08:32 | amiconn | (4) Both units are definitely flashable, as archos has one special upgrade .ajz available, for which it says it's a no-way-back upgrade |
12:09:14 | amiconn | (5) Ondio original firmware uses FAT16 for the internal flash (128 MB) and supports FAT12/FAT16/FAT32 for the memory cards |
12:10:31 | dwihno | The ondio has internal flash + external? What kind of card? |
12:10:38 | amiconn | MMC iirc |
12:12:21 | amiconn | yep, it's mmc |
12:12:34 | amiconn | http://www.archos.com/products/prw_500324_specs.html |
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12:16:23 | dwihno | MMC's are limited to 128 megs, right? |
12:22:00 | lImbus | I still wonder where the difference between SD-cards and MMC is. it's the same mechanical format. |
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12:40:41 | dwihno | Would be neat to cram a 1gbyte chip in the ondio :) |
12:44:21 | LinusN | amiconn: what about the NULL writes in the id3 code? |
12:54:31 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: those should be avoidable with an if() |
12:55:34 | [IDC]Dragon | too bad we didn't "discover" the Ondio earlier, it's been around a long time |
12:56:41 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon: of course, but I want to know the reason for the pointers being NULL etc |
12:57:48 | [IDC]Dragon | during the playtick, there are no valid pointers in the case of plugin/voice playback |
12:58:04 | [IDC]Dragon | only the mpeg code uses that |
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13:15:18 | [IDC]Dragon | and I don't like that play tick function, it's a call from lower to upper layer |
13:16:34 | [IDC]Dragon | the only remaining dependency since my playback split |
13:18:20 | amiconn | LinusN: (sorry, was somewhat away) There are a number of NULL pointer accesses in the mpeg.c code: |
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13:30:53 | amiconn | (1) playback_tick() writes to NULL if there are no tracks loaded (plugin playback, e.g. metronome.rock / video.rock) |
13:31:24 | amiconn | This is avoidable by surrounding it with if (num_tracks_in_memory() > 0) |
13:32:51 | amiconn | (2) transfer_end() accesses NULL if the following track is not yet loaded (line 731). This is avoidable by changing the if (num_tracks_in_memory() > 0) above to > 1 |
13:33:47 | amiconn | (3) transfer_end() also accesses NULL at some later point if we are about to change track. This I did not yet figure out exactly. |
13:35:14 | amiconn | Finally, I wonder what the id3tags[] pointer array is good for. Imho it would be sufficient to only have the _id3tags[] structure array, and directly use that as a ring buffer |
13:43:01 | LinusN | i'll look into this |
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14:04:26 | amiconn | LinusN: That arises the question whether I should commit my debugging feature to catch this. Could you perhaps test that if it works for the player? |
14:04:55 | amiconn | (For committing, this would require some additional brushing, i.e. deactivation from within the flash plugins) |
14:07:05 | amiconn | dwihno: No, mmc's aren't limited to 128 MB, there are mmc's up to 1 GB availabl |
14:07:07 | amiconn | e |
14:07:22 | dwihno | amiconn: there are? well, the store I've checked only has >128 |
14:08:32 | amiconn | dwihno: http://www3.alternate.de/shop/infoNodes/productDetails.html?artNr=imau01 (a detail frame of a german internet shop, www.alternate.de) |
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14:11:42 | dwihno | amiconn: cool |
14:11:50 | * | dwihno has three kinds of different memory cards |
14:11:58 | dwihno | which drives me nuts |
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14:25:25 | amiconn | lImbus: (differences mmc-sd) (1) The mechanical format is the same (2) sd has one additional pin (3) mmc uses parallel data transfer, while sd uses hi-speed serial (4) sd has a "secured area", intended for drm |
14:28:47 | dwihno | booo for drm! |
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14:35:32 | amiconn | LinusN: r u there ? |
14:39:41 | LinusN | yes |
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14:46:25 | amiconn | Got my question about commiting the UBC debug feature? |
14:48:06 | amiconn | In conjunction with that: would it be feasible to use some standard function (i.e. set_option() from settings.c) within debug_menu.c? This would save a few bytes for that feature |
14:52:42 | lImbus | amiconn: (a) which one is faster then ? (b) are they interchangeable ? (c) thanks for the knowledge :-) |
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14:57:08 | amiconn | lImbus: (a) iirc this depends on the flash chip itself, not the interface (b) all sd readers (I know of) are able to read mmc too. The reverse is not true |
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15:00:50 | zeekoe | lImbus: Why is MMC going to be replaced with SDC? One of the reasons is that the MMC is far not a speed record breaker. |
15:00:57 | zeekoe | http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/cftest/cftest-2k2.html |
15:04:03 | LinusN | amiconn: i think the debug feature should be committed |
15:05:24 | LinusN | and using set_option from debug_menu.c sounds good |
15:05:47 | LinusN | also, i can't see a reason why it wouldn't work on the player as well, can you? |
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18:01:20 | bagawk | [IDC]Dragon: i am taking some time to update the ID# tag editor, and it will be a viewer, how would i add it to viewers..cfg without makeing it have an extension? |
18:01:27 | bagawk | *ID3 |
18:02:46 | bagawk | Or will it be ok just to say mp3? |
18:04:18 | [IDC]Dragon | to register it for mp3 should be fine |
18:05:35 | bagawk | ok |
18:05:52 | bagawk | BTW: are mp2 files using the same tags? |
18:06:01 | [IDC]Dragon | no |
18:06:06 | bagawk | ok |
18:06:43 | [IDC]Dragon | at least, I think they don't have tags |
18:07:14 | [IDC]Dragon | but this file format is more or less irrelevant |
18:13:13 | bagawk | wow writtin 3 chars of text in a 6x6 icon isa bit hard |
18:17:25 | * | bagawk gives up |
18:18:43 | bagawk | heyy |
18:18:55 | bagawk | is it just me or do the viewer icons not show up? |
18:19:18 | bagawk | n/m |
18:19:21 | bagawk | i got it |
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22:15:50 | awpticks | hi |
22:16:59 | awpticks | I have an Archos Jukebox Studio 20, which has a broken screen, is there an easy remedy for that? |
22:17:11 | zeekoe | get a new screen :) |
22:17:20 | awpticks | the screen isn't physically damaged |
22:17:24 | zeekoe | ? |
22:17:28 | awpticks | yeah |
22:17:38 | awpticks | it just doesn't display anything |
22:17:52 | zeekoe | what did you do to it? |
22:18:09 | awpticks | i bought it off of eBay for cheap. |
22:18:15 | zeekoe | ok |
22:18:18 | zeekoe | it never worked? |
22:18:50 | awpticks | it displayud the ..charging... |
22:18:57 | awpticks | now it doesn't |
22:19:23 | awpticks | the eBay auction specified that the screen didn't wark |
22:19:33 | awpticks | so i didn't get screwed. |
22:19:38 | zeekoe | odd |
22:19:42 | awpticks | i knew that when i bought it |
22:19:45 | awpticks | yeah |
22:20:06 | awpticks | i opened it, and re-seated the screen, and still no luck |
22:20:07 | zeekoe | did it display anything besides the playing screen? |
22:20:26 | awpticks | it only displayed the charging screen |
22:20:28 | zeekoe | uh |
22:20:35 | zeekoe | that's what i meant |
22:20:44 | awpticks | oh, ok |
22:20:47 | zeekoe | can it play music? |
22:20:50 | awpticks | yes |
22:21:12 | zeekoe | with or without rockbox? |
22:21:29 | awpticks | with both. |
22:21:39 | zeekoe | hm |
22:21:45 | zeekoe | how's the screen connected? |
22:21:51 | zeekoe | with normal wires |
22:21:53 | zeekoe | ? |
22:22:00 | zeekoe | or easy-to-break stuff |
22:22:06 | awpticks | with a `zebra strip` |
22:22:24 | zeekoe | ok |
22:22:32 | zeekoe | does still it look good? |
22:22:37 | awpticks | yes |
22:22:57 | zeekoe | really odd that it did display the charging screen once, but nothing else |
22:23:04 | awpticks | yeah, |
22:23:08 | awpticks | toll me about it. |
22:23:12 | awpticks | *tell |
22:23:26 | zeekoe | anyone else in here with ideas? |
22:23:35 | awpticks | sorry for the typos, i recently switched to dvorak |
22:23:47 | zeekoe | :-| |
22:23:59 | zeekoe | seems hard to me, to change layout |
22:24:01 | dwihno | awpticks: is the dvorak change hard? |
22:24:10 | awpticks | not really |
22:24:18 | dwihno | awpticks: I've been considering it, but it seems difficult to learn an old dog to sit again :) |
22:24:25 | awpticks | i'm learning farely well |
22:24:37 | awpticks | dwihno: it's not that hard |
22:25:00 | awpticks | i really thought i was gonna have big probloms |
22:25:03 | awpticks | but i'm not |
22:25:17 | zeekoe | can you type faster? |
22:25:20 | zeekoe | less rsi? |
22:25:22 | awpticks | other than i have problems coding, yeah |
22:25:28 | zeekoe | :P |
22:25:29 | awpticks | yeah, almosh |
22:25:41 | awpticks | i'm about up to what i was at |
22:25:49 | awpticks | before i switched |
22:26:03 | dwihno | writing regular text ought to go a lot faster |
22:26:19 | awpticks | it is |
22:26:37 | zeekoe | how long did it take? |
22:26:43 | awpticks | anyone with any ideas an my non-functional screen? |
22:26:56 | awpticks | zeekoe: about 2 months |
22:27:12 | zeekoe | cool |
22:27:26 | awpticks | my hands don't hurt as much anymore |
22:27:34 | awpticks | it'- really kinda cool |
22:27:39 | awpticks | *it's |
22:28:03 | zeekoe | i might change too... but i only type with 3-7 fingers |
22:28:07 | zeekoe | had no typing lessons |
22:28:21 | awpticks | yeah. that's why i switched |
22:28:39 | zeekoe | people tend to think i type really weird, no fixed finger positions, but i can type blind and quite fast |
22:28:52 | awpticks | yeah, that's like i was |
22:29:10 | zeekoe | cool |
22:29:12 | awpticks | only @80WPM |
22:29:17 | zeekoe | hm |
22:29:22 | zeekoe | dunno what i do |
22:29:41 | zeekoe | 200 cpm or so? |
22:29:42 | zeekoe | not sure |
22:30:03 | awpticks | do you think that if i clean the zebra-strip it might wark? |
22:30:05 | zeekoe | ontopic :-) cant you just ask the guy you bought it from what happened to the screen? |
22:30:10 | dwihno | I know of a guy who got ~600 hits per minute and still types with a amazing low failure rate |
22:30:17 | awpticks | i'll ask |
22:30:21 | zeekoe | :-| |
22:30:23 | zeekoe | 1337 |
22:30:25 | awpticks | i dunno if he'll tell me |
22:30:38 | zeekoe | it would really help you i think |
22:30:46 | zeekoe | dont think cleaning the zebra strip will work |
22:31:04 | dwihno | I would ask someone with great hardware skills to check what's wrong |
22:31:09 | awpticks | alright, i'll email him right now, and i'll toll everyone in here his response |
22:31:23 | awpticks | dwihno: i repair laptops :) |
22:31:26 | zeekoe | you can ask on the mailing list too |
22:31:37 | zeekoe | awpticks: i repaired mine too :) |
22:31:56 | awpticks | i'll never replace RAM chips again |
22:31:58 | awpticks | heh |
22:32:02 | dwihno | awpticks: cool |
22:32:10 | zeekoe | it was 0.5% of the cost of sending it to the official repair |
22:32:56 | awpticks | mine was a free repair (- my time of course) |
22:33:06 | awpticks | because i had parts on-hand |
22:33:23 | zeekoe | my power connector got damaged, when it fell on its back... :-( bought a new one for Eur 1,60 instead of that guys replacing the motherboard (Eur 400 or so) |
22:33:46 | awpticks | heh |
22:33:47 | midk | why would you replace a motherboard for a broken power connector? |
22:34:05 | zeekoe | power connector is part of the mainboard |
22:34:07 | awpticks | midk: to make money |
22:34:09 | zeekoe | it's just logical |
22:34:30 | dwihno | Damn you capitalists :) |
22:35:00 | * | awpticks slides out of the way of dwihno's accusations |
22:35:07 | dwihno | :-) |
22:35:28 | dwihno | j/k |
22:35:45 | dwihno | although capitalists are driving europe straight to /dev/urandom |
22:35:46 | dwihno | that reminds me |
22:35:50 | zeekoe | i work at a helpdesk/repair too |
22:35:54 | zeekoe | they repair for free |
22:35:57 | zeekoe | just shipping |
22:36:02 | dwihno | I have to put a /dev/null sticker on my new trashcan at work |
22:36:12 | awpticks | heh |
22:36:24 | dwihno | Then I'll hide it |
22:36:37 | dwihno | Otherwise, people will throw stuff like fruits and stuff in it |
22:36:40 | * | awpticks has "bow before me for i am root" on his laptop |
22:37:02 | dwihno | I still have "intel inside" and "designed for windows xp" stickers on my laptop |
22:37:22 | awpticks | lo |
22:37:24 | awpticks | l |
22:37:39 | zeekoe | i have s.gned for osoft 'ndows(R) XP |
22:37:47 | zeekoe | it's right under my hand :P |
22:37:58 | awpticks | lol |
22:38:31 | dwihno | Damn. |
22:38:40 | dwihno | I want to recover the data from my disk :( |
22:38:51 | * | awpticks wants his screen to wark |
22:38:52 | dwihno | Feels like getting a 2.5" -> 3.5" adapter won't do me no good |
22:39:03 | zeekoe | dwihno: what happened? |
22:39:05 | * | awpticks cries |
22:39:20 | zeekoe | awpticks: try throwing it on the ground |
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22:39:35 | awpticks | no thanks |
22:39:47 | zeekoe | awpticks: it may help... |
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22:40:07 | zeekoe | i read the hard disk can survive 1 foot drop on concrete |
22:40:13 | awpticks | i just dan't want to damage the drive |
22:40:32 | dwihno | zeekoe: first of all, I got strange mechanical sounds (clunking), so I backed up all sourcecode (with occasional reading failures, which could be fixed with retries)... but after a while, it stalled and when I reconnected it, it didn't work |
22:40:37 | awpticks | i don't care what it is supposed to do |
22:40:52 | dwihno | zeekoe: Linux gives me no additional information. |
22:41:03 | zeekoe | dwihno: in your laptop? |
22:41:05 | awpticks | dwihno: bad crash |
22:41:19 | awpticks | i had that happen on a RAID |
22:41:21 | dwihno | zeekoe: nah, my old archos' disk, mounted in an usb2 shell |
22:41:50 | zeekoe | hmm |
22:42:25 | zeekoe | my disk also makes some weird sounds when i quickly turn my archos while spinning... but that's normal i think |
22:42:37 | awpticks | well, i'm gonna open up thu jukebox again, and try cleaning |
22:42:44 | awpticks | i'll be back |
22:42:50 | * | awpticks is gone |
22:43:04 | dwihno | famous last words ;) |
22:43:35 | zeekoe | you can become governor saying that words |
22:43:50 | awpticks | yeah, i know |
22:44:08 | dwihno | :) |
22:44:13 | zeekoe | awpticks: ssssh... you should be cleaning your box now |
22:44:26 | awpticks | yeah |
22:44:33 | zeekoe | ssh |
22:44:41 | awpticks | ssh localhost |
22:44:55 | zeekoe | oh no... i was expecting that... |
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22:45:25 | awpticks | probably not `ssh metawire.org` then |
22:46:14 | * | awpticks unscrews |
22:46:56 | zeekoe | screw you |
22:48:10 | zeekoe | (nofi :-)) |
22:51:15 | dwihno | time to sleep |
22:51:22 | dwihno | good night, for now |
22:51:27 | awpticks | ahhh |
22:51:31 | awpticks | i soo the problem |
22:51:34 | awpticks | *see |
22:51:38 | zeekoe | nice |
22:51:42 | * | awpticks gets out the file |
22:51:59 | awpticks | the LED strip pushes up on the LCD |
22:52:35 | * | awpticks screams at the engineers && QC |
22:52:55 | awpticks | hmmmm |
22:53:33 | awpticks | would heating the solder and then pushng it down be better than filing the top down? |
22:59:46 | zeekoe | you're the laptop repair guy :P |
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23:00:05 | zeekoe | is the solder directly connected to the zebra thingy? |
23:03:41 | awpticks | no, a zebro strip is just conductive tracings sandwiched in silicone |
23:03:50 | zeekoe | ok |
23:04:44 | awpticks | the only problem is that they require steady pressure in order to wark |
23:04:47 | awpticks | *wark |
23:04:50 | awpticks | *work |
23:04:52 | awpticks | lol |
23:08:23 | lImbus | lal ? |
23:11:25 | amiconn | lImbus: data? |
23:18:07 | lImbus | amiconn: I was laughing at awpticks' dvorak-problems (o=a). |
23:18:52 | lImbus | ok, it's a bad one... I'm gonna leave anyway |
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23:43:53 | awpticks | ~YAY! |
23:44:01 | awpticks | i deserve some head |
23:44:10 | awpticks | the screen new warks |
23:45:45 | awpticks | i just put a peice of tape and foam between the front glass, and the back of the plsatic scroon protector |
23:46:00 | awpticks | *screen |
23:46:41 | awpticks | thanks for the help, and i hope that someone else can benefit from my 'procedure' |
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