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#rockbox log for 2004-09-03

00:27:26 Join Tempis [0] (tempis@68.206.189.127)
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00:30:09LinusNamiconn: you only need to keep track of the current file size
00:30:46amiconnLinusN: So it would be possible to simply set file->size to 0 when opened with O_TRUNC?
00:32:21LinusNyes
00:33:17amiconnHmm. Is there some test code (I wouldn't want to test this on my real disk)
00:33:19amiconn?
00:33:55LinusNfirmware/test/fat
00:34:21LinusNthere is a test program with a simulated ATA disk
00:34:34LinusNfor linux...
00:34:56LinusNit might work with cygwin, but don't count on it
00:35:00amiconnLinusN: In case you don't already have that info: http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/toc.htm , then click on "system interfaces" on the top left, then again bottom left
00:36:23LinusNah, nice
00:36:46TempisI have a question about the display on a studio 10
00:36:56amiconnLinusN: Reading the original IEEE publications is not free...
00:36:57LinusNonlinepubs, sounds nice, i could use a beer or two :-)
00:37:03LinusNTempis: shoot
00:37:08amiconnLinusN: lol
00:37:19TempisI am getting garbled text on the display
00:37:38Tempisand then sometimes nothing on the display
00:37:47LinusNwhat happens if you push it?
00:38:03Tempispush the display?
00:38:08LinusNyes, apply some pressure
00:38:16Tempislet me check
00:38:59Tempisnothing really
00:39:31LinusNwell, you should operate the device while pushing the lcd, to see if it works
00:39:54LinusNand if the lcd is totally blank, you must push it while starting the device
00:40:01Tempissometimes it works sometimes it doesnt
00:40:09amiconnLinusN: From reading that, I learned that while we don't need to remember the O_TRUNC flags after open(), we need to remember the O_APPEND flag
00:40:25LinusNthe lcd plate is only glued to the connector
00:40:30Tempisi see
00:40:44Tempispushing while starting seems to have fixed it
00:41:01TempisI have accidentally dropped it once or twice
00:41:13amiconnLinusN: "O_APPEND: If set, the file offset shall be set to the end of the file prior to each write." (notice the last 2 words)
00:41:29LinusNyou can take off the cover and wedge some rubber or so to push the lcd to the connector
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00:42:21TempisI might just do that
00:42:24LinusNamiconn: yes, we should do a seek for each write, but that will kill performance
00:42:26Tempisthanks for the tip
00:42:35LinusNTempis: been there myself :-)
00:42:36Tempisalways a pleasure with you guys
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00:43:08LinusNand we truncate on close for performance reasons
00:43:32amiconnYes, but we truncate wrong...
00:43:44*LinusN has a really hard time dismounting daniels laptop...
00:43:53LinusNamiconn: yes we do
00:44:02LinusNbut we should still do it on close
00:44:31amiconnIf the fat driver can handle this, simply setting file->size to 0 shouldn't hurt performance. Then the real truncation still takes place on closing
00:45:24LinusNyes, the truncating is done by performing a fat_seek to the desired offset, and then do fat_truncate
00:45:44 Part midk|doom3 ("just STOP it arspy")
00:45:52Tempiswhen I power my archos on, I have to hold the power button in until I the version number on the screen, is that normal?
00:45:53amiconnFor the append case: we could check if file->fileoffset != file->size , and only do the seek if this is the case.
00:46:31LinusNsure
00:47:14LinusNso we set the file size to 0 in open(), and in close() we change line 239 to:
00:47:38LinusN rc = ftruncate(fd, file->filesize);
00:48:05LinusNsorry,
00:48:14LinusN rc = ftruncate(fd, file->size);
00:49:15amiconnyes, In open, of course if (flags & O_TRUNC) file->size = 0;
00:49:22LinusNyup
00:49:43LinusNTempis: yes, that's normal
00:50:39amiconnLinusN: We can ditch file->trunc then (though it may slightly hurt performance for files that are not opened with O_TRUNC)
00:51:34LinusNfat_seek / fat_truncate can take a long time on long files
00:51:39Tempisahh, good
00:51:47TempisI thought it was, but wasn't sure
00:52:16amiconnTempis, LinusN: If the players were flashable, it should improve startup behaviour, right?
00:52:44LinusNin what sense?
00:53:21LinusNyes, it may be slightly faster, and we might not be forced to hold ON for so long
00:53:39amiconnShorter hold time of power button necessary, and faster boot (but then I don't know whether the Archos boot takes that long for players)
00:53:40LinusNbut the player startup time is quite fast anyway, imho
00:53:54Tempisyeah, its pretty fast
00:53:59Tempis20 seconds maybe
00:54:10Tempisperhaps less
00:54:10LinusN20!!!
00:54:14TempisI've never timed it
00:54:15amiconnThe Archos recorder boot time is looong
00:54:31LinusNi'd say 5-6 secs
00:54:36LinusNon the player
00:55:29LinusNi have to go now, cu guys
00:55:39Tempis10 seconds from power on till I can play something
00:55:53 Part LinusN
00:56:19amiconnRecorder boot with Archos fw is ~12..15 sec, flashed with rockbox it takes 3 sec (!)
00:58:37amiconnMost players are also flashable technically, but rockbox doesn't run correctly cold-started on the players. That's because the guy that developed the flash procedures doesn't have a working player to test with
00:59:16Tempisany chance of that changing?
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01:00:03amiconnIf someone with the necessary knowledge (and time) gets hold of a player, maybe yes.
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09:23:52LinusNhi Christi-S
09:23:58LinusNany luck with your fm?
09:24:17Christi-SNo Linus. Looks like it's a hardware problem. :(
09:24:32Christi-SI'm trying to find my screwdriver so I can take it to bits.
09:24:58Christi-SWeird thing is that it won't even turn on unless there's AC power plugged in.
09:25:15LinusNdoes the drive spin when you charge?
09:26:15Christi-SNot while charging, no.
09:26:32Christi-SIf you try to turn it on while charging, then it tries to and fails.
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09:27:19LinusNi'm of course referring to your opinion about the drive spinup
09:28:39*Christi-S nods. I now think it's something other than that. Possibly a dodgy contact somewhere.
09:29:19LinusNbut you claimed that it tried to spin up when you inserted the charger
09:29:55LinusNi had a similar problem once with my fm
09:30:06Christi-SMy box does that sometimes.
09:30:26Christi-SIt's kind of non-deterministic.
09:30:34LinusNit refused to start, and it behaved weird when i attached the charger
09:30:56LinusNresetting continuously
09:31:09Christi-SIf you try to turn the box on with the charger in, it's resetting continuously, yes.
09:31:35LinusNwhat happens if you attach both ac and usb?
09:31:58Christi-SThe sound it's now making doesn't sound so much like drive spinnup, but I'm at a loss to think what it does sound like.
09:33:03Christi-SSame thing happens with both USB and mains.
09:33:19LinusNi mean simultaneously
09:33:28Christi-S(Where's my bloody philips screwdriver gone?)
09:34:02Christi-SYes. Simultaniously (although that's a bit hard to test, my mains connector is slightly dodgy and requires angling to make it work.
09:34:09LinusNoh
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09:50:12 Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (~d90a3255@labb.contactor.se)
09:50:39[IDC]Dragonhi everybody
09:50:54LinusNyo
09:51:15[IDC]DragonChristi-S: I think either your battery has bad contact, or the charging circuit is blown
09:51:48[IDC]Dragon(I'm an expert in blowing that chip)
09:51:57LinusN1734?
09:52:38[IDC]DragonSP6650
09:53:58[IDC]Dragonit even looked puffy
09:54:25LinusNi didn't know that the 6650 was used for the charging
09:55:24[IDC]Dragonahem, no, it doesn't charge, it makes the 3.3V
09:55:32[IDC]Dragonsorry
09:56:01BagderM=?? d=?? :-(
09:56:11*LinusN should complete the schematics he once made when opening his fm a long time ago
09:56:12[IDC]Dragon:-(
09:56:41[IDC]DragonBagder: does it have bootrom, at least?
09:56:57Bagderhow can I tell?
09:57:05[IDC]DragonROM CRC
09:57:32Bagder0x222f v1
09:57:36[IDC]Dragon:-)
09:57:52[IDC]Dragonso you could exchange the chip
09:58:07LinusNBagder: not flashable?
09:58:09[IDC]Dragonuski got some, so do I
09:58:16BagderLinusN: right
09:58:23LinusNuski is going to send me a few flash chips
09:58:59BagderI'll end up paying you pizza for the rest of your life Linus ;-)
09:59:01LinusNBagder: but replacing the flash costs three pizzas :-)
09:59:13[IDC]Dragonwhoa
09:59:43LinusNand the laptop....mmm...getting hungry...
09:59:56[IDC]DragonLinusN will end up as Jabba the Pizza Hut
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10:00:09*LinusN modded zagors backlight yesterday
10:00:21LinusN1 pizza for him
10:00:26[IDC]Dragonthe iron never get cold
10:00:48[IDC]DragonLinusN will solder for food
10:01:07*LinusN starts worrying about colesterol
10:01:25[IDC]Dragonand solder flux fumes
10:02:20*[IDC]Dragon ebayed an Ondio yesterday
10:03:11*Zagor bought a car yesterday
10:03:25[IDC]Dragonwhith how many MB?
10:03:28Zagorfound it on the net before lunch, bought it the same evening :)
10:03:47[IDC]Dragonthat's what I call spontaneous
10:03:50ZagorLinusN: yeah, looks great. thanks!
10:04:02Zagoryeah, spontaneous shopping is the best ;)
10:04:16BagderZagor: a mini?
10:04:51Zagornah, i'm ordering that today. but it takes nearly four months to deliver so I got a Smart during the wait :-D
10:05:20Bagderdotcom-boy ;-)
10:05:25Zagorhehe
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10:08:12[IDC]DragonI was close to get a Smart, but it had 2 flaws I coudn't bear
10:09:04[IDC]Dragon1) The hard suspension, 2) the "nodding" when shifting gears
10:09:20Zagorhehe, yeah the gearbox is weird
10:09:50[IDC]Dragonelse I'd liked it, small cars are my thing
10:09:58[IDC]Dragonnow I got an Audi A2
10:10:25Zagori don't plan on keeping the Smart for long, it's only a temporary until my Mini Cooper arrives (yeah, i like small cars too ;)
10:10:52[IDC]Dragona real Mini, or that BMW lookalike?
10:11:10dwihnoMini cooper?! Haha
10:14:54Zagorthe bmw model. the real one is too uncomfortable (and not made anymore).
10:15:14Zagorit's still the smallest car on the market though, except for smart
10:16:59[IDC]Dragonhow long is it?
10:17:26[IDC]DragonI only heared that it's about 1 m longer and twice the weight of the original
10:17:43[IDC]Dragonwhich I found quite remarkable
10:19:22Zagorit's 3.65m
10:20:38[IDC]DragonMercedes A-Class is 3.57
10:20:55[IDC]Dragonbut way taller
10:22:20[IDC]Dragonanyway
10:22:39[IDC]Dragonhave fun with you car!
10:22:46[IDC]Dragonyour
10:23:10Zagoraclass is 3.83 according to their web site
10:23:28Bagderthe older aclass was shorter, I believe
10:23:30Zagormaybe differs depending on year. nm.
10:23:32[IDC]Dragonthat's the new one
10:23:35BagderI recall some commercials about that
10:24:04[IDC]DragonI'm away
10:24:30Zagorall cars grow, it's really annoying
10:33:35Bagder[IDC]Dragon: your uclpack patch doesn't apply on uclpack from the 1.03 package
10:34:14Zagori managed to whip up some activity from the iriver camp yesterday
10:35:04Zagorthey posted board scans and datasheets to the IriverInfo wiki page
10:38:23*Bagder waves
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10:41:18dwihnoZagor: rockbox om iriver? :)
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10:46:35Zagoryes
10:47:21dwihnothat would be swell!
10:57:10Zagoryeah. there's a bunch of enthusiastic people cheering about it. let's hope it becomes more than just cheering ;)
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11:00:31dwihnoIndeed :)
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11:25:23lImbusmhmm. can't switch the fonts anymore
11:33:18lImbuslol
11:33:45lImbusafter roloing into new firmware, I was not able to flash because the fonts were missing/unmatching
11:34:07lImbusduring font-update, I rebooted archos, starting the "old" flashed firmware
11:34:31lImbussuddenly, I was able to see something again. but I was not able to switch to one of the new fonts.
11:35:03lImbusthen, I roloed into the new firmware, started the rockbox.ucl, then I had to flash it BLIND.
11:35:41lImbusnow, I got my font atadore back, but the std-fonts seems to be missing. no numerical volume-display, time, no version strings in info menu...
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12:12:54Christi-SIDC-Dragon: Thanks for the info. What do you do if you blow the charging circuit?
12:15:46Christi-SAh - got it.
12:16:07Christi-SBattery had worked its way away from the contacts at the bottom of the unit somehow.
12:16:30Christi-SGiving it a bit of a poke seems to have done the job.
12:19:13Christi-SMy baby lives!
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12:28:19Lynx_lImbus: something about the font system changed, you have to redownload them i think...
12:37:03lImbusLynx_: I already did. I got the "atadore" back working, but not the one that displays Time and so on
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12:39:19Lynx_oh. don't know then...
12:39:38Lynx_but if your reinstall everthing it should work again?
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12:42:01lImbusmhmm. I havn't reinstalled all. I compiled my own daily build (with minor changes to the code) that should match to everything else
12:43:58amiconnlImbus: Did you recompile convbdf ?
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13:07:57lImbusyes, I did
13:32:32[IDC]DragonI'm back
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14:04:51[IDC]Dragondoes anybody have a pointer to an MMC driver?
14:09:54amiconn[IDC]Dragon: Already analyzing the Ondio hardware ;)
14:09:55amiconn?
14:11:27[IDC]Dragonjust doing the theory
14:12:32[IDC]Dragonwe have an MMC driver in the project I'm working on, but that's not public
14:18:07amiconnIirc all those memory cards (excluding SmartMedia) feature an inbuilt ata controller, so it won't be difficult to implement I guess
14:21:04[IDC]Dragoncotroller yes, but I doubt it's ATA
14:21:19*[IDC]Dragon should have access to the specs, searches
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14:33:54*[IDC]Dragon doesn't find it, only some other tidbits
14:34:39[IDC]DragonMMC communication uses CRC
14:35:00[IDC]Dragonthis and the bitbanging may be very slow...
14:35:31[IDC]Dragondepending on how they interfaced it, but I expect the worst
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14:50:36BagderJens/Jörg: can you add the rombox .lds file as one single file to the CVS, like the app.lds is today?
14:51:40[IDC]Dragondo you want it as an additional file, or merged with app.lds?
14:52:02Bagderwhatever is most convenient to maintain
14:52:45BagderI'll preprocess the file like the existing one
14:54:21[IDC]Dragonwe'll links twice, correct?
14:54:26[IDC]Dragonlink
14:54:26amiconnI think it should be a separate file. The variants (v1/v2/fm) can be handled with simple #ifdefs. We should keep in mind that the start addresses are tailored for the current flash images.
14:54:27Bagderyes
14:54:53[IDC]Dragonthen it should be an extra file, apart from app.lds
14:55:03BagderI'm ok with that
14:55:30amiconn[IDC]Dragon: http://www.mmca.org/tech/MMC-System-Summary-v3.31.pdf
14:55:34[IDC]Dragonjust do an #if around the 1 line with the base address then
14:56:50Bagderright, me fix
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15:02:12amiconnBtw: MMC is an open standard, unlike SD: http://www.open-mag.com/features/Vol_17/storage_standards/storage_standards.htm
15:02:28*Bagder added firmware/rom.lds just now
15:02:53BagderI do have one problem though
15:03:13BagderI get an overlapping section
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15:07:39amiconnbagder: The #ifdef'ing misses a third option - the fm recorder
15:07:58BagderI know, this is just a quick shot
15:08:14BagderI think we should better define stuff in the config-*.h files
15:08:24Bagderthen we don't need any ifdef
15:08:28amiconnOkay. What is the exact message, concerning the overlapping section?
15:08:38Bagderwanna try my makefile patch?
15:09:21Bagder /usr/local/sh-elf/lib/gcc-lib/sh-elf/3.3.1/../../../../sh-elf/bin/ld: section .datacopy [0000000002011010 -> 0000000002011893] overlaps section .data [0000000002011010 -> 0000000002011893]
15:10:03Bagdertry this http://daniel.haxx.se/makefile.patch
15:18:23amiconnBagder: Hmm, these sections are meant to be identical, seems that you use a newer version of make, since I don't get this
15:18:50Bagderwhat binutils did you use?
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15:20:27[IDC]Dragonis this related to the .iramcopy problem Linus got when switching to gcc3.4? Some hack didn't work any more.
15:20:38Bagderthis is gcc 3.3.1
15:20:57Bagderamiconn: can you try my makefile patch and see if it builds a good rombox for you?
15:21:09amiconn[IDC]Dragon: This _is_ the same problem Linus got when switching to newer binutils
15:21:55BagderI'm using 2.15
15:22:31*Bagder walks off for a while
15:22:42amiconnBagder: My binutils are the cygwin package sh-binutils by Eric Lassauge, build date 20030901-EL-1
15:22:57amiconnWhere can I check the version?
15:24:00amiconnI can try the makefile patch, but can't check the binaries atm (not at home atm, whereas my recorder is)
15:25:04[IDC]DragonBagder: for the FM, the start index would be 0x14010
15:25:51amiconn[IDC]Dragon: I mentioned this on the RomBox wiki page
15:25:57Bagdersh-elf-ld −−version
15:26:17[IDC]Dragonamiconn: just tellin...
15:26:21amiconnGNU ld version 2.14.90 20030901
15:27:50Bagderits very annoying that this is so sensitive on correct gcc and binutils and whatever
15:28:27kurzhaarrockerLinusN: are you still interested in including the recording trigger or did I make you give up with my crappy code? ;)
15:29:48[IDC]DragonBagder: it probably doesn't have to, LinusN fixed his iramcopy trick in a backwards compatible way
15:30:08Bagderaha
15:30:32[IDC]Dragonand ROMbox doesn't *require* gcc3.3, it just helps on the size
15:31:17LinusNkurzhaarrocker: i am very interested, i just haven't had time during my vacation
15:31:31kurzhaarrockerToo many fish I hope :)
15:31:46LinusN:-)
15:32:12LinusN[IDC]Dragon: do you know anything about the panasonic cd changer protocol?
15:32:29LinusNwhat's the polarity of the serial data line?
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15:33:26[IDC]Dragonfrankly, I don't know
15:33:38[IDC]Dragondoes it look similar to Alpine?
15:33:47[IDC]Dragonhow many wires?
15:37:30[IDC]DragonLinusN: what are you up to?
15:37:30LinusNnever mind, i'll find out, i just asked you in case you knew
15:37:57LinusNi want to enable the cd changer input in my car
15:38:25[IDC]Dragonwith a uC?
15:38:37[IDC]Dragonor Archos?
15:38:44amiconnBagder: (makefile patch) (1) make clean doesn't remove linkrom.lds and rombox.[elf|bin]. (2) it fails after trying to build rombox.ucl:
15:38:45LinusNyeah, i thought of a pic
15:39:03amiconnuclpack -none /home/Administrator/rb-patched/build-recorder/rombox.bin /home/Administrator/rb-patche
15:39:03amiconnd/build-recorder/rombox.ucl
15:39:03amiconnmake[1]: *** [/home/Administrator/rb-patched/build-recorder/rombox.ucl] Error 1
15:39:03DBUGEnqueued KICK amiconn
15:39:03amiconnmake[1]: Leaving directory `/home/Administrator/rb-patched/apps'
15:39:04amiconnmake: *** [apps] Error 2
15:39:31Bagderis it possible that uclpack doesn't return 0 when -none is used?
15:39:48[IDC]Dragonoops, perhaps
15:39:52amiconnThe file rombox.ucl isn't generated either
15:41:00amiconnBagder: Probably found it: you wrote -none instead of −−none
15:41:07Bagderoh
15:42:06amiconnTesting...
15:43:18amiconn..build succeeded
15:43:26Bagdergoodie
15:43:43amiconnComparing rombox.ucl with what is produced by my "old" build process...
15:44:19amiconnIs there some standard binary comparison tool?
15:44:25Bagdercmp
15:45:20amiconnArgs, of corse they differ - different build time
15:45:27amiconn*course
15:45:49Bagderthey should be the same size though
15:46:10amiconnSize is the same, so it does look good
15:47:38amiconn179388 bytes when compiling for recorder v1
15:47:49amiconn*179338 bytes
15:51:40[IDC]DragonBagder: does/will your build check the size of rockbox.bin plus ROM_START? and skip the rombox generation if >256k?
15:53:10Bagdernot yet
15:53:54lImbusLinusN: do you remember you told me the "External:" power indication in Debug->battery is wrong ? IiIrc, you said it's wrong scale.
15:54:10[IDC]Dragonwould be cool, and automatically take care about the FM image not fitting
15:54:21Bagder[IDC]Dragon: since it fails for me now it is a bit hard to try out the fancy parts
15:54:58[IDC]Dragonsorry for being pushy
15:55:04Bagderno worries
15:55:29lImbusLinusN: I just bought a new (universal) "wall wart" and whatever voltage I set up, it's showing +- 5.30 (like the original ac power does) or nothing (= 0.00)
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15:57:08kurzhaarrockerlImbus: iirc the voltage of the battery is shown. But what you switch on your walwart plugin is the input voltage. I wouldn't set it highter than 9 V.
15:57:52Zagori charge my jbr20 with 12V
15:58:02Zagor(if that's what you are discussing?)
15:58:26kurzhaarrockerDoesn't it get very hot, Zagor?
15:58:36Zagorno
15:58:46CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
15:58:46*kurzhaarrocker shrugs
15:59:09BagderLinusN: you aware of the needed binutil 2.15 "hack" ?
15:59:26Zagoraccording to data in the batteryfaq, 11V+ charging is 2x faster than 9V
15:59:56kurzhaarrockerok. It's been a while since I last read the battery faq...
15:59:56LinusNBagder: needed hack?
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16:00:16amiconnLinusN: Overlapping sections...
16:00:57LinusNwell, i changed the rockbox lds file to be able to link with the newest binutils
16:00:58Zagorhmm. tortoisecvs has *removed* btween 1.4.0 and 1.6.14 :(
16:01:08Zagorremoved features
16:02:07BagderLinusN: it doesn't with the rom.lds file
16:02:36LinusNBagder: i didn't write the rom.lds file
16:02:40BagderI know
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16:02:59Bagderbut it needs the same fix I guess
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16:04:12Bagderbtw
16:04:28Bagderanyone object if I make the build output a little less talking?
16:04:42LinusNBagder: you're welcome
16:04:53Zagoras long as the autobuild error parsing still works i don't mind
16:05:03Bagderit'll still work
16:05:05LinusNgotta go now
16:05:08LinusNcu guys
16:05:11Zagorbye
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16:09:37Bagderupdated http://daniel.haxx.se/makefile.patch
16:10:29Bagderit is now both rombox build and talk-less fixed
16:10:58Bagderbbl
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16:25:39lImbuskurzhaarrocker: have a look at it. there is a line for the batt voltage as well es one for the external.
16:26:09jborockbox developers: thank you for the best thing since sliced bread
16:26:22lImbusaltough the external delivers about 9 v (verified) the display says something about 5,30 v.
16:26:33jbo(altho it's still not quite as good as cold beer)
16:27:07kurzhaarrockerThat's interesting, lImbus
16:27:09lImbusLinus said it's a scaling bug. And I tried to adjust the ac-adaptors voltage by controlling the display, but this doesn't work either.
16:27:50jboi do have a question, tho - when flashing my recorder (v1) to the latest CVS build, the firmware_rec.bin files are missing and only available in the 2.2 version
16:28:09jbowill this affect the success of the flashing?
16:29:02kurzhaarrockerMine says ~15V. A value that makes sense for 9V transformer without load.
16:29:11kurzhaarrocker(it's not chargin now)
16:35:59lImbuskurzhaarrocker: which model ?
16:36:06kurzhaarrockerRecorder 15
16:36:19kurzhaarrocker(V1)
16:36:28lImbusso a v1. me too (v1 20 upgraded to 40)
16:37:08lImbusmine is not charging either and says 5.30
16:39:51jbowhoops. sorry y'all, just read up on "Bringing in a current or personal build of Rockbox"
16:39:54jbomea culpa
16:40:45lImbusjbo: np. I just wanted to recommend you to first (/intially) flash with 2.2, then update to a daily build
16:41:19jboalready upgraded to 2.2, but i'm having some problems with weird and intermittent stopping
16:41:42jboi breifly put the 02sept2004 version on it yesterday and it was gloriously free of such issues
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16:45:26lImbusstopping ? never heard about that
16:47:45jboyeah. sometimes it'll play a few seconds of the song then stop and go back to the song listings, as if i had stopped it myself
16:49:09lImbusI just checked: I ordered my unit a week after 2.2 has been released.
16:50:34jboso lemme get this straight
16:51:09jboto flash the daily build (after 2.2 has been sucessfully flashed), i put the daily rockbox.ajz and 'rocks' directory onto my archos recorder
16:51:19jbothen play the .ucl file
16:51:23jbo?
16:51:30jboand that's it?
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16:52:27[IDC]Dragonjbo: play the .ajz first, to be consistent
16:52:35jboduly noted
16:52:37webguest83Anyone know if I can run the archos off of a power supply only and remove the batteries?
16:54:07jbothe supplied wall warts don't produce enough current to run the archos sans batteries, iirc
16:54:43webguest83k- thanks
16:54:48[IDC]Dragonwebguest83: see the list, there is currently an ongoing experiment
16:55:05[IDC]Dragonwith a power schottky diode
16:55:24webguest83hmm, interesting
16:55:32webguest83thanks
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16:57:54lImbusjbo: I guess you are french ;-)
16:58:22jbouhhh no
16:58:33lImbusat least french speaking ?
16:58:51jboi took two years of french in high school, but that was 9 years ago
16:59:42jboother than a year of german in college, i can speak english and american fluently
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17:00:19lImbusstrange there is a french word that slipped in your quote at 16:45 (my timezone)
17:00:27lImbus'sans'
17:00:50lImbusgosh, I just see it's an english word too.
17:01:02jbohehehe, yeah
17:01:22jbono, i'm an american, but please don't hold it against me
17:01:38lImbusI know not every american voted bush ;-)
17:01:47lImbusnot even the half !
17:03:35jboif kerry doesn't win this election, i'm seriously considering moving to canada or mexico
17:04:07jboi'll be damned if i let that drunk fratboy run this country into a ditch even further and get into more wars to cover it up
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17:17:04LePoulpe303Hi all
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17:21:30lImbussalut
17:22:01LePoulpe303salut !
17:22:57LePoulpe303je cherche le Mc Gyver de l'Archos ... tu sais ou je peux le trouver ;-)
17:24:07dwihnoHaiduk!
17:24:19dwihnoDragosta din tei!
17:24:43dwihnoSomething church mcgyver of archos we are peas, driving rovers?
17:25:02dwihnoUne baguette avec saucisson et fromage pour moi, s'il vous plait
17:25:42lImbuslol @all
17:26:48lImbusthere are a few archos-mcgyvers here around (not me). maybe you should ask in english ?
17:27:32LePoulpe303or esperanro
17:27:34LePoulpe303Ne forgesu
17:27:34LePoulpe303ke vivo estas
17:27:34LePoulpe303vico de etaj detaloj.
17:27:47LePoulpe303no seriously
17:28:24dwihnodetaloj?
17:29:24dwihnoNe ver, ne bojsia, ne prosi
17:32:11[IDC]Dragonich verstehe hier nichts mehr
17:32:23dwihnoIch verstehe alles was sie gesagen hat!
17:34:21LePoulpe303my (+) button on my archos studio 20 is almost broken ; i'm afraid my favorite toy will be unsable then
17:35:55LePoulpe303i've seen pics on rockbox site to change hard disk ; it explain how to dissamble it
17:36:07LePoulpe303disassemble sorry
17:36:39dwihnoIt's quite simple
17:36:56dwihnoI guess it's not such a big difference between disassembling the recorder
17:37:03dwihnoLoosen the torx-screws
17:37:07dwihnoLift of the bumpers
17:37:14dwihnoLift the IC's
17:37:17LePoulpe303but i don't want to totally dissassemble the jukebox to see i can't change the button
17:37:18dwihnoEt voila
17:37:37dwihnoI am a hardware analphabet and I was able to do it.
17:38:09LePoulpe303and i have to left hands
17:38:14LePoulpe303with 5 thumbs on each hand
17:38:33dwihnoWell, I have 6 thumbs ;)
17:38:36LePoulpe303:-)
17:38:39dwihnoit's not that hard
17:38:46LePoulpe303ok ; i'll try it this week
17:38:46dwihnoJust be a bit careful
17:39:11LePoulpe303i will not unassemble it oustide under the rain
17:39:17LePoulpe303or storm
17:41:08LePoulpe303ok thanks ; you increased my moral
17:41:20dwihnoMission accomplished
17:41:28dwihnoDon't blame me when you've broken your unit
17:41:32dwihnoJust kidding ;)
17:41:48LePoulpe303my god
17:42:56LePoulpe303perhaps i should buy a 60 go hd and plug it
17:43:19LePoulpe303please god help me
17:43:27LePoulpe303thanks for advice nevertheless
17:43:32LePoulpe303c u soon
17:43:34LePoulpe303bye
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17:48:08dwihno\o/
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18:28:42[IDC]Dragonbagawk: nothing personal
18:28:45[IDC]Dragon;-)
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18:29:02bagawklol
18:30:12bagawkamiconn: do the new changes bagder made always have rombox enabled?
18:31:07amiconnIf the missing piece will be committed, yes. He didn't commit his changed makefile yet (still needs some debugging)
18:31:59amiconnThe build process will the always build rombox.ucl along with rockbox.ucl
18:32:43bagawkbecause of the linker file, won't it have to be linked twice now? (you odnt want a rombox ajbrec.ajz!)
18:32:56amiconnYes, it gets linked twice
18:35:26amiconnThere are 2 linker scripts now
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18:36:56dwihnoWill rombox be a part of the daily builds?
18:37:25amiconn[18:31:10] <amiconn> If the missing piece will be committed, yes. He didn't commit his changed makefile yet (still needs some debugging)
18:38:31dwihnoaaah
18:38:32dwihnoMe is tired.
18:38:36dwihnoWorking too much.
18:38:45dwihnoToo many hours overtime this week already.
18:39:07bagawki should get working on the checkers plugin again
18:39:15bagawkthe ai is almost done :)
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18:55:49oxygen77hello midk
18:56:00oxygen77and hello all :)
18:56:38bagawkhi oxygen77
18:58:12midkhey oxy!
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18:58:52midkhow're you?
18:58:59_schoki2Hi oxy
18:59:26midkoxy, i have a password for cvs?
18:59:53_schoki2hehe
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19:01:28oxygen77_back
19:01:30midkwelcome back :)
19:01:42oxygen77_I'm still in tunisia :)
19:01:44midki asked, do i have a cvs password? cos i don't know it. :)
19:01:55oxygen77_but using my father's computer
19:02:12oxygen77_nd can only connect to the port 80
19:02:17midkhow's your vacation?
19:02:31oxygen77_you should use the password for normal sf access
19:02:42oxygen77_good just coming back from th beach
19:02:51midkoh, i seee
19:02:54midk:] thanks
19:02:57midkgood
19:03:06oxygen77_pretty nice weather, the water is a bit hot
19:03:18oxygen77_any news?
19:03:22midktoo hot = not good
19:03:55midkhmm, well not much, still working on play.c, i've ported my clock a bit but i still have to come up with a few clever bits of code for it to run best :)
19:04:29oxygen77_k
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19:04:40midki did optimize your fillrect for faster lcd clearing, just drawing [color] pixels in rows and columns until the screen is empty, works better than your method but still could be better
19:04:55oxygen77_k
19:05:04oxygen77_need to go now
19:05:15oxygen77_restaurent waiting ....
19:05:16oxygen77_:)
19:05:20oxygen77_cu
19:05:21midkseeya oxy, enjoy! :)
19:05:25oxygen77_thx
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