| 00:01:58 | amiconn | m/s stereo does encode the sum (left+right) and the difference (left-right) instead of the left and right channels. This does usually need less bits, because the difference signal carries less information |
| 00:03:27 | Zagor | fyi: my commit adds a few warnings to the ondio build (unused functions in radio and recording), but I did not think adding lots of temporary ifdefs was important |
| 00:05:13 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, thanks |
| 00:05:26 | Zagor | ahh, I forgot the neo build of course... 122 errors :) |
| 00:05:38 | [IDC]Dragon | ;-) |
| 00:05:45 | [IDC]Dragon | a lot to fix |
| 00:11:19 | amiconn | Btw: why is the radio stuff compiled for Ondio SP? It seems the source tree layout has to change a bit, now that having a radio and being able to record is independent from having a graphical display. |
| 00:12:25 | Zagor | the sp and fm are not separated at all yet. we'll fix this soon. |
| 00:12:44 | Zagor | other than the config.h, i mean |
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| 00:14:13 | kamayaka | hi there, still anybody awake for recorder fm problem (hardware :)) |
| 00:15:16 | kamayaka | hmm seems as if not :\ |
| 00:15:33 | [IDC]Dragon | what problem? |
| 00:15:53 | [IDC]Dragon | don't ask if you may ask, just ask |
| 00:16:00 | kamayaka | the switching oszillator of the recorder fm of a friend of mine burned.... |
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| 00:16:24 | kamayaka | the problem is that not all the parts in the schematics have proper values... |
| 00:16:42 | [IDC]Dragon | you mean a power regulator? |
| 00:16:43 | kamayaka | the switching regulator is replaceable but one diode seems broken |
| 00:16:57 | kamayaka | itīs a switching power regulator |
| 00:17:08 | kamayaka | U15 MC34063A |
| 00:17:52 | [IDC]Dragon | and what exactly is the question? |
| 00:18:43 | kamayaka | if anybody has better schematics than the ones on the web |
| 00:18:53 | kamayaka | type of diode isnīt mentioned |
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| 00:19:21 | Gn4t | anyone alive? |
| 00:19:34 | [IDC]Dragon | we don't have schematics for the FM at all... |
| 00:20:19 | [IDC]Dragon | diodes involved with switching power are usually Shottky |
| 00:20:34 | kamayaka | didnīt mean the fm sorry. |
| 00:20:39 | kamayaka | just recorder 20 |
| 00:20:44 | Zagor | Gn4t: how can we tell? :) |
| 00:20:47 | kamayaka | jupp shottky i know but which type |
| 00:21:28 | [IDC]Dragon | I don't think it's critical, pich one with a decent power rating |
| 00:21:54 | [IDC]Dragon | and/or look into the datasheet of the chip, what they suggest |
| 00:22:23 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: impressive commit |
| 00:22:46 | kamayaka | 1N5819 diode four times bigger than the normal 1n4001 |
| 00:22:55 | kamayaka | (in the data sheet) |
| 00:23:06 | kamayaka | well iīll see how i can fix it |
| 00:23:16 | Gn4t | Hey guys - I've got a dead box, and I was just reading about reflashing it |
| 00:23:18 | Zagor | [IDC]Dragon: thanks.... i think? ;) |
| 00:23:39 | Zagor | Gn4t: how is it dead? |
| 00:23:39 | Gn4t | im wondering if anyone thinks my issue is hardware related as opposed to firmware related |
| 00:24:11 | Gn4t | it simply wont turn on, whether in battery mode, or plugged into the AC adapter, or plugged into the computer |
| 00:24:56 | Gn4t | I only have USB1.1 so I left it transfering overnight and sometime in the night it had a transfer error and since then it wont turn on at all, no leds, no nothing |
| 00:25:01 | Gn4t | no sound etc |
| 00:25:19 | Gn4t | it still gets warm to the touch when you plug it in to charge, so idont think its battery related |
| 00:25:28 | Zagor | just to be sure, try charging the batteries in an external charger |
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| 00:26:17 | Gn4t | hmm |
| 00:26:44 | Gn4t | it has a 1 year parts warranty and im inexperienced with things of this sort, do you think itd be better to just send it back? |
| 00:27:26 | Zagor | Try the external charger first. If that doesn't work, send it back. |
| 00:27:48 | Zagor | or wait, which model do you have? |
| 00:28:05 | Gn4t | recorder 20 v2 |
| 00:28:25 | Zagor | oh, ok. well then you can't charge externally. |
| 00:28:37 | Gn4t | thought so |
| 00:28:44 | Zagor | so if you've already tried and failed charging it, send it back |
| 00:29:00 | Gn4t | alrighty, thats what i expected |
| 00:29:06 | Gn4t | thanks |
| 00:29:45 | * | [IDC]Dragon needs to sleep |
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| 00:29:52 | Zagor | don't leave your next box in usb mode overnight. it's not really designed for such prolonged usb use |
| 00:32:30 | Gn4t | i think ill just use my other machine that USB2 so the transfer doesnt take 7 hours |
| 00:32:40 | amiconn | Zagor: I just discovered another quirk with the new button code: |
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| 00:34:09 | Zagor | yes? |
| 00:34:40 | amiconn | Try the following: (1) Put the cursor on a file. (2) Press on+play. You get the Onplay menu. (3) Select "rename". You are in the rename function now. Leave that with "cancel". (4) Press On+Play on the file a second time. You now jump right into the rename function, instead of getting the Onplay menu |
| 00:35:08 | Zagor | wow! |
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| 00:35:55 | Zagor | that's on player? |
| 00:35:59 | amiconn | yup |
| 00:36:04 | Zagor | ok |
| 00:36:20 | amiconn | Didn't try on the recorder yet, but could do so |
| 00:36:30 | Zagor | i just tried there, couldn't make it happen |
| 00:37:06 | amiconn | I need more USB ports... |
| 00:37:10 | Zagor | :) |
| 00:39:31 | amiconn | Happens to me on the recorder too, but even worse... it jumps into rename right away, not only at the second time |
| 00:40:16 | Zagor | ok |
| 00:40:49 | amiconn | I tried clean builds |
| 00:41:28 | Zagor | ah ok now I see it too |
| 00:41:50 | Zagor | the menu triggers on PLAY|RELEASE... |
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| 00:42:34 | amiconn | It's probably the same problem that triggers the double-leave from info->version |
| 00:43:08 | Zagor | yes |
| 00:43:28 | amiconn | This does also happen on recorder, *if* you leave "version" with OFF |
| 00:44:44 | Zagor | argh, I fixed the version bug but only for player... |
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| 00:51:53 | amiconn | Zagor: Btw, what's a "recording keypad"? |
| 00:52:37 | Zagor | where do you see that? |
| 00:52:56 | amiconn | apps/recorder/recording.c |
| 00:53:26 | Zagor | nice typo |
| 00:55:48 | amiconn | "Press ON to debug" is no longer correct. You do now accept any button |
| 00:56:14 | Zagor | yes, but also ON :) i couldn't think of new text that was short enough |
| 00:56:29 | midk | "Any key to debug" |
| 00:56:55 | Zagor | sure, that works |
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| 01:00:37 | Zagor | hmm, i think i should redo the menu code instead of triggering so much on release. triggering on press gives better ergonomics. |
| 01:00:58 | Zagor | ...but not tonight. i'm off to bed now. |
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| 01:06:20 | HElllish | hi |
| 01:07:36 | HElllish | does anyone have any info on when the iriver ihp-120 firmware is gona be released by rockbox |
| 01:09:33 | amiconn | HElllish: You'll have to be patient I think. The iriver port is in a rather early stage |
| 01:10:54 | HElllish | ok, just hoping for fixes on a few things like the 52 character limit which kinda sucks |
| 01:11:01 | HElllish | and also on the fly playlists |
| 01:11:12 | HElllish | wonder y iriver themselves havent actually fixed these problems |
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| 08:39:09 | Bagder | Zagor: is the Neo build disabled? |
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| 08:40:27 | [IDC]Dragon | hey, everybody is so early today |
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| 08:43:44 | midk | i wanted to point out: on the firmware feature comparison chart, "Easy User Interface" is really more of a matter of opinion than a feature |
| 08:43:56 | [IDC]Dragon2 | Zagor: Ondio key handlingis nice now :-) |
| 08:44:08 | midk | i'd say it's easier, mainly because i'm used to it - when i started, back in 1.4, i had to take a while to learn it |
| 08:45:10 | [IDC]Dragon2 | midk: agreed, I won't mark that as a feature |
| 08:45:27 | [IDC]Dragon2 | btw, this whole table is kind of obsolete |
| 08:45:54 | midk | a few things seem to be a bit wrong: archos f/w doesn't support pre-recording, just on the FMs and on the FM radio |
| 08:46:02 | [IDC]Dragon2 | back from the days they had to convince people switching from Archos to Rockbox |
| 08:46:16 | midk | :) |
| 08:46:50 | Bagder | I agree |
| 08:48:01 | midk | some of the features that are listed are sort of random: i see "customizable backlight timeout" (archos yes, rockbox yes) but not "customizable lcd contrast" −− i think some of the more common things like that should be taken out |
| 08:48:23 | Bagder | feel free to provide a patch for it |
| 08:48:33 | Bagder | the source file is in CVS |
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| 08:48:41 | midk | i may just do that :) |
| 08:48:50 | midk | but it's time for bed now, so talk to you all later |
| 08:50:25 | [IDC]Dragon2 | I found another FAT16 badness: no space for our special config sector, because with FAT16 there is no unused space behind the boot sector |
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| 08:52:31 | amiconn | good morning |
| 08:52:42 | [IDC]Dragon2 | hi Jens |
| 08:53:24 | [IDC]Dragon2 | Befory you came, I just wrote: "I found another FAT16 badness: no space for our special config sector, because with FAT16 there is no unused space behind the boot sector" |
| 08:53:27 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: (lack of config sector space) Guess why archos uses that .bin file in the root |
| 08:53:46 | [IDC]Dragon2 | yes, saw that |
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| 08:57:43 | amiconn | When FAT16 was designed, storage space was precious (unlike today) |
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| 09:05:40 | LinusN | [IDC]Dragon2: the config sector is located before the FAT |
| 09:06:03 | LinusN | the FAT starts at sector 63, the config sector is on sector 61 |
| 09:06:30 | [IDC]Dragon2 | yes, but on FAT16, there is no such gap |
| 09:07:40 | LinusN | that has nothing to do with the file system |
| 09:07:54 | LinusN | the first partition starts on sector 63 |
| 09:08:08 | LinusN | your disk is probably not partitioned |
| 09:08:40 | [IDC]Dragon2 | ah, then I mistakenly talked about the partition boot sector and its FAT |
| 09:09:17 | [IDC]Dragon2 | I wasn't looking at the disk, just some magazine article |
| 09:10:45 | amiconn | LinusN: What happens if the # of sectors per track is <62? |
| 09:13:14 | LinusN | amiconn: then we're in trouble :-) |
| 09:15:36 | * | Bagder reads some stats. >12000 visitors came to our site from the last slashdot article |
| 09:16:01 | [IDC]Dragon2 | oh my god! |
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| 09:16:59 | [IDC]Dragon | how can you stand that pressure? |
| 09:17:00 | Bagder | we normally hav ~2500 visits per day |
| 09:17:14 | Bagder | on sep 8 we had 14200 |
| 09:17:56 | dwihno | is that a good or bad thing |
| 09:17:57 | dwihno | ? |
| 09:18:07 | Bagder | well |
| 09:18:16 | Bagder | they mostly came for the iriver blurb |
| 09:18:28 | dwihno | yeah |
| 09:18:28 | Bagder | and we still have a long way to go before we have something for it |
| 09:19:04 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, greatly underestimated |
| 09:19:09 | Bagder | but in general I think getting visitors is good as it spreads the knowledge about us |
| 09:21:33 | Bagder | > 1000 visitors came from this article: http://www.itavisen.no/art/1304358.html |
| 09:22:48 | Bagder | which is basicly a slashdot rewrite |
| 09:23:19 | dwihno | "Pirat-firmware" |
| 09:23:24 | dwihno | doesn't sound to flattering |
| 09:24:22 | Zagor | remember that the headlines are not written by the article authors |
| 09:24:58 | Zagor | the article itself calls it alternative firmware |
| 09:25:16 | dwihno | Bad mojo! |
| 09:26:10 | Zagor | nah |
| 09:26:44 | Zagor | Bagder: yes, I disabled the neo build since I couldn't be bothered to fix the new button handling for it. we should remove it altogether since nobody cares about the neo |
| 09:27:20 | Bagder | Yeps. We know we can do it, but there's just no users who want it. |
| 09:29:39 | Nibbler | is there much similar between archos/iriver? |
| 09:30:05 | Zagor | only conceptual. the hardware is very different. |
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| 09:31:25 | Nibbler | mhm |
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| 10:09:07 | Zagor | neo going |
| 10:11:19 | Zagor | neo gone |
| 10:15:20 | LinusN | kill, kill, kill!!!! |
| 10:21:48 | Zagor | does anyone know how to change the X keymap in cygwin? setxkbmap doesn't work. |
| 10:24:42 | * | pillo_ had lots of problems too |
| 10:25:58 | Bagder | btw |
| 10:26:07 | Bagder | I'm planning a major makefile overhaul |
| 10:27:05 | Zagor | how are you planning to do? |
| 10:27:30 | Bagder | first, make the CC choice in the root makefile generated by configure |
| 10:27:53 | Bagder | then, I hope to unite all 4 current makefiles into a single generated one |
| 10:28:11 | Zagor | 4? |
| 10:28:25 | Bagder | firmware, apps, apps/plugins, apps/plugins/lib |
| 10:28:55 | Zagor | ah. how do you avoid building firmware/test? |
| 10:28:58 | Bagder | the point being that the only the pieces for the chosen target are included |
| 10:29:30 | Zagor | so the configure script basically contains a list of all source files, and selects those used for each target? |
| 10:29:50 | Bagder | I'm not quite sure yet exactly how it'll end up |
| 10:30:39 | Zagor | I was just thinking we are doing pretty well with the current simple #ifdef system for selecting drivers |
| 10:31:01 | Bagder | the makefiles are too complicated imo |
| 10:31:04 | Zagor | not that it's ideal, but it works pretty well |
| 10:31:09 | Zagor | yes, I agree about that |
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| 10:31:37 | Bagder | I'll work on my approach as a separate build approach, and then we can test it out and bounce ideas |
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| 10:32:55 | Zagor | yup |
| 10:34:09 | Bagder | oh, and my approach won't use make -C |
| 10:34:29 | Zagor | right, but then you need a list of code somewhere |
| 10:34:35 | Bagder | yes |
| 10:34:47 | Bagder | currently I have "Makefile.tmpl" files |
| 10:35:00 | Bagder | (basicly the renamed original makefiles) |
| 10:35:40 | Zagor | but those use $(wildcard *.c) |
| 10:35:48 | Bagder | yes |
| 10:35:54 | Bagder | and I'll let them do that for now |
| 10:35:59 | Zagor | ok |
| 10:36:52 | Zagor | maybe we should look at the linux config and build system, to see if there are any good ideas we can borrow |
| 10:37:01 | Bagder | yeps |
| 10:48:16 | [IDC]Dragon | Zagor: you've been bidding for that broken ihp already? |
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| 10:48:50 | Zagor | yup. it rises like crazy. i'll see if i can snipe it this afternoon. |
| 10:49:19 | [IDC]Dragon | sniping meas not bidding beforehand... |
| 10:49:26 | [IDC]Dragon | s/meas/means |
| 10:49:36 | Zagor | no, it just means bidding last |
| 10:49:50 | Zagor | but yeah, it was a mistake to place a bid so early |
| 10:49:59 | Zagor | i'm an ebay newbie :) |
| 10:50:04 | [IDC]Dragon | the idea is not not raise the price by "premature" bidding |
| 10:50:17 | [IDC]Dragon | oh, sorry |
| 10:50:45 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, I saw the (0) |
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| 10:52:15 | [IDC]Dragon | if everybody is aware of the rules, sniping is pointless |
| 10:54:37 | Zagor | not really. it still limits bidding, since the time runs out. it's not a magic bullet, but also not pointless. |
| 10:56:13 | [IDC]Dragon | I mean, if everybody places his personal max. as a single bid, it doesn't matter when this happens |
| 10:56:41 | Zagor | right, but people don't do that because they hope to come away with less than their max |
| 10:56:52 | [IDC]Dragon | but people tend to advance their max |
| 10:57:13 | Zagor | exactly, because the the amount they enter isn't their true max |
| 10:57:28 | [IDC]Dragon | you'd still get away with less than your max, because the 2nd highest determines the price |
| 10:57:52 | Zagor | yes but only if a third person does not also bid (and we are more than two bidding in this auction) |
| 10:58:32 | [IDC]Dragon | no matter how many, the 2nd highest rules the price |
| 10:59:04 | [IDC]Dragon | but we bore each other with these trivial stuff ;-) |
| 10:59:05 | Zagor | yes. so you want the auction to end before the third guy comes in and places a higher bid |
| 10:59:21 | Zagor | too late ;) |
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| 11:14:09 | [IDC]Dragon | does the fat test code still build under linux? |
| 11:14:45 | Zagor | i'll test |
| 11:14:59 | Zagor | yes |
| 11:15:41 | [IDC]Dragon | trying to patch a project together, for MSVC |
| 11:16:56 | Zagor | you are a masochist :) |
| 11:18:02 | [IDC]Dragon | but it debugs real nicely |
| 11:21:50 | * | Zagor faints from looking at the price of blade servers |
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| 11:53:09 | [IDC]Dragon | phew, got the fat test to compile |
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| 11:58:09 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I did identify the full range of routines dealing with mmc in the original ondio fw now |
| 11:59:53 | [IDC]Dragon | too lazy for own engineering? ;-) |
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| 12:00:20 | [IDC]Dragon | (that's usually quicker) |
| 12:00:21 | amiconn | Plus: I found the archos bitswap. Although much more unrolled than our version (swapping 16 bytes per loop), it's still ~20% slower :) |
| 12:00:41 | [IDC]Dragon | so much for own engineering |
| 12:01:16 | [IDC]Dragon | any idea what the problem is with your MMC functions? |
| 12:01:18 | amiconn | Yes, but I try to understand how this is supposed to work from the original code. |
| 12:01:46 | amiconn | Not yet. I'll probably toss what I have now and start again :( |
| 12:02:57 | amiconn | Still, we can learn from the code about different hardware versions. Btw: Did _any_ Ondio user other than me respond to your request(s)? |
| 12:03:07 | [IDC]Dragon | lunch time |
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| 12:55:04 | [IDC]Dragon | back again |
| 12:55:52 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: no other Ondio users spotted yet |
| 12:58:41 | Lynx_ | how well does the ondio sell anyway? |
| 12:59:02 | [IDC]Dragon | no idea, I don't sell them |
| 12:59:50 | Lynx_ | [IDC]Dragon: i didn't think so ;) |
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| 13:06:57 | ashridah | i must say, here is the only place i've ever heard of an ondio |
| 13:07:45 | [IDC]Dragon | its' a cute littly box |
| 13:08:21 | [IDC]Dragon | together with a leading edge capacity MMC (which I don't have) |
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| 13:18:52 | ashridah | mmc ? |
| 13:20:30 | amiconn | ashridah: MultiMediaCard, flash memory card format. Currently available up to 1 GB |
| 13:22:07 | ashridah | ah |
| 13:27:24 | [IDC]Dragon | Samsung announced a new flash chip generation |
| 13:27:37 | [IDC]Dragon | making 16 GB possible |
| 13:27:58 | [IDC]Dragon | (probably in CF) |
| 13:37:39 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: (as for own engineering would be faster) This is only true if you have the complete specs. We don't have Ondio schematics... |
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| 13:41:24 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: what are we missing? |
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| 14:06:40 | amiconn | We have the full port assignment list, but we don't know for all of them what was the intention for this assignment |
| 14:07:11 | [IDC]Dragon | the schematics won't tell you that, either |
| 14:07:44 | [IDC]Dragon | that 7408 is the key to how togate the clock |
| 14:08:28 | [IDC]Dragon | I don't see any more woes for the MMC hookup |
| 14:09:14 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe I'll draw the '08 part as a circuit, to make it more clear |
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| 14:10:51 | [IDC]Dragon | grr, I dumped the partition, not the whole disk |
| 14:20:01 | Zagor | ouch, bandwidth is expensive |
| 14:20:18 | dwihno | Zagor: how come? |
| 14:21:12 | ashridah | Zagor: what'd you do, move to .au? :) |
| 14:21:21 | Zagor | i'm thinking about getting colocation for another project of mine. it uses around 60-80 GB/month today and I expect to double that. |
| 14:23:48 | dwihno | curl? |
| 14:23:53 | dwihno | or bostadsthingy? |
| 14:24:04 | Zagor | bostadsthingy :) |
| 14:24:34 | dwihno | you make any money on that? (if not, you should) |
| 14:24:41 | Zagor | i do |
| 14:24:58 | dwihno | Way! :) |
| 14:25:02 | dwihno | Capitalism works! |
| 14:25:14 | Zagor | :) |
| 14:36:34 | dwihno | Is it a dumb idea to merge two mbox files? |
| 14:36:52 | Zagor | no |
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| 14:54:57 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: It's not only the clock, it's also the data pins and the mysterious IRQ1 |
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| 15:10:25 | Odie_[away] | hi all |
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| 15:11:07 | Odie | Just wanted to remind you that the ebay auction for that broken ihp-120 is ending in an hour |
| 15:11:16 | midk | i was just looking at that :) |
| 15:11:17 | Odie | current high bid is $62.99 |
| 15:11:30 | Zagor | i know |
| 15:11:34 | Odie | Dunno if the high bidder is part of the rockbox team, or will be donating it |
| 15:11:36 | Odie | :) |
| 15:11:45 | Zagor | hope not :) |
| 15:12:18 | Odie | It's a shame that people trying to help out rockbox may have actually ended up bumping up the price :-p |
| 15:12:32 | Odie | Zagor: are you going to be trying to win it? |
| 15:12:36 | Zagor | Odie: yes |
| 15:12:47 | Odie | good luck :-) |
| 15:12:48 | Bagder | I doubt anyone would do a thing like that without telling |
| 15:12:59 | LinusN | don't be sure |
| 15:13:05 | Bagder | I'm never sure |
| 15:13:10 | LinusN | :-) |
| 15:30:57 | * | Bagder considers automake for Rockbox |
| 15:32:08 | Bagder | but perhaps not |
| 15:32:12 | elinenbe_work | Should I bid $300 on it? |
| 15:32:23 | elinenbe_work | no... I am just kidding. |
| 15:32:24 | Zagor | elinenbe_work: eh, that would not help no :) |
| 15:32:38 | elinenbe_work | has there been any more progress on the iriver ihp? |
| 15:33:20 | LinusN | elinenbe_work: not really |
| 15:34:07 | ashridah | where's this broken ihp? |
| 15:34:23 | ashridah | (not that i could even AFFORD to bid on it) |
| 15:35:36 | Zagor | ireland |
| 15:36:10 | elinenbe_work | Zagor: that's pretty close... not as bad as Korea or USA |
| 15:36:23 | Zagor | yup |
| 15:36:49 | ashridah | Zagor: meant WRT to a web address |
| 15:36:50 | ashridah | but anyway :) |
| 15:37:01 | ashridah | nevermind, found it |
| 15:37:03 | * | ashridah watches |
| 15:43:04 | ashridah | man. that would be handy. i hope you guys win it |
| 15:43:10 | ashridah | (for a reasonable price) |
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| 15:44:23 | * | ashridah almost, ALMOST, plugged his iriver into his nokia charger the other day o.o |
| 15:51:46 | pillo | less than 30' and the player already jumped to $72 :( |
| 15:52:57 | pillo | ashridah: do they have the same DC plug? |
| 15:54:55 | LinusN | gotta go, cu around |
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| 15:58:56 | ashridah | pillo: yep |
| 15:59:07 | ashridah | pillo: and nokia plug -> iriver player == burn |
| 15:59:14 | ashridah | bit sad it doesn't have decent protection |
| 15:59:58 | pillo | yeah really... I recently bought an iriver and have a nokia phone−−- must take lots of care |
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| 16:00:16 | ashridah | i keep the two chargers VERY far apart ;) |
| 16:00:16 | pillo | altough it's difficult to mistake the bulky iriver charger :) |
| 16:00:31 | pillo | i will have to ;) |
| 16:01:22 | ashridah | the wallwarts are behind objects here, all i have are the plugs hanging out |
| 16:03:03 | pillo | ow I see... and the nokia has some 72V charger that happily fries your precious iriver :/ |
| 16:03:33 | ashridah | uh. 72V? |
| 16:03:43 | pillo | just kidding |
| 16:04:01 | pillo | but anyways it's way too much... i believe 7 or even 12V |
| 16:04:08 | ashridah | the problem is that the iriver has a li-poly battery, while the nokias tend to have li-ion |
| 16:04:25 | ashridah | so the cutout circuitry... doesn't cut out. |
| 16:04:39 | pillo | ah, so the charging basically never stops? |
| 16:04:42 | ashridah | but you'd expect it to be slightly better designed than that :( |
| 16:04:47 | ashridah | pillo: no, it's insta-death |
| 16:04:49 | pillo | yeah inndeed |
| 16:04:52 | ashridah | but it's death by overcharge |
| 16:05:01 | ashridah | s/overcharge/overvoltage |
| 16:05:07 | pillo | ok thanks for explaining that |
| 16:05:18 | ashridah | and i don't believe it's fixable with just a battery replacement |
| 16:09:35 | pillo | > ten minutes and $80... |
| 16:09:50 | Zagor | relax :) |
| 16:11:09 | Odie | Zagor: do you think it's still a good price? |
| 16:11:15 | Zagor | yes |
| 16:11:33 | Odie | :-) |
| 16:15:04 | elinenbe_work | Zagor: was there any progress on the iriver over the weekend? |
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| 16:16:40 | Zagor | elinenbe_work: no |
| 16:16:42 | Odie | 2 mins and $92.16 |
| 16:16:45 | Odie | :-/ |
| 16:18:38 | Odie | Who's lbd2000 ? |
| 16:19:06 | Odie | ZAGOR!!!!! |
| 16:19:06 | Zagor | got it |
| 16:19:08 | Odie | :-p |
| 16:19:11 | Odie | Congrats |
| 16:19:13 | pillo | whoa cool move! |
| 16:19:18 | Odie | wow, it went pretty high |
| 16:19:26 | Zagor | yeah, but still half price of a new |
| 16:19:49 | elinenbe_work | that's good. hopefully it will help in your hacking endevors... |
| 16:19:54 | Zagor | yup |
| 16:20:01 | Odie | Zagor, you are the man :-) |
| 16:20:05 | Zagor | :) |
| 16:20:09 | Odie | When I can afford it, I will be donating |
| 16:20:12 | ashridah | whoa. 150 bucks? |
| 16:20:23 | ashridah | sniping sucks |
| 16:20:32 | Zagor | not when you win ;) |
| 16:20:46 | pillo | ^_^ |
| 16:20:56 | ashridah | okay, let me rephrase that. 'having to snipe sucks' |
| 16:21:42 | ashridah | now all you need is to set it up on a date with a flatbed scanner? :) |
| 16:22:58 | Odie | btw, Zagor |
| 16:23:12 | Odie | There was a member on MisticRiver looking to buy the ihp casing |
| 16:23:32 | Odie | If you don't need it, you might be able to make a bit of money back by selling it |
| 16:23:43 | Zagor | yes, but he had an 140 didn't he? it's thicker than this 120. |
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| 16:24:15 | Odie | ah |
| 16:24:24 | Odie | true...true |
| 16:24:41 | Odie | Oh well, maybe ebay or the MisticRiver bazaar might still be an option |
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| 16:41:58 | [IDC]Dragon | I missed the tense moments |
| 16:42:22 | Zagor | :) |
| 16:42:36 | [IDC]Dragon | what if the unit has just a minor problem, and you still have to sacrifice it? |
| 16:43:40 | Zagor | we'll most likely still sacrifice it. after all we were ready to buy a brand new one and wreck it |
| 16:43:42 | * | pillo sighs at the thought |
| 16:44:14 | Zagor | getting schematic makes life so much simpler, it's worth a little wasted money |
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| 16:49:22 | [IDC]Dragon | I hope the PCB is friendly in that way, bo buried vias or even resistors |
| 16:49:29 | [IDC]Dragon | s/bo/no |
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| 16:54:24 | amiconn | Little question concerning the player - is it normal that I have to hold the On button several seconds to switch on the unit? |
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| 17:00:37 | methangas | no, the player should switch on by a single short press |
| 17:01:22 | Zagor | the players (not recorders) require a long push |
| 17:01:32 | Zagor | several seconds |
| 17:01:39 | amiconn | Zagor: Ah ok, thanks |
| 17:02:24 | methangas | sorry about the misinformation, i assumed players and recorders worked the same way in that area of operation :/ |
| 17:02:48 | Zagor | no problem |
| 17:19:37 | Zagor | i'm off |
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| 17:20:09 | [IDC]Dragon | oh, just missed him for FAT16 questions |
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| 18:10:51 | [IDC]Dragon | hey, some progress with FAT16: I can list the root dir! |
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| 18:42:33 | elinenbe_work | [IDC]Dragon: nice work! |
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| 18:53:36 | _aLF | hi |
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| 19:54:35 | SmoothOperator | R.I.P. my archos |
| 19:55:54 | SmoothOperator | just deciding what to replace it with |
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| 20:01:30 | dwihno | replace it with a ... ? |
| 20:01:42 | dwihno | monkey wrench? :) |
| 20:04:14 | dwihno | http://www.creativemods.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1859 |
| 20:05:05 | SmoothOperator | i may get an iriver or an ipod |
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| 20:41:33 | srn | does anyone know how to make a cross-compiler for the MFC5249 cpu with the m68k-elf-tools? is the 5249 supported yet? |
| 20:43:54 | srn | PaulS gave me this link http://www.uclinux.org/pub/uClinux/m68k-elf-tools/ - but I don't know if the 5249 is supported. it doesn't say anywhere |
| 20:48:07 | _aLF | http://mailman.uclinux.org/pipermail/uclinux-dev/2004-July/027519.html <−− this message supposes that 5249 is supported |
| 20:48:43 | _aLF | (google "m68k-elf-tools 5249") |
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| 20:51:34 | srn | i did that of course :) And I did see that post... did not help much though. google ain't floated with instruction on how to compile a MFC5249 supported cross-compiler. maybe I am just blind :) |
| 20:53:07 | _aLF | Ok, sorry I can help more |
| 20:54:00 | srn | can I just write -m5249? instead of -m5200 - or is -m5200 also for 5249? |
| 20:54:33 | srn | this is from http://www.uclinux.org/pub/uClinux/uclinux-elf-tools/README-20030314 |
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| 21:18:51 | karacho | hi there |
| 21:19:15 | karacho | is anyone here? |
| 21:20:02 | methangas | yes, 22 people to be exact |
| 21:20:13 | methangas | :) |
| 21:20:25 | karacho | ;) |
| 21:20:32 | karacho | more or less |
| 21:21:13 | karacho | i've a an easy question (i guess): after flashing my rom, i can't update to the latest cvs version |
| 21:21:51 | karacho | it says "can't open ../rocks/.." when i'am playing the ucl file |
| 21:22:06 | karacho | can't find help in twiki for that |
| 21:24:14 | methangas | i have no clue about this, you made sure you got the right firmware and followed the instructions in where to place it etc etc? |
| 21:25:17 | karacho | yes, i've now 2.2 flashed in |
| 21:25:31 | karacho | its a recorder 20 |
| 21:29:50 | karacho | ah, now it works. I#ve "roloed" to the new version and flashed it from there |
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| 22:12:28 | DoctorObvious | Hello |
| 22:12:49 | DoctorObvious | Where should I send a non-functional iRiver iHP-140? |
| 22:13:53 | DoctorObvious | Rather, to whom on the Rockbox squad should I send it? |
| 22:15:43 | amiconn | DoctorObvious: I guess you could choose either Linus, Zagor or Bagder. Unfortunately none of them is here atm |
| 22:17:45 | DoctorObvious | All right; I'll shoot an e-mail off to them |
| 22:18:19 | DoctorObvious | amiconn: Do you know if they've gotten any yet? |
| 22:19:17 | amiconn | Iirc they got one from ebay today (iHP-120). |
| 22:19:37 | amiconn | See the irc logs |
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