#rockbox 2004-09-29

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#rockbox log for 2004-09-29

00:00:26	[IDC]Dragon	you mean, getting there?
00:00:43	[IDC]Dragon	or the transfer, compared to USB2?
00:01:42	amiconn	Getting there. The archos fw activates usb, deactivates the bridge, the activates again.
00:04:42		Quit Sebulba03 ("gaim")
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00:06:25	amiconn	Back to splash()ing...
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00:14:16	[IDC]Dragon	big fat commit done
00:14:28	[IDC]Dragon	now waiting for the colors...
00:14:44	amiconn	fat commit - lol. Didn't you do this already ;-)
00:15:05	[IDC]Dragon	now more that 16 ;)
00:15:51	amiconn	A propos more than 16 - MMC can't address more than 4 GB, since the address is a byte address, 32 bit unsigne
00:15:52	amiconn	d
00:16:45	[IDC]Dragon	maybe the'll come up with an extended command
00:17:36	amiconn	Bye bye simple command structure... The current commands all consist of 6 bytes: first is the command itself, 2..5 is parameter, 6th is crc
00:18:00	amiconn	Or they resort to bank switching - urgs
00:18:05	[IDC]Dragon	remember the BigLBA quirk
00:18:31	[IDC]Dragon	writing the sector twice
00:21:55	amiconn	Grr
00:22:49		Quit gromit`` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
00:28:37	[IDC]Dragon	hey, the build colors are unchanged
00:29:08	Bagder	magic!
00:29:10	Bagder	;-)
00:29:16	amiconn	Whoops, the table cell barely fits into my browser window!
00:29:43	amiconn	[IDC]Dragon: Do the builds still work?
00:29:58	[IDC]Dragon	let's hope the binaries are the same
00:30:13	amiconn	Did you check?
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00:30:20	[IDC]Dragon	nope
00:30:47	amiconn	W�h, my write_transfer() causes the hang :(
00:30:47	[IDC]Dragon	I should have kept a set, indeed
00:32:06	amiconn	Now I have to try some more magic from the disassembly
00:32:39	[IDC]Dragon	I'll do the sleep(6) thing
00:32:54	amiconn	Okay ;) Good night, then
00:33:05	[IDC]Dragon	thanks, cu
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00:58:52	SmoothOperator	hi
00:59:57	SmoothOperator	my archos is dead
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01:03:49	Sebulba03	That sucks.
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01:08:51	SmoothOperator	im tossing up between the gmini, ipod and iriver
01:14:33	webguest10	i got an iriver to replace my dead fmr, and am very pleased with it :)
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01:30:47	webguest26	hi all
01:31:41	bagawk	hello
01:32:21	webguest26	flashed rockbox today. way cool.
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01:36:05	bagawk	webguest26: sure is :)
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01:37:04	webguest26	are there any tools (plugins?) to allow easy switching between voice files?
01:38:20	bagawk	webguest26: just "play" the voice file
01:38:22	midk	put multiple ones in the folder, just rename which one you want to english.lang
01:39:35	webguest26	Ok. I knew that, but was looking for something I could select on the archos screen.
01:40:04	midk	nopr
01:40:07	midk	nope*
01:40:09	webguest26	bagawk: just read your comment
01:40:22	webguest26	will playing do the rename?
01:40:38	amiconn	webguest26: This was not considered necessary, but there is a workaround if you want multiple english languages
01:41:09	bagawk	humm play does not work
01:41:10	bagawk	sorry
01:41:16	bagawk	i do not use voice files...
01:41:24	webguest26	amiconn: what's the workaround?
01:42:07	webguest26	bagawk: no problem, I'm just playing around, I don't "need" this at all :)
01:42:33	amiconn	Put the various .voice files into .rockbox/langs. Name them e.g. english_crystal.voice and english_mike.voice. Take english.lang, and copy it there too, renaming it english_crystal.lang and english_mike.lang
01:43:10	amiconn	This way you can select the voice by selecting a new language (which is in fact the same language file, but with a different name)
01:43:29	bagawk	ahhh :)
01:43:42	webguest26	amicon: nice trick.
01:43:53	webguest26	almost exactly what I wanted.
01:44:05	bagawk	i think it is time to update my personel build again
01:44:27	amiconn	If I would use different voices for more than testing, I surely would implement some direct selection.
01:45:11	webguest26	I'm a little surprised there aren't (yet) novelty voice files, built from audio clips of old monty python, star trek, etc.
01:45:51	amiconn	webguest26: You could try to make one...
01:46:00	midk	quite a bit of work..
01:46:05	webguest26	maybe one day i will.
01:46:19	webguest26	how many words total?
01:47:01	bagawk	webguest26: a few hundred
01:47:28	bagawk	http://www.rockbox.org/apps/lang/english.lang
01:47:29	webguest26	hmm, definitely a "back burner" project :)
01:47:56	bagawk	you can make one for any of those, but you do not need to do them all
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01:48:59	amiconn	Dunno the exact word count, but there are 379 localized strings
01:49:02		Part scott666_
01:49:39	webguest26	thats a lot of audio editing time.
01:50:11	bagawk	webguest26: all those that have somethig becides "" in the voice: part you would want to do
01:50:34	amiconn	Building the current voice files (automated building with TTS software) takes ~80 secs per voice on my machine
01:51:46	amiconn	bagawk: Good point, not all localized strings are voiced.
01:51:58	bagawk	id: LANG_INSTALLATION_INCOMPLETE
01:52:02	bagawk	where is that one used?
01:52:22	webguest26	most of the time would probably be spent just finding the words to clip out.
01:52:27	amiconn	It's used when there is no .rockbox directory
01:53:16	amiconn	bagawk: It doesn't make sense to voice that one, since if the .rockbox dir is missing, chances are that there is no voice file either
01:54:04	webguest26	http://www.rockbox.org/lang/ has a link "voice page" which seems to point to an empty directory.
01:54:24	bagawk	webguest26: yes, part of the moving process...
01:54:48	webguest26	ok, just making sure you knew.
01:55:44	bagawk	webguest26: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceFiles
01:56:02	webguest26	I'm blown away by the new boot speed (vs archos)
01:56:03	bagawk	itmoved to wiki...
01:56:17	bagawk	webguest26: dumb archos firmware... lol
01:56:38	webguest26	also volume control without going into menus.
01:57:06	bagawk	webguest26: and the best part is playlists
01:57:22	webguest26	haven't made any yet.
01:57:29	bagawk	it would take archos firwware like 5 mins to load a playlist (and was limited to 999 tracks)
01:57:38	bagawk	rockbox loads it in about 2 seconds
01:57:56	bagawk	(3000 tracks or so)
01:58:02	webguest26	what'd they do wrong?
01:58:07	amiconn	..and handles much larger playlists
01:58:37	bagawk	webguest26: they would search to mkae sure the song is ther for each one, rockbox just does it when it is bufering the next song... saves lots of time
01:58:57	webguest26	apparrently.
01:59:48	webguest26	is there a way to get a total play time (sum of all track lengths)?
02:00
02:00:11	bagawk	webguest26: you would have to look at each file... that could take awhile to calculate
02:00:20	webguest26	maybe spoken in a james earl jones (darth vader) voice? :)
02:00:25	webguest26	at boot :)
02:00:34	bagawk	hehe
02:00:46	webguest26	"welcome to rockbox"
02:00:52	bagawk	darth vader would make a coll voice font
02:00:55	bagawk	*cool
02:01:09	webguest26	"you have two weeks of continuous play time"
02:01:14	webguest26	:)
02:01:49	webguest26	how much IS possible?
02:02:13	webguest26	say 80 gb
02:02:22	webguest26	about a meg/minute, right?
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02:02:51	bagawk	somethig like that
02:03:01	bagawk	(a gb is 1024mbytes)
02:03:06	amiconn	I usually calculate with 1.5 MB / min
02:03:24	amiconn	(192 kbps)
02:03:26	bagawk	depends on your quality
02:03:33	bagawk	i use 192kbit most of the time
02:03:39	bagawk	or 160 for comedy
02:03:41	webguest26	google says 80,000 minutes is 1333 hours :)
02:04:09	amiconn	I use VBR most of the time, averaging around 200 kbps depending on the music (lame −−preset standard)
02:04:15	bagawk	webguest26: take a few gb off that for formating...
02:04:32	webguest26	still amazing.
02:04:52	bagawk	amiconn: nice do you use cdex or EAC or something else with LAME?
02:05:01	amiconn	EAC
02:05:13	bagawk	:)
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02:05:16	webguest26	imagine predicting in 1950 that everybody would own a wurlitzer jukebox, but it'd fit in a pocket. :)
02:05:39	amiconn	webguest26: I have an 80 GB disk in my jukebox...
02:06:00	webguest26	amiconn: is it anywhere near full?
02:06:17	amiconn	Nope. But the 20 GB was, so it had to be replaced
02:06:45	webguest26	is that fairly straightforward?
02:06:48	bagawk	my 15 gb is full :(
02:07:44	amiconn	webguest26: Depends on the device. Iirc recorder v1 (what I happen to have) is the easiest, since swapping the HD doesn't require soldering
02:08:26	webguest26	I can solder, although i stopped doing it for a living before smt
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02:08:58	webguest26	40 pin DIP is my limit :)
02:09:21	webguest26	what needs soldering on other models?
02:09:49	amiconn	Iirc, swapping the hd on player and recorder v2/fm does require soldering of some metal shielding. No SMD soldering :)
02:10:15	webguest26	I happen to have recorder 10, but i was curious.
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02:11:00	webguest26	shielding sounds pretty easy, just might need some more wattage than my small iron.
02:11:32	webguest26	can rockbox clip out silence while recording?
02:11:50	webguest26	like for a police/fire scanner?
02:12:02	midk	triggered recording, kurzhaarocker was working on this
02:12:04	midk	(i believe)
02:12:13	midk	it's mostly done iirc
02:12:29	webguest26	be nice to condense just the active stuff
02:12:41	webguest26	instead of hours of listening.
02:13:26	webguest26	I've read that recording with the mike isn't that good.
02:13:36	webguest26	hard drive noise, mostly
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02:13:58	webguest26	I guess there's not much to do about that.
02:15:22	webguest26	another odd question: can the backlight brightness be controlled?
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02:16:30	amiconn	No, the hardware doesn't allow this. It can be done in software (I once tried it and it worked), but only if rockbox does nothing in parallel. Not very useful...
02:16:47	webguest26	Is there enough cpu to do pwm?
02:16:59	webguest26	oh. i see :(
02:17:33	amiconn	Yes you can do pwm (I did it that way), but the threading and i2c access gets in the way.
02:18:11	webguest26	might be a cool effect for the splash screen.
02:18:22	amiconn	Pwm itself is actually rather easy, since the SH1 provides timers with two match register interrupts
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02:18:49	webguest26	I was hoping for a dim backlight for while driving at night.
02:19:17	amiconn	Imho the backlight is rather dim anyway... I replaced mine with white leds
02:19:46	webguest26	did you need to make other changes?
02:20:04	webguest26	don't whites need a fairly hight voltage, vs green?
02:20:21	webguest26	is the supply constant current?
02:20:33	webguest26	or just a series resistance?
02:21:05	amiconn	Yes. There are 4 leds, the original ones being wired in 2 pairs in series. I put the leds of each pair in parallel instead.
02:21:40	amiconn	(Cut a trace and then wired with very thin coil wire - 0.05 mm diameter)
02:21:51	webguest26	I assume that this DID involve smt soldering :)
02:22:41	amiconn	Yup. The white leds I used are 0805 size, and the original ones something similar
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02:23:18	webguest26	i bet now you could use a lens and project with that thing :)
02:23:36	webguest26	onto a wall, or the ceiling.
02:24:02	amiconn	It's not _that_ bright now, but much nicer anyway for using grayscale
02:24:10	webguest26	I've done that with a little LCD tv.
02:24:38	webguest26	Where is greyscale used?
02:25:02	midk	grayscale.rock, video.rock, and mandelbrot.rock
02:25:10	amiconn	webguest26: amiconn.dyndns.org/WhiteBacklight2.jpg">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/WhiteBacklight2.jpg
02:25:20	bagawk	ang jpeg.rock
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02:26:42	webguest26	amiconn: looks really nice.
02:26:44	bagawk	amiconn: we could use a center option in the WPS :)
02:27:03	amiconn	bagawk: Then write one ;)
02:27:35	bagawk	maybe i could...
02:27:38	webguest26	I'd like to repackage the archos into a din mount car stereo shell.
02:27:47	webguest26	I wish I had more free time.
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02:28:50	*	bagawk adds to todo
02:29:14	amiconn	webguest26: Same here :-/
02:29:42	webguest26	oh, well. it's 8:30 here, i gotta get some food.
02:30:00	webguest26	thanks for all the hard work, guys.
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02:30:52	bagawk	i don't work had
02:30:54	bagawk	*hard
02:31:51	bagawk	i like the ipod touch wheel
02:35:37	amiconn	We have MMC writing, and the driver doesn't lock up any more :)
02:37:01	bagawk	ok
02:37:50	bagawk	time to go
02:38:55	bagawk	amiconn: Tschuess
02:39:00	bagawk	(if htat is correct)
02:39:17	amiconn	almost :) Tsch�ss
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06:10:56	Phoenix__	guess not :(
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08:14:26	[IDC]Dragon	hey logbot, welcome back
08:17:23	Bagder_	the OpenNeo guys are rewriting almost everything...
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08:17:34	dwihno	I wonder why
08:17:42	Bagder_	yeah
08:17:59	Bagder_	they have 256K ram and they "waste" 60 of them in a "heap"
08:18:06	LinusN	wonderful, powercut in Akalla again!
08:18:20	Bagder_	I suspected that might be the case
08:18:26	Bagder_	high tech
08:18:34	[IDC]Dragon	Bagder: but they don't need a play buffer
08:18:49	LinusN	open neo?
08:18:52	Bagder_	yes
08:18:59	Bagder_	they need one, but not as big as we do
08:19:24	[IDC]Dragon	yes, only to cover disk latency
08:19:25	Bagder_	still, they basically just don't agree with most of our decisions I guess
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08:20:35	[IDC]Dragon	morning Zagor
08:21:13	Zagor	hi. nice big commit :)
08:22:39	[IDC]Dragon	hope I didn't break anything
08:22:50	[IDC]Dragon	so far it's cosmetic
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08:32:34	kurzhaarrocker	Moin
08:32:34	kurzhaarrocker	LinusN: concerning those recording buffer changes: have you commited them? I didn't see them in the cvs activity list.
08:33:17	kurzhaarrocker	I only ask because I will record > 4h next saturday and I had stuttering recordings the last time.
08:33:30	LinusN	i'll fix it asap
08:34:35	kurzhaarrocker	doublePower = LinusN.clone();
08:34:40	kurzhaarrocker	:)
08:35:59	LinusN	hmmm, the recording low water limit is 512K, that should really be enough
08:36:22	Zagor	indeed
08:36:50	LinusN	i don't see a point in increasing it even more
08:36:55	kurzhaarrocker	ok
08:37:23	LinusN	i guess the stuttering comes from something else
08:37:37	LinusN	maybe the same bug that Paul suffers from
08:38:02	LinusN	amiconn: u there?
08:38:11	kurzhaarrocker	The "frequency" of the the stutter was a bit big, too something like 0.5 Hz.
08:38:45	LinusN	stutter, as in short, silent breaks?
08:38:50	kurzhaarrocker	yes
08:39:05	kurzhaarrocker	And - what is interesting - it recovered after ~ half an hour
08:39:16	LinusN	wow
08:39:39	LinusN	and the incoming signal was the same all the time?
08:39:54	kurzhaarrocker	It was a nonstop recording for about 4 hours.
08:40:27	kurzhaarrocker	2 hours no problems, then half an hour stuttering then it continued without rockbox related problems
08:41:35	kurzhaarrocker	(some of the music acutally was _improved_ by the stuttering :))
08:42:17	LinusN	sampling frequency?
08:42:27	kurzhaarrocker	as usual 44.1kHz
08:42:34	LinusN	ok
08:43:21	LinusN	amiconn found that the MS stereo setting often messed up the recording
08:43:27	kurzhaarrocker	quality 7, bit reservoir turned off.
08:43:37	kurzhaarrocker	simple stereo
08:45:21	LinusN	which is ms stereo, since that is hard coded in the mpeg code
08:45:52	kurzhaarrocker	?? MS Stereo as in Mid Side stereo?
08:45:58	LinusN	yes
08:46:17	kurzhaarrocker	lol
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08:46:52	kurzhaarrocker	Is ms stereo the principle that is hidden behind the phrase "joint stereo"?
08:46:58	*	kurzhaarrocker doubts that
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08:47:08	amiconn	LinusN: I found that too, and even reported it here once.
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08:48:02	LinusN	amiconn: that's what i wrote:
08:48:05	LinusN	"amiconn found that the MS stereo setting often messed up the recording"
08:48:38	amiconn	Ah oops; from a quick glance I though there was a colon after my nick
08:48:47	*	kurzhaarrocker attaches a "Elephant Memory Award" to LinusN
08:49:39	LinusN	kurzhaarrocker: joint stereo has two modes, MS stereo and IS stereo
08:50:19	amiconn	Rather, "joint stereo" is the general mode, which provides 3 different "mode extensions"
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08:51:00	kurzhaarrocker	interesting. I should learn more about mp3 one day :)
08:51:41	amiconn	(1) Encode L and R channel separately, like normal stereo mode (2) MS stereo, which encodes the sum and difference of the channels. This often saves bits, since the channels are often similar with typical music.
08:53:38	amiconn	(3) Intensity stereo, which encodes the average signal and adds an information how the signal is distributed between left and right channel.
08:54:27	*	kurzhaarrocker wonders how (2) could be utilized when the recording is done _with_ a ms configured microphone pair.
08:55:51	amiconn	Unfortunately the MAS is rather primitive at encoding. It always encodes with joint stereo, and lets you select whether to use MS stereo or not. However, it does not decide on a per-frame basis (like most other encoders) whether MS stereo or normal stereo is better.
08:56:35	amiconn	So if MS stereo is on, all frames are encoded that way. Furthermore, it seems to deliver considerably more corrupt frames in that case.
08:56:51	amiconn	There must be a reason why archos doesn't use MS stereo...
08:57:06	LinusN	some interesting reading on the subject: http://harmsy.freeuk.com/mostync/
08:58:52	amiconn	Now the question arises: Why does rockbox 2.2 not produce so many corrupt frames, in spite of MS stereo being active?
08:59:28	kurzhaarrocker	well the mas becomes old, too ;)
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09:00:17	LinusN	amiconn: has Paul tried a version with the C recording loop?
09:01:39	amiconn	I suspect that this is because frame CRC is (unintentionally) deactivated in rockbox 2.2, while in the daily builds it is activated. So the mas now has to do both: MS stereo and CRC protection. This might be too much work for the little mas...
09:02:15	amiconn	LinusN: Not that I know of. He wanted to try analog recording, but did not report about that
09:02:42	kurzhaarrocker	My recording was analog
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09:17:02	LinusN	found a pretty nasty bug concerning i2c and recording
09:17:35	LinusN	the recording can mess up the i2c clock
09:17:42	kurzhaarrocker	Has that been there for ever?
09:17:52	LinusN	will check
09:18:13	amiconn	LinusN: I now even have another C recording loop without the 30 byte limit. I get the same corrupt frame figures like with the asm version (independent of MS stereo setting)
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09:19:30	LinusN	the i2c clock bug has been there forever
09:20:10	amiconn	LinusN: Interesting finding! How does that bug happen?
09:21:21	amiconn	[IDC]Dragon: (rockbox on Ondio FM working with mas inits) (1) So I have to adapt the MAS driver to the 3539 next (2) Are you able to play music?
09:28:54	[IDC]Dragon	(2) no
09:29:05	[IDC]Dragon	it behaves strange
09:29:22	[IDC]Dragon	says .rockbox missing, but I copied it there
09:29:42	[IDC]Dragon	the firmware dump also was a NOP for me
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09:30:01	amiconn	Hmm. Maybe writing does not work.
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09:30:43	[IDC]Dragon	cu later, gotta run
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09:41:28	LinusN	amiconn: ah, the bug wasn't serious at all :-(
09:42:06	LinusN	the recording interrupt affected the clock timing on i2c when the i2c driver was waiting for the MAS flow control on the clock line
09:42:57	LinusN	it first looked like it could generate an extra clock, but it turned out that it only changed the timing a few nanosecs
09:47:06	amiconn	Ah ok.
09:48:35	amiconn	LinusN: Hooked up the logic analyzer?
09:54:54	LinusN	nipe
09:54:56	LinusN	nope
09:54:59	LinusN	just reading code
09:55:33	amiconn	If you hook up the LA, you could try my alternative C transfer routine...
09:56:46	LinusN	is there anything special you want to see?
09:57:32	LinusN	i would appreciate if you set up a wiki page with your findings about the recording bug investigation
09:57:53	LinusN	so we can have a nice record of what we have tested and what we found
09:58:16	amiconn	It's not strictly necessary, since it seems to work. It should (sometimes, if the mas is fast enough) read several 30 byte blocks in sequence
10:00
10:00:30	amiconn	Then it may be that it late-catches an interrupt an tries to read by setting RTW high. It should time-out if the mas is not ready
10:02:48	amiconn	s/RTW/PR/
10:03:28	LinusN	my plan is to find out exactly which code change that broke the recording
10:03:38	amiconn	LinusN: (wiki page) I'll put this on my to-do list
10:04:00	LinusN	1) is s/pdif recording worse that analog?
10:04:25	LinusN	2) did the asm routines change anything?
10:04:40	LinusN	3) do you see the same bug as Paul does?
10:04:45	amiconn	1) No, as long as there is no spdif signal drop or parity error
10:04:49	amiconn	2) No
10:05:25	LinusN	clarification to 3): do you see any difference between 2.2 and the current builds?
10:06:23	amiconn	3) Did not try 2.2 at all. Perhaps I should do so, but it's difficult to compare (frames are not CRC protected)
10:06:31	LinusN	ah
10:07:08	LinusN	in fact, that might be the main difference
10:07:45	LinusN	non-protected frames will just sound worse
10:08:23	LinusN	but crc-protected ones will render silent glitches, and audio editors/checkers will protest
10:08:42	LinusN	so there is a possibility that the bug has been there all along
10:08:54	amiconn	(spdif parity) I have hack in recording.c that displays if such an error occurs. Perhaps I should implement a SPDIF parity error count display the right way, and commit that. There is plenty of room to display that, since with spdif there is no gain control
10:09:25	LinusN	send me a patch
10:09:46	LinusN	with the unfinished s/pdif hack check
10:10:15	amiconn	As I said, it's hacky atm, using mas_readreg() from recording.c, and no counter yet
10:10:26	LinusN	i'd like to have it anyway
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10:10:56	LinusN	btw, some people have problems with s/pdif out with rockbox, but not with the original f/w
10:11:33	LinusN	i'm suspecting that it has something to do with the oscillator frequency setting in the mas
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10:12:56	LinusN	maybe there are different oscillators on different h/w versions...
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10:14:52	amiconn	LinusN: amiconn.dyndns.org/spdif_parity.diff">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/spdif_parity.diff
10:19:38	LinusN	amiconn: do you have a nice url that describes the bits in that register?
10:22:10	amiconn	Unfortunately not. I do know the meaning of bit 12 only, from the MAS datasheet supplement mas3587f_1ais.pdf
10:24:52	amiconn	This one even contradicts the main datasheet, which says it's register 0x56. It definitely is register 0x52
10:25:49	LinusN	wonderful
10:30:18	LinusN	hmmm, the only corresponding information i could find is the Validity bit in the 32-bit subframes
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10:35:16	amiconn	LinusN: Of course "CRC error" is wrong too, it means "Parity error"
10:37:15	LinusN	if you take the top 16 bits of the subframe, the Validity bit is bit 12
10:37:43	LinusN	and the parity bit is bit 15
10:38:47	LinusN	bit 14: Channel status information (whatever that is)
10:39:01	LinusN	bit 13: subcode data (whatever that is)
10:45:43	amiconn	I was able to deliberately produce parity errors, by attenuating the signal from my diy spdif converter with a potentiometer. The detection works, and if you listen to the monitored signal, it gets distorted. If you lower the signal a little bit more, the stream drops completely
10:54:04	LinusN	ok
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12:45:19	quelsaruk	hej LinusN :)
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12:47:30	ripnet	hi
12:49:51	ripnet	im trying to keep up with the iriver dev (just for fun) - i dont suppose anyone has a disassembled original firmware they could send me? the wiki doesnt quite go into enough detail for me to get there myself - ive decrypted the firmware, and compiled the coldfire emu and got it dissembling, but i havent got my head around all the segment stuff (re-arranging the firmware using dd).
12:50:17	ripnet	i do seem to be getting valid assembly out of it, but it would make more sense in the right locations
12:50:58	LinusN	paul is the guy to talk to
12:51:07	LinusN	i haven't disassembled it myself
12:52:03	LinusN	i'm too impatient to disassemble other's code :-)
12:52:44	LinusN	i'm working to get the &&"%(" wiggler to work
12:53:13	dwihno	LinusN: still no wigglin'.. :(
12:53:54	LinusN	nope, the parallel port driver is still not working correctly
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13:14:07	ripnet	has anyone asked iRiver if they would be willing to put a hook in to boot custom code? you never know :)
13:14:40	Zagor	haha. afaik nobody who has mailed iriver has even got a reply.
13:15:27	ripnet	bit like Archos then
13:16:53	ashridah	i got a reply. it wasn't a HELPFUL reply, but it was a reply.
13:17:08	ashridah	(turned out my unit was defective and had issues with thermal expansion)
13:18:40	quelsaruk	rebooting
13:18:43	quelsaruk	and hi zagor
13:18:44	quelsaruk	:)
13:18:49	quelsaruk	nice to see you again
13:18:50	quelsaruk	:P
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13:53:09	elinenbe_	Badger: where did you find that information about the OpenNeo stuff?
13:53:30	Bagder	I read their commit mails
13:53:51	Bagder	slightly boring nowadays, but they still arrive here ;-)
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14:00:35	[IDC]Dragon	any interesing feature?
14:00:52	Bagder	they have customizable keys
14:01:10	Bagder	and they've broken lots of nice rockbox features ;-)
14:01:41	Bagder	for example the dumped our playlist concept
14:01:43	Bagder	they
14:03:31	[IDC]Dragon	I've learned the tory behind the project
14:03:42	[IDC]Dragon	story
14:04:23	[IDC]Dragon	SSI licencensed only object code from Archos
14:04:44	[IDC]Dragon	so they can't change the product
14:05:21	[IDC]Dragon	and needed the "Open"Neo project
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18:11:16	kaouete	hi
18:11:36	kaouete	if i use battery at 2400 mAh, there will be no problem ?
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19:27:02	NibbIer	;-)
19:27:14	NibbIer	returned my 1.5year old recorder15
19:27:27	NibbIer	as its disk was broken, and got full price back....
19:27:32	NibbIer	enough for a 20 by now :-)
19:41:44	Bagder	kaouete: correct
19:52:28	amiconn	Bagder: Iirc it was you who rewrote the makefiles to produce less and reader-friendly output?
19:52:35	Bagder	yeps
19:53:18	Bagder	any probs?
19:53:36	amiconn	There is one big ugly output from make remaining: At the very end, where the various intermediate files are deleted, the rm ... line is output verbatim.
19:53:47	Bagder	yes I know
19:53:59	amiconn	Could this be changed too?
19:54:14	Bagder	I didn't understand it, so I left it like that
19:54:20	Bagder	but I'm sure it can be fixed
19:55:36	amiconn	Btw: expect a huge commit from me soon... I'm currently changing all MAS code to accomodate the MAS3539F (Ondio SP).
19:55:59	Bagder	cool
19:56:08	Bagder	so you have sound and everything on the SP now?
19:57:15	amiconn	I'm currently doing that, since I'm itching to get the first sound out of it. There is another user (with an Ondio FMR, MAS3587F) who reported that sound already works for him (sort of)
19:57:40	Bagder	aha, nice
19:58:02	Bagder	so there are other users! ;-)
19:58:07	amiconn	The adaption to MAS3539F is almost completely done via #defines, so not complicated stuff, but a lot of places to change
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20:01:06	amiconn	Yes, there are other users :) He even reported a problem with the archos fw! He has a 1 GB MMC, from which the original firmware doesn't want to play music.
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20:24:14	kaouete	Bagder: ok thx :)
20:25:22	amiconn	[IDC]Dragon: You did a nice preparation for my work with your mega-commit yesterday :)
20:27:41	[IDC]Dragon	yes, that was intended
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20:39:13	amiconn	Is it possible to use one #defined symbol to replace 2 function parameters?
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20:40:26	[IDC]Dragon	I was thinking about that, too
20:41:15	amiconn	This would simplify the mas code some more: There are configuration cells which are in bank D0 for 3587 and 3539, but in bank D1 for 3507
20:41:17	[IDC]Dragon	for your #if CONFIG_HWCODEC == MASxx \|\| CONFIG_HWCODEC == MASyy
20:41:39	amiconn	No, I mean a different thing:
20:41:52	Zagor	amiconn: I don't agree that it would simplify. it would just remove an #ifdef, but instead make the code harder to read.
20:42:40	amiconn	mas_writemem(MAS_BANK_D0, MAS_D0_SOFTMUTE, &value, 1) ==> mas_writemem(MAS_MEM_SOFT_MUTE, &value, 1)
20:42:51	amiconn	Imho this is easier to read...
20:43:10	Zagor	yes, but you have to look up the define to understand the code
20:43:19	amiconn	That's correct
20:43:28	[IDC]Dragon	I did a trick like that with my string+voice ID macro
20:43:43	amiconn	Ah
20:43:47	[IDC]Dragon	not very nice, but saved a ton of changes
20:44:23	[IDC]Dragon	because it was just one parameter before
20:44:53	[IDC]Dragon	so I could leave that
20:45:15	Zagor	there are always exceptions but as a general rule, I don't like moving information away from the code. the reader should not be required to jump up and down in the file, or between files, to see what the line of code does.
20:46:43	amiconn	That's again true. However, for the mas memory access, I think it's not harder to understand if the 2 parameters are combined. In fact they represent one destination address, if you see the bank index as an offset.
20:47:59	amiconn	When the values are hard-coded instead, the code itself is possibly a bit easier to read, but you have to look up in the datasheet what each address means.
20:49:38	Zagor	with the define it also becomes much less visible that the mas chips differ in this feature
20:50:21	Zagor	but I'm ok with it anyway. it's small enough.
20:52:36	amiconn	So I won't unify this for now (2 parameters in one define), but stay with single parameter defines
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21:14:39	amiconn	[IDC]Dragon: Ondio SP firmware just got 7 KB smaller...
21:19:54	[IDC]Dragon	we don't need to save, ROMbox makes no sense there
21:20:14	[IDC]Dragon	because play buffer size is not critical
21:20:55	amiconn	It is! With a larger mp3 buffer you could load larger jpegs...
21:20:57	NibbIer	what would be best harddisk-mp3 player to buy in your opinion?
21:22:50	[IDC]Dragon	the OndioFM Rockbox will probably be the largest of all
21:23:10	[IDC]Dragon	wit FAT16 support, perhaps 2 tuners
21:23:49	amiconn	Hmm. But then the mmc driver might be smaller than the ata driver...
21:24:21	[IDC]Dragon	I'll remind you ;-)
21:27:33	amiconn	Seems that I didn't break something with my changes, at least for rec v1/ player
21:28:08	[IDC]Dragon	uh, scary big commit coming along...
21:28:12	amiconn	The Ondio SP build should be green after commit, and the inits do not hang anymore
21:28:32	amiconn	It even tries to play, but no sound so far :-/
21:28:46	[IDC]Dragon	how did you weed out all the recording stuff?
21:29:11	[IDC]Dragon	I reconed this would be real tricky
21:29:33	[IDC]Dragon	because of false dependencies
21:30:31	amiconn	By leaving the #if CONFIG_HWCODEC = MAS3587F in some places instead of replacing it with #if (CONFIG_HWCODEC = MAS3587F) \|\| (CONFIG_HWCODEC = MAS3539F), surrounding the whole recording.c with #ifdef HAVE_RECORDING, and some trial and error.
21:31:33	[IDC]Dragon	== I hope ;-)
21:32:40	amiconn	For most conditionals it was quite obvious whether they are required for the 3539F or not. There were only some very long ones which had to be split in two
21:33:12	[IDC]Dragon	so you can't compare the binaries, before and after?
21:33:59	amiconn	I could do so for all builds except Ondio SP. Unfortunately I did not keep the old binaries...
21:34:42	amiconn	How did you solve the menu calling problem?
21:35:06	[IDC]Dragon	I just called the menu once after all inits
21:35:19	[IDC]Dragon	(a hack)
21:35:30	amiconn	So if you leave the menu, there is no way back?
21:35:41	[IDC]Dragon	yes
21:35:49	[IDC]Dragon	hack, like I said
21:35:50	amiconn	My writing doesn't work yet
21:36:07	[IDC]Dragon	what's wrong with it?
21:37:07	amiconn	Didn't check yet, first I wanted to do that mas adjustments, because (1) it's a lot easier although more changes (2) Ondio hacking is more fun once there is sound...
21:37:41	[IDC]Dragon	sure
21:38:28	amiconn	Btw: That's why it tells you that .rockbox is missing when you try to play a track - it can't create the .playlist_control file
21:43:46	[IDC]Dragon	bad behaviour
21:45:10	[IDC]Dragon	since Zagor is around, you could discuss the menu button issue
21:46:39	[IDC]Dragon	Zagor: see yesterdays' log, from 22:11 on
21:48:13	Zagor	checking
21:51:10	Zagor	ah, yes. that's my punsihment for not doing away with the handle_shift function :)
21:51:36	Zagor	i guess ondio does not really need a shift though
21:52:11	[IDC]Dragon	to scroll throgh the hundreds of albums...
21:52:16	Zagor	exactly :)
21:52:18	amiconn	Commit done...
21:52:40	[IDC]Dragon	you just missed the build time slot
21:53:11	[IDC]Dragon	my uart boot LCD strip work, after correcting it once
21:53:26	[IDC]Dragon	...works...
21:54:06	midk	hundreds of albums would be cumbersome on a hard drive player, but consider that this is a flash player
21:54:23	midk	you might fit 200 songs at the most if you've got a huge sd card..
21:54:29	midk	well, not sure about that
21:54:38	amiconn	[IDC]Dragon: Nice. When we can expect rockbox in flash? ;)
21:55:02	amiconn	midk: There are MMCs up to 1 GB...
21:56:06	midk	correct, not near 20/10/6gb. assuming someone did have the largest card available in their ondio running rockbox, how many songs would fit?
21:56:12	midk	generally 5000/20
21:56:20	[IDC]Dragon	amiconn: dumping the flash now...
21:56:53	amiconn	[IDC]Dragon: I guess this would be easier with a properly writing MMC driver...
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21:57:50	[IDC]Dragon	I tried this morning... :-/
21:59:19	[IDC]Dragon	this is really slow with 14400 baud
21:59:39	amiconn	The mmc driver is sloooow for reading, estimated 70 KByte/s :(
21:59:44	[IDC]Dragon	uart_boot-wise, the Ondio is a player, with its 12 MHz
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22:00:26	amiconn	I wonder why with 12 MHz only 14400 baud are possible, while with 11.05 MHz you can use 115200 baud...
22:01:18	[IDC]Dragon	because of the divider mismatch
22:01:18	midk	is it that slow with the archos fw?
22:02:44	amiconn	midk: No
22:02:58	midk	so.. inoptimized drivers or something?
22:03:38	amiconn	[IDC]Dragon: Did you try playing music? I'm asking again because our special user tried it, and already got some audible snippets...
22:03:44	[IDC]Dragon	hey, we're glad about any working driver at all here
22:04:00	[IDC]Dragon	I didn't try very hard
22:04:13	midk	[IDC]Dragon, of course, i'd definitely classify amiconn and your work as excellent, just speculating why it may be so slow
22:04:17	amiconn	Loading the song takes almost half a minute.
22:04:20	[IDC]Dragon	right now is a bad time to test
22:04:42	[IDC]Dragon	with no LCD
22:05:21	amiconn	Of course. But perhaps you could use the voice UI? ;)
22:09:15	[IDC]Dragon	speaking about that: we perhaps have to do that different on the Ondio, don't load the full voice file, but only the table and the clip on demand
22:10:03	[IDC]Dragon	else it's no fun to have the 1.5 MB load every time you switch from playback to menu
22:10:27	[IDC]Dragon	but we have no spinup
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22:20:23	[IDC]Dragon	got the firmware, extracted, descrambled, ucl compressed
22:21:20	amiconn	In order to speed up the reading, I'll try to use the multi-block reading command. However, this is not trivial, since there is no (mandatory) command to set in advance how many blocks to read. Instead, after starting the multi-block read, the card continuously sends blocks until you send a stop command. This requires sending a command while receiving data. Very tricky.
22:21:56	amiconn	For writing, this is much easier once the writing itself works.
22:21:58	Zagor	yikes
22:22:06	Zagor	odd protocol
22:22:14	[IDC]Dragon	are you sure you want do do that now?
22:23:00	amiconn	Not immediately, but if we don't want to wait ~30 secs every time for track loading, it probably has to be done.
22:23:20	amiconn	I guess DMA mode will have an effect too
22:23:57	[IDC]Dragon	isn't the track loaded in small parts first?
22:24:08	[IDC]Dragon	to reduce latency
22:24:34	amiconn	I don't think so, but I may be wrong
22:24:46	amiconn	Anyway, I'm rather tired today
22:25:25	Zagor	we do load in parts, to start playing faster
22:25:27	[IDC]Dragon	I think it is
22:26:00	amiconn	Zagor: How large is such a block?
22:26:29	Zagor	i don't remember
22:26:35	[IDC]Dragon	16 KB, iirc
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22:45:45	[IDC]Dragon	bootloader adjusted to Ondio
22:46:24	amiconn	Confirmed working ?! That was quick...
22:46:38	[IDC]Dragon	not confirmed yet
22:46:43	amiconn	Ah
22:49:17	[IDC]Dragon	composing an image now
22:53:13	amiconn	I'm trying to understand why the mas doesn't want to work. Are you sure i2c works correct?
22:53:43	[IDC]Dragon	no, I'm not
22:54:11	[IDC]Dragon	the debug menu didn't look very well on the mas
22:58:33	midk	rb->rand() is a rockbox function, right?
22:59:01	[IDC]Dragon	yes, like all rb->'s
22:59:22	midk	anyone want to tell me where it's located?
22:59:28	midk	in the code, that is
22:59:38	[IDC]Dragon	image composed. should I flash it?
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23:00:50	midk	if you can recover from it, sure
23:00:51	midk	:)
23:01:50	midk	dah, i don't have a clue where it is
23:02:09	amiconn	midk: What are you trying to do?
23:02:33	midk	steal the rand function :)
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23:03:02	amiconn	midk: /firmware/common/random.c
23:03:29	midk	aha, thanks
23:06:48	[IDC]Dragon	the OndioFM has even 8KB less space for ROMbox than the FM
23:07:31	bagawk	wow
23:07:43	amiconn	Ooops! Why is that?
23:07:56	bagawk	because archos is dumb
23:08:08	bagawk	they made the same firmware for v2 recorder, and the ondio
23:08:30	[IDC]Dragon	no
23:08:34	bagawk	but then...
23:09:33	[IDC]Dragon	the OndioFM firmware is the largest which Archos made across the models
23:09:55	[IDC]Dragon	dunno about the OndioSP, until amiconn can dump his
23:10:57	amiconn	Yes, I need working writing, tell it again ;-/
23:11:57	[IDC]Dragon	flashing...
23:12:20	[IDC]Dragon	(sorry for the mild pun)
23:14:39	[IDC]Dragon	reading back...
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23:17:05	amiconn	[IDC]Dragon: Could you check whether there is something wrong with fat16? It seems that it can't "see" files which have a shortname entry only. It works for dirs though
23:18:10	[IDC]Dragon	uh, sounds no good
23:18:32	[IDC]Dragon	verified OK...
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23:22:07	amiconn	[IDC]Dragon: It seems I am silly. The fat driver works ok...
23:23:44	amiconn	I wonder why "Browse fonts" and "Language" don't work. "Browse .wps files" does work...
23:23:46	[IDC]Dragon	phew
23:24:10	[IDC]Dragon	flashed Ondio works!
23:24:52	amiconn	Great! So as soon as we get Ondio rockbox out of alpha stage, we will have flash support right away...
23:25:15	[IDC]Dragon	the plugins need to get some adjustments
23:25:51	[IDC]Dragon	amiconn: Rockbox doesn't run cold-started on the Ondio
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23:26:20	amiconn	[IDC]Dragon: Most likely we will have to double check all port inits
23:26:28	[IDC]Dragon	it says No partition table
23:26:45	[IDC]Dragon	so it's something with the MMC part
23:26:57	amiconn	It is most likely the card init.
23:27:14		Part Jois
23:27:19	[IDC]Dragon	seems to rely on something, yes
23:27:26	amiconn	This is not done within ata_init(), because I want to support card swapping and 2 cards later
23:27:44	amiconn	Instead, the init is done on the first access
23:28:26	amiconn	Does rockbox at least display something when cold started?
23:29:00	[IDC]Dragon	it says "No partition table"
23:29:33	[IDC]Dragon	(a flashed flash player, how bizarre)
23:30:14	amiconn	Ah ok. So I'd try to put a splash right before the disk init displaying all P(A\|B)(IO\|D)R values
23:30:59	amiconn	Of course we'd also need the IPR[A..E] values etc.
23:31:10	[IDC]Dragon	the Archos firmware works, when I hold "Left", which is the bootloaders' F1 here
23:31:39	[IDC]Dragon	I made it Left, Up, Right for F1, F2, F3
23:31:41	amiconn	Then we could compare this with the values displayed when rockbox is started from disk
23:32:08	amiconn	I know F1-boot. What is F2/F3 ?
23:32:23	[IDC]Dragon	F2 is second image (default)
23:32:40	[IDC]Dragon	F3 is MiniMon, my serial monitor
23:32:58	amiconn	Ah ok. I guess F2 isn't really needed?
23:34:49	[IDC]Dragon	just to be complete.
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23:37:50	amiconn	[IDC]Dragon: I moved the Ondio hack down to the very end of init(), and shortened it to call the main menu once. Should I commit that?
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23:38:27	[IDC]Dragon	that's exactly like I did, yes
23:39:40	[IDC]Dragon	and I removed the button wait
23:39:47	amiconn	Yups
23:40:03	amiconn	it's down to a simple main_menu();
23:40:23	[IDC]Dragon	within #ifdef HAVE_MMC
23:40:32	amiconn	yups
23:40:38	[IDC]Dragon	;-)
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23:41:42	webguest71	hi
23:41:47	amiconn	Now let's see what's wrong with the writing...
23:42:00	bagawk	hi webguest71
23:42:33	webguest71	i see that tones, sound effects, etc are a "nodo"
23:42:55	webguest71	yet pitch control is a feature
23:43:03	bagawk	webguest71: yes, just cannot do it with the MPEG decoder
23:43:12	bagawk	and pitch is supported on the MAS
23:43:21	webguest71	what if
23:43:28	[IDC]Dragon	flashing again, I had a minor bug in the bootloader
23:43:36	webguest71	one made an mp3 of a pure sine
23:43:50	amiconn	bagawk: Pitch is not even a real feature of the mas, it's done by cheating
23:43:59	webguest71	looped and pitched to get the desired tones?
23:44:09	webguest71	cheating?
23:44:11	bagawk	amiconn: ohh yes :)
23:44:31	bagawk	webguest71: just a tiny speed adjustment
23:44:32	webguest71	like lying about bitrate?
23:44:54	amiconn	Yes, it is done by telling the mas a different clock frequency from what it really is
23:45:06	webguest71	how about creating a sine wave freq sweep, and picking out a segment to loop?
23:45:25	webguest71	i'd think a pure sine would compress well
23:45:53	amiconn	You can't do perfect loops with mp3, since you can only play complete frames
23:45:57	webguest71	just brainstorming...
23:46:06	webguest71	how long is a frame?
23:46:15	webguest71	a fixed bit count?
23:46:46	amiconn	It's a fixed number of samples; with 44.1 kHz it is ~26 ms
23:46:51	bagawk	webguest71: if you want, you can experiment with those waves, the program goldwave works well for it
23:47:06	webguest71	win?
23:47:10	webguest71	or linux?
23:47:42	webguest71	so a frame could be tailored for clean looping?
23:47:47	bagawk	both i think
23:47:53	bagawk	i know it works on windows
23:49:37	webguest71	Could a 1khz tone 1 frame long be looped/pitch bent to make other freqs and durations?
23:49:38	amiconn	webguest71: You can only loop those frequencies in a clean way where an integer number of periods fits into one frame
23:49:40	amiconn	If you change the pitch, there is always a short period of silence
23:49:55	webguest71	why is that?
23:50:43	amiconn	Because you have to tell the mas that it now has a different clock (cheating). It then reinitializes playback internally, which causes a short pause
23:51:09	webguest71	but then you can loop without additional pauses?
23:51:29	amiconn	Yes, as long as you don't change the pitch again
23:51:44	bagawk	bye
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23:51:50	webguest71	that'd be enough for button presses, etc, wouldn't it?
23:52:46	webguest71	just short beeps, to provide feedback.
23:53:10	amiconn	Yes. If the absolute frequency doesn't matter, you wouldn't even need to change pitch
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23:53:30	amiconn	Just choose a frequency that perfect-loops with the frame length
23:53:52	webguest71	okay, I just needed to try out that concept on you guys :)
23:55:10	[IDC]Dragon	amiconn: flashed Ondio behaves better with the On button
23:55:27	amiconn	In what respect?
23:55:30	[IDC]Dragon	just a regular push will switch it on
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23:55:52	[IDC]Dragon	no need to hold it for that little while
23:56:06	amiconn	I think the hold-one-sec is by design, to avoid accidentally switching it on
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23:56:22	amiconn	The On button is rather exposed...
23:56:58	[IDC]Dragon	short clicks are still ignored
23:57:18	[IDC]Dragon	that's the reset circuit, I guess
23:57:34	amiconn	It would be very nice if you would find a way to shorten the hold time for shutdown?
23:57:52	[IDC]Dragon	with the original, I had to release On before it starts
23:58:11	amiconn	I guess this is the same mechanism as for the fm, is the hold time there that long too?
23:58:13	[IDC]Dragon	I think power off in Rockbox is broken
23:58:19	amiconn	No, it works.
23:58:32	[IDC]Dragon	so you have to wait for the hardware power off
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23:58:39	amiconn	You have to hold the On/Off button for >4 s, then release it

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