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| 00:06:08 | elinenbe | LinusN: NICE commits... things are heating up! |
| 00:06:15 | elinenbe | keep up the GREAT work! |
| 00:06:18 | LinusN | :-) |
| 00:09:25 | midk | uh oh |
| 00:09:26 | * | midk checks it out |
| 00:09:56 | midk | wohoo! great! :) |
| 00:10:05 | midk | definitely wonderful work & progress |
| 00:10:43 | LinusN | lots of work left though... |
| 00:11:29 | midk | doing great so far, i expect you'll have it "running" quite soon :) |
| 00:11:37 | midk | i saw that the lcd driver works, in the picture.. also very cool |
| 00:12:02 | LinusN | yean, that's nice, now i can write text to the screen, very helpful when debugging |
| 00:12:23 | midk | the size of the screen also looks quite promising :) |
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| 00:16:08 | amiconn | LinusN: Nice things going on in cvs, congrats! |
| 00:18:44 | LinusN | thx |
| 00:21:08 | amiconn | Zagor/ Bagder/ LinusN: Did one of you already find some time to try building the extended installer? I suggest rebuilding the 2.3 release installer asap... because of the bug with the current one that Christi stumbled upon... |
| 00:21:49 | amiconn | (The current installer installs the rec v1 rombox.ucl for all recorder architectures... which does no good on a v2 or fm) |
| 00:22:08 | LinusN | i see |
| 00:22:32 | amiconn | And Ondio support of course ;-) |
| 00:22:34 | LinusN | i'll see what i can do |
| 00:22:48 | LinusN | where is the new one? |
| 00:23:01 | amiconn | If I did not mess up some Linux/Wine specifics, it should work right out of the box |
| 00:23:28 | amiconn | http://arnold-j.bei.t-online.de/Rockbox/innosetup-new-files.zip |
| 00:24:25 | amiconn | There are some changed+new files that go into "src", and one that goes into "bin/Languages". Should be obvious from the .zip dir structure |
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| 00:28:48 | amiconn | I wonder whether it would be possible to add the installer files (the "src" part) to cvs... |
| 00:29:29 | amiconn | This way, it would be much easier for contributors to extend the installation language support. |
| 00:32:45 | LinusN | we should do that |
| 00:37:41 | amiconn | Could be useful, yes. You'd have to come up with a way to transfer updated files from cvs to the correct dir for building the installer, but I think there already is such a solution for the web pages. |
| 00:38:38 | LinusN | shouldn't be a problem |
| 00:40:06 | amiconn | Plus, we should state what innosetup version is currently used to build the installer, and what language files are included by default (Swedish wasn't, but the older v 4.2.1 Swedish.isl did fit perfectly :) ) |
| 00:41:21 | amiconn | A little wiki page describing the procedure wouldn't hurt either - maybe that's a task for me :-/ |
| 00:43:02 | LinusN | probably :-) |
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| 01:00:46 | LinusN | wow |
| 01:01:06 | LinusN | my iriver adc driver worked on the first try |
| 01:03:02 | amiconn | Nice ) |
| 01:03:05 | amiconn | :) even |
| 01:03:50 | LinusN | time to buy a lottery ticket :-) |
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| 01:37:34 | Digital007 | Hi |
| 01:39:37 | amiconn | hi |
| 01:39:42 | Digital007 | hi amiconn |
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| 01:43:57 | joe1 | hello |
| 01:44:12 | Digital007 | hi joe1 |
| 01:44:31 | joe1 | i was checking on the rockbox webpage regarding firmware development on iriver h120 |
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| 01:45:10 | Digital007 | joe1 try this site www.misticriver.com |
| 01:45:17 | Digital007 | everything to do with this iriver |
| 01:45:24 | joe1 | i want to help but i have very less knowledge in firmwares. I can program in C. Can i get some resources how i can help |
| 01:45:50 | LinusN | joe1: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPort |
| 01:46:06 | joe1 | i want to get started reading some tutorials to get started on firmware development |
| 01:46:34 | joe1 | I really appreciate your work |
| 01:46:38 | LinusN | unfortunately, there isn't much for you to do at the moment |
| 01:47:14 | LinusN | however, you can investigate in different CODEC's |
| 01:47:15 | joe1 | i am very interested in learning stuff about firmware development |
| 01:47:28 | LinusN | in general? |
| 01:48:06 | joe1 | In general :) but I know i cant get much if I dont work on some live project.. |
| 01:48:43 | joe1 | I am a computer science graduate but never worked with hardwares |
| 01:48:58 | joe1 | much of my work is in software |
| 01:49:10 | joe1 | and I feel bad about not knowing much on hardware side |
| 01:50:09 | joe1 | Are there any books/guides you can suggest to get me started? |
| 01:50:19 | LinusN | hmmm |
| 01:50:22 | joe1 | so that i can be of any help later on |
| 01:50:51 | LinusN | i think O'Reilly has a book about embedded programming in general... |
| 01:51:18 | LinusN | i never read it |
| 01:51:36 | joe1 | i will check it out. I have a kitcon-167 board actually. |
| 01:51:37 | LinusN | my knowledge about this comes from experience |
| 01:51:49 | joe1 | I worked with CAN networking with this board for a while |
| 01:51:53 | LinusN | is that a PIC board? |
| 01:52:48 | Digital007 | I saw on the Rockbox homepage that the USB is working for the iriver? |
| 01:53:04 | LinusN | Digital007: no, only the USB cable detection |
| 01:53:13 | Digital007 | ok fair enough |
| 01:53:26 | Digital007 | how is the iriver progress coming on anyway? |
| 01:54:31 | LinusN | i just got the A/D converter driver working, meaning that i can read the buttons |
| 01:54:38 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPort |
| 01:54:45 | Digital007 | cool |
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| 01:54:50 | Digital007 | i'll check it out |
| 01:54:52 | joe1 | LinusN, I dont know what PIC means |
| 01:55:17 | Digital007 | I read that iriver was forced to rename the iHP-120 to H120 because Hewlett-Packard said that the HP letters are their trademark |
| 01:55:18 | joe1 | but I used to flash ROM and make it work |
| 01:55:26 | LinusN | joe1: nm, i just wondered about the CPU on that board |
| 01:55:49 | LinusN | Digital007: i heard that too |
| 01:56:32 | Digital007 | yea |
| 01:56:48 | Digital007 | Hewlett-Packard complained to iriver about the use of the HP letters in iHP-120 |
| 01:56:53 | Digital007 | so they renamed it to H120 |
| 01:56:58 | joe1 | Is the board on h120 USB host capable? |
| 01:56:59 | amiconn | Let's hope that rockbox won't get into trouble with all those other things called rockbox... |
| 01:57:08 | amiconn | joe1: nope |
| 01:57:17 | LinusN | we will probably, sooner or later |
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| 02:00:04 | joe1 | amiconn, somebody was claiming that they connected their canon digital camera to h120 directly and transfered some files to h120. I dont believe him. So, just curious to find out if the board has any usb host capabilities so that it can be modded with a firmware to make use of it. |
| 02:01:15 | LinusN | the usb chip on the iriver is mass storage only |
| 02:01:31 | LinusN | and only a slave |
| 02:01:54 | LinusN | it talks directly to the hard drive |
| 02:02:07 | LinusN | so the firmware is not involved |
| 02:03:09 | joe1 | yeah i believed the same. just wanted to make 100% sure with you guys since you guys know about that board in and out. |
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| 02:06:54 | bagawk | amiconn: hey |
| 02:07:17 | amiconn | hiya |
| 02:07:20 | bagawk | amiconn: I just got in my white leds today, and got done putting them in 15 minutes ago :) |
| 02:07:35 | bagawk | But there is one thing |
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| 02:07:49 | bagawk | I thought you said to rewire them into series |
| 02:07:59 | bagawk | but they were already that way |
| 02:08:04 | bagawk | I amde no change to that |
| 02:08:36 | bagawk | They look fine, a little bit dim, and even more when the disk spins up |
| 02:08:55 | amiconn | Nope, I said you'd have to rewire them *in parallel*, as they are in series by default |
| 02:09:09 | bagawk | ahh |
| 02:09:22 | bagawk | Ill go back later and do that |
| 02:09:44 | amiconn | That's why they are dim atm |
| 02:11:12 | bagawk | Thanks for the info on the mod |
| 02:11:20 | bagawk | See you later :) |
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| 02:15:57 | LinusN | time to sleep, nite all |
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| 07:52:28 | midk | [morning] LinusN |
| 07:56:26 | dwihno | Hejhej! |
| 07:59:07 | LinusN | yo |
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| 08:01:20 | amiconn | good morning |
| 08:05:48 | LinusN | morn |
| 08:13:08 | dwihno | goth mourning :[ |
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| 08:33:17 | amiconn | LinusN: I have packaged a 2.3 release installer from the distribution .zips, in case you don't find the time to integrate extended installer building, but want to replace the 2.3 installer now |
| 08:33:24 | amiconn | dwihno: What happened? |
| 08:35:42 | LinusN | amiconn: great |
| 08:39:15 | amiconn | It's here: http://arnold-j.bei.t-online.de/Rockbox/Rockbox-2.3-install.exe |
| 08:40:19 | amiconn | Anyway, I think adding the extended installer build would only take a couple of minutes. Replace the 4 changed files, add the 2 new ones, and there you go. |
| 08:43:06 | dwihno | amiconn: It's a goth mourning, that's all :D |
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| 09:11:47 | LinusN | hey, Paco! |
| 09:12:08 | Zagor | vad thänker du phċċ? |
| 09:12:17 | LinusN | salsasċċċċċs |
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| 09:14:45 | LinusN | Zagor: i can read the keyboard on the iriver now |
| 09:14:54 | Zagor | excellent! |
| 09:15:00 | LinusN | both the internal and the remote |
| 09:15:04 | kurzhaarrocker | Does that mean your kids feel better now, LinusN? |
| 09:15:11 | LinusN | kurzhaarrocker: yes and no |
| 09:15:27 | LinusN | first kid is better, second is getting sick |
| 09:15:49 | kurzhaarrocker | So the sickness makes its round in your family? |
| 09:15:58 | LinusN | i guess i'll catch it as well |
| 09:16:10 | LinusN | RUP |
| 09:16:15 | kurzhaarrocker | I thought you were the one who spread it. |
| 09:16:40 | * | kurzhaarrocker doesn't know what RUP is |
| 09:16:46 | LinusN | zagor does |
| 09:17:22 | LinusN | Rational Unified Process |
| 09:17:31 | kurzhaarrocker | ok |
| 09:17:39 | LinusN | or, in this case, Rapid Upcoming Puke |
| 09:17:50 | kurzhaarrocker | hrgh, not ok |
| 09:17:58 | Zagor | nasty illness. rational should be prosecuted for creating it. |
| 09:18:05 | LinusN | indeed |
| 09:18:27 | kurzhaarrocker | Norton Anti Virus doesn't help? |
| 09:18:58 | LinusN | nope, you have to empty the stomach and reformat it |
| 09:19:17 | kurzhaarrocker | :) |
| 09:19:51 | dwihno | LinusN: Congrats on the progress... If I wasn't such a poor fellow, I would've already bought myself an unit; just to show faith :) |
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| 09:21:06 | kurzhaarrocker | Btw: LinusN, I encountered another case of broken recording (stutter). Do you want the file? |
| 09:28:21 | LinusN | sure |
| 09:30:27 | kurzhaarrocker | Disclaimer: it contains a beginners violin practise session, don't use it on neighbours, enemies or animals! |
| 09:30:28 | kurzhaarrocker | http://carangg.de/R041028-195536.mp3 |
| 09:31:09 | kurzhaarrocker | Interesting is that there is a very short audiable glitch shortly before the stutter begins. |
| 09:31:23 | LinusN | mic? |
| 09:31:31 | kurzhaarrocker | No, spdif |
| 09:31:54 | LinusN | then it might be the famous/dreaded MAS bug |
| 09:32:23 | LinusN | the MAS loses the clock sync and never recovers |
| 09:32:24 | kurzhaarrocker | persumably yes. |
| 09:33:00 | LinusN | got it |
| 09:33:15 | kurzhaarrocker | Then I'll delete it from my precious web space. |
| 09:33:28 | LinusN | do so |
| 09:34:01 | kurzhaarrocker | The recording was made with V2.3 + triggered recording patch |
| 09:34:18 | kurzhaarrocker | a dozen other recordings from the same session were without problems |
| 09:35:35 | LinusN | aha, a patched version |
| 09:35:44 | kurzhaarrocker | Hm. When you have prerecording enabled - does the mas ever change the recording mode? |
| 09:36:04 | LinusN | no warranty on patched versions :-) |
| 09:36:17 | LinusN | kurzhaarrocker: no it doesn't change mode |
| 09:36:32 | kurzhaarrocker | I didn't brake any seals. I wasn't even in the zoo at all! |
| 09:37:19 | LinusN | :-) |
| 09:37:24 | kurzhaarrocker | That means that the mas _did_ recover as the next take was without problems. |
| 09:38:51 | LinusN | did you stop in between? |
| 09:38:57 | kurzhaarrocker | The trigger did |
| 09:39:08 | LinusN | with mpeg_stop()? |
| 09:39:29 | * | kurzhaarrocker looks at his code |
| 09:40:25 | LinusN | i believe that changes the mode before prerecording again |
| 09:41:29 | kurzhaarrocker | Yes, the trigger uses mpeg_stop(). |
| 09:43:28 | LinusN | just checked the mpeg code, yes it restarts the recording |
| 09:44:21 | kurzhaarrocker | But that still means that I got a broken recording after < 2min. If I recall Paul correctly he didn't get any problems with recordings < 45 min. |
| 09:44:57 | kurzhaarrocker | ok that explains why the next recordings were ok. |
| 09:46:05 | LinusN | it can lose sync anytime |
| 09:46:19 | LinusN | it's a signal quality issue |
| 09:49:28 | kurzhaarrocker | I just wonder how I once got a broken recording of the same kind when I recorded from line in. |
| 09:52:03 | LinusN | interesting, then it may not be the sync bug after all |
| 09:53:14 | LinusN | hmmm, i wonder if you can repeat the bug by feeding it a hard-to-encode signal? |
| 09:53:35 | LinusN | like distortion, clipping, DC level or similar |
| 09:54:14 | kurzhaarrocker | Did you notice that glicht before the stutter happens? |
| 09:54:32 | kurzhaarrocker | It's maybe 2 or 3 seconds before |
| 09:55:14 | LinusN | i haven't listened to it, i just downloaded it so you could free your web space |
| 09:55:20 | kurzhaarrocker | :) |
| 09:57:03 | kurzhaarrocker | Well the other broken recording happend with a band at least as lousy as that violinist. Maybe the mas has a soul that can suffer, too. |
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| 10:01:51 | LinusN | :-) |
| 10:08:41 | amiconn | LinusN: I tired to deliberately produce broken recording (by overdriving the input by about 12 dB) - error rate didn't change significantly |
| 10:08:55 | LinusN | ok |
| 10:09:14 | amiconn | s/tired/tried/ |
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| 10:30:24 | [IDC]Dragon | 'morning out there |
| 10:30:54 | amiconn | morning Jörg |
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| 10:32:31 | [IDC]Dragon | Jens, I tried 3ivx on this box, but DirectShow has general problems with .avi here |
| 10:33:27 | [IDC]Dragon | are you sure the FOURCC is YUV2? |
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| 10:34:06 | [IDC]Dragon | www.fourcc.org doesn't list that one |
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| 10:39:45 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: No, the fourcc isn't YUV2, this is one of the pixel formats it can deliver. 3ivx can decode all divx variants, plus it's own format (for which the fourcc is probably 3ivx) |
| 10:40:01 | amiconn | The videos I tried to convert are DivX variants |
| 10:41:13 | amiconn | I finally found an intermediate format (Indeo 5.1) that, when used in in GraphEdit, produces a stream format that is accepted by rvf_mux. |
| 10:41:45 | amiconn | However, videos converted to .rvf from that run even worse than those converted the "classic" way (command line) |
| 10:42:15 | amiconn | In addition to the audio underruns, they produce frequent audio dropouts (about every second) |
| 10:49:04 | [IDC]Dragon | with the FOURCC, I meant the one at the decoder output, the pixel format |
| 10:50:57 | amiconn | Ah ok. The pixel formats provided by 3ivx are YUV2, YV12, and various RGB formats |
| 10:51:29 | amiconn | Iirc, FourCC means the codec id in the avi file |
| 10:53:05 | [IDC]Dragon | no, it's a general concept |
| 10:53:56 | LinusN | amiconn, Zagor: I have now updated rockbox-2.3-install.exe and the installation files |
| 10:54:08 | amiconn | Some RGB format names are 5 characters long |
| 10:54:18 | Zagor | LinusN: goodie |
| 10:54:41 | [IDC]Dragon | LinusN: thanks, nice |
| 10:55:02 | LinusN | next task is of course to add it to cvs |
| 10:55:39 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: I support YV12 and YUY2 |
| 10:55:53 | [IDC]Dragon | YUV2 seems to be uncommon |
| 10:56:23 | [IDC]Dragon | but I can extend to allow such connection, let's see what happens |
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| 11:00:34 | [IDC]Dragon | but it's strange why it doesn't connect with YUY2 |
| 11:04:48 | amiconn | LinusN: "The requested URL /download/rockbox-2.3-install.exe was not found on this server" |
| 11:06:32 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I was wrong - it does deliver YUY2, but it doesn't connect anyway |
| 11:07:46 | LinusN | amiconn: your file had a capital R |
| 11:07:50 | LinusN | i have renamed it now |
| 11:08:11 | Zagor | yeah, the installed builder makes a file with capital R |
| 11:09:41 | amiconn | Zagor: This is easily fixable if desired |
| 11:11:56 | Zagor | yeah, it's probably best |
| 11:12:13 | LinusN | someone with a clue should put this in cvs |
| 11:12:43 | Zagor | I'll look at it after lunch |
| 11:18:02 | LinusN | i said "someone with a clue" :-) |
| 11:18:09 | Zagor | :) |
| 11:18:09 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: I have added YUV2 now, on special request :-( |
| 11:22:25 | amiconn | LinusN: The download page needs 2 corrections: (1) Size display for the installer (2) "Not for Ondio yet" should be removed |
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| 12:39:44 | LinusN | amiconn: it's in cvs, www/download/index.t |
| 12:41:34 | amiconn | Ah ok |
| 12:42:29 | LinusN | i have fixed it now |
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| 13:30:04 | dwihno | Anyone knows anyone who can get a SonyEricsson Z1010 spare part really fast? :) |
| 13:30:49 | * | LinusN looks away |
| 13:48:56 | dwihno | Okay, I'm having this dilemma... Should I: 1) Send my phone away for ~2 weeks to get the repair done, 2) wait ~3 weeks for the local repair shop to get the spare part, and get the phone fixed when the part arrives... |
| 13:49:30 | dwihno | If I choose option 2, I'll have to pay the repair myself |
| 13:50:33 | LinusN | two weeks! wow! |
| 13:58:17 | dwihno | Yeah... |
| 13:58:57 | dwihno | What can I say... :/ |
| 13:59:41 | dwihno | What would you do, if the phone was yours? |
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| 14:03:31 | LinusN | i normally send it away for repair |
| 14:03:56 | LinusN | well, the Nokia repair shop is in Stockholm, so it normally takes only a few days |
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| 14:04:44 | khrocker | handy = cellular phone |
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| 14:05:27 | dwihno | Buy Swedish - buy Sony! ;) |
| 14:18:10 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Is there a place to get your modified DirectShow filter? |
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| 15:53:18 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: just got back |
| 15:53:47 | [IDC]Dragon | what "modified DirectShow filter"? I removed the YUV2 again. |
| 15:57:53 | amiconn | It's okay. I just though I could test that modification, but it wouldn't make much sense either. |
| 15:58:28 | amiconn | I still wonder what causes all those playback problems with MPEG2 audio tracks... |
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| 16:00:51 | [IDC]Dragon | in general, or with video? |
| 16:02:09 | amiconn | With video |
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| 16:28:32 | [IDC]Dragon | I can try to move the audio a bit ahead, the old command line rvf_mux had that option, but I don't think it'll help |
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| 16:29:23 | [IDC]Dragon | or, produce an audio-only rvf (might work, implemented but not tested) |
| 16:29:36 | [IDC]Dragon | to see if there is a general problem |
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| 16:32:24 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I can try that, in the evening |
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| 21:52:14 | miner49er | i've just submitted my plasma demo effort into the patch tracker if anyone is interested :-) |
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| 22:01:38 | amiconn | miner49er: Nice idea. I did not yet try it, just some remarks from a quick glance at the source: |
| 22:02:56 | amiconn | (1) You you floating point maths for the sine precalculation, that's why it is so slow. Fixed point maths would be way faster here, and probably make the binary smaller too |
| 22:03:30 | amiconn | (2) The USB handling needs some rework |
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| 22:08:08 | Rex | hey :) |
| 22:08:26 | [IDC]Dragon | hi |
| 22:08:45 | Rex | cool i thought this chat was dead :) |
| 22:09:00 | Rex | hey Jörg :P |
| 22:09:04 | [IDC]Dragon | it just smells funny |
| 22:09:10 | Rex | i see :) |
| 22:09:40 | Rex | i saw that Rockbox is making software for Archos Jukeboxes :) |
| 22:10:15 | [IDC]Dragon | you're new? |
| 22:10:19 | Rex | which is very cool, except that it doesnt support my box.... and archos also stopt supporting my jukebox.... So i actually dont know what to do :(((( |
| 22:10:30 | Rex | i am |
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| 22:10:54 | [IDC]Dragon | hmm, buy another box? :-/ |
| 22:10:58 | Wolf | :| |
| 22:11:02 | Wolf | thats like ... impossible |
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| 22:11:06 | miner49er | thanks for the tips amicon. I must admit I wanted the challange of creating Sine values from scratch but now I've done that I guess I could hard code some int values :-) |
| 22:11:28 | Rexx | if i knew how to make the software i would try it myself =\ |
| 22:11:47 | amiconn | miner49er: Iirc the cube plugin (or was it bounce?) already contains a sine table |
| 22:12:16 | miner49er | yeah, I saw that - could we share that data - I would hate to repeat code! |
| 22:12:48 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: I installed 3ivx here at home now, connects nicely |
| 22:13:05 | miner49er | ...it's the cube plugin. If we could string plugins together we could make a megademo! |
| 22:14:20 | Rexx | if there is some site that tells you how to make an OS for a jukebox.... or something that can help me.... well gimme the url then ;) |
| 22:15:13 | miner49er | what model of Archos do you have rexx? |
| 22:15:29 | Rexx | i got Archos Multimedia Jukebox |
| 22:15:32 | Rexx | 120 i think |
| 22:16:05 | Rexx | 20 GB ... but i will upgrade it to 80 GB soon .. (i found a site that tells you how to do so) |
| 22:17:10 | miner49er | your best hope is the AVos project http://avos.sourceforge.net/ I reckon but that may just be for the other models again |
| 22:17:11 | Rexx | http://www.rockbox.org/docs/fmrecorder_t.jpg >> looks a lot like my archos :) |
| 22:17:50 | miner49er | yours plays video, right? Rockbox will probably never run on it :-( shame as I have a multimedia too - nice device shame about the software |
| 22:17:59 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: What additional filters get inserted between the 3ivx decoder and rvf_mux? |
| 22:18:13 | amiconn | Maybe there is a filter that is missing on my box... |
| 22:19:01 | [IDC]Dragon | none |
| 22:19:44 | amiconn | Really strange... Lemme check versions |
| 22:19:56 | [IDC]Dragon | I got 4.5 |
| 22:19:59 | Rexx | miner49er: yeah |
| 22:20:16 | [IDC]Dragon | input is MP43, with this clip |
| 22:20:35 | [IDC]Dragon | output is YV12 |
| 22:20:41 | miner49er | I understand it to be vastly different hardware, therefore requiring very different software. |
| 22:21:01 | [IDC]Dragon | Rexx: look for the Avos and LinAV projects |
| 22:21:04 | Rexx | ah :( |
| 22:21:16 | Rexx | im looking at avOs but i think mine is not supported over there |
| 22:21:39 | [IDC]Dragon | correct, but the hardware is similar |
| 22:21:44 | Rexx | ah :) |
| 22:21:46 | miner49er | Have any core developers seen this site: http://www.donat.org/archos/ with info on GMini? |
| 22:21:55 | [IDC]Dragon | sure |
| 22:22:30 | miner49er | is the hardware similer at all to our players/recorders? |
| 22:22:53 | [IDC]Dragon | no. Archos has mainly 3 architectures: |
| 22:23:08 | [IDC]Dragon | 1) the SH platform we're working with |
| 22:23:34 | [IDC]Dragon | 2) TI platform for the AV models |
| 22:28:21 | [IDC]Dragon | 3) Telechips for the Gmini's |
| 22:28:21 | miner49er | shame. I don't know what I willdo ehen my (3rd) FmRecorder breaks... |
| 22:28:21 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: 3ivx is D4 v4.5.1, source video is DX50, audio MPEG2 layer 3. AVI splitter inserted, 3ivx D4 Video decoder @ video pin. Rvf_mux is the version from your home page. |
| 22:28:21 | Rexx | i dont have AV .... what architecture am i using then? :S |
| 22:28:21 | [IDC]Dragon | 2) and 3) use proprietary CPUs, for which free development tools and info are rather non existing |
| 22:28:21 | [IDC]Dragon | Rexx: your MM is an AV |
| 22:28:21 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Trying to connect 3ivx D4 output with Rvf_mux input -> The filters cannot agree on a connection :( |
| 22:28:21 | Rexx | ok |
| 22:28:21 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK [IDC]Dragon |
| 22:28:21 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: can you provide me with such a clip? |
| 22:28:21 | [IDC]Dragon | what is DX50? |
| 22:28:21 | Rexx | ah no project supports Archos MM :( i should start my own ;) |
| 22:28:21 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: You can download it from the web (official download): http://www.drakkar.de/files/xandria_ravenheart.avi |
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| 22:28:21 | [IDC]Dragon | excellent |
| 22:28:21 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK amiconn |
| 22:28:21 | amiconn | DX50 is DivX 5.0 |
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| 22:29:00 | amiconn | (one of the mayn not-quite-compatible MPEG4 incarnations) |
| 22:29:06 | amiconn | s/mayn/many/ |
| 22:30:38 | [IDC]Dragon | dumb question: how do I save that? IE and Opera want to play it right away |
| 22:30:48 | Rexx | i think ill stay here a longer while, as i am starting to like this chat.... (im learning a lot in a short time :P) |
| 22:30:56 | amiconn | Erm, Right mouse button -> save as... |
| 22:31:10 | [IDC]Dragon | right mouse on what? |
| 22:31:17 | miner49er | rexx: Please start a MM project! I wouldn't have a clue where to start, but would help wherever I could |
| 22:31:23 | amiconn | I use Mozilla by default, but some sites unfortunately require IE |
| 22:31:33 | [IDC]Dragon | just the directory won't list |
| 22:31:38 | miner49er | evil IE :-) |
| 22:31:54 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Ah ok, because I gave the direct link. |
| 22:32:39 | miner49er | problem with MM project is that there only about 5 people on the planet who would be interested...wouldn't stop me though! |
| 22:33:12 | Rexx | lol miner i also wouldnt know where to start :P all i know is Java, PHP, UML, Perl, SQL and JavaScript! So nothng usefull! |
| 22:33:17 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: So you'll have to do some klicks: (1) Go to http://www.xandria.de/index2.html (2) Select "discography" at the top, then the right album. |
| 22:33:29 | Rexx | about 5 people? i think a lot more.... :p |
| 22:33:43 | Rexx | in my classroom 3 persons have a MM :P |
| 22:33:46 | amiconn | In the track list, the last track has the link to the video, save it with rmb->save as... |
| 22:34:24 | Rexx | i could start a project but i dont know where to start (after i made the project site) |
| 22:35:13 | [IDC]Dragon | got it |
| 22:35:27 | [IDC]Dragon | (was still in the cache) |
| 22:35:38 | Rexx | i found a pdf with info about the chip and i know what chip MM is using.... well at least i got some info now :) |
| 22:36:12 | miner49er | I was exaggerating with the "5 people" thing.:-) |
| 22:36:21 | Rexx | :p |
| 22:36:46 | Rexx | wow the file i found is 250 a4 pages :| |
| 22:37:18 | miner49er | Also, I think there is a problem with the method of updating the firmware - I think it has to be flashed in order to run - so even if we gathered enough information to compile something we would knacker our boxes straight away! |
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| 22:38:43 | Rexx | so what you are saying is.... we r fucked :) |
| 22:38:54 | Rexx | we could all spam Archos :P |
| 22:38:57 | Rexx | with requests ;) |
| 22:39:08 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: connects happily |
| 22:39:49 | miner49er | I'm not sure we are knackered, cleverer people than me have designed methods to reflash via a serial connction i think. |
| 22:40:13 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Hmm, now that is really strange. |
| 22:41:08 | amiconn | Whoops! |
| 22:41:37 | amiconn | I found the problem, but this really was not obvious, grr |
| 22:42:23 | miner49er | there may allready be a way. I think if you hold down a cetain key and power up whilst connected to USB a secret partition appears and i think you can dump a new flash file in there... |
| 22:42:32 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon:i In the 3ivx properties, I had set "Hardware Acceleration"->"Force Overlay" to on. When I switch that off, it connects.... |
| 22:42:33 | Rexx | wow i found a yahoo group with 35999 messages about MM ..... |
| 22:42:57 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: oh, that explains alot |
| 22:43:50 | miner49er | ..i think, try it... |
| 22:43:58 | miner49er | ..hang on, i'll try. |
| 22:44:10 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Now that there is an .rvf file of reasonable size, let's see how it plays... |
| 22:44:39 | Rexx | i could see if there is a secret partition |
| 22:44:42 | Rexx | just gimme a sec :P |
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| 22:46:29 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: sounds no good here, audio very intermittive |
| 22:46:40 | amiconn | Same here |
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| 22:46:46 | [IDC]Dragon | tha pointer run apart |
| 22:46:55 | [IDC]Dragon | the pointers |
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| 22:47:19 | [IDC]Dragon | check with F1 |
| 22:47:24 | amiconn | Stops after less than a minute, with 6 audio underruns and 1 video underrun |
| 22:48:18 | amiconn | That's the same behaviour I got with my indeo intermediates and converting with DirectShow. |
| 22:48:40 | [IDC]Dragon | did you re-encode audio? |
| 22:48:48 | amiconn | Nope |
| 22:49:01 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm suspecting the audio |
| 22:49:04 | amiconn | When converting with cmd line tools, the audio is not intermittent, but the audio underruns and early stop still happen |
| 22:49:10 | Rexx | i could kill my archos for what im doing right now |
| 22:49:15 | Rexx | i hope i dont =\ |
| 22:49:26 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I have a second video with the same problem... |
| 22:49:33 | [IDC]Dragon | probably my parser is not timestamping the audio correct |
| 22:49:46 | miner49er | carefull then. It may not be actually on the drive it may be some memory in the deviceor something |
| 22:50:08 | amiconn | ...and I got 3 other videos, using the same video & audio codecs, only difference being it's MPEG1 (44.1 kHz). They work fine |
| 22:50:32 | [IDC]Dragon | ok, audio is fishy |
| 22:50:36 | miner49er | I did it once, I got the info from some newsgroup or yahoo group or something. don't break anything, i'll search the net to try and re-find the method. Damn my useless memory |
| 22:50:53 | Rexx | i know a yahoo group... |
| 22:50:59 | Rexx | http://groups.yahoo.com/group/archosmultimedia/ |
| 22:51:03 | Rexx | im looking over there |
| 22:51:08 | Rexx | but they have 40000 messages |
| 22:51:12 | Rexx | so i dont know where to start :p |
| 22:51:21 | miner49er | search for colour bars or color bars - I remember it booted up with coloured bars instead of regular screen |
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| 22:52:22 | Rexx | No matches found in the messages searched. |
| 22:52:24 | amiconn_ | bah |
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| 22:53:56 | miner49er | rexx: my damn girlfriend wants to use the TV now and my other computer aint connected to the net, so I gotta go - if I find out that stuff I'll let you know via here or email me at matholton@landofconfusion.com |
| 22:54:13 | Rexx | stupid yahoo only looks at the last 1000 posts |
| 22:54:20 | Rexx | ok cya |
| 22:54:33 | Rexx | im sure ill cya over here |
| 22:54:34 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: When I converted the video with cmd line tools, I also tried playing the audio track on its own (as .mp3, on the box). It played fine... |
| 22:54:46 | Rexx | when do u think u will be back btw? |
| 22:58:35 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: my parser must tell the audio consumptions totally wrong |
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| 23:00:01 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I'll retry a hand-converted version and watch the pointers... Btw, which pointer is which? |
| 23:00:18 | [IDC]Dragon | I have to look in the source |
| 23:01:14 | [IDC]Dragon | audio is at the top |
| 23:01:32 | amiconn | Luckily, I still have one of my cmd line conversions laying around.. |
| 23:03:49 | amiconn | Strange: with that video, the pointers run apart too, but not that fast. It looks like the audio pointer is running exactly twice as fast as the video pointer. |
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| 23:06:58 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: Both tests combined tell me that both the command line and the DirectShow Rvf_mux get the timing wrong for MPEG2 audio, but by a different amount... |
| 23:09:01 | [IDC]Dragon | with DS, it looks like audio runs >5 times too fast |
| 23:10:58 | [IDC]Dragon | but audio doesn't play correct, why is it consumed so fast? |
| 23:11:04 | Ctcp | Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 23:11:04 | * | amiconn will try DirectShow with MPEG1 audio |
| 23:11:26 | [IDC]Dragon | that should work, I've done that |
| 23:11:48 | [IDC]Dragon | am I missing some MAS setup? |
| 23:13:00 | amiconn | I don't think so. The playback setup will play any version, any sample freq, layer 2 and 3 |
| 23:14:27 | miner49er | advert break! what is so special about corranation street i'l never know! I will be back here 2morrow or friday...bye |
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| 23:15:19 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: DS-converted video clip with MPEG1 works fine here, too. |
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| 23:19:55 | amiconn | [IDC]Dragon: I just saw a *very* strange effect. I tried playing the DS-converted clip that does not play correctly again, watching the pointers with F1. |
| 23:20:49 | amiconn | After that I wanted to stop, which didn't work. I tried several times, obviously rockbox was run away. Suddenly, the whole pixel area looked *blue*! |
| 23:20:56 | amiconn | Yes! no kidding! |
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| 23:21:29 | [IDC]Dragon | you discovered the color mode? ;-) |
| 23:21:54 | amiconn | I dunno what I discovered, but it's true! |
| 23:23:06 | [IDC]Dragon | with my backlight, it looks sortof blue anyway |
| 23:23:37 | [IDC]Dragon | but gray video areas look a bit sepia |
| 23:23:38 | amiconn | Hehe, yes. I also have that, but that's not what I observed |
| 23:24:05 | amiconn | The whole pixel area looked blue, without flickering |
| 23:24:21 | [IDC]Dragon | so I think the LCD film can do some sort of wavelength seperation |
| 23:24:45 | amiconn | Unfortunately I switched the it off before I thought of taking a photo |
| 23:25:14 | amiconn | Maybe leaving it in this state for too long doesn't do any good to the display |
| 23:25:30 | [IDC]Dragon | remember the Siemens S10 mobile phone? it had a color LCD, where the colors are generated by different voltaged or so |
| 23:25:53 | amiconn | I was trying to get that effect back, but all I get are CPUAdrErrors :( |
| 23:26:01 | [IDC]Dragon | but only rainbow colors, and not very distinct |
| 23:26:53 | [IDC]Dragon | work on it, that'll be a killer feature! |
| 23:27:07 | amiconn | For the choppy audio: I suspect the DS version of rvf_mux does not correctly link the audio blocks, so the mas is fed with garbage |
| 23:27:45 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe I can do some diagnostics tomorrow |
| 23:28:45 | [IDC]Dragon | does the command line version play (besides the double speed pointer)? |
| 23:28:46 | amiconn | It looks like it's 4 times as fast as the video with DS (derived from the playtime) |
| 23:29:32 | amiconn | The command line version plays, but causes a number of audio underruns, and ends prematurely |
| 23:29:53 | [IDC]Dragon | I have to write a rvf demux :-( |
| 23:31:20 | amiconn | Remember that I found a bug with the cmd line rvf_mux back then? This was also related to MPEG2 and MPEG2.5, not correctly linking audio blocks.... |
| 23:31:52 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, I do |
| 23:32:07 | [IDC]Dragon | and this should be fixed now in both versions |
| 23:32:29 | amiconn | I have to agree here :) |
| 23:33:12 | amiconn | May it be that this not-correctly linking bug is still in the DS version? |
| 23:34:09 | [IDC]Dragon | that came a lot later |
| 23:34:20 | amiconn | (But this would be indeed a bit strange, since you wrote it after the command line version) |
| 23:35:03 | [IDC]Dragon | very strange: I just made a audio-only rvf with DS |
| 23:35:14 | amiconn | I could prepare a number of short clips, with all MPEG version, layer and freq combinations that are possible. |
| 23:35:28 | amiconn | And? |
| 23:35:30 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe the player isbuggy for that, since I never tested |
| 23:35:53 | [IDC]Dragon | but: it shows some bits of video! |
| 23:36:21 | amiconn | Ooops! Does it show parts of the original video, or random garbage? |
| 23:36:32 | [IDC]Dragon | looks like the original |
| 23:37:06 | amiconn | How could this happen? You didn't connect the video pin, did you? |
| 23:37:11 | [IDC]Dragon | the file is shorter than just audio, also very mysterious |
| 23:37:29 | [IDC]Dragon | video was unconnected, no decoder inthe graph |
| 23:37:55 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe my file system is garbled |
| 23:37:57 | amiconn | Now it gets really mysterious... |
| 23:38:19 | amiconn | ...blue lcds, video where there should be none... |
| 23:38:36 | [IDC]Dragon | isn't it halloween? |
| 23:38:40 | amiconn | ...the mysterious video.rock ;-) |
| 23:39:05 | amiconn | Halloween is already over ?!?!? |
| 23:39:29 | * | amiconn will also try audio only |
| 23:41:20 | [IDC]Dragon | 2nd try looks similar |
| 23:41:33 | [IDC]Dragon | the video in very fast forward |
| 23:42:11 | [IDC]Dragon | but the black bars are clearly visible |
| 23:44:08 | amiconn | Similar problems with MPEG1 audio track & audio only |
| 23:44:53 | [IDC]Dragon | ? |
| 23:45:09 | [IDC]Dragon | do you get video, too? |
| 23:45:42 | amiconn | Starts with a part of the original video, then black screen, audio stutters a bit, then plays continuously for several seconds (still black screen). |
| 23:46:02 | amiconn | After that, it stops and reports 11 video underruns |
| 23:46:12 | [IDC]Dragon | how on earth can the video get into there? |
| 23:46:33 | amiconn | The mysteries of DirectShow :-/ |
| 23:46:52 | amiconn | After all, it's called Direct *Show* |
| 23:47:01 | [IDC]Dragon | without a decoder? |
| 23:47:56 | amiconn | Yeah, that's indeed strange. Perhaps the AVI splitter is confused if it has no drain for the video... |
| 23:48:31 | * | amiconn retries with an added "Null renderer" |
| 23:51:16 | amiconn | Grr, now "play graph" doesn't end... |
| 23:53:03 | [IDC]Dragon | I think the video is still in DRAM, it goes fetching somewhere |
| 23:53:37 | amiconn | You think it's caused by the player? |
| 23:53:49 | [IDC]Dragon | yes |
| 23:54:18 | amiconn | That's easy to test - switch off the player, wait a while, and try playing directly after boot |
| 23:54:26 | amiconn | I'll do that |
| 23:55:19 | [IDC]Dragon | I try to play a different video before the audio only file |
| 23:55:24 | amiconn | You are right - now it shows random pixels instead of the original video |
| 23:56:20 | amiconn | So the player thinks the .rvf does contain audio+video, while in fact there is only audio... |
| 23:57:29 | [IDC]Dragon | I see the futurama clip I played before |
| 23:57:33 | amiconn | It seems impossible to build an audio-only .rvf with the command line tools |
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