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#rockbox log for 2004-11-27

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00:41:11amiconnIs there a reason why rockbox has exactly *42* plugins?
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06:36:10ajiuOisnt there a chanle for the gmini on here
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12:30:23[IDC]Dragonhi guys!
12:30:24amiconnHi Jrg
12:30:59[IDC]DragonI was lucky: found a GPS device "in the mud"
12:31:19[IDC]Dragona really small garmin with a broken LCD
12:31:32amiconnAnd now you do want to connect this to the archos? ;-)
12:31:38[IDC]Dragonyes
12:31:53amiconnI found some more interesting things about the player hw
12:32:07[IDC]Dragonwhich is?
12:32:26amiconnThe ata power control capability was very likely added *before* the new lcd
12:32:54amiconnI have 2 (imho) strong points why I believe this:
12:33:04[IDC]Dragonexplains why it's always used
12:33:39[IDC]Dragonbtw, this is the GPS: http://www.garmin.com/products/forerunner201/
12:33:47amiconn(1) The ata power on/off routines are already in 4.09, whilst new lcd was added after that. However they are not in 3.18
12:34:29amiconn(2) This page, with anchor: http://funmp3players.com/faq/archos/#hwfw:hwversions
12:35:23amiconnIt seems archos uses a tricky detect rotine to decide whether to use ata power control or not. It's not determined by the ROM version
12:35:27*[IDC]Dragon is away
12:47:17[IDC]Dragoninteresting firmware listing
12:50:19amiconnIf this listing can be considered complete (up to 4.53), the only "old" firmware missing in our dump collection is 4.13
12:50:40[IDC]Dragonoh, there are that few?
12:50:53[IDC]Dragonthe numbers suggest a broad range
12:51:27amiconnYes, but most are disk update versions only (MOD)
12:51:36[IDC]DragonI haven't told you my MMC details yet
12:51:51[IDC]Dragonpower indication is nicely low
12:52:01[IDC]Dragonspeed is rather slow
12:52:42[IDC]DragonTsac 10 ms
12:52:51[IDC]DragonNsack 0 clk
12:52:59[IDC]DragonR2W *4
12:53:12[IDC]DragonIRmax 35 mA
12:53:25[IDC]DragonIWmax 35..45 mA
12:54:08amiconnLooks almost like the internal flash values...
12:54:54[IDC]Dragonnah, that was 60..80 mA, 3.5 ms, *32
12:55:06amiconn??
12:55:24[IDC]Dragonsorry, I confused the two
12:55:27[IDC]Dragonahem
12:56:03[IDC]Dragonso it uses more power :-(
12:56:46amiconn60..80 mA is quite common for MMCs. My 256 MB card has the same power consumption.
12:57:09[IDC]Dragonwhat's R2W *32 ?
12:57:14[IDC]Dragonslow writing?
12:57:38amiconnThat means, the (worst case) write timeout is 32 times the (worst case) read timeout
12:57:48[IDC]Dragonah, ok
12:57:59amiconnIt's the "R2W factor" as it's called in the MMC specs
12:58:18[IDC]DragonI used an external USB2 card reader to fill it
12:58:30[IDC]Dragontook almost half an hour :-(
12:59:28amiconnYeah... The limiting factor is the maximum MMC clock speed here
12:59:39amiconnMMC is serial, maximum clock 20 MHz
12:59:59[IDC]Dragonyes, i know
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13:00:30[IDC]Dragonthere's a follow-up standard with up to 4 pins and higher clock
13:01:26amiconnSD cards have maximum clock of 25 MHz, plus optional 4-bit parallel transfer. I don't know whether MMC 4.0 does also define similar methods
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