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#rockbox log for 2004-12-01

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00:58:50amiconnBagder: r u there now?
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01:30:34webguest04hello
01:33:19amiconnhi
01:34:11webguest04things kinda slow right now?
01:35:01scott666_webguest04: depends on what you mean by slow, really
01:35:07webguest04I've got some minor UI comments.
01:35:43scott666_IRC is logged, if you leave comments they will probably be read eventually :-)
01:35:50webguest04ok.
01:37:04webguest04When you boot or reboot, with resume set on, and with speech on, it'd be nice to get an audio prompt for resume.
01:37:34scott666_you mean with resume set to Ask?
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01:37:44webguest04yes.
01:38:09webguest04I get the red-led lockups while driving.
01:38:30webguest04I'd like to know when to hit the button.
01:38:35scott666what version of rockbox are you using?
01:38:53webguest04ummm. 2.3 at least.
01:39:00scott666ok
01:39:15webguest04cvs 041111
01:39:26scott666there was a partial bug fix of the RLD issue at some point a while back
01:39:32scott666between 2.2 and 2.3
01:39:33webguest04am I totally behind :)
01:39:45scott666nope, I am
01:39:48webguest04I love open source software.
01:40:12scott666AFAIK there is no fix for RLDs besides getting a new HD
01:40:27webguest04Also, I think there should be a startup sound. "audio splash screen" :)
01:40:30amiconnwebguest04: What harddisk model do you have (info->debug->view disk info)?
01:40:43webguest04I will upgrade HDD soon. full already.
01:41:01amiconnIf it's Hitachi DK23CA or DK23DA, you're probably out of luck (with that disk)
01:41:37webguest04dk23da-10. oh well.
01:41:58webguest04A used notebook drive is pretty cheap.
01:43:47webguest04Another comment: the voiced filenames might be a little slicker if there was a slight delay before they begin, so scrolling thru a directory wasn't so odd sounding.
01:44:19webguest04I feel almost like I'm interupting the speaker :)
01:45:13webguest04maybe preface the directory name with a short click or beep...
01:46:08webguest04all things considered, though, the voice feedback is a huge plus.
01:46:21amiconnThe effect that the currently voiced filename is interrupted when you scroll further is intended. However, iirc there should be a slight delay before the current filename is voiced, so it waits until you stop scrolling (??)
01:46:42webguest04amiconn: I agree
01:47:16webguest04that sounds like a minor tweak.
01:48:01amiconnPooh, I didn't break the automated builds with my button driver overhaul. :) Hopefully it'll still work on fm/v2 (the only platform I can't test on myself)....
01:48:40webguest04what was the overhaul intended to accomplish?
01:49:11 Quit mecraw__ ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)")
01:49:56amiconnMostly code cleanup, correcting some minor inconsistencies, and bring button filtering to the player.
01:50:37webguest04filtering? like debounce?
01:50:48amiconnyup
01:51:31webguest04I haven't noticed any probs.
01:52:16amiconnDo you own a player?
01:52:40webguest04nope. recorder.\
01:52:57webguest04which reminds me...
01:53:10amiconnRecorder already had button debounce. In fact, all models but the player had it.
01:53:19webguest04is there a way to change the earphone volume while recording?
01:53:42webguest04how did the player miss out? oversight?
01:54:32amiconn(volume change while recording) It's not implemented, but should be possible hardware-wise. You could file a rfe
01:55:07webguest04is that a fancy acronym for a feature request?
01:55:40amiconnrfe == "request for enhancement". Sourceforge calls it like that
01:56:11webguest04I think 695767 is similar.
01:56:57webguest04it asks for a "universal key combo" for volume control everywhere.
01:57:15webguest04it must be hard to plan a UI
01:57:35webguest04especially with multiple platforms
01:57:45webguest04and constant feature creep.
01:58:50amiconnIt is... especially adapting it to a more limited keypad (like porting to Ondio...)
01:59:20webguest04I suppose you could use some sort of config file structure.
01:59:36webguest04sort of like root menus under blackbox.
01:59:50webguest04or other X window managers
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02:01:04webguest04it'd be interesting to figure that out for a multi "mode" device, though.
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02:01:57webguest04I guess you'd just have a keyword for mode selections, and then have configs for each mode.
02:03:22webguest04there'd have to be some way to recover from badly planned configs, though
02:04:06webguest04It might make porting to new hardware cleaner, though, wouldn't it?
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02:05:37amiconnI don't think so. Everything that uses a configuration file will increase code size because all those necessary checks, and the default still needs to be built in, in case the config file is missing
02:06:23amiconn...at least for important things like menus and key config. How do you reset the settings if your config file doesn't define a menu item for that?
02:07:59webguest04all you need is a default.cfg on disk, and a "panic" keypress within X seconds of boot to cause an overwrite of user.cfg with default.cfg.
02:08:41amiconnWhat if default.cfg can't be read, because the user deleted it?
02:09:20webguest04couldn't you just rewrite it via usb?
02:09:27amiconnBtw, 946608 matches your volume control while recording request
02:10:53webguest04ah. you are correct. 946608. how often do the developers review the requests?
02:11:39amiconnYes, you always could rewrite it via usb. But (1) I'd expect many requests/ complaints by users not knowing how to correct the issue (2) You might be far away from computers, no chance to rewrite via usb...
02:12:00webguest04another point. code size and ease of porting to new hw aren't quite the same thing.
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02:13:23webguest04could the default.cfg just be a read-only file? that way deleting would be an intentional act.
02:13:39amiconnI think all developers (including me) look at the requests from time to time. What gets implemented depends on their time, and what they think is useful.
02:14:09webguest04That seems fair. Considering the current pay scale:)
02:15:34amiconnI think using .cfg files wouldn't make porting easier (but also no harder). As it is now, porting the UI means mostly changing some #defines and #ifdefs. With .cfg files it would mean changing that instead. The low level work (drivers etc.) is still the same
02:17:14webguest04I see. The current way just moves the choices to the pre-compile stage.
02:18:22amiconnyup
02:18:34webguest04One benefit of having a UI.cfg is that a user could "bury" seldom used features and make the frequently used ones easy to reach.
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02:20:42amiconnI would like to have context menus and a user definable *additional* menu, where you could put often used functions. The default menu should remain static imho
02:20:56webguest04The unix geek in me wants to play around configuring EVERYTHING. :)
02:21:56webguest04There are so many features, and so few buttons.
02:22:45webguest04some stuff I only mess with rarely, like display prefs.
02:24:32webguest04I'd almost like to see those functions be a plugin.
02:26:02webguest04would a preference setting plugin free up some space for other code? (by moving that code to disk)
02:27:44amiconnMight be difficult. When moving all preferences setting things out, it would in turn require many functions to be exported to the plugin api
02:28:02MauritsHi, I was wondering if there's a different way of running own code on the iRiver player instead of with the BDM
02:28:27MauritsI'd like to help out, but I can't afford to sacrifice my player in the process
02:28:52webguest04amiconn: you mean so that the prefs can take place immediately?
02:29:45amiconnAfaik there is no (safe) other way yet. A boot loader is currently in development, but that's all I can say (no iRiver here)
02:29:58webguest04I was thinking of things like whether the LCD is flipped upside down, inverted, etc.
02:30:37amiconnwebguest04: Many prefs setting functions need to interact with core code, like lcd flip, invert...., all sound setings ....
02:31:30webguest04interact? arent they just flags in flash somewhere?
02:32:28webguest04I was picturing that they got set, and the core code just read the flags to know what to do.
02:32:53amiconnThere is a global config table (not in flash, but in ram, written to rtc (recorders) and disk on request. However, the core code doesn't constantly check if something has changed
02:33:14amiconnYou need to call the appropriate functions for that
02:33:26webguest04or reboot.
02:33:51webguest04depending on the nature of the feature.
02:34:39amiconnReboot is needed for very few features, iirc only the playlist and dir buffer sizes. That's because rockbox does no dynamic memory management
02:35:51webguest04I like that reboot isn't often needed, but I'd be willing to reboot for seldom-changed features, if it freed up buttons for things like volume changing:)
02:37:04amiconnThe # of free buttons does have nothingh to do with the setting menu being there or not?! ;-)
02:38:10amiconnIt should be possible to make the recording volume adjustable (something like On+Up/Down in the recording screen). It just didn't get implemented yet.
02:38:36webguest04the "LCD" menu is high level.
02:39:47amiconnI rarely use the recording feature myself, and even more rarely need to listen to what I am recording from the box' output. Otherwise I might already have implemented it.
02:40:17webguest04I guess I can't argue with that. :)
02:40:51webguest04Those who code, decide. (what's the latin for that?)
02:41:41webguest04The point you're making is that usage patterns vary widely.
02:41:50amiconnyup.
02:42:00webguest04That's an argument for max. configurability.
02:42:51amiconnRockbox already has tons of options... but even then there are more wishes....
02:43:09webguest04Yes, I see that.
02:43:18webguest04The wishes are endless.
02:43:47webguest04As rockbox evolves to more capable platforms, the wishes will grow.
02:43:55amiconn...like setting the output volume from the recording screen (in fact, it shouldn't be hard), automatic level control for recording (for using it as a voice recorder)...
02:44:16webguest04speech recognition with voiceprint security feature :)
02:44:24amiconn;)
02:45:14amiconnI'm more into low level hacking. Let's see, if some other things I've planned are finished, I might try hacking the MAS...
02:45:24webguest04play all of the eagles music form 1969-72 in reverse chronological order, omitting live recordings...
02:45:33webguest04s/form/from
02:47:07webguest04MAS is the dedicated DSP?
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02:47:22amiconnyup
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02:47:53webguest04is there an url at rockbox.org for it?
02:49:06amiconnThere's only the datasheets, and Micronas doesn't give in-depth info away. There's a croatian (?) site on the web that has a mas assembler/simulator and some code examples available
02:49:49webguest04I was thinking of a capabilities summary, to reduce the stupid questions I might otherwise ask.
02:51:27amiconnI really gotta get some sleep now... almost 3 am already
02:51:41webguest04wow, where are you?
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02:52:51amiconnGermany.
02:53:03webguest04i see.
02:53:14webguest04oh, well, get some sleep.
02:53:36webguest04 I've gotta go, too.
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08:53:02amiconnGood morning
08:53:25LinusNmorn
08:54:02LinusNnice work on the button driver
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08:54:35LinusN(except for adding a space between "if" and the parenthesis) :-)
08:55:07amiconnThe majority of if's already had that...
08:55:31LinusNi don't really care, just teasing you
08:56:19amiconnCould you or someone else test on a fm recorder (the only archos platform I couldn't test myself)?
08:56:28amiconnOr v2, of course
08:56:42LinusNsure
08:57:21*dwihno is gonna build a cross compiler :)
08:57:22amiconnParticularly the firmware reload with "On" from the panic screen should work now (it couldn't have worked before)
08:57:35dwihnogcc-3.3.4 and gcc-core-3.3.4, right?
08:58:24amiconnLinusN: I hope the iriver target still builds okay. I have no coldfire cross compiler here
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08:59:52LinusNi'll try that too
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09:00:25LinusNdwihno: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler
09:00:48dwihnoLinusN: Aaah! Exactly what I needed! Thanks a bunch! :)
09:01:31amiconnLinusN: Do you know wether building the coldfire cross compiler works on cygwin?
09:02:41dwihno*compiles binutils* (using a stoneage celeron 466! yay!)
09:04:29LinusNamiconn: haven't tried, but i don't see why it shouldn't
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09:10:01*LinusN tries to figure out how to generate a panic...
09:10:18amiconnI have a tiny plugin that does that...
09:10:35amiconnIt switches on memguard, then tries to read address zero
09:10:47LinusNi'll just call panic in main()
09:13:05amiconnArgh! panic() doesn't have that... only UIE()
09:13:25LinusN:-)
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09:14:12amiconns/panic()/panicf()/
09:18:40amiconnLinusN: amiconn.dyndns.org/lawbreaker.zip">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/lawbreaker.zip
09:22:11LinusNamiconn: works
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09:23:12dwihnoThe cross-compiler page is great
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09:26:11LinusNdwihno: thx
09:33:35dwihnowuups
09:33:39dwihnoMe got error :)
09:34:12dwihnoseems like the standard libc stuff is banging out
09:34:41dwihnoHave I done anything wrong regarding newlib perhaps?
09:39:33LinusNwhich gcc version are you trying to build?
09:41:29dwihno3.3.4
09:41:43dwihnoI've symlinked the newlib into the gcc subdir of gcc-3.3.4
09:41:46LinusNand you have dl:ed newlib
09:42:07dwihnodo I need to do anything with newlib? run the configure script? compile anything?
09:42:19LinusNi see that the wiki page isn't entirely clear about the symlink
09:43:20dwihno[~/dn/gcc/gcc-3.3.4/gcc] ls -al newlib
09:43:20dwihnolrwxr-xr-x 1 dw dw 26 Dec 1 09:19 newlib -> ../../newlib-1.11.0/newlib
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09:43:34LinusNnot correct
09:43:48LinusNthe symlink should be in the gcc-3.3.4 dir
09:43:55LinusNnot gcc-3.3.4/gcc
09:44:17dwihnothe gcc dir contains source, thus "make a symlink in the gcc 3.3.X source dir"
09:44:18dwihno:)
09:44:24dwihnome fixey then
09:47:41LinusNi have updated the wiki page
09:48:07dwihnosuper!
09:48:36LinusNmorning Zagor
09:48:39LinusNhangover?
09:48:52dwihnoTime for a snack, then I'll tell you how it went.
09:50:02ZagorLinusN: no but very slow traffic
09:53:38LinusNslow brain here :-)
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10:14:30dwihnohm. seems like newlib bangs out
10:15:03dwihnoor something else
10:16:20dwihnoconfigure-target-newlib
10:17:03LinusNinteresting
10:17:12dwihnocan't find install-sh
10:17:27LinusNhmmm
10:17:47dwihnoa really long list, (linked, working in)
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10:17:54dwihnowctype.exp ..linked
10:17:54dwihnoloading cache ../config.cache
10:17:54dwihnoconfigure: error: can not find install-sh or install.sh in .. ./..
10:17:54DBUGEnqueued KICK dwihno
10:17:54dwihnogmake: *** [configure-target-newlib] Error 1
10:18:05dwihnofunny :)
10:18:09dwihnoI'll try an ugly fix
10:19:40dwihnohmm
10:19:45dwihnoI got a working compiler though
10:19:47dwihnostrange
10:22:32CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
10:22:32*Bagder charges his iRiver...
10:23:59dwihnoAww! You got one as well! :)
10:24:06dwihnoIHP-120? 140?
10:24:11Bagder140
10:24:48dwihnosweet! how is it compared to the archos+
10:25:02BagderI haven't really tried it yet
10:25:07Zagordwihno: didn't I tell you I would give them to random people on the street?
10:25:10Bagderits lighter
10:25:51dwihnoZagor: well, to be completely honest, Bagder doesn't really qualify being "random" :)
10:26:14BagderI wanna be random!
10:27:29dwihnowhaddyaknow! it compiled!
10:27:33dwihnonow I only need to build uclpack
10:27:36Zagor"we are all random"
10:30:23kurzhaarrockerslightly ot: In the back of my mind there's a rule of thumb: "Avoid including other *.h files in *.h files". Why is it a bad idea eg to make a *.h file that contains all the *.h files from the firmware/explort directory in one single firmware.h file?
10:30:55Zagorbecause it's not necessary?
10:31:34ZagorI disagree with that old rule of thumb of yours. Such a rule causes more problems than it solves.
10:32:06Zagorrecursive include problems are very rare in real life
10:32:23kurzhaarrocker... and usually can be solved by #ifdefs
10:33:43Zagoryes, all header files should always contain #ifndef/#define include protection. *that* is a good rule. :)
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10:35:26*kurzhaarrocker wonders how that rule got into his mind at all
10:35:57Bagdersome people/places have such a rule
10:35:57dwihnoWay! rombox build ok!
10:37:53dwihnoWhat is the max size of a rombox UCL?
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10:40:13LinusNdwihno: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RomBox
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10:42:22dwihnoaha!
10:43:13dwihnoWell, it'll fit anyhow.
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10:52:52dwihnookay
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10:53:34dwihnobuildzip.pl, line 59 doesn't specify mode
10:53:55dwihno(causes a bang on my ancient version)
10:54:54Bagderdwihno: add , 0777
10:56:52Bagderme fixed that now
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11:05:18dwihnoBagder: yeah, i just noticed it :)
11:05:24*dwihno knows basic perl stuffs
11:05:32dwihnoprint "Hello, Bagder\n";
11:42:39BagderVendor: TOSHIBA Model: MK4004GAH
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11:45:49Bagdermounting works
11:45:59Bagdernow syncing my music collection on the the iriver
11:46:32dwihnoNice!
11:47:28Bagderlinux friendly it is
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11:51:53LinusNbut not user friendly
11:52:02Bagderindeed not
11:52:05LinusNthe interface sucks
11:52:23LinusNand the gaps between songs...so lame!
11:52:51LinusNi understand why there is so much talk about gapless in the iriver forums
11:53:09LinusNand it can't play layer 1 files at all :-(
11:53:30amiconn_But then the mas also doesn't play layer 1
11:53:40LinusNno Starka Såsen on the iRiver :-(
11:53:41amiconn_(I once tried)
11:54:38LinusNsorry, i meant L2
11:55:53amiconn_Major iriver drawback... no playback of DAB recordings :(
11:56:37Bagderuntil Rockbox!
11:56:39Bagder:-)
11:57:34Bagderamiconn: you joining up the iriver race?
11:57:56Bagderwe'd sponsor the hw
11:59:02*Bagder runs off to feed a girl
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12:01:02amiconn_Bagder: Maybe... but surely not yet. First I want to finish all the other things...
12:01:54amiconn_...like player flashing, multi-volume for Ondio....
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12:08:45dwihnoLinusN: Starka såsen doesn't work?!?! WTF?! :[
12:09:36amiconn_Wth are you talking about ?!?
12:10:07dwihnoAn old tune about kebabs
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13:24:20ripnetUKare all you new iRiver people aware of the alleged kernel bug with USB and linux? mine seems to work perfectly (2.6 kernel), but ive heard that there is a patch needed to the kernel because the USB bridge on iRiver sometimes returns a zero length packet (or something), and the SCSI emulation layer needs to signal 'retry needed' and not 'failed' (from memory)
13:24:42ripnetUKlike i said, ive never encountered it, and ive checked the patch is NOT applied to my kernel source (mandrake)
13:25:43LinusNi haven't had any probs
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13:26:23LinusNbut i haven't used my iriver that much either
13:26:23ripnetUKhttp://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0405.0/0676.html
13:26:30ashridahripnetUK: vanilla kernels had the bug up until 2.6.9
13:26:48ashridahbut it still has issues when resetting the device after a short read, it takes about 30 seconds to reset atm
13:27:03ashridahbut if you're using 2.6.9, you should be right
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13:27:13ripnetUKits wierd, mine has never worked less than perfectly...
13:27:39ripnetUKand im on 2.6.3
13:28:00ashridahi have no idea how related it is to the usb controlller, or revision of the iriver dev ice
13:28:04ashridahdevice even
13:28:30ashridahbut the bug is actually a data corruption bug, usually only on read tho, which can still wig things out when dealing with directory nodes, mind you
13:29:27ashridahbasically, the iriver device returns a completely empty usb packet, and the kernel wasn't doing due dilligence and detecting this erronous condition, so it happily passed uninitialised data back up to the scsi layer , which hands it to the vfat driver.
13:29:37ashridahi managed to trigger it fairly easily.
13:29:49*LinusN has 2.6.9
13:29:52ripnetUKmaybe i was just lucky :) makes up for my sata problems with my chipset
13:31:25ashridahas of 2.6.8/9 or so, the kernel has the empty packet detection, the problem is that the scsi layer resets the device, which on the usb side of things takes a while (something about it not doing port resets or something, i forget exactly)
13:31:36ashridahwhich model of iriver player do you have?
13:32:49ripnetUKi have the h140
13:33:00ashridahhm. same as mine. odd
13:33:11ashridahwhich usb chipset are you using?
13:33:27ripnetUKerm... what in /proc/... do I have to cat to answer that?
13:34:12ashridahrun lspci |grep USB
13:34:25ashridahthat should suggest which usb chipset is on the machine
13:34:31ripnetUKone of each of there USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB USB (rev 02)
13:34:31ripnetUK00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB USB2 (rev 02)
13:34:53ashridahinteresting. don't know anything about the intel usb controllers.
13:37:14Zagorwhat's interesting is that we've been using this same usb controller in archos players for years, and never had a problem
13:37:36LinusNit's not *exactly* the same
13:37:46kurzhaarrockerWasn't it rebranded?
13:37:52Zagorno, but the core is very likely very very similar
13:37:53ashridahZagor: yeah, usb is fun that way ;)
13:38:03LinusNZagor: indeed
13:39:30ripnetUKoff topic question, but ive asked usenet etc. Can I force the iRiver (or other USB mass storage) to /dev/sda every time? at the moment, it uses them in order, so if i plug in my compact flash reader, then the iRiver, the reader is sda, but if i do it the other way round, the iRiver is sda
13:39:54dwihnoThe H1x0 models, do they have USB2go?
13:40:00LinusNdwihno: no
13:40:27dwihnoLinusN: Ah, so that's one of the new features of the H3xx models
13:40:29LinusNthey have the same usb chip as the archos recorder
13:40:41dwihnoProven technology \o/ :)
13:40:45ZagorripnetUK: no, you need to use udev
13:41:36Zagoror, rather: yes, by using udev :)
13:42:20Zagoronly you can't call it /dev/sda. but you can call it /dev/iriver
13:42:46dwihnoWhen getting a phone firmware upgrade, do you guys think the stored information will be cleared as well?
13:42:48Zagori should write a wiki page about that
13:42:58LinusNZagor: please do
13:43:25LinusNdwihno: there is always a risk
13:43:49dwihnoLinusN: how dull! :/
13:44:34ripnetUKzagor - thanks :) will look up udev on google... just needed to know the correct keyword to search on
13:44:42*kurzhaarrocker never saw LinusN say "no" when someone offered to write a wiki page
13:46:08LinusN:-)
13:46:15ripnetUKdwihno - yes - every time ive upgraded a phone its been reset to factory settings
13:47:28dwihnoripnetUK: that's a shame... I guess I'll have to locate my backups
13:50:34dwihnoI can copy my contacts to the SIM card
13:53:24ripnetUKyou can, but sim card contacts tend to be very simple one name one number things
13:53:45ripnetUKand often limited to 99 entries
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14:41:37leety-aravilgibt es die Taster von dem Stuerkreuz bei eletronik Conrad zu kaufen?
14:41:52Zagoreh, most of us don't speak german
14:41:53leety-aravilunter welcher Art. Nr.?
14:43:37leety-aravilsorry my eglish ist bad
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14:58:30Zagorleety-aravil: I bet it's better than my german :-)
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15:00:10kurzhaarrockerleety-aravil: no they're not available at Conrad. All the buttons Conrad sells are to big.
15:08:02leety-aravilwhere can i buy?
15:20:29leety-aravilConrad sells good tracer: 700217 - U0 + 700203 - U0
15:20:32kurzhaarrockerIf you find a source let me know :)
15:21:38kurzhaarrockerThey are to tall
15:21:48kurzhaarrockerthe archos buttons are really flat
15:24:01leety-aravilwww.conrad.de and search by Artikel. Nr. for 700217 and 700203 ;D
15:24:08kurzhaarrockerI did
15:24:39kurzhaarrockerI know those buttons, I have some of them, they're not compatible with the jukeboxes, as they are to tall. I tried them.
15:24:41leety-aravilthey are a more largely!
15:25:02leety-aravilsind sie zu hoch oder nur zu breit?
15:25:17kurzhaarrockerzu hoch, im Sinne von zu dick
15:26:20leety-aravilalso passen die dann nicht mehr unter die abdeckung?
15:28:27kurzhaarrockergenau
15:32:18leety-aravilist das viel? Sonst könnte man ja was von der Abdeckung abtragen!
15:50:31ripnetUKI installed udev :) should I have both /dev and /udev? should I uninstall devfs and change udev to use /dev?
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16:00:00Zagoryes, udev replaces devfs
16:00:43ripnetUKzag - so you have udev creating its stuff in /dev, and no devfs?
16:00:47Zagoryup
16:01:17ripnetUKhmmm... i have both :) but udev hasnt found all my devices (a dvb card for a start)...
16:01:29LinusNZagor: i can't find the wiki page :-)
16:01:35Zagor:)
16:02:45ZagorripnetUK: you can create custom udev rules to create exotic devices that are not supported by default
16:06:06Zagorhttp://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html is a collection of udev info
16:06:30ripnetUKi might just stick with both running at once... i was quite happy with devfs except i never knew which /sdX my iRiver would turn up on
16:06:40ripnetUKit seems from googleing that that is ok
16:06:58Zagoryeah, I ran /dev and /udev in parallell for a while too
16:07:39ripnetUKcool... i think there is also somethign to be said for running it how the distro provider (in my case Mandrake) intended
16:07:51Zagoryeah
16:08:01ripnetUKthanks for the input... nice to know that you ran them in parallel with (i assume) no evil side effects
16:09:57Zagornope
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20:26:50YokaloshGuys
20:27:02YokaloshWhen is the next rockbox version coming out?
20:28:22YokaloshHello
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20:34:54YokaloshGuys when is the next Rockbox version coming out?
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22:25:33Bagder1026768.45 bytes/sec
22:25:47Bagderwhen filling up my iriver
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22:45:05Bagderhey Z
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23:13:49Zagorhi
23:14:21Bagderthe iriver can't even read my playlists
23:16:36Zagorgosh
23:16:55Zagori haven't had time to play around with mine yet
23:17:18Bagderit took almost 10 hours to copy my 35GB music to it
23:17:52Bagderand now I have no playlists
23:18:04Bagderand I can't figure out how to change sound settings
23:18:06Zagorthat's usb1.1 speed...
23:18:42Bagderyeps
23:18:50BagderI wonder if that's my fault...
23:20:03Zagori'll try to remember to time my copying
23:20:37Bagderthe rsync summary says how many bytes and at what speed
23:22:05Bagderand btw
23:22:09Bagderhttp://daniel.haxx.se/currency/
23:22:10Bagdernew host
23:22:13Bagdernew feed
23:23:07Zagorah, nice
23:23:23Zagornew layout too
23:23:33Bagderyeah, and improved functionality
23:23:57Bagderit now lists all countries even though several share currencies
23:24:16Bagdersome are rather exotic
23:24:17Zagorah
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23:46:12Bagderthe WPS shows this stupid number
23:46:20Bagderwhich seems to be song number or something

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