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#rockbox log for 2004-12-07

00:00:25Bagderwe write a new firmware
00:00:37Bagderwe don't change the iriver one
00:00:58MikeWso its not a case of changing a byte which had that screen hidden?
00:01:29Bagderit could possibly be that
00:01:41Bagderbut that's not what we work with
00:01:47MikeWbut no-one knows which byte it is
00:02:12MikeWthe thing is, rockbox for iriver is miles off. iriver for iriver is here, and the feature is there, its just turned off
00:02:41Bagderyou mean the rumours have it that way
00:03:06MikeWif someone could discover the feature, perhaps they could discover how to turn it on, and even if ye won't make a version of the firmware but mentioned which byte values have to be changed, I could perhaps update the firmware myself
00:05:06MikeWhmm, does DaveHooper use IRC?
00:05:10BagderI doubt it is about toggling a byte or two
00:05:24Bagderbut I don't know
00:05:34Bagderno idea on DaveHooper
00:07:25MikeWah well, still think it would be interesting to hear what it sounds like
00:07:37MikeWman, its late. gtg
00:07:39MikeWthanks
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07:21:15Josh-FileBlah?
07:22:22Josh-FileWould it be possible to right a Chess or Checkers game for Rockbox?
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07:29:28Josh-FileThis is dead
07:29:58Josh-FileJosh-Files +o
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07:36:59LinusNJosh-File: yes, it is certainly possible to write a chess game
07:38:53Josh-FileUh, I know a little bit of C++, what language is needed to program plugins/
07:43:45LinusNC
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07:46:08Josh-FileWill I need to do any mods to my Jukebox Recorder 15 to be able to recive data for testing, I don't know much about Archos Players, Only Got Today.
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07:48:35LinusN"data for testing"?
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07:50:39Josh-FileSuch as errors, dumplogs, and other things of that nature
07:51:31LinusNwell, if you need a log, open a file and write to it
07:51:49LinusNthen use USB to read it
07:54:22Josh-FileHmm seems easy enough, now to dig up that Chess AI I programed a while ago.
07:55:05LinusNyou don't even need a jukebox to develop plugins
07:55:14LinusNyou can use the simulator
07:55:25Josh-FileWere is the simulator?
07:55:53LinusNin cvs
07:56:50Josh-FileHow much RAM is taken up by Rockbox its self?
07:57:19LinusNabout 180k
07:57:42LinusNfor the executable
07:58:10LinusNwhen you run it, you have roughly 1.6mb left for mp3 buffering
07:59:13Josh-FileYay, all thats left is to recreate the graphics, and map the buttons
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08:01:02LinusNremember, rockbox plugins have only 32kb at their disposal
08:01:28Josh-FileIs $131 good for a Archos Recorder 15?
08:01:50LinusNsounds like a good deal
08:02:01LinusNit's the USB1.1 model?
08:02:16Josh-FileNope, 2.0
08:02:28Josh-Filehttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5735247305&ssPageName=ADME:B:BN:US:1
08:04:15Josh-FileThis would be good for people who know the how to repair them http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=48682&item=5736456806&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
08:04:35LinusNgood, most rec15 jukeboxes i've come across have only USB1.1
08:05:42Josh-FileI live in New-Zealand, Waiting for him to Email me back with shipping
08:07:27Josh-FileIs the Image still viewable on the Screen in black and white?
08:09:25LinusNas opposed to?
08:10:34Josh-FileWell, if you were viewing a cartoon or a movie, is it possible to make out the characters and tell what thier doing?
08:11:04Josh-FileAnd can you output to a television?
08:11:53LinusNwell, the movie playback is viewable, but not more than that
08:12:05LinusNand no, there is no video output
08:12:55Josh-FileHow is the audio quality?
08:13:06LinusNvery good imho
08:13:17dwihnoGreetings!
08:13:23LinusNyo dwihno
08:14:39Josh-FileIs there a audio output?
08:15:12LinusNthe Ear Out works as Line Out too, and you have coaxial S/PDIF in/out
08:15:13dwihnohas the button code changes affected recorder units as well, or am I just experiencing the placebo effect?
08:15:26LinusNdwihno: eh?
08:15:36dwihnobutton code changes, perhaps a week ago or os
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08:16:00LinusNyes, but what effect are you referring to?
08:16:20dwihnofeels like the interface is more responsive :)
08:17:11Josh-FileYay with the money I save from getting a Zen Touch, I can afford some Grado SR-80 Headphones and a Headsave Classic.
08:17:39LinusNdwihno: pure imagination
08:18:09dwihnoLinusN: Guess so :)
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08:28:55adi|hotelanyone awake?
08:29:19Josh-FileI am
08:29:37Josh-FileIts only 8:30 Pm on Wendsday In New Zealand
08:33:57LinusNadi|hotel: howdy
08:37:54Josh-FileDead.............
08:39:16Josh-FileMy Cats Sleeping on my at the moment
08:40:00Josh-File2nd My=Me
08:41:07Josh-FileNow that These players are becoming rare, what are you going to do when no-one has one?
08:42:35LinusNrest?
08:42:56LinusNwell, we are porting rockbox to the iriver H-series
08:43:02Josh-FileYay
08:43:19Josh-FileSo you're not going to work on the AV300/400's?
08:43:27LinusNnope
08:43:34Josh-FileIrivers are cool
08:43:37LinusNhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPort
08:45:02LinusNbut the H1xx series is going out of production as well :-)
08:45:38Josh-FileDoes the firmware have a Private key at all?
08:46:12LinusN"the firmware"?
08:46:17LinusN"private key"?
08:47:21LinusNi'll try to decipher your question: "is the firmware encrypted?"
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08:47:33LinusNand the answer is "yes"
08:47:41LinusNmorning Zagor
08:47:49Zagormorning
08:48:02Josh-FileWhat Encryption Standerd Does it have?
08:48:14LinusNwhich firmware are you referring to?
08:48:22LinusNarchos or iriver?
08:48:25Josh-FileIriver
08:49:14Josh-FileI can Crack DES, but not 3DES
08:49:41LinusNhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverToolsGuide#A_short_description_of_the_decry
08:50:19LinusNi don't know if that algorithm is standard or not
08:51:35Josh-FileWhat Is the Encryption Standerd of Archos?
08:52:02Zagorit's not a standard, it's home-cooked
08:53:36Josh-FileAnyone here a Audiophile apart from me?
08:54:23Zagorwell, depends on the meaning of the term. several of us appreciate good sound.
08:54:56Josh-FileWell, Hmm, anyone know what Grado SR-80's are?
08:55:00Zagoryes
08:55:26Josh-FileYou know what a EMU 0404 is?
08:55:46Zagorthe sound card?
08:55:50Josh-FileYep
08:56:14Zagorsure
08:56:21Josh-FileSince you know, I'm going to presume you have a sweet setup, what do you have?
08:57:14Zagori don't, actually... :) just a basic NAD with b&w 503s.
08:58:55Josh-FileHeh, Basic Now, but hoping to get some alessandro MS1's with a Headsave Classic
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09:03:07Josh-File0_0 my chair just collapsed when I was sitting on it\
09:03:27Zagorneato. personally I only listen to headphones when I'm on the move, so I haven't listened much to the high-end "stationary use" ones.
09:08:09Josh-FileWhats a Fair Price to Pay for a Archos Jukebox Recorder 15 (USB 2.0)
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09:10:24Zagorfirst, I'd look for 20s. the 15 is a fringe model that reportedly exist in both USB 1.1 and USB 2.0 variants. the rec20 only exists in USB 2.0.
09:11:21Josh-FileI've already payed for it, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5735247305&ssPageName=ADME:B:BN:US:1 says its USB 2.0 and look at his feedback
09:12:12Zagorok. $131 seems like a good price.
09:12:43Zagor"Rockbox Software installed. (priceless) This makes your archos 500% better." :-)
09:13:36Josh-FileZagor, How long did it take to code Rockbox?
09:14:03Zagorwell, we started nov 2001.
09:15:14Josh-FileWow, you should devoloup some relationship between Smash and Rockbox, such as you type your message, then when you connect it to a PC, it sends the message
09:15:31Zagor:)
09:15:48Zagori don't know who would want to type messages on the archos...
09:17:35Josh-FileHmm, Virtual Keyboard.
09:19:36Josh-FileIs Smash possible of Spam Sending Messages
09:19:55Zagorif smash can send spam? sure.
09:20:03LinusNJosh-File: if the pictures on the ebay page are of the actual unit, it might be USB1.1 after all
09:20:40Josh-FileWhat do you estimate the maximum messages sent per minite would be?
09:20:40LinusNthe text on the jukebox says "USB Hard Disk", but my rec20 says "USB2.0 Hard Disk"
09:21:05LinusNJosh-File: it depends on the SMSC
09:21:15Zagori'd mail the seller and request assurance that the device is indeed usb 2.0
09:21:56LinusNJosh-File: but if you use smash for sending spam, i'd personally seek you up and hit you :-)
09:22:05ZagorJosh-File: smash uses dial-up sms centers, which charge per message. so I doubt many people are going to use it for spamming.
09:23:57Josh-FileSo its added onto your phonebill
09:24:02Josh-FileDamn
09:25:37Josh-FileLinis and Zagor, I notice your both from Sweden, do you know each other in real life?
09:25:44Zagoryes
09:26:52Josh-FileI'm amazed how much a simple google search of a name brings up.
09:27:10Zagor:)
09:28:51Josh-FileThe labb.contactor.se email adress, it this a public or a private email service?
09:31:04Zagorprivate
09:32:42Josh-FileI can't read swedish, how do you get one?
09:33:57Zagorwell, you set up a machine and connect it to the net.
09:34:31Josh-FileDo you know whats painful, my Jukebox Recorder 15 would arrive on the day before christmas, but since they don't deliver on that day, it'll get there 1 day after
09:35:45Zagorow :)
09:37:14Josh-FileIs there anything special you need to do after you've coded the extextion file to make it work?
09:37:46Zagori don't follow you. what are you trying to do?
09:38:47Josh-FileMake a chess game, I've got the code ready, but how do you make it work as a RockBox Extention File?
09:39:05Josh-FileCoded In C++
09:39:26Zagorhave you built rockbox?
09:39:57Josh-FileNo.
09:40:02Zagorsee here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide
09:41:42Josh-FileIm amazed no-ones made a Chess game before, its a pretty popular game.
09:42:20Zagoryeah. how are you representing the pieces?
09:44:38Josh-FileIDK, I took some source from a game that works on PC's, but it used way to much RAM to use on Archos.
09:46:15Josh-FileI really dont wanna make my on program, I'm to noobish for that, So I try to mod some other source to work on Rockbox
09:48:16Zagorbe prepared it will take lots of modifications. for starters, the display is a lot smaller on the archos than on any pc. it's even smaller than most modern phones. and the graphic routines are nothing like on a PC either.
09:49:15Josh-FileAre they simular to phones?
09:49:46Zagorno, they are home-cooked like everything else
09:50:49Josh-Fileis it possible to add a new core to the player to make it faster?
09:51:20Zagora new core? you mean like a faster cpu?
09:51:27Josh-FileYes
09:51:31Zagorno, it's not
09:54:08Josh-FileWith the Calcuator Plugin, I could take the player to School and Say that its my Calcuator.
09:54:23Zagor:)
09:54:43Josh-FileBut a reason for bringing headphones............
09:57:18Josh-FileIs it possible to view cartoons enough to understand whats going on?
09:58:22Josh-FileZagor, what time's it there?
09:58:40Zagor10:00
09:58:51Zagorand yes, you can view cartoons
09:58:54Josh-FileAM or PM?
09:59:03Zagorwe have 24-hour time here, so it's am
09:59:21Josh-FileIts 2200 here
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10:00:39Josh-FileZagor, what Archos Players do you own?
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10:02:35ZagorJukebox 6000, Recorder 20 and AV340.
10:02:47Zagorhe is our resident yoyo
10:03:09Josh-FileIs the AV340 Worth it?
10:03:59Zagordepends on what you want to do. it's got a great screen for watching movies. but I never use it, so for me it was a waste of money.
10:05:15Josh-FileIf you could get the AV320 for $200, would it be worth it?
10:06:26Zagoras I said, it depends on what you want to do. do you want to watch movies on the go? then yes, it's probably a good machine. but if you just want an mp3 player it's not a good choice.
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10:13:48Josh-FileOk, Whos really here and not just idling in this channel?
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10:15:46LinusNwe have a ~80% idle rate in this channel :-)
10:15:52dwihnoIt's a good thing!
10:16:00dwihnoIt looks better in the statistics
10:16:30Josh-Fileheh
10:17:42Josh-FileLOOK ITS A STONED MONKEY OVER THERE <−−−−−−- *Rubs away*
10:17:56Josh-FileOoops Rubs should be Runs
10:18:02Josh-File*Runs away*
10:21:11*Bagder unidles and looks around
10:22:06*Josh-File Eats Badger
10:22:44*Josh-File goes to badgerbadgerbadger.com
10:23:32*Bagder awaits Josh-File to read his nick again
10:23:48Josh-Fileuh, my nick?
10:23:56Bagdermy nick
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10:26:40*HCl frowns..
10:27:33*Bagder decides its time for coffee
10:27:43HClhmm.
10:27:46HClnot a bad idea.
10:27:51HClthough i have energydrink..
10:28:11*Josh-File Drinks Badgers Coffee and HC1's Coffe And Energydrink
10:29:08*HCl goes to class...
10:29:36*Josh-File eats HC1s class
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11:50:36bobTHChi all
11:52:13bobTHCanybody already try to install a Samsung SpinPoint M40 Series harddrive in Archos recorder???
11:53:45bobTHChttp://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/nabc/product/b2c_product_detail.jsp?eUser=&prod_id=MP0804H&selTab=Specifications
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12:12:18darkskiezbobTHC, that looks huge
12:12:49darkskiez3.94" x 2.75" x 0.37"
12:13:05darkskiezis that not a laptop hard disk
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12:17:06#>>"0.37 inches" by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se)
12:17:13#>>"convert 0.37 inches" by Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se)
12:17:21Zagoroh :)
12:17:59Zagoranyway, it will fit but will draw more power since it's spinning at 5400 rpm instead of the normal 4200 rpm
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12:46:11LinusNthose disconnects are really getting on my nerves
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13:28:45darkskiezLinusN, can you not configure your client to ignore them?
13:29:43Zagori don't want to ignore them. i want to see when people come and go. i just don't want to see a silly bot/buggy client come and go every 10 minutes.
13:30:57darkskiezNot all of them, just his :]
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13:36:54LinusNdarkskiez: we log this channel, it's annoying to have it in the logs as well
13:37:26darkskiezban it/him?
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13:42:17_c0uttadie die die
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13:44:49c0uttawas anyone kind enough to check out patch 911756 to correct a bookmarking bug ?
13:54:47Zagornot me. I'm in a bit of a "low" right now, having very little time for rockbox hacking
13:58:53c0uttait's such a major bug that i thought it would have been picked up a year ago
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14:00:01Zagorwell, you know. some of these modern bugs are multi-resistant :)
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14:01:01LinusNafaicr, you are the only one that have complained, except for the guy who wrote the patch
14:01:11LinusNso it can't be that major
14:02:17c0uttamajor to me :)
14:04:28c0uttalooks like i'll be reinstalling the dev environment again
14:04:53c0uttai'll get back to you when i've verified/updated the patch
14:05:08LinusNi'm looking at it now
14:06:40c0uttayou are a beautiful man linus
14:08:01*[IDC]Dragon looks at Linus' picture...
14:11:46c0uttai must get some sleep. i'll check the patch tracker to see how you go linus...
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14:17:36Zagorthe iriver firmware appears to only ever use two shades of gray
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14:22:25[IDC]Dragonplus black and white?
14:22:37[IDC]Dragon(that would be the 4 levels)
14:22:42LinusNyup
14:23:26[IDC]Dragonthat's as much as it can do, iirc
14:26:36LinusNyup
14:35:20Zagorno, it only uses white,gray and black. there is one more level never uses.
14:35:21Zagorused
14:36:07Zagorat least I can't see it used anywhere
14:36:24Zagorthey dither instead
14:36:25dwihnoDo I hear you say font antialiasing? :)
14:36:31Zagorno you don't :)
14:36:39bobTHC:)
14:36:41dwihnoyes I do! :)
14:36:54dwihno<Zagor> Meesa want font-aliasing-wingbang!
14:36:55dwihno:-)
14:37:23dwihnoSpeaking of which, isn't it time for the third star wars movie anytime soon?
14:38:16Zagor"Status: Post-production" −− http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0121766/
14:38:57Zagor"18 months' post-production began mid-September"
14:39:14dwihnoChewbacca \o/
14:39:32dwihno<boo>jar-jar</boo>
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14:59:02[IDC]DragonZagor: "they dither instead"? where?
14:59:23Zagorthe wps progress bar is one example
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15:00:54[IDC]Dragonperhaps they liked a pattern
15:00:55Zagorand various icons
15:01:10[IDC]Dragonhmm, strange
15:01:29Zagorwell the bar is drawn as several strips of gray, lightest on top then dithered and then black at the bottom
15:02:00[IDC]Dragondid anybody calculate if we can update the display for each scan?
15:02:14*[IDC]Dragon thinks of temporal dithering again
15:02:51Zagori haven't
15:04:03[IDC]Dragonis there something like a VSYNC?
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15:15:19midk_how many shades of gray is the iriver's display?
15:15:22midk_4?
15:15:24midk_must be 16
15:15:37Bagdernope, 4
15:16:22midk_hmm.. temporal dithering sounds like a good idea :)
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16:27:44ripnetukdid we establish that the iRiver H140 has 32megs of ram?
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18:29:48TangHi anyone know if Badger have solved his playlist isue?
18:30:53TangAbout the buffer size
18:31:13Tangi think it was notified on the iRiver FAQ
18:31:32Tangbut with the new website design would be hard to retrieve this
18:31:35Tang:(
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18:58:04Leety-Aravilhi
18:58:09Leety-Aravilspeeks anyone german?
18:58:22Bagderbuffer size?
18:58:36Leety-Aravil???
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19:23:05Tanghi Badger
19:23:32TangSomeone asked if the buffer memory was 32 or 16Mb
19:23:37Tangfor the iHP140
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20:04:45dwihnoTang: you're an iriver owner?
20:05:04Tangyes indeed
20:05:15Tangi own an iHP120
20:07:51dwihnoAre they neat?
20:09:56CassandraTheir software sucks according to the all-knowing Rockbox list.
20:10:31CassandraYou know, one day in the not too distant future developers will design their hardware to be Rockbox compatible.
20:11:31dwihnoThat would be really nice
20:11:35dwihnoReally, really nice.
20:11:52Tanghum sorry i've to see with a translato
20:12:05Tangthe meaning of "neat"
20:12:13Tangneat=cool?
20:12:34CassandraIt'll happen. Give Rockbox a year or two and it'll do everything you could possibly want from a portable media player. Why develop your own software when better stuff is out there at zero cost?
20:12:49dwihnoelegant, cool :)
20:13:23dwihnoCassandra: I'd love to see it happen, but my guts tell me, something has to happen before.
20:13:35Tangi own the champaign version of iHP120
20:13:42Tangi like his look
20:13:46CassandraWell, Rockbox has to get more portable. That's coming though.
20:13:50dwihnoCassandra: you think the giants such as iriver or creative would use such firmware?
20:13:52Tangmuch more "neat" than all pictures
20:14:15Cassandradwhi
20:14:24TangThe hardware is really cool
20:14:30Tang(optical in/out etc)
20:14:46Cassandranot a first, but who sells wireless ap routers these days that *aren't* running Linux under the cover?
20:14:47Tangjust a pity how the firmware sucks
20:15:19Tangand more than the firmware it's the firmware support from iRiver wichi is simply null
20:15:32TangThat's the big issue
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20:15:54CassandraOnce one of the smaller players starts it, the others will play catch up.
20:15:58Tang(that's why the Rockbox port is the best thing that could happen)
20:16:16Tangi've to go
20:16:18dwihnoWith rockbox running on the iriver, you think there will be a ketchup effect?
20:16:19Tangcheers
20:16:29Tanga ketchup effect?
20:16:35CassandraAlthough in that time frame large capacity MP3 players will also be heading towards commodity prcing - all the more reason not to pay for firmware if you don't have to.
20:16:38TangWas is das?
20:16:57dwihnowill hackers from around the globe bend open their zens just to help the porting effort?
20:17:14CassandraI hope so. That'd be kind of cool.
20:17:32CassandraAs they get obsolete, they'll fall into people's tinkering price range.
20:17:45CassandraSo it may happen.
20:18:28dwihnoLet's keep our fingers crossed.
20:20:43TangHum i don't think so
20:21:05Tangthe Rockbox project is alive for years
20:21:22Tangtheir firmware are releasble for many Archos stuff
20:21:44CassandraAt the moment we have the best software for an obsolete platform.
20:21:56Tangand apart Rockbox himself there has been nothing but vapourware about alt firmware project
20:22:07CassandraAs rockbox becomes easier to port, that situation will change.
20:22:23TangThe iHP isn't really obsolet
20:22:44CassandraNope, but it might be by the time the port is done.
20:22:51Tangit's simply the only deck with optical in/out
20:23:09Tangthe production is discontinued
20:23:11Cassandra(But probably not - coldfire as an embedded platform has a lot more life in it than the SH1
20:23:29Tangbut the devicespotential is still here
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20:24:50Tangwill depend on time it will take to make the port real
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20:25:21TangI've to go, regards
20:25:27TangTanguy
20:27:25dwihnoregards
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20:35:46Digital007hi
20:45:25dwihnohi!
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20:46:25quelsarukgood evening
20:49:14Digital007hi there
20:50:31Digital007everyone on misticriver.net is praying for rockbox on the iriver
20:52:10Digital007Bagder when rockbox is ported to iriver can u customise the WPS like the Archos to suit your requirements?
20:53:03dwihnoweI there will be wps
20:53:03dwihnoas well probably a separate wps on the remote as well
20:53:08dwihnowups
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20:53:56Digital007yea because im hoping to make the irivers' WPS look like the iPods with the words "Now Playing" on the top centre of the screen
20:54:08CassandraThe interface will remain the same, at least initially so yes, custom WPS will certainly be available.
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20:54:18Digital007A mate of mine has bought a Creative Labs Zen Touch
20:54:44Digital007the interface on the Zen Touch is almost identical to the iPod
20:56:24Digital007even the touchstrip makes the same clicking sound as the ipods wheel
20:59:03dwihnodamn those copycats :)
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21:01:54CassandraThank you XP tablet edition for deciding I am no longer worthy to use the input panel.
21:01:57Cassandra*sigh*
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21:24:19Digital007well white with silver backs seems popluar
21:24:21Digital007popular
21:27:13Digital007see ipod, zen touch,
21:27:33CassandraMy Archsos has a silver back.
21:27:38CassandraAll the paint came off.
21:40:21CassandraAnd therein I suspect lies the reason why silver backs are popular.
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21:49:52dwihnoCassandra: my paint has come off on the entire unit... it looks rather torn
21:49:56dwihnoStill ticking though!
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22:07:35CassandraGod knows how they survive with Archos crappy design process.
22:08:13CassandraMine is still running because I soldered the two pins that comprise Archos idea of a power connector together.
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22:16:55dwihnoI've had my unit for 2 years, 6 months and 15 days
22:17:00dwihnoIt's been rock solid
22:17:04dwihnoI've opened it up twice.
22:17:18dwihnoOnce to get rid of some dirt and polish the display
22:17:27dwihnothe second time, to put i a new disk
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22:22:40*Quel|away bowling a bit
22:37:18CassandraYou have been lucky.
22:37:36CassandraMy original Jukebox went back twice under warranty.
22:37:45CassandraThe second time Archos lost it.
22:38:15Bagdermy first was stolen
22:39:35dwihno:(
22:39:40CassandraCan't really blame Archos for that. :)
22:39:49dwihnoMy unit has been put through a lot of stress. I always ride my bike to work
22:39:57dwihnoEven during the winters
22:40:00CassandraUnless there's some sinister conspiracy I'm not in on.
22:40:06dwihnoSo I keep the unit in my chest pocket :)
22:40:12dwihnoStill rolling
22:40:13dwihno\o/
22:40:38CassandraHope you don't listen while cycling. That sounds dangerous (mostly to you)
22:44:45dwihnoThe city is great for bikers
22:45:11dwihnoI cross the streets only 4-5 timmes on my way to work
22:45:31dwihnowhich is, at the other part of the town
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22:52:55CassandraAh - that's different. I've lived in the two most bike friendly cities in England and there's no way you're getting around in them without going on the road.
22:53:13Cassandraheya amiconn
22:53:29amiconnhi
22:53:43dwihnoCassandra: The perks of northern sweden \o/
22:53:51dwihno(and of course, the penguins and polar bears)
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23:16:34Bagderpenguins and polar bears at the same place is truly an unusual sight
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23:19:32markunI'm having a little trouble building a cross compiler for m68k-elf, maybe someone here can help?
23:20:09Bagderyou follow the wiki page description?
23:20:49markunYes, I used the CVS version of binutils, compiled without a problem.
23:21:14markunWhen compiling gcc-3.4.2 I get an assambler error
23:21:37markunLike this: /var/tmp//ccnj65kR.s:29: Error: operands mismatch −− statement `fmovem.l %fpcr,%d1' ignored
23:21:54Bagderactually, my experience with building gcc is that it often is troublesome
23:22:31Bagdermarkun: and the PATH is set correctly before you tried this I assume?
23:22:50markunI also tried gcc-3.4.3, but got the same problem. It's while compiling ./libgcc2.c
23:23:15BagderI haven't built the m68k-elf myself yet
23:23:26markunYes, I used the right path. It the binutils fine during ./configure
23:23:41markun.. detected ..
23:24:08markunI'm using FreeBSD 6.0 btw..
23:24:22Bagderwe have gcc 3.4.1 m68k-elf on the web host
23:24:31Bagderso that worked for Linus
23:24:47markunyou used the binutils from cvs?
23:25:10BagderLinus did, yes, he's the one who sent in the patches needed to make things work
23:26:58markunI can try gcc-3.4.1, maybe that helps (the wiki page told me to use 3.4.2 for m68k-elf..)
23:27:47Bagderyes, I see that
23:28:13Bagderit makes me suspect that Linus got it working with 3.4.2
23:29:27markunIt also doesn't mention any patches to get m68k-elf to compile
23:29:48Bagderm68k-elf?
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23:30:37markunwell, gcc-3.4.2 for m68k-elf
23:30:56Bagderno, there shouldn't be any needed patches
23:31:31Bagderunless I've missed something
23:35:10markunDo you think it would be a good idea to add more unicode support for platforms with some more ram? (iriver H1XX)
23:36:58Bagderyes I think so
23:37:08markunI wrote a little utf-8 decoder
23:37:22markunand converted a unicode bdf font.
23:37:42markunNow I want to see if I can the tags from vorbis files with libtremor.
23:40:32markunI was realy surprized to see that the stock firmware of my iriver even displays the esperanto titles in some of my ogg files right :)
23:40:53Bagderhehe
23:41:09BagderI was surprised to see that it failed to read the id3 tags of some of my mp3s ;-)
23:41:21markunI did not try any mp3 files so far
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23:43:06markunDid you notice the bug that sometimes the HD doesn't spinn down?
23:43:21Bagderyes
23:43:36BagderI found it amusing ;-)
23:44:23markunIt's very easy to triger.
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23:47:33markunOne more question about gcc: can I just as well download gcc-core-3.4.2.tar.bz2 instead of gcc-3.4.2.tar.bz2?

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