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#rockbox log for 2004-12-30

00:00:57[IDC]Dragonor better: erase the first
00:01:18[IDC]Dragonto see if it works with only 2nd that partition
00:01:19amiconnWhat should that be good for?
00:01:36[IDC]Dragon... that 2nd ...
00:01:52[IDC]Dragonas the only volume
00:02:06amiconnAh ok. This then has to work without multi-volume support, from flashed rockbox (it should)
00:04:30amiconn2x FAT32 works...
00:05:17amiconnAh, FAT16 wouldn't work with plain flashed rockbox - no FAT16 support
00:06:41amiconnFlashing multi-mega-rockbox ;)
00:07:26amiconn..reformatting with FAT16...
00:10:22amiconnPoor old player :-/
00:11:38amiconn..same result: Write 32 before...
00:11:53amiconnTrying without 1st partition...
00:13:18amiconn..same result, but only in the main root
00:13:58amiconnThere seems to be a bug within the FAT16 start sector calculation
00:15:03[IDC]Dragonyes, seems so
00:15:30[IDC]Dragonstill I wonder, the sector is not 0 in the "normal" case either
00:15:47amiconnI know. I'll check the partition tble
00:22:02amiconnWindows obviously rearranged the partition table, the FAT16 partition is now #1. Maybe holes are not allowed
00:22:45[IDC]Dragon#1 counting from 1, I guess?
00:23:37amiconnyes. Start & size seem to be the LBA values, as expected
00:26:18[IDC]DragonFAT16 buggy if further behind on the disk, strange
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00:26:52amiconnThis could also depend on partition size. The partition is 1.85 GB
00:28:03[IDC]Dragondo you know the cluster size?
00:28:32amiconnMust be 32 KB, for the partition size
00:28:38[IDC]Dragonperhaps something wraps
00:29:22[IDC]Dragonbut sector or cluster #s are harmless
00:29:53[IDC]DragonI really have to sleep now, sorry
00:30:19amiconnGood night anyway
00:30:32amiconnMaybe I'll find something...
00:30:43[IDC]Dragonmaybe some splashes help...
00:30:53[IDC]Dragonthanks, bye
00:30:56amiconnSplasjing all around
00:31:02amiconnI could use gdb now
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01:31:12ZiRo`5crash_, can you help me out?
01:35:38ZiRo`5i need some text documents clipping in linux ^^
01:37:29ZiRo`5to 9 characters in length
01:37:31ZiRo`5per row
01:37:43ZiRo`5without clipping in the middle of a word
01:38:37midkcan't help, sorryu
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01:53:17Digital007hi midk
01:53:26midkhi mr. 007
01:53:28Digital007got a brand new 17" tft for xmas
01:54:00Digital007and there isn't a single dead pixel on it :-)
01:56:45midkcool :)
01:58:14Digital007its a Samsung Syncmaster
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02:04:22crash_ah he'se gone
02:05:46Digital007just waiting to download xp service pack 2
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11:47:32quelsarukgood morning
11:49:40[IDC]Dragonhi there
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13:14:33amiconnhi all
13:15:08amiconn[IDC]Dragon: I already searched a bit for the cause of the non-working FAT16 partition access.
13:15:49amiconnI'm almost sure it has to do with the root directory access.
13:16:35amiconnThe partition has 32 K clusters, meaning 64 sectors per cluster. The root dir has 32 sectors as usual on a hd.
13:17:12amiconnSo the root dir doesn't span a whole pseudo-cluster... wrong access is 32 sectors too early...
13:26:41[IDC]Dragonhi Jens
13:28:25[IDC]Dragonso it wasn't the position, just the size
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13:32:57amiconnIt would have hurt the first users of 2 GB MMCs, if these would still be formatted with FAT16 by the factory
13:34:52[IDC]Dragonmost likely, they will
13:36:05[IDC]Dragonso, the root dir is not cluster-aligned?
13:36:20[IDC]DragonI see a problem with my concept
13:37:16amiconnThe root dir start can't be cluster aligned in case the root dir size is not an integer multiple of the cluster size
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13:37:53amiconn[IDC]Dragon: It looks like you accounted for that, but I don't yet understand why this concept doesn't work
13:39:09[IDC]Dragonah, I do calculate a start sector in fat_open_root()
13:39:19[IDC]Dragonso it seems prepared
13:39:53amiconnYes. However, it looks like it doesn't work as intended
13:40:18[IDC]Dragonbut perhaps no rounding downwards happened
13:41:24[IDC]Dragoncan you try some splashing there?
13:43:45[IDC]Dragon"dirclusters" would be interesting, in fat_mount() and fat_open_root()
13:44:30amiconnNot right now, but in the evening
13:44:38amiconn(I hope)
13:45:05amiconnDirclusters was 1 iirc, in fat_mount()
13:46:15[IDC]Dragonthe calculated file->sectornum in fat_open_root() is interesting, too
13:47:04[IDC]Dragonthe bug looks pretty much nailed to me
13:49:29amiconnReally? I didn't understand completely how this is supposed to work. (But then I didn't try that hard, at 2 a.m.)
13:50:30[IDC]Dragonmounting rounds the clusters of the root dir up, so it becomes 1 instead of 0.5
13:51:01[IDC]Dragonsince we normally can opena file only on cluster boundaries
13:51:16[IDC]Dragon.. open a ..
13:51:20amiconnYes, that's clear. Then you must offset the sector number within the cluster on open
13:51:47[IDC]Dragonyes, fat_open_root() has that special treatment
13:52:22[IDC]Dragonmaybe I didn't understand it, and that's why it's wrong
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14:07:02amiconnThe formula looks correct to me, I'll try some splashing (or rather, I have a little function that lcd_puts_scroll(), and the waits for a button).
14:07:46amiconnPerhaps this is because you initially set lastsector to 0, instead of equal to sectornum?
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14:23:00[IDC]Dragonamiconn: yes, perhaps
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15:06:07[IDC]Dragonamiconn: it may be necessary to set "clusternum" in the file struct, too, to pretend an already half-read cluster
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15:07:20[IDC]Dragonbut I don't fully understand the file struct members
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16:29:14[IDC]DragonI'm off, cu
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21:08:28JJ-DemonHey guys, i am putting together a page on the Gmini 400's hardware. Might help you decide if you were ever to port to it.
21:08:38JJ-Demonits far from finished but i thought id tell ya
21:08:38JJ-Demon[4:30am] oxygen77 ( has joined. «6 people»
21:08:38JJ-Demon[4:31am] <oxygen77> llo evb
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21:08:43JJ-Demonarrr wrong paste
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22:54:05CtcpIgnored 2 channel CTCP requests in 39 minutes and 53 seconds at the last flood
22:54:05*[IDC]Dragon is just quickly stopping by
22:57:47[IDC]Dragonamiconn: r u there?
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