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#rockbox log for 2005-03-10

00:00:13preglowhe was just here
00:00:30stevenmAlso, in the linux 2.0 driver for gus, there is a comment somewhere that 255 = 100% for env offset
00:00:34stevenmhere?? what IRC name
00:01:32stevenmah I see
00:01:35stevenmwhere'd he go ?
00:01:53preglowoffline, probably
00:02:36stevenmany idea on when he'll be back?
00:02:39[IDC]Dragonamiconn: for the record: the out-of-card panic does no good, better return an error code. The mounting tries some wild numbers, and so those attempts will just fail.
00:03:10[IDC]Dragonbut this isn't the full solution, still got problems...
00:03:47preglowstevenm: none
00:05:23stevenmpreglow, ah, all right.. I'm gonna get going, go study for ENEE exam. Really don't want to fail that
00:06:07preglowstevenm: do so
00:06:16stevenmHopefully I be back later, and hopefully with the beginnings of a working pitchwheel implementation
00:06:26stevenmlater, people
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00:09:23[IDC]Dragon'night!
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00:13:51HClmrf
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00:15:52HClsup?
00:22:13CoCoLUSthe last 10 seconds of the latest 24 episode are just... well... great :)
00:22:14CoCoLUSthats up
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00:25:30Bagderwhich is the latest then? ;-)
00:28:59CoCoLUS12
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00:36:11HClepisode of?
00:36:42Bonkers24, heh
00:37:02HClo.o;
00:37:04HClwhats 24?
00:37:09Bagderhehe
00:37:12Bagdera TV series
00:37:21HClaha.
00:37:30CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
00:37:30*HCl slaps windows
00:37:32HClwhats it about?
00:37:33CoCoLUSyou don't know 24 ?
00:37:37HClno.
00:37:46CoCoLUSits sort of "realtime"
00:37:59CoCoLUSevery episode depicts an hour of a day
00:38:39CoCoLUSin the last episode some terrorists unleashed a biovirus in la
00:38:43CoCoLUSey, not episode, season
00:38:57HClah.
00:38:58HClok
00:39:03*HCl goes to watch bleach 22 now
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00:39:15CoCoLUSin the season before it was an atomic bomb :P
00:39:16HClcrap
00:39:20HClor i wanted to, at least.
00:39:23Bagderwe get episode 23 of season 3 tomorrow
00:39:33HClstupid wireless internet isn't fast enough...
00:39:44CoCoLUSyeah here in austria we're at season 3 too
00:39:58*preglow commences coding
00:40:02CoCoLUSbut why watch that if you can watch the english version of s4 now? :)
00:40:09*HCl mrfs.
00:40:20*HCl guesses bleach will have to wait for tomorrow, goes back to play with his cat
00:40:39CoCoLUSeek :P
00:40:55preglowis there any other versions than the english version?
00:41:53CoCoLUSwell there is the german dubbed one, for sure, i watched that
00:41:58preglowahh
00:42:00CoCoLUSi guess there are other language dubs too?
00:42:01Bagderhaha
00:42:03preglowgermans are mad for allowing good shows to be dubbed
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00:42:13preglowgermans are mad for allowing anything to be dubbed
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00:42:19CoCoLUSwell
00:42:26Bagderthe spanish, italians etc do it too
00:42:33preglowyes, i know, and they're all mad!
00:42:37CoCoLUSi think every country does it : )
00:42:40preglowespecially the spanish
00:42:49BagderCoCoLUS: nope, not the scandinavian ones
00:42:51preglowCoCoLUS: only thing we dub in norway are childrens movies
00:42:58CoCoLUSinteresting
00:43:04preglowand preferable
00:43:43CoCoLUSi guess it depends on what you are watching
00:43:54CoCoLUSif its some kind of dumb action movie, i don't care which language it is in
00:43:54preglowwell, no, i don't think so, i always prefer getting things in the original language
00:44:37preglowi'd much rather watch a german movie in german, even though i can't understand the language all that well any more
00:44:47preglows/any more//
00:44:49CoCoLUSyeah if you have the luxury of knowing the english language well enough to understand different types of slang, etc.
00:45:12preglowyes, i do, but i don't care what language it's in
00:45:17preglowas long as its subtitled, of course
00:45:21CoCoLUSnot everyone is that good with english, look at me as an example ^^
00:45:37preglowi watch chinese movies with chinese speech
00:45:41HClwoot.
00:45:46HCli come back to bleach playing on my laptop
00:45:51HClo.o
00:45:56preglowbleach is your cat? :P
00:46:03HClno. bleach is a cool anime series
00:46:04HClo..o
00:46:12preglowhaha
00:46:12HCli canceled it cause it was going to slow
00:46:14HClbut it seems to work
00:46:22HCli needed to get a break from my flatmates
00:46:26HClthey're rather shallow, really.
00:46:29HClit gets annoying o.o
00:46:35CoCoLUSi tried watching crouching tiger hidden dragon with chinese-mandarin speech
00:46:46CoCoLUSand that was rather... hard to follow :P
00:46:48preglowchinese sounds really cool
00:46:59preglowhaha
00:47:01preglowsubtitles does it
00:47:05HCli don't like chinese.. i prefer japanese..
00:47:11preglowjapanese is cool as well
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00:47:15preglowbut chinese has a nice sound to it
00:47:16HClchinese has these harsh sounds
00:47:25HClwhere japanese always sounds fluent
00:47:29preglownah, some dialects flow really nicely
00:47:46CoCoLUSi somehow don't like subtitles
00:48:04CoCoLUSif its a good movie, i want to sink in it, feel it... thats not possible with subtitles, for me
00:48:13preglowif you're not used to it, no wonder
00:48:16HCluh, ok o.o
00:48:20preglowdon't have much of a choice in norway
00:48:29CoCoLUScome to austria :)
00:48:38preglowhaha, i don't want dubbing
00:48:47CoCoLUSi think the last movie that didn't get some dubbing was "garden state"
00:48:47preglowif i have to watch a subbed movie, i'm really annoyed
00:48:50CoCoLUSwhich is a shame, really
00:48:51preglowit destroys the experience
00:48:57CoCoLUSsubbed or dubbed?
00:49:00preglowdubbed
00:49:03CoCoLUSthought so
00:49:04preglowsubs are nice
00:49:14HClyea.
00:49:22HClreminds me of germany...
00:49:27HCldub freaks there x.x
00:49:35HClthey even dub james bond movies
00:49:42HClsounds absolutely horrid
00:49:50preglowdeed
00:51:07CoCoLUSit makes for some funny scenes, though, like the one in tomorrow never dies where bond takes the car from the airport
00:51:27HCli wouldn't know, i never watch dubbed james bond
00:51:29CoCoLUShe speaks german there, in the english version too - in the dubbed version, it got replaced
00:51:40CoCoLUSwith "correct" german
00:51:46HClofcourse, they have to match the voice
00:52:22CoCoLUSbrosnan trying to speak german sounded nice ;)
00:52:29HClheh
00:55:46CoCoLUSyou know
00:55:50CoCoLUSi really, really hate those moments
00:56:15CoCoLUSwhere someone else places a higher bid than you at some ebay auction :)
00:56:19HClheh
00:56:24Bagdersleeeep
00:56:29CoCoLUSsounds nice
00:56:30HClcoffeeee
00:56:30HClcode
00:56:31HClo.o
00:56:53CoCoLUSmh... mando diao :)
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01:05:15*preglow rolls up sleeves and gets frisky with asm
01:06:15HClgee.
01:06:30*HCl dislikes anime side-eps where they don't really continue with the story...
01:06:37HClany progress on rockbox?
01:07:50*preglow dislikes anime generally
01:08:47preglowapart from cowboy bebop, which is the best thing since sliced bread
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01:10:23HCli didn't like cowboy bebop much o.o
01:10:38HClyou've probably seen the wrong sort of anime
01:10:58preglownah, i've seen quite a lot of it
01:11:14preglowthere's much that's ok, very few things that are great
01:11:18HClwell, the "popular" anime tends to be sort of crappy anyways...
01:11:19preglowand much rubbish as well
01:11:39pregloweverybody kept yelling about evangelion, which i think is complete shit
01:11:58HCli don't really see whats special about evangelion..
01:12:02HClhave you seen noir?
01:12:05preglowyeah
01:12:09HCland? o.o
01:12:11preglowgot a bit tedious, i think
01:12:15HCltedious?
01:12:19preglownot much variation
01:12:22preglowi didn't see everything
01:12:32HClheh o.o;
01:12:38preglownot the worst i've seen, though
01:12:41HClwell, nothing can be as bad as inuyasha
01:12:42preglowit falls in the ok category
01:13:11preglowthere we agree
01:13:25preglowbut no, heads on best anime series i've seen is bebop
01:13:37preglowespecially since it's got incredible music
01:13:42HCllol. o.o.
01:13:58HClvandread is my favorite
01:14:03preglownever saw it
01:14:11HClthough mostly the first 13 eps
01:14:17HClthe second 13 get more crappy..
01:14:35preglowdoes it have giant robots in it?
01:14:35HClah well
01:14:40HClum.
01:14:41preglow'cause i really hate giant robots...
01:14:41preglowheh
01:14:49HClsomewhat :P
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01:15:08preglowbut here i go on chatting again, i need to code
01:15:08HClits like, part 3d rendered and part animation
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01:15:12HClits mostly spaceship stuff.
01:15:13HClkay.
01:15:14preglowahh
01:15:19HClanyways, it looks really good.
01:15:20preglowi'm seeing a series that's like that rgiht now
01:15:21preglowlast exile
01:15:45preglowokish as well
01:15:57*HCl has a whole to-watch list..
01:16:00HClanyways.. get to code..
01:16:08HCli'll try to find my cat again
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01:19:58asdsdhey guys i have a simple question
01:20:14preglowshoot
01:20:22asdsdoh hey preglow hows it going
01:20:26asdsdi know u know ur stuff
01:20:29asdsdanyhow
01:20:39preglowhaha, that remains to be seen
01:20:46asdsdare u guys gonna start working on the h3xx before the h1xx is 100 percent finished?
01:21:18preglowit's not very easy to say when something is completely finished when you haven't got a goal set
01:21:30preglowbut it depends anyway
01:21:39preglowit might
01:22:05preglowdepends on who and how many shows interest in doing some dirty work
01:22:34asdsdah i see
01:22:40asdsdbut what i mean is like
01:22:47asdsdwere u guys ever working on two players at the same time?
01:22:55asdsdback in the days of the archos and stuff
01:23:11preglowdunno, i wasn't around then, but yes
01:23:20preglowmost of rockbox itself doesn't depend on a particular player
01:23:28preglowjust the low level stuff does that
01:23:38asdsdah ok, so its very modular
01:23:50preglowand in the case of h3x0, i guess what needs porting is the lcd driver and some minor other stuff
01:24:25asdsdah ok
01:24:38preglowso with any luck, it'll not be a big job
01:25:09asdsdi also remember, i don't know if it was u or not, but a guy here sent me the iriver_140 ida file
01:25:40asdsdis there like a Work-In-Progress one for h3xx? or if it needs to be done it has to be from scratch
01:25:54preglownone that i know of
01:26:09HClas far as i know, no one has put much effort in h3xx aside from scanning the pcb
01:26:16preglowi can't even remember having seen a preliminary map of the h3x0 firmware
01:26:47asdsdscanning the pcb?
01:26:55asdsdu mean like identifying the parts?
01:27:32HClyea
01:27:41HClopening it up and scanning it under a scanner.
01:27:58asdsdlol oh hahaha
01:28:11asdsdhey HCl i think it was u that sent me that file
01:28:15HClnope.
01:28:29HClwasn't it badger?
01:29:25asdsdname doesn't ring a bell
01:29:35HClmk
01:29:42HCli mean, bagder
01:29:44midkthat's me.
01:31:21asdsdhmm well s'not important
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01:34:36asdsdso what part of the h1xx are u guys currently working in?
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01:37:15pikeso I noticed there was some progress - COOL
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01:39:00Rickasdsd: codecs methinks
01:39:27asdsdso adding support for all the codecs on the h1xx eh?
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01:42:55*HCl wants to take a look at mod playback..
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02:12:23*DeadMan sighs
02:12:30HCl?
02:12:42DeadManaudio playback seems a long way off
02:12:55HClwe're not really in a hurry
02:13:46DeadMancan't answer that without sounding selfish :)
02:13:49DeadManheh
02:14:33*DeadMan 14»»12 12np 14·7 Jóhann Jóhannsson - Englabörn (2002) 02 Englabörn - 14·7 00:08/01:34 [15¦5¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦7] 14·7 15133 kbps 15(vbr) 14««
02:15:55*HCl listens to Serial Experiments Lain - Duvet
02:17:11*DeadMan sits on #animereactor
02:17:11zeheh
02:17:22DeadMannick MO-Pantsu
02:17:27DeadMan;)
02:17:46DeadManI have too much anime to watch
02:17:48*preglow The Orb - Valley
02:18:26DeadManOrbus Terranum or somesuch
02:18:30preglowindeed
02:18:30DeadManlol
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02:18:51*DeadMan has his head in a lot of buckets
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02:19:03DeadManToo much time spent on the net does that
02:19:09preglowhaha
02:19:16preglowi just plain listen to music all the time
02:19:38DeadManI have a 300GB HD setup just for music
02:20:09DeadMan14Hard Disks: 04(14Total15/14Free: 308.2815/173.86GB 15¤ 14Total15/14Free space on: 14C: 74.5315/20.63GB 15¤ 14D: 231.7415/153.22GB 15¤ 14J: 2.0115/0.01GB04)
02:20:09***Alert Mode level 1
02:20:09DeadMan14Network Drives: 04(14Total15/14Free: 843.7515/159.4GB 15¤ 14Total15/14Free space on: 14T: 74.5315/21.38GB 15¤ 14U: 279.4715/75GB 15¤ 14V: 189.9215/15GB 15¤ 14W: 76.3215/40.71GB 15¤ 14Y: 111.7615/2.7GB 15¤ 14Z: 111.7615/4.61GB04)
02:20:47*HCl is glad his music collection fits on his h140 with 23gb to spare
02:20:48DeadManU drive never shows 300GB though. Always feel cheated with hard disk space :)
02:21:12HClmanufacturers always do that.
02:21:19DeadManI filled my H140 easy
02:21:25preglowhaha
02:21:26HClsay that their definition of a gb is 1000*1000*1000
02:21:34preglowi've haven't got 300 gigs, but i've got quite a lot
02:21:38HClrather than 1024*1024*1024
02:21:59HClmy biggest drive is 250gb, which is in my xbox
02:22:05DeadManI have over 1TB of hard disks. It's getting out of hand.
02:22:29HClget a dvd burner
02:22:31DeadMana lot of anime on those drives too
02:22:37DeadManI have one
02:22:43HClthen use it darnit!
02:22:43*preglow The Orb - A Huge Evergrowing Pulsating Brain That Rules From The Centre Of The Ultraword (Orbital Dance Mix)
02:22:43HCl :P
02:22:48preglowi think i'll go to bed
02:22:58HClnoo.
02:23:04HClCome to the darkside
02:23:06DeadManI do but I leave anime series on there because I a intend to watch them eventually lol
02:23:07preglowhaha
02:23:08HClWe have cookies
02:23:09HClo.o
02:23:13preglowi'm too tired to code properly
02:23:17preglowi just end up staring at the screen
02:23:23HClxD
02:23:24HClok ok
02:23:26HClto bed with you.
02:23:27HClnight
02:23:41preglowgood night to you all
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02:23:56DeadManthis album is kinda relaxing. strings and electronica
02:24:15*HCl finds listening to duvet repeatedly soothing
02:24:25DeadManLain is a head fuck
02:24:47HClyou mean the series?
02:24:50HCli like it...
02:24:50DeadManyes
02:24:57HCli have a big lain wallscroll in my room
02:25:00HClits uber pretty
02:25:03DeadManKnights of the Eastern Templar :)
02:25:14HClhttp://titania.student.utwente.nl/IM000091.JPG
02:25:21DeadManA mind grid operating on the earths frequency etc etc
02:25:37DeadManlots of mad concepts in it
02:25:50*HCl shrugs.
02:26:17*DeadMan looks at his anime figures atop the TV set
02:26:37DeadManI got the cute Asuka and Rei cat and monkey girl figures
02:27:10DeadManNemu-Chan in bikini from Da Capo is cute too. Plus my Popotan gashapon figures
02:27:30HCllol o.o
02:27:36HClyou sound like an otaku.. hm..?
02:27:40DeadMansorta
02:27:45HClah well.
02:27:51HCli'm not entirely free of blame either
02:28:02DeadManPopotan is a fanservice anime. Lots of boob and panty shots etc
02:28:06HClowning a shelf in my cabinet dedicated to manga drawing books, manga.. and sake..
02:28:25HCli don't really like the perverted stuff.
02:28:26DeadManI have no manga whatsoever :(
02:28:30HClits shallow..
02:28:32DeadManonly scanned stuff
02:28:43HCli used to have none
02:28:46DeadManLike Love Hina dn Chobits etc
02:28:47HClthen i went to an anime con
02:28:52HCland i spent 130 euro on manga
02:28:55HCland then i was broke
02:28:57HCl*nodsnods*
02:28:58DeadManlol
02:29:28DeadManI really need to catchup on some manga series. I want to read Full Metal Alchemist as I hear it took a different direction from the anime
02:30:07HCli wanted vandread manga, but apparently, it doesn't exist..
02:30:10***Alert Mode OFF
02:30:33DeadManThe anime rocked up until about half way through when they splintered off from the anime as the anime had not written that far into the story by then
02:30:52DeadManI mean the manga rather
02:30:57DeadManhad not...oh you know what I mean
02:31:24DeadManbasically the manga is meant to be better
02:31:32HClmm
02:31:42HClthey're almost always more detailed story wise
02:31:44HClanyways.
02:31:47HClits 2:30 am
02:31:50HCland i should go sleep
02:31:55HClnight..
02:31:59DeadMannn
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06:17:56Rickhmm
06:18:17Rickmy donation is still unaccepted
06:18:19Rick:o
06:19:35Rickhmmmm
06:19:44Rickhow are the feature requests sorted?
06:19:48Rickon the rockbox page
06:19:51Rick(not sourceforge)
06:20:15Rickhmm, priority, then id, I think
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07:47:49Acochey guys, quick request- Could you make the makedb executable not to look in the recycling bin when making it's database
07:49:40amiconnmorning LinusN and all
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07:59:00Acocwell I'm hitting the hay, but please understand that I am very impressed with the work on the id3 database and hope you will take my suggestion into consideration
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07:59:24LinusNAcoc: what's the recycling bin called?
07:59:25LinusNjflksgf
07:59:56LinusN"RECYCLER"?
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08:05:08amiconnLinusN: Yes, it's 'RECYCLER'
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08:05:40LinusNfunny, an article on the web said it was "RECYCLED"...
08:06:01amiconnMaybe it differs between windows versions
08:06:10LinusNlet's just hope that there isn't a band called Recycled
08:06:27Patr3ckThere is another "windows" system directory called "System Volume Information", but I think there are no audio files stored there
08:06:29amiconnFor WinXP, it would also be a good idea to leave out 'System Volume Information' as well (in case someone doesn't disable system file protection on this drive)
08:06:52amiconnThe easiest solution would probably be to leave out 'hidden' directories
08:06:57LinusNthose dirs have a special "system" flag, don't they?
08:08:10Patr3cknot sure it only shows hidden under attributes
08:08:22Patr3ckwindows explorer shows...
08:08:26cskWindows XP likes to create "System Volume Information" shortly after you write to the disk
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08:08:50cskeven when system restore is turned off, I get SVI directories after deleting files...
08:09:00amiconncsk: You can disable system file protection for that drive, then it's not created
08:09:28amiconnLinusN: Both 'RECYCLER' and 'System Volume Information' have the 'hidden' and the 'system' flag set
08:11:46cskamiconn: i'll see check that it really is disabled, though i keep system restore disabled on all drives as a matter of policy
08:12:01csksacrificial machine, restore doesn't win me anything
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08:57:29Bagdermorning
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09:17:18LinusNBagder: using "gcc" in makesrc.inc breaks on freebsd
09:17:38Bagderhaha
09:17:58LinusN$(CC) should be possible now, right?
09:18:00Bagderwell, with my new win32 compiler, we can switch back to $(CC)
09:18:03Bagderyes
09:18:05LinusNgreat
09:18:32LinusNis the sim executable with the new cross-win32 compiler?
09:18:40BagderI don't know
09:18:56BagderI can't test ;-)
09:20:07Bagderthe list of bug reports is now refreshingly short!
09:20:09BagderB-]
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09:21:37amiconnBagder: Is the win32 sim build downloadable somewhere?
09:21:51Bagderhang on
09:23:36Bagderhttp://www.rockbox.org/auto/build-recordersimwin32/rockboxui
09:24:00BagderI don't know why, but there's no rockbox.zip in there...
09:24:21dwihnoHow hard is it to build a win32-cross compiler?
09:24:50Bagderdwihno: I found pre-built Debian packages... ;-)
09:25:03LinusNthank god for that :-)
09:25:08Bagdertook me 10 seconds to install
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09:28:55dwihnoIf I don't know how to catch my own fish, I'll starve to death the day the fishermen go on strike :(
09:29:05dwihno^ weird analogy ;)
09:29:21Bagderhehe
09:30:09Bagderhttp://dev.panopticsearch.com/cross-compile.html
09:31:13Bagderdwihno: you could consider buying a book about fishing and keep that in a secret stash until they very day they start striking - to continue the metaphores
09:32:28dwihno:)
09:35:11LinusNhow did that discussion start? :-)
09:35:55BagderI think dwihno longs for fish? ;-P
09:36:10LinusNcommon swedish problem
09:36:26LinusNfish craving
09:36:37*Bagder giggles
09:37:22dwihnoI had fiskbullar yesterday :)
09:38:42*Bagder looks at .gnu.linkonce.this_module and scratches his head
09:41:20Bagderhm new stuff in 2.6 it is
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10:04:54[Tomas]hi
10:07:46LinusNhi
10:12:11Rickhi
10:12:11Rick;P
10:12:17[Tomas]:)
10:12:26[Tomas]intresting news in the last few days?
10:12:40*[Tomas] was a little to busy... working...
10:13:05Ricknot really
10:14:08*LinusN has too little time for rockbox these days
10:14:14RickLinusN: howcome?
10:14:31LinusNwork, Real Life(tm)
10:14:36Ricktru
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11:48:44tomcorehi
11:50:50tomcorecan someone build me this new firmware for iriver h1xx so i can use it? i have no machine here where i can compile it on my own
11:52:22ashridahit's not really much use unless you're developing atm
11:52:42ashridahit can't play music yet, and many of the features haven't been completely modified to work on the iriver
11:53:14tomcorehmm iknow .. i just wanted to try out if it really works ;)
11:54:32ashridahwell, that's my point. it doesn't. that said, if you can get someone to provide you a safe, known working, ihp_120.hex, there should be nightly builds of rockbox for the iriver on the rockbox.org site
11:56:25tomcoreah okay understood ... so when you think would it be releaseable ?
11:56:36ashridahhard to say
11:56:45ashridahprogress depends entirely on how much free time people have
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11:59:46tomcoreyes, your right.. so if i can help in any case, please let me know ;) im a developer, but only web and windows languages
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12:00:41ashridah"windows" languages?
12:00:59ashridahyou can get a build environment that'll let you build rockbox on windows you know
12:01:01tomcorevb ;)
12:01:21tomcorehow?
12:01:23tomcorewhere? :)
12:01:26ashridahcygwin.
12:01:43tomcoreah, thanks
12:01:51ashridahinstall a cygwin environment and include gcc with it. then download the cvs source to binutils and a very recent gcc source, and compile it.
12:01:56ashridahit's not exactly non-trival
12:02:05ashridahs/non-trivial/trivial/
12:02:16ashridahi really should avoid double negatives :)
12:02:29jyp... not exactly not non-trival
12:02:30jyp;)
12:02:38tomcorebut when you say it has no sense yes .. i will maybe wait ;)
12:02:45ashridahif you don't have a good handle on unix-based development, cygwin won't seem obvious to use
12:02:46tomcoreheeh
12:02:55tomcoreyes?yet
12:03:46tomcorehmm i am a little unix expirenced, but not very much
12:03:56tomcorei'll give it a try
12:04:47ashridahokay, well, basically, cygwin lets you download a unix-alike shell environment for windows machines. you can get all sorts of unix utilities to go with it, including gcc, wjhich you can use to build a version of gcc and binutils that supports compilation for the m68k target that can be used to build rockbox
12:07:33tomcoreokay .. ill try that later ;)
12:18:20Lynx_ashridah: isn't all that the stuff you don't have to do when you use bluechips prebuilt dev enviroment?
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12:31:42*[Tomas] is back
12:32:36[Tomas]I have a little question regarding iRiver hardware...
12:32:42[Tomas]Maybe somebody knows...
12:32:58[Tomas]Is it possible to use the cpu for some sound effects after decoding?
12:33:45[Tomas]So when a codec is fast enough to get 200%, is it possible to use the left over cpu power to do some extra sound effects? (like a compressor (the audio one, not data compression))
12:34:13dwihnodepending on how cpu intensive it is, adding filters is possible
12:34:19dwihno(will be)
12:34:31dwihnounless the core team decides it's not a needed feature
12:34:32[Tomas]ok... and how should I implement it?
12:34:46[Tomas]like DSP plugins for winamp?
12:34:54[Tomas]or is there an other interface?
12:35:18dwihnothere is no interface yet
12:35:30[Tomas]oh ok
12:35:46dwihnoI suggest you wait for the audio support, code something, show it, and then you'll see :)
12:36:25ashridahLynx_: i have no idea
12:36:51ashridahdwihno: i'd assume memory bandwidth could be an issue too
12:37:16dwihnoashridah: ah, true
12:37:21[Tomas]hm..
12:37:39dwihnoashridah: in theory, everything is possible until the opposite is proven :)
12:37:48[Tomas]And there were some things to watch when porting to m68k?
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12:37:57[Tomas]I heard you can't use floats?
12:38:04dwihnoyay, this was a GOOD chicken sallad
12:38:09[Tomas]and only C is allowed for rockbox? No c++?
12:38:11dwihnothe units don't have a CPU
12:38:19dwihnono c++
12:38:23dwihnoFPU, I mean
12:38:27[Tomas]lol
12:38:31dwihnoNo CPU ;)
12:38:44[Tomas]I was looking at my screen... In a way of *what the hell??*
12:39:00[Tomas]so no floats allowed... only int and double?
12:39:08[Tomas]or double is wrong too?
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12:40:16ashridah[Tomas]: double's a longer float
12:40:32[Tomas]yeah, but the , isn't floating on some unix types?
12:40:34ashridahwell. 'more precise' depending
12:40:57ashridahthe what isn't floating on some unix types?
12:41:06[Tomas]eh in english .
12:41:10[Tomas]in european system ,
12:41:39ashridahi'm not sure i understand what you're trying to ask
12:42:34[Tomas]well... afaik there was a type wich can hold numbers like 4,25 (like 4 1/4) and did that by having a fixed split point? so 4 bits before and 4 bits after the ,
12:42:47[Tomas]can iRiver do that too?
12:43:26ashridahof course.
12:43:49ashridahbut those kinds of things aren't driven by features of the cpu, beyond the normal instruction set
12:44:15[Tomas]ok, so I can convert floats to that? (If someone can tell me what the type was called)
12:44:27ashridahnot perfectly no
12:44:33ashridahsince floats are much more precise
12:44:48dwihnowhatever floats your boat? :)
12:44:57ashridahit's not a type, per se
12:45:14ashridahit's just a method for dealing with floating point numbers in a developer-defined way
12:45:31ashridahbut storing the actual data in standard int data types
12:45:43ashridahafaik it's not built into the c language
12:45:56[Tomas]ok, then it was implemented in a header or something of the program we used there...
12:45:58ashridahwhich is where it'd be defined, not as a part of unix, which doesn't CARE what language it uses, more or less
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12:47:15ashridahthat's entirely possible
12:47:31ashridahto make it easy to deal with, you'd probably develop macros to do it in a predefine and relatively fast way
12:47:47ashridahand functions and whatnot
12:47:48[Tomas]yeah, I thinks that's what they used there
12:47:58[Tomas]-s
12:47:59ashridahokay, that's not a unix thing
12:48:35[Tomas]so do something like this: int a = 3 / 4; int b = 3 % 4
12:48:41[Tomas]and i would have a number a,b
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12:49:44ashridahthat's just the modulus operator
12:49:53ashridahthat gives you the remainder
12:50:23[Tomas]yeah, that's what I want isn't it?
12:50:35[Tomas]oh wait...
12:50:49[Tomas]int a = 3 / 4; int b = 1000 * (3 % 4)
12:50:54[Tomas]a would be 0
12:50:57[Tomas]and b = 750
12:51:12[Tomas]a,b = 0,750 and that's what i wanted...
12:51:55[Tomas]and for more precision you should rais the 1000 to 1000000 or something..
12:52:02[Tomas]*raise
12:54:10ashridahthat's one method, sure.
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13:46:33ashridahyeah
13:50:30[Tomas]another question... haven't tried it... Is it possible to use a plugin (like a game) while playing (mp3) audio?
13:51:03[Tomas]Or if it isn't on archos, will it possibly be possible on iRiver?
13:51:20Bagderit is possible, yes
13:51:30Bagderit is the normal behavior
13:52:10[Tomas]Cool, so play something like rockboy and listen to music the same time?
13:52:39LinusNrockboy might be the exception
13:53:03[Tomas]yeah, I guess it's kind of cpu intensive?
13:53:07LinusNyeah
13:53:23LinusNbesides, rockbox will emulate the gameboy sound as well
13:53:35[Tomas]oh... I hate the gameboy music...
13:53:41LinusN:-)
13:54:23[Tomas]But how optimized is rockboy?
13:57:53ashridahnot enough yet
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13:58:58ashridahand it's unlikely to progress to the point where it can work sufficiently quickly and not use too much memory that decoding other audio streams won't be affected
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14:51:25IDCDragonhi out there
14:51:45preglowyo
14:51:59IDCDragonamiconn: do you read?
14:52:47IDCDragonI'm "reporting" live from CeBIT
14:53:05Schnueff_at a rockbox booth? :)
14:53:11IDCDragonhaha
14:53:38IDCDragonbut I went around with 5 guys from Archos
14:53:56Bagder:-)
14:54:05IDCDragonto the Micronas booth, for example
14:54:26IDCDragongetting things moving for the wav codec
14:54:37IDCDragonlooks pretty good now
14:54:42Bagderway to go!
14:55:12IDCDragonI'm at a public terminal now
14:56:31IDCDragonmaybe I'll check by later
14:56:47IDCDragoncu
14:57:05IDCDragonah, one more:
14:57:17IDCDragonI've been at iriver, too
14:57:38Bagderlearned anything cool?
14:57:41IDCDragonthey're not showing the iHP1x0 any more
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14:57:46Bagderhehe
14:57:58IDCDragononly the 3x0 is still in the flyer
14:58:13IDCDragonand on display
14:58:41IDCDragonbesides that, plenty of player devices everywhere
14:58:55BagderI figure
14:58:58IDCDragonfrom perhaps 100 far east companies
14:58:59Bagderthere are many brands these days
14:59:10IDCDragonmany with video, too
14:59:40IDCDragonI was close to ask around for "openess"
14:59:56IDCDragonbut the sales guys most likely have no clue
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15:00:07Bagderso you didn't see any that advertised openness?
15:00:29IDCDragondid anybody ever?
15:00:33preglowwell, they're not very likely to show discontinued devices
15:00:34Bagderonly neuros
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15:00:46IDCDragonthe bigger iriver runs linux
15:00:51preglowpmp?
15:01:03IDCDragonsomething like that
15:01:07preglowthe one that shows xvids and stuff?
15:01:09IDCDragonbut it's big
15:01:39IDCDragonit's not open to own applications
15:01:46preglownot surprised
15:01:56IDCDragonthe Archos 500 does, and looks a lot better
15:02:32IDCDragonI guess neuros is not here
15:03:48pikeany Swedes around ?
15:03:53Bagderpike: yes
15:03:57pikehttp://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/it/story/0,2789,615494,00.html
15:04:04pikehttp://isp.bahnhof.se/nyheter/Bahnhof_pressmeddelande.pdf
15:04:09pikeomfg.. gestapo
15:04:23Bagderindeed
15:04:24IDCDragonnot me ;-)
15:04:36IDCDragonc u later
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16:15:10HClgah.
16:15:13HClanyone around?
16:15:23webguest93yes
16:15:30HCli'm in need of a linux 2.6 kernel with builtin xfs support for either generic x86 or amd
16:15:46webguest93:|
16:16:33BagderHCl: so build one, it is fairly easy
16:16:50HClBagder: i'm on windows.
16:16:53HClthats the whole point.
16:16:59HCli can't access my linux system.
16:17:01Bagderouch
16:17:05dwihnoI'm on caffeine - seems like you're hooked on the bad stuff ;)
16:17:13HCli need to use colinux to access it
16:17:20HClbut colinux doesn't support xfs by default -.-;;
16:17:41webguest93Sp, what do you people do ?
16:17:50webguest93DO you build the firmware ?
16:18:21Bagderyes we do
16:18:33webguest93Lovely Jubly
16:18:57webguest93Hows the sound coming along on the Iriver ?
16:19:08Bagderslow
16:19:33webguest93Brew it slowly like grolsh, no need for a rush
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16:22:16webguest93Ok im off
16:22:25webguest93Keep doin what your doin, i like it
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16:31:44*HCl suddenly realizes he has a linux server.
16:31:49HCli'm not quite awake.. yet.. obviously.
16:32:15Terminal-Velocithttp://www.plsthx.com/disp.php?type=p&id=108 a coder's dream...
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16:33:25preglowdon't do that, makes me want to brew my own again
16:34:24HClheh
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16:38:39Terminal-Velocitwhen you quited i thought you were going to brew your own beer:P
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16:40:35preglowhaha
16:40:46preglowi probably would try, if i had the space for it
16:41:16preglowi'm a certified beer fanatic
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16:43:11bobTHCpreglow if u are a beer fna u know that http://www.virtualbartender.beer.com/beer_usa.htm
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16:43:20bobTHCouch
16:44:54preglowhaven't got flash in linux, it seems
16:44:55preglowargh
16:46:19bobTHC:(
16:47:06bobTHCreally funny, u give orders to a virtual beer barmaid
16:48:02preglowworking on it now
16:48:30bobTHC:p
16:53:12preglowbah, of course, macromedia hasn't ported it to amd64 yet
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16:54:01HClgod.
16:54:07HCllinux can be so utterly crappy to set up right
16:54:29Tomas2ghehe
16:54:38HCli give up.
16:54:39Tomas2That's a user error... not a system error :P
16:54:42preglowon what?
16:54:46Tomas2Need help?
16:54:53HClpreglow: trying to get colinux to access my xfs linux filesystem
16:55:00HClin order to recompile the kernel and re-run lilo
16:55:22HClbecause turning on the riva framebuffer made it not accept any keyboard input anymore
16:55:29preglowahah
16:55:29HCland now i can't access it
16:55:38Terminal-Velocitlilo? this is 2005
16:55:43HClyes, grub is shit.
16:55:51HCli haven't had it work properly once :/
16:55:55Tomas2Terminal-Velocit: you should use lilo just once :P
16:55:56HClwhere lilo *always* works fine
16:55:58Tomas2never reboot linux...
16:56:34dwihnoalways keep a backup kernel in your lilo.conf
16:56:39Tomas2HCl: what distro is on the xfs filesystem?
16:56:40Terminal-Velocitmayve there is parameter to turn FB off so you can boot?
16:56:49HCldwihno: yea, i used to do that. i was lazy this time.
16:56:58Terminal-Velocits/parameter/a parameter/
16:56:59HCli didn't think enabling framebuffer console would render it useless
16:57:07HCllet alone think that its impossible to turn it off
16:57:13HClTerminal-Velocit: nope.
16:57:17Terminal-Velocitwell yeah it does if you use any driver except the VESA one:P
16:57:19HClTomas2: debian/ubuntu mix
16:57:33Tomas2still have the installation floppy's/cd's >
16:57:44dwihnobtw, rockboy was really nice on my recorder-20!
16:57:45Tomas2you can boot from them...
16:57:58Tomas2and get into rescue mode
16:58:22Tomas2then just install a standard kernel from a deb file
16:58:30Tomas2and run lilo..
16:58:47Tomas2and from that one rebuild your original without the framebuffer enabled..
16:59:29HCli don't have an install cd at the moment.
16:59:32HClthats why i was trying colinux
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17:02:29Tomas2http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/
17:02:46Tomas2(you are dutch too right? otherwise change the nl..)
17:03:05Tomas2you need rescue.bin and maybe root.bin
17:03:54Tomas2and at the bootprompt type this: rescue root=/dev/hdaX 3
17:04:06Tomas2where X is a partition... and 3 is the runlevel it should boot to
17:06:10mirakHCl: you use qemu to acces it
17:06:19mirakHCl: you can use
17:06:59HClwhats qemu?
17:07:10Tomas2"QEMU is a generic and open source processor emulator which achieves a good emulation speed by using dynamic translation."
17:07:22Tomas2I was thinking the same question ;)
17:08:16HCleh.
17:08:25HClcolinux seems much better than something vmware like.
17:08:29HCli just need a working kernel.
17:08:33HClbut i'm tired of it.
17:08:44Tomas2yeah, and the floppy's I linked have a debian kernel ;)
17:08:46HCllinux is crap to set up. its only nice once it works properly
17:08:54HCldo they have xfs?
17:09:04HClcause a kernel is no use to me without xfs
17:09:13HCli might even have to have a special colinux kernel
17:09:27Tomas2not sure of xfs... is debian supporting it?
17:09:33HCli don't know?
17:09:35HClits a kernel feature
17:09:40HCli don't use stock kernels
17:10:21Tomas2well... download the drivers disks with it
17:10:21geoff_oDebian probably supports xfs as a module..
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17:10:30Tomas2then you can load the module from a driver disk
17:10:33HCltomas, that won't work.
17:10:36HCli need a filesystem
17:10:39HClin order to load modules.
17:10:40geoff_oHCl: are you just looking for a Live-Linux distribution that supports XFS?
17:10:41HCli don't have a filesystem.
17:10:45HClcause my filesystem is xfs
17:10:50geoff_oThat could pose a challange.
17:10:50Tomas2no, boot from the floppy's
17:10:54Tomas2then load module from floppy's
17:10:56HClgeoff_o: no, a colinux kernel
17:10:59HCli don't have a floppy
17:11:01HClnor a floppydrive
17:11:02Tomas2and then mount your real filesystem
17:11:04Tomas2lol
17:11:07Tomas2then write it to a cd?
17:11:11Tomas2there is also a cd image..
17:11:17HCli don't have writable cds nere, otherwise i could burn knoppic
17:11:18geoff_oOk.. I'm missing something.. what's colinux? (User-mode linux?)
17:11:18HClknoppix
17:11:22HCli have limited resources
17:11:24HClwww.colinux.org
17:11:28HClcooperative linux
17:11:46geoff_oWhat OS[s] are you running right now?
17:11:50HClwindows.
17:11:54HClif i had linux i wouldn't have a problem
17:11:55Tomas2here
17:11:55Tomas2http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/
17:11:56HClobviously
17:11:59Tomas2there is a cd image
17:12:05HCli don't have a writable cd.
17:12:07HCllike i said earlier.
17:12:15HCli have all those things at home
17:12:15Tomas2hm... then you have a problem
17:12:16HClbut not here.
17:12:21HClthats why i need to use colinux.
17:12:28geoff_oWhich Windows? (NT-based or Dos-Based?)
17:12:32HClxp.
17:12:40HClit doesn't matter whether its dos based or not..
17:13:04HCli'm gonna try colinux with its provided rootfs, see if i can start that then mount xfs
17:13:06preglowHCl: you don't have a disk drive or writable cd's? you're asking for it
17:13:14HClpreglow: i'm visiting somebody!
17:13:15geoff_o"DOS isn't an operating system, but it makes an adaquate boot loader"
17:13:20HClhow can you expect me to take writable cds everywhere i go
17:13:32preglowi do expect you to carry around knoppix :P
17:14:05HClat least colinux is at least semi-userfriendly
17:14:11HCldownloading a colinux rootfs....
17:14:23HClrather inefficient, but it should do. blergh.
17:15:08geoff_oOr at least "damn small linux".. it fits in your wallet for ****'s sake!
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17:16:20HClusb pen or something?
17:16:30preglowtf
17:16:32preglownew firmware
17:17:07preglowstill no gapless, surprise, surprise
17:17:39*geoff_o has been starting flamewars with total strangers since 1979. The first challenge was inventing the Internets.
17:24:06Tomas2new firmware for what?
17:24:10Tomas2archos?
17:24:53preglowh1290
17:24:54preglowh120 <-
17:25:46XShocKwhere is that new firmware? i see only 1.63
17:25:49Tomas2yeah
17:25:51Tomas2me too
17:27:21preglowmisticriver
17:28:57Tomas2oh I see...
17:29:19pikeonly korean so far?
17:29:34HClwhats new?
17:29:46Tomas2 Firmware v1.65 that enhances the H100 series' recording function is released.
17:30:02Tomas2they only say something about the recording function...
17:30:05pikeseems to only be fixes for recording to bring it upto par with h3xx series
17:30:34HClfm recording?
17:30:42Tomas2http://www.misticriver.net/boards/showthread.php?t=15497
17:30:48Tomas2there is a list
17:30:48pikeno fm rec
17:31:00pikeI'll wait for rockbox
17:31:06HClyup.
17:31:15HCli don't care how crappy fm recording will sound
17:31:30HClif its possible in hardware, we should make it possible
17:32:46webmindif it's possible it should be done ?
17:33:01HClas regards to fm recording, yes o.o
17:34:30Lynx_geoff_o: how do i get 'damn small linux' on an usb stick? :)
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17:38:08HCligh.
17:38:15HClcolinux works, but cause of the virtual devices, lilo won't run
17:38:20geoff_oI don't know.. I usually just burn it on those mini-cds
17:38:31geoff_o(The business-card sized ones.)
17:39:34Tomas2ghehe... I had knoppix and winPE on my iRiver for a long time...
17:39:42Tomas2until I got a bigger usb stick..
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17:41:07Lynx_hmm, i just can't figure out how to get the image onto a usb stick under windows...rawrite won't work with that
17:42:11Lynx_Tomas2: winPE boots off a usb harddisk?
17:42:28Tomas2yes, everythings boot's of a usb harddisk if you enable emulation
17:42:30geoff_oYou mean so it boots? You need some help from BIOS.. which is why it's easier to use a CD-ROM. I found knoppix + usb stick to be a pretty good tag-team.
17:43:19Tomas2yeah, but in my office we have 300 to 400 the same pc's...
17:43:22Lynx_but booting off usb is much cooler ;). And i always wanted to try that with my new pc...
17:43:24Tomas2all booting from usb...
17:43:43Tomas2so it wasn't a problem to boot from iRiver, before we got a big usb stick
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17:44:07Lynx_Tomas2: how do you have install winPE to have it boot?
17:44:12TangHi
17:44:56Tomas2Some helpdesk guy did it for me... but afaik it's just extracting the iso and copying the mbr of the floppy boot image inside
17:45:57Lynx_ok...
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17:56:00mirakLynx_: you can use Damn Small Linux to do that
17:56:10mirakit fit's in 60mo
17:56:49Lynx_mirak: how do i install that on a usb stick? can't find anything on the webpage
17:57:03mirakhum
17:57:13mirakI don't remember but there should info on this there
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18:00:01mirakLynx_: http://damnsmalllinux.org/cgi-bin/forums/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=11;t=3613
18:00:10mirakalways never forget the forums
18:00:12mirak:)
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18:03:42Lynx_mirak: that will take too long ;)
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18:05:21mirakLynx_: you got to know what you want :)
18:05:51Lynx_mirak: i found a featherlinux/syslinux.exe manual that sounds better ;)
18:08:58mirakLynx_: well I think I installed it in less steps than that
18:09:09mirakLynx_: in fact I think the steps are :
18:09:17mirakboot into damn small linux
18:09:44mirakcopy the content of the damn small linux iso into the usb key
18:09:58mirakand check lilo.conf
18:10:06Lynx_but then i have to burn dsl first, reboot...
18:10:09mirakand run lilo with the good config
18:10:20mirakno
18:10:26mirakyou can mount the iso
18:10:36mirakif you are on windows with daemon tools
18:10:40mirakor with mount on linux
18:10:49Lynx_mirak: to boot dsl i can't mount it
18:10:56mirakwhat ?
18:11:02mirakoh
18:11:04mirakhum
18:11:17mirakwell I think you need linux in all case, at least to install the bootloader
18:11:23Lynx_the other version is just unpack featherlinux to usb stick, run syslinux, done
18:11:25mirakyou could do that from a knoppix
18:11:31mirakok
18:11:33mirak:)
18:11:40mirakit seems simpler
18:11:47Lynx_if only featherlinux would donload faster i'd be done already ;)
18:11:57Lynx_s/don/down/
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18:12:35mirakif I had a bigger usb key I wwould have let damn small linux on it
18:12:50mirakanyway if you have a iRiver
18:13:02mirakyou can install damn small linux on it
18:13:08mirakor even a knoppix
18:13:15mirakthere is really enough space to do that
18:13:22mirakand then boot a PC from it
18:13:53mrmagshow did you partition to make that work?
18:13:58Lynx_i have some usb harddrives, those should work even better. and they have 200 gigs available ;)
18:21:04mirakmrmags: don't know
18:21:15mirakmrmags: maybe it would not work with the normal firmware
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18:27:59Tomas2As I said.. I had knoppix and winPE on iriver
18:28:29Tomas2with the original firmware... it just ignores the extra files in the root dir..
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18:46:10Lynx_hmm, it worked but didn't get past the knopppix boot menu...
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18:49:51El_GringoI've a little problem in building the cross compiler m68k
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18:49:58El_Gringosomeone could help I ?
18:50:50El_Gringowhen I compile gcc-core-3.4.3, I have an error
18:51:22El_Gringothe build / install of the new binutils is ok (the path too)
18:52:37El_Gringothe error messages are :
18:52:45El_GringoAssembler messages:
18:52:55El_GringoError: operands mismatch −− statement 'fmovem.l%fpcr,%d1' ignored
18:52:58El_GringoError: operands mismatch −− statement 'fmovem.l%fpcr,%d1' ignored
18:53:01El_Gringomake[2]: *** [libgcc/m68040/_fixunsdfsi.o] Error 1
18:53:04El_Gringomake[1]: *** [stmp-multilib] error 2
18:53:08El_Gringomake: *** [all-gcc] error 2
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19:01:51webguest50El_Gringo: had the same problem
19:02:35jypbwahaha
19:02:52El_Gringoha
19:03:26webguest50El_gringo: you need to edit libgcc.mk and remove all the lines with the processors higher than m5407
19:03:51webguest50El_Gringo: there is probably a more ellegant way, but it worked for me
19:12:40amiconnpreglow: r u there?
19:13:59amiconnjyp: r u there?
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19:17:58jypamiconn: I'm here
19:18:27amiconnIt seems you introduced a bug in libmad:layer3.c. It even segfaults on the simulator now
19:18:52amiconnLooking at line 856, it seems you meant 3L instead of 3I
19:19:27jypNote that it should make no difference on your targets
19:19:50amiconnFunny enough the compiler doesn't complain about '3I'
19:20:08jypWhy should it?
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19:20:58amiconnjyp: Erm, because it doesn't know how to handle an 'I' (note: capital letter i ) after a number?
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19:21:51preglowpreglow: i'm here
19:21:54preglowyes
19:21:59preglowamiconn: i'm here...
19:22:09amiconnHaha, ok
19:22:14preglowohh, yes
19:22:29preglowjyp'll handle that, i haven't built rockbox in a couple of days now :/
19:23:04jypMaybe we should check the ISO standard;
19:23:15jypbut I don't see why "I" shouldn't be accepted
19:23:53amiconnHmm. What should 'I' mean after all?
19:23:58jyp'int'
19:24:13jypI added that as a gcc bug workaround
19:24:39amiconnHmm.
19:25:45preglowjyp: did you make libmad work on gmini?
19:26:02amiconnDidn't know that this is possible, and my editor agrees with me. Anyway, both with and without I it segfaults in layer3.c, line 851
19:26:07jypI'm working on it
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19:27:07amiconnWhen I do this under gdb control, 'print sfbi' says sfbi = 2859, which is clearly out of range for subscripting 'exponents'
19:27:32jypThe total linecount of my changes it 5 or 6 lines perhaps
19:27:51preglowi expect you'll have to hack extensively for it to work
19:27:55jypso maybe you can review them?
19:28:09jyppreglow: why so?
19:28:36jypTill now I've hit only compiler bugs, not problems in the libmad code.
19:28:52preglowcompiler bugs are the reason for moving indexes out of expressions?
19:28:57jypyes
19:28:59preglownasty
19:29:07jyptell me about it!
19:29:22jypI hope gcc 4 will fix that
19:29:38preglowgcc 4 won't be out for a while
19:29:49preglowi think they're shooting for april
19:29:57preglowhmm, which isn't that far from now, i see
19:29:58preglow:P
19:30:04jypone month I can bear to wait
19:30:14jypyup
19:31:05jypamiconn: or perhaps try reverting my changes altogether and see if it solves the problem
19:31:57amiconnPerhaps it was there before... only mpa2wav gave strange effects sometimes
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19:32:44jypsometimes?
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19:34:41amiconnYes, sometimes. When I try to convert an .mp3 with it, sometimes the plugin doesn't load correctly, and on a second try it does
19:35:24amiconnThen it converts the .mp3 most of the time, and sometimes hangs the simulator at the end, but not always
19:35:55jypnasty ;)
19:36:45preglowi've never seen this on the actual device
19:36:46amiconnNow it behaves different. It always crashes after decoding the first frame (nothing saved)
19:40:53jypI'm pretty confident my changes are safe
19:41:20jypBut you can check them here: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/codecs/libmad/layer12.c.diff?r1=1.1&r2=1.2
19:41:35jypand there: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/codecs/libmad/layer3.c.diff?r1=1.4&r2=1.5
19:42:28amiconnYes, I checked them, and I have no explanation for this behaviour....
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19:43:27amiconnI thought this may have caused the problems, but it doesn't, sorry. On the other hand, this behaviour is new...
19:43:48jypnp
19:44:57jypI have made a standalone application to test libmad on gmini;
19:45:24jypI hit the complier bug quite soon (1st frame)
19:46:14jypbut apart from that I had to fiddle with the buffer sizes... I think it's not your problem; but who knows.
19:51:09mirakh320 is on the way
19:51:15mirakmy way
19:51:17mirak:D
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20:22:44amiconnjyp: Now that is strange: I simply replaced layer3.c with version 1.4 (before your changes), compiled the sim again - and it works!(at least as before)
20:23:03amiconnHowever, I don't get what is wrong with your changes...
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20:34:07amiconnpreglow: It turns out that I was wrong about the .icode/.idata presence in the simulators
20:34:25amiconnThis was the problem for the intermittent failure of mpa2wav.
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20:35:12amiconnI'll submit a fix for that (using the same #define mechanism as rockboy)
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20:38:39preglowamiconn: does the sims have a linker script?
20:38:47amiconnnope
20:39:03preglowahh, then it'll probably just be easier to make a couple of ICODE and IDATA macros
20:39:12amiconnYes, that's what I did
20:39:15preglowexcellent
20:39:20preglowput them some place everything can see them
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20:39:34amiconn(or rather, copied from rockboy/rockmacros.h with a slight correction
20:39:36amiconn)
20:40:05amiconnI still don't get why jyp's change
20:40:12amiconnbreaks libmad tho
20:40:42amiconnWould be very interesting whether the same thing happens on iriver target
20:41:10preglowi'm in no position to test right now, unfortunately
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21:12:19preglowwouldn't it be better to put those defines a place that's a bit more visible to all of rockbox than xxx2wav.h?
21:12:34preglowthe codecs shouldn't need to include that
21:12:59amiconnThey need to... libmad uses .idata in synth.c
21:13:17amiconnI put it both in xxx2wav.h and codec.h
21:14:23preglowso i see
21:30:43amiconnjyp: The 'I' is indeed the problem
21:30:59amiconnWithout it, it works perfectly in the simulator
21:31:56amiconnI didn't find anything mentioning the 'I' as a valid suffix, only 'U', 'L' and 'UL' for integer values
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21:34:33amiconnjyp: could you try if it helps to cast the '3' to an int?
21:35:11preglowhave you had a look at what the assembler looks like with the I ?
21:35:35preglowi've never seen an I myself
21:36:50amiconnNo, I didn't have a look. Perhaps I should, but then this is ugly x86...
21:38:56amiconnHmm, how do I do this? Didn't you mention that objcopy is able to disassemble?
21:39:04preglowobjdump -d
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21:39:12preglowbut it's better to have gcc generate asm
21:39:16preglowthis you do with -S
21:40:19amiconn...and I need to get all the defined symbols right
21:46:00amiconnUrgs, I forgot *how* ugly x86 asm is....
21:46:13amiconnHowever, I found the differing spot
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21:46:32amiconnNow I "only" need to understand it...
21:49:01preglowfeel free to paste the relevant section
21:49:10preglowi used to know x86 asm pretty well
21:50:05amiconnHow many lines before/ after do you think are necessary?
21:50:20amiconnThe simple 'I' seems to add 3 x86 instructions
21:50:59HClughh.
21:51:01HClhello.
21:51:12HCli don't suppose any of you have experience with 802.1x under linux?
21:52:14Camilonot sure HCl .... is it like vlan?
21:52:24amiconnpreglow: This is the relevant part without 'I' (working):
21:52:25amiconn 982:81 7d f0 3f 02 00 00 cmpl $0x23f,0xfffffff0(%ebp)
21:52:26amiconn 989:0f 87 3e ff ff ff ja 8cd <_III_exponents+0x6d>
21:52:26DBUGEnqueued KICK amiconn
21:52:26amiconn 98f:90 nop
21:52:26amiconn 990:8b 75 e0 mov 0xffffffe0(%ebp),%esi
21:52:26***Alert Mode level 1
21:52:26amiconn 993:0f b6 44 37 12 movzbl 0x12(%edi,%esi,1),%eax
21:52:27***Alert Mode level 2
21:52:27amiconn 998:88 d9 mov %bl,%cl
21:52:29amiconn 99a:d3 e0 shl %cl,%eax
21:52:32HClno
21:52:36amiconnAnd this is the buggy part:
21:52:49amiconn 982:81 7d f0 3f 02 00 00 cmpl $0x23f,0xfffffff0(%ebp)
21:52:49amiconn 989:0f 87 3e ff ff ff ja 8cd <_III_exponents+0x6d>
21:52:49amiconn 98f:8b 35 b8 87 00 00 mov 0x87b8,%esi
21:52:49***Alert Mode level 3
21:52:49amiconn 995:89 75 dc mov %esi,0xffffffdc(%ebp)
21:52:50***Alert Mode level 4
21:52:50amiconn 998:90 nop
21:52:50***Alert Mode level 5
21:52:50amiconn 999:8d b4 26 00 00 00 00 lea 0x0(%esi),%esi
21:52:52amiconn 9a0:8b 4d e0 mov 0xffffffe0(%ebp),%ecx
21:52:54amiconn 9a3:0f b6 44 0f 12 movzbl 0x12(%edi,%ecx,1),%eax
21:52:56amiconn 9a8:88 d9 mov %bl,%cl
21:52:58amiconn 9aa:d3 e0 shl %cl,%eax
21:57:07preglowi love the nop
21:59:53preglowi don't get it
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22:02:04preglowi can't imagine why an extra I should result in that
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22:03:42amiconnYeah... but it does.
22:04:03amiconnI'd really like to find some material describing the effect of the 'I'
22:05:51amiconnIn fact there are more changes further throughout the code.... most probably too long to paste here
22:08:14preglowbut i can test it on target now
22:08:31preglowafter i clean out all these bloody new cvs conflicts
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22:09:31amiconnWould be very interesting to compare the coldfire asm with and without 'I'
22:11:04preglowit works poorly
22:11:12preglowentire unit hangs
22:11:34amiconnThat's with the 'I'?
22:11:38preglowyes
22:11:43preglowwhat changes do you need to have it work?
22:11:44amiconnAh.
22:11:53amiconnJust remove the 'I'
22:12:15amiconnWith 'I', the simulator segfaults (both win32 and x11)
22:12:53amiconnIt tries to access the exponents[] array with a very high index, way out of bounds...
22:13:09preglowworks like a charm without I
22:13:17preglowi'll have a look at the assembly
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22:20:07preglowno one seems to know what I means
22:20:14preglowso i think it's same to assume there's no such thing
22:22:16preglowahhh
22:22:35preglowi believe I is equivalent to i, which is the c99 complex constant
22:22:40preglowno wonder it blows up
22:22:46amiconnIf there were is such thing, then there are 3 questions instead: (1) why did jyp introduce it? (2) why does it produce no warning/error? (3) why does it produce additional/different code?
22:23:07preglowwell, a complex int is two ordinary ints in a struct like thing, so no wonder
22:23:16preglowjyp thought I was an L like thing
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22:23:26preglowas for no warning/error, we're talking about gcc here
22:23:27preglowit's strange
22:23:50amiconnI don't think so....
22:23:53amiconn[19:25:55] <amiconn> Hmm. What should 'I' mean after all?
22:23:54amiconn[19:26:00] <jyp> 'int'
22:23:54amiconn[19:26:16] <jyp> I added that as a gcc bug workaround
22:23:59preglowahh
22:24:06preglowbut it's not a particularily good workaround, is it :P
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22:24:09*preglow prods jyp
22:24:20amiconnBut obviously it doesn't simply mean 'int'...
22:25:44preglowamiconn: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-3.4.3/gcc/Complex.html#Complex
22:26:22amiconnJust looking at that, slightly different url...
22:26:37amiconnHowever, we don't include complex.h for sure
22:27:10jyppreglow: I told you to check my commit ;)
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22:28:24amiconnhttp://www.delorie.com/gnu/docs/glibc/libc_420.html
22:29:11jypI'll see how I could make my gcc swallow the 3...
22:29:21amiconn(int)3 ?
22:29:52jyplayer3.c:878: internal compiler error: in simplify_unary_operation, at simplify-rtx.c:563
22:29:57amiconnOr better: fix gcc ;)
22:30:15jypUnfortunately this is in the machine independant code
22:30:47amiconnhuh? Hmm, why this works in other gcc's? Anyway, you could try to swap the operands
22:31:28jypBecause word size is different
22:32:40amiconnHmm, so it's not completely machine independent. My guess is that since most machines are 32 bit (or larger) today, 16 bit support isn't that well tested.
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22:34:24zaknafeinhey
22:35:37zaknafeinanyone around?
22:35:48Tomas2hi
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22:37:05zaknafeini meant like here as in at keyboard
22:37:05Bagderooops ;-)
22:37:06zaknafeinanyway
22:37:29zaknafeindoes anyone know if anyone makes a firmware mod for the archos jukebox multimedia 20
22:37:41zaknafeini cant find one anywhere
22:37:57amiconnBagder: Your win32 executable runs just fine. However, it is 163 KB (>10 %) larger than what cygwin gcc produces
22:38:04Bagderzaknafein: http://linav.free.fr/
22:38:15Bagderah, cool
22:38:28Bagdernot that it matters much
22:38:40zaknafeinthanks badge
22:38:42zaknafeinr
22:38:47amiconnBagder: I could try the plugins as well, if you could make up a zip package
22:39:08zaknafeinBadger: any expreience with it? have your heard good about it?
22:39:21amiconnI guess the larger binary is caused by using gcc 3.4.x instead of 3.3.x (cygwin)
22:39:26Bagderzaknafein: I have no idea, I'm a rockboxer
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22:39:46Bagderamiconn: quite possibly
22:42:03zaknafeinhmm i dont think the JBMM 20 firmware is out yet on that site
22:43:05zaknafeinany others?
22:43:19Bagderamiconn: http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/rockbox.zip
22:47:07zaknafeinBadger is there actally somthing downloadable for the JBMM 20 on that site?
22:48:18Bagderlet me repeat: I have no idea, I'm a rockboxer
22:48:24Bagderthis is #rockbox
22:48:34amiconnBagder: All plugins I tried are working as they should
22:49:01amiconnFunny enough, a number of plugins is smaller compared to what gcc 3.3.x produces
22:50:07Bagder!
22:54:54jypoops
22:55:04amiconnOne minor thing - the executable misses the .exe extension
22:56:32Bagderamiconn: yeps, its a mistake in configure
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22:57:41Bagderme fix
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23:01:45Bagderand I have another neat fix too
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23:09:46DeadManwhat is currently not working on iRiver Rockbox?
23:10:28preglowgo read the wiki
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23:14:33geoff_oI guess "RTFW" is now replacing "RTFM".
23:14:34markunpreglow, are you there?
23:14:58preglowmarkun: yes
23:15:30Soul_Eaterhaha
23:15:49markunI disabled mdct_inverse in Tremor just to see how fast it would be. My slowest ogg's decode at 135% without imdct. Not very fast.
23:16:31preglowno iram used?
23:16:37markuniram used.
23:16:40preglowfor what?
23:17:07markunFor the windowing factors.
23:17:41markunAnd the windowing function is also in iram.
23:17:42preglowok
23:17:50preglowfunctions in iram should be avoided
23:17:57preglowwe should try to use the cache properly instead
23:18:01preglowbut yes, doesn't matter now
23:18:12preglowi'll have a look at tremor as soon as i'm done with libmad
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23:19:16markunok, that would be great.
23:19:32preglowi've only got imdct_l and dct32 left
23:19:40preglowand dct32 i don't know if i can handle without going insane
23:20:11preglowthere's no hurry anyway, i don't think sound and codec apis will be done any time soon
23:20:16markunProfiling would be nice. Than we know what to optimize. I wonder if the gcc patch (to use regs for arguments) will also speed things up.
23:20:39pregloweveryone would have to agree on using that gcc patch if one is to use it
23:20:47markunTrue
23:20:51preglowmy asm functions rely on stack based arguments right now
23:21:08preglowthey would break quite noisily with register arguments
23:25:16markunI noticed a difference between my ogg files. The are all encoded with q3 but some decode at 103% now and others 135%. Do you know what could cause this?
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23:52:48preglowhmm
23:52:53preglowit still crashes my player
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23:56:29preglowno, it works
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23:57:49amiconnpreglow: Does it also happen for iriver target that libmad.a isn't cleaned with 'make clean'?

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