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#rockbox log for 2005-03-11

00:00:06preglowthen again, makefiles are not my forte
00:00:28amiconnIt's libmad only, although the makefile looks just like the other codec makefiles
00:00:41Bagderno
00:00:45amiconnno?
00:00:57Bagderthe OUTPUT variable isn't set properly when the clean target is used
00:01:04amiconnWell, there's another difference when 'make'ing
00:01:19Bagderimho, they should be moved into each makefile and not passed in by the parent one
00:01:29amiconnAll other codecs just mention the source file name; libmad adds the path
00:01:48amiconn(in the echo CC... line)
00:02:55amiconnMoving the output variable into the file has problems too... I experienced this when creating the Makefile for rockboy
00:03:27amiconn$OBJDIR is set different when 'make clean' compared to 'make'/ 'make all'
00:03:34Bagderyes, it requires some further changes
00:03:41BagderI still think that's the way to go
00:04:02amiconnI agree it is the clean(er) way
00:05:56preglowwhat the hell
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00:16:09Patr3ckjust examined the id3 database, the search functionality would be very useful for the filetree as well
00:17:23Patr3ckbut I cant see an easy way to display the results
00:17:56*Bagder can't think of any easy way either
00:18:24Patr3cksomething like switch temporarly to id3 view?
00:18:32*Tomas2 is going to bed
00:18:36 Quit Tomas2 ("c ya later")
00:19:05Patr3ckand then use whats already in the db tree
00:20:59preglowmy god, iriver.mp3 is tragic
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00:26:00rasherpreglow: The "iRiver theme song" one?
00:26:17preglowi would have thought bundling this song with every mp3 player they sold was equivalent with commercial suicide
00:26:58preglowrasher: yes
00:27:02preglowcatch the digital flow...
00:27:16rasherIt's excellent
00:27:18tvelocity[away]it's not THAT bad :P
00:27:21rasherPerfectly horrible
00:27:36rasherAnd I get it each time it's been plugged into usb because it's in the root :)
00:27:48rasherAnd then I catch the digital flow
00:27:52preglowhaha
00:27:55preglowit's the first thing i deleted
00:28:03preglowit's so cheesy i almost faint
00:28:10rasherThat's why I love it.
00:28:11BagderI never listed to it
00:28:17BagderI wiped, and rsynced
00:28:34preglowBagder: you're better off
00:28:49Bagdermy rsync line works exactly the same for both archos and iriver
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00:29:21rasherI need to tune mine somehow
00:29:33rasherbecause right now I'm only comparing filesizes
00:29:41rasherwhich doesn't work for when I've only changed metadata
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00:32:10rasherBagder: how're you rsyncing?
00:32:28Bagderrsync -avW −−progress −−delete /data/mp3/* /mnt/archos/
00:32:58Bagdermight not be perfect, but it works fine
00:35:56rasherhm, I ended up using −−size-ony
00:35:59rasher−−size-only
00:36:20rasherBecause of some weirdness with fat32 causing it to update files that weren't changed
00:39:39***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
00:41:59Rickmmm
00:42:39Rickwhat's shakin'?
00:43:03amiconnrasher: Why is that a problem? If the file didn't change, simply copying it again shouldn't hurt either
00:43:22rasheramiconn: But it takes time, and shouldn't happen!
00:43:26Rickyes
00:43:35Ricki'm sure copying a same large file over USB1 would suck
00:43:35rasherIt hurts my nothing-should-happen-for-no-reason sense
00:43:35Rick;P
00:43:36 Nick Seed is now known as mehistme (ben@192.114.41.133)
00:43:51mehistmeavoiding spammers is hard these days :(
00:44:06rasherWell I'm using a ihp-120 which has usb2, but it's still annoying
00:44:15amiconnAgreed to the 'shouldn't happen' part
00:44:36amiconnAnyway, can't say much about that. I don't use any special sync tool
00:44:41rasherPlus I run the iriver database tool if I added files
00:44:43Rickrasher: yeah, but I suffered having to use usb1 for awhile with my h120
00:44:51Rick(I upgraded recently which included usb2 ;)
00:44:54rasherRick: ouch
00:44:59Rickyeah
00:45:12Rickspent at least six hours copying stuff over
00:45:13*Rick gags
00:45:49preglowi just copy stuff i think i want to listen to to it
00:45:51preglowno special sync
00:46:32amiconnI simply copy all mp3s I decided to keep at all to my player :)
00:46:42Rickyeah, I do as well
00:46:55rasherpreglow: sounds like how I would use a 256mb player :)
00:46:55Rickthe only thing I listen to on my computer now are streams
00:47:06Patr3cki use unison to sync pc<->iriver
00:47:19Rickalso
00:47:29RickI was thinking, it'd be nice to support tracker formats in the future as well ;)
00:47:42preglowit's coming
00:47:46*Rick nods
00:47:52rasherThere's a bit about that in the wiki, but noone seriously working on it I think
00:47:56Rickah
00:48:00Ricki'll look into it
00:48:01amiconnNow that is another thing... grrrfml
00:48:11preglowgod knows how i would use 256meg player
00:48:14preglowi like to listen to entire albums
00:48:14*amiconn remembers there are 13000+ mods to sort...
00:48:25Rickwasn't someone working on the remote spi?
00:48:32preglowRick: yes, think so
00:48:41rasherI tried looking at libmodplug, and it doesn't appear to be using many floats
00:48:42Rickamiconn: hehehehehehe ;)
00:48:54rasherbut it's c ...
00:48:58rashercplusplus
00:49:02Rickouch
00:49:05Ricki'm sure there's a lib somewhere
00:49:11*Rick searches sourceforge
00:50:02rashersay mikmod and there will be an uprising
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00:50:15Rickhehe
00:50:33Rickwhat's wrong with mikmod, other than I wasn't going to suggest it? :P
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00:50:46rasherThing is, I actually don't know
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00:51:06rasherbut I've heard a bunch of people saying it has poor support for some features
00:51:11Rickah
00:51:12muesli-g'Day folks
00:52:10preglowthere are precious few perfect mod players out there
00:52:14preglowthe only ones i know of are closed source
00:52:20Rickah
00:53:09rasherBut then.. a poor C library is probably a better bet than a good cplusplus library
00:53:20Rickhehe
00:53:33Rickwell, mikmod is at least mentioning
00:54:18preglowwell, we can't use c++
00:54:36Rickmikmod is c++?
00:54:41preglowi don't know
00:54:44Rickoh ;P
00:55:24Ricktrying to search SF for mikmod but SF seems to have died on me
00:55:28rasherI'm just guessing that it may be feasible to adapt it to c, depending on how "much" cplusplus it is
00:56:16Rickhttp://mikmod.raphnet.net/#files
00:57:02Rickappears to be c
00:57:04Camilobecause rsync reads the destination files, you might be better off with some combination of find and cp - to just copy the changed files
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00:57:19Rickyeah, it's C
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00:58:24rasherCamilo: what's wrong with reading the destination files?
00:58:44Camiloif you're reading them through a slow usb link...
00:58:59rasherI'm not. I
00:59:01RickI don't think that's much of a problem
00:59:06rasher'm reading them through usb2
00:59:16Camiloit's still slower than your hard disk
00:59:22rasherit was never a speed issue, it was an issue of being WRONG
00:59:27RickHeh
00:59:33rasherit updated files that hadn't changed
01:00
01:00:11Camiloyou you use the metadata on your filesystem to find the files that have changed... surely that's better?
01:00:45rasherbut then I miss out on all of the goodies of rsync
01:00:51Camilosigh
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01:02:10rasherplus, I'm not really in the mood for creating such a script
01:02:20rasherand I'll want to delete removed files as well
01:02:38rashersounds like hard work
01:02:57Camilofair enough
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01:09:17rasherXMP is also C
01:09:25rasher(module library/player)
01:12:24rasherI don't know how that compares to mikmod
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01:13:47Rickah
01:15:01rasherdumb seems pretty immature
01:15:44rashernot a lot of formats supported it seems
01:15:59rasherbut c
01:17:48RickXMP, or mikmod?
01:18:10rasher"DUMB"
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01:18:40rasherI think xmp and mikmod both support more or less the same formats
01:18:50rasherbut how well, I don't know
01:19:37rasherhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs#Other_CODECs
01:20:25DMJChow's the tremor codec going?
01:20:48preglownot too good yet
01:20:59RickOh
01:21:50rasherDid anyone look at the viewer patch yet?
01:22:11Rickwhat viewer patch, and whatsit do?
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01:22:34rasherIt takes proportional fonts into account
01:22:44rasherand adds an extra flow mode
01:23:02rasherhttp://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=1152363
01:23:17Rickah
01:23:23RickI havn't used the text viewer at all yet
01:23:49webguest58"Reading books on the iriver is much better now"
01:24:01webguest58We can read books ?
01:24:09tvelocity[away]omg reading books?:P
01:24:46rasherif you have them in raw text format, sure
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01:24:54webguest58sorry ill be quiet and watch you talk :| you guys should take a break and have a coffee, or tea, whatever yer flava is
01:25:01Rickheh
01:25:03tvelocity[away]maybe you could support rtf?:P
01:25:08*Rick wouldn't be able to stand reading something on such a small screen
01:25:20Ricks/something/a book/
01:25:20webguest58even an MP3 song ?
01:25:27webguest58Or tag :|
01:25:41Rickhence correction
01:25:41Rick;)
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01:25:59webguest58bleh heh
01:26:25webguest58So my little minions, hows the sound coming along
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01:26:29tvelocity[away]do you need any help with the greek translation, or do you already have someone to do this?
01:26:30amiconnx11 is like .... hmm....
01:27:35amiconntvelocity[away]: Additional translations (also, updated translations) are always appreciated
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01:27:58rashertvelocity[away]: try taking a look at the current state of the translation and see if it's up to date
01:28:10amiconnRockbox claims to support 24 languages, but only 8 of the are up to date
01:28:27Rickis it a true translation?
01:28:37RickI thought rockbox didn't support unicode?
01:28:39*Rick could be wrong
01:28:50webguest58Nowt wrong with english
01:28:54rasherouch.. greek is 22 months old
01:29:02rasherdefinately not up to date :)
01:29:11Rickfeel free to update it tvelocity[away]
01:29:11tvelocity[away]well then except an update soon :)
01:29:12Rick;)
01:29:14webguest58How much can a dictionary change in 22 months ?
01:29:20*preglow pats his norwegian translation
01:29:25Rickwebguest58: interface updates/changes/additions/removals/etc
01:29:31rasherwebguest58: well new strings were added to the rockbox interface
01:29:51tvelocity[away]a dictionary not much (given that greek hasnt changed a lot the last 4000 yrs)... but string change a lot in an app:P
01:29:52Rickoh yeah, I forgot about the language selection in the config
01:29:55amiconnRick: rockbox does not (yet) support unicode, instead it uses different codepages for languages with non-latin characters
01:30:03Rickah, amiconn
01:30:05webguest58i understand
01:30:32amiconnMost use the iso8859 family, only russian is a bit different in that it uses win-1251
01:30:39Rickah
01:30:42rasherand hebrew?
01:30:52rasherwasn't there hebrew?
01:31:05Bagderyes
01:31:13Bagderbut it doesn't work very good apparently
01:31:19webguest58How many hebrewish people are going to use rockbox ?
01:31:22Bagderthere was also a chinese version
01:31:30Seedwebguest58: at least 1
01:31:32Rickoh
01:31:32Rickalso
01:31:34Bagderbut it required a patch
01:31:36webguest58lol
01:31:37amiconnmarkun made a patch that adds unicode support (utf-8) to rockbox
01:31:47RickI thought 'play' on the h120 remote was supposed to start original firmware?
01:31:48tvelocity[away]well since most languages could be represented with 8 bits, i guess its mainly a matter of fonts
01:32:00rasherRick: you need to hold it for a bit
01:32:03Rickahhhh
01:32:04amiconnThis needs some more work before it can be integrated though
01:32:08Rickokay
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01:32:24rasherRick: so the firmware gets a chance to see that you are pressing it
01:32:29*Rick nods
01:32:56*rasher compiles a list of translation statuses
01:33:02amiconnBagder: I think the utf-8 support can borrow some ideas from the chinese patch (font caching)
01:33:38amiconnutf-8 itself works rather nice, even on archos
01:33:40webguest58Should i really be talking in here, i feel in the way whilst your working
01:33:52Rickwebguest58: you're not in the way
01:34:13webguest58roger that rick
01:34:55amiconnIt only adds ~500 bytes of code so far, and some minor fixups are needed (mostly using lcd_getstringsize() instead of strlen() for formatting
01:37:36webguest58ok im off, keep doing what your doing, i like it, much appreciated
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01:43:39tvelocity[away]what about grayscale support? does it have any priority, or is it the last thing you plan to do?
01:44:02preglowit's done, just not integrated
01:44:10tvelocity[away]really?
01:44:18preglowneed to agree on the internal framebuffer format
01:44:18preglowyes
01:44:19rasherokay, that was unpleasant
01:44:22tvelocity[away]taht's w00t
01:44:38tvelocity[away]rockboy is SOOOO cool ;)
01:44:42rashertranslations really are in a sad state
01:44:52preglownot the norwegian one#!"%"#
01:45:01rasheror Danish!!!
01:46:09tvelocity[away]neither the greek one, starting from tomorow :P
01:46:24rasherexcellent
01:47:49Rickyes, rockbox is great
01:47:51Ricker
01:47:51Rickboy
01:47:56Rickrockbox is great too though ;)
01:48:13tvelocity[away]let's hope the language files are not too complicated. i assume they're plain text?
01:48:29Rickprobably
01:48:34rasherYes, there's a tool to help you
01:49:49rasherhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoUpdateLangfile
01:49:49Bagderhttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoUpdateLangfile
01:49:53Bagderhah
01:49:55rasherexcellent
01:50:29*rasher ponders posting his list of language-files and their age to the mailing list
01:50:58BagderI plan to write a script that shows the 10 oldest bug reports/feature requests on the site
01:51:28Bagderto encourage action
01:51:40amiconnrasher: The age doesn't necessarily tell us much. For the language files, the percentage of strings still covered would be very interesting
01:51:56rasheramiconn: that would require real work though :)
01:51:57Bagderjust run uplang on them and count the comments
01:52:07amiconnUh oh....
01:52:23rasherHm
01:52:25rashersounds like fun
01:52:35rasherI'll try
01:53:04DBUGEnqueued KICK rasher
01:53:04rasherfirst I need a terminal that isn't translucent and 04RED
01:53:35Bagder<g>
01:53:44tvelocity[away]what? there are terminals out there that are not black? OMG people are sick:P
01:54:25CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
01:54:25*Rick paints tvelocity[away] a bright purple
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01:55:16tvelocity[away]hm maybe you should go to a bad-taste-contest
01:55:24amiconnProbably still better than looking at x11 programming docs :/
01:55:37rashervery probable
01:57:30preglownon-black background terminals are satan
01:58:00preglowi tried moving imdct_s to an asm file, and now it doesn't work anymore
01:58:02preglowthree cheers to me
01:59:18rasherthat's harsh, preglow :_(
02:00
02:04:24rasherI am now creating bash evil
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02:06:11tvelocity[away]hm translating seams pretty simple
02:08:22rasherit pretty much is
02:08:39rasherexcept for all those words which you don't knoooow how to translate :)
02:08:46tvelocity[away]yeah indeed
02:14:11preglowanyone want to take over the cf-mpegdec thing?
02:14:16preglowi won't have time to look at it
02:14:23rasheramiconn: hrm, actually.. how do I tell this percentage?
02:15:00rasherah
02:15:09rasherjust the number of empty "new: " lines?
02:15:56rasherDoes indeed seem so
02:16:06rasherwell that's easy then
02:17:57rasherah, not quite
02:18:03rasherdammit :(
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02:18:47tvelocity[away]should i upercase every first word letter?
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02:19:36rasherOnly if it seems right
02:19:44rasherdo what makes most sense for greek
02:19:59rasherI didn't do that for Danish
02:20:00preglowslap me
02:20:10*rasher slaps preglow
02:20:11preglowi didn't do it for norwegian
02:20:18preglowonly do it if it's usual in greek
02:20:29tvelocity[away]i really can't find a nice word for "buffer"...
02:20:41preglowthat one was easy, heh
02:21:00rasherluckily, buffer is sortof accepted into Danish
02:21:11preglowit's a norwegian word
02:21:30preglowused in all the same contexts as in english
02:21:59tvelocity[away]i'll just leave it buffer (that's common in greek)
02:22:13rasherArgh, I'll have to add a check for deprecated strings to this script, I think
02:23:12rashergrep -c "new: $" was so easy.. but I guess that's not my kind of luck
02:23:33preglowquite a lot of deprecated strings
02:23:40rasheryup
02:24:00rasherI guess this is not really feasible as a bash script anymore
02:24:15rasheror I'll have to look at multiline sed...
02:24:20rasherwhich is pure horror
02:24:37rasherI bet if I knew awk it'd be suitable
02:25:09preglowperl...
02:25:26*rasher curls up in fetal position
02:25:32tvelocity[away]id: LANG_TIME_SET
02:25:33tvelocity[away]desc: used in set_time()
02:25:33tvelocity[away]eng: "ON To Set
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02:25:39tvelocity[away]on what context is that used?
02:25:45rasherhttp://stud.wsi.edu.pl/~robert/awk/ wow.. that's... colourful
02:26:20rasherIt sounds like it's used for the devices with clocks
02:26:21preglowtvelocity[away]: press 'on' to set current time, i guerss
02:26:39rasherbut I don't know...
02:26:58tvelocity[away]hm i c
02:29:52preglowhaha
02:30:09preglowit never occured to me that having %sp be correct at all times is actually important
02:30:38tvelocity[away]id: LANG_DISCHARGE
02:30:38tvelocity[away]desc: DEPRECATED
02:30:38tvelocity[away]eng: ""
02:30:45tvelocity[away]should i keep this, or delete?
02:30:50preglowkeep
02:30:56tvelocity[away]ok
02:30:59rashernew:
02:31:01rasheror new: ""
02:31:10preglowdoesn't matter
02:31:16rasherindeed
02:31:28rasherbut if the latter was required, it'd make my life easier :)
02:33:18*preglow pats himself on the back
02:37:53preglownothing quite as satisfying as making an assembler routine even tighter
02:38:05preglowthat's an overstatement, but you get it
02:39:40***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
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02:47:56tvelocity[away]clip hold time?
02:49:40preglowyes, you're getting to the hard ones ;)
02:49:58tvelocity[away]the other guy left it unchanged
02:50:13tvelocity[away]what is it actually?
02:50:55rasherhaha, I have absolutely no idea
02:50:57preglowi guess the peak meters indicate when the sound has clipped
02:51:08preglowand that setting just decides how long until it forgets clipping has occured
02:51:15rasherI don't think I translated this string
02:51:23rashernew: "Klipfrysetid"
02:51:25rasheryuck
02:53:13rasherHrm, awk is mocking me
02:57:19tvelocity[away]over 2/3 of the strings are ### Not previously translated
02:57:29tvelocity[away]looks that i have work to do:P
02:57:44tvelocity[away]s/that/like/
02:59:12preglowtvelocity[away]: yes, i had to translate something around that as well, took me quite some hours
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03:01:23tvelocity[away]what is top off charge?
03:02:34preglowi have no idea
03:02:44preglowthink i just used the english term there
03:03:00rasherI think it's a charging mode where it's filling the last bits of the battery
03:03:16rasherhurray! I have conquered awk
03:03:36rashernow to move it all inside this shell script
03:05:04rasherwow.. it Just Worked.
03:05:56tvelocity[away]hm... should i keep translating or should i go to bed?
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03:06:12tvelocity[away]i didn't know that translating is so addictive:P
03:06:22preglowhahah
03:06:40preglowi'll probably faint if i try coding imdct_l now
03:06:43preglowso i'll go to bed
03:06:44preglowgood night, all
03:06:51rashergoodnight
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03:07:48rashertvelocity[away]: 304 untranslated strings if my script is correct
03:07:53rasherhave fun :)
03:08:08rasherBagder: do you want this script?
03:08:08tvelocity[away];P
03:08:26tvelocity[away]i believe i'll have it ready tomorow at noon
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05:32:51Soul_Eaterholy crap
05:32:56Soul_Eateri got mp3s working on rbx
05:48:07Rickin what?
05:48:11Rickplayer
05:48:15Ricker, device
05:48:16Rick;P
05:51:48Soul_Eateririver
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05:58:42Rickreally?
05:58:44Ricknifty
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05:58:50RickSoul_Eater: how are you playing it?
05:58:54Rickdid someone update cvs or something?
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06:04:35Soul_Eatersucker
06:04:42Soul_Eateri just wanted to see if anyone was paying attention
06:04:43Soul_Eaterhehe
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07:11:29Soul_Eaterany c/c++ coders around
07:13:52LinusNyup
07:15:16Soul_EaterI dont want to distract you of all people from any work of importance youre doing, but I'm having some programming woes myself.
07:17:26LinusNshoot
07:22:43Rickask away ;P
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08:47:02*LinusN is very tired...
08:49:16*dwihno hands Linus a huge canister of coffee
08:50:30LinusNaaah, that's better
08:52:10dwihno:D
08:53:55LinusNyour archos is still alive?
08:54:03dwihnoalive and kicking!
08:54:08LinusNnice
08:54:22LinusNmust have been hard to be without it for so long
08:54:32dwihnoThe new diodes made it so much better!
08:54:37LinusNhehe
08:54:52dwihnothis is how it should've been from the start
08:54:58Bagderwhite modded I guess?
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08:55:17LinusNyeah
08:55:30BagderI love that
08:55:46LinusNfeels like a whole new player
08:55:47dwihnoOnce you gone white, the green light is horrible
08:55:51dwihnoexactly!
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09:03:53dwihnothe jpeg plugin should abort on stop, imho ;)
09:04:03LinusNsend us a patch
09:04:25dwihno;)
09:05:22LinusNi've been tninking about the rockbox grayscale support
09:05:38LinusNi think the internal framebuffer format should be target specific
09:05:51dwihnoI just grepped the source tree for \t and found a whole bunch (just thought you might want to know)
09:06:02dwihnoI agree
09:06:08LinusNand not 1 byte per pixel
09:07:26LinusNif we have 1 byte per pixel, the frame buffer gets quite large
09:07:45Bagdera lot of bits wasted
09:07:47LinusNand it won't fit in the internal ram
09:07:57LinusNmaking it a lot slower
09:08:18dwihnothat reminds me
09:08:26dwihno*dig for a file*
09:09:14LinusNmarkuns grayscale patch for iriver looks quite nice
09:09:18amiconndwihno: What do you mean, the jpeg plugin should abort on stop? It does exit on stop...
09:09:26dwihnoamiconn: abort on stop
09:09:30amiconn?
09:09:36dwihnoabort loading if stop is pressed
09:09:47amiconnAh, you mean during decoding?
09:09:51dwihnomhm :)
09:10:03amiconnHmm, can't think of a reason for that...
09:10:47amiconn...but shouldn't be hard to add either
09:12:12Schnueffmoin
09:12:47LinusNSchnueff: moo
09:12:54Schnueffjust uploaded bug report [1161173] + patch, if someone likes to look at it
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09:22:28LinusNSchnueff: committed, thanks!
09:25:59Schnueffhow irc speeds up things :)
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09:46:05Heidelwann wr denn der?
09:46:24Heidelsorry, wrong channel
09:49:01Bagderaha
09:49:04Bagder;-)
09:49:39dwihnoDie Kartoffel sind wie immer kaputtgegangen
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10:00:26Schnueffmusst Du die Kartoffeln reparieren
10:03:16LinusNich habe Kartoffeln in mein Floppylaufwerke
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10:04:00El_GringoHi
10:04:05LinusNho
10:04:24El_GringoI can't compile rockbox from the daily builds ! :-(
10:05:02LinusNpoor you
10:05:10El_GringoYesterday, I builded the right rockbox compilation environement for m68k
10:05:29El_GringoBut today, I've too many errors in compiling !
10:05:33El_Gringoyes, poor me !
10:05:43LinusNwhat errors?
10:05:54El_Gringowith codecs
10:06:14dwihno:D
10:06:26dwihnoFloppylaufwerke \o/ :)
10:06:28El_Gringoa file : codec.h is not present
10:06:28Schnueffah that reminds me. my simulator was buggy because LITTLE_ENDIAN should have been set, but wasnt. i use gcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-2), where is LITTLE_DEBIAN meant to be set (cf. dbtree.c)
10:06:50Schnueff(on x86)
10:07:34LinusNEl_Gringo: do you get the code from .tar files or directly from cvs?
10:07:45El_Gringofrom the tar file
10:07:53El_GringoI souldn't have ?
10:08:25LinusNjust trying to pinpoint the problem
10:08:43El_Gringou ?
10:09:16LinusNcodec.h should be in apps/codec/codec.h
10:09:30El_Gringoand isn't !
10:09:48El_Gringowho stoled the codec.h !?
10:10:07LinusNmust be something wrong with the .tar file generation
10:10:13BagderFILES needs patch
10:10:24Bagderme fix
10:10:25LinusNme fix
10:10:27LinusN:-)
10:10:29Schnueffheh
10:10:33Bagderrace!
10:10:35El_Gringobeacause in the CVS, it's ok ?
10:10:39BagderEl_Gringo: yes
10:11:11El_Gringook, so, I'm going to take rockbox from the cvs
10:11:23Bagderthat's more comfortable anyway
10:11:28LinusNi won!
10:11:36Schnueffgrats
10:11:41*Bagder curses
10:12:05El_Gringoand, after I removed the codecs compilation in the right makefile, I had an other error : cannot find -lmad . It must beacause of a removed the libmad compilation
10:12:07El_Gringoright ?
10:12:28LinusNyes
10:12:41El_Gringook
10:12:56El_GringoOne day, I'll try to compile rockbox !
10:13:03LinusNwhy not today?
10:13:20LinusN"what are you going to compile today?"
10:13:22Bagderits not very hard
10:13:23El_Gringowhy not !? you're right !
10:13:32Schnueffanother one: when building clean from CVS, file.h is not found
10:13:38LinusNhuh?
10:13:53Schnueffmpegplay.c:27:18: file.h: No such file or directory
10:13:53SchnueffIn file included from mpegplay.c:30:
10:13:55Schnueff...
10:14:07El_Gringoit's a little bit hard for someone who ever worked with Visual C++, on Windows, etc...
10:14:14Bagderfile.h is in firmware/include
10:14:27Schnueffyeah, but the include path doesnt seem to be set up right
10:14:35Schnueffif i copy it in the build directory, it worx
10:14:41LinusNSchnueff: which platform?
10:14:47Bagderthat sounds weird
10:14:48Schnueffx86, debian
10:14:52Bagderit builds fine for many
10:14:57El_Gringo"One day, I'll try to compile rockbox !" => it was an error, sorry, my english is far from be perfect !
10:15:18LinusNSchnueff: did you rerun tools/configure?
10:15:22Schnueffmaybe because of #include "file.h"
10:15:24Schnueffin id3.h ?
10:15:27Schnueffyeah, ran that
10:15:32Schnueffshould that be #include <file.h> ?
10:15:37LinusNno
10:15:41Schnueffhm ok
10:16:02Schnueff(recorder, simulator version)
10:16:11LinusNsimulator...
10:17:35Schnueffhm i'll check with a source tarball
10:17:42LinusNno, no
10:18:04LinusNif ot doesn't work with cvs, it sure won't work with a tarball
10:18:20Bagderthe cvs builds work on the site
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10:18:24Bagderand that is a debian too
10:18:32Schnueffunless i messed something up locally here
10:18:39LinusNand i just did a fresh build on debian too
10:18:57LinusNSchnueff: cvs diff?
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10:20:29Schnueffyeah some change that should not have been there .. sorry for false alarm
10:21:01Schnueffnow, let me check again with the endianness issue
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10:21:31Schnueffyeah that still persists
10:21:50El_Gringogrrr
10:22:02El_Gringonow : lot of errors in mpeg.c
10:22:29Schnueffwrong endianness (LITTLE_ENDIAN not set?) causes failed initialization in dbtree.c (Unsupported Database Version 82) 82 =='R'
10:22:37Schnueff(on simulator)
10:23:05LinusNEl_Gringo: errors?
10:23:57El_Gringolot of errors in mpeg.c , but only in debug mode. maybe because I failed to compile/install gdb
10:24:42LinusNdebug mode is only for SH targets, and only needed if debugging with a serial port
10:24:59El_Gringoho, ok
10:25:19LinusNone day we might develop a gdb stup for coldfire
10:25:21El_Gringonot with the simulator ?
10:25:22LinusNstub
10:25:30LinusNsimulator is simulator
10:25:30BagderEl_Gringo: nope
10:26:06BagderLinusN: did you see amiconn's reportings? the cross-compiled win32 sim builds works like charm now
10:26:13LinusNc00l!
10:26:19Bagderincluding plugins and everything
10:26:22LinusNwow
10:26:25El_Gringogreat, I just build rockbox for the first time !
10:26:39LinusNEl_Gringo: congrats
10:27:12El_GringoAnd my first linux compilation (excluding binutils and gcc, yesterday)
10:27:21El_Gringothanks for your help
10:28:40LinusNyou're welcome
10:28:53Schnueffhm
10:29:20LinusNi wonder what we should do with the ENDIAN problem
10:29:27Schnueffmein stdlib.h defines __LITTLE_ENDIAN instead it seems
10:29:31Schnueffmy :) stdlib.h defines __LITTLE_ENDIAN instead it seems
10:29:38Schnueffand then later on:
10:29:40Schnueff#ifdef __USE_BSD
10:29:43Schnueff# define LITTLE_ENDIAN __LITTLE_ENDIAN
10:29:45Schnueff#endif
10:29:55Schnueffso LITTLE_ENDIAN is not active...
10:30:18LinusNso we could check for both
10:30:25Schnueffyeah probably
10:30:31LinusNtry that
10:30:31Schnuefflemme check
10:30:53*LinusN thinks the compiler should define the ENDIAN macros
10:32:04Bagderwe could make a check and let configure set a define
10:32:29Schnueffbtw, apps/codecs/Tremor/misc.h also uses a third form (#if BYTE_ORDER==LITTLE_ENDIAN)
10:32:40Bagderyeah, we should cleanup the mess
10:38:53Schnueffhm w8 a sec ..
10:39:40Schnueffmy stdlib.h defines all the macros .. but they dont seem to get through to CC dbtree.c
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10:40:17Bagderno, rockbox has its own stdlib.h
10:40:21Schnueffah
10:40:27Bagderfirmware/include/stdlib.h
10:40:52Schnueffso where does endianness come from?
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10:41:00Schnueff(its still a simulator build...)
10:41:38BagderI don't know
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10:42:03BagderI've been arguing to set the define in a central place, at configure time
10:42:21Schnueffis there a way to make CC dbtree.c
10:42:23Schnueffmore verbose?
10:42:30Bagderyes, edit tools/make.inc
10:42:33Bagderremove the @
10:42:37Schnueffk
10:42:57Bagder(we should make it possible to do that without edits)
10:43:29Bagderin linux kernel land it is made with 'make V=1'
10:43:53LinusNBagder: let's do the same
10:44:01*Bagder is on yet another close-requests venture
10:45:40Bagderbtw, we should write a wiki page for general "what about Rockbox for player XXX" questions/suggestions
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10:45:51Bagderincluding hints on how people could proceed
10:46:05Schnueffso, my problem is that gcc should define *_{ENDIAN,ORDER} out of the box but it does only so when including /usr/include/stdlib.h ?
10:46:35LinusNsounds so
10:46:48Schnueffok
10:47:20Bagdergcc doesn't do that
10:47:23Bagderfor me
10:47:28Bagdergcc -E -dM -xc /dev/null
10:47:33SeedBagder: how well is Tremor working, btw?
10:47:49Schnueffbut if your gcc doesnt also do it how does it work at all?
10:47:57BagderSeed: seems to be progressing, even if a little slow still
10:48:06Seedis it not 100% speed yet?
10:48:20BagderSeed: I think it is slightly over 100, but we want more
10:48:23LinusNSchnueff: there are few places where the endianness matters
10:48:31SeedBagder: I really hope libmusepack is easier for you to work with
10:48:37Schnueffah ok, so possibly know noticed yet
10:48:42Schnueffknow one even
10:48:49LinusNnoone
10:48:58BagderSeed: I hope so too, but it is also less prioritized
10:49:01Schnueffno one even! :)
10:49:20SeedBagder: why? :)
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10:50:29BagderSeed: judging from what people seem to prefer to work on...
10:50:42BagderI guess people have more mp3 and ogg files
10:50:48LinusNverbose build support with V=1 committed
10:50:56Bagdergoodie
10:52:09SeedBagder: I'll sponsor good headphones and free MPCs for everyone :D
10:52:17Bagderhehe
10:52:46BagderSeed: get yourself an iRiver and join in ;-)
10:53:04SeedI have one
10:53:08Bagderah
10:53:12Bagderthen go go go
10:53:18SeedIMP-250 ;)
10:53:49Seedas old as myself
10:54:26Seedwill never run anything like RockBox, even though it has the power to
10:54:54Bagdernever say never ;-)
10:55:02Bagdermad people work on this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverIfpPort
10:55:17Seedinteresting
10:55:18LinusNSeed: is musepack fixed or floating point?
10:55:41Seedboth
10:56:41LinusNso you can compile a fixed-point version?
10:56:58Seedyes
10:57:06LinusNnice
10:59:15SeedI only have xscale speed measurements, though
10:59:28Seedwithout any optims, 1000% speed on a 400 MHz one
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11:00:20Seed"Switchable fixed-point and floating-point modes - enable/disable "#define MPC_FIXED_POINT" in mpc_math.h"
11:00:43BagderI think xscale's faster than coldfire
11:01:41Seedyes
11:01:54Seedbut it should still be around 200% on a 120 MHz Coldfire
11:02:07Bagderyeps
11:02:35Bagderhopefully
11:05:22SeedBagder: have you looked at the code in v1.1?
11:05:38Bagdernope
11:08:06Seedgotta move. bbl :)
11:09:11LinusNcu
11:16:18LinusNlunch
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12:36:36El_GringoThere's no documentation for the plugin API ?
12:36:58preglowplugin.h should be good enough
12:37:04Bagderdocs/PLUGIN_API
12:37:23El_Gringoplugin.h don't document all functions
12:37:29El_Gringothanks Badger
12:38:10dwihnoAre there any replacement batteries available for the ihp1x0-models, or do you have to "refurbish" it?
12:38:18preglowthere are batteries available
12:38:43preglowwww.dapstore.com sells one
12:38:53preglowdon't know of anyone that has tried it, though
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12:41:31dwihnoI'm SO getting a ihp-140
12:48:52*LinusN got the data sheets for the H1xx remote control LCD
12:48:58dwihnoWay!
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12:53:35preglowi suspect we'll be stuck in the rut we are right now on that front as well, though, have the code to make it work, but haven't agreed on how to do the api
12:53:38preglowheh
12:54:47preglowLinusN: i saw your thoughts on the framebuffer format in the logs, btw, does that mean markun can pretty much just put it in cvs soon?
12:54:59preglowgrayscale support, that is
12:55:45LinusNi have a few thing to check first
12:55:48LinusNthings
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12:56:11tvelocity[away]how many shades of grey does ihp-1xx actually support?
12:56:20preglow4
12:56:21LinusN4
12:56:32Bagderblack, white and two grey
12:56:35LinusNblack, white and two shades
12:56:38LinusN:-)
12:56:39preglowhaha
12:56:41Bagderhaha
12:56:46tvelocity[away]wow, just enough to play gameboy games ;)
12:56:51LinusNecho, echo, echo...
12:56:54preglowthis is just getting silly, the last six lines are near duplicates
12:57:08LinusN@echo off
12:57:13preglowought to help
12:57:33preglowto top it off, the shades are user-definable!
12:57:42preglowfrom a three bit palette, i think
12:57:57LinusNyeah, they can be grey, grey or grey
12:57:57tvelocity[away]so we actually have 8 shades?
12:58:12LinusNonly 4 simultaneously
12:58:18preglowsix, two of them are white and black, i think
12:58:26preglowmight be mistaken
12:58:31LinusNyou are correct
12:58:41tvelocity[away]4 shades are more than enough
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12:59:03LinusNi'm thinking of committing the grayscale patch, we can always change it later
12:59:15Bagdersounds fair
12:59:19tvelocity[away]do it! i want to play donkey kong land!!!
12:59:21preglowwell, yes, unless it plain doesn't work
12:59:22tvelocity[away]:P
12:59:26LinusNit works
12:59:30preglowthen i say go for it
12:59:57LinusNit slows down the font output though
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13:01:06preglowwhy?
13:01:42Bagderbecause of how it is imlemented
13:01:52LinusNthe fonts are still b&w
13:01:52Bagderthe easy way, rather than the fast way
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13:02:15preglowwell, yes, but can't see why that can't be fixed some day
13:02:22LinusNof course
13:05:14preglowbut i'll go fetch some food and try my hand at imdct_l
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13:33:16tvelocity[away]yeah, i finished translating!
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13:34:13preglowtime to look over everything you've done and look for mistakes, then :P
13:35:47tvelocity[away]should be ok i think:P
13:36:43tvelocity[away]should i submit it as a bug report, or just DCC it to someone?
13:37:34preglowamiconn took care of our translations
13:37:40LinusNsubmit it as a patch
13:42:48tvelocity[away]http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1161324&group_id=44306&atid=439118
13:46:53Rick<LinusN> i'm thinking of committing the grayscale patch, we can always change it later
13:46:56Rickare you referring to markun's?
13:47:14Rickah, nevermind
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13:47:18Rickthe slowdown was already mentioned
13:47:28Rick(it _really_ slows down scrolling in menus)
13:47:51LinusNyes it does
13:48:04Rickthere's also a bug that I made a crappy patch for
13:48:17Rick(plugin exit does not reset fg/bg color)
13:48:24LinusNtvelocity[away]: i said "patch", not "bug report"
13:48:51LinusNRick: saw that
13:48:56tvelocity[away]hm i didnt know there was a diference
13:49:06LinusNa bug is not a patch :-)
13:49:09tvelocity[away]most projects use bug reports for everything
13:49:16LinusNi can fix that, don't worry
13:49:21tvelocity[away]even for feature requests et c
13:49:37tvelocity[away]anyway i'll do it irght next time:P
13:49:42preglowahh, yes, but we don't use bugzilla :P
13:50:54tvelocity[away]i've never used something other than bugzilla till now
13:50:56tvelocity[away]:P
13:51:29LinusNstop bugging us! :-)
13:51:34Rickhehe
13:51:48Rickdoes the remote have grayscale as well?
13:51:52LinusNno
13:51:56Rickthought so
13:52:08dwihnodoesn't really matter
13:52:20Rickdwihno: why not?
13:52:22Bagderwhat's the res (X x Y) of the remote LCD?
13:52:40Rickmy guess, like 48x128 or something
13:52:51Ricker
13:52:53dwihnoRick: I've been running rockbox for ages, and I can't see why grayscale is such a needed feature... I mean, the only thing I see useful for the remote is antialiased fonts :)
13:52:54Rick128x48
13:53:10Rickdwihno: oh, in rockbox itself, no need
13:53:16Rickbut there are plugins that can take advantage of it
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13:56:17preglowit'd be stupid not to take advantage of it when we have grayscale support
13:56:40dwihnotrue, but if the hardware lacks grayscale, it's not such a big loss
13:57:18Rickthe problem now is just speed
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14:18:34soxhoy all, this is the everlasting question I guess, almost in class of "Does God exist..." but, how's the status on sound on iriver? The codecs are doing pretty good now right? mad and flac are well over 100%... I don't want to be added to the list of annoying bugging people, but Im just curious as hell....
14:19:48LinusNwe haven't worked on the sound api yet
14:20:52LinusNif someone magically creates a crack in time, i might be able to work on both rockbox and still have a life
14:21:45soxHey Linus, I sure understand that (I got a kid and two jobs too!) and dont want to bug anyone about, but Im just curious, there must be a reason to why you havent started on the sound api, right?
14:22:04preglowpeople generally seem to have little rockbox time these days
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14:22:18sox(cuz time tend to come out of black holes sometimes when you want something really much)
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14:24:47LinusNsox: my life is a little more complicated that most people's
14:24:52LinusNthan
14:25:14soxI wish I could ask you about it, but you probably wouldn't answer here anyway...?
14:25:29LinusNthe old rockboxers know about it
14:25:50LinusNi have a very sick wife
14:25:54LinusNand two kids
14:26:03soxah
14:26:44soxso rockbox work is like meditation to you?
14:26:46dwihnoA vacation from the project would do you good, Linus.
14:26:51LinusNsox: sort of
14:26:59soxi recognize that
14:27:13LinusNbut that meditation has to take place in the night...
14:28:02LinusNdwihno: sometimes i think a vacation from my life would do me even better :-)
14:28:05soxhow old are your kids?
14:28:12LinusN2 and 5
14:28:45LinusNspeaking of life, i have to go now
14:29:13soxthen i know what you're talking about, cuz night is short when you need to wake up and go to daycare, work, pick up kids again etc etc
14:29:29LinusNindeed
14:29:53LinusNand it's not like rockbox is the only spare time project either :-)
14:30:00soxwell, you're doing a great job with all your tasks anyway Im sure!
14:30:44soxmaybe you should start some weird decipher project instead of rockbox so that gizmo lovers wouldnt bug you everyday for whatnows...
14:30:54LinusNhehe
14:30:54soxonly joking
14:31:42soxbut seriously, good information to the users is always a good way to get rid of painful support-like situations, and rockbox website is great at that
14:31:58LinusNcan always be better
14:32:05LinusNhow old are your kids btw?
14:32:13soxbut to make the "new" iriver users happy a more detailed status page would maybe ease the pressure
14:32:21preglowsox: there is a status page
14:32:30soxi got a daughter age 2,5
14:32:34preglowmore detailed, perhaps
14:32:43LinusNsox, that's a really fun age
14:33:15soxpreglow: exactly, like, codec status, why the api work hasnt started, time estimations, that kind of stuff that would keep them/us away from you and your vauable dev time
14:33:34LinusNtime estimations is a no-no, if you ask me
14:33:39soxLinusN: it is! she's wonderful.
14:33:43preglowof course, we have no ideas
14:34:01LinusNi have to run, take care all
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14:34:43soxI understand that time est are hard, but since that's what everyone are after, some lies might be a good decoy ;-)
14:35:09preglowhaha, no, i don't think so
14:35:12preglow'cause we really have no idea
14:35:29soxthen let's guess!
14:35:43soxiriver sound: 1,5 year
14:35:49preglowbut i really don't want to put up an estimate i don't think we can make
14:35:50sox;P
14:36:10soxpreglow: you are right of course
14:36:56soxand that's why small DIY projects like these are fun I guess, cuz they're different from regular life with things going as planned all the time
14:37:08sox(small was wrong word!)
14:37:20preglowwell, kind of, i sure enjoy doing stuff with no eta's
14:37:53preglowbut i haven't got much time to spare today, so i'll go back to coding
14:39:42soxdo that, good luck
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16:19:31*HCl stares at the sound driver a bit, pondered a hack to make it work temporarily a bit..
16:20:40HClbut it doesn't seem very adaptable to a buffer that can reempty..
16:20:50*HCl will analyze more later.
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16:27:12rasherDo what I want you to, not what I tell you to!
16:28:28preglowperl..
16:29:40rasherI refuse
16:32:17rasherit's working, actually
16:32:25rasherI'm just prodding it to make the output nicer
16:36:12rasherrasher/langstatus.txt">http://zork.net/~rasher/langstatus.txt
16:36:49preglowlooks good
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16:37:10preglowso, what does it do? uplang all the lang files and count number of nen deprecated new:'s ?
16:37:15preglownen=non
16:37:38rasherYup
16:37:39Bagder_sort it on the numbers instead
16:37:42Bagder_make a toplist!
16:37:54preglow\o/
16:38:17rasherAnd non voice-strings
16:38:41rasherHrm.. sorting would require a major reworking.. and possibly perl
16:38:44rasher:-\
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16:38:49Bagder_| sort ?
16:38:59tvelocity[away]just do it in bash:P
16:39:02rashergood point
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17:11:16rasherrasher/langstatus.txt">http://zork.net/~rasher/langstatus.txt
17:12:12preglowlooks good
17:12:42rasherof course, now the language names are sorted by length :)
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17:22:29Lynx_awyhow many stings are there in rockbox?
17:22:52preglowstrings?
17:24:32Lynx_awyto translate, words in the interface?
17:24:51preglowi bet rasher can answer that
17:25:20rasheroh.. hang on
17:25:25Lynx_awyjust because i thought 277 was already a lot, and that's just the untranslated ones in afrikaans
17:28:14T0mashm... little c/c++ question...
17:28:24T0masint a = (200 << 16);
17:28:28T0maswhat does it do?
17:29:12rashershifts 200 16 places to the left
17:29:26T0masand... what does that mean?
17:29:36rasher:)
17:29:37preglowit's the same as 200 * (2^(16 - 1)
17:29:37T0mas200 = 11001000
17:30:16T0masok, but that shift thing... isn't that the same as moving 11001000 16 bits to the left?
17:30:21rasherLynx_awy: 378 strings
17:31:08rasherT0mas: yup
17:31:15T0masok tnx
17:34:47T0mashm... is there a way to get the n-th bit of a int/char ?
17:35:33Lynx_awyrasher: i would have guessed like 80
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18:01:24preglowseems i've gotten a mail from the wavpack developer
18:01:29preglowhe's eager to help on porting it
18:02:55rasherExcellent
18:03:00rasheras in optimizing?
18:03:29rasherBecause the port is done isn't it?
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18:04:30rasherMorning
18:04:38rasherif that's what you meant :)
18:04:47Ya`aQobyeah haaa
18:05:15Ya`aQobdoes rockbox support jukebox multimedia 20?
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18:08:55Ya`aQobanyone know how to format fat32 on Win XP?
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18:09:21SirWA2hmm
18:09:25rasherI think XP will only format fat32 less than 32gb or something
18:09:28rasherbut I'm not sure
18:09:33Ya`aQobahhh
18:09:34rasherdon't really use it much
18:09:42SirWA2these are questions you can easely find on the inet..
18:09:45preglowrasher: in optimizing, yes, he says he's got dsp experience as well as ideas of what to optimize
18:09:49Ya`aQobme neither but im trying to setup a new 2.5 for my archos
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18:09:53Ya`aQobit wants fat32
18:10:05rasherpreglow: well that's great news
18:10:06SirWA2Ya`aQob..google it..
18:10:18preglowrasher: deed
18:10:24CassandraThere's a program called SwissKnife which will format it for you.
18:10:33Ya`aQobseems like you guys may have done it though
18:10:58Ya`aQobCassandra tahnk you!
18:11:16CassandraYou're welcome.
18:12:20Ya`aQobdoes rockbox support jukebox multimedia 20?
18:13:43preglowdon't think so
18:13:58SirWA2Ya`aQob look it up on rockbox website
18:14:33Ya`aQobi did, thats why im here
18:14:35preglowdamn, seems like coffee is what's been causing some throat discomforts i've been having over the last half year
18:14:38preglowwhat a damn bummer
18:14:59Ya`aQobmaybe its teh sugar or milk?
18:15:10preglowi don't add anything to it
18:15:33Ya`aQobhow about tea? same thing?
18:15:42preglowno, that's what i've been drinking lately
18:15:46Ya`aQobi drink alot of tea and coffee, without additives
18:15:54Cassandraya: No, I'm afraid it doesn't (support the MM20)
18:15:58Ya`aQobmaybe an acid thing
18:16:02preglowyes, probably
18:16:11preglowi'll just have stop drinking coffe
18:16:11preglowe
18:16:14preglowand i love coffee :/
18:16:18Ya`aQobCassandra thank you, thats asmaed though
18:16:22Ya`aQobme too
18:16:35Ya`aQobwhat coffee brand are you drinking may i ask
18:16:49preglownothing that's known outside of norway
18:17:00Ya`aQobahh, preground espresso?
18:17:07preglowno espresso
18:17:39Ya`aQobtry a very fresh ground coffee, or try a fresh ground lite coffee
18:17:50preglowi will
18:18:12SirWA2i only drink irish coffee
18:18:14Ya`aQobi have pretty good coffee being close to afrika and south america
18:18:22Ya`aQobneverhad irish coffee
18:18:44Ya`aQobalso if you filter, maybe concider a french press
18:18:50SirWA2its coffee & whiskey
18:19:04Ya`aQobhate to see you give up such a wonderful benefit..haa
18:19:07Ya`aQobahh ha
18:19:21preglowi'll probably work it out
18:19:26Ya`aQobyeaah
18:19:37Ya`aQobwell get through this thing man!
18:19:45preglowmight not be it anyway, but sure seems like it
18:19:46Ya`aQobstick with us . . .
18:20:05preglowdon't worry, i won't kill myself until i can't have beer
18:20:14Ya`aQobi think tea has more caffeine anyway
18:20:48preglowcoffee doesn't wake me up much anyway
18:20:55preglowit's more the taste i miss
18:21:03rashermasochist.
18:21:42*rasher hums.. o/~ du skal dansa ompa til du dr o/~
18:22:18preglowhahah
18:23:51rasher:)
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18:46:50ultrapodare you doing firmware to iriver h10?
18:47:13Bagderno
18:47:25Bagderat least no one works on that
18:47:30Bagderfeel free to start!
18:47:34Ya`aQobthanks for the help folks ttyl
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18:47:50preglowhaha
18:47:54preglowgood luck in finding docs
18:48:15Bagder:-)
18:48:25Bagderthey managed to do ipodlinux
18:48:29preglowthey did
18:48:49Bagderbut yes, its hard work
18:49:09preglowi daresay
18:49:35ultrapodi would
18:49:51ultrapodi know a bit programing
18:50:00preglowhas anyone opened a h10 yet?
18:50:36ultrapodi saw you got the h100
18:52:14ultrapodif i add the font i want to font dir will it play it?
18:52:26ultrapodhad anyone tried it?
18:52:33ultrapodshow*
18:52:43preglowit should show it then, yes
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18:54:10ultrapodeven if it right to left language
18:54:12ultrapod?
18:54:31preglowprobably not
18:54:46preglowthat info is not encoded in the fonts anyway
18:54:58ultrapodright
18:55:02ultrapodhmm
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19:36:13Soul_Eaterany c/c++ coders around
19:36:18preglowyes
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19:39:15Soul_Eaterah.
19:39:21Soul_Eaterproblem: http://www.codeguru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=331403
19:40:49preglowwhat is CHAR ?
19:45:55preglowdo you know have strtok works?
19:46:03preglowhow
19:46:25preglowthe second parameter isn't what it searches for, it's what separates the tokens from each other
19:47:11preglowso if i've got "hello5yo5lol", strktok(mystring, "5") returns a pointer to "hello" the first time, a pointer to "yo" the second time, etc
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19:53:23Laurafrom strtok manpage:
19:53:34LauraBUGS: Never use these functions.
19:53:38Laura:)
19:55:51preglownever used strtok myself
19:56:17preglowit's a prime example of a routine it's better to write yourself
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20:46:08preglowwilwheaton: what gives
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20:46:54Strathsorry, goofing around in #gmemu
20:47:30JypWe're a buncha idiots :)
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21:02:29preglowhttp://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/tremor/2005-March/001172.html
21:02:31preglowmight be useful
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21:07:17rashercleaning spyware off my parents' computer...
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21:09:05preglowahhh
21:09:12preglowthat job also befalls me very often
21:09:35rasherI should set up an administrator account that only I have the password for
21:09:41rasherand vnc
21:09:45preglowindeed
21:09:48rasherso when they want to install something, they ask me
21:09:51rasherhrm
21:10:00preglowi put firefox on all the computers i clean, and tell people to use it
21:10:04preglowthat goes a far way
21:10:05rasherI did that!
21:10:13rasherAnd yet, he used explorer :(
21:10:23rasherI specifically told him "use firefox!"'
21:10:32rasherthe last thing I said before leaving the house
21:10:35crwlyou can mangle IE's proxy settings, and set no proxy for windowsupdate.com
21:10:50rasherhuh
21:11:10crwlit goes far away
21:17:18Quelsarukhmm
21:17:26Quelsarukbtw, i have a strange issue in WinXP...
21:17:32Quelsaruki pluged an external drive
21:18:11rashercrwl: I don't see the idea
21:18:38Quelsarukwindoze recognises it, but, doesn't assign it a drive letter... has anyone had this problem before?
21:18:39crwlrasher, why?
21:19:29thegeekQuelsaruk
21:19:34thegeekgo to computer management
21:19:42Quelsaruki'm there
21:19:43thegeekand assign the drive a drive letter
21:19:48Quelsaruki can't
21:19:57Quelsarukthat's the strange thing :/
21:19:57thegeekformat it?
21:20:01thegeekhmm
21:20:01thegeekno
21:20:09thegeekshould be able to assign a drive letter anyway
21:20:10thegeekwierd
21:20:18Quelsaruki hoped i was able to keep the info
21:20:50thegeekyou are in disk management right?
21:20:57rashercrwl: why would I set no proxy for windowsupdate.com?
21:21:02Quelsarukyes, i am there
21:21:04thegeekk
21:21:07thegeekthen I don't know;)
21:21:10crwlrasher, so that you can still access windows update
21:21:20crwlrasher, if the proxy settings are mangled so that you can't connect anywhere
21:21:38Quelsarukthegeek: windows see the drive, tells me it has a ntfs format and that the drive is "ok"... but no letter :/
21:21:44thegeekyeah
21:21:46thegeeklinux ;)
21:22:06thegeekjust copy what you need and reformat it and copy back
21:22:58Quelsarukhehehe
21:23:08rashercrwl: ah, now I get it :)
21:23:39Quelsarukbut, does linux read ntfs ok right now? last time i tried to do that, ntfs support was in development
21:24:00thegeekit reads ok
21:24:07thegeekwrites are not perfect yet, atleast I think so
21:24:15thegeekI've been more or less afk for the last 9 months
21:24:16Quelsarukoh
21:24:18Quelsarukgreat then
21:24:20thegeekmilitary service
21:24:21Quelsaruk:)
21:24:54preglowahh
21:25:00preglowthat's one thing i'm planning on avoiding
21:25:39rasherThey didn't want me ^.^
21:26:01preglowthe didn't want me either, initially, and now i'm done with 5 five years of school, so now they'll probably want me
21:26:10thegeekhehe
21:26:39thegeekpreglow : in case you actually have to go, apply for garden, that way you won't have as much time out in the field
21:26:58preglowoh, i won't go, hell no, i have no desire to spend a year in the military now
21:27:17thegeekif there is one thing I really hate it is sleeping in a tiny tent, with no lights, 10 other people around you, and having to get up and stand guard
21:27:19preglowi even bloody applied to do it before i moved up here, but nooo, they had to be difficult
21:27:22thegeekhahaha
21:27:25thegeekyou applied?
21:27:27thegeekyou crazy fuck
21:27:33crwlbah
21:27:38preglowwell, they said they wanted me around winter times
21:27:58crwlis there conscription in norway?
21:28:00preglowand i was not about to do nothing for half a year just for that
21:28:20preglowcrwl: yes
21:28:24crwlpreglow, sucks.
21:28:29thegeekindeed
21:28:29thegeekhehe
21:28:30preglowcrwl: indeed
21:28:33crwlindeed
21:28:41crwl(sucks in finland too, of course)
21:28:42thegeekbut I got out after just 8~ months, instead of 12
21:29:01thegeekbecause of economy
21:29:06thegeekhehe
21:29:13thegeekit rocks;)
21:29:17rasherI was dumped because I have asthma :)
21:29:18preglowhell yes
21:29:20thegeekalmost as much as rockbox,)
21:29:40preglowif they call for me again, i'll invent something
21:29:44thegeekhehe
21:30:00preglowpoor eyesight, missing legs, lacking brain, whatever
21:30:33crwli'm doing my civilian service here in finland, 103/395 mornings remaining
21:30:36thegeekvondt i viljen;)
21:30:52Quelsaruki don't have to do anything
21:31:23Quelsarukobligatory military service has been canceled in Spain...
21:31:23Quelsaruk:P
21:31:32crwlso you're from a civilized country then :P
21:31:38Quelsaruknot really
21:31:52Quelsarukbut we try to make other countries think that ;)
21:32:32preglowspaniards civilized, that was a good one
21:32:38crwl:)
21:33:13preglowthe ones around here are too busy waking me with screaming around 05:00 too have time to give me that impression
21:33:26Quelsarukhehe
21:33:27preglowthegeek: if you're still planning on moving here, you'll find out soon enough
21:34:00Quelsarukpreglow: i told you... erasmus students.. doesn't matter if they are spanish or greek... even swedish
21:34:10preglowQuelsaruk: i know...
21:34:19preglowwell, the only swede i know is pretty quiet
21:34:22preglowthe italians or not
21:34:22Quelsaruk:)
21:34:28pregloware
21:34:53Quelsarukok, i admit... latin countries are the worst... the craziest in the world
21:34:59Quelsarukso, we are the best ;)
21:36:05preglowhaha
21:36:11preglowthere is a distint contrast to norway, yes
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21:38:49thegeekhehee preglow:)
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21:39:11thegeekthat won't be a problem, I'm usually still awake at 0500 ;)
21:39:12thegeekhehehe
21:39:16preglowhaha
21:39:22preglowoh, they don't mind about the 'usually'
21:39:29thegeekhumhum
21:39:47preglowi had to get up early for once the other day, then they showed up around 05:00 and threw snowballs at windows
21:40:58thegeekhahahaha
21:41:03thegeeksounds fun:)
21:41:13Quelsarukpreglow: come on! you have a nice Wakeup alarm...
21:41:36preglowsure, would be great if i actually would ever need to get up at 05:00
21:41:42preglowif that ever becomes the case, i'll kill myself anyway
21:41:49Quelsarukalways complaining...
21:42:04Quelsarukthat's why you are not as cool as Spanish ;)
21:42:05preglowwith a rusty potato peeler
21:42:19preglowhaha
21:42:23preglowi also prefer to wake up to music
21:42:27preglowand these spaniards were not singing
21:43:59Quelsarukyou have to learn this phrase "Que os jodan maricones! Callaros de una puta vez"
21:44:05Quelsaruki don't want to translate
21:44:16Quelsarukbut they will surely shut up
21:44:18Quelsaruk:)
21:45:05CoCoLUSnot nice, that is :)
21:45:09rasherSpyware is gone! (I think)
21:45:23rasherkill me now
21:45:48QuelsarukCoCoLUS: of course not, but... if someone here in Spain wakes you up at 5:00 am, you tell them that, and much more
21:45:54Quelsarukthey will understand
21:45:55Quelsarukfor sure
21:46:29CoCoLUSor the hit you to a bloody mess, depends on the type, i think :)
21:47:56preglowhahah
21:48:16preglowi do recognize the key words
21:48:43Quelsarukhmm Erasmus... i know them quite well... they won't hit you... probably...
21:48:59preglowoh, i live in the third floor
21:49:03Quelsarukyou can always deport them here
21:49:07preglowhaha
21:50:17CoCoLUSthe best mandatory military service is certainly the austrian one :)
21:50:51CoCoLUSyou either get to the borders, then you are, well, just -fucked-, 8 months, or you get some office job where you have to work like 2 hours and then - free time
21:51:00CoCoLUSwatching movies, reading books, etc
21:51:05Quelsarukbtw, does anyone here speak fluent spanish? or at least understand it perfectly?
21:51:55CoCoLUSbabelfish doesn't.
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21:55:02Quelsarukdamn..
21:55:06Quelsarukwhat a pity
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21:55:24Quelsaruki wanted to show you a really funny thing, but it's in spanish
21:57:04CoCoLUStranslate it :)
21:57:10Quelsarukhehe
21:57:23Quelsarukit's a short Flash movie
21:57:28Quelsaruki can't translate
21:58:19CoCoLUSgotta go anyway, bye
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22:00:21Quelsarukcu!
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22:01:37Soul_Eaterpreglow- read is CHAR. and if I shouldnt use strtok, what should I use?
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22:07:43Tang:)
22:07:51TangHi Rockbox and all fans
22:07:54Tang:)
22:08:03Quelsarukhi Tang
22:08:14TangHi Quelsaruk
22:08:15Tang:)
22:08:23Quelsaruk:)
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22:08:37TangSo what abot the MPC licensing deal?
22:08:50Tang(if not confidential of course)
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22:19:55rasherI think it turned out that it was in fact BSD licensed already
22:20:07rasher"new" bsd, that is - which is perfectly fine
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22:30:07Bagderyeps
22:30:29Bagderand Seed is a musepack devel
22:35:18Seedyes
22:36:26TangSorry i was away
22:36:43Tangokay
22:36:47Tangso it's cool
22:36:55preglowthere never was a problem
22:37:09Tangthere is no licensing impeachment for rockbox supporting mpc?
22:37:14preglowno
22:38:37Tang:)
22:38:39TangVery cool news
22:38:41Tang:)
22:39:01TangMay i ask something else?
22:40:05***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
22:40:26preglowjust ask, man
22:40:37preglowi don't have anything better to do right now
22:40:37preglowheh
22:41:03TangThanks
22:41:10Tangi read (with happiness)
22:41:14Tangat HA
22:41:21Tangthat the wavpack author
22:41:29Tangis collaborating with you
22:41:45Tanghowever i ignore his wikiname
22:41:51preglowyes, he mailed me
22:42:04TangVery cool too
22:42:06Tang:)
22:42:28Tang(he buoght an iHP too if i understood wel)
22:43:31preglowyup
22:44:37TangIs him ChristianGemini?
22:44:53Tang(who work on wvpck at codec section)?
22:44:57preglowno
22:45:09preglowi can't check right now, i'm in the middle of a linux upgrade
22:45:38rasherhow is that stopping you? (just curious)
22:45:55preglowyou try starting thunderbird when the system isn't fully upgraded
22:45:59preglowi tried, and it looks funny
22:46:52rasherinteresting
22:46:55*rasher hugs mutt
22:47:41TangAh okay i mistook
22:48:04preglowahh, i've got mutt
22:48:21preglowdavid bryant
22:49:51Rickpreglow: links ;)
22:50:11preglowyes, i know
22:50:37*Rick grins
22:53:19rasherguess this concludes this successful evening
22:53:25rasherlater
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22:57:49TangThnks preglow
22:58:09Tangsorry i do'nt know how i did for not notice his wikiname
22:58:11Seedanyone have experience with an ARM7 here?
22:58:32kergothwith regard to..?
22:59:19Seedthis guy seems to be confused between 2 codecs and I am not sure what he wants:
22:59:22Seedhttp://www.musepack.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=177
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23:02:27Bagder45 mhz is not a lot
23:02:42preglowindeed, no
23:02:44Seedyes, but I'm not sure he knows libmusepack is for decoding .mpc files
23:02:51Seedhis post confuses me
23:03:46Bagderto me it looks like he wants *a* decoder
23:03:51preglowi wonder how the instruction timing is for smlal and those guys
23:04:45SeedBagder: possibly, probably.. to have sound demoed at this party he's going to
23:04:59Bagderyes, that's how I interpret it
23:05:26SeedI know my 68040 at 40 MHz can decode MPCs.. but then again, my Amiga had 114 MB of RAM and it's not limited to the FPU-less mode of the Dreamcast
23:08:56preglowmpc isn't particularily cpu intensive, is it?
23:09:08preglowit's just a subband coder
23:11:42Seedyes
23:12:55Seedbut it's hard for me to speculate regarding a machine I'm not familiar with.. on a PocketPC (ARM) @ 400 Mhz, libmusepack offers 10x realtime playback. That does not say 40 MHz is enough for proper playback. There are many other variables in this equation
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23:19:59HClhelloooo
23:20:00HClo.o
23:20:34SeedHi HCl
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23:30:13rasheranyone know what's new in iRiver's new firmware?
23:30:27preglowsome recording stuff
23:30:37amiconnThe version number? ;)
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23:34:13rasherrecording stuff it is
23:34:47*rasher promptly loses interest
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23:41:03preglow
23:41:16preglowwhat does those look like?
23:41:38Bagderlike you don't use utf8 ;-)
23:41:57preglowahh, that's what i wanted to know
23:42:30preglowjust upgraded my ubuntu, gnome 2.10 feels pretty smooth
23:42:39preglowdefault locale should be utf8, though
23:42:56rasherMaybe you changed it?
23:43:08rasherI'm pretty sure the default is
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23:44:49amiconnwsfgl
23:44:53rashergood job
23:45:09rasherBut yes, gnome 2.10 is fairly nice
23:45:23rasherI keep coming back to Debian though
23:46:06preglowxmms refuses to start :/
23:46:26rasherstop using it
23:46:27rasher:)
23:46:40preglowyou got a better alternative?
23:46:44preglow'cause i'd switch in a jiffy
23:46:50preglowi hate xmms
23:46:52rasherdepends on what you want really
23:46:56rashermpd is neato
23:46:59rasheronce you get into it
23:47:04preglowi want something as foobar2000-ish as possible
23:47:12*Domonoky made a little game for Rockbox on iriver .. its not ready... but have a look :-) www.people.freenet.de/Domonoky/rocktron.rock
23:47:14preglowmpd?
23:47:26rasherIt's a client-server thing
23:47:35rasherserver runs as a daemon, and clients attach to control it
23:47:45RickDomonoky: source please ;-)
23:47:54preglowthat sounds so incredibly unecessary
23:48:02rasherI know
23:48:34rasherbut it works really well.. and well.. I like it
23:48:35Domonokyi should clean up the sources,befor showing it someone.. :-)
23:49:01rasherdomonoky: you are now in violation of the GPL, go directly to jail, do not collect $100
23:49:02rasher:)
23:49:17Domonoky:-)
23:50:39rasher what is the game?
23:50:55preglowrasher: but ok, is it a major bother to set up?
23:50:59Domonokya Tron like game... you know tron ?
23:51:13rasherpreglow: in ubuntu - apt-get install mpd gmpc
23:51:18Domonokylike worms, but you have to kill the other worms..
23:51:38rasherI know tron, but that line confused me
23:52:05rasherpreglow: but it may be to simple if you're looking for a "real" media player
23:52:14rasherbut.. choices never hurt
23:52:23Domonokyif we have the remote working.. we make 2-player games :-)
23:52:33preglowi don't give a shit, i want to play music, and i don't want an overly fancy ui
23:52:46rashergmpc is very clean, you may like it
23:53:05rasherand there other clients available, though not a lot in debian/ubuntu
23:53:49Rickrasher: how is he in violation of GPL?
23:54:19Domonokymodifing without releasing the source but the binary..
23:54:23Rick?
23:54:26Rickyou didn't start from scratch?
23:54:52rasherHe's hooking into Rockbox anyway
23:54:57Domonokyit uses Rockbox..
23:54:59Rickit's the equivilent of a plugin
23:55:01Rickno?
23:55:09rasherplugins get contaminated
23:55:35rasherI uh.. think
23:55:42RickI think it depends on how the plugin is built
23:55:43RickI mean
23:55:49Rickyou even are provided pointers to the rockbox functions
23:56:02Rickwhich is plugin-esq
23:57:04RickI would understand it being GPL if you were including the actual rockbox code
23:57:12Ricknot just headers
23:58:18rasheroh well
23:58:49preglowwell, it's up, i can't bloody select any songs

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